This is a new recording man.
I can dig it.
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Good morning to you, Cardi.
How you doing, man?
Man, good morning to you, Earl, man.
Good morning to you.
I'm having a great day.
It is four one four days today in Milwaukee.
So I'm gonna be doing a lot of great things out there and I invite you to come along and tag in with us, man.
So for people who don't know, what is four one four day?
Four one four days is pretty much a huge festival in the city of Milwaukee celebrating April 14th.
The zip code.
I mean, the area code out there is four one four.
So they use that as kind of like an acronym for the term four one four days.
A lot of good people come out there, mayor.
Uh, mayor Milwaukee, um, they have parades and stuff out there.
It's kind of like a liberation day for the city of Milwaukee, just to celebrate us being, you know, Milwaukee and having that culture out there.
Well, I do know that all over the city, uh, there are different events that happen on, uh, four, one, four.
And actually you're April 14th, the fourth month, the four, uh, the 14th day.
And again, uh, zip code 414.
It basically encompasses Milwaukee and they've used that and turned that into, um, not a holiday, but certainly a day that, that offers a lot of different activities all over the city.
A big time event.
You know, I don't care where it is downtown, the domes, everywhere, somebody has something going on.
So, uh, you know, it's a, it's a festive, a festive time.
It's what it really is.
uh and so every uh april 14th uh this is a celebration that takes place in the city so anyway man i uh i want to say thank you to all of the wonderful volunteers who made the 2024 edition of the special ed prom
something very, very special.
We had over 150 special ed young people who came, dressed, just spectacular, spectacular event.
One thing, Milwaukee Journal sent a letter to James Causey who spent the entire three hours, channel four, that put together a, you know, special news.
program that's going to be airing on it.
Man, just something that's really needed and elixir to deal with all the negative things that go on in the society.
But people from all walks of life, doctors, lawyers, business leaders, all who took the time out.
to volunteer their time for this very, very special and worthy event.
I can't wait until Special Ed Prom 2025.
It took me a day to recover.
I spent at least 10 hours once I left here in helping to transform the cafeteria to a wonderful, wonderful, wicked thing.
And, wow, just...
You know, this spectacular event, always happy and proud to be a part of that great event.
I want to tell you about my very special guest tomorrow, former state representative, former state senator, former mayor for the city, excuse me, former congressman.
former mayor for the city of Milwaukee for 17 years and former ambassador of Luxembourg.
My good friend Tom Barrett is going to be joining us in studio.
And I'm going to take the entire show.
And we're going to talk about the legacy of a man who has served in almost every capacity.
He ran for governor.
a couple times in loss, but who served in every capacity in government.
And so there's a lot of different conversations that we're going to have with Tom Barrett as he is, you know, 71 years old.
He's my age.
And I've known him like we've known each other for a long time.
I supported him.
in his runs for mayor and Congress and known him for a long, long time.
You're going to talk to him about where we are today, man, you know, where our nation is from the perspective of a man who has seen it from all different angles, you know, all different aspects of government.
Tom Barrett has seen it and what he thinks about where we are right now.
And I was talking with some people, you know, over the weekend and they kept saying to me, hey, Earl, man, aren't you doing overkill, man?
Why are you talking so much about, you know, what's happening with President Trump?
And.
and can't you find something else to talk about?
My response is, are you out of your frigging mind?
For all the people who say I'm tired, talk about something else.
Man, are you not aware of the things that are going on and where we are headed?
I was watching Meet the Press yesterday as I do every Sunday morning.
And there was a gentleman on a hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio.
And he said he's worried about the current conditions.
He said, what we are facing is worse than a recession.
Well, I've lived through some recessions, man.
And I know the pain recessions bring.
And many of you who've lived some time, you know, know.
the impact of recessions on average people who don't have savings And who struggle every day just to make it and recessions Basically our death nail To people who live day by day and recessions don't end in one year
Definitely don't.
They, you know, they can drag on two, three years and that pain is felt.
But guess what?
He predicted that we're not talking about recession.
We're talking about a major collapse of our monetary system.
We're talking about times that have not been seen.
since the major depression of 1928.
And so you just, you have to try to wrap your mind around if you've read some history of that depression.
And my father, God rest his soul who was born in 1928.
And then others who I've talked to who knew a little something about that.
Soup lines.
People standing there because people weren't working.
