Good morning and welcome to the Earl Ingram show.
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At that same number, good morning to you, Cardi.
How you doing, man?
My bad.
Sorry about that.
Good morning, Earl.
How are you today, man?
I'm feeling great.
Hey, man, I'm doing fine, man.
It's Friday.
Oh, now it's Friday for you now.
That's my spiel.
Well, it's Friday.
It's going to be 75 degrees.
Yeah.
So all is right with the world.
I'm with you on that.
It's
going to be 75 degrees today.
You
know, tomorrow.
Right back down to 2012.
Who knows, right?
Well, if you don't know by now who that guy is, that's not Elmer Fudd, is it?
No, that's...
No, no, no, no, no.
Sandy Williams, my co-host.
Good morning to you, Sandy.
How you doing, man?
I'm doing all right.
Like you said, it's going to be a hot, wet day.
So it's sort of tropical, it's just tropical spring version, Milwaukee 1.0.
Tomorrow will be winter spring.
Yeah, who knows?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, man, it's still, it's April.
We haven't had a lot of rain yet, right?
Well, not too much.
You know, in fact, that's, that's, we probably had the right amount, which.
now that we've said it, it's probably gonna go over the edge.
It's
supposed to rain for the next several days, April showers, you know,
we've
got it coming.
Yeah, so Sandy, you and I have been on the airways for what?
Four years?
Three years?
No,
well, you know, I think thought about it.
The first time I appeared on your show was about seven years ago.
Come on, Sandy, come on.
It's seven years.
Yeah, it was about seven years ago on Brady Street
the first
time we tried this out.
So it's been a long time.
I can't believe it's been seven years.
Yeah, well, time flies.
I can't believe I put up with you for seven years.
You know,
I was thinking the same
thing,
Earl.
That's a mutually, that's a mutually held fine.
You know, you know, Sandy, I will say this, man, you know, from the first time you, you sat down in the studio, we sat down together and started talking.
Well, you was just such a bashful guy man.
You didn't I had to drag it out of you You don't remember those early days.
Do you
I guess that those are those days are gone.
I think Lots of listeners are
thinking can we get
back?
Can we get back to those days and and and I never will forget How we first wound up connecting and
you know, again, we were at a little coffee shop over on Brady Street.
And after I would leave the radio station, a mutual friend of ours, Roger Quindale and a couple other guys, Mark and others, wounded Vietnam veterans would meet there.
And I'm coming there, Roger invited me and you're there.
And these other guys are doing a lot of talking in New York.
kind of serene, man.
You're kind of quiet.
Serene.
I like that.
I like that notion.
And you're quiet.
And so, you know, you weren't talking much.
And then one day, they all had to go to a ceremony.
Remember that?
Yeah.
At the War Memorial.
And it was just you and I. And we started talking and talking.
and talking.
Yeah.
And talking some more.
I think we might have been there for a couple hours.
And I said, wow, man, this guy.
I said, man, have you ever been on radio?
I remember like yesterday, man.
Well, people look at my face and they say, you know, you ought to be on the radio.
And so we began to have this conversation and I invited you on and.
And men, like they say, the rest is history.
But Sandy, you so much information, so much knowledge.
Well, we enjoy talking to one another.
And I think we both held a mutual interest in trying to hope for the world getting better and trying to understand what the hell is going on in the world.
And it's become remarkably difficult, actually.
Well, you know, Sandy, you and I have become the best of friends.
outside of radio and we're gonna continue that because man, you know, the information that you have and your life and what you've learned and it's so important to so many people.
And let me say this to people who even though this is our last rodeo,
on the radio during the Earl Ingram show, you and I are gonna be doing podcasts.
Yeah.
And so the great thing about podcasts is no commercials.
Well, no commercials and you can turn them on and listen to them whenever you want to and you know I think I think the world is kind of transitioning in the direction of podcasts It's kind of a buffet of information as you want it when you want it And you know some of the dangers are that by self-selection you might people might just choose to be in an echo chamber But hopefully we're gonna offer up some podcasts that are
both interesting and maybe compelling.
Well, there's no question.
We're gonna have many different people join us on the podcast.
And so I'm really excited about the next chapter of where Sandy Williams and Earl Ingram go.
This is not the end, it's the beginning.
Oh, so Sandy, when I started looking around again for
things to talk about your Harvard graduate and Donald Trump is waging war on Harvard.
To me, the notion that the federal government
would try to take over a federal university because of a disagreement with respect to the nature of what it is that goes on in the university.
The demand letter that went to Harvard went so far as to want to take over the admissions policies of Harvard so they could decide who it is that got into Harvard.
I mean, there's a running joke in the White House.
I'd be interested in whether it's true, but the joke around the White House is the schools that Donald Trump is attacking are the ones that Barron didn't get into.
You know who knows you know this this president acts so Unilaterally and out of out of such individual spite that maybe that is the case, but the fact is that The the putative excuse for taking on these universities originally was anti-Semitism, but that's clearly not what's going on here and the demands
going to the universities have little or nothing to do with anti-Semitism.
It has to do with taking them over and trying to destroy them in terms of allowing them to be places where liberal thought might be expressed as well as conservative.
Harvard's the university from which many of the conservatives in the US Senate and Congress graduated.
And so it's a place that has allowed diversity of thought.
It's thought of as being a bastion of liberality, but actually it's a bastion of open thinking and accepts nonconformists.
The notion that Harvard University would be under assault by the federal government is, I think, a frightening prospect for every American because it represents the capacity of this government to take on anything and anybody that descents.
Well, you know, Sandy, every university that did not do away with diversity, equity, and inclusion and did not go along or totally
capitulate to Donald Trump, he's threatened.
Many of them have knuckle under Sandy and they can't, they don't have a $50 billion endowment.
So they've had the knuckle under.
If people really understood Sandy that he's taken away science man, he's taken away things that are going to benefit the American people in the future.
Yeah.
More Harvard professors have earned Nobel Prizes than have earned Nobel Prizes in most countries in the world.
I mean, Harvard's sort of a sacred place to the world at large because it is so intent on excellence.
