Is AOC Running for Congress in Wisconsin? (Hour 3)

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Is AOC Running for Congress in Wisconsin? (Hour 3)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Thu Nov 20, 2025

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Across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Gritlow, powered by Up North News.

Now, from our Lake Basota studio, here's the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Gritlow.

Pat Krightlow (Host)

Well, hey there Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6.

It is a Thursday morning November 20th 2025 another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake Wissota from wherever you're spending your mornings listening to us across the civic media radio network or watching on social media podcast however you got here.

Nice to have you here with one week to go until Thanksgiving and that leads to my question for you today.

Have you always had

a smooth Thanksgiving?

Have they all gone just according to plan or have things gone awry?

Maybe a little off the rails, maybe a full blown disaster.

Today is the day where we get that, you know, we relive

the worst so that we can have our best next week.

We want any Thanksgiving disaster stories that you want to share.

They don't have to be full-on disasters.

Just, you know, funny things that go wrong.

Maybe some are funny.

Maybe some are not.

But we'd love to hear about them at 855-75 Civic, 855-752-4842.

So we are inviting storytellers.

today to tell us a little story about a Thanksgiving that went that went a little sideways.

You know what, if you've got a heartwarming story to we'll take it, you know, the kind of thing you see in like those coffee commercials, you know, at this time of year, all those other feel good things, but we're really looking for, you know, somebody sticking a turkey in the oven when it was still frozen.

you know, maybe, maybe the political discussions got a little out of hand one year and the mashed potatoes were flying.

Um, maybe somebody brought a new boyfriend or a girlfriend and that went over not as well as maybe they had planned.

Maybe it's a fight over sports and sports on the TV or what channel to watch on the TV or

You have to have it out with that person who insists that by a little after sunset on Thanksgiving, it's all got to get put away and the Christmas decorations have to go up.

We'd love to hear all about that at 855-75 Civic.

Alicia writes, uh, never.

Thanksgiving has never gone according to plan.

We also have from Alicia one year.

My ex wanted to make homemade cranberry sauce.

He forgot to put the top on the blender.

Hot cranberries all over the kitchen.

There we go.

That's what we're talking about right there.

Alicia, thank you very much.

Parker Olson is producing things down in Madison studio.

A2.

He's already got a smile on his face.

All thanks to Alicia.

How you doing?

I'm doing

Parker Olson (Producer)

really good now.

Yeah,

Pat Krightlow (Host)

aren't you though?

I

Parker Olson (Producer)

really I really hope that you guys are sending in a ton of these because frankly, I don't think I have a like horror story from Thanksgiving, but I Would love to learn from yours.

So I know what not to do

Pat Krightlow (Host)

But that's just it.

Yeah, I mean these things they're never planned the things that just happened and I realized I don't really have a horror story to share You know, we've we've the worst that we've done is the one year we

Everybody worked so hard, my sisters, my two sisters worked so hard, my mom and then getting everything all ready.

And then it was a great meal and we're cleaning things up.

And at one point, somebody opens up the microwave to warm up something.

And there's the big bowl of corn.

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Yeah.

Pat Krightlow (Host)

So somebody gone through the trouble to warm it all up.

And there was nobody noticed at the time like, Hey, how come there's no corn here?

And here's a big, so we were joking about it the rest of the night, like, who would like some corn?

We'd love to have that.

So that's definitely happened in the Olsen house.

Oh, it has, okay.

Parker Olson (Producer)

The only thing that I can really remember, and it's not a horror story, it's just like a weird thing.

Every time at my house that we host something, apparently like one fork or one spoon

Pat Krightlow (Host)

will disappear.

Oh, that's, yeah, that's easier where people go, wait a minute, which one?

The other thing, and again, this is a minor thing, it's not a disaster, but it's just a thing, is what's the one thing that starts getting asked as they start with dinner?

Which way is this going?

Which way is this going?

Which way is this going?

Just, have you had this yet?

Clockwise, just clockwise.

Just pick something, clockwise, and go.

Okay.

And that way, when something comes at you from your left, you can be like, uh-uh,

Parker Olson (Producer)

uh-uh, that way.

But is your table long enough and have enough people that you need to have...

two plates of one.

Pat Krightlow (Host)

Yes.

And then you got to figure out where where does this race track and where does that race track begin?

Do the people in the middle know you're going across rather than to your right?

Yeah, it's like square dancing for goodness sakes.

Yeah, it's like choreography.

That's got to be done here.

Alicia says that she's glad to put a smile on some faces here.

Roger puts on Facebook.

Thank God for cool whip.

The year my grandma forgot to add sugar to the pumpkin pie.

There we go.

There.

Very important thing Tony says we've always had smooth Thanksgiving's my wife on the other hand.

Well, that's why we're in Wisconsin and not Ohio.

There you go So we are often running and collecting your Thanksgiving stories at 8 5 5 7 5 civic You can call us you can text us through that number as well You can use the civic media app to call text or leave a little voice note to tell us about you know a particular story that way It's in your own words and your own tone

And of course, we've got the comment sections on YouTube and Facebook.

That would be the up north news, YouTube and Facebook pages and the civic media, YouTube and Facebook pages.

Coming up on the program today, it was apparently the last day, the last working day for the Wisconsin legislature yesterday.

You know, you pay them a full-time salary.

This is supposed to be their full-time job.

And they're just kind of done.

So they must have finished everything, right?

Oh, no, not by a long shot.

And Alicia notes here on YouTube, she says, I listened to the majority of the assembly floor session yesterday when I say there were temper tantrums on the GOP side.

Oh boy.

Oh, yes, there were.

And they're a little, um, they're a little feisty over on the Republican side because they got called out big time for allowing assembly speaker Robin Voss.

to screw over women in Wisconsin again yesterday.

So we will talk about that in just a sec, along with all the other things that did or didn't get done in the legislative session in this calendar year.

They're still coming back for a little bit early next year, but if it's anything like in past years, the Republican leadership will meet as little as possible in January and February

and then send everybody home for the rest of the year.

Now, back in my day when I was in the legislature, yeah, you did at some point take off to go campaign for reelection, but it wasn't until like April, May, June, something like that.

And now it's late February, and they're still getting paid for the whole rest of the year to not legislate.

And there's still things that gotta get done.

But instead, a lot of bills got passed knowing full well they're going to be vetoed by Governor Evers.

But that's what they spent their time doing.

So we'll get into some of that today.

Joseph Pecky will join us as well to discuss all of that.

And we'll also have Sean O'Malley talking about your money and the markets and President Trump claiming that we are living in a new golden age.

Apparently, if you can afford to put, you know, gold all over the Oval Office and gold all, you know, if you can have a golden toilet.

Yeah, it's a golden age for everybody else, not so much.

Before we do all that, temperatures right now around Wisconsin, mostly in the upper 30s and low 40s.

It is the cold spots 34 right now in Annago and in Manitowoc.

The warm spots are 43 degrees all over parts of southern Wisconsin, La Crosse, Madison.

In Wausau it is 37 right now and it's 39 in a whole bunch of places in Wisconsin Rapids and Hayward and Oshkosh here in Chippewa Falls.

We're reporting 39 degrees right now.

Roger puts on Facebook.

I also remember Thanksgiving 1987 Packers at Lyons.

Walter Stanley's punt return to win the game for the Packers.

Guess who won the pool?

My guess would be Roger if he's still remembering the details of a Thanksgiving game with the Lions from 1987 Alicia puts the legislators pay should be prorated for when they only work two months out of the year Couldn't agree more Alicia

could not agree more.

Sherita Booker, by the way, also coming up in just under 10 minutes to tell us about some of this weekend's events.

She's our social media manager here at Up North News and, you know, it's that time for holiday craft fairs and other family activities and things like that.

But the main thing that I want to get into here, and you're going to hear about this a few times this morning.

the stunt that assembly speaker Robin Voss pulled so that Wisconsin remains one of only two states along with Arkansas that has not extended Medicaid coverage to cover new moms postpartum for 12 months after delivery right now there's two months worth of coverage but thanks to the Obama and Biden administrations the funding is there

To extend Medicaid, known as Badger Care here in Wisconsin, extend Medicaid coverage for 12 months postpartum.

Because there are a lot of health issues that affect women, not just during pregnancy, but in the months after pregnancy.

Women are still, they can face life-threatening conditions.

There can be all kinds of complications, heart conditions.

There's clotting.

The big one is postpartum depression.

There are dozens of women in Wisconsin.

uh, over like a three year period here who have had serious health issues and some have died and didn't have health insurance coverage because the Medicaid coverage ran out after two months.

So the funding is there to extend it to 12 months and 48 states have done that.

And here's the thing.

Last year, the bill passed the Senate 32 to one.

It came to the Assembly and Robin Voss would not put it up for a vote.

Even though a majority of the Assembly is a co-sponsor of the bill.

This year, the Senate back in April passed it again, 32 to 1.

This thing has around 30 Assembly Republican co-sponsors.

All told, more than 3 fourths of the 99-member Assembly are sponsors.

of a bill that would expand Medicaid for new moms beyond the 60 days.

The proposal was introduced by State Senator Jesse James from here in the Chippewa Valley and Patrick Snyder from the Wausau area and yet there it is just languishing because Speaker Vos didn't want to bring it up.

So

Assembly Democratic leader Greta Neubauer decided to do the legislative equivalent of a discharge petition, as you've heard about with the Epstein files in Congress.

Get a petition, get more than half the members to sign it, and it forces a vote to pull the bill out of the committee where that bill has been languishing all this time.

Well, the Assembly clerk, who is apparently not supposed to notify anybody when this kind of stuff is happening,

went and told the speaker, Hey, Democrats are going to circulate a petition.

And, you know, if enough Republican signed on, it was going to force a vote.

What did Robin Vos do?

Did he say, you know what?

This is the will of my members.

This is the will of my caucus.

Let's make sure that new moms are healthy.

No, he pulled a little legislative trick and pulled the bill out of one committee himself and put it in a different committee.

And according to the rules, now it's got to stay in that committee for at least three weeks.

And they're done for the year.

So it's not coming up anymore.

So to Representative Pat Snyder of Weston, who's a cosponsor, there's Representative Jesse Rodriguez of Oak Creek, who's a cosponsor who did not stand up and demand a vote from their speaker.

The shame goes to them.

We're sharing the blame.

It's not just Robin Voss.

It's all of the Republicans that's cosponsors because let me put this to you very, very simply as a former Democratic state legislator.

If a Democratic speaker

We're keeping a bill that keeps new moms healthy.

If that one guy were preventing a vote, there would be a revolt, the likes of which you've never seen.

But Republicans, they just fall in line.

We'll have more about this throughout the morning, but first we'll pause here and then Sharita Booker is going to tell us all about some weekend events that you can attend.

From the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Basota.

Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat (host)

On this Thursday morning, we are back with Sharita Booker.

She's the social media manager here at Up North News, so she puts up most of the posts that you see on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all those things, and also tracks a lot of our weekend events to talk about, not just on social media, but right here on the radio.

Sharita Booker, hello, how are you?

Hey Pat, I'm doing good.

How are you?

I'm good.

So we've really made the transition now haven't we?

We talked about county fairs and all the summer festivals and then we had the harvest festivals and we are chugging right into the holiday season with these ones aren't we?

Are we sure are?

Yeah, we've got all kinds of civic events and a little craft shows and things like that.

And so why don't we get started over in La Crosse for Holiday Fair and more that's getting started this afternoon yet.

So tell us about that.

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

Yep.

So if you're looking for a holiday shopping experience that's not the usual mall or just online shopping or you just want to support local, the annual Holiday Fair returns to the Cross Center this week.

running today through Sunday.

It's a long-standing local tradition held since 1964 and transforms the South Hall into a winter-themed marketplace with lots of vendor booths featuring local makers, artisans, holiday gifts, and home decor.

There will also be holiday music playing and activities for all ages.

Doors open up at noon later today as well as on Friday, 9 a.m.

on Saturday, and 10 a.m.

on Sunday.

Santa will be available for photos each day with poster hours throughout

the weekend and hourly door prizes are handed out from open to closed.

You can also catch surprise appearances from Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer throughout the day and tickets are available at the door only and they're $5 for adults and kids 12 and under get in free with an adult.

For more information visit lacrossecenter.com

Pat (host)

And that is just a great excuse to be in downtown La Crosse on on a weekend where there are so many things to see so many restaurants and bars and shops and you name it.

So I mean, don't just plan to come down to the holiday fair plan to make a day of it and hit some of your other favorite places downtown while you are there.

Let's head over to Lake Geneva now where I know some folks are already itching to start thinking about ice fishing.

