Tone It Down (Hour 3)

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Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6 on a Thursday morning.

It's October 16 2025.

Another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake Wissota from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or Facebook or YouTube or podcast or website.

However you got here.

It's really nice of you to start Thursday morning with us here.

I got a question for you.

You got that Halloween costume yet?

This is your two week warning.

Halloween is

two weeks from tomorrow.

So you got to get going if you want to get ready for that.

It's one of several fall like chores that we can do in the coming days here, because we've definitely made the seasonal transition time to get stuff off the deck or, you know, put the plants, you know, put the pots and everything away, just all the housework that's got to be done before we jump chuck full into fall and start looking for those first snowflakes.

Yeah, I know.

We're talking about snowflakes already here.

It's not unheard of.

Again, I still have PTSD about the Halloween Blizzard of 1991.

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Coming up today, we're going to be talking to Cindy Greening.

She's a Chippewa Valley-based organizer.

One of many organizers of the many rallies that are going to be held around the state and around the country come Saturday.

Millions of Americans are going to be taking time to give their two cents on what it is they think about having a presidential administration that would much rather behave like a monarch than the leader of a democracy.

I mean, we have a

a president, well a convicted criminal, who again yesterday in the Oval Office, flanked by the Attorney General and the FBI Director, called for the prosecution and trial of his political opponents without any crime whatsoever, without saying they committed a crime, they did this, they did that, I want them behind bars, he said, he says in so many words, he wants them investigated and jailed.

That's not what we do.

in this country.

We go after people who actually broke the law, like the convicted felon in the Oval Office right now.

And when they start using language like that, when they start using language like, you know, their political opponents are domestic terrorists, and that, you know, these are nothing more than paid agitators that are going to be in the streets this weekend.

which is insulting to the millions of ordinary folks who just want to express their points of view.

It really threatens the health of our democracy overall and we will talk to Joseph Pecky about that during the course of the day as well.

We'll also ask why would you even jokingly make a reference to ICE about

somebody in this day and age.

Something that happened at the Brewers Dodgers game the the other night.

And we'll get into that story as well.

We'll talk to Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets, Chad Holmes will be along, James Kelly will talk about some of the stories that he's following up in the Chippewa Valley.

And Parker Olson is producing everything down in Madison, where he's looking at comments on Facebook like from Roger, and Steven's point saying I was thinking of dressing up as Pat Crite low for Halloween.

That's good luck with that one.

That's the low effort type of thing that I need for a Halloween costume

Wait a minute.

How do I feel about this?

It's a low effort to look like me Well first off you got to get you got to get the TV hair or the game show host hair whatever whatever this is Let's

be let's be honest Pat the difference between you and I is just the years

Well, there is that and and you're you're still

able to wear shirts like that with horizontal stripes, whereas some of us get to a certain age and heft that it's not in our best interest.

So we wear these plaids and patterns and things like that.

I've got a bunch of flannels too,

Pat.

See, you and I pretty similar haircuts.

I might have to dye my hair.

That's fine.

We have

pretty much used to mine used to be a lot darker than this.

But still,

we have

pretty similar glasses.

But can you pull off, you know,

Can you pull off the sarcasm?

Can you pull off the passive aggressiveness when you get to a door and go, you know, trick or treat, you can give me candy if you want.

I mean, I don't care.

I'm old.

I got to go take a nap.

Are you going to give me candy or not?

You know, if you can do that, then yeah, this could work for you.

Okay, maybe I'll do that because you know.

I

am almost frightened at what I have uncovered here because if Dr. Lierly we're listening right now and she and a few other people were to take up this challenge, I

Might have to crawl under a rock by the time I get done hearing everybody's impression of me when this is all said and done Thanks, Roger for that I Need I needed that like a hole in the head Anyway, so think about that and I always put

next to no effort into a Halloween costume.

It's

always something

really slapped together at the last minute.

So I appreciate the people that put a lot of thought into it.

We're going to talk to Sharita Booker at a few minutes here about events happening around Wisconsin this weekend.

And I understand her daughter is very hardcore Halloween, you know, and so we'll ask her about that coming up in just a bit as well.

And then of course, we've got the baseball.

coming back we've got it's it's this afternoon or early this evening if you want 430 the pregame begins out of Los Angeles Brewers Dodgers on several civic media stations as the Brewers try to crawl out of an O2 hole and as we just heard from Mike Clemens in his sports update we got to get Christian Yelich out of that slump

I mean, it's a bad one.

And Pat Murphy was right talking about how they are chasing pitches that they usually have more discipline to not chase.

And this, you know, again, we've had concern about the pitchers all throughout the season because of injuries and things like that.

But every so often it's the Brewers hitters who like suddenly just get either amnesia or they get bamboozled or something.

And they need to step it up tonight.

It feels a little different this time, exclusively during this season.

I'm not talking about previous years, because in previous years, this is exactly how our offense was.

But right now, it feels like our offense is just not putting balls in play hardly at all.

And in previous months this year, when the offense had been slumping, it's been like, God, we keep hitting the ball so hard.

But we keep

hitting it directly at right at people.

And it's happened a few times in these first two games of the series.

And don't get me wrong, I mean, batters line out all the time.

It just it just seems like much more than usual, where they just nail the ball, but not into the gap,

but

instead right into somebody's club like they don't even have to take a step.

No, and that's just that's just unfortunate.

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All right, as far as what happened at Game 2 at American Family Field.

I just have to ask, why would you even jokingly use the phrase call ice unless you're either thoroughly racist or thoroughly stupid?

Well, whichever one she is, a Milwaukee woman is out of a job over her less than classy comeback to an annoying Dodgers fan at Tuesday night's game.

And he was.

video was hecklers fans though, I guess he himself was heckled initially, after Jackson churs lead off home run.

So there was definitely some back and forth.

But to the point where in his own annoying way, this woman was just staring at him in a way like you see in all the memes.

And I'm sorry, Karen, I know there's a lot of good Karen's out there that wouldn't do this.

But this is what

This is exactly what the stereotype looks like and Most women named Karen aren't dumb enough to say to the guy next to her.

Let's call ice While the man is clearly taking video of her She calls him the P word for his choice of beverage because it wasn't manly enough for her She reports him to security and has him escorted out

Here's a guy in Wisconsin on a business trip from California decides to go see his favorite team, gets a little annoying, gets kicked out, gets called, you know, names by this, uh, burgers fan, and is, uh, you know, made the point of a joke, I guess, about call ice.

So he was having a bad day.

Hers got worse because of course the video went to social media.

Of course it was seen by all kinds of people.

And of course she is now out of a job.

And she is off the board of a statewide charity.

When you can't offer up a comeback that doesn't include some degree of a racial reference or a reference to government intimidation and arrest, could I offer up the following advice?

Shut up.

I mean, there's so many ways to make a comeback that's related to sports to about

the team.

And yeah, if your team is losing, it's frustrating.

