Milwaukee’s Future- Freshwater for Life Coalition (Hour 1)

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How you doing, man?

Good morning, Earl.

Good morning, Earl.

I'm having a great day, man.

Feeling fantastic.

How about yourself?

Hey, man, every day you wake up, when you get to be Robert in my age, it's a great day.

So never any bad days.

So, you know, Fresh Water For Life Action Coalition, my good friend Mr. Robert Miranda is on the docket.

Good morning to you, brother.

How you doing, man?

Hey,

good morning, Earl.

Good morning.

Yeah, you're right, man.

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Let's go.

So you know, Robert, I've been at this fork in the road before.

I know one thing about radio, it changes.

and you gotta be willing to change with the winds of change.

So, you know, I'm excited about another new chapter.

You and I are gonna be working more together to address what I know horrific situations that are occurring in our city that don't get followed enough.

the largest city in the entire state and yet the issues that impact our community lag.

And so I'm excited about having an opportunity man to work inside of our community and to fight the injustice that continues to happen in the city of Milwaukee to people who are marginalized.

and never talked about it, never thought about it in this state.

I'm just sorry, those are the facts.

And so we're going to have a great time, a great opportunity to bring forth a lot of pain that happens in our community and, you know, and highlight the good things.

Your thoughts,

Rob.

Congratulations first.

That's just awesome and great news.

And it moves you in a venue that basically allows for discussion to be in its rawest form.

And that kind of discussion seems to be attracting a lot of people who really want to hear the kind of truth, the kind of facts

that normally would not be broadcast over airwaves and would threaten the Indian companies because of advertiser boycotts.

I mean, that's the reality of this thing.

And that's why podcasts are just...

as fast as they are growing.

I mean, very successful broadcasts are even doing as good or better than some of the established radio stations out there.

And so to have a podcast of your own, The Arrow Ingram Show, to be able to just basically say,

the raw truth.

They give the insights that really cause people to critically think and analyze and give them all the details and the facts without any reservation of coming from you to them and giving them the opportunity to really understand the issue.

It's just a beautiful

perfect scenario that is coming your way.

And a great thing for the city of Milwaukee and for the area for the state of Wisconsin is just a great thing to be able to be able to be in a venue that allows you to say the things that need to be said and in its rawest way.

Or you know, Robert, we are going to be doing a great podcast.

People are going to be

Just thrilled by the podcast that we are going to be doing with get the lead out That's in the works that is going to be Earth moving and will be heard all over the nation Because what we've been talking about you and I and and our colleagues Dr. Yana and and Paul Schwartz and people from all over this nation who are engaged and involved in

the problem with lead in the water, we're gonna be unvarnished.

And so, you know, there are things that you can say, as you stated before, truths, you can tell anybody who knows me knows that's always been who I am and, you know, unvarnished.

And so I'm not the kind of guy who's gonna dance around the issues.

There are enough people dancing around issues.

in our nation.

And today, if ever, there was a time that needed to be courage and forthrightness.

It's now.

So I'm excited about what we're getting ready to do.

But before we get into all of what we're getting ready to do, I wanna bring Al on quickly.

And then we're gonna go into one of the things that we're gonna be focusing on a lot.

And that's the fact that over 60,000 children in Milwaukee public schools being poisoned by lead every day.

Every day, man.

And that's not important enough of an issue that gets fixed.

Well, now the federal government and the CDC doesn't have anybody to work with.

You know because Donald Trump and and those cut people That can be acceptable Robert They spent a hundred million dollars for a state Supreme Court seat I Don't want to hear there's no money man You spend a hundred million dollars To get somebody elected and you know that sixty thousand children's lives

I jeopardize in Milwaukee public schools or whatever the number is.

And all we're hearing is, well, we can't get it done.

What the hell are you talking about, man?

Well, you know, don't forget, Tangerine Man wants to spend $100 million on a military parade.

Yeah, come on, man.

I mean, and then don't also forget.

how much it's costing the taxpayer for, uh, Mr. Orange to go golfing

tomorrow.

Come on now.

Yeah.

So the one thing that's for certain, I'm never going to stop talking the way I talk because I know that we live in a, in a time where there are not enough people who have the courage to speak the truth.

There's always a price to be paid in America for speaking the truth and And so but you know, that's who I've always been I'm never going to change that for anybody For a position on the radio or anywhere man people need to know Exactly what's taking place We're in a in a horrific time right now in this society

And we need voices to speak out and to challenge it and to wake people up.

Because it's not going to get any better.

Al, how you doing, man?

You say what?

Al.

Hey, Al, you're on the line.

Okay, man, we'll come back.

I think you left out speechless

We'll go back to come back to LA but but I want everybody to know that Monday I'm going to I'm gonna just have for the full two hours an opportunity for all the listeners and all the people Who have supported the Earl Ingram show?

To give you an opportunity for those two hours to share your thoughts

on what you thought of what what I attempted to do.

But but understand I'm not going anywhere.

I'm just not going to be on the airways every day.

But my voice is only going to be silence.

You know, Robert, when the Graham Reaper pays a visit until then, you know, I'm going to continue to raise hell.

You know,

because what is the alternative, Robert, if we're not willing to fight back against injustice?

What's the alternative, man?

Yeah, well, you know, might as well go ahead and crawl in the cave and wait for things to change, you know, because it ain't gonna change if you just sit there in the cave waiting for it to change.

We gotta come out and fight back, and that's the best way to do it.

Yeah, and I've

never been one to tiptoe through the tulips.

I'm sorry man, this is not who actually Robert, we are, right?

That's right.