Recessions shut it all down.
Depression shut it all down.
Soup lines.
People not being able to do anything.
Work.
Ending.
And people only in survival modes.
We had it there.
Hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio, who predicted the 2008 financial crisis, is warning that President Donald Trump's extensive tariffs combined with other factors could drive the economy to the brink of disaster.
This is not Earl Ingram talking.
This is one of the top economists in the nation.
And people say to me, Earl, you should be talking about something.
What do you want me to talk about, man?
The Brewer game?
You know what I mean?
The fact that the NFL is doing its draft in Green Bay in 10 days, and that should be the conversation that we're having.
I'm sorry, that's not who I am.
You can get that anywhere.
People who want to talk about things that really don't amount to a hill of beans.
The truth of the matter is what we are faced with.
Delio said, I think that right now we are at a decision making point and very close to a recession.
He said, I'll meet the press on Sunday and I'm worried about something.
worse than a recession.
If this isn't handled well, well, guess what?
It's not going to be handled well because we know who's handling it.
That's
right.
The guy who created it.
Took a perfectly good economy, turned it inside out and upside down.
And now people are wondering what the, what's happening next.
You can stick your head in the sand if you want to.
I choose not to.
He said the problems today are potentially much more profound than what's seen in a typical recession, which is two negative quarters of GDP growth.
We have a breaking down of the monetary order.
He said along with profound changes in both domestic and world
Order.
Now listen, I'm not Sandy Williams, so I don't have the intellectual aptitude.
I've not been trained as an economist.
But those words to me, we have a breaking down of monetary order and profound changes in both domestic and world order.
Sounds destructive.
Is is is terrifying.
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And I look across at smiling lips That warm my heart And see my morning sun And if that's not loving me Then all I gotta say
Oh, God didn't make little green apples, and it don't rain, and then an apple's in the summertime.
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And look, I'm talking about what appears to be an ensuing recession.
And even over and above that.
And so I know so many people who struggle.
Every day now And and so my I'm shedding tears for them because we have a nation now that's turned their back on them and And so and we know why Right So I can't I can't come in here and laugh and joke and kick it and talk about
you know, meaningless things.
That's never been my purpose on the air.
So this gentleman said yesterday on Meet the Press, we have a breaking down of the monetary order, he said, along with profound changes in both domestic and world order.
Such times are very much like the 1930s, he said, referring to the period that covered most of the Great Depression.
I've studied history and this repeats over and over again.
There's only been one great recession in the history of our nation.
And a man who's only been in office for three months,
has brought us back to a time that everybody feared and thought would never, ever happen again, three months.
And we're on the precipice of another great depression, actually a world depression.
This is not, you know, this is not Earl, you know, making false alarms.
These are top economists A Dalio also warned of the potential for supply demand problem for debt At the same time as tariff related economic issues and the results of that will be worse than a normal recession he said Press if that means a depression Dalio didn't use the word but did say that what happens next will be
extremely severe, something we haven't seen in our lifetimes.
Dalio, founder of the Bridgewater Associates, which is the world's largest hedge fund, said there's still a chance to avoid it all.
This could all be managed very well, especially if Congress takes action to reduce the budget deficit, he said.
Now, okay.
So so reducing the budget deficit Could have been done a lot easier if you didn't give the wealthiest people in this nation a 4.1 trillion dollar tax cut Okay, I mean come on man, so
So the only way to avoid this great depression He said is to cut You know the budget deficits So so you cut the budget deficits when you're giving tax breaks to the richest people The only way to cut the budget deficit is is to go after Medicare Social Security and Medicaid and yet the Trump
people and Donald Trump keep lying to you and saying they're not going to cut those things.
Somebody's lying.
And I don't think it's this, this billionaire Ray Dalio, I listened to him intently.
We know who's doing the lying.
So we know what's coming.
We know that safety nets are being cut and Americans are gonna be left to drift aimlessly Man I just for the life of me What kind of nation do we live in?
And then there are people who are silent They know what's coming man.
They know what this guy has done
and they still support him.
Well, Earl, you know, man, you gotta ease up off of people, man.
You know, ease up off of what, man?
It's not a time to ease up off of anything, man.
People are gonna be suffering.
If it's not you, fine, you're blessed.
Look beyond yourself and others.
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We're talking about the impending recession slash depression that is on the horizon.