Parker, we have been to these places, we have we have been in crowds, where we have seen people, you know, misbehave after a few drinks, the brewers have have a whole character designed around him, the two fisted sloppers.

That video they used to play at county stadium.

And now there's like retro t shirts of this guy, those big guy in the t shirt and the two beers being annoying.

We get it.

Try to try to keep a race out of it.

Okay.

I mean, and gender, why are you calling somebody the P word in a big crowd like that?

Yeah, it's rough when your team is losing, but my goodness.

And the guy from California do is credit was like, yeah, I was a little annoying.

And by the way, all the other brewers fans, we were going back and forth, but we were great.

I had a great time.

He said, you'd love to come back.

Is everybody except her?

Yeah, no, there is a very easy way to tell if somebody's going too far and sports banter.

And that's when everyone is having fun.

Just don't I mean and especially if you know that there's there's video there I mean you don't have to be trained in TV or radio like us to know You know your behavior whether you like it or not

is

always out there as

park as

bone up means that.

So I'd better be on my best behavior and hit this commercial break on time.

So it's time for me to say from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota.

Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

All right, we're back now on a Thursday morning.

Let's see what we can, what kind of trouble can we get in this weekend?

You know, the good kind where you get in the car, put the family in and head someplace.

If you're in the Milwaukee area, we'll start our list there because down in the Milwaukee area is our friend, Sharita Booker, social media manager here at Up North News.

Sharita, good morning.

How are you?

Good morning, Pat.

How are you?

I'm good.

Thanks.

Are you a Halloween person?

We're about to talk about boo at the zoo.

I love Halloween.

It's like one of my favorite holidays and I just love to like spend the month of October watching like a bunch of scary movies.

Really?

Yes.

Both of my girls, I could call them girls in their mid 30s now, both of my girls were born in the days running up to Halloween.

you know, in the last week of October, a couple years apart.

And so, yeah, Halloween has always been a big fun holiday for them as well.

They cannot believe they have a dad who is not as big a Halloween fan.

But,

you know, my birthday's by the 4th of July.

What are you gonna do?

So, let's come back to the Halloween lovers who want to go to Boo at the Zoo.

And that's this weekend and next weekend.

Tell us more.

Yep.

I was just gonna say that.

It's Friday through Sunday from 5.30 to 9.00 p.m.

And this is a family-fun event where you'll find a trick-or-treat trail through Adventure Africa, the Harvest Haystack Maze, the Gourd Gallery with hundreds of carved pumpkins, tons of light displays, and you can even stop by Mad Science in Milwaukee for some Halloween experiments.

Kids are encouraged to wear their costume.

Parents, if you want to wear one too, feel free.

Most of the indoor animal buildings will be open, so you can visit the big cats, reptiles, et cetera.

And if you can't make it this weekend, like Pat said, for the first time ever, they're actually doing it.

next week or the following weekend.

So it's a double weekend.

So if you want to get down there, take your kids and head to Milwaukee and get your tickets at Milwaukee Zoo.org.

That of

course is the Milwaukee County Zoo, Milwaukee Zoo.org.

Do you think they're taking their cue from Summerfest, which moved to a, you know, three weekend deal that maybe now they're like, well, let's do a couple of different weekends of this.

Maybe that'll get the crowds up and I'll bet it would work too.

Yeah, why not?

And like, I think there's several times where there's something I miss one weekend, but I'm like, if they do it again, I'll definitely go that time.

So give people more opportunities here.

Yeah, no, I think that's a great idea.

All right, let's head all the way up to Sister Bay now.

Again, so many fall festivals going on.

And we'll talk about some of the others, you know, over the course of the today and tomorrow.

But let's talk about the one in Sister Bay going on this weekend.

Yep, that fall fest kicks off tomorrow and runs through Sunday.

It's a weekend full of family fun with live music from local favorites like the Cougars, the Glam Band, Seth Brown Band, The Deep End, and more.

You'll find plenty of great food from fish boils and barbecue to load of mac and cheese and chili, cheese curds, and other Door County favorites.

There will also be over 100 vendors at the Arts and Crafts Fair, plus a kids carnival with bouncy houses, pumpkin bowling, and a ferris wheel.

The fall fest

Parade kicks off Saturday morning at 11 and the fun wraps up Sunday with the Derby Race and the kids ping pong drop.

For more information about that, visit sisterbay.com.

Have

you ever been to a fish boil?

No, I've heard about them.

We've posted about that on our phone before.

Yeah, and I never have.

frankly didn't know much about it until that season of Top Chef that was done in Milwaukee and then they recreated a Door County fish boil.

So I'm rather intrigued and so naturally that's part of what's happening in Sister Bay this weekend that folks can take part in.

Now let's go over to another corner of the state up near the Minnesota border to Osceola and Dresser where you can go on a little train ride.

Yep, and that's the Pumpkin Express and it's leaving the station in Osceola starting tomorrow and it's heading to the Dresser Junction Depot and Pumpkin Patch.

This will be taking place all weekend, so when you arrive at the Pumpkin Patch, kids can pick out their very own pumpkin and the whole family can enjoy live music.

games, hay rides, face painting, bouncy houses, food trucks, and a little flea market.

Your ticket includes the round trip ride, all day admission to the festival at the pumpkin patch, and a free pumpkin for every kid.

Just make sure to arrive at the Isiola Depot about 30 minutes before your scheduled trip to check in and pick up your boarding passes.

Adult tickets are $35, kids ages to six to 17 are $29, and kids ages three to five are $20.

Or you can get a family of four bundle for $120.

And if you want to get your tickets ahead of time, you can go to train,

train ride.org.

train

ride.org.

It's going to be gorgeous, I bet with, you know, the leaves changing colors and nothing better than a train ride.

This is an eight mile, roughly an eight mile track.

And if you're not familiar with Osceola, if you know Hudson on I 94 at the Minnesota border, it is about 30 miles north of there.

So definitely something worth checking out.

Are you doing anything this weekend to like prep for Halloween?

Like

Like I am, I'm eating the first bag of candy and then going and purchasing a new one.

Funny you asked.

Um, tomorrow is my daughter's school's, um, monster match.

They have it every year and she's so excited for it.

So I had to make sure like I had to get our, um, Georgie costume from eight and I had to make sure I expressed that overnight because we waited till the last minute and I forgot about the dance.

So.

You're talking already.

Your daughter wants to be Georgie from it.

She wants to be Georgie from it and her best friend is going to be it.

So they got a little pair of costume.

That's so Halloweeny.

It is.

That is crazy.

No princess costumes here.

No, my daughter does not do any princess costumes.

It's like zombie stuff, which is last year she was Freddie Krueger like she wants to be scary.

That is so embracing the season.

That is awesome.

Sharita Booker tells us about these events and then of course she posts all kinds of things on our social media feeds and of course just search for Up North News WI on whichever social media platform you prefer.

Sharita, thank you very much.