We're just not that, we're not made this way, you're not.

We're not the tiny Tim,

but the tiny Tim.

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My guest is the one and only Robert Miranda, Fresh Water for Life Action Coalition.

Al, are you there?

So I've been here all the time.

All right, we couldn't hear you.

Can

you hear me

now?

Yeah, I can hear you now.

OK.

First of all, I don't know.

Join you old people.

Hey, Rob, how you doing?

We've been battling together since the 70s.

Yeah, we've

been

at

it.

Water and all this other stuff.

But I just want to say your opening statement was a nice way of saying I've been dumped.

You know, you said.

You're talking about telling the truth.

I tell it the way it is.

But either way, it's a matter of we appreciate all that you've done up to this point and what you're going to do in the future, even though it's going to be limited to the city of Milwaukee, because they don't want you hurt all over the state and beyond.

He's talking about the children in the schools.

When I worked for Milwaukee Public Schools, there was 126,000 children in the school system, but that includes my children.

My daughter will be retiring next year with 33 years of teaching in Milwaukee Public Schools.

She's drinking the water too.

So we're concerned about not just the children staff.

and everyone who's exposed.

But everybody knows these buildings were built at a time when almost all pipes were made out of lead and they have not changed those pipes ever.

And in order to do that, you have to tear down some of these old buildings.

We got buildings operational that were built in the 1800s and those that were built before 1956.

all of them have lead pipes in them.

So the exposure is not just to the kids, it's to everyone who has to consume water through that system.

And they're skirting around it.

They've been skirting around it for years and years, but spending millions and millions of dollars on other things that are not relevant to people's health.

Just wanted to put my two cents in.

Hey, Al, thank you.

Before you let Al

go, is Al still there?

Yeah.

He's still there.

Al, has your daughter ever had her blood levels tested?

Yes.

She's had a number of different health issues over the years, but they've never been pinpointed to being around the lead, but they weren't looking for that.

See, that's what she should have them do when she goes in for medical checkup again.

Find out what the level of lead in her blood is and see if there's a link to some of her ailments that can be made if her blood lead levels are higher than 3.5 micrograms per deciliter.

I will make sure she knows that.

She's worked at one of the schools that they closed recently and has La Follette.

So, uh... Well, you know, uh... It's possible that she has... Go ahead, go ahead.

No, no, finish your point, finish your point.

No, I'm saying that some of the elements that she's had over the years, uh, may be related because she's worked in some of the older buildings in the city.

And so...

that I'm going to make sure she does that.

Hell, we got to run.

And thank you very much for the call.

Let me let me say this.

The the the lead paint issue, you know, Milwaukee public schools right now, Robert is looking to sue.

This is just this is just mind boggling to me.

The school board.

For Milwaukee public schools is threatening to sue the paint manufacturers The only problem with that is Robert the 30 years late The paint manufacturers have already been sued You know for for lead the problem with the lead paint I don't know if you if trying to bring

back up that issue is gonna fly.

But go ahead.

Yeah, the school board is asking the Milwaukee City Attorney to explore the possibility of a lawsuit of the manufacturers.

Now, you're absolutely right, the manufacturer's lead paint industry has been sued before.

There is a case in California where the lawsuit, which actually, you know, a lawsuit takes years.

But in California, that lawsuit took almost, I don't know, about 15, 19 years.

And they didn't even go to court.

They just did a settlement.

And so that wasn't really a court kind of decision.

Now, as you know, Milwaukee also filed the lawsuit against the lead paint industry.

And that lawsuit initially did well for Milwaukee, but then Milwaukee lost on appeal.

And there was never a appeal by the city to fight against that appeal.

But again, this is an attempt by the school board, I guess, to make it look like they're gonna do something.

something, but I wouldn't put all my ducks in this effort.

This is just something to look at.

There are other ways and means to see about trying to get some revenue to cover the costs related to this.

So, you know, go for it up or try something.

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My good friend Robert Miranda.

is on the docket.

Fresh water for life action coalition on the Erlingroom show.

you

you can join us at eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two you can text us that same number my guess is Robert Miranda fresh water for life action coalition you know Robert the you know we've been here before with the latest you

It's not going away.

And the only way it's ever gonna go away, Robert, is if it's forced to go away.

And so if people aren't willing to step up and fight, we're gonna get what we've been getting, and that's the continued poisoning of the American people, right?

Let me do this.

Let's bring Rita on quickly from the cross.

Good morning to Rita.

You say what?

Earl, I just wanted to call and tell you that you've been a blessing to us, my family.

Whenever you guys came to La Crosse, it just gave us a voice.

And I'm just going to miss you so much.

You and Dom have made my day every day.

So

I

just wanted to say that.

Well, I want to thank you.

And, you know, regardless of what people say, my voice is not going away.

I am not going to be in this time slot every day, but you'll be hearing my voice in different ways.

I'm not hearing.

So, you know, you'll be able to see me and hear me in a different, you know.

Form but I'm still gonna be around and I thank you very much and just keep listening cause I'm not going anywhere Thank you very much You know Robert so all of these children Man, who's gonna fight for them man, right?

If you and I if you and I don't keep the fight going You know Cuz I remember the fight early on in the city of Milwaukee man when you

first started pressing the issue of lead in the water.

And you were fighting.

You remember this old this old axiom?

You can't fight city hall.

You remember that?

Right, right.

And you start and you start fighting.

And and you would come on my show.

And and I don't know if anybody else in radio had you on their show.

But you and I became inseparable because I had you on talking about the lead in the wider issues, the poisoning of our community that nobody else was talking about, man.

Right.