Forecasters have a bleak outlook on a U.S.
economy because of President Donald Trump's escalating trade war.
Even amid his 90-day pause of the highest tariffs on more than 50 countries, and they see the eyes of a recession as a toss-up.
The experts predict the economy will nearly stall in 2025, growing at 0.8% down from the projected 1.7% just last month, according to the average estimate of 46 economists, surveyed by Walters Kluwer.
blue chip economic indicators on April 4th and April 7th.
They reckon there's a 50% chance of recession up from 25% just last month.
Let's go through the phone lines.
Hey, how was it going on,
man?
Good morning.
Good morning.
I have, uh, I don't want to mess up your show, but I want to ask a question.
Go ahead is the is civic media?
So coming to Fox news and all these other people is that why they're taking you off the air?
Only African-American broadcaster in their system and you're the only one that holds the highest ratings of all of the other people in your system and that in you off the air is that?
So
I'm
coming to the recession.
I don't, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to respond to that.
I'm
not asking you.
I'm asking civic media to let us know why they're taking you off the air.
Well, you know, I
know they can
hear
me.
Yeah, man.
Thank you very much for the call.
Let's go to Mike from Kenosha.
Good morning, Chief.
Mike, how you doing, man?
Good morning.
Thanks for taking my call at the Motown Monday.
That call kind of gave me a different perspective real quick.
But hey, the reason why I called is we're talking about the major collapse, the imminent collapse, according to not only a billionaire hedge fund investors, but we have a Wall Street Journal.
Post, we have the magazine, The Economist.
We have our national security agencies telling us the same thing.
We have our allies, our lifelong partners on the world stage.
They're all saying the same thing, Rupert Murdoch, Mark Cuban.
And it's astounding to me that something as clear as destruction of the American way in our system
is almost going down the road unabscured or, you know, no one's fighting back as much as we should.
My whole point of all this is this is an existential threat to America.
It's the biggest threat that certainly in my lifetime we have absolute unchecked power.
We have now morphed into an era where we are no longer a nation of laws.
We're a nation of men and oligarchs.
And yet we have the small silo, a minority silo of people that for whatever reason just choose not to look at this thing with both their left and their right eyes.
We're not listening to our left and our right ears.
Somehow this is all still, I don't know, not, you know, it's not important enough to many of the American people for us to make a difference.
I'll say with the pushback and the protests that we're beginning to see, it's encouraging.
It's given me some incentive and some life in mind.
work in what I do, but it's not enough.
So
unfortunately.
Hey, Mike, they're talking about depression.
You and I have been around a while.
We've been through recessions, but man, they're talking depression.
Right?
Come on, man.
You know, and yet.
People can talk about all the things they want to talk about man.
I don't think there's anything more important than than what has happened What we're realizing right now and you know if I'm on the air 24 hours a day seven days a week, I'm talking about that Because of the damage that is going to do long term might the the depression people didn't recover from
People didn't recover from the depression and the global depression overnight, man.
And
as it clearly showed, it took two years for the depression to bottom out.
Two years, I think maybe even three years.
Sorry, I don't have my history.
It didn't happen overnight.
This is a slice at a time.
A democracy in a republic dies a slice at a time.
So here, in this case, denying history and still acting as if, you know, we still live in Mayberry and we have Walter Cronkite on five o'clock.
No, the reality is that the enemy is within.
The enemy is Donald Trump and MAGA.
And if we don't deal with this enemy very, very, very quickly,
it's going to be way, way too late.
The risks are real.
This is real.
You know, until we get our thinking cap on straight and begin joining hands and realizing that, you know, in America it's better.
This, this doesn't have to be, this is a choice.
Well, so, so let me, let me, let me say this to you, Mike.
I don't know if America is better than this because, because what we see
You know is there's a segment of America that agrees with this Hurting people like this Children the elderly Who who's gonna be hurt the most man?
You know Just so a bunch of greedy rich people Can get that grubby hands on more money?
Yeah, I Just meant for the life of me.
I you know, I'm not a person
who ever lived my life in that manner.
I've always been the kind of person who is concerned about my fellow man.
But if you're silent on this man, if you're silent on this, it means you kind of agree with it.
And Mike, if you're in a position that you can withstand a depression,
Then, you know, God bless you, man.
The majority of the people aren't in a position, Mike, where they can stand a depression, let alone a recession, let alone a depression.