Have a great start to the weekend.

You too, Pat.

And I really have to compliment Rita's daughter for that commitment to Halloween.

I mean others want to go with the the funny stuff for the princess stuff or whatever.

She's like, no, it's Halloween.

She's going to be the scary creatures all the time.

That's the point.

Right.

By the way, Sharita mentioned one of the activities that involves trains.

There's actually a couple of others going on this weekend as well.

The Great Pumpkin Train is at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay on Saturday.

The Mid-Continent Railway Museum Pumpkin Special runs in North Freedom.

on Saturday and Sunday.

There's also Pumpkin Palooza in downtown New London on Saturday afternoon.

Green Lake has their Oktoberfest, Elkhorn Oktoberfest is on Saturday, and Prairie du Chien's Oktoberfest is happening from now through Saturday.

TravelWisconsin.com has a lot of these events and more.

All right, today's history lesson is coming up next, including the song Disco Duck and its place in pop music chart history.

That's all on the way.

I'm Pat Krightlow live from the lake.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

We are going to kick off today's history lesson with a little Stevie Wonder because his landmark LP, Songs in the Key of Life was number one on the album chart this day in 1976.

49 years ago this week, Songs in the Key of Life.

Get it.

It's not in your collection already.

On this day in 1793, Queen Marie Antoinette was executed.

I don't know.

Is it apocryphal?

Did you actually say

let the meat cake

no i'm pretty sure that's made up i don't know what the like origin of that is though

that's a good question you know i

And again, keep in mind, it's the French Revolution.

There was a big up swell, you know, ground swell against the the upper crust, you know, who kind of looked down their noses at the rest of the people.

You know, they are there up there on their golden toilets and their skyscrapers.

Oh, wait, I got my family's opinion.

That's

that was

exactly like Lane does.

Exactly.

On this day in 1916, Margaret Sanger opened up the first family planning clinic in the US.

On this day in 1978, it was a landmark day for Roman Catholics around the world when Cardinal Carol Woltia of Poland was elected and took the name Pope John Paul II.

It made him the first non-Italian pontiff since 1523.

on this day back in 1978.

400 year

drought.

That's not too bad.

That's

almost.

That's that's like Cubs fans.

I can relate to that.

You know, you know, there's um, I saw an incredible stat the other day about how many wins Notre Dame gets in the year that a Pope dies.

That's a obscure stat.

It's incredibly obscure.

Four of the last five times that a pope has died during a year, Notre Dame has had nine wins.

Who even thinks to go looking for that?

That's crazy.

Wow.

All right.

I learned something today.

All right, now you're all about to learn something about novelty songs, because the number one song, we just told you that Stevie Wonder had the number one album this day in 1976.

The number one single was by a disc jockey by the name of Rick D's.

Oh, you can see Parker Robinson along with this.

It's got a

good beat, you can get into it.

So

yeah, a goofy little number that envisions Donald Duck enjoying the spoils of the disco era.

And it is noteworthy because it is the last novelty song to hit number one in the country.

Which might tell you something about the taste of Americans back in 1976, but I would argue that, in fact, there have been

Only been four novelty songs since that time, since Disco Duck.

Only four novelty songs to even get into the top 10.

They were Short People by Randy Newman.

That got to number two the next year, 1977.

Remember Barbie Girl from 1997?

In a Barbie World?

In a Barbie World.

That went to number seven on the charts in 1997.

Weird Al Jankovic's White and Nerdy from 2006.

Got to number nine on the charts.

And I can't, what does the Fox say?

Some

novelty songs are like, I don't even know

how.

Who said, who got the idea to release this?

But what does the Fox say?

Got to be the number six song in the country back in 2013.

It

really bothers me how much of a landmark what does the Fox say is in like the time that I was in school.

And that's what you have.

That's, that's your.

That's your one thing in the area of novelty songs that charted.

I'm looking at the long history of novelty songs and things like Monster Mash, that's something that you play every Halloween.

It was a number one record back around this time in 1962.

There's the Surfin' Bird, there's King of the Road, I'm Henry VIII.

Johnny Cash is a boy named Sue that counts as a as a novelty song.

There was Jerry Reads when you're hot, you're hot.

Jim Stafford had spiders and snakes, Ray Stevens had the streak.

And you just don't see that much anymore.

And I, I don't know if it's because you can do funny things with music on social media, you can make a funny TikTok or something.

Or is it that radio stations have become so corporatized that they don't want to take a chance and play a novelty song?

Because there's also the very real possibility somebody will be offended by that disco song.

Hey, I like ducks.

I'm offended that that duck might be doing disco numbers.

It could

be that.

Disco is famously incredibly divisive.

Yes.

There's convoy by CW McCall all about the truckers and their CB radios.

Larry Gross had junk food junkie.

That was a funny one in the 70s about the health food trends that are out there.

So songwriters, let's step it up a bit.

Let's get let's get on the funny.

Okay.

It makes me a little sad that business time isn't in this.

Have you ever heard business time by light of

the Concord?

Yeah, it could be there.

It's

Is it is part of it a little too suggestive?

Now that you mentioned it, I saw it at the Concords.

Yes, they I'm a little surprised their stuff didn't really chart.

Yeah, because

again, not everybody's heard of them.

And if you haven't flight of the Concords and Concord is a C O N C H O R D right.

And it's a it's a funny little parody show and parody songs, whatever you want to call it.

And worth a watch a little a little cringey at times.

But funny stuff.

You know how I heard that song for the first time?

I went to a concert that one of my professors was doing.

Oh my.

And he performed it.

It was very funny.

Oh my.

I was just looking up the lyrics.

Is that the one with the team building exercise 99 t-shirt that's on there?

Yeah, it's it's a it's a little.

Oh, you know what?

It's kind of Austin powers.

He it almost maybe felt like an Austin powers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, baby, you know, but anyway, definitely worth a listen.

If you're if you're not familiar with it.

Back to the history lesson.

Happy birthday to flee from the red hot chili peppers who is 63 today.

So he was born Michael Balseri in Melbourne, Australia, where Michael B. His nickname was originally Mike B. The Flea from his manic energy as he's always jumping around.

And how long does that last?

You know, and you're just all the time jumping around.

At what point do you go toe his knees start to hurt?

Yeah, something like that.

So I don't know how how these knees are feeling this day, but he is 63 years old today.

Fred Turner, the vocalist and bassist for Bachman Turner Overdrive.

Fred Turner is 82 years old today.

Bob Weir, founding member of the Grateful Dead.

He is 78 years old today.

And this is the anniversary of the birth of actress Suzanne Summers from Threes Company back in the day.

She was born in 1946.

She passed away two years ago, one day before her 77th birthday.

Talking about Bob, we're in the Grateful Dead.

We now have to talk about, and I still cannot believe I'm making this, connecting these dots.

We're talking about the Grateful Dead.

Let's talk about John Mayer, who is 48 years old today.