It's evident and very clear that our partnership in those years provided a venue for the message to radiate to the people.

And the reason why we were so successful in bringing down the cover up that took place during the Barrett administration in those years about lead pipes and lead and water is because the your venue, your show gave a voice to the movement to be able to put out the message.

that people can listen to and then people can then on their own research fact check do everything they need to do in order to determine.

if what we were saying was actually un-messaged, was true, was factual, was scientifically based.

And as the months went on and the people were listening and the people were paying attention and they were grasping what was being said and they were doing their own research and finding out that what we were saying was actually on point, spot on.

That's when the veil of the cover up at City Hall started to fold.

And you could see it happening in the beginning when key top bureaucratic administrators of the Barrett administration started to resign, started to leave, started to just all of a sudden quit their jobs.

Yeah, like

dumb.

Yeah.

And that was the first sign that we knew.

that the situation was unfolding over there.

And as time went on and more and more of not only the high level, but mid management level bureaucrats started resigning and leaving, it got to the point where he was all alone.

I mean, it got to the point where.

in the beginning and you recall because I remember you being there and you made me laugh when I said something about Bob and you were the loudest laugh there.

and all the involvement with that smirk out his face, even when the evidence was in his face.

We had that presentation with all the screens and everything.

And he's just there with a smirk out his face and not even reading the facts.

This was data that was supplied by city government, by state government.

This is their own data we're putting in front of them.

And he's just...

squirming and grinning and smirking.

And I said, you know, and it's time we got to get rid of these elected officials with these big squirreling smiles on them.

And you laugh so loud, I started laughing.

You know, Robert, radio is still a very powerful medium.

Yes,

it is.

And it's certainly.

can be a is a vehicle where the average person gets a chance.

I've always looked at radio as and especially my role in it as a as a guy who's never been trained in radio and in how to be a radio talk show host, you know, I'm I'm not that, you know, what I am is an average guy.

who loves this community, who loves, like you, Robert, truth, okay?

And so it never gonna compromise that.

And so that's why you and I have hooked up and why, you know, watching the work that you've done and continue to do and what we're gonna be doing on even a grander scale in the podcast series that we're gonna be doing through Civic Media.

about the lead issue.

I'm telling you, man, I'm really thrilled because I know we're going to do some great work that will be heard all over the nation and recognize all over the nation and couldn't do that without civic media.

So I have to be thankful to civic media for giving us the opportunity to do that.

We're going to do it in first class manner.

Exactly.

Yeah, but it's going to be it's going to be a great

great podcast because the works are all in the lineup of international and national experts on this issue is being tied up right now.

Those are being confirmed.

There's going to be so much good information coming out about all the shenanigans, all of the cover-ups, all of the attempts to

just mislead the public about how this toxin works in our community, how it affects our lives every day, the street, the schools, businesses.

I mean, it's just one of those insidious secrets that the

powerful elite and government have tried to hide and cover up from the people so that the people do not get wise to what it is exactly that's causing this kind of behavior that we see out there.

I mean you've got to think to yourself what

causes individuals to wear their pants around their ass, I mean, around their butt.

You know, I mean, you know, rational people, thinking logical people do not do things like that, you know, but people who have been impacted because of a neurotoxin such as lead, you know,

All of that stuff, we're going to have scientists who are going to be speaking about that stuff.

We're going to have people who are going to be talking about how this all impacts crime, and how all this impacts school achievement, and how government has been treating this in a way that doesn't address the root issue, and that's to get rid of this toxin, but to go ahead and hire more police to saturate the neighborhoods,

to create the communities.

And instead of putting money into removing this, they take that money so that they could build up their Camelots in cities all over the country.

It's gonna be a great

show.

You know, Robert, I got to thinking about myself and working in industry for 34 years.

I worked in a plant that was over a hundred

15 years old.

And so, you know, imagine the lead in the water that we were exposed to in the plant.

There were no filters.

And I worked there for 34 years.

So it's safe to say that all of us who worked in those plants and not just A.L.

Smith, but Alan Bradley, Alex Sharma, Slitz, Paps, Miller on and on and on and all of those canneries and foundries and dropforges all had lead pipes because those plants were all built hundreds of years ago.

They were never updated.

So all of us.

They've been exposed to that.

And so nobody's talking about that, right?

So many people who die young.

And not knowing why they died, right?

and so many people are age, not understanding why they're having certain ailments, not understanding, I mean, they're in good shape, they're doing well, but they have certain things that are going on that, you know, they don't understand why they're being, they're sick.

You know, again, lead is a kind of toxin that hides itself in the body and causes these ailments to occur.

You know, I tell people, look.

you don't have to see it overtly to see that you've been impacted by lead.

Look at those Marines at Camp Lejeune and all the years they were poisoned with all those toxins in the water they were drinking.

They didn't get sick immediately.

They didn't find out that they were ailing until they were in their 60s, until they were in their 70s.

And that's when it was brought out that the reason for the ailments they had

have the reason for the physical issues that they have is because they were drinking that water that was tainted with chemicals and poisons.

That's the same thing going on with us here in Milwaukee and the people in Milwaukee drinking these lead water.

So it's the same thing.

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You know Robert, part of what we are faced with and what we're dealing with is the fact that corporations have waxed rich in this nation.

And at the root of many of those corporations and their wealth has been the fact that human beings and people who helped them gain that wealth have basically been exposed to a lot of different things in their lives for the most part have just been sacrificed.

And not right, never been right.

And so the only way that there's ever any measure of retribution is for people to fight, right?

They're not gonna just say, oh, we were wrong.

That's not the way it goes.