We're not there yet.

There's still ways that you can float your boat.

And that's certainly the case with what the Lake Geneva cruise line is planning.

Tell us more.

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

Yeah, they're bringing back their Santa Cruz out of Winter Harbor in Williams Bay this Friday and Saturday, and it all starts at the Christmas Tree Festival where kids can drop off letters to Santa, take family photo ops, enter a holiday raffle that benefits the local charity, and parents can also grab a seasonal drink from Santa's bar.

And from there, you'll board a heated vintage boat fully decked off for the season for one hour cruise along the shoreline.

All kids will get a small treat with their boarding pass, and you can expect holiday lights, carols, and a stop at Santa's Lakeside Hideaway where he'll read children's

name straight from the nice list.

And if you want something just for the adults, they're also offering a 21 and older karaoke cruise that's Saturday night at 820.

So you can grab a drink at Santa's bar before boarding and enjoying an hour of holiday themed karaoke on the lake.

And the Santa Cruz runs at Lake Geneva cruise lines, Winter Harbor with free parking and a shuttle from Williams Bay High School on select days.

Ticket started at $32.

And for more information, visit cruiselakejeneva.com.

Pat (host)

A karaoke cruise?

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

Yeah, that sounds amazing.

Pat (host)

Yes, especially if as you described, you know, there's something there at Santa's bar and it for the kids.

I like that.

You just kind of tuck that in there.

You're going to see Santa at his lakeside hideaway as he reads names from the nice list, which I'm sure will have nothing to do with the boarding passes.

But anyway, he's

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

got a

Pat (host)

lakeside hideaway.

This just raises many more questions, but we'll take care of that later on.

Let's end things at the Wisconsin State Fair Park and the

Holiday Folk Fair International there.

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

Yep, and this is its 82nd year returning to the State Fair Park, and it'll run Friday through Sunday.

It's one of the country's largest multicultural festivals, bringing together global traditions through food, music, dance, and art, and also highlights the cultural heritage of southeastern Wisconsin.

This year's theme is Celebrate the Culture of Traditional Music, which focuses on how traditional music reflects and preserves cultural identity.

So visitors can move between more than 20 cultural food booths inside the World Cafe, including Afghani, Burmese, Ethiopian, and for the first

time South Korean cuisine.

Throughout the weekend, the All Nations Theatre hosts performances from more than two dozen cultural groups with additional invited performers from Poland, Utah, and Japan.

The fair also features the Artisan Corner, a bonsai exhibit, hands-on Native American demonstrations from Dirty Kettle and Milwaukee area woodturners, cultural murals created by Milwaukee public school students, and a full children's area.

Senior day activities run November 22nd and 23rd and a youth chess tournament takes place on Saturday.

Tickets are $13 in advance or $16 at the gate and kids under 7 and all military personnel with ID getting free.

So for more information or tickets visit folkfair.org

Pat (host)

votefair.org.

That's easy enough.

And of course, now next week, we will just be doing a best of show bringing back some of our favorite clips of the past few weeks.

And so we won't have a show to talk on next Thursday.

So this is our chance to talk a little Thanksgiving.

Do you have the particular Thanksgiving traditions that you guys are getting set for?

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

So we've been well since we've been older me and my sister we've been hosting it at my house or her house So my grandparents don't have to cook anymore, but my sister just moved to my nominee four hours away So now it's just gonna be at my house every year until who knows when but so I'm preparing to make some some dinner I'm just gonna do turkey mac and cheese mashed potatoes sweet potatoes and green bean casserole and I think that's

Pat (host)

it

Why don't you do that in Menominee?

Then I can just shoot down the road and, you know, you can set up an extra plate for me.

I always think about that.

How close you are to her.

I know.

All right.

Well, next time you're coming through, we'll have to discuss how you do a holiday dinner a little closer up here.

So, well, good.

Well, anyway, happy Thanksgiving.

Enjoy the weekend.

Enjoy this coming weekend as well.

Sharita Bookers, our social media manager here at Up North News, and we'll touch base a little later.

Thanks, Sharita.

Thanks, Pat.

All right, and it's a 629 right now, our question of the day at 855-75 Civic.

What's your best Thanksgiving story?

Do you have a kitchen catastrophe, a dining table disaster, some heartwarming surprises?

You can call us, text us, leave us a voice note, get in the comment sections.

On the text line from Jim in Cavalsport, see if you can guess the year because we've already mentioned it once before.

Jim writes, Pat, we were about to finish the table prayer when an explosion of cheers went out.

Walter Stanley had just returned a kick for a touchdown.

So now we have two people who have Thanksgiving stories about that year.

Do you remember the year?

Parker, we talked about it earlier.

Sharita Booker (social media manager)

Thanksgiving

Pat (host)

1987.

Yes.

Anyway, we've got today's history lesson coming up in just a bit here.

Joseph Becky and more along the way.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Cranklow (host)

It's time once again for today's history lesson on mornings with Pat Cranklow.

To all who've come to this happy place, welcome.

Ladies and gentlemen,

the Beatles!

That's one small step for man.

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

Well,

Pat Cranklow (host)

I'm not a

crook.

You

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

believe in miracles?

Pat Cranklow (host)

Yes!

You know, this depression is gonna be so great.

We'll be the ones eating the cats and the dogs.

That's gonna be fun.

Once again, it is time to take another revealing peek back into history.

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

Today's

Pat Cranklow (host)

history lesson is going to begin with the birthday boy Norm Greenbaum, 83 years old today.

President Joe Biden is 83 today as well.

Dick's mother is 86.

Actress Bo Derek is 69 years old today as well.

Let's see what else we got for birthdays.

Jerks Bentley, country singer is 50 years old today.

On this day in 1974, the U.S.

Department of Justice filed an antitrust suit against AT&T, which leads to the breakup of the Bell system, which had a monopoly over telephone service throughout much of the United States.

Just your reminder, we have done this before in this country.

We did it over 100 years ago.

We've now done it over 50 years ago.

We break up monopolies.

that are stifling competition and costing Americans money.

It can be done again.

You know who I'm talking about.

Let's get this going, before big tech just has every mortgage on our house too.

On this day of 60 years ago today, 1965, the number one song was by the Supremes.

If you're thinking, this sounds like baby love, baby.

Yeah.

That was, that was how you made hits back then.

They were very formulaic.

Hey, make a song.

You did the twist.

Let's do the peppermint twist.

Let's do that too.

It wasn't very subtle, but you know what?

It worked.

The formula.

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

That's why

Pat Cranklow (host)

I hear it.

Yep.

I hear a symphony.

It was number one 60 years ago today by the Supremes.

All right.

Let's see on this day in 1962.

The Cuban Missile Crisis came to an end in response to the Soviet Union agreeing to remove its missiles from Cuba.

President Kennedy ended the naval quarantine of the Caribbean island nation.

In a somewhat related note, fears of nuclear war popped up about 20 years later on this day in 1983.

ABC aired a movie called The Day After.

about nuclear war coming to America.

More than 100 million people watched and Parker, I don't know that I could possibly, it's not possible to overestimate just how many, how many people wet their pants watching this thing.

I

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

mean,

Pat Cranklow (host)

it was very...

It's quite realistic.

If I recall, it was set in Topeka, Kansas, I believe, or Lawrence, Kansas.

And you see the missile streaks coming across the sky, because you'd heard a little static on the radio about, you know, tensions were getting high between the US and the Soviet Union.

And yeah, and then you watch people in the aftermath with the fallout and everything else.

And it was a real, it was a real wake-up call to people about the dangers of nuclear war.

I wonder...

I wonder what that would have been like to watch, because now when I see that kind of stuff, I don't really think.

We're so

used to what's called dystopian movies,

you

know?

And this wasn't, I guess you could call this an early dystopian film, but again, it was incredibly unnerving to a lot of people, because we'd heard about the dangers of what happens if these two nations start World War III, and this showed us on a larger scale what could have happened.

So that was again this day in 1983.

More birthdays.

Let's go to Joe Walsh.

He is 78 years old today.

As he continues doing a riff here ahead of Life's Been Good, I will tell you that on this day in 1995.

So 30 years ago today,

Apple records released the Beatles anthology one It was the first of a three-part series of rare recordings and outtakes by the Beatles and again in this internet age We're just used to being able to see everything everywhere all at once not the movie I mean literally everything everywhere all at once including you know all these Beatles clips and things 30 years ago.

This was like, you know opening up a box in the attic of things that you had no idea were around

That was a big deal that you could hear all these outtakes and all these other recordings and Apple Records put that out 30 years ago today.

Let's see, this is the anniversary of the birth of the late musician Dr. John.

It was

his 1973 hit, Right Place Wrong Time.

On this day in 1976,

Of all the things you could write love songs about, I know it caught Parker off guard.

Who knew that rodents could have their own love songs?

Especially

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

the

Pat Cranklow (host)

ones that just kind of swim around out there in marshes and things like that.

But you know who did it on this day in 1976?

The Captain Nintaniel.

By the way, this song peaked at number four back in 1976.

I

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

don't

Pat Cranklow (host)

know how muskrats do the town.

I don't know how they do the jitterbug, which is mentioned in the song as well.

Okay.

Well, can I ask you, because I have never heard this song before.

okay um it's a very lovely song it's just it's

like oh yeah it's about muskrats so

i i look this up in our music library as i do um there are two versions of it

okay

uh one uh says without muskrats the other one says full has playful muskrats are there actual muskrat sounds in this

song

Well, there's an instrumental in the middle where the captain, Daryl Dragon, plays his keyboard.

He's the keyboardist.

You never hear from him.

He never sings.

He just plays usually the piano or some of the keyboards.

Sure.

And in the middle, there's a little, you know, playing with the keyboard with a synthesizer, which is made to sound like muskrats.

But I wasn't aware that there was a version without that.

Apparently.

I don't know.

I was hoping.

You know what?

We're going to fast forward this during the commercial break, and we'll see if maybe I'm missing something.

Maybe there was a version with live muskrats.

I can't imagine how that went slithering all over the piano, but it's possible.

That's what I envisioned was live muskrat sounds in this song.

All right, well, now I've got to investigate.

You've piqued my curiosity.

Here's a little clip from Saturday Night Live this day in 1976.

Remember, the show's relatively new and got one of its first viral moments thanks to Paul Simon.

you know this very serious superstar singer is the guest host and he comes out in a full-on huge turkey costume and tries to sing one of his serious

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

songs.

Pat Cranklow (host)

And then about that time he realizes that he looks ridiculous and says so and I think Lauren Michaels comes out and it was just a nice viral moment that you did not expect.

Paul Simon was good to play along and then of course he hosted many more times.

Let's go way up ahead.

10 years ago today in 2015 Adele released her third studio album 25.

Other singles off 25 included when we were young water under the bridge and of course Hello It's created its own Saturday Night Live viral video about Thanksgiving dinner and how it can soothe even the most quarrelsome family 25 would go on to win the Grammy for album of the year

And one more musical note.

The number one song from this day in 1971 was a little movie music from Isaac Hayes.

Who's the black private dick that's sex machined on chicks?

You're damn right.

Again, we talk about movies that, you know, would not necessarily get made the same way today.

Shaft would qualify as that.

This was the era of black exploitation movies and things, but it was, on the other hand, you had a black actor in a lead role, tough guy role, which was rather groundbreaking for Hollywood at the time.

And Shaft led to this number one hit from this day in 1971.

What do we have on today's national day calendar, Parker Olson?

Oh,

Pat

Critewell,

it is Geography Awareness

Week.

Geography Awareness Week.

I feel like we should have had a little quiz here.

Roger, thanks for putting on Facebook right now.

Can you dig it?

Parker Olson (guest/regular contributor)

Oh

Pat Cranklow (host)

yeah, we can dig it.

Anyway, so Geography Awareness Week.

I'm trying to think of what would be a good... You know one of my favorite geographic quiz things?

You'll see it in various trivia games and things.

Which city is farther north?

and they'll invariably include a Canadian city.

Yeah.

And people don't sometimes take for granted how far south places are, like Toronto, you know, and Windsor and places like that.

Tony puts on YouTube, I love geography.

I have maps everywhere.

Absolutely.

I'm a fan.

Total geography nerd here, map nerd.

He also puts topography maps are beautiful.

There you go.

I've mentioned that Judy Clark, my old co-anchor channel 13 is retiring in just about two weeks here.

And we just used to revel in our geography nerdness.

We were always looking for ways to show maps and talk about various geographic things.

So there you go.

Geography Awareness Week today.

What else we got for today?