Hey, Mike, I'm not the guy using depression.
You follow me?
They're economists using the verbiage depression.
Well, and again, it's something that all of us, if we choose to, if we want to, girl, we can find the truth very quickly.
But, you know, until we get a big boy pants on and big lady dresses on, we're in big trouble.
Hey, man, thank you very much for the call.
Let's go to Ollie.
Good morning to you, Ollie.
You say what?
I'm going to go a little bit backwards in time.
and then bring my thoughts forward.
I lived in Germany when we were younger and we lived among the Germans and we went to the concentration camps that was still around and we learned lessons in school and we saw the everyday German people, our friends, our neighbors who lived through that time.
And why that happened to them was because people didn't pay attention.
People didn't speak out.
It was allowed to happen because people were quiet.
And now we can't allow that to happen.
We can't be quiet.
America is used to having everything so good.
We don't understand what's happening.
how bad it actually was during the depression.
And those are the ones who choose to put their head in the sands and not realize that unless we speak out, unless we keep talking about it, it will happen before we know it.
And we need to speak out, speak up.
do whatever we can.
If we can't take care of our elderly and we can't and he won't feed the children, how can you make sense out of anything he does?
And I challenge anyone to go on Google and Google how much
the Trump administration has already spent this year.
It's horrendous.
And the fact that they're cutting all the budgets and cutting workers just to say that they're saving money for the people is ridiculous when their spending is out of control.
Hey Ali, thank you very much for the call.
I just want to...
to say that these are not my words for those who open up any newspaper.
New York Times, Washington Post, The Heavens Sakes, Wall Street Journal.
If you're a Republican national review, you know, the information is there, how harrowing a time this is.
And because you may not wanna hear it, you may not wanna believe it.
That's on you but clearly the passing this 4.1 trillion dollar tax break for the wealthiest people and it has to be balanced somewhere And we already know where they're going meta Medicaid That's where they're going and so for people like Steven who you know say that I'm a fear monger
You know Stating that a depression is imminent is fair mongering and irresponsible to say the least you are an awful evil man It's what Steven has to say about me, but I would say to Steven open your eyes man do your research and and read like I have You know these this this is this is real
I've never in all the years I've been on the air ever talked like this Okay, never But this appears to almost be imminent because we've got a man who refuses to change course If there was a person who was willing to change course, maybe we could avert it and that's what these economists are saying not Earl the economists
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Commerce Secretary Howard Ludnick told ABC News on April 13th, the carve-outs for the electronics products is temporary and terrorists for the items would be included in a duty on computer chips that Trump plans to impose in a month or two.
That would further mitigate any economic benefits from the exemptions.
Let's go right back to the phone lines.
Wayne from Racine, good morning to you, Wayne.
You say what?
First off, I want to say it's the first I've heard that you're not going to be on the air.
I don't listen as often as I should.
I'm sorry to hear that.
And it's been great listening to your show.
So I don't know when you're finding the laser or whatever, but sorry to hear that.
And listen, that's in spite of the fact that you're an awful and evil
man.
I mean, honestly, people that work all their lives and taking people with disabilities and host proms for young people that are amazing.
That story that you, I'm looking forward to seeing that on the news, by the way, it's amazing.
And I think something like that or that could catch fire, man.
That's something.
Oh, you mean, you mean, you mean the special air prom?
That's exactly what I'm talking
about.
22 years, man.
It's been 22 years.
You've been
instrumental in from the get-go practice.
You made a lot of this happen, and I'm just, you're not going to take credit for it.
I'll give you credit for it.
How about that, you awful, evil man?
Honestly, these people, the projection.
Oh my God, Siermangren.
Siermangren,
really, you're Siermangren.
Okay.
We got a presidential candidate.
If you want to call him that, I call him a Russian asset or whatever.
But he said, if you don't elect me, it'll be World War three.
If you don't elect me, the entire economic, oh, look out for everything.
If you don't hear my angry, really.
Oh, okay.
Just checking on that, you know.
Listen, it's
very sad, but due to a lot of propaganda, over a lot of years, America voted for hate.
And that's exactly what we're going to get.
So I'm sorry, but fascism has taken hold in the last election when they said democracy was on the line.
You think they were kidding about that?
Hey, it was a joke.
Hey, wait, are we
really surprised?
Sorry, but go ahead.