Yeah, we are right now in the midst of fighting back against a corporate culture that's trying to take over our lives.

The corporate culture concerns itself as one thing and that is to eat as much as it can.

That's all it wants to do is eat as much as it can.

And if it means to destroy human life on this planet, it will.

It will do that.

It will sacrifice environment.

It will sacrifice humanity.

It will sacrifice our water supply.

It'll sacrifice our oxygen.

It'll do our food.

It'll do anything in order to obtain that power and that wealth that it wants.

And that's the kind of culture that is in the White House right now.

that corporate culture, we see it right now with the manipulating of the stock market.

We see it right now with the way this guy is playing with the lives of human beings by not bringing back that American citizen from El Salvador.

This guy is showing us what the corporate culture is all about and deregulation.

Waking in government is all about helping that culture to eat as much as it can and destroy as much as it can.

And who are the beneficiary?

The billionaires that control that culture, the billionaires that run the culture, the richest man in the world, Elon Musk.

I mean, these people, these people have no heart.

They have no shame.

They are only out.

to win the game entirely.

There is a big competition among them.

Who's going to be the first trillionaire in the world?

That's the goal of some of these guys.

Who's going to be the first trillionaire in the world?

And to get there, you've got to destroy a lot of humanity.

You've got to destroy a lot of human civilization and the environment to get there.

And these guys are willing to do it.

They're showing it now.

What president in the history of the United States takes a golf outing in the middle of prices?

I mean, come on now.

This is just appalling, and if we don't fight back, and if we don't stand up against this kind of insidious, evil...

way of life, we're going to lose a lot more than just the material things that are around us.

Let's bring Marty and Marty, you're up.

Good morning guys, great conversation.

Just to Robert's point, couldn't have been a better setup.

You know, Earl, I follow this money and downtown, down in Camelot, in the past 100 days,

We've been able to give $30 million to Summerfest to build a trail around the park We've been able to give we maneuvered a $50 million parking structure out of the deer district In order to pay for the hop so the hop is paid for for free, you know the free hop has money to support it For the for the foreseeable future and third we just gave a developer

This is a developer that said he would not agree to any community benefits for the neighbors and for the people of Milwaukee.

We gave this developer a $3 million piece of land on the river for nothing, for absolutely zero, so that he could have some green space around his brand new project on the river there by that old flower shop downtown.

politics is about priorities.

We got money for a lot of things, Earl.

We don't have money for school, but we got money for Camelot.

So Marty, so Marty, let me say this to you.

So listen, man, those are the kinds of issues and things that I'm going to be highlighting.

OK, so, you know, regardless

of what,

well, regardless of what what people may think, those are the kinds of things that that I'm going to be focusing on.

Hey, Robert, we gotta run, man.

All right, brother.

You and I will stay in touch.

We got a lot of work to do.

All right.

All right.

Take care of our friend.

All right.

Up next, Dr. Robert Craig, Executive Director of Citizen Action, and you on the Earl Ingram show.

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Good morning, Chief, my friend.

How are

you?

Good morning, Earl.

I would say I'm personally well.

Well, yeah, personally, we are.

But you know, Dr. Craig, while...

We keep hearing about, you know, Donald Trump and his minions refusing to follow the judge's orders.

I think sometimes we forget, you know, that when they focusing on those things, we lose sight of what's happening with Medicaid.

We lose sight with...

this article that's in today's New York Times with Thomas Friedman, of all people.

Great writer, Dr. Craig, great economist, been around a long time, won all sorts of awards.

And he said, I have never been more afraid for my country's future.

Now, this is not just some guy sitting on a bus stop, Dr. Craig.

This is a man who is, you know, has received the greatest of awards in journalism and a longtime journalist that is respected across, you know, the Republican, Democrat, independent, whoever it is.

Let me read this quick.

So, so much crazy happens with the Trump administration every day that some downright weird but incredibly telling stuff gets lost in the noise.

A recent example was the scene on April 8th at the White House where, in the middle of his raging trade war, our president decided it was the perfect time to sign an executive order to bolster coal mining.

We're bringing back an industry that was abandoned, said President Trump, surrounded by coal miners and hard hats, members of a workforce that has declined to about 40,000 from 70,000 over the last decade, according to Reuters.

We're going to put the miners back to work.

For good measure, Trump added about these miners.

You could give them a penthouse on Fifth Avenue and a different kind of a job, and they'd be happy.

They want a mind cold, and that's what they love to do.

Dr. Craig, it's just one of many things that are happening that the American people aren't even aware of.

Only a man who clearly is troubled.

would be single-handedly trying to bring back and put people back into coal mines, knowing the impact of what happens to those miners in the coal mines, Dr. Craig, help me understand.

Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna understand this in a logical, rational way if we're a species that actually can act on its own self-interest, which is...

maintaining a habitable planet.

Now, you mentioned the Albrego Garcia case at the beginning and how that gets all the attention.

This is the problem with Trump's communication strategy, which is extremely effective.

That is, it's not one rabbit we're trying to watch under hats in front of a magician.

It's a hundred rabbits.

And so, you know, that some of the cases are the big orange rabbit.

that maybe you're watching when the more important, smaller rap, you're not noticing that.

But we have to try to notice all of it.

But I think he's also maybe misstepping on that case as well, because if there is a kind of a case that can turn people around on these lies about who immigrants are, and Trump's real intentions, which are removing due process period,

that government sends your gang member, your gang member, and there could be no due process whatsoever to prove anything, and we can disappear you to a foreign gulag.

I mean, now this is a Salvador prison.

It's essentially a gulag.

But you're absolutely right about coal.