It is Payback Your

Parents Day.

Payback your parents day.

This seems like an odd time of year to have that because you're about to incur all the expenses for the holidays and the first of the year.

You know, maybe you're looking for work.

This seems like the kind of thing that should come shortly after April 15th when anybody got their tax refund and go, hey, maybe you could finally pay back your parents for all those things they did, huh?

Or the things they continue to do, like, you know.

get on your own cell phone plan finally, you know?

You're 45 years old.

It's about time.

45.

Oh, God.

Tony puts, I don't believe in this nonsense day.

Pay them back.

I gave them me.

Tony writes about his parents.

I am a gift.

I am a gift from God just for you.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't pay for the groceries.

What else we got?

I'm just priceless.

It is a rural health day.

Oh, well, we have.

Definitely talked about rural health a lot and threats to it.

And of course, the latest shenanigans in the legislature yesterday make it that much tougher for women in rural areas to improve on their health.

So I would hope that we would do a little bit more to focus on the importance of maintaining a strong rural health system.

So yeah, good that we have a day to highlight that.

And anything else?

Is philosophy day, Pat?

Philosophy day.

Philosophy day.

Do you have a philosophy?

Um, you have words that you live by a little credo or anything.

I've got

not that I can think

of the closest I've got is that, you know, our philosophy is there is no five year plan because you get, you get asked that a lot.

Yeah.

Like, oh, where do you see yourself in five years?

And we have been through enough now that you look back and go, we did not see that coming.

You know, it's good to have an idea of what you might like to do.

But to, to actually, so yeah, for us, there's no, there's no five year plan in five years.

Who's going to remember this, that or the other thing.

So I guess it's a little carpe diem thing, you could say as well.

Coming up in our next hour, we'll be talking to Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets.

As the president says, are we living in a new golden age?

I guess only if you have a gold toilet, maybe.

Live from Lake Wissota, I'm Pat Freiklow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crightlow (host)

See Parker, these are the muskrats.

Apparently there's a muskrat free version that skips this instrumental and goes right to the next chorus.

But you'd miss out on the frolicking.

They whirl and they twirl and they tango.

It's singing and jinging a jangle.

Parker (co-host)

It sounds like mice underwater trying to hum

Pat Crightlow (host)

You're trying to drown a bag of mice, you know You've now ruined the captain and to Neil perfectly good love song for me

Parker (co-host)

I'm horribly sorry to ruin the song about much.

Pat Crightlow (host)

No, I don't I don't think you are I don't think you're at all.

Parker (co-host)

I think

Pat Crightlow (host)

I had to do it.

We are collecting your stories of Thanksgiving

You know, the disasters, the heartwarming hugs, the weird surprises, good and bad.

But we really want to hear any particular kitchen disaster stories because we want to help people avoid them next week.

So don't think of it as sharing your embarrassment.

Think of it as sharing your wisdom.

Born of a really bad experience.

So.

Let's see, what have I got here?

I've got, oh, that was Jim and Campbell Sport talking about the kick being returned for a cut touchdown.

We've got the text line here at 855-75CIVIC where you can share that way or on social media.

Entertainment news, where are we starting off today, Parker?

Parker (co-host)

We are starting off in Australia, Pat.

Ah, oy, okay.

Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy.

A beach brand in Australia is in hot water because

Eminem is not a fan of their name because he thinks it's confusing.

Pat Crightlow (host)

He thinks the the company's name what the product or something?

What's the what's it called?

The brand name is swim shady.

Swim shady for beach umbrellas all that.

Mm hmm.

That's perfect.

And then him shady and Eminem not a fan.

Parker (co-host)

Not a fan.

His alter ego of the real Slim Shady is.

Not too thrilled.

So I believe he's trying to go to the pet, uh, the trademarks and say, Hey, you can't do that.

That's confusing.

I think it's just good branding.

Pat Crightlow (host)

I think it is too.

Uh, is, is slim shady trademarked?

It's a, I think that's a fair question.

So there you go.

So maybe before it goes out of business, not that you, you know, need a beach umbrella from Australia, but check out swim shady.

You might find just the thing you need for your next little beach trip.

What else we got going on?

Parker (co-host)

Uh, Pope Leo a little while ago released a video, um, telling his favorite movies and it was an incredibly predictable list.

Pat Crightlow (host)

The

Parker (co-host)

shining.

Yes.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Conclave.

No.

No.

Spotlight.

Hard no.

Da Vinci code.

Da Vinci code.

No.

All right.

What's on the Pope's list of favorite movies?

Parker (co-host)

It's a wonderful life.

Boring.

The sound of music.

Yeah.

Ordinary people.

Okay.

Life is beautiful.

Incredibly.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And this is why we love why we love some of the popes.

They are so gentle.

Some of them were.

Oh, I see.

Parker (co-host)

Yes.

Pat Crightlow (host)

But you know, Francis and Leo, I mean, they just seem like these really nice guys and you ask them their favorite movie.

It's a wonderful life.

That's nice.

But it's not.

I'm not going to invite him over for a movie night.

Let's just put it that way.

That's fair.

Yeah.

All right.

Parker (co-host)

What do you got

Pat Crightlow (host)

else?

What

Parker (co-host)

else here?

Well, I think you would rather take Pope Leo to a baseball game.

Well,

Pat Crightlow (host)

yeah, he loves his socks.

Exactly.

And not the Red Sox, the White Sox, he's a Chicago

Parker (co-host)

native.

You might have a better time going to games now than trying to find him on TV, because now you need a million more things.

Oh, no.

Netflix has just announced.

Or excuse me, MLB has just announced new TV deals and Netflix is now going to get some games.

Yes,

Pat Crightlow (host)

men.

Parker (co-host)

Netflix.

Netflix.

Yes.

Yes.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Are they still doing the Apple TV ones on Friday?

They are still doing

Parker (co-host)

it.

Oh, come on.

NBC will now have Sunday Night Baseball rather than the

Pat Crightlow (host)

ESPN.

OK, now I like that.

Yes.

Sunday Night Baseball.

NBC used to be the home.

for baseball when I was growing up.

NBC had baseball for a million years before there was Monday Night Football.

There was Monday Night Baseball with Joe Gargiola, Tony Kubek, a very young Bob Costas.

Yeah.

So NBC getting back into baseball.

Very interesting.

OK.

But but Netflix

Parker (co-host)

Netflix now.

Yes.

So for those of you keeping record at home, ESPN, NBC slash Peacock Fox.

Netflix, Apple TV, and whatever your local team

Pat Crightlow (host)

is on.

Yeah, for here, it's FanDuel, but others have other networks that they use.

You quite literally have no idea on any given day where your favorite baseball team can be seen playing their

Parker (co-host)

game.

But you know, I can tell you, though, that you can listen to the Brewers on select stations on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Oh, well done.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Wow.

Somebody's sliding a $5 bill under your door there.

Thank you very much.

I'll be here all week.

Yeah.

That's true.

The radio home isn't going anywhere.

TV, that's a whole different matter.

I'm sorry.

The Apple TV one is frustrating enough, but I was already, I already had Apple TV.

I was gonna say, you have it, don't you?

And I have Netflix too, but now it's like, where am I going to watch this?

And if you want to, if you're going out, I've been to, you know, restaurants and bars that don't have these things.

They have a tough enough time right now with Amazon Prime.

for all the times that the Packers have been on like Thursday night football or things like that where you get there and some poor bartender, you know, they're just that they just want to get your beer.

For some bartenders, it's tough enough just to ask for an old fashioned at this point, you're asking them to they may as well rebuild your engine.

Now you're asking them to become NASA engineers and try to find Amazon Prime on the bar TV, much less Netflix or Apple TV.

This is

This is insane.

Why are we asking this of our bartenders?

I don't know or any of us for that matter.

Yeah,

Parker (co-host)

I told you I was at a bar this weekend and instead of football I think because it would have been too hard to find the right channel We were watching die hard

Pat Crightlow (host)

on Saturday afternoon.

Nice.

Tony says, see, this is why I use the internet in kind of a gray area to get all my channels.

I think it's about VPN.

I refuse to pay for all these services and have an impossible time finding where something is.

And I know as well from living in another country for a while that.

You got to find just the right VPN system.

And most of the time, it works wonderfully.

It kind of hides who you are, so it thinks you're in the US and doesn't block your channels.

But when it doesn't work, it's just a huge headache.

Anyway, so happy baseball season, everybody.

Good luck finding those games.

Sean O'Malley will be talking about your money and the markets in the next hour.

And then in our eight o'clock hour, we'll be talking to Joseph Becky about the final action of the Wisconsin Legislature for 2025, a lot that didn't get done.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Hey, good morning.

It is 706.

Nice to have you back here up north on this Thursday morning, November 20th, one week out from Thanksgiving.

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in Studio A2 coming up later this hour.

Sean O'Malley talking about your money and the markets and comments by President Trump that we're now going through a new golden age.

I believe he meant gilded age, but it's pretty golden if you can, you know, be on his income level.

But Sean will tell us about some of the numbers that are finally trickling out thanks to the government shutdown being over that indicate economic health.

They're not great.

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In the newsletter today, Allie has a story, the headline, Discover Nine Winter Festivals That Are Worth Bundling Up For.

So you might have missed some of what Sharita Booker had to say last hour about some big events around Wisconsin this weekend.

And now Ellie's telling us about some nine winter festivals that you should make plans to attend at some point as well.

So take a look at our newsletter and anticipate all of that.

Our question of the day is asking about Thanksgiving disasters.

Frankly, we'll take any Thanksgiving stories, but we're looking for things that might have gone wrong and that way they offer a little bit of, you know, advice and guidance so that other people don't suffer through the same fate.

But before we get the Thanksgiving Parker, we've got to get a Christmas update, specifically Christmas catalog update.

I showed you the first catalogs that had arrived in

Parker Olson

the Cradlebox.

Wasn't

Pat Gritlow

too many but it was a few it wasn't it was only the first two and guess what there's only there's only a couple of more Here's Johnson and Murphy of catalog of boots and shoes.

I've never bought boots and shoes by catalog

And I'm here in Chippewa Falls.

I'm at the home of Mason's shoe.

Well, it kind of used to be.

The shoes used to be made here before they went overseas.

But, you know, that was their whole thing was, you know, shoes by catalog.

And so apparently people are still buying them.

And now the other the other one that we just got was from O&H Danish Bakery.

I think that's in Racine.

And that would be the cringles.

Oh, yeah.

See, now we have done cringles by catalog and we will be doing cringles by catalog.

I can already tell you this particular catalog is going to get a workout with some folks and cringles are great.

I mean.

For me, it's very easy.

If you have your catalog in front of you, just go find anything with cherries and send it to me.

I love a good cherry cringle.

But I mean, it's got sweet stuff.

It's got savory stuff.

All kinds of other flavors and cakes and things.

So yeah, cringles by catalog.

I would take that.

Parker Olson

I will gladly take that.

Any time that anyone is offering me food by catalog, you probably have to be a little careful because I don't know if I trust...

food that people are mailing me about.

However, I would always eat something that shows up.

And for listeners at home, Pat has been kicking around down here, looking for

Pat Gritlow

something.

Under the desk, I realized I still have the Newskies catalog for bacon, again, a good Wisconsin product.

But I also have, I don't know if Harry and David is one where it's a lot of fruit baskets.

Parker Olson

Oh,

Pat Gritlow

okay.

I didn't have it handy, so I thought I had it down there in the garbage can.

I did not.

I

Parker Olson

thought you were keeping these.

I'm throwing them away.

Pat Gritlow

That's where I'm currently keeping them.

Oh, I will eventually pull them out and put them in a pile for for the visual.

So yeah.

So that's that's your your catalog update.

And trust me, many, many more are coming.

Let's say from Joe on YouTube.

Welcome.

Thanks for the comment.

Trader Joe's sells those cringles out West anyway.

And that was a lifesaver for me.

Yeah, I like that.

Anyway, you can get them.

Trader Joe's, that'll work as well.

All right, so getting to your Thanksgiving stories, 855-75 Civic, 855-752-4842.

Here's, this is fresh on the text line from Jim and Brookfield.

A few years ago, my mother-in-law hosted Thanksgiving dinner, not knowing that my brother-in-law would be bringing his new dog.

I'm not familiar with this breed.

Is it a Weinmer

Wine Marner?

Anyway, large dogs bred for hunting.

Large dogs.

Needless to say, the large dog made short order of any food set out and would bark constantly if left outside.

At dinner time, we had to ration the food and eat standing up to avoid sharing our food with the dog.

Lesson to be learned, beware of any dog that joins your Thanksgiving.