Hey, wait, man.
Hey, look, man, I wish I had more time, but thank you very much for those encouraging words.
And, you know, we got to speak the truth, man.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Susan from Kenosha, you're up next.
You say what?
Do I say, yeah.
What do I say if I'm going to be sorry to see you go?
Well,
you know, Susan, I don't even, you know, just that's not something I want to focus on.
I know you don't, but we who have listened to you for a long, long time appreciate everything that you do.
You have woken up.
The people of Wisconsin, if it wasn't for you, we'd have similar as our judge.
We have to stick together.
We have to fight for our Constitution.
That is the ultimate weapon that we have.
If we let them separate us and if we.
turn a blind's eye to the people suffering of not only this country of the world, then we know better than Nazi Germany was in the 30s.
So we have to, we have to get a stick together.
We have to continue the fight, the long, the long fight, whatever, whatever it takes, we have to do.
Hey, Susan, you're 100% correct.
Thank you.
Really appreciate it.
John from West Dallas.
Good morning to you, John.
You say what?
Hey, I'm just really bummed out that you're not going to be on the air anymore.
That's mind-blowing to me.
I just found out five minutes ago.
I wanted to say that if you took 60% of the wealth from the top 5%, if you took that away, they would still be the top 5%.
The amount of wealth that they have accumulated is insurmountable.
It's unbelievable.
And I was listening to a guy from China
talk about his country with pride about how they eradicated and this could be propaganda to some extent.
And I don't want to evilize America and make them the heroes, but their cities are beautiful.
They're buildings, you know, around other countries around the world.
There's less poverty.
We've just neglected us.
I think I have very little respect for the Democrats also because
I think they're on the take it's all it's all like corruption nobody gets anything done and it's almost like it's laughable what they've done to our our healthcare finding reasons to say no to everything they've divided us on on social issues and people don't vote their interests I'm just uh I'm just disappointed we're past
a democracy, and I'm not even that sure that it's that good.
I mean, the way this is falling.
Hey, John, Matt, I wish you had more time.
Thank you very much for the call.
Up next, Reggie Jackson on a Motown Monday on the Earl Ingram Show.
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Reggie Jackson is a US Navy veteran and internationally renowned expert on race relations.
The 2021 winner of the Carter G. Whitson Memorial Award from the National Education Association and the Association for the Study of African American Life and History has conducted seminars at over a dozen college campuses around the state of Wisconsin while traveling to over 50 communities conducting lectures, workshops and facilitating dialogue sessions on American history.
He is the winner of over 20 awards for his work as a journalist and activist supporting closer
race relations within multiple communities throughout the state and has served as head grill oral historian at America's Black Holocaust Museum for two decades.
Reggie is the protege of the museum's founder, Dr. James Cameron, and the author of the forthcoming book, Midwest Nice Apartheid.
The history and the harms of segregation in Milwaukee.
Reggie's approach to US history is what he calls
parallel journeys in history and on and on and on.
So welcome back to my good friend, Mr. Reggie Jackson.
Hey, Reggie, how you doing, man?
I'm good, Earl.
Thanks.
Good to be back.
You know, man, I was, you know, as I was preparing for the show this morning, I couldn't help but see a speaker.
of the house for the Democrats.
Why am I forgetting his name?
It'll come to me.
But anyway, check that out for me, Crotty, because I'm... We'll do it, do it right now.
Yeah.
And so he was talking about the fact that...
the Republicans and was there Mike Johnson?
No, for the Democrats.
Sorry about that.
And so he was Hawking Jeffries.
Thank you very much, Hawking Jeffries.
And he was talking about the fact that they've eliminated those books, you know, that had to do with Harriet Tubman and
and others in the military library.
And he also stated that they didn't do away with the Hitler books.
And so you just wonder, how is it possible that in broad daylight, these things that just keep happening
that take away the history of our sojourn, people of color in this country, affirmative action.
All of these other things that people fought for and we act like what happened in this country didn't happen.
You can't take it away man.
You can you can take away the books, but you can't take away the truth of the facts man And so all these people who jumped on board were Donald Trump and Republicans and DEI and and and all of this foolishness What's happening with race relations in this country right now man from a man who is Without question qualified to have the discussion
For Earl, from my perspective, this is just simply business as usual.
There's nothing unusual about what's going on.
It's just we've turned a blind eye to it for most American history.