And here's the thing.

It's a lie.

It's so many levels, Earl.

It's hard to unpack it all.

First, it's a lie because we can't afford, as a species, as a planet, to keep burning coal.

We will have runaway

And huge portions of the earth we uninhabitable and the problems we have are almost unimaginable if we do that.

We have five years to cut emissions in half.

In addition to all the other death, the air pollution, right, the black lawn, everything

else.

But in another level, he's lying to the coal miners because coal is more expensive.

than other energy alternatives, both solar and wind, but also natural gas.

And so there's no market for it.

It's like promising the stagecoach drivers around the turn of the 19th to the 20th century that,

you know,

we're going to have all those stagecoach jobs again.

It's not true.

It's not going to happen.

Now, he is, he may be able to greatly undermine our chance of a greater climate change, but it isn't going to be because he massively increases coal.

And I even know, I mean,

West Virginia has become very red.

It's not going to vote Democrat anytime soon.

This is just a weird ritual thing with Trump, where he claims that he is the person.

He has the power to restore some previous golden age.

It wasn't all that golden with all the black smokestacks.

The real solution would be to provide 21st century green jobs to all of these unemployed folks in coal country, right?

And in greater Appalachia, he has no plan for that.

He has no plan for them.

And he has a plan that jeopardizes the future of the species and the future generations and kids and everything we love.

You know, you know, Dr. Craig, he's he's promising to people.

That he's going to bring back.

A. O. Smith, Alan Bradley, Alex Chalmers, Slitz, Miller, Paps, kind of an OK in America.

He's promising people.

that those things are coming back and we're gonna turn back the clock and all those manufacturing jobs are coming back and we're gonna go back to the way it was during my lifetime when I could walk out of high school and go into a place and work 34 years and live a middle.

It's not going to happen because, and even if he could do that, even if those jobs came back, Dr. Craig, automation.

has claimed that type of work.

Most of those companies in China are highly automated, Dr. Craig.

The manufacturing is all highly automated.

It's why they're so successful is because it's automated.

And automation is not going to allow for 6,000 or 8,000 people to work in one plant anymore.

So you're very right.

And the conceptual mistake, I mean, it's always, you know, talking about theologic of Trumpism is oxymoron in itself, right?

But it, people were brought to this city, Milwaukee.

We're sitting in, we're sitting in, we're sitting in Milwaukee and Racine now, I know the studio is in Racine, great former manufacturing centers, right?

Folks like your family, Earl, Rafael Smith, our organizing director's family.

You didn't come here to do the particular kind of manufacturing or just because you wanted to work for a particular company.

You came for the good union supporting jobs, raise a family on, and then set up your kids to do better than you did, right?

We could do that, but it wouldn't be the old manufacturing jobs exactly.

There could be some more of that, but just think about this, Earl.

We need, in order to prevent runaway climate change, what we really need to do,

is to put solar panels on every house.

We should do it.

And at battery storage, offer it to every house.

And you need a huge workforce to do that.

It could be a union workforce.

There's a union contractor doing weatherization in Milwaukee and now other parts of the Green Homes United.

That's a laborers union, you know, part of the laborers union.

So we could do that.

We could create all those jobs.

That could be much better and more enjoyable work than the old manufacturing jobs.

But Trump is not really interested in restoring the relative economic equality of the post-war era and the access to good jobs for everyone, not just people with the right college degrees.

He's actually interested in just dividing people and making false promises to people so he can be the dictator.

And the question is, the whole...

Part of the population is going to fall for it.

It doesn't take that many people, 5% people switch and we maintain the mechanisms of democracy, actually fair actual elections.

Then he can be voted out and his whole party can be voted out.

But we're at a turning point now.

I think Senator Chris Murphy is right that the future democracy is determined in the next few months, not the next few years.

You know, you know, Dr. Craig, this is Charlie Sykes.

Remember Charlie Sykes?

the conservative.

I know.

I

think I was the last recipient of the Deep Tunnel Award, right?

I did this last week on the air.

So,

so, so Charlie Sykes said yesterday, uh, we're way past the tipping point.

Since I sent out, uh, this morning's email, Donald Trump openly defied the US Supreme Court.

So an urgent update seems necessary.

In a meeting with president of El Salvador, both men scoffed at the notion that they could comply with a nine-to-nothing ruling to return a Maryland man who was wrongly deported.

Of course, I'm not going to do it, the president said.

And when he was asked whether he would return Kilmer, Armado, Abrego, Garcia, at his side, Trump set smirking.

And just like

The President of the United States openly defied a unanimous ruling by the nation's highest court.

The constitutional crisis we've been waiting for is here.

That's Charlie Sykes, Dr. Craig, not you and me.

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You know, my guess is Dr. Robert Craig, Executive Director of Citizen Action.

But Dr. Craig, I'm just, you know, for people who don't know what time it is.

When Charlie Sykes, when Milton Freeman, and many other voices, prominent voices, give warnings to the American people.

We should take heed, shouldn't we?

Now, Charlie's career is quite interesting.

One could write, you know, the twists and terms of how he was, okay, he was kind of a liberal Republican, then leaned into right-wing talk radio and did a lot to damage Milwaukee to divide it, racially prevent us from having metro transit like, like right rail across the region.

other things.

Northridge Maul is partly close because of him, because of his demagoguery, but then he refused to bow the knee and go all the way to Trump and now has become a defender of some level of democracy.

I'm not sure what Charlie really believes, but he's a talented man who has a way with words and is good on TV and radio, and so he is playing a useful role now, which I guess is all that we can really ask of everyone is to fight for democracy now regardless of

what checkered past they might have, but he's right.