And he's threatening to take away the tax exempt status from these places, which actually destroys them in a way because no longer can donations to that entity be tax deducted.
And the place itself becomes taxed on much that it does, unlike any university in the world.
He wants to bar international students.
from coming to Harvard.
International students, Sandy, I don't know.
I'm assuming that international students, when they come to Harvard, they paid a full freight.
They're not getting the kind of breaks that American citizens...
Well, let's talk about international students.
One of them who turned into the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, apparently if Elon Musk was attending, if the person who's going to become Elon Musk was attending Harvard right now, he'd be told that he can't attend Harvard and he can't even enter the United States.
You know, Elon Musk went to school here on a student visa.
You know, Sandy, I just don't think people grasp just the totality
of what is happening in this country.
They know certain segments of it, but Sandy, to even say to people that you don't have a right for peaceful protests, you don't have a right to free speech Sandy.
All the things that you constantly, over the years that I've known you and talked to you that you stood up for, it's taking those things away.
It's a direct assault on free thought.
One of the things that is said in the demand letter and the PR surrounding it about Harvard was the place that it was this bastion of liberal thinking.
It's a bunch of lefties.
Well, yeah.
If it's a bunch of lefties, does that mean that it's an appropriate place for the US government to attack?
the notion that this president can take all the tools of government and train them
and put anybody or anything in the crosshairs of all the tools of government is an exceedingly dangerous prospect.
And I'm afraid the waters in that pot that are cooking that might cook the frog are already boiling.
You know, we have an authoritarian president and it's not just the vendetta of an angry politician, it's the actions of an authoritarian.
So Sandy, listen well, you said we have
and authoritarian president.
We have now.
It's
there.
It's in place.
All right.
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My co-host Sandy Williams is on the line.
you
Hey, Sandy.
Our last dance for romance.
Yeah, well, I know.
That's a little scary, actually.
And you're stepping on my
toes.
There's a great, great, great selection, though.
Welcome back to the Erlingham Show.
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Texas is the same number.
Yes, our last dance, Sandy, on the Earl Ingram show, you know, for now.
It's Friday, and that means Sandy Williams is on board.
Sandy, I just have to say, man, you know, you have always tempered your responses to things.
And I've never known you to be a guy who, hyperbole, you really think about the things you say before they come out of your mouth.
But I heard you clearly say the authoritarian government is here
now Yeah, you know I've for most of my life been a get considered myself a centrist open-minded sort of person I think I am but to be honest with you every morning.
I wake up and when I realize Where I am and what's going on?
I'm both angry and and frightened.
I'm angry that we're in this circumstance and we have someone as
Personally faulted as Donald Trump in charge and I'm I'm angry because so many people seem to be Committed to the notion that Donald Trump should be allowed to do whatever he wants to do as if as if he's now the king and the king has his way When in fact what we've got is a government that's supposed to have checks and balances and make sure that no one person ever becomes Unilaterally that powerful and and then I'm frightened because
If this is the model that is allowed to persist, then this is the model that will be duplicated going forward.
This is how countries move from democratic republics to authoritarian republics.
We're there.
We are living right today in the circumstances which reflect an authoritarian republic.
And unless we wake up and reverse course, this is what's going to happen.
And the people who are now, who call themselves conservatives, who apparently believe in this form of government will be very uncomfortable when someone who calls themselves a liberal takes those reins and begins to deploy them in the same way.
You know, Sandy, when you...
when you just, as you stated, man, every minute, man, of every day, there's something that's going on.
He's trying to bury history in one form, shape or fashion, but he's trying to create a new history for our
nation.
He's trying to reshape society, but unfortunately, he's trying to reshape it in his image, which is pretty, you know, I don't think anyone would concur that they want their children to grow up to be like Donald Trump.
And yet, he's creating an environment in which conformity is required.
You know, the original human cry of the conservatives was that they were being banished to the
because they were conservatives and they were being prejudiced against by the intellectual community, the liberal intellectual community, and what is their response today?
But to banish everyone to the courtroom, to the cloakroom, except those who concurred, and they are requiring a litmus test for consistency, which is very, very constrained.
What they want is what
Orwell wrote about when he wrote about the book 1984, which he wrote much, much earlier in the 20th century.
And now he should have written it, he should have called it 2025.
You know, Sandy, I was reading something the other day where it's conservative news outlet and it said that 64% of Americans agree that
All illegal immigrants need to be banished out of this country 64% of Americans.
I don't believe it.
I don't believe that number but you know It is safe to say and you and I know it and everybody else knows it our nation if you banished all illegal immigrants 11 million or more the nation couldn't move forward man.
I mean the economy
would collapse
Well, what's happening is that Donald Trump has this threat of banishing them all, and he's now going to line his political pockets and the pockets of his friends by having people who absolutely need them to stay in this country come forward to kiss his ring and to ask for lenience in the same manner that his
Tariff action has has called for all kinds of corporations across America to come forward and beg for lenience to beg for Exceptions to the tariffs and and what is required in return for the for those exceptions is oaths of loyalty Contributions who knows I mean Everyone understands that when tariffs are under the control and under the thumb of a president it
It has that it creates the tool for corruption at the highest level and at the greatest amount.
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in every agency are exercising all the tools of government to try and force and coerce a point of view.
You know, Sandy, I don't know.
I didn't think there was a law against being liberal.
You know, I didn't think that it was a crime to be somebody who is not a conservative in this country.
You know, I thought we had freedoms to be whoever we wanted
to be.
Well, I think this is all a result of the long-term propaganda, which has caused conservatism to be the litmus test for patriotism, and liberality has been accused of being people who hate America, who are not patriots.
And I think lots of people have bought into that concept.
And that's the horror that somehow being a conservative is to be an American, and to be a liberal is to be an enemy.
8-5-5-7-5-2-48-42.
Sandy Williams.
on The Arlinger Show.
To my
Welcome back to The Earl Ingham Show.
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My co-host, Sandy, we're Sandy the Music.
Well, yeah, first one was last dance.
This one's about changes, just moving on through succeeding after a landslide.
And so that's what everyone does.