And we're in a space now where people are having these conversations because different voices are part of the conversation than it had been for a long period of time.
And that's the big difference is that.
For years, nobody wanted to listen to the voices of people of color.
We weren't invited to the table to have these conversations, but now we're at the table and people don't want to listen.
They've never wanted to listen, but now that we're at the table and we speak, well, they have to hear what we have to say.
They're not listening, but they're hearing what we were saying, but they're not listening.
And that to me is the essence of how racism works in this country is that it's been a part of the fabric of the nation since day one.
a group of people came to the shores of this continent intent on taking whatever it is they wanted and then utilizing the labor of first Native Americans, free labor of Native Americans forcing them to be enslaved people.
And then when that didn't work out so well, they decided to go to Africa and bring black people over here to replace the Native Americans that they had enslaved for a very long period of time.
And once you do that to people, once you enslave people, or you dehumanize them, you can never treat them like humans again.
It's just not possible to ever treat those people like humans again.
And so we've seen this constant stream of being dehumanized as black people in this country.
And people wonder why it's still the same way today.
Because you treated us like we weren't humans from Jump Street.
How can you then turn around and say, oh yeah, we're going to treat you like humans now?
They've never done it.
Because they can't or it's not possible to treat people inhumanely and then to turn around and treat them like humans all of a
sudden.
It just doesn't work.
So what do you say to people who say?
That happened a long time ago.
We didn't do it.
Oh, well, OK, so
we
don't care if you
didn't do
it.
Yeah,
listen, this is this my answer all the time.
You know, every time we bring up.
some of the other stuff in the past.
And we talk about it.
You want to tell me that was a long time ago.
Well, the founding fathers were a long time ago, but white people never get tired of talking about them or the Constitution Declaration of Independence was a long time ago.
White people never get tired of talking about that.
So why can't we talk about stuff that happened a long time ago?
And why can't we talk about the legacy of those things still impacting our lives today?
That's because people want to act like, oh, you know, I didn't I didn't enslave anybody.
But you know what?
It doesn't matter if you did or not.
We know you didn't.
Slavery ended in 1865.
I know nobody on this planet is old enough to have lived in 1865.
We're not blaming today's people for what happened a long time ago.
We're blaming people of today and what you continue to do today.
We don't care what your ancestors did.
We're talking about what people are still doing today, Earl.
That's the essence of the conversation.
You know, Reggie, and the reason why you're the right guy to have the conversation, not only because your credentials is because
You've had this conversation in communities that don't have black people in them.
And and so, you know, that's just factual when we're talking about the state of Wisconsin, you know, one of the most segregated states in the United States.
That's not fabricated.
That's just factual.
And so and so if people don't want to hear from our perspective.
the how these these Ways of mistreatment have impacted and affected our communities and continue to do that You know if they don't hear it From from you and I right now, they're not going to hear it.
There is there is no other vehicle that is willing to have the discussion in the public from
two guys of color who whose families and whose communities are impacted by this.
And it continues even to this day.
Yeah.
Well, as I travel around the state of Wisconsin as an adult, I never traveled around the state as a child.
We never went anywhere other than, you know,
Milwaukee to Chicago and back.
We never, I never even went to Madison as a kid.
You know how everybody went to Madison
to
see the Capitol.
And third or fourth grade, I never made that trip.
My school never went to Madison.
So I
never saw any other part of the state other than Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
And it wasn't until I was an adult that I started to travel a little bit.
And doing the work that I do, you know, it's allowed me to travel to, to over 50, close to 60 communities around the state of Wisconsin.
I've been up to Warsaw multiple times.
I've been to Rhinelander.
I've been to Appleton.
I've been to Malloy, I've been to Janefield, Platteville, you know, Whitewater, all these places around the state of Wisconsin that I've never even thought about before.
And there are very few people of color, very few black people when I go to those places, Earl.
And the people that invite me there are white people because those are the people that live there.
And you know why they invite me?
Because they're interested in our voices, Earl.
They're interested in our version of events.
They want to know from the perspective of African Americans, you know, how we see the world.
They know how they see the world.
They want to hear it from a different perspective.
And so they invite me time and time again to come to these places and talk to them about the history and my perspective on history and kind of the current state of affairs that that's what I do because there's a need.
There's a great deal of need among white people to hear a different version of events than they've heard their entire lives.