I mean, in this case, you have the Supreme Court, while still trying to give as much leeway as possible, essentially said you have to, I mean, the words were to facilitate this man's return, who you admit was wrongly picked up and that you provided no evidence that he was a gang member, and they won't do it.

Trump smirking yesterday in the press conference with the joint appearance with the El Salvadorian dictator.

It's just, I mean, the cruelty is the point.

But this judge is having none of it, this federal district court judge in Maryland, and she is forcing them into two weeks of depositions and holding over their head that there could be contempt charges.

She is going to try to get it out of them.

But they refused to write any information.

So they're really pushing the envelope.

And the question with the Supreme Court ruling here when they appealed up to them is, obviously, they had to write the lightest defense of due process as possible in order to appease the right wing of their court, just as is Thomas Gorsuch, Elito.

And do those men?

care anything about the process?

Does this offend them that the Trump administration is ignoring the role of the courts entirely and advocating to itself, Earl, because this applies to citizens as well.

And Trump said that in the joint appearance with the El Salvadorian dictator that now he wants to go for homegrown people.

This says if you have a foreign policy cover, you've declared a fake emergency that there's a war against the United States and it falls within the realm of foreign policy.

then there is no due process, no court judicial review whatsoever.

And if they say you're dangerous and they send you to a gulag in El Salvador or somewhere else that nothing could be done about, that is as chilling, the words that hyperbole has become, it's almost like you need to raise it in order to meet the standard.

But this is as chilling a thing as we have seen in the whole Trump experience.

Let's go to David.

Good morning to you, David.

You say what?

Oh, thanks, Errol and Dr. Yeah, two different things.

The you were talking about the executive orders and how bizarre they were.

I saw one piece about you remember, Trump was trying to declare that he wasn't getting enough hot water or he wasn't even getting water pressure.

Right.

And so he made an executive order so that the water pressure would be increased.

Well, if you've ever been in a skyscraper, like 30 stories up, taller than that even, it's extremely expensive to send water up that high.

If I remember right, an average pump can only push it like 150 feet.

That's like 15 stories.

And then you got to get another pump to pump it up even higher, even higher, even higher.

And so just to flush a toilet at

30 stories, 50 stories, whatnot, could be five bucks.

Just that amount of water is extremely expensive to get up there.

And he's basically a welfare cheat, Trump is, because he's trying to get the taxpayers to pay for that rather than the building.

And for him to do a mandate, it's essentially forcing the taxpayers to pay for the high life in the penthouses.

So, yeah, that's one scam.

The second thing I was going to raise was about El Salvador.

I don't know if you've seen, there's apparently some satellite footage about mysterious courtyard in that prison, which apparently has blood, massive amounts of blood, and what may be a mass grave.

And this report goes on to say that the prison itself

is built to hold 40,000 people who never get out to see the light of day.

They've got to stay inside all the time.

So that's obviously going to kill them without vitamin C or vitamin D, but that it's overcrowded at 40,000.

And if Trump wants to send more down there, then they're going to have to kill people in order to be able to hold them.

Hey, David, thank you very much for the call.

You know, you know, Dr. Craig, just the fact that, you know, the man talks about sending American citizens himself.

He's he's telling the president to build even more of those gulags.

And and yet, you know, if people don't see that as a crisis, Dr. Craig.

I don't know, right?

I mean, that's the fear that there's still people who still blindly follow that in the face of all the things.

As Charlie Sykes has just said, Dr. Craig, this thing is almost already a fader complete.

I mean, this is a step beyond Guantanamo, which

You know, there are a lot of people who were never found guilty of anything that were held there, but it was nominally at least under U.S.

jurisdiction and there were court proceedings concerning it and some people were released.

This new loophole is created.

Find a friendly decade overseas and ship people over there.

This this abrogates the entire U.S.

Constitution and they do process rights are fundamental.

It's what the country is founded

on.

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You know, Dr. Craig, you talked about all the different rabbits in the hats.

You know, because of tariffs and all these other things,

One of the most closely watched parts of the GOP sprawling domestic policy bill could start coming together in less than a month and what that is dr. Craig is Medicaid the Medicaid fight We're not talking about those things dr. Craig and it's and it's on the horizon and and you know

better than most, the impact of the cuts to Medicaid, which I don't care how many times they say they weren't going to do it.

And Donald Trump said he wasn't going to do it.

With them just about ready to pass that $4.1 trillion tax break, Medicaid is going to happen.

They're going to impact it.

Is it safe to say that?

I don't know that they can get the votes or all with the public reaction that I read this and you're right.

It hasn't gotten much attention in the national media stream just occasional and it drops off.

But out in congressional districts and we've we've led a whole number of town hall meetings.

People are on fire about it because it directly impacts so many people because.

We have a fifth of all people using Medicaid for their health care.

It provides the predominant amount of long-term care for seniors with disabilities.

It's like 40% of all childbirths.

I mean, it's ripping health care away from people who have nowhere else to go because the health care system is unaffordable unless you happen to have a job that provides good health benefits.

Even then, you have trouble with the deductibles and the co-pays and the coinsurance.

Every interaction is a big surprise, Bill, given the way the healthcare industry is just extracting resources out of everyday folks.

But it is toxic for them.

The Senate instructions are six and a half trillion in tax cuts.

They're adding new tax cuts.

And the way they get away with that is that they claim that the original tax cuts are free because they already exist, which the Senate parliamentarian probably is not going to agree with, but

Who knows, but unlike the Democrats, they probably go up in fire at the Senate Parliamentary and she rules differently than they want.