You know, Sandy, Trump's attack...
on the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, threatened the Fed's independence.
And so no other president has attacked the Federal Reserve.
It's separate from the government for a reason.
Does he have the power to remove
the Federal Reserve Chair?
Well, he plans on potentially exercising it and before he was elected we talked about this during the campaign the financial community talked about it during the campaign It's very important to the financial community that politics and politicians not be in control of the Federal Reserve The Federal Reserve is there a dish out than the hard medicine that a politician would be very unlikely to serve up to try and quell inflation where you quell inflation by raising interest rates raising interest rates
is by its very nature politically unpopular.
And if a politician is in charge, the financial community is terrified that the necessary medicine of interest increases to stifle inflation will not be taken, and that inflation will go from being moderate to runaway as the result of there being no perceived controls for it.
And the financial community worried about this when he was running for office.
During the time of the campaign said he had no intention of attacking the Federal Reserve.
He talked about how he would recognize and stand by its independence.
And here we have him directly attacking it, talking about how the day can't be soon enough when he gets rid of Powell.
And why is that?
Because Powell several days ago said that the level of tariffs was potentially going to create some difficult scenarios.
He was just speaking the financial truth.
He was just saying what it was that the people who look at monetary controls have to consider, which is the difficulty of the broad and large array of tariffs which are being implemented and what effect it might have on the economy.
And now Donald Trump, because he uttered those words, says he's got to go.
You know, Sandy, it is so...
horrific when you think about all of these areas that he's poisoning at once.
He's poisoning every freshwater reservoir
that there is.
Well, the Federal Reserve is important to the view of the rest of the world of the stability of the dollar.
One of the reasons the dollar has been so stable is that the Federal Reserve has been an effective central bank in terms of how it is contended with, for instance, inflation in the United States.
Inflation is something that impacts the value of the dollar and could cause it to become volatile and it could cause it to become weakened and less interesting to the rest of the world.
as the reserve currency.
Donald Trump, all of these actions he's taking, the tariff action, the action with respect to the Federal Reserve, and his general conduct has caused a very rapid erosion in the rest of the world's confidence in the dollar as recognized by the fact that the value of the dollar is going down at a time when tariffs are being implemented and the value of the dollar ought to be going up.
And the value of the dollar going down is like adding on
to the tariffs because a lower value dollar buys less in the way of world goods.
And it's like imposing a tariff on everything that Americans buy.
You know, Sandy, you just got through talking about strange sell off in the dollar raises the specter of investors losing trust in the U.S.
under Trump.
You know, Sandy, maybe the average person who is just living, we're just living our lives.
We don't know the intricacies of how the monetary fund and all those things work globally and how all these things interact to allow us to be able to get credit at a decent rate, to be able to buy homes, to be able to buy cars, to be able to have credit.
We don't understand that at the root of the things he is doing now is destroying
or making those things almost impossible for the American people to ever get
again.
The strength of the dollar as the reserve currency in the world is at the very heart of the prosperity that many Americans are able to experience.
And if we lose world currency status, we will become what England became in the 1950s after the pound lost its world currency status.
And it takes a long time for an economy to recover because a lot of our economy is built around and dependent upon, our whole financial world is dependent upon
that our ability to issue debt at the federal level is dependent on that.
And so, you know, Donald Trump was a reckless businessman.
He bankrupted himself or his businesses six times.
He took four casinos down when everyone thought a casino could never go bankrupt.
And now we've got the United States, which no one believes could ever have its financial solvency and reputation destroyed.
And we have a president who in the space of three months is threatening to do that.
You know, Donald Trump has never exhibited capability.
in a business setting in spite of the fact that he was able to develop a brand that he said was and was premised on the notion that he was a great deal maker.
He's never made a great deal in his life.
He wrote a book that a book was ghost written on his behalf that talked about it, but his conduct has never achieved that.
And now what we've got is a president who's exercising the same sort of reckless conduct as president and
And it's a it's a horrible thing.
It's horrible.
It's a dangerous thing
on all fronts.
He is he is he is bringing this to bear on the American people and the peoples of of the earth.
He in and he is in all these different sectors, Sandy.
I don't care what it is.
He's he's.
put his stamp on it.
And the worst part about it is, Sandy, is there are people now who supported him who are now realizing, hey, you know, this is a mistake.
You kind of see Sandy.
The other part of this is getting ready to happen next month, because they've got to then address cuts in the budget in order to offset
the big tax breaks and they're going to be going after the programs that they said they'd never go.
I mean all of these things are happening Sandy at
the same time.
Well, and I think we have a public out there, the 49.6% of people, the less than majority people who elected Donald Trump, who are going to have to deal with what the psychologists call cognitive dissonance.
The cognitive dissonance is the concept that if you believed in something strongly, it was because your mind says it's because it was a good idea, because you don't want to admit to yourself that you were fooled or that you were a fool.
That's the reason why fraternities have hazing, because if you do a bunch of foolish things to enter something like a fraternity, your mind decides, well, it must be very important for me to enter this fraternity.
It must be a very good thing.
Or somewhere along the hazing, you realize that it's foolish and you don't.
proceed.
And so that cognitive dissonance creates an extreme loyalty amongst those who go through the process.
And what we have now, Carl Jung, the social psychologist would say we've got a nation filled with cognitive dissonance who are going to have to try to resolve
what they think about the fact that the person they elected is the fool that maybe he was reputed to be, which they bought into, and now they have to come to grips with.
He is a dangerous person.
He is a narcissist.
And the people who say that we've got to get out of his way so the president can do what it is he wants are yielding
to him, the power to be capricious and reckless, and to give the power to someone who doesn't listen to advice.
He listens to his, he tells us, he listens to his gut, someone who doesn't read things, someone who only exercises an intuition, an intuition that bankrupted six businesses.
You know, Sandy, so many different frightening aspects.
I remember when the conversation about Marco Rubio
and becoming the secretary.
And so people said, well, Marco Rubio, he's a smart guy.
He's a great guy.
And so even Democrats said yes to Marco Rubio.
What has Marco Rubio done, Sandy, since he's gotten it?