Especially if it's on par with Clifford the big red dog, you know,

Parker Olson

oh That's so I'm just envisioning everyone because Thanksgiving you don't get small plates on Thanksgiving you use a big plate because you got a lot of food that you want

Pat Gritlow

On top of this, not to throw Jim's brother-in-law into the bus here, but apparently his mom, you know, Jim's mother-in-law, did not know that her son would be bringing this big old dog to Thanksgiving dinner.

Don't do that.

Don't do that to your family or friends or whatever.

And by the way, if you're a pet owner and you're having people over for Thanksgiving, please do not assume that your guests have the same

Tolerance for an animal as you people might have you know cat allergies or they may not like the fact that A pet like a cat is sitting right on the table Right on the tail has happened to us one year being it at somebody's place And I'm just looking going this cat is sitting right on the table

I

Parker Olson

don't like that.

It's just pawing the mashed potatoes,

Pat Gritlow

you know, fur and whatever else everywhere.

And so, you know, not saying you got to kennel everybody, but maybe think about it.

Parker Olson

I don't know.

My dog is a pain in the neck on Thanksgiving.

I'm not exactly thrilled about that.

Pat Gritlow

Tony says, you bring a pet that's your responsibility.

Why wasn't the brother-in-law holding the dog by a leash away from the people while they ate?

Yeah.

Well, that's the whole thing.

You got to control your kids.

Control your pets.

Control your monkeys.

Keep them.

Some monkeys

Parker Olson

are hard to control, Pat.

Pat Gritlow

Don't just let them loose and go, well, I just brought this bag of squirrels.

I thought I would open up for everybody and enjoy Thanksgiving.

So no, they're still, even in this day and age, they're still something called etiquette.

Okay, there's still little rules of the road that we follow and I know etiquette is a dying thing said the old man Like for example getting off topic baseball etiquette.

Announcer

All right

Pat Gritlow

Don't go up and down the aisle and make people stand up in the middle like between pitches Do it between batters, you know, it's like there's two strikes

Parker Olson

on

Announcer

a

Pat Gritlow

batter

Parker Olson

and

Pat Gritlow

somebody somebody's like, oh, I got two beers.

I got to squeeze right by here No, no, you wait up there until the play is over

Parker Olson

You mean getting to your seats,

Pat Gritlow

like

Parker Olson

go through a row.

You said aisle.

I was like, you can go up the stairs during an

Pat Gritlow

ending.

Okay.

Yeah.

If you keep your head down and don't be blocking the play, I mean, just wait till in between plays.

Anyway, there was my thing on etiquette.

There's still etiquette at Thanksgiving time as well.

That's all I'm saying.

If you want a little bit of harmony, just just just

Parker Olson

behave yourself.

That's that's what we're missing in the world is the harmony is being disrupted by the lack of etiquette.

Is that all?

It's a thing.

Yeah, it would help.

It's most definitely a

Pat Gritlow

thing if people would, you know, and again, etiquette is sometimes the little things like everybody passing their food in the same direction or, you know, if you're supposed to bring something, don't bring a bag of M&Ms, okay?

Go through a little bit of effort.

It's not that hard.

We used to joke when we were a young couple and couldn't do much.

We used to joke that we were bringing a seven layer salad.

and it was seven layers of M&Ms.

We just want to put a bunch of M&Ms in a bowl.

We never did that, but that was always the joke.

We would always find a way to do a little bit of something.

Find one thing to make.

You don't like to cook, that's fine.

Find one thing that you could do.

You know what it was for me?

I saw this recipe, I saw how easy it was, and it was a big hit every time.

Stuffed mushrooms.

Just take some mushrooms, wash them, pull the stem out, and then you take a little bit of deviled ham.

chop up some of the mushroom stems, a little bit of garlic salt, put all that together, put a spoonful in each of the mushroom caps, 400 degrees, 10 minutes, boom.

Big hit.

It's nothing, just pick one thing, learn it and bring it.

Parker Olson

I bring

Pat Gritlow

it.

That's Tony heavier.

Yeah, bring a bag of tiny bags.

It's so easy to share.

Etiquette, there you go.

That's something that

Other people have to think about is the leftovers and are you going to send leftovers with somebody?

If you're going to send leftovers, be prepared for that as well, because otherwise you find yourself later on going, where's that Tupperware Bowl?

Where's that thing?

Oh yeah, you sent it with Aunt Edna.

And are you going to call Aunt Edna and go, hey, I want my Tupperware Bowl back?

You know?

Parker Olson

Similarly,

Pat Gritlow

if you're given Tupperware or something by somebody,

Parker Olson

bring it back.

Tupperware is one of life's mysteries to me, Pat.

How so?

Well, you can never track down where it all is.

I don't know where the lid is for the thing that I use all the time.

Pat Gritlow

Yes, it's like socks, you know.

Why

Parker Olson

is there

Pat Gritlow

only one sock where to go?

Yeah, we have a Tupperware drawer kind of.

And every so often, I'll go through something and realize, I don't have the lid for this.

And I will pull out the entire drawer and reorganize it.

And that lid is still nowhere to be found.

Parker Olson

Turns out it was at the

Pat Gritlow

sink drying off.

Oh no, but mine is just lost to the ether forever.

So these are some of the small things.

And then there's big things like a big dog.

We'd love to have your stories of Thanksgiving, 855-757-855-752-4842.

Now I want to talk briefly about the end of the legislative session for the calendar year.

There's still going to be a session early in 2026.

But these guys are done for the year.

The Republican leadership in the Assembly and Senate has said, yeah, we're done.

Mission accomplished.

Got everything done.

They did not get everything done.

And in an especially heinous bit of political trickery yesterday, Assembly Speaker Robin Voss pulled a maneuver that would make sure that this bill that basically he's the only one that opposes wouldn't get a vote yesterday.

and it is a bill that would expand Medicaid health insurance coverage for new moms from 60 days to 12 months.

The money's there to do it.

It is federally supported.

48 states have done it, but not Arkansas and Wisconsin because Assembly Speaker Robin Voss considers health insurance for women postpartum to be welfare.

And so he single-handedly is blocking a bill that, you know who co-sponsors this?

three fourths of the members of the assembly, including about 30 Republicans.

30 Republicans and they sat on their hands and did nothing yesterday.

I was part of a Democratic caucus in the Senate that when we didn't like something that our majority leader was doing, at the end of that floor session, there was a vote and that person was out and a new caucus leader was in.

I can't even imagine why.

the Republicans who sponsor this bill, who know that this is a good thing and is going to keep new moms healthy and in some cases alive.

Didn't at that point say, you know, Speaker Voss, you're maybe getting a little too big for your britches.

Thank you for your service.

Time to move on.

But no, Robin Voss has either puppet strings or purse strings in the case of campaign cash.

Whatever it is, you have

Republicans there, co-sponsors like Jesse Rodriguez of Oak Creek and like Patrick Snyder of Weston and others who just allowed a house speaker to put ideology ahead of health.

And there's nothing wrong with having, you know, ideology or having values and things, but when you're defying the will of most of your members just to put down new moms, you guys might want to rethink your leadership.

Sean O'Malley is talking about your money and the markets coming up in 15 minutes.

I'm Pac Rightlow live from Lake Wissota.

Follow me at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crightlow (host)

It's a Thursday morning, November 20th.

Nice to have you along.

I'm back right now at 7 23, just about here from Lake Wissota from Robin Tigerton.

Good morning.

He says it's foggy and 36 degrees has a meeting to go to and shout out today.

Yesterday took his aunt Leah to Appleton to see his cousin Bert.

who has had heart surgery and is doing better, and we are very happy to hear that.

Thank you very much, Rob, for writing in.

We're always happy to have updates from you as well, what's going on weather-wise, what you're doing for Thanksgiving, and do you have some Thanksgiving stories that you'd like to share as well?

855-75-CIVIC is the phone number.

You can call, text, or use that Civic Media app.

Let's look at a little sports here.

You might have heard earlier from Jimmy Cusco that the state high school football championships are taking place today and tomorrow.

Divisions four through seven today.

Divisions one, two, and three tomorrow.

Let's see.

The Badger women's basketball team defeated UIC Chicago last night.

They will next place Sunday hosting Detroit Mercy.

The Badger Men's basketball team will be playing this Friday afternoon.

It'll be at BYU in Salt Lake City.

Coverage begins at 2.30 Friday afternoon on several civic media stations.

The Milwaukee Bucks are at home tonight, taking on the Philadelphia 76ers.

Let's do a little hockey here.

The Badger Men's hockey team will be playing on a couple of civic media radio stations this Friday.

They will be playing at

ranked Michigan State.

You can listen starting at 7 p.m.

Friday on WFHR in Wisconsin Rapids and WJMS up in Ironwood, Michigan.

The top ranked Badger women's hockey team will be hosting St.

Thomas tonight and tomorrow evening.

The Badger Women's Volleyball team, number 10 in the country, they swept number nine ranked per due last night.

And so on Sunday now, they will host Iowa.

In football, you've got the Badger Football team playing on Saturday.

They will be hosting Illinois on Saturday evening.

Coverage begins Saturday afternoon at 4.30 on several Civic Media stations.

The Green Bay Packers, meanwhile, they will be hosting the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday.

It's a noon kickoff.

coverage begins at 10 a.m.

on some civic media stations, and then it's a short week.

They'll be playing again next Thursday Thanksgiving.

That'll be a noon game at Detroit, taking on the Lions, and that's a look at some of the sports that we've got covering.

Well, except for there's this sports show that airs Saturday mornings at seven.

What's the name of this thing here?

Call your shot.

What is it?

Make the call.

Oh, make the call.

Yes, make the call.

Greg Anderson (contributor)

Okay.

can listen to Jimmy Cusca leading the round table of myself.

Greg Anderson and Conrad Kruger.

We often have Jay Kokorowski from the Badger Observer join us for a quick segment.

This week, I think we've got a really fun show coming up, especially for me, frankly, because we've got a lot of division three sport.

We always talk a little bit about division three sports.

But today or on Saturday, we will have Pat Coleman from D3 football.com.

He's going to preview D3 football.

playoffs that start this weekend.

And Mike Shaw, who is the director of the couple of bowl games that are in Wisconsin, the Ismus Bowl and the Lakefront Bowl, he's going to be joining Jimmy for an interview there.

So

Pat Crightlow (host)

really

Greg Anderson (contributor)

fun.

And by the

Pat Crightlow (host)

way, speaking of division three and the WIAC, if you missed it earlier, the WIAC, you know, the smaller UW schools, five, five of them are in the, in the postseason tournament, right?

For D three.

Greg Anderson (contributor)

Yeah.

So four of them made the playoffs, which has never happened before.

And then a fifth one is in the Esmus Bowl, which you actually, if you watch that, you'll hear our own Jimmy Cusco on the call.

He's the forecaster for that game.

OK.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Oh, good.

So there you go.

There's a little sports update for you.

Turning back to some of the things we were talking about with the legislature being done for the calendar year, despite getting paid for the whole year.

Do you remember us talking a couple of weeks back about how there were Republicans, including State Representative Scott Krug, who were talking all about being in support of allowing local clerks to start to process absentee ballots on the day before Election Day?

Not count them, but process them.

Make sure the information on the envelope is correct.

Save a lot of time on Election Day.

You'll get the results earlier.

It's a common sense thing should have been done a long time ago.

Republicans keep tying strings to it.

You know, things like, I don't know, getting rid of the Wisconsin Elections Commission and things like that.

Well anyway, there was a bill yesterday that would require clerks to return to voters absentee ballots that have faulty or missing certifications as long as they are received no later than seven days before the election.

Which was fine except that Democratic Representative Lee Snodgrass

saw that that bill was going to pass.

And so put up an amendment, amend the bill to also allow the processing of absentee ballots the day before the election.

And Republicans rejected it.

And so Representative Snodgrass criticized the author of the bill, Representative Scott Krug, for going on what she called a media tour, saying that he would pass a Monday processing bill, and then not including that provision in the bill.

Snodgrass said and Whist Politics is reporting this.

This amendment would enable those clerks to begin to process those ballots ahead of time and therefore get those results that my own colleagues said people want to know before they go to bed.

Krug acknowledged his belief that Monday processing would benefit the state but he said there was too much opposition in the Senate and the quote I see here in Whist Politics is Krug saying quote, I'm smart enough to know

I've been married twice and I have six kids.

I don't always get everything I want.

I'm just pausing for laughter here.

Again, this is a state representative who did a media tour saying, you know, Republicans are on board now.

We want to help the election process.