So so the operative word you said is history.
And and yet that they're they're working hard to wipe the history out.
And they're attempting, especially with Donald Trump and these groups of Republicans who who feel like by wiping out that history.
They can somehow do away with the past, but you can never do away with that man.
Right.
They're trying to wipe
it out, Earl.
All they're doing is covering it up.
You can't hide this.
There are too many people that know this
history.
Well, the world knows.
There are far too many people that know this history.
You can't erase it.
You can't erase it.
It's not possible.
All they're doing is trying to cover it up from certain people.
They don't want white people to know this stuff, Earl.
This is what my view is, is that after George Floyd was murdered, there was a whole bunch of white people around the United States of America that all of a sudden wanted to learn the stories of black people, wanted to learn the history from our perspective.
And they had conversations with their family members.
your friends and neighbors, coworkers, and it really ticked off those other white people who didn't want to hear those things.
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My guess is Mr. Reggie Jackson.
You're tuned in to a Motown Monday on the Earl Ingram Show.
Yeah.
You can join us at 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.
You can text us at that same number, my guess is none other than Mr. Reggie Jackson.
And before we go to the phone lines, Reggie, I just want to say, we're talking about race relations in this country.
And I think what people really need to understand, man, is one of the reasons why
you know, they wanted to do away with DEI and bury the history and books and all of those different things is because you heard the people who were behind it say it was making white children feel bad.
And I will say, as a black man in America for 70 years, who looks at the black children of this nation,
American citizens Supposedly based on the Constitution equal So I see when we talk about the bill of rights in the Constitution and all of those things Reggie Somehow they they never measured up To be equal with people of color never did and Even to this day they don't so in our community
You watch children born into the wealthiest nation on earth who read you don't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Right.
Well, I have taken an education.
Listen, you can have an education and still not get equal opportunity on jobs and and and loans.
All that stuff still exists.
in 2025, Reggie, and the reason that I think it's important that we have the conversation as it's getting worse.
Because of the people who are in office now, your thoughts.
Yeah, I completely agree, Earl, you know, but people when they say, you know, this this stuff is making white children feel uncomfortable or guilty or whatever.
Like, listen, don't blame us for what their ancestors did.
Their ancestors did this, which is.
acknowledging what your ancestors did.
And we're not allowing you to continue to cover up what your ancestors did.
If you feel bad about it, you feel guilty about it, well, you know, so be it.
How do you think our children feel sitting in classrooms every day and never learning anything about their own history?
How do you think that impacts our students, Earl?
Oh, man.
Children in our community.
Let's do this.
Let's go to Stephen from the cross.
Good morning to you.
Thank you very much for the call.
You say what?
Stefan.
Stefan, you're on air.
Okay, let's go to JoJo.
Good morning to you, JoJo.
You say what?
Oh my, so much.
Shift happens, you know, and I'm happy to hear of your...
a little demise here.
So let me say this.
I'm going to make an announcement.
I'm going to make an announcement.
Your voice is too
critical, too essential to now.
So take a allow or break, go see some sunset, come see these small towns in Wisconsin.
But you are just too vital to the airways.
And, you know, and I had a great tribute for you last Friday and I didn't get on now by notes, well, it's a long story.
Anyway, you are a treasure.
And so, and people with permanent suntan have a struggle.
But, you know, through it all, most of you excel.
You know, so
just just just keep Listen, I am You know as I stated I'll make it I'll make an announcement soon, but thank you very much for the call Let's go to Cindy from Appleton.
Good morning to you Cindy.
You say what?
Well, I say that if it's offending our yellow what little white children boohoo I mean look at the trauma.
We've caused the Native Americans for centuries Look at the trauma.
We've created for the people of color not only just the black people but the Chinese people I mean we've done this for decades and decades and decades and I say boohoo It's time.
We start learning the history and start dealing with what we've left behind You
know, you know Cindy
It's American history is not black history.
It's American history Native American history is is American history all of these different aspects of his history is Not is not just you know European history There's a whole world of people Other than other than European people Reggie and my
Yeah, the historian.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, unfortunately, in this country, we have, you know, displaced the stories of people of color in our history classes.
We don't learn about anybody other than white people, for the most part, in our history classes.
And, you know, now that we're in a space where people are beginning to hear those stories for the first time in their lives, it's messing their heads up a little because
It's this place in the myth of America