He's capitulated.
He's obviously on a leash, and it's getting to be a short leash, and he exercised a little bit of independence a month or a month and a half ago, and I'm confident that he was told that he couldn't be Secretary of State if he kept exercising that kind of independence.
In the first administration of Donald Trump, there were people there who told him why his ideas weren't good ideas.
In his second administration, we have a cabinet filled with people who call him dear leader, literally, and who tell him on media and on TV what beautiful clothes he's wearing.
We have the emperor with no clothes and a cabinet who is exalting his wardrobe.
You
know, Sandy, his cabinet, Congress, and you and I, I wanna hear your assessment of the Congress people who are the last bastion, I think.
You know, I mean, certainly people mobilizing tens of thousands of people in the street.
I don't even know Sandy if that's enough.
To stop this juggernaut that's kind of making his way down.
Well, I think that I think that the juggernaut so far is based
completely on the exercise of executive power, which Congress has, it's very difficult for Congress to get in the way of executive power.
It could try to pass a law that could strain the power of the president to declare a so-called emergency.
This power of the president over tariffs is premised on his capacity to declare an emergency status that requires that he respond to the emergency with tariffs.
He did that with the bogus fentanyl emergency and has used that as the basis for now declaring all of these tariffs, which were the beginning of this exercise of imperial non-constraint.
But yeah, Congress needs to try.
But the fact is that the strategy of this incoming administration is to use imperial powers and to try and put the president in a position where he can ignore Congress.
He's already declared his intention and has started exercising that intention to ignore courts with this deportation case.
It's a clear case of him.
you know, putting his thumb to his nose and wiggling his fingers, which I just did at the Supreme Court.
Hey
Sandy, don't do that again.
Well, I
think that
with the
industry, I
kind of like
sort of like doing
it.
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Sandy got a lot more to talk about.
I'm so, you know, I'm so terrified of where we're headed.
I think everybody should be.
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You know, Sandy, I am...
I am so, you know, frightened, not because the media is afraid.
I'm not afraid in that manner.
I'm afraid at what we see coming.
You know how they always said, well, you see what's coming out of that tunnel, what you see is a train.
It really is a train.
I don't think there's any way to turn it around now,
Sandy.
It's only been three and a half months.
Well, I think we should understand that, you know, some, I think Governor Gavin said that he thought these, the disappearance of this guy, you know, the deportation of this guy was a distraction.
I don't think so.
I think that Christie Noem, using all this video to demonstrate
the terror that ICE can create by coming in the dark of night and deporting people and disappearing people.
is being staged for a reason.
And I think the deportation of this fellow to El Salvador, and the president's talk about taking home groans and sending them to El Salvador too, is all part of a theater that's designed to have a chilling effect on America.
It's much the same way that Putin would stage his murders of those who were dissidents in a manner that was not very private, you know, poisoning someone in the middle of London, taking Navalny and disappearing him to
gulag in northern Siberia, and having people fall out of windows unceremoniously is all part of staging the notion that if you are a dissident, this is what you might expect to have happen to you.
Taking on Harvard and bringing them to their knees, having corporate executives show up and have to genuflect in order to get exceptions to tariffs is all part
of a demonstration that if you don't buy into the president's program 100%, you can expect to have the guns of government turned upon you in a manner that could cause you to disappear.
You know, Sandy, clearly what he did with the Associated Press, he's been forced since to relent.
But I think Sandy, along the way, if you think it through, he's got control over the military.
Okay, he's gonna
do whatever it takes, right?
Well, sure, he's already stationing troops down at the southern border and whether that's a good idea or not, I don't know, but when he starts stationing troops around the United States and various cities and utilizing them in that manner, we can all be sure that we've got a serious problem.
There's bombing taking place in, where the hoodies are located, I can't.
Yemen.
Yemen.
And so the American people know nothing.
of the magnitude of what's
going on there?
Well, incidentally, there's not getting a lot of PR because it's, in fact, not having a great deal of impact on the activities of the hoodies.
We had a shock and awe a couple of weeks ago where there was the announcement that was announced, unfortunately, by the group that had a group chat that had a newspaper guy in the group chat itself.
They are talking about it very much because the fact is that the Chaconneau is not being very effective.
And it's all part of a grand scheme, I guess, to try and flex muscle across the world, which isn't working very well.
You know, the fact is that Largesse has been a big part of the power of the US government.
And when Donald Trump withdrew Largesse from the rest of the world, he left us only with military power.
You
know, Sandy.
You just, every day, there's something more.
And yet, you know, like I said, he still got people who are willing to follow him.
You use the verbiage off the air, a cult.
Yeah.
Will you say that on the air?
I will.
I mean, I think that a cult is something that you can understand exists when you see people talking about essentially a dear leader in which the leader can do no wrong, in which they invest in the leader complete discretion to do whatever because they believe that whatever the leader does is okay by definition.
It's a cult is where you can't ask one of the members what the belief of the cult is.
They have to defer to the leader to find out what it is that they have to believe.
And all of this is what's going on here.
Donald, there's no, there's no liturgy in the Republican Party other than what Donald Trump.
describes it to be, and people have to wait to find out what it is Donald Trump says it is.
There's no question that the Republican Party today, as manifested by MAGA at least, has become a personality cult, and that personality is Donald Trump.
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Goodbye to you, my trusted friend We've known each other since we were nine or ten Together we've climbed hills and trees Learned of love and ABC Skinned our hearts and skinned our knees Goodbye
my
friend, it's hard to die
All right, welcome
back.
to the Earl Ingram show, a pretty risque tune from Sandy Williams.
Well, it turns out that these songs tend to be centered around relationships that are a little different than yours and mine, but oh well.
Welcome back to the Earl Ingram show.
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This is the swan song for Sandy Williams and I.
on at this time in this studio and on and on this radio station.
We're going to be doing podcasts in the near future.
So we'll make sure you get all the information.
Let's go to the phone lines.
Let's go to Ann.
Ann, you're up first.
Your thoughts about, you know, what we've been talking, excuse me, talking about this morning, you know, just where we're headed.