This doesn't sound Grateful Dead at all, does it?

So my question is once John Mary got involved with the Grateful Dead and is basically, you know, a regular part of the group now, does he stop performing his top 40 hips?

Or is he like the opening act for himself?

Does he come out and do some of the, you know, the boppy little numbers and then does trucking and other things by the dead?

I don't know.

That's a really good point.

I never thought of that.

Well, I don't know why I've never thought to ask Dan Schumacher, resident Grateful Dead expert.

Let's go for one.

Yeah, he would know if anybody would.

On this day in 1972, the group Credence Clearwater Revival called it quits, announcing in a press release, we don't regard this as breaking up.

We look at it as an expansion of our activities.

That's certainly one way to look at it.

I guess.

But the fans never did get back together.

And John Fogarty, of course, emerged with a successful solo career all on his own.

And on this day in 2012, Darius Rucker was inducted into the Grand Ole Opry, becoming just the third Black American to join the club following DeFord Bailey, a founding member and harmonica player back in 1925, and singer Charlie Pryde in 1993.

Oh, by the way, in terms of talking about Creedence Clearwater Revival breaking up and saying, we just don't feel like doing it anymore.

That's my reminder that we're going to talk about Billy Joel tomorrow.

in the history segment.

There's going to be a lot of Billy Joel talk tomorrow because now that I've seen the five-hour documentary that Greg Bach was adamant that I go see, that I see, and Greg Bach will be here tomorrow.

So you're just going to listen to two old rock and rollers talking about Billy Joel.

And we're going to talk a lot about his music and his eventual decisions say, you know what?

I'm done.

The tank is empty.

I've got no more songs to write.

This got to be almost liberating to get to that point and go, you know what?

I'm done.

I've made enough money, especially in this case.

He had to make all of his money back after a previous manager ripped it all off.

He had to go make the money all over

again.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh,

yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I know that it's really kind of the musicians don't own their music.

They don't.

He signed a bad deal the first time when he was very young.

He didn't own any of the publishing rights or anything.

And then he got ripped off when he got to be really wealthy and did not pay attention to where the money was going until it was nearly gone.

So yeah, we'll talk a lot about that tomorrow when Greg Mock is here.

What do we have on the National Day calendar today?

His National Bosses Day, which is very unfortunate that Luke Mathers is here.

I

was going to say, if the handsome and capable Luke Mathers were only here.

Yeah,

a little bummer.

I guess he's taken the day.

Well, and he's deserved that day because he is handsome and capable.

And we hope that he'll come back safely and play with us on the radio some

more.

Possibly more

handsome.

What else do we have?

Do you have any bosses that for National Bosses Day past bosses, I

mean,

that you actually would get them a little something because they were such a good boss or do you remember a particular bad boss more than anything else?

Um, or maybe you just haven't had enough bosses.

I haven't had enough bosses.

I will qualify my advisor, faculty advisor at the student newspaper in whitewater.

I will qualify him as a boss.

He was good.

I would get him something.

I haven't seen him in a while.

I know I've had a bad boss or two, but I really just kind of put them in the, in the rear view mirror and then I snapped the mirror off.

So you just kind of, you just kind of move on from there.

What else on the calendar today?

We have also got National Veterans Barbecue Day.

So if you're a veteran, I guess you're supposed to barbecue today, or maybe we're supposed to make you barbecue.

I don't really know how this works.

Was there not an explanation given next to this or?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, it's National Veterans Barbecue Day.

Take it in one way or another.

Any others?

It is Global

Cat Day.

Also, National Feral Cat Day.

And do you know why today is National Feral Cat Day?

Because it's our reminder that

All cats should be feral.

That's Pat Crite-Lowe's opinion.

What are they doing in your house?

They're destroying things.

They're making your visitors get itchy and sneezy when they all actually just want to be outside.

And they'll come up to the back door, the front door now, and then for a little saucer of milk.

You know, maybe a little, but don't be putting cat food out for them.

I mean,

There's still mice out there in the world, you know, and all kinds of other critters that they can get.

So today should be National Cat Liberation Day is really what they meant when they say today is National Feral Cat Day.

It's open the door, set them free.

I

didn't know you're so anti domestic cat.

I'm

not anti domestic cat.

They just like I'm channeling their voices to all of you out there saying let us free.

Let us out.

Maybe Pat Crite low speaker of cats.

All right, speaking just for myself on there.

Cindy Greeny, who's helping organize the No Kings protests this weekend is coming up in our next hour.

I'm Pat Crite low.

You're up north.

Further details now from the National Day Calendar National Veterans Barbecue Day.

There's a holiday meant for celebrating our local veterans in a pleasant friendly way by cooking them some barbecue or taking them out for a barbecued meal.

Oh, there you go.

So treat your veterans too.

Yes, steak houses also participate by treating veterans and those still in service with complimentary meals.

So there you go cook.

I mean,

cook for a veteran would be just fine.

But yeah, invite one over.

I would be a little hesitant to because whoever that veteran is would no doubt watch me, you know, barbecue and go, you're doing that wrong.

Here, let me let me just step aside.

I got this.

Not good at barbecue, huh?

No, no, I think I'm just fine.

But yeah.

Oh, dad.

Okay, anyway, what do we got in entertainment news today?

Entertainment news.

We've actually got a couple of baseball related things here.

The Fister Hotel in Milwaukee is famously a little haunted.

It's famously

allegedly a little haunted.

The Dodgers were staying there, I think, which is pretty normal.

I think most teams stay at the Fister when they visit the Burrers.

pretty much all visiting teams do because it's a lovely

old hotel.

It's great.

I've never stayed in it, but I've been it a couple of times.

I haven't.

It's it's lovely, but it's got this reputation.

So it's allegedly haunted and Teosco Hernandez and his wife switched hotels because they were hearing footsteps and apparently lights were going on and off.

Oh, gosh.

That's their words.

I don't know.

But the guy from.

Ghost Adventures, Zach, is it Bangans?

I don't know his name.

He says that he can come and get rid of the ghosts and it's no laughing matter, Pat.

He advises players not to communicate with the spirits because it can do more harm than good.

Hopefully.

Okay.

All right.

Well, far be it from me to.

Judge whether somebody believes they've been exposed to the paranormal, except for the whole notion of there's no such thing as the paranormal.

But other than that, you know, who am I to judge?

Because if you leave the fister, well, that's one more room that's available for me the next time I go down to Milwaukee or something like that, because it's a lovely place anyway.

All

right.

What else we got?

Also baseball related and also Pope related actually going back to earlier.

Somebody yelled Go Cubs at Pope Leo, who is famously a White Sox fan, and he yelled back, they lost.

Oh my gosh, so why are you trolling the Pope?

Holy, holy cow, as Harry Carey would say.

Look, Cubs fans are frankly just, hey, Americans, he's the Pope, he's not, you don't yell.

Go Cubs or something like that, too.

Where's the reverence for somebody like that?