So I think that this is the first opportunity to deal Trump a major defeat where he can't pass a budget.

Because even right wing members of Congress like Derek Van Orden in your listening area in Western Wisconsin, who's in a swing district.

are running around denying they got cut Medicaid when they voted for the instructions that require them to cut Medicaid.

880 billion instructed to be cut by the Committee of Jurisdiction over Medicaid.

There's nowhere else for them to go unless they were going to Medicare, which is even in higher third rail, even higher voltage than Medicaid is, both high voltage.

So I think this is a little like the whole ACA fight that many ways blocked everything further in the Trump administration.

It's one they can lose, but people need to get involved.

And it would be a triumph of democracy, just like defeating their long promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, also is a triumph of democracy, but the people overcame a party that was, at that point, hellbent on doing damage to the country.

So

go

ahead, Dr. Ray.

You know, I was just going to say, I think that

The fight is far from over and this is an opportunity for democracy to prove it can work by the people making it possible for them to get the votes.

So Dr. Craig, if they do go through with the tax break, the only other place they can go if they don't go to Medicaid is Social Security, Medicare, and the military.

to offset that kind of tax break or to add that much more debt.

They don't have many options, Dr. Craig.

So they seem to be held bent on giving the tax cuts.

So what else is there?

Well, can they, people like Darren Van Orden know if you take that vote, you'll greatly increase your chance of losing in 2026.

So it's a put them in a catch 22.

They're not offsetting all the tax cuts.

Just everyone knows they're still adding three, four trillion to the debt, depending on whether you look at the senator, the house instructions and the Senate instructions are now the ones the house has adopted.

So they're not offsetting all of it.

I assume that their solution may be to try to not cut Medicaid at all.

if they can't get away with it and still do the tax cuts, or to try to cut Medicaid in some complicated way that people won't understand it's a cut, that they can get away with it somehow, but make no mistake.

The only way to save money on Medicaid is to drive people off of Medicaid, so whatever mechanism they create.

For example, Earl, they could convert

what we have now, which is they pay a certain percentage of the cost of Medicaid for every state adjusted to the poverty level of that state.

In other words, the deep red states, like the Deep South, most of them get much higher amounts than Wisconsin, but Connecticut, which is Richard in Wisconsin, we get lower proportions.

It's called the federal match.

Instead, just to give the state something flat.

Well, what that's essentially going to do is it's going to force massive cuts on the part of the states and put it on state legislators and governors.

None of them want to make that decision.

So we see Robin Boss and the leadership of the, uh, and, uh, Senator Majority Leader LaMahieu worried that they're going to be left holding the bag with what they try to do on Medicaid.

Are they talking to Trump or Van Orden?

or Senator Johnson, I doubt it, but that may be one of their tricks.

We need to make it clear that whatever mechanism they use, it's a mechanism to drive people, take health care away from people, from average people in order to give huge tax cuts to corporations and billionaires.

Let's go back to the phone lines.

Let's go to Tom from LA.

Good morning to you, Tom.

You say what?

Good morning, Earl.

Good morning, Dr. Craig.

In fact, we're going to ask you a couple of questions about people.

Which president brought up Social Security and Medicaid?

That's my first question.

Has

he brought

them up?

Well, you know, go ahead, Tom.

Yeah, I'm asking him the question.

What president was it?

Well, Tom, you know, you know, you know, you know, he knows, Tom, you know, he knows, but what's your point?

I know he knows, but I want this for the audience as well, Earl.

Who brought up Social Security and

Medicare?

Tom, Tom, people I wear, go

ahead.

Fine.

My point is, why does not the Democratic Party call himself the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the party of Lyndon Johnson?

the part of going back to the roots of what made the social safety that the envy of the world and the other parts of the country have done exactly what they put into place.

I don't understand it.

I don't understand why it is that they never uttered the name FDR and they never uttered Lyndon Johnson.

You know what's fine, we screwed up on the Vietnam War.

Lyndon Johnson can own that.

But you know what?

We as Democrats need to take back where it was that we started the safety net and start talking like they did in terms of bringing back the roots of the Democratic Party, which was above the safety net.

The Republicans have done nothing in the past 50 years.

OK,

Tom, we got you.

Thank you very much for the code.

Dr. Craig, you want to respond?

Wow.

We need to reinvent the New Deal and Great Society in the 21st century.

And Democrats up until now have not been ambitious enough.

That's why there's a real sorting out going on the party and a real debate as to what its direction should be.

But obviously...

government is not a can do government anymore up from the new deal to the great society.

We had a sense we could solve any problem and had big ambitions.

And now, oh, you can't make healthcare affordable.

You can't make sure everyone has childcare.

We can't do anything with the climate crisis.

Well, we've actually created, the liberals have been part of creating a lot of procedural mechanisms in government, all sorts of checks on it that make it impossible for it to actually achieve things.

And ironically, what that has done is it's made a lot of people frustrated that their lives aren't getting better, their problems aren't going to be solved, and therefore more open to a demagogue like Donald Trump.

Now, there's still a population that might be mobilized by talking about FDR and LBJ.

But let's face it, a substantial, a very high persuasion of voters are too young to remember that.

So it is like trying to tell them about the Beverly Hill Billies or some, you know, golden age television show that it needs to be refreshed.

But I think that we need the moral equivalent as far as government that can actually address problems for people so that they believe and trust in democracy and invest in it.

All right, let's go to Eric from Tulsa.

Good morning to you.

Eric, you say what?

Good morning, Earl.

Good morning, Dr. Craig.