Yeah, Earl, Sandy, thank you.
First of all, there is only two choices for Republicans right now, oligarchy or freedom.
And you know what?
Those Republicans that want to change their mind and join us, we'd be happy to have them on our team.
The people that scare me are the people that are still standing by Trump.
You know, maybe these people have never been in a team sport before.
We're all in this together.
They're playing individual and think one person can solve all these problems.
I'm sorry guys, you're gonna be, we're gonna be in bad shambles if you don't join our team.
So that's all I have to say, Earl and Sandy, thank you so
much.
And thank you very much.
Sandy, she is right that you just wonder how people can think that one guy, you
know.
You know, we talk about running the company, or the conservatives talk about running the...
country, like a company.
Well, any big corporation that hires a CEO, the way the board of directors tests the CEO is to see what sort of a team the CEO assembles and how much he looks to that team to use their separate expertise.
There are various forms of expertise to make sure the company does as well as possible.
And here we have a federal leader, the president, who has choose
advice from anyone and who is micromanaging every department in every agency and the notion is that the White House will micromanage the country.
Any CEO who tried to micromanage a major corporation would have a tenure in office as CEO of about six months.
And so people ought to be horrified by what they're seeing.
We ought not to be willing to turn the reins of power
in this country and the control of this country over to a single individual, regardless of the merits of that particular individual.
All right, let's go to Mary.
Good morning to you, Mary.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl and Sandy.
Thanks for this opportunity.
My focus this morning is to call people's attention to an important event today, pro-democracy.
It's called Let Freedom Ring, a national bell ringing for democracy.
The link is letfreedomring.live, 5 p.m.
today, 6 p.m.
Eastern time.
And it's this 250th anniversary of the lighting of lanterns at Boston's Old North Church that signaled the start of Paul Revere's ride.
And churches throughout the area rang their bells of warning.
We're going to be hearing bells throughout the nation today.
So if you're connected with a church, let them know.
And do click on this link.
Letfreedomring.live.
And have your bell handy to ring.
You gotta focus on the
positive.
Hey, Mary, thank you very much.
As always, you always, you know, wake people up to those kinds of things.
Sandy, you know, she talked about- I had my, I had my bell rung a couple of times in my school.
It didn't do much good.
Sandy, she talked about poor revere and going back to, I mean, you have to go back to the founding of this nation.
and what they thought the founding fathers, all this conversation conservatives always talking about what the founding fathers would be saying, and this is what the founding fathers, what do they think the founding fathers would say about Donald Trump and what he's doing?
Well,
Donald Trump is the very
nature of a president that the Founding Fathers worried about.
It's the reason why the Founding Fathers had separation of power.
They tried to foresee how it is they could set up a government that would not allow authoritarianism to come into existence.
And now we have a whole political movement that's designed to install authoritarianism.
You know, the Republican Party brought the leader of Victor Orr
the leader of Hungary over and the Heritage Foundation described Viktor Orban as the nature, the sort of leader that they found should be the lead of a sound conservative movement in a country.
Viktor Orban took a democracy Hungary and turned it into an authoritarian government.
It's horrifying that people would erect Victor Orban as the paradigm example of what they want to have as a president for the United States.
All right, let's go back to the phone lines.
Charles, you're up next.
You say what?
Hey, good morning, guys.
Sandy, if I could just push back on your comment about Elon Musk not being allowed to come into country because he's from South Africa.
he would be allowed because he's white.
I have yet to see a blonde-haired blue-eyed person in cuffs because of the whole protest against what Israel has been doing to the people of Palestine.
I don't think we'll ever see a white person arrested because of their protest, except for Democratic ones, and that's protesting against what him and Musk are doing.
Well, I think I do think you make a good point.
I think that if we looked at the students whose visas were being revoked to student visas were being revoked I think we'd find out that it was a remarkably Ethnic and born ethnicity, which was not Western European in all likelihood.
I think you're probably right.
Hey Charles.
Go
ahead.
Thank you very much for calling Charles
Do you want to respond?
No, no, I just think that again, I think he points out something which is embedded in this whole nature of what Donald Trump wants to do to American society.
And I think one of the things he wants to do by constantly talking about DEI, I think the DEI is a dog whistle for a race.
And you know, the talk of erasing DEI from every place is the notion of erasing efforts to diversify
any place that includes racial diversity.
And racial diversity doesn't, doesn't per se mean mediocrity, doesn't per se mean incompetence.
But that's what Donald Trump has tried to say, which has embedded in it, I think, the ultimate sort of racism, the ultimate sort of misogyny.
When, when they had the accident, the airplane accident in Washington, and he immediately described the air controllers as being the result of DEI and therefore an incompetent was, I think to say,
at all.
All right, Tom from
LA, you're up
next.
Good morning, Earl.
Good
morning.
First, we the people, ultimately out of the government.
We must never forget that.
Second, we must get all money out of politics.
Sandy, I want to thank you for joining us here when you filled in for Earl one time.
You're $16,000 for health care, $16,000 for health care, $16,000 mortgager rent and $16,000 taxes.
because it really doesn't bring it home in terms of what the average person is going through.
Also, Earl, please let us know when your podcast is going to be on by emailing us or putting it on.
Well, so let
me say this time.
The podcast will be through civic media.
So it will be announced on the different civic media outlets.
Okay, great.
And then also, I want to say during this Easter season, you know, Jesus Christ said, I am the shepherd and this is my flock, the sheep.
And I'll tell you what, for all of these people that are authoritarian dictators and are basically taking the sheep and taking them to the slaughterhouse, I hope there's somewhere in this world or the next that they have to pay a price because you are committing
one of the greatest sins that if you're a Christian, Jesus Christ talked about, and that was not taking advantage of the sheep.
And that's exactly what has happened.
These people follow Donald Trump off a cliff.
They break the first commandment, I am the Lord, thy God, thou should not strain God before me.
So Tom, so Tom,
let me read this paragraph quickly.
Former mega church pastor John.
Pablitz has written a new piece on his sub stack page that takes a distinctly old testament attitude towards supporters of President Donald Trump.