Honestly, God, you're making me feel like such a cranky old man now, but who yells Go Cubs at the Pope?

Settle down.

All right, well, anyway, he had a good comeback with They Lost, so good on Leo.

That's fine.

Good job from Da

Pope.

Okay, what else?

We've also got Kevin Federline is accusing Britney Spears in a new book that he's got coming out, I believe next week.

Kevin Federline.

Yes.

Britney Spears' ex-husband from way back when.

Yes.

Has a book coming out.

Yes.

Is it just simply a book saying, hey, you probably forgot about me.

My name's Kevin Federline.

I mean, what else has he got to say?

The book is

juicy stuff.

The book is titled You Thought You Knew.

And it is making some like kind of scary accusations about Britney Spears behavior, including standing outside their son's door at night holding a knife.

So yeah, it's another episode to the Britney Spears mental health guy.

Yeah, I believe and I can say this as an expert because I watched TMZ a lot of time.

I believe she is still estranged from her.

two sons and Yes has has a long history of erratic troubling behavior Now there is very much a case to be made that her conservatorship was extreme and needed to be modified but it was lifted more or less and Since since then

she has occasionally engaged in things that were, again, would be very troubling if you were somebody in her family, you know, that cared about her health and her well-being.

For Kevin Federline to be putting this into a book, you know, just kind of smacks of, yeah, I've run out of what little money I had being a backup dancer or whatever it was that Kevin

Federline- I believe so for Timberlake, I think.

And now feels the need to put this out, but

I'm also well aware that Britney Spears has her fans that, you know, like Beyonce and Swifties.

I mean, you go after, you know, their favorite and they're all coming after you.

So Kevin Fairline's in for a world of social media hurt, if nothing else, because, you know, Britney still has her fans out there.

But hey, if you've made money off the book, I guess go for it, right?

Sure.

Yeah.

I guess I just, I asked this in all honesty, who's buying that book besides, you know, like entertainment reporters.

Yeah, I really don't know.

Brittany Spears has come out and said that he's gaslighting and it's extremely hurtful what he's doing by releasing the stuff.

Yeah,

well, all right, sounds good.

Coming up in an hour from now in this segment, we'll be talking to James Kelly from Civic Media's Newsroom in Chippewa Falls about some of the stories that he's covering.

And we've got a bit of a Chippewa Valley focus coming up in our next hour when we talk to Cindy Greening.

Now, we've heard from Cindy before in reports from Selena Heller about the first round of No Kings Rallys back in June.

And she had a lot of great things to say about the

the diversity in the crowd.

It wasn't just a whole bunch of, you know, liberals.

There was a lot of moderates.

There were some Republicans in there who feel politically homeless with the current cabal that is running things in the grand old party.

And I don't doubt that Cindy is expecting a much broader turnout with even more people who are greatly concerned about this country, people who would like, like me, they'd like the old Republican party to come back again.

because there are all kinds of things of debates to be had about governing, but not about labeling your opponents as domestic terrorists.

So we'll talk all about that in the next hour of these mornings powered by Up on Earth News on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Nice to have you back here up north.

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We're going to be talking to Cindy Greening, who is one of the organizers of the many No Kings protests that will be taking place around Wisconsin in nearly 100 locations on Saturday.

And then there will be millions of people around the country who are protesting as well, the things that the Trump administration

has been doing for the past nine months here.

Rob from Tigerton says, good morning from Tigerton, cloudy and 46 degrees with a beautiful sunrise.

I'm going to have to take your word for it, Rob, because you're a little farther to the east than we are, so I haven't seen that sunrise yet, but it should be more to it.

We also forwarded a conversation with all kinds of folks, including

candidates who are going to be part of next year's race.

And, you know, we try to let them know that this is a place where they can come in anytime, say hello, let us know what kind of things they're up to on their many campaigns.

There are several candidates, for example, for governor.

And it's always nice when one of them is able to drop in and give us an update on their race.

And that is the case right now with State Senator Kelderoy's from Madison.

who is running for governor and was in the Chippewa Valley overnight and joins us from Eau Claire this morning.

Kelda, good morning.

How are you?

Good morning, Pat.

It's great to be with you.

It's good to see you as well.

I know you've had a long, busy day of travel.

No doubt meeting a lot of folks.

And of course, having to find time to make those phone calls as well that every candidate has to do.

Talk about some of your recent travels.

Yeah, well, it's been great.

Yesterday we were in Jackson County, talked to about two dozen very, very enthusiastic Democrats.

then went to the People's Protest in Eau Claire, and they've been continuously protesting for every week since Trump was inaugurated.

That was really inspiring to see the community support.

I was able to stop into the Eau Claire Leader Telegram and have an interview with Marshall Baumann there, and today I'll be at the Coffee Clege in Eau Claire, and then later on to Chippewa Falls, meeting with some union folks, and

uh finishing the night at rusk county's pizza and politics so it's a great fun itinerary and you can hear i'm a little hoarse because all i do is talk on the phone while we're in the car

absolutely you do i i this is very reminiscent for me of 2018 when i was helping out my friend Dana walks when he was running for governor you are just on the road constantly you're all the time talking to people uh and making new friends finding new donors telling

people about your positions and especially in a multiple candidate field, what

it is

about you, you know, that stands out.

And so

As far as the trip that you've been making right now, again, you're used to people knowing you around Madison.

You do have some statewide name ID, but there's always new people to meet out there.

So tell folks that you're going to meet some people for the first time today at the Eau Claire Democratic Party Coffee Clutch, something they do every week.

It's a great little informal conversation.

I've been there a few times myself.

So you want to give us your kind of your opening remarks to the people in that room that aren't familiar with you?

Sure.

I'm Kelda Royce.

I'm a Democratic candidate for governor, and I've been serving in the state Senate since 2020.

I previously served two terms in the assembly, but more importantly, I'm a small business owner, mom and stepmom of five.

I'm an attorney by trading, and I've been on the front lines in every progressive fight for about 25 years.

So whatever our legislative situation is in 2027, we're going to need a governor who's capable of things done.

And I have spent my professional life doing that in all kinds of tough situations.

I'm really passionate about public education, about economic opportunity, raising wages and lowering costs for things like housing and childcare, and making sure that every Wisconsinite has health care.

And these are going to be big, big fights that we're going to be up against in the next couple of years.

We also need a governor who's going to stand up to Trump and be unequivocal and honest about what he is doing.

to our country and our freedoms.

We're talking to State Senator Kelder Royce, Democratic candidate for governor who's visiting through the Chippewa Valley right now.

And let's talk about the field in the race and how things were changed last week with the decision by Attorney General Josh Call not to join the race for governor, but instead to run for a third term as State Attorney General.

Now there are impacts there not only on the governor's race on you and everybody else who'd already announced, but

Frankly, what it means for the state that Josh Call has decided to run for a third term and you know, perhaps serve as Attorney General for another four years.