We want to help our clerks.

And when the time came to help local clerks and to help facilitate counting of absentee ballots, they rejected an amendment to a different bill related to it with Scott Krug saying,

I'm smart enough to know I've been married twice and I have six kids.

I always don't get everything.

I don't always get everything that I want.

Well played.

The bill that would allow for some online sports gambling through tribal casinos that was put on hold.

Apparently the votes were not there to do that.

And there was no bill passed that would give relief to wedding barns that are facing tight restrictions on alcohol licenses.

We're going to talk to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets coming up.

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Well, once again, President Donald Trump gave a very interesting speech.

This one on the economy, and this one to a group of franchise owners of McDonald's restaurants who had gathered in Washington.

And that's where we bring in Sean O'Malley to talk about your money and the markets.

Sean is a Hudson native.

He's had a lengthy Wall Street career in anti-money laundering, financial risk management, fraud.

Data analytics and compliance, easy for me to say, Sean.

He's got a business card that, you know, is the size of a hubcap.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

He's just... Yeah, yeah.

It's all one big acronym.

It looks like an iChart.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Exactly.

How are you today?

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

I'm doing

Pat Crightlow (host)

well.

I'm doing well on yourself.

Doing well because as I always, as we always like to tell people, when it comes to speeches by the president, don't listen to the audio.

Just read it.

read it.

And so in this case, as he's talking about the issue of affordability and the economy, he said that on Sunday, his team was still working to come up with new ways to bring down costs, quote, we worked on it this weekend.

And you're going to see some of the items that were a little bit higher.

They were lower than the last administration, but a little bit higher.

We're going to have some little price reductions and in some cases, some pretty good ones.

Okay

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

Republicans are supposed to be pro-market that sounds socialist that is observation number one yeah number two given the the ideas I mean he keeps floating out he seems to be fixated on on housing costs so his solutions with which we've talked about previously was one the 50-year mortgage

ridiculous, probably the dumbest suggestion I've ever heard in financial circles.

Now he came up with another proposal that was brought to my attention, that is kind of an interesting notion, although completely impractical.

Basically, that your your mortgage rate should stay the same, and it sort of moves with you, regardless of, you know, as you sell your house, and I'm trying to

kind of work through the mechanics of that.

I'm thinking, okay, so you basically have to have like a mortgage account that you're paying into.

But if you know, you to make it equal, you're gonna have to have the interest rate set, which means you might have to have interest rate subsidies, which is definitely not market.

Pat Crightlow (host)

You know, it sounds like concepts of a plan.

It sounds like really

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

bizarre concepts of a plan

Pat Crightlow (host)

and the

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

mechanics of it.

I mean, the sheer implementation

aspect of it would be ridiculous and what happens to

real estate agents then and everything else.

It's just kind of

Pat Crightlow (host)

not.

But Trump posted that he had, quote, normalized inflation, had slashed regulations like water restrictions in order to help small businesses.

Don't know how I'm seeing that.

And really didn't give any details other than to say, quote, this is the golden age of America because we are doing better than we've ever done as a country.

Prices are coming down and all that stuff.

And all that stuff.

The New York Times notes that beef prices are approaching $10 a pound and he really did not have an answer for that for all these McDonald's franchise owners about how ordinary Americans are going to struggle to afford things like the Big Macs that Donald Trump loves to talk about.

Golden age or gilded age?

That's our new trivia question for Sean O'Malley.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

Yeah, we're basically, he likes to liken it to the Gilded Age, yes, of the 1920s or even back to the 1890s, where as with now, increasingly economic power and financial might is controlled by the few and more and more people are disenfranchised.

Now, I do have one observation about

the the comment about sort of beef in general or beef related things if Wisconsin is the Silicon Valley of bull semen I would say that Washington DC is the Silicon Valley of bull crap

Pat Crightlow (host)

It's just there's nothing and the thing is as the the Times article notes Trump has vacillated between blaming his predecessor for the affordability problem and

claiming that there is not one at all.

So, I mean, unless you can't fix a problem, if you can't define the problem, and frankly, a lot of people criticize the Biden administration that they were living in denial about inflation issues.

Well, this is denial on steroids, basically, when it comes to how they see it.

Are they going to blame Biden?

Are they going to say it doesn't exist?

Are they doing something?

Are they not doing something?

There is no clarity coming from this White House right now.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

That's absolutely right, Pat.

I mean, Biden did fall into the inflation trap trying to say, hey, but we're doing a lot of good.

And I understood what he was trying to say from an economic perspective, the spending plans in his economic plan really boosted long term projects that we weren't going to be realizing the benefits of for many years to come.

And because Trump would not allow the Fed

basically put a lot of pressure on them not to raise interest rates during his first term back from, you know, 2017 to 2021.

That meant that everything sort of got overheated.

And they needed to raise rates rather rapidly, which they did.

And they actually overshot the mark quite a bit, which led to kind of a bit of a bank crisis, which is why Silicon Valley Bank and a few others went out.

But

Denial is not the way forward on this.

No, no, you cannot tell people what they can see with their own eyes when they're looking at their grocery bills at their energy bills and things like that.

Pat Crightlow (host)

So we're talking to Sean O'Malley, a finance and economics expert about how or whether the Trump administration is trying to address the issues of affordability.

And one of the things that they're starting to take credit for that they say will bring down prices is selectively reducing some of these tariffs, which

begs the question, who was the idiot that put these tariffs into place that now they're taking credit for, you know, getting those tariffs set aside and reducing prices.

I can't imagine who put those tariffs in place in the first place a few months ago.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

Yeah, well, we'll have to do some research on that, obviously.

Yeah, it's going to be a very short research project.

This is something that Trump has unfortunately done repeatedly in his business career, if you read up on the gentleman.

He will create a problem.

and then take credit for solving it by making the problem by, you know,

Pat Crightlow (host)

making the problem

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

by not insisting on what he was

insisting on that created the problem in the first place.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Right.

And again, it's what made it's what made things so puzzling a year ago is that we we knew all of this.

And yet still so now we've got what the next trick up his sleeve is to say that there are going to be these tariff checks that you know, because apparently all this tariff money came in from other countries which I believe financial experts like Sean O'Malley has told us the money does not come from other countries it comes out of our pockets.

And so are we gonna get these $2,000 tariff checks?

It sounds a bit like a business scam.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

It does.

If it's too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.

Yeah, so the numbers have bounced around a little bit, but everybody's in agreement that about $200 billion has been collected from US consumers and businesses in the form of tariffs this year.

So if you're going to try to refund that and the experts say there's a maybe a 10% chance of that actually happening, even if it does happen, even if somehow the long shot comes in and they're able to get approval to send these checks out, don't plan on spending it for Christmas this year.

Those checks would not arrive until middle or late next year.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And then of course, one of his

cabinet officers maybe was asked, well, isn't that going to increase inflation if you're putting out all these $2,000 checks?

And of course, then the official said, well, maybe they'll save them.

That's what wealthy people do when they get these big tax cuts is they save and don't put it back into the economy.

If you're giving people checks, you want them to put it back into the economy.

That's what it's there for.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

Yeah, right.

Well, and this is the whole

crux of the trickle down versus, you know, kind of trickle up theory.

Trickle down, as we know, does not work, but hey, it doesn't stop us from keeping on trying.

It doesn't stop the Republicans from advocating it as an economic solution.

But as we have seen, it doesn't work.

And that's been evidenced by studies that have been done that we've talked about on this show.

You know, the top 10% of Americans being responsible for over 50% of consumer spending.

I mean, that illustrates it very clearly that the people who are spending are the ones who can afford to, and this is even trickle down to, if I can use that expression, McDonald's.

McDonald's has noticed significant drops in sales, not

not because burger prices are up, although that is certainly the case.

And so the affordability, yes, I'm going to use that word, for a lot of people has gotten increasingly out of reach.

And what's happening is that you have a segment, particularly at the lower economic strata of society that literally cannot afford to go and eat at McDonald's.

They will stay home.

They will find another alternative.

Basically, they have been priced out.

of dining at McDonald's.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yeah, I mean, because again, the supply side economics might be the biggest fairy tale and scam ever foisted upon the the American public.

We're talking to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.

There was this, there was this government shutdown thing.

It has finally come to an end, but it did dam up some economic data for a while here.

So I think some of the data is starting to trickle out.

What, what have we been learning so far?

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

uh not much it's really it's a slow trickle but the one thing that we're expecting uh and I keep my eye uh on the announcement because it was supposed to come out 16 minutes ago but we have yet to see it hmm wonder why uh we're supposed to be the non-farm payroll number and we all know what happened to the last person who reported non-farm payroll numbers that

Pat Crightlow (host)

Donald

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

Trump didn't like you know former head of the bureau of labor statistics

Go on, replace it with a loyalist.

Numbers aren't good.

Well, we're going to delay the announcement.

But normally this is done on the first Friday of every month at 8.30 AM.

They had rescheduled the September data now that the government has reopened to be announced this morning.

Here's

Pat Crightlow (host)

what I got here from the the New York Times says the manufacturing sector continued to shed jobs, losing another 6000 jobs in September.

A key argument for Trump's tariff policy is that it would bring back manufacturing jobs.

It's an especially sluggish report.

The Times is saying that job growth was stronger than expected in September, but increases in the unemployment rate will temper the enthusiasm somewhat.

unemployment rate hasn't been this high since the late stages of the pandemic.

All told, employers added 119,000 jobs in September and unemployment is at 4.4%.

I got 30 seconds left, Sean, but that is not evidence of a golden age.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

No, that's evidence that you're coming close to replacement for the number of jobs that you're losing, but you're still not quite there.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yeah.

Sean O'Malley follows your money in the markets for us, and we always appreciate you having to follow whatever data we're able to get and make sense of here.

I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.

We will talk to you in two weeks.

Sean O'Malley (finance expert)

All right.

Very good.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Have a good one.

Thank you, Sean.

Talk to you a little later.

All right.

Coming up in our next hour, we will be talking to Joseph Pecky, the State Assembly, and the State Senate are done meeting for the calendar year, what got done, and a whole lot that didn't get done.

I'm Pat Crightlow from Milk North News.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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you

Pat Kratlow (host)

Welcome back.

It is 7.52.

Pat Kratlow here in Chippewa Falls.

Parker Olsen down in Madison Studio A2.

James Kelly in Chippewa Falls over at the Civic Media Newsroom there.

James, good morning.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you guys doing?

I'm doing good things.

It occurs to me that I go through different coffee mugs.

A lot of times they're the ones with the grandkids on.

I don't know if you have a regular coffee mug, but I've got, in this case, a coffee mug that everybody always sees the one side of it, which is nothing, just plain, because on the other side is a UW-Clare alumni thing on there.

But because they only put it on the one side of the mug, the people watching on the camera, they never see that side.

So some free advice, if you're making a coffee mug, put your design on both sides.

Yeah, people use both

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

of their hands.

Pat Kratlow (host)

Yes.

Some people

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

are righties.

Some people are lefties.

Pat Kratlow (host)

If you want, if you want that branding out there, you got to put the brand wherever it goes.

So anyway, so from the Chippewa Valley here, this this proud little blue gold turns things over to James and you can follow what he covers for Chippewa Valley News at ninety three five the tap.

That's WCFW HD two here in the Chippewa Valley and you can follow on the web headlines and weather and more at the tap dot FM.

Again, that's the tap dot FM and let's

Let's get started here next door to Eau Claire in the Altoona School District.

What's going on there, James?

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

Yeah, so the school district has been conducting this survey to kind of gauge interest in some potential referendum options for April.

They were hoping to get enough support to maybe fund a new high school because their current facility needs more space that, you know, it doesn't have an auditorium.

So the total cost of that was estimated at over $88 million and then with some repairs that would have been made to the main campus, it's another 15 something.

So that's over $100 million.

and there is not support for that in the Altoona community right now.

Most of the survey respondents said they would not be supporting that referendum.

One of the things that they did support was just that $15.6 million for the critical repairs.

That was 64% of the respondents said they would support that, but that was the only option that received over half the vote.

So district officials are gonna kind of take that back to the meeting in December and decide where to go from there.

Pat Kratlow (host)

And again, I would add that the the referendums all these referendums would the reason they're proliferating

the way they are is because of the chronic underfunding from the state legislature that we talked about in yesterday's homeroom segment.

If you missed that, go follow us as a podcast or go to the Civic Media website and look up our 7 a.m.

hour from yesterday.

We talked to two members of a blue ribbon commission on school funding about the things that have led to all of these referendums being needed all around Wisconsin and why you're seeing people in Altoona and other places starting to push back on

referendums, which could have a real impact on education unless the state legislature changes their minds or changes their composition, as the case may be.