In his piece, Pabowitz makes the case that Trump supporters must be ostracized going forward due to their complicity in what he sees as the president's ruin the second term policies.
The people we love live alongside those we work and study shoulder to shoulder with, those we have invited into our hearts and homes.
They are as responsible for all of this as he is.
uh, as those in his cabinets are, he writes, that's a former mega church pastor, uh, who is, who is saying that about, you know, um, the magus.
Absolutely.
And the thing is we just need to realize that, you know, if you believe in a heaven, if you believe in something more after this life,
You know, these people are not, they should not call themselves Christians.
They follow the Old Testament, they don't follow the New Testament.
Nothing Christ showed up in my book.
All right, Tom, thank you
very much for the call.
Guys, hang on the phone lines, 855-752-4842, Sandy Williams and I on the Erlingham
show.
But the hills that we climb were just seasons out of time.
And I raise a glass for every note, for every distant dream and hope, that it may find the change they seek in their mind.
And silent leaves are falling beneath the winter browlands,
Fall timely into November tidings I trample through the chesty Smoke with you from the old house of smell Brush and bramble See the traffic lights
Bitted you to all those westward bound shoes Side one I used to pal with Winter consumes his place Gentle remains its pace And we carry on
oblivious to our swan song.
Now I raise a glass
for every note.
Welcome back to the early shows.
Always you can join us at 855-752-4242-855-752-4242.
Send you the music.
Yeah, that one's a swan song.
I like the lyric oblivious to our swan song.
But you know, at least for the radio show, this is a swan song, so I thought I'd pick that song.
Let me let me do this before we go back to the phone line.
It's it's things like this.
Trump team degrades senator and his wife with profane social media comment.
And so what did the senator do?
Senator Van Hollen, Sandy, what did he do?
He what crime did he commit that the president of the United States and the staff can be so.
So, what's the
word, man, vulgar?
The vulgarity is also purposeful.
It's staged.
It's designed to signal to his followers what it is and how much on the outside you will become if you do anything whatsoever that runs contrary to the view of the dear leader.
This, you know, people talk about sheep following him.
No, this is lemmings.
Lemmings are those little creatures that follow them over the cliffs of Moor and to their death, to their peril.
That's the people who are letting this happen, who are facilitating the transition of the United States from a democratic republic to an authoritarian republic are lemmings.
And they're going to fall over the cliff with the rest of us.
All right.
Brendan, you're up next, man.
Well, first, let me just say
how sad I am to kind of be sitting here feeling as though you're some you've been hit with some sort of Trump authoritarian shrap metal through FCC pressure on the free art waves and what you want to podcast.
I've enjoyed the show.
I've enjoyed you and Sandy every Friday.
I'm so appreciative of your message.
Um, and to be able to, you know, share feelings with you and be able to call in and I will listen to the podcast, but like I said, I'd really like to hear something to make me feel like that's not exactly what just happened.
So, you know,
uh, I don't, you know,
Well, I'm confident that's not why civic media has decided to move to move to podcasts I think that it has to do with a notion of what the listening audiences in Wisconsin are all about and I think civic media is particularly focused on non urban Wisconsin and Tom Dick and Mary out there generally so I think I'm not concerned that this is bowing to the
to the pressure of the White House, I think it is responding to the new media market and the desire for podcasts.
All
right,
Brendan, thank you
very much.
Go ahead, Brendan, go ahead.
I just want to say thanks.
I'll be
following you.
Well, thank you.
Enjoy the time with
you.
Thank you, man.
We appreciate you.
I'm going to be heard on the different
Uh, some of the different, uh, stations anyway, but Sandy and
I, I do think the loss that you and I have is not being able to intersect with people like Brandon and find out.
I mean, he's a very, very thoughtful guy who's had some very good things to add.
And I think the danger of podcasts generally is the danger of media, which is that people get to pick and choose what they want to listen to.
And they end up maybe having a echo chamber type, uh, lifestyle.
but hopefully we'll be part of something that isn't just an echo chamber.
Well, Sandy, I think that's very well said.
And for those who don't know, I'm gonna be in a different capacity.
My voice is still gonna be heard on civic media, different markets and different radio stations.
So I'm not leaving, but Sandy and I will do as great a job
And our podcast will actually be on encumbered and we'll do even greater work on those podcasts.
So we'll make sure that you know, we're going to, we're going to ramp up and get it going as soon as possible.
Mark from the sat.
Uh, you're up next.
You say what?
Yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks so much earlier.
It just, yeah, the president is becoming, oh, I think what the anti-federalists were concerned about, um, that becoming more or less a monarch and, uh,
Having too much power, of course, the Supreme Court actually enabled that by their thing.
Well, he's immune from any official acts, and that's far from what the Founders actually intended.
I mean, they intended the President to be constrained by the law.
I mean, they put that in there by, you know, that basically execute the laws part of the, you know, falls underneath the oath.
And what occurs to me is that, yes, these guys on the right, like, say, well, we got to go back what the Founders thought.
well if you go back to the declaration of independence preceding the constitution they actually made mention of imposing taxes on us without our consent well tariffs are a tax and we're not consent to have you know trump impose these tariffs upon us so um... you know without any kind of you know consent at all i mean that transporting people beyond the seas i mean i was another indictment under the declaration of independence and i guess the phrase that stuck out to me because i was reading through this that uh...
from the Declaration of Independence, in every stage of these oppressions, we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms.
Our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.
A prince whose character has thus been marked by in every act which may define a tyrant is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
I mean, Trump.
You know, you know, you know, Mark,
I hate to envision Trump as a prince.
But your point is well taken.
Thank you very much for the call.
Before we go to this quick break, do your damn job.
GOP Senator ignites theory by saying she fears Trump retaliation.
Joni Ernst.
I mean, Lisa Murkowski.
Fears Donald Trump's reprisal.
Do-your-damn-job GOP senator ignites fear by saying she fears Trump retaliation.
A United States senator says that publicly.
Sandy will let you respond on the other side.
8-5-5-7-5-2-48-42.
Close.
Here's to you.
Oh,
Sandy, my God.