What in your mind overall is the big impact of Josh Call deciding what he decided?

Well, the biggest impact is that Josh Call, who has been a great Attorney General for us and especially in this really dangerous Trump era, is going to be able to continue doing that.

I think

He understands more than anyone what is at stake and why we need a Democratic attorney general.

And at the end of the day, he is excellent at his job and he did not want to leave Wisconsin in a position where we'd be struggling to elect a new governor and a new attorney general at the same time, just because it is so essential that we have a Democratic governor to protect us from the harms of the Republican regime in Washington.

This is also why political predictions are dangerous and why we appreciate people listening to this show.

But don't ever wage your money based on the things that I say, because I would not have been surprised if Josh Call had gotten into the governor's race.

And when I told people when we'd have these conversations, my, my response was, and then Calderois is going to be a slam dunk attorney general, you know, for the state.

But again, it all depends on what, you know, people make their decisions the way that they do.

And so now, with

you

running for governor, I mean, there's still

One or two question marks out there, people looking at whether former Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes will be getting into the race.

You get the rumors about everybody, about Ron Kind and everybody else.

But from a broad standpoint, looking at this field, I notice a lot of similarities to 2018.

Lots of candidates.

And frankly, as much as you want to stand out, but talking about the field, there's not a

There's not a bad choice in the bunch.

This is a nice problem for voters to have to get to know you and everybody else in the race.

Absolutely.

A lot of these folks are friends of mine.

They're people that I've worked with in recent years.

folks I've mentored and so that's a great choice.

I mean there definitely are some issue areas where there's differences between the candidates among the candidates and we'll certainly I'm sure be talking about those as the race continues but yes I mean we do want to have robust primaries because I think it helps make our candidates stronger.

I will say I'm the only candidate in the race that's been through a primary before and so to have

had the opportunity as I have to travel throughout the state of Wisconsin, not just in 2018, but over the last five years in the state Senate.

And even beyond that, when I was the head of NREL Pro Choice Wisconsin, I've always made it a priority to get out of Madison, get out of Milwaukee and really connect with people around the state.

I think that's really, really important for our next governor.

And it's certainly going to be important for voters all around the state who are going to be participating in this primary.

There is one candidate who's running ads already that we can hear on our radio network, and we're not going to get into the particulars of every candidate.

But when candidate Ryan Sternad is running commercial saying, basically running as the blue collar candidate, he's a beer vendor at American Family Field and has the dirt under the fingernails aspect to it.

It always hits me because as somebody who has served in elected office and has covered elected officials for all these years,

It's not not work to have to do what you and other people do.

The work of representation, the work of legislating is very much a real job that requires real experience to do.

Yeah, I think that is one thing I've learned.

You know, I've run a successful small business for 13 years that I founded.

I'm an attorney by training.

I ran a statewide nonprofit focused on reproductive rights for four years.

But I do think that the most difficult things that I have learned over 25 years are how to get things done with people whom you don't agree with all the time.

And in Wisconsin, we are a purple state.

Everyone has good ideas.

Everyone has something to offer.

Not every idea is good.

But what I have learned is that if you are willing and capable of digging into the details, building relationships, and listening to people, you actually can get a lot done, even in situations that might seem politically very difficult.

I've had some of my biggest political victories on passing bills and policies.

in Republican legislatures.

And I think people would be surprised.

They'd say, oh, Calderois, she's from Madison.

She's, you know, she's a Democrat.

She's liberal.

She's an abortion rights supporter.

And they would be surprised to learn that I helped pass the first pro-choice law in 30 years.

Through an anti-choice Republican assembly before I was even ever elected to anything and you do you learn you kind of get Bruises and scars from these battles and you learn and you become better and you mature and I think You know my hope is that I'm always going to continue learning and becoming better But I feel like yes it is there are fundamental skill sets that you

learn over time doing this work.

And those are going to be really important as we think about who's going to lead the state in the coming years.

Senator Kelder Royce candidate for governor is our guest.

Now contrast what you just said about your experience and having to work across the aisle to potentially get things done.

Contrast that with one.

potential opponent and that would be Congressman Tom Tiffany on the Republican side and running for governor and where again, he'll say well, I was in the state Senate and now I've served in Congress, but Where do you think the differences end when it comes to your level of experience versus his?

Well, I don't think Tom Tiffany has a lot of bipartisan Accomplishments under his belt.

In fact, I wonder, you know, whether he's even holding regular town halls in his district.

I think

One thing that's been really disappointing about Tom Tiffany is that he's willing to just do whatever Trump wants, whether it's good for Wisconsin or not.

And I think that's hard because we deserve here in Wisconsin leaders of any party.

who will think for themselves, who will be their own men and women, and not be beholden to what some party boss or special interest or corporate overlord tells them.

And I think if you look at Tom Tiffany's voting record, that's the most disappointing thing about it.

Whatever Trump wants, he's the rubber stamp.

He's a yes man.

Of course, he's voted for some heinous things.

He's voted for a complete abortion ban at six weeks before most people even know they're pregnant.

That's the kind of ban that are killing women in states that have

implemented them since the Dobbs decision.

He's voted to throw hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites off their health insurance and cause our premiums to skyrocket.

That's not the kind of leadership Wisconsinites want.

No.

And I also noticed he tried to have it both ways on abortion when he got into the race and was asked about it and said, well, I support state law as it is right now.

Right.

Give me a break.

This is this guy that spent his whole career grandstanding on this issue.

And now like so many other Republicans wants to run away from it now that it's unpopular.

But

I think about his approach to lawmaking versus what I've spent the last few years doing, where I've worked closely with Republican colleagues in the legislature to try to expand access to nurse practitioners.

We've got a huge healthcare workforce and healthcare provider shortage across the state.

And for many years, I was the only Democrat on that bill.

Actually, my own Democratic governor had vetoed it several times, but we compromised.

We made changes.

We worked with stakeholders, including physicians and nurses.

And finally, we were able to get that bill done.

And that's going to have a positive impact in terms of people's ability to get healthcare, especially in rural areas of the state.

That's the work of being governor.

That's leadership.

Our guest is Senator Kelder Royce from Madison, candidate for governor, reporting in from the Chippewa Valley where she's been touring throughout the state and is on her way to Russ County later on today to continue her campaign, getting to meet people.

She'll be at the Eau Claire Democratic Party Coffee Clutch at their headquarters a little bit later on this morning.

Still ahead, we'll be talking to Cindy Greening who's organizing some of the No Kings protest rallies that'll be held in nearly a hundred places around Wisconsin coming up on Saturday.

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Just look for up North News W I let's continue our conversation now with State Senator Kelder Roy's Democratic candidate for governor who's joining us as she's traveling through the Chippewa Valley this morning.

But Senator Roy's there was a Senate session the other day we had Senator Chris Larson on yesterday talking a bit about it along with all the other business.

There was this notion of a resolution to

the murdered right-wing activist, Charlie Kurt.