Let's head down a little south now to the village of Fairchild, where again, there are just things that you want to invest in.

Schools, or in this case,

drinking water that's safe seems to seems like an important thing, James.

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

Yeah, so Governor Tony Evers and the DNR earlier this week announced $282 million in safe drinking water loan program funding for 74 municipalities across the state.

The village of Fairchild is getting one of the most significant portions of that funding.

They're getting almost $2 million to address nitrate contamination in well number one there and also construct a new well and well house so that they could just abandon that.

if they need to, if they can't clean up the contamination.

So we're gonna see a lot more of that over the coming years, a big focus on cleaning up nitrates, cleaning up PFAS from the water, addressing problems with lead service lines, just trying to make sure that there's nothing in the water that's gonna cause any health risks to people.

Pat Kratlow (host)

Yeah, I mean when people say why do things cost so much more now than they they used to well It's it's not a matter of just sinking a well anymore.

You know, we we've had decades of Industrial chemicals going into the water and you know different fertilizers and everything else over the years and so You want safe drinking water?

It's it's gonna take some money and that's why you've got the state loan program Local farmers are being asked to take part in an event by the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

What's that about?

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

Let's say it's almost the other way around.

The Wisconsin Farmers Union invited anybody earlier this week to come and write some letters to local farmers just to kind of show them some appreciation.

It's been a tough year for farmers just with everything going on with food share and the way tariffs have affected the international market, especially with soybeans.

So the Farmers Union just wanted to have some people come in and write letters to local farms and say, hey, we appreciate you guys.

We know you're not doing this for the lifestyle.

We know you're not doing it because it's

this ultra successful line of work that you're in, but it's important work.

It's how we eat.

It's how we clothe ourselves.

So just a nice little way to show them some appreciation after some tough times.

Pat Kratlow (host)

And let's take a moment to appreciate just how backwards I got that because the note in front of me says, Wisconsin Farmers Union hosts a thank you letter writing event for local farmers.

And I was very curious when I saw that.

I'm like, Oh, this event for local farmers, who are they writing?

Thank you letters to themselves, themselves.

No, I'm sure farmers could have attended and said, you

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

know what, my neighbor.

did a really good job this year.

I'm

Pat Kratlow (host)

going to write him a

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

letter.

Pat Kratlow (host)

Where's that Snoop Dogg?

I was just going to say.

I'd like to thank me.

I did this.

I got up early and milked those cows.

I got out there on that combine.

I'd like to thank me.

That's what we ought to see from the Wisconsin Farmers Union is put Snoop Dogg in a farmer's cap.

and give that speech.

I would watch that for two hours.

That would be so great.

The Public Service Commission is the group that looks at rate hikes by utilities around the state, and there's some news from customers of Excel.

Energy gets set to shell out a little more.

James Kelly (Civic Media Newsroom)

Yeah, so as you know, XL Energy supplies a lot of the power to northwestern Wisconsin and the upper peninsula of Michigan.

But for the northwest Wisconsin region, where I'm more concerned, the average customer could see an additional $25 on their monthly bills starting in 2027.

It's a rate hike that's going to go into effect over the next couple years.

So this year, it'll be closer to about $9.

And the next following year, it'll be closer to 25 total.

The total is a little less than they had originally asked for from the Public Service Commission of Wisconsin.

The Alliant Energy also requested a rate hike, so it's over $300 million in higher rates over the next two years between the two.

So electricity costs are going up.

It's just costs going up everywhere.

Pat Kratlow (host)

The costs are going up.

But I also know there's a consumer group out there that has been pointing out that these utilities don't seem to be teetering on bankruptcy.

They have to make a return on investment.

These are not nonprofit companies.

And so they have been putting pressure on to keep the lid on these rate hikes.

But these rate hikes continue to be approved.

James Kelly, thanks for covering everything for Civic Media in our Chippewa Falls Newsroom.

Have a great day.

Thanks, guys.

Have a good one.

Much more in our 8 o'clock hour coming up, including Joseph Becky.

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Pat Kraitlow

Hey, good morning.

Welcome back.

Nice to have you here.

Up North on this Thursday morning, November 20th, 806 is the time right now.

Joseph Becky coming up in just a bit, and we will talk about the end of the legislative activity.

for 2025.

The Senate a couple days back, the Assembly yesterday passed some bills, left a lot of things undone, and so we'll find out what you're getting for your money.

as you pay this full-time salary to all these legislators.

Coming up from Joe in our next half hour, but first, let's check in with Chad Holmes from 98.9 WXCO, who was on a break last week, got to do a little time off in between sports seasons.

I did see a post.

You're at a Chicago Blackhawks game, if memory serves.

Oh, I also saw you sitting at Johnny Carson's desk at a broadcasting museum.

That was cool.

Chad Holmes

Yeah.

No Ed McMahon next to me, though.

That was disappointing.

Yes.

It was fun to sit behind Johnny's desk.

It was actually a cool place to go to.

They had a Centennial thing about Johnny Carson, his life, and also a big late night display, talking about basically history of late nights from the beginning right through the latest controversies.

I mean, they were right on top of it.

with Kimmel and Colbert and everything else.

So it was really cool.

They had and also a couple of other things that were so fun.

When I was younger, we got cable television.

I think I was about 10, 11 years old.

That's when cable TV came.

And of course, WGN was the big super station.

And every morning as I would wake up,

to turn on the Bozo show and see Bozo circus on WGN.

And they had the grand prize game and they had a Bozo exhibit and I was able to play the grand prize game finally after all these years.

Pat Kraitlow

Fortunately,

Chad Holmes

I did not get all the way to the end, but it was still fun to do.

And also there was the, as part of the museum of broadcast communications, that's where they whole have the radio hall of fame.

So I went there to pitch myself and they were not too interested.

Pat Kraitlow

It's

Chad Holmes

not

Pat Kraitlow

anytime yet.

Chad Holmes

Okay.

They said don't call us.

We'll call you.

Yeah, very nice.

Pat Kraitlow

And how'd you like being at the Blackhawks game?

Chad Holmes

Oh, it was fantastic.

I mean, it was really good seats and hockey is of the sports that I've been I've been able to go see the Brewer's major league baseball been

to Pfizer forum for basketball.

But hockey live is the best.

Pat Kraitlow

It's the best.

Chad Holmes

It's far and away

Pat Kraitlow

the best.

Chad Holmes

The way that you feel the game, the way that you see the game is so much better than it is on television.

And to see these guys, I mean, these are big guys, the way they move around the ice.

And I mean, sometimes I'm watching it, I'm thinking, how the heck is anybody going to score?

I mean, how are you going to break through these other guys whose number one job is to stop you from getting to the gold tender?

But I mean, it was fantastic.

And I got to tell you, and not to say anything good about Chicago people, because I'm not really, I'm not a Black Fox fan.

I was rooting for New

Pat Kraitlow

Jersey.

There's nobody's a Black

Chad Holmes

Hawk.

But I will say that they were passionate.

It was an energy, the way that the whole game night experience was put together.

It was very, very impressive.

The United Center, I'd never been there.

It's a fantastic place to be.

I mean, I was kind of blown away by the entire experience.

I'd only been to one previous NHL game that was in Anaheim, the Mighty Ducks.

Oh, yes.

And I got to tell you, the experience was completely different because the fans here in the upper Midwest, I think, are just more...

into it, more passionate about it.

You just you feel the game so much better.

Pat Kraitlow

There is a website somewhere and I haven't done it for this season, but they track for all the NHL teams, their their goal celebration, the horn that they blow.

Sometimes it's a fog horn, train whistle, whatever.

And then the songs that they play.

And I don't remember the song that the Blackhawks play, but it's kind of a catchy little thing.

I think Chelsea.

Chelsea Dagger, that's it.

That's a catchy little tune, unless, you know, the team that uses it scores on you.

Then

Chad Holmes

you

Pat Kraitlow

hate hearing that song.

You just hate it.

But yeah, that's...

Chad Holmes

But it is cool.

I mean, they did it three times last Wednesday night.

And, you know, that, yeah, you're exactly right.

They brought that from the Old Chicago Stadium.

I mean, that was like the...

back when they were in the stadium, which was called the Madhouse on Madison.

You know, it's in a truly yes.

I mean, it's still just incredible.

I mean, the thing was, it was a TV game.

It was the second game of a national TV doubleheader.

So instead of normally where you start at seven o'clock, this game did not have the opening face off until 8.52 on a Wednesday night.

I'm thinking that, you know, it's going to be maybe keep people down a little bit because so many folks have to go back to work the next morning.

And this game would

be over, you know, not until like 1130 at night.

But nope, it was packed to the to the gills.

It was still just as passionate.

The people were just into it.

It was, it was fantastic.

Pat Kraitlow

That's great.

We're talking to Chad Holmes from 98 nine WXCO.

You can catch him throughout the course of our morning show here, talking to local guests, but he was away last week.

And attending things and when you talk about, you know, going to a hockey game.

And now, of course, from an NHL standpoint, you pretty much got the state divided in half as far as your closest game is either a Blackhawks game in Chicago or a Minnesota wild game over in St.

Paul.

But again, seriously, everybody's a Packers fan.

People like the Brewers and the Bucks and the Badgers and all that.

But unless you're like, I'm a died heart baseball fan.

A lot of people think baseball is a little too boring to watch, you know, but I won't.

I love the intricacies.

Football, though, you get there and you realize just how much is on TV and you don't see it when you're sitting in the stadium.

Now, I'll still go.

Don't get me wrong.

But football is very much a TV sport now, whereas hockey on TV is definitely not for everybody because it's kind of the back and forth, back and forth.

But when you are there in the arena watching hockey and it doesn't necessarily have to be an NHL game, everybody knows I follow a particular college hockey.

team and even Milwaukee you know has the admirals and there's other minor league hockey teams out there that again this is a general a general plug for going to see a hockey game live even if it's your high school local high school hockey game you're going to see some good stuff there.

Chad Holmes

Oh absolutely and when you talk about you're going to a packer game or a badger game even because I don't think you realize until you're actually there at the game how long and how many timeouts there are.

Yeah.

I mean, because when you're at home, you can go, go to the refrigerator.

You can go, you know, grab a bite to eat.

You can, you can, you'll do things.

You can flip to the other game.

That's on the other network.

Boy, I mean, it's amazing how long those timeouts feel when you're just, you're sitting there in the crowd, especially on a cold day.

Yes.

But that's the hockey game.

The same way you do at a football game.

Pat Kraitlow

Yeah.

In much the same way that basketball, you know, first you think, Oh, there's less than a minute left.

That less than a minute left can go 10, 15 minutes.

sometimes if need be between the timeouts and the commercials and everything else.

You mentioned that you might engage in a little bit of your favorite personal activity, a little poker playing.

Did you get any of that in?

Chad Holmes

I did not.

Again, it was a case where I have the theory that you have to really feel it.

Pat Kraitlow

Okay,

Chad Holmes

I didn't feel it I didn't feel like I was ready to because you have to basically If you're if you do well, it would be for the first day you'd be doing it for about you know 12 hours and you'd come back and finish up the next day I did not have I felt the patience.

Yeah

I just felt like I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go walk downtown Chicago, gonna go to the museum, gonna go to the game, just gonna go hang out and try to survive of trying to find parking downtown Chicago and do all that good stuff.

So I decided, no, I'm just gonna do some R&R this time around.

Pat Kraitlow

Now, because you were on break, you may not have been following this, but I'll ask anyway, since the state high school football championships start today, divisions four through seven today, divisions one, two and three tomorrow,

Obviously, you're not down there covering things.

So I don't know from a local standpoint that there's much to watch.

But do you see any storylines that are worth following as you look at the matchups?

Chad Holmes

Well, we have one area team.

That's Edgar.

Of course, Edgar.

Of course, Edgar.

Pat Kraitlow

And or Stratford perennials.

I

Chad Holmes

really am appreciative of Edgar coach Jerry Sins because obviously this week is a very busy week and being a Thursday afternoon game that they have at one o'clock today.

I reached out to him to say, hey, would you be able to come on our high school sports show, which I do on Wednesday evenings?

And we were able to set up a time at eight o'clock on Tuesday night where he was just away.

This finished up a family birthday party and I was able to catch him and have a good discussion with him.

So, I mean, that was very, very big of him to take the time as just before heading down to Madison yesterday, but.

Edgar has won two straight state championships the last two years in division seven, but because the WIAA has the success quotient now, they were moved up to division six and they are going for a third consecutive state championship and it's been quite a run here in the playoffs.