8-5-5-7-5-2, 48-42, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 48-42.
You can text us at that same number.
Yes.
It's our, it's our last show, Sandy and I on, you know, this platform, um, clearly over the airways, uh, radio airways of civic media, but we're going to be doing a podcast and I guarantee you, uh, you're going to get even more of what we are doing now.
Let me, before we go to the phone line, Sandy, this is, this is what should be worrisome to any, anybody.
I don't care what side of the coin you are on.
A clip of Senator Lisa Murkowski, representative of Arkansas, Republican Arkansas, a senator making the rounds on social media has ignited controversy because she admitted to feeling intimidated by threats from President Donald Trump and his supporters.
In the video, Murkowski responded to a question about what she said to Americans.
who are worried about speaking out against Trump.
And she said that we are all afraid.
And then added that I am oftentimes very anxious myself about using my voice because his retaliation is real.
Sandy, that's a United States Senator.
Well, of course, and by retaliation, I suspect she's talking not only about personal retaliation against her and her politically, but retaliation against the state of Missouri.
He's already demonstrated his capacity to act capriciously against states at large.
who, for instance, California, a California state that typically votes democratically, treats as a lesser place and stands in the way of federal aid to that area.
I mean, this is a president who is using all the tools of his office for political and personal reasons to enhance the power of Donald Trump.
And we should all be very worried about it because once again, corporations, Jamie Diamond, I'm sure Jamie Diamond was concerned about the capacity of the federal government to turn its guns on his bank, which is the second biggest bank in the United States.
Senator Murkowski, Mark on the text.
may be right to be concerned.
Trump may indeed activate his self-appointed brown shirts to take unofficial retribution against those.
Trump declares enemies of the royal capacity.
The threat of murderous genocies at his disposal that the anti-federalists were concerned about with the proposed office of president may be indeed what we are seeing.
Uh, let's go to, uh, CJ, CJ, you're up.
Morning, Earl and Sandy.
Uh, I'm also known as Paul Harvey, civic media, Paul Harvey to hear the rest of the story.
What's the
rest of the story?
Uh, CJ,
that's, that's a,
that's a CJ.
That's a United States Senator Republican who said she's afraid of the president.
That's not some Democrat.
There's not some leftist.
That's a re that's a Republican United States senator
Well senator mccostie's from Alaska actually, okay, okay?
Well, he's a turncoat.
Oh, you know, um, she's a rhino.
He's a rhino But here's the thing you're
so nobody
wait, you know, you know, see J This
is the last conversation we'll have and but
You know, what does it feel like to be a lemming?
Because, you know, your notion that Senator Murkowski is worthy of being labeled something a rhino, what?
She's not someone who agrees with Donald Trump and his every move.
Her votes are materially in support of what the Republican Party asks her to vote for.
She simply resists on occasion, but you dismiss her.
Yes, I do.
She's usually the one that doesn't stand with the Republicans.
But I want to talk about your show.
Can I talk about your show for a second?
No, you can talk about my show tomorrow.
That's the date that I have set to talk about my show.
So we're talking about right now the inherent dangers that
the person- You had everybody else
talk about your show.
ACJ, I'll see
you
later.
I'll see you later.
Let's go to Whistler.
Good morning to you, Whistler.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl.
And again, I'll try and tune into your podcast, but I'm going to miss you on the open airways right away.
And as far as Senator Mikowski goes, props to her.
Props to her.
They shouldn't be afraid of Trump.
You're right.
I know they are but they shouldn't be
Hey, whistler, thank you very much for the calm man.
You know Sandy You know it really is if you can't see if and you call them a lemon You asked him how does it feel to be a lemon?
He totally ignored it.
Well, I was I was returning I guess I was I was responding
you were right because
because anybody who thinks it's okay for United States Senator to be afraid of the man who's in her party.
Well, I you know he categorized her as something that was to be despised and to be disregarded which was a rhino and a rhino in his mind is someone who Maybe sticks by the old Republican Party ideals, but doesn't stick with Donald Trump when asked to and on every occasion It's
You know, I've come to both like and try to understand and to be angry with people like CJ because I think he's a person as well, very well intended, but he's lined up with this cult and is backing somebody.
Donald Trump, who is hell bent on destroying the Democratic Republic of the United States and turning it into an authoritarian government.
And he's apparently enthused about that prospect or
Sandy.
That's I mean, that's it in a nutshell.
Right.
I mean, you you're going to side with somebody who's destroying this nation as we know it and the American people in it.
And then you're proud.
that because you believe this is your man.
And so you're gonna support all of that nonsense.
Just unacceptable.
Let's go to Bob from Green Bay.
Good morning to you, Bob.
You say what?
Hey, good morning, Earl and Sandy.
A long time listener, one time, second time caller.
And unfortunately, I am on CJ's side here.
When it comes to civic media, you know, I love your show because I love the opposite view of what I believe in.
But, you know, it's a business.
So I think it comes down to numbers and I think the population has actually seen that the stuff that you guys spew is false information.
Oh, you cut me off already, didn't you?
No, no, you're still here, man.
Go ahead.
Oh, okay, okay.
I just hear a bunch of static.
I mean, I heard somebody, I heard Charles calling earlier spewing racist remarks about only non whites are being kicked out of the country.
Senator Murkowski, you guys got the wrong state.
Yeah, you know what?
Hey, well, so, so, so, so if we got the wrong state, then, then, then I deserve 50 lashes for that.
But, but the fact that you won't talk about the fact that you won't talk about whether or not a United States Senator should be afraid of the president of the United States is a bigger issue than me getting the state wrong.
Address that sir.
Well, number one, I want to say, I mean, I brought up racism before you just said 50 lashes.
How racist is that?
I mean, there's a reason you guys are being removed from civic media.
It's because of the missing person.
First, let me
say to you
about,
Hey, Bob, let me first say to you, I'm not being removed from civic media.
You're going to hit my voice on different radio station.
So if you want to talk about false information, that's what you're spreading.
Right?
So.
Here's what I would say to you.
Apparently you haven't listened to conservative talk radio that will not take calls from anybody other than conservatives.