And it devolved in ways that were not entirely...

unexpected.

For example, Senator Larson was, you know, gaveled out and that is my cut off when he was trying to make sure we tell the full story of Charlie Kirk's life.

It's reminiscent of the whole CRT thing where people don't like it when you teach a full honest version of, you know, American history.

But for all to talk about bipartisanship, but there are definitely these moments where it's quite ironic that people that champion free speech are not necessarily

rushing to embrace free speech when it comes to resolutions like that.

It wasn't one of the finest moments on the Senate floor.

Yeah, it's been disappointing to see those instances where people who have a right under the rules to be talking and what forum is more important to be having free speech than in the halls where our elected representatives meet to debate ideas.

You know, this resolution,

It doesn't have any function.

It doesn't change any laws.

And so what is the harm of letting Democrats who oppose it have our say?

And what was striking to me about the resolution was not having one that related to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but what was in it and what was not.

It was all about what a great guy he was and how courageous and all of the wonderful things that he supposedly did.

And not one word.

about political violence, or condemning the increase in violent rhetoric, or protecting all Americans and our right to express ourselves without fear of being harmed.

And to me, that is the most salient point.

We are living through a time where people feel that it's scary to speak out and say the truth, and that is why I am more committed than ever.

to making sure that I tell the truth about what this Republican regime is doing and how they are shredding our Constitution and attacking our rights and freedoms.

We have to be honest about it.

And we need our political leaders to stand up and have the courage to do that, even though it's scary.

We just had legislators in our neighboring state of Minnesota assassinated in their homes in the middle of the night.

And it is.

a scary time, but the Republicans didn't want to focus on that.

Instead, they wanted to sort of shove it down people's throats that Charlie Kirk was such a great guy, when in fact, so much of the rhetoric that he himself used was very divisive and was bigoted and really hurtful to people in this country, including and especially black people and people of color and women.

And trying to make sure the record reflects that apparently is too much for some people here.

Some of those same people who have a tough time believing that millions of people are going to be in the streets on Saturday, all across this country, including nearly 100 locations across Wisconsin in these No Kings rally.

You have, for example, Sean Duffy, former congressman from up north, now the transportation secretary, among others saying that, well, those are nothing more than paid agitators and antifa.

And I'm going

to

ask-

protection.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm like, well, I'll ask Cindy Greening this in our next break too.

I don't know what those Antifa meetings are like, Kelda, or those massive George Soros checks that you're cashing.

But

yeah, I've never even heard of those meetings.

I

know.

And so I think maybe there's a different point of view to have on why you think so many people are going to be in the streets on Saturday.

Absolutely.

One of the things I'm proud of is I've got Republicans supporting my campaign because they want someone who is going to have a spine of steel to stand up when this president hurts Wisconsinites.

Yesterday at the People's Protest in Eau Claire, I met with a woman, a disabled veteran.

Her name is Sergeant Schultz.

We had a great conversation.

She talked about how proud she was to serve this country, including a tour in Afghanistan.

And the very things that she fought for, for freedom, for our rights to speak out,

to organize, to protest, are under attack by this administration and so she felt it was really another way that she's serving this country and doing her duty to this country to stand up and say this is wrong.

I fought for our rights once and now here I'm going to do it back at home as a civilian and that really, really was powerful.

You're not only running for governor, but as a state senator, you know that there are state Senate districts that were newly drawn that weren't up two years ago, but because they're for your terms, they're now up this year.

So talk about what it would mean to not only have you elected governor, but what if for the first time in, you know, 15 years, you would have a Democratic Assembly and Senate and what kind of progress could be made in Wisconsin if that were to all happen?

And it will happen, Pat.

We are going to have a Democratic Senate in 2027.

It's going to be transformational for the state.

We have not had an opportunity like this since 2009, the last time that we had Democratic control of the legislature and the governor's office.

And even if the assembly, that's going to be a tougher thing, but it'll be close either way.

And we can maneuver in that environment as long as we have strong leadership and deep knowledge from the governor's office.

in the last six, seven years, unfortunately, all Governor Evers has been able to do for the most part is veto that bad legislation.

And we are so grateful that he's been able to do that.

But now we're going to be going into a new era where it is possible to actually change the trajectory of our state.

And that's why it matters which Democrat, who is governor, who's got the knowledge, the skills, the experience to be able to do that, especially when so much of the legislature is new.

A lot of these folks have been elected since COVID.

They're brand new.

And so they're still

getting their feet under them, learning the issues.

And, you know, we've got some really incredible, bright, talented people in the legislature, but we do have to have that leadership from the governor's office if we're going to get things done in that short window of time.

State Senator Kelder Royce, candidate for governor.

Senator, drop in anytime.

It's great to see you and safe travels to you today.

Thank you, Pat.

Good to see you again.

All right.

When we come back, we'll talk to Cindy Greening and talk more about those No Kings protests all around Wisconsin coming up this Saturday.

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Cindy Greening is with Chippewa Valley Indivisible, one of many groups planning rallies in, last I counted, 85 places around Wisconsin.

Coming up this weekend, it probably is more by now.

And so not just the big cities, all kinds of small communities,

where people want to get out and make a statement about what they're seeing under the current administration.

And Cindy Greening joins us now to tell us more about it.

Cindy, good morning.

How are you?

Hi, Pap.

My count of this morning, to get ready for this, is 97.

97.

There you go.

97 as of this morning.

So we've got Brawl.

We've got Spooner, Hayward.

We got them all over the place.

Amory.

You know, Rice Lake, Little Bitty Rice Lake is in the party.

Rhinelander, of course.

Oh my goodness, we I read through every one of them on air yesterday and was amazed at the places, you know, like Eagle Rivers and Eagle River, Antigo, Marinette, Menominee, you know, Prescott, Little Judville in Door County, all of these places are holding rallies on Saturday.

Now they're all at various times.

Some might be as early as 930.

Some might be noon or maybe some in the afternoon.

So what you want to do is you want to head to the website.

NoKings.org to learn more.

There is a big map on there.

You can zoom in.

You can click on the dot of the place that interests you.

Cindy, why?

Because you did this in June as well with a big turnout.

Why do it again?

Why is there that appetite out there to again have protests across the nation?

I think one of the things is we're seeing a lot bigger numbers this time.

Indivisible is guessing we might double.

We had 4,500 in Eau Claire, so the doubles will have 9,000.

Big numbers are easy for Eau Claire, because, you know, it's a very democratic area.

But like in Little Bitty Chippewa, we had 362.

And the number of signups in Chippewa are already well over double that.

So I assume that's why a lot of the small towns are getting in.

I think a lot of the folks are getting upset with what they're seeing in Chicago, in Portland, this thing about sending troops to, you know, abduct our neighbors.

But I also think it's economic issues, the things that are going on with soybeans.

and like how much groceries cost.

I think people who maybe may not have been paying attention because they don't use new sources that cover it are starting to feel it.