They've had three games of the four that were one score games and they've been right down to the wire.

They kept finding ways to win and Jerry Sins has been the coach at Edgar for more than 50 years and he's won a incredible number of championships, but one thing they've

done is win three in a row and they're gonna have a chance to do that today against Darlington and another thing that kind of jumps out about these seven games is today there are four games there are eight teams involved seven of which are 13 and oh and one is 12 and one I mean I've never seen Wow

so many undefeated teams going head-to-head in a game and to have four games with one loss combined between all the teams.

And then tomorrow there's three more teams that are 13 and 0 play-in.

And then there's a 12-1 team, an 11-2 team, and then a team that actually lost three games this year.

I mean, the level of success that the 14 teams that are going to be on the field at Camp Randall today and tomorrow is just...

really amazing.

Pat Kraitlow

It sounds the opposite of what we've been saying about the NFL that right now we're in a phase that you would call parody where everybody's pretty much on a level playing field where as for these high school teams right now there are dynasties in waiting and then there's everybody else.

Chad Holmes

Yeah and I like

Greatness I sometimes whether it's in different sports.

I follow different sports and sometimes In certain sports, they'll say well, it's getting the same the same team wins all the time or the same guy wins all the time Now that makes it boring.

I don't think that's boring at all.

I think seeing greatness is great I think that that means, you know, you those folks usually you either love them or hate them You're either root for them really hard or you hate them

I just sometimes find the whole idea of parody being a little milk toast.

Announcer

Oh,

Chad Holmes

yeah.

I'm not a big fan of trying to make parody.

Hey, if it is parody, fantastic.

But was it Pete Rosell?

I think in the day, the whole goal was to have everybody finish eight and eight.

No, no,

Pat Kraitlow

no.

Back then they got so tired of Dallas and Pittsburgh being the winners all the time.

Well, mission accomplished on the Dallas

Chad Holmes

front.

You know, they won back to back and they were perfect.

Then they had Pittsburgh win four times.

They had Dallas win a couple.

The Raiders were great, but they kept losing.

Except for the one year they beat the Vikings in the Super Bowl.

So, I mean, you had truly great teams then.

And then you're right.

After that, it's been a lot of, you know, ups and downs.

Of course, you've had some franchises.

I mean, again, I'm not a fan of Bella check at all.

But I mean, it can't argue with the

Pat Kraitlow

results.

Chad Holmes

I know you can.

I mean, in this era, what he was able to accomplish in New England.

It blows the mind to be honest with you.

I mean, I don't know exactly how you could be able to do it.

Other than the fact he did have a guy at quarterback that seems to have been a linchpin because when he did go, Bill does not look quite as brilliant as he once did.

Pat Kraitlow

Although again, that guy, Mr Brady, expectations were not high for him at all.

Chad Holmes

No, no.

Pat Kraitlow

And

Chad Holmes

he's very much a Bart Starr-like figure.

Bart Starr was a 17th round draft pick for the Packers.

Nobody thought he was going to do anything.

And then he ends up winning five Super Bowls.

I mean, five NFL championships and a couple of Super Bowls.

So I think the stories between Brady and Starr are similar.

except the...

Brady, did you see the story?

Brady cloned his dog?

Pat Kraitlow

Yes, we've had a lot of fun

Chad Holmes

with that.

Our star would not clone his dog.

No, that's

Pat Kraitlow

it.

Let's make that clear.

Chad Holmes, you can hear him on 98.9 WXCO.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

We'll talk to you in a couple of weeks.

Chad Holmes

Thank you, Pat.

Pat Kraitlow

All right, we'll talk to you later.

Joseph Peckie is on the way as well and still inviting your stories about Thanksgiving Day, the disasters and the heartwarming ones as well at 855-75 Civic.

I'm Pat Kraitlo from Up North News.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

SPEAKER_??

you

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Welcome back.

It's a Thursday morning coming up on 823 right now.

We've got a great team at Up North News.

Of course, you hear from reporter Selena Heller on Mondays.

And then on Thursday mornings around 6.20, Sharita Booker, our social media manager, comes in and talks about some of the big events happening around Wisconsin for the coming weekend that you might consider attending.

And then there's Ellie Bordeaux, who puts together our daily newsletter.

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And you can catch up with all that Ellie writes about Wisconsin over at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

click subscribe up in the top banner and see her weekday newsletter and then of course my Sunday morning one which has more of a bent toward politics and especially Wisconsin politics and to that end I've noticed that now of course there's going to be an open seat up north here in the 7th congressional district and one of those PACs political action committees is coming in with all kinds of out-of-state money to help

somebody who's running and that somebody happens to be Sean Duffy's son-in-law who is running for the seat on the Republican side up here in the 7th District.

According to WISPolitics, a new super PAC is going to spend six figures on a media buy to back Republican Michael Alfonso

And he is running, of course, as not just Sean Duffy's son-in-law, but as a close ally of President Trump.

The group is called Northwood's Future Pack.

It was created about three weeks before Alfonso even started his campaign in late October, and it is going to be spending just over a quarter of a million dollars, according to a filing with the Federal Election Commission.

It's the first significant ad spending in the race, which again, Tom Tiffany is vacating to run for governor.

The group did not list contact information on its filing with the FEC, according to WISP Politics.

But according to one of the spots that has been seen,

It features Alfonso in the campaign launch, talking about his grandparents fleeing communism.

The ad also shows images of Zoran Mamdani, the mayor-elect of New York City, and Representative Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, also of New York City.

Did you know that AOC and Zoran Mamdani are running for Congress in northern Wisconsin?

You didn't?

Well, I mean, based on what this pack is going to be running for commercials on behalf of Sean Duffy's son-in-law, Michael Alfonso, you're going to want to watch out for Mom Donnie and AOC as if they're going to be on the ballot in northern Wisconsin.

Because again, when you can't win on your ideas, you create boogeymen.

You always got to create something like that.

The commercial says Alfonso will partner with President Trump to defeat the radical left, defend freedom and protect Wisconsin.

Really, defend freedom and protect Wisconsin from what?

Affordable prices?

Is that what they're gonna do?

Because we just got done talking about how with Tom Tiffany and Derek Van Orden and others, there's no independence to represent Northern Wisconsin.

I mean, I ask in all sincerity to have you tell me what Tom Tiffany can point to for a legislative achievement that has directly

benefited Northern Wisconsin.

He's not there to fight for his district.

He's there to fight for his base and doesn't bring home the bacon as they like to say.

And Alfonso's promising more of the same.

I mean, look at how Sean Duffy has debased himself since becoming one of Trump's cabinet secretaries.

Trump, like others, before him, Scott Walker and more, we're trying to warn people of the dangers of Trumpism and that, you know, Donald Trump should not become the nominee

But boy, once it became clear that he was going to be the guy, they could not give up their party fast enough.

This party that used to be a bulwark against, you know, Russian influence in the world, now kowtows to whatever Vladimir Putin wants.

This is a party that has taken

Trickle down economics to new levels rather than governing.

Look at the trick that Robin Voss pulled in the assembly yesterday.

This one man is holding up a bill that would benefit so many women in Wisconsin.

But again, it's a group that's only putting ideology first.

Michael Alfonso, near as I can tell,

I'm looking for the qualifications besides being Sean Duffy's son-in-law.

I'm looking for local service, elected office, anything.

There might be something that I'm forgetting or that I haven't seen.

But if you're looking just to create a family dynasty, you know, much like people want Donald Trump Jr.

or maybe Eric Trump or others to run for office, we're not looking for another family business here in Wisconsin, okay?

I mean, this is a district up north that elected Dave Obey for 40 years.

You know why?

He brought home the bacon.

You can see it in the infrastructure that's up there.

You can see it in what was brought back in terms of making sure that workers saw benefits.

Somebody that did not forget rural Wisconsin.

Thankfully, the state still has a senator like Tammy Baldwin, who despite being a Madison native, there is nobody that fights for rural Wisconsin in this state more than Tammy Baldwin period end of sentence.

more so than Tom Tiffany, much more so than Derek Van Orden, and more so, I would tell you, than Michael Alfonso could ever dream of doing.

That's why there's still no farm bill.

You've had Republicans running the House of Representatives for a number of years now, and they can't do any of those things.

You know what they can do?

They can scare people about AOC and Zoran Mamdani, who won office in New York City, but they won office by talking about affordability.

That's one of the greatest freedoms of all is that you're free to be able to afford the things that you need to raise a family to get an education to get a better job That's the kind of thing we should be working on and instead you've got Donald Trump saying well We live in a new golden age when it's actually much more of a gilded age So if you're looking for another Trump puppet sure you can go with somebody there

I personally see on the Democratic side, Fred Clark making a real name for himself and making the pitch that maybe it's time for that district up north to swing back to a representative who'd actually give a damn about them.

Joseph Pecky is coming up next.

You're up north.

Pat Critello (host)

Nice to have you back.

It's a Thursday morning.

One week to go till Thanksgiving.

8.35 is the time right now.

And the Wisconsin legislature has wrapped up most of their action for calendar 2025.

The session will continue with a little bit of work in early 2026.

Not much based on past performance.

It's pretty clear that Republican leadership will once again send legislators home perhaps as early as late February.

to take essentially a 10 month paid vacation while they all campaigned for a reelection.

That's despite there being a lot of stuff to get done.

And so we're going to talk to Joseph Pecky about that right now, what got done, what didn't get done.

Joe, good morning.

How are you?

Joseph Pecky

I'm okay.

Pat Critello (host)

All right.

Well, you know the big story, of course, and that is that you've got a bill that would expand a coverage, Medicaid expansion coverage for postpartum women instead of 60 days.

It would be 12 months.

It has the support of about three-fourths of the assembly members, including nearly 30 Republicans.

But one guy, once again this year, like last year, Assembly Speaker Robin Voss is standing in the way and

I'm not going to put a question to you, Joe.

I'm just going to say from a hypothetical standpoint, because I've been there, I know, if you had a caucus leader who was blocking something that three-fourths of your members were a cosponsor of,

there would absolutely be a revolt.

I know, because I was in the room when it happened, when we replaced a majority leader right after a floor session, because we felt that person had gotten out of touch with what the rest of the caucus wants.

And yet Robin Voss says, nope, I don't want this bill.

And all those Republicans yesterday, you know, from Patrick Snyder of Weston to Jesse Rodriguez of Oak Creek and others, they're all co-sponsors.

And they just fell in line.

That would not have happened if this this were happening on the Democratic side.

Joseph Pecky

No, I think there's two things at play here.

The first of which is.

It's not whether a politician or an elected official is for something.

It's how much they care about it.

Yeah.

And how much they are actually for it, as opposed to playing politics and doing the easy part, which is saying there for something.

which would prevent largely black women from dying between three and 12 months after giving birth.

It is one thing to say, it's very easy to say, I'm for that.

And then you don't have to face really difficult questions and you get to parade around pretending that you're pro-life because that's what you say you are.

But that's different from actually supporting it.

And you know that Robin Voss is not that popular, not that...

well-liked, so you just get to hide behind his decisions.

That's one thing that could be going on here.

The other thing that could be going on here is Robin Voss is just out of craps, shall we say, to give, because the rumors are that Mr. Voss will be retiring and going back to his business life.

And so he may not care.

if his caucus actually cares about stuff, he's going to go out the way he is always operated, which is standing in the way of common sense things, public policy, that even Arkansas has done.

There's like 48 states that have done this.

And, you know, so either way, it's a it's a terrible outcome for moms and new babies who

are doing their best, usually in very, very difficult circumstances to try to take care of a new life.

And, you know, Robin Vossen Republicans are happy to live with headlines and the reality that they could do a little something to make life a little bit better at almost no cost.

And they're like, nah, we'd rather go home.

SPEAKER_??

Yeah.

Pat Critello (host)

Yep, just put ideology ahead of women's health.

Cindy's on the line from Appleton.

Cindy, a lot of people on social media have comments about Robin Voss.

I can't put those on the radio, but Cindy, I can put you on the radio.

What's your thought on this?

Cindy from Appleton (caller)

Well, first of all, I just want to say I am behind a vehicle that has a bumper sticker that says freedom and next to it a bumper sticker that says I am pro life.

These people just can't connect the dots.

I don't get it.

Anyway, I'm just wondering if I don't know I can't imagine Robert boss giving up his power and his ego many stuff But if he's not going to be I mean if he is coming back does anybody know if he's got?

Competition running against him on the Democrat side with this election

Pat Critello (host)

In his district.

Yes, that would be

Well, he's he's certainly been opposed.