You're on the line as we speak and you weren't cut off.
I'd be interested in understanding what information we've provided that's false.
We've definitely provided opinions that you might not agree with, but I'm wondering what piece of information has ever been provided that I'm aware of that was false during our conversations, because the difference between false information and opinions which you disagree with are like the difference between night and day.
Bring Bob back in.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bob.
I'm in a bed.
Hey, Bob.
You're on the air, man.
Go ahead.
Can you hear me?
Yes, go ahead.
Oh, come on, man.
This is a kind of foolishness that we're talking about.
You call and you don't have the courage to back up what it is you're talking about.
Let's go to Ollie, Mike, I'll come to you after the break, because I want to make sure you get some time.
Good morning to you, Ollie.
You say what?
Oh, I say first off, CJ said one time that he was on the debate team and he likes the opportunity to debate.
So I think a lot of that
what he says and how he acts comes from his wanting the debate floor.
Well, he wasn't very good
at debating.
No, he doesn't care whether he's right or wrong.
He just wants the debate, and that's his whole problem.
But people who have eyes that want to see what's going on and
Now we need to speak up and speak out, no matter who we are or what affiliation we are.
You certainly can see what's happening to the United States of America because of Trump.
And people should not be afraid to speak up and speak out, protest, because that's
the change that we can each one of us make.
And I hope people will do that.
And I would like to know more about the bell ringing thing if you can.
Ali will make sure that I'll see what I can do to get that information out.
Thank you very much.
You know, Ali, that's very well said, Sandy, right?
She was she was right on point.
People
should
have the right to speak out, not be afraid.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, the notion that, well, yeah, absolutely.
Conformity is the worst.
Whether we all conformed to something that people thought was a paradigm or not, conformity is a horror, and that's not what we want.
That would be a duplication of dystopian future that we don't want to live in.
Well, you notice, Sandy, we let Bob on.
We gave him an opportunity to speak, and he did what most...
most of them do.
And when I say them, those who accuse us of saying the wrong things, we gave him an opportunity and what did he do?
He dummied up.
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Where it began I can't begin to know it But then I know it's growing strong Wasn't the spring
And spring became the summer Who'd have believed you'd come along And touchin' hands
Welcome back to the last few minutes of the Earl Ingram and Sandy Williams show here on the Civic Media Radio Network.
We certainly are going to be doing some things in the podcast area.
Let's go right to the phone lines.
Mike, you're up next, man.
Thank you.
Hey, thanks.
Happy Friday, everybody.
You know, I got to tell you.
It's very, very hard listening to certain calls.
I'm talking referencing CJ and Mark here.
You know, a president of the United States wants to elect that he needs to represent all of America, not just conservative.
You know, we must accept the fact that the reason why we're here is because we the people stop
paying attention.
And all of a sudden, you know, next thing we know, the media deregulation, you know, unlimited money that's captured our election.
But the biggest thing for me that is worrisome is when we see an attack on our nation's capital, we see first responders and police officers
in an all afternoon duke it out in our nation's capital.
And we have to listen to people like Mark saying that that that we're not speaking the truth power on the Earl England show.
And yet when confronted about what we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears, they never ever accept any responsibility.
They don't even answer the darn question.
So
My thing is, we're seeing these people, I'll call them sheeple, turning into sacrificial land.
We're seeing our freedoms being taken away.
We're seeing a president of the United States deny any accountability.
I don't care if he was when asked during the campaign about his 2025 policies.
Put his arms up.
I don't know anything about it.
Same thing yesterday with this, uh, you know, sending, uh, uh, the gentleman to out thousands.
Well, I don't know nothing about it.
He says a mainstream media news.
I don't know nothing about it.
You know, enough of this lying here, allowing this, this group of people led by this criminal pervert to, to a message and wag the dog, if you will.
Hey, Mike, we got you, man.
We're running out of time.
Thank you very much for the call.
Chad from Greenfield, you got it.
Hey, Earl and Sandy, I just stumbled upon the bad news.
I just wanted to thank you guys for letting me call over the years, even with our disagreements and all that stuff.
It was fun.
I prefer to listen to your four matches to hear a different side of you.
But when you guys have, you know, the Democrats have 21% approval rating and you guys hammered same talking points that our country, the majority of our countries against, it's just too much to overcome.
And, you know, liberal talk radio is just another civic media is another incarnation of it just keeps failing because you guys keep talking about points that the majority of America highly disagrees with.
Sandy you want
to
hang on chat Sandy you want to respond to
well majorities a term he's using loosely or less than a majority of elected Donald Trump and the polls today would suggest that that majority or that vote wouldn't even be sustained today but you know we express our views I don't know I've
come from the center most of my life and would hardly believe that I'm a leftist.
But apparently the center can move when the right moves further right, the center looks further left.
And I'm afraid that's what's happened to the Republican Party at large.
No, the show, I think, I'll be sorry, the show's ended.
In terms of my involvement, I've really much appreciated it, Earl, in terms of the capacity to be on the show, talk to you.
Your insights are kind of remarkable, I think, and we've had a good deal of fun.
You know, Sandy, you and I, as I stated before, I don't know what other podcasts are, but we're certainly not gonna be going by.
what other podcasts are, and just like we've done the radio show, we're not gonna be limited on the things we talk about, the things that we discuss.
And so, I'm excited about...
this opportunity that you and I are going to have.
And we just wanna make sure and make sure that people in this listening audience know that they can get more of Sandy and Earl as we open up a new chapter.
We're not silenced, okay?
And the last time I checked, I think Sandy podcast can reach a lot further than terrestrial radio.
Is it safe to say that?
Yeah, absolutely.
So I know I'm enthused about where we're going to and what we're going to talk about, which I think is going to be matters that are not very partisan and much more related to what it is that Tom Dick and Mary worry about and think about.
And you will be hearing more from us soon.
Sandy, thank you very much.
We'll talk soon.
Yep.
Thank everybody who made the show go Monday.
Again, it's going to be all all callers.
You have an opportunity to speak.
Unencumbered uninterrupted to talk about what the show meant to you.
See you guys on Monday.