And so what's happening is people are seeing they need to get out in the streets.

Plus, the congressional folks, especially on the Republican side are not holding strong and we have a few of those as you know.

And so the Democratic folks,

they can't hold it alone and they need us to come and get their back.

We got to hold, you know, we got to cover their back for them and start to stand up so that people know we think this is a democracy and that the United States is by for and of the people and we really lean into

Our government should work for us.

Everyone included and no one left out.

And our money should help us and not just the billionaires and the millionaires and all the folks who are getting rich off this administration.

We're talking to Cindy Greening from Chippewa Valley Indivisible about the No Kings rallies coming up this weekend.

And yesterday I went back and looked at your interview with Selena Heller about the event in June.

And the joy on your face when you realize that

This crowd was not only filled with everyday Americans who are progressive in nature, but moderate in nature, or even Republican in nature who, to them, I mean, they feel politically homeless right now because they don't want this degree of authoritarianism.

But talk about, you know, the happiness that these are folks who could have just stayed home, but they want their voices to be heard as well.

You know, I have members of my family who voted for the other side, and we are seeing shifts in our family, in our community.

We have people coming forward and talking about the big ugly bill, talking about what's going on with healthcare.

There have been a lot of healthcare stories lately about, you know, the thing, you know, ABC News covered it, and then last night, WAU, so there's been a lot of coverage about how we're struggling because our hospitals have closed, and they'll always say on the end, yeah, they're opening a new one, but that's

2028 that's a long time for people to get take care of so I think people want to come out and we just sing and we walk we march we don't we don't do a lot of you know political speeches or so at our at our events at our no kings we march to the community we care signs we're going to be wearing inflatables we've got some we got folks wearing crazy things like dinosaurs and and

and stuff like that, chickens.

And then we've got folks who are just, you know, carrying signs.

We also have an activist band.

We've got an empty bucket drum band that's going to play in March with people.

So we've got every, we'll have.

four lines going out of Owen Park at Eau Claire.

Chippa will be one March, but there will be people will just be, you know, singing and chanting and having a good time.

And they love to have, you know, clever costumes.

I mean, like Portland's leading the way.

Let's be honest, the Frog Brigade is killer.

But even like what they're doing down in, you know, Chicago is really helping with just, you know, showing up.

And that's the biggest thing we see is that when people show up and say, like, this is our country and we want to stand for it and we want to bring back the values where everyone is taken care of and included, then we see that people want to be here and they want to have a good time.

And a part of the point of the costumes and things is again to attack this ridiculous notion that these are, you know, people from who are domestic terrorists, who are prone to violence and things like that.

When, you know, the fact of the matter is I'm not aware, maybe I missed the meeting notices.

Have you been to these Antifa meetings and did you get your George Soros check and I just missed it somehow?

This is more like regular Americans than paid

agitators.

to have them reach out to because none of us get paid.

We have been rallying in Eau Claire and Chippewa for six months now every week.

And a lot of the folks are 65 plus because they can get out during the day.

But now we're having college students show up.

We have high school students who are joining us.

And so nobody's getting paid.

They're there out of their commitment and love for this country.

Now by the way because and we don't know if or or when anything Untoward might happen, but there is the possibility given the the climate on the political right right now that there may be people that try to you know heckle heckle or worse and I know that what what I've seen is a real forceful set of instructions about essentially not taking the

Don't take the bait and stay focused on what it is that you're there to do, the message you're there to deliver.

I'm glad you brought that up.

You know that we are seeing, I will be honest to tell you, I am seeing escalating trolls on the indivisible page.

Mostly it's always white men.

It's always white, it is.

But what I've noticed, they really react to the no king signs or any of the protest signs, and it's escalating right now.

So the other side is doing a good job of making people be afraid of us, which is crazy.

But what we do is we tell people, don't feed the trolls.

They're not going to change our mind.

We're not going to change theirs.

We stand for their right to free speech.

If they want to stand on a corner and heckle us.

just walk on by.

We all get to be out and say our piece.

And so we're all just marching together.

We have trained our folks.

We have over 75 folks that are acting as event marshals.

They've been trained in de-escalation, how to handle it.

We have a good relationship with both Eau Claire and Chief of Police Departments.

So they know what the route plans are.

We have direct contacts there.

They stay in touch with us and plan so that everything stays safe.

in place.

So I'm expecting a little heckling.

We had it last week at the rally.

And sometimes, you know, when people drive by at the rally, they honk and wave, but then there's the other group that gives us the half a peace sign, you

know?

And that, I mean, that's America.

If you keep it at that point, if you keep it above board that way, I was interested.

You talked about four different lines going out.

So there's not a single

for protesters who want to do some parading and it really shows how things have kind of become a bit more sophisticated.

You've taken the lessons that you learned from June in order to make these protests more effective.

Yeah, we only had one line going out and that 4500 people, they actually crossed themselves.

Someone was running a camera when it happened and you could hear the roar coming from the crowd because they were excited.

There were so many of them.

So if it doubles this time, we've created four possible routes.

We've reached out to UWEC to the students there.

So we have a route that goes over there.

We have a route, the same route that goes down to Phoenix Park.

We have another one that goes over two bridges for the people who want to be real visible.

the people who don't want to be visible at all, we march them around the community down Water Street and then Lake.

So we've created four routes and more, we also have a low mobility route, which is basically in front of Owen Park.

So for the folks that want to come out, because we've heard there are a lot, I don't know if you're familiar with the classics, we've heard there are a lot of folks, 92, 91, we got a 91 year old coming, you know, she's here with her daughter from Tennessee.

She's like, can I come?

Is there a place for me?

And it's like, absolutely.

In Owen Park, we have a small route in there.

So just showing up to stand for our country and how much they love it and want to protect it.

We got a good spot for them too.

We are talking to Cindy Greening from Chippewa Valley, Indivisible.

And if you want to learn more about where there is a No Kings rally in your community, go to nokings.org.

It frankly, Cindy, might be easier to describe where there isn't going to be a rally this weekend.

I know.

I know.

Because when one popped up in Brule and Emery, I couldn't believe it.

It's like Rice Lake.

They're all over the place.

It's so exciting for me.

And I mean having having lived or having worked in in you know, West Bend and other places that are heavily Republican and yet there are going to be rallies there because last time around they were well attended as well there will be rallies in Brookfield in Waukesha Muskego Union Grove as well as you know, we're seeing Kenosha, but also Shorewood just no shortage of communities so that nobody will have to go far to be part of one of these events and

I just continue to be amazed at just all of the different areas you talked about.

It can be just frustration overall, but it could be economic.

It could be about health care.

It could be about the military being sent to American streets.

Everybody's got some kind of reason to attend and just stand for their particular part of the political spectrum.

The data centers and water and climate, I mean, we are seeing people really reacting.

And what we say to people is, you know, America's under attack, it's time to stand up and help and protect her.