And thank you, Cindy, opposed in Republican primaries as well as by Democrats.

I don't know the district well enough to know what it looks like for 2026, Joe.

Joseph Pecky

I don't either.

But to the point about Robin Voss giving up power, he's not going to be in a position to give it up.

The voters of Wisconsin are going to take it away.

Because when you look at the reality of new maps, there is a very straightforward path to the majority in the state Senate for Democrats.

And in the assembly, it's a narrower path, but it's eminently plausible.

And it was eminently plausible before we saw the election results in Virginia and New Jersey and Georgia and Pennsylvania.

And then over the last week,

A bunch of other data that suggests that 2026 is shaping up to be a nightmare for Republicans.

They have thrown all in with Donald Trump, who lied to the American people, said he would lower their costs.

And he isn't doing it, but he can find money to the tune of billions of dollars for Argentina, hundreds of millions of dollars to build a fancier ballroom.

The voters of this country and this state see what is happening.

and they are voting like it.

And so I don't think Robin Voss wants to stick around to be minority leader or a backbencher.

I think he is going to take the fact that he is one of the longest serving speakers in American history in any state legislature and pack it in.

And good riddance is what I say.

And good luck voters in trying to express the rage that families are feeling because they were lied to.

if they supported Donald Trump.

And if they didn't, they are not seeing anything out of Washington DC that is making their lives better.

Pat Critello (host)

Yeah, nor out of Madison.

We're talking to Joseph Pecky.

And for example, State Senator Jesse James will be facing off.

He's a Republican against State Senator Jeff Smith, a Democrat in a newly redrawn district.

And it was Jesse James who, you know, promised to help with the $15 million that had been budgeted for the Chippewa Valley for their, you know, for the hospitals that closed and addressing the health care crisis there.

Then he got nothing done there.

And another example back in the Assembly would be Representative Scott Krug.

who was talking big at the bar about getting Monday processing of absentee ballots.

And yet yesterday, when it came time to support an amendment on a bill by Representative Lee Snodgrass that would have allowed the processing of absentee ballots, the Republicans all shot it down and got crude excuse was, well, I'm smart enough to know I've been married twice and I have six kids.

I don't always get everything that I want.

Well, there's a real fighter for absentee ballot processing or anything else.

What does that even mean?

It

Joseph Pecky

doesn't mean

Pat Critello (host)

anything.

Joseph Pecky

What is being married twice and having six kids have to do it?

These people.

Pat Critello (host)

I know.

All right, well, let's

Let's carry on to other matters here.

There was a bill that would lead to an expansion of online sports gambling if done through Wisconsin Tribal Nations.

And that bill was put on pause with Majority Leader Tyler August saying that he still expects the votes to be there, but that it won't happen until at least January.

But a lot of people thought that that thing was rushing right on through.

And I would say, pardon the pun, but don't bet on this bill just yet.

Joseph Pecky

I'm okay with that.

That may surprise you, Pat, but I think we need to have a real conversation in this state and in this country about the removal of friction between people and the ability to gamble.

For all of the talk in years past about crises in sports,

the conversation has been totally upside down.

There are like 12 transgender athletes playing college sports in the entire country.

Meanwhile, you know, kids as young as 16 are figuring out ways to, with their parents' phone or with lying about their age, just go online and spend all day betting on things that are ridiculous, right?

Is Russell Westbrook gonna have over under six and a half rebounds?

This is a

real cultural challenge that we have.

And we need to take our time to make sure we get this right.

There have to be safeguards in place.

I think with things like gambling, you need to have a little bit of friction.

And by friction, what I mean is you used to have to go to a casino.

Pat Critello (host)

It's

Joseph Pecky

a place of bet.

You had to decide you wanted to do it, and then get in the car and go, and that creates lots of opportunities for people to think, but do I really need to gamble away my paycheck on something that I have no control over?

And the erasure of that friction, I think, is part of the economic anxiety that people are feeling right now.

So I have no problem with putting a pause on that one.

We cannot just keep saying yes to all this stuff before we have an actual conversation about it.

Pat Critello (host)

Yeah, Joseph Becky with us now at 845 on this Thursday morning.

Another bill that didn't pass.

We heard a lot from from Sheila Everhart of the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.

This is about so-called wedding barns.

There was a long overdue overhaul of liquor laws in Wisconsin, how, you know, distributing alcohol, you know, beer, wine and spirits through from the brewers and distillers to the distributors to the retailers.

And that all got done, except that the folks who

these wedding venues and special events venues felt like they got the short end of the stick and they were really hoping for a follow-up bill that would have allowed them to continue holding events without needing to jump through all kinds of hoops for new liquor licenses.

But that was not taken up and Sheila sent us a note saying it's a sad day for Wisconsin agricultural event venues and then of course there was a Trampolo County judge yesterday.

who ruled against these wedding barns because of what the current law says.

And I'm just here to say that this is...

This is a real education, Joe, in the legislative process when it does not necessarily cut along partisan lines.

I think this is very much, you know, people who are in rural districts versus urban districts that are feeling pressure one way or the other from all of their bars and liquor stores versus all of their their wedding venues.

I mean, this one is a true example of grassroots democracy.

And we're going to hear more about this in 2026, I'm sure.

Joseph Pecky

We should.

And you know, the three-tier system that you just described in terms of the alcohol industry was due for an update and they got that done.

What I would ask folks to think about is the people who own and operate these barns and these farms at a time when there is no soybean market for U.S.

grown soybeans anymore, when there are hurdle after hurdle to things like using some of your land to

put up solar panels or wind turbines to try and generate revenue that way.

We are in a farm, a family farm, especially crisis in this state and in this country.

We need to ensure that folks have the opportunity to have additional revenue streams and opening up the barn for a wedding venue or for parties or reunions is a common sense way to help local economies, especially in smaller communities.

and the inability to get this done for years now.

I mean, this is not a six months long debate.

This

Cindy from Appleton (caller)

has been

Joseph Pecky

going on for years.

And the inability of politicians to get it done is part of why people are so damn frustrated with the state of our politics.

This should not be this difficult, period.

Pat Critello (host)

No, it shouldn't.

These venues, wedding bars and things, say, hey, look, we're not open 365 days a year, but we'll do about 18 to 24 weddings a year or events because there's only so much nice weather in the state.

But under the current law, they can only operate once a month, a maximum of six times a year.

And that's not going to cut it.

So some of these places are saying without a change in the law, they're facing going out of business.

And I don't think we're looking to push, we shouldn't be looking to push world businesses out of business here in the state of Wisconsin.

We're talking to Joseph Peckie.

We'll continue the conversation, have some final news and notes from Lake Wissota coming up in just a bit.

First, a reminder again, you can sign up for our newsletters, UpNorthNewsWI.com.

And in terms of sports, well, there's a couple of things going on Friday.

There's Badger Men's basketball at BYU coverage begins at 2.30.

And then there's Badger Men's

hockey on a couple of stations, coverage begins 7 p.m.

Badger men's hockey at Michigan State.

I'm Pat Critello, this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Matt Nair on air is coming up next and they might have a little bit more to say Jane Madden air and Greg Bach about a little bit of breaking business news out of Madison where exact sciences a Madison company focusing on early cancer detection and personalized treatments is being acquired by Abbott in a 23 billion dollar deal

A press release says it will enhance Abbott's presence in the cancer diagnostics segment.

Shareholders of Exact Sciences will receive $105 a share, total equity value of $21 billion under the agreement.

The acquisition will generate more than three

billion in revenue this year.

Exact Sciences Chair and CEO Kevin Conroy said it makes a statement about how Exact Sciences can accelerate our mission of eradicating cancer.

He thanked their 7,000 team members noting quote, their journey has just begun.

I don't mean to sound cynical, but when two big companies come together for some of those folks that journey might not include future employment, that's just the when you're spending.

billions of dollars, you're looking for duplication wherever you can.

Back to our conversation now with Joseph Pecky, who knows a thing or two about how these business things work, but mostly the business of what's happening in Madison and in Washington DC.

Joe, we're in Washington this week.

We saw just some amazing flip flops, first by the president of the United States saying, sure, go ahead and

Pass a bill about the Epstein files and then every Wisconsin Republican basically every Republican Flipping because Donald Trump said it was was okay and you know Joe I Know I talk about the double standard a lot But I've never actually heard the word flip-flop this week out of anybody But I'll tell you what if it was a Democrat in the White House and Democrats in Congress boy We'd be we'd be hearing about this non-stop, but it's just another day and whatever the Donald says they're gonna do

Joseph Peck (guest)

I don't actually think it's a flip-flop.

I think it is weakness manifest.

It is the crumbling of an American presidency.

It is the introduction of the steamiest lame duck soup you've ever imagined because Trump folded.

And that is not what he likes to do.

And I will just say that one of the things that has always been most offensive

To me about Donald Trump Is how stupid he thinks we are and I don't I don't mean you and I right like he fine.

He thinks we're stupid the lack of respect The lack of belief in the intelligence of people who vote for him and have done so like three times is just nauseating that he can go from Enlisting the attorney general of the United States the FBI director other senior administration officials to haul

Republican members of Congress who had signed the discharge petition into the situation room to try to stop this vote from happening.

And then when he can't do that, he can't intimidate somebody out of being for transparency and for exposing what may be a whole ring of pedophiles.

And then in the next breath,

go, yeah, I've always been for transparency on the Epstein files.

He thinks the people that voted for him are stupid, and I don't, and you don't, and Democrats don't.

We may disagree with some choices you've made.

We may have different ideas about how to make this country even better, but we never think as little of the intelligence of Trump voters.

as Donald Trump does.

And I think that's my takeaway.

It's like, I'm sorry, folks.

I don't know how else to put it other than he thinks you're stupid and that you can't use your brain to put two thoughts together.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And the thing is, when there are Republicans that point this out and say, look, we should not be beholden to this guy.

We should treat him like any other Republican president.

Sometimes we're going to have disagreements with him.

And now I mean, anybody dares say that it's right away.

Well, we got to primary this person.

We've got I mean, because they haven't fallen in line for simply speaking their truth.

And that's just not allowed in today's Republican Party.

Joseph Peck (guest)

Well, the Republican Party may be changing before our very eyes.

I really mean, I mean, the floor is dropping out of Trump's support.

He can't, you know,

bend Congress to his will anymore.

And what Republicans just saw is like, you can take this guy on and win.

And that could actually be scarier in terms of what Trump will do from here on out.

But it is a good thing for the health of the Republican Party if they can figure out how to push back on the worst excesses.

And so here's my friendly suggestion for Republican members of Congress from Wisconsin.

You just saw

Tom Massie and other Republicans fight this president and win on something like the Epstein files.

How about the six Republican members of Congress from Wisconsin fight this president on the tariffs that are hammering Wisconsin's agricultural economy, hammering family farms.

Take him on.

You can beat him.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

But if Republicans stood up and said put an end to this madness with the tariffs, that would be good for Wisconsin farmers.

i don't think they'll do it but they should try

Pat Crightlow (host)

they won't but it is such a gimme joe that i know that derrick van orton not necessarily tom tiffani he's in the tank there is there is no way he's putting any daylight between himself and trump but a guy who talks big like derrick van orton would have been the perfect person a congressperson relatively new from western wisconsin to say no sir

This is what my farmers need in this very large agricultural district.

And instead, he was on TV again this week, making excuses for the tariffs.

That is the last thing that that district needs.

Joseph Peck (guest)

Yeah, if you're tough enough to be a Navy SEAL, if you are tough enough to, even in your older age, ride a motorcycle from La Crosse to Washington, DC, you are tough enough to stand up to a president of your own party and say, no, this is wrong.

But apparently Derek Van Orden isn't that tough anymore.

That's

Pat Crightlow (host)

my

Joseph Peck (guest)

takeaway

Pat Crightlow (host)

on it.

Yeah.

Well, he likes to talk tough if it's about, you know, Democrats, but that doesn't get anything done for him.

For him to get something done, he's got to stand up to a fellow Republican that's going the wrong way on a very important issue.

Joseph Peck, thank you.

Happy Thanksgiving.

We'll talk to you in a couple of weeks.

Sounds good.

Enjoy.

All right.

And thanks to all of you for joining us on this Thursday morning.

Of course, we'll have a regular week and review panel coming up tomorrow.

Dr. Kristen Lierly as well as we get set to head into this opening weekend of gun deer season.

Hope all you hunters out there travel safe and have a successful hunt as well.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

Enjoy the rest of your Thursday.

We'll see you bright and early six a.m.

Back here tomorrow morning up north.

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