I just want to say hi, crimes and misdemeanors, because unless denying human beings their due process rights and refusing Supreme Court orders falls under the president's job description, crimes are being committed by this administration on the daily.

And I just like to say in reference to that, a heads up that our federal elected representatives are all home for the Easter break.

And they'll be, they'll be in their home offices, home districts through April 27th.

So this is the time for Wisconsinites to call and visit their elected Republican reps at their home offices to demand that they return all the kidnapping victims being held here and abroad.

And while they're at it, they need to demand and begin impeachment proceedings.

Don't call their DC offices.

Make sure to visit them at their home offices instead.

and the websites will have office information, so please contact them there.

Thanks.

Eric, always good stuff.

Dr. Craig.

People should definitely be active in visiting congressional offices and joining organized protests and actions aimed at those members of Congress.

Now, a lot of the Republicans are in hiding, so I don't know if Derek Van Orden, for example, Pacific Media, several stations in the third congressional district is going to be in his office.

He seems to be in hiding.

So we have that, but the callers totally write that congressional recess is an opportunity to get their attention and it has to be signaled to them that their own constituents won't accept them taking health care away from kids and grandmas and disabled people and people without jobs that provide good health care in order to fund completely unnecessary new tax cuts for Elon Musk and for the richest corporations in our country.

You know Dr. Craig.

If it is It's more than frustrating and you know, I had I had Mayor Tom Barrett on yesterday and the one thing that he Said a lot of things over the two hours that he was in the studio But the one thing he kept re-enerating was dr. Craig you got to keep fighting You know that you if you give up

if we give up, we're defeated.

But you just, you have to keep fighting, right?

So there have been a lot of nonviolent, peaceful resistance movements have been successful either against entirely authoritarian regimes or against regimes that were trying to get authoritarian control.

We're kind of in that middle period.

It takes, there's big data on this.

There are researchers who study this.

about two and a half percent of the population to be very active.

That is going to protest, taking actions.

So it actually does not have to be the whole society, but the key is that democracy is a participatory sport.

It's not a spectator sport.

And social media, calling in the shows, tracking the news, it's not enough.

The next step is we need to be out on the streets and in the community in order to win, but we can win it.

People do that.

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Let's go right back to the phone lines and Mike from Kenosha.

Good morning to you, Mike.

You say what?

Good morning, guys.

Thanks for picking my calls always.

I wanted to say that in the conversation about Charlie Sikes.

Charlie Sikes is absolutely correct, but I want to add one more thing to his spot on comment.

It's been captured.

Our system has been captured.

We have our republic now is

Hanging together by threats, you know, when we saw the Supreme Court seats stolen when we see elections being manipulated by the other side outcomes when there's no fact behind it.

And finally, when we see a really a neutered court system that has now

basically allowed kings and queens to dominate the whole harmless.

If we were paying attention when we began talking about New World Order and oligarchy control in the late 90s, we wouldn't be here.

The problem is, is we've got this muddy media system that now has been captured by the big money interests.

to where it's a profit center of itself.

It's a business plan.

It has nothing to do with a republic or reporting and doing the people's work.

It has to do with influence and power.

So along with Charlie Sykes' comment, I just want to add one more thing, and that is we're already here if we fail to neglect our limited control in our limited windows.

that we have yet to pursue our democracy in a Republic Act.

If we fail to neglect that, we don't have a

chance.

Thank you very much.

Always great conversation.

Let's go to Jack from Merrimack.

Good morning to you, Jack.

You say what, sir?

Well, he definitely hit the nail on the head.

Congress and administration that basically are saying we can do anything we want and we can pull you out of the country and throw you into a foreign prison and you better be afraid.

So don't even try, don't even try to buck our system.

because we're going to take care of you if you do.

If the Republican Party had done everything that they said they were going to do back in the 80s under Reagan, people were saying that they would never get back into office again.

The same thing is true today, I think, except they are doing it.

And that leaves me to wonder, leaves me to worry, I should say.

I don't think that they intend to have another election, at least not in our lifetime.

These guys want to keep power and they'll do it by any way necessary.

They'll use the so-called SAVE Act, which stands for Stop Americans Voting.

There won't be another election.

Otherwise, they won't get back into office again.

That's my concern.

I don't know what we can do about that.

The courts won't stop them.

They've got the handles on the Justice Department.

That won't stop them.

We can demonstrate.

We can hang out in the street and take a chance on getting tear gas or worse.

But that's about all we can do at this point.

Hey, hey,

Jack,

thank you very much for the call.

Dr. Craig.

I would suggest look at South Korea, where the president tried to have a constitutional clue.

And the people didn't just take to the street.

So many took to the streets.

It was so intense that the, that the legislative branch of their government immediately.

You know, overcame him and changed the decision.

And now he's been removed from office.

So I think that historically, you need a peaceful resistance as great as you can get.

But of course, the first stage is to try to prevent them from taking the mech as a democracy.

There are a couple of things in here.

Chris Murphy has suggested they'll go after the funding mechanisms for the Democrats in the nonprofit sector, like Act Blue, where all the small contributions that Democrats go.

Trump's executive order on having to prove citizenship to voting essentially makes all of the voting machines in the country inadequate to the standard.

That has been court.

So there are real dangers to what the caller is saying, but we have to try to fight to prevent them from being able to compromise the vote.

But if they can, then the only alternative is mass peaceful resistance that is sustained.

these movements do is they make the society, the government, the economy impossible to run.

And that's how they win.

But they do win when enough people participate and they have enough stamina and commitment.

Dr. Craig, we got to leave it there.

Always good talking to you, my friend.

We'll talk soon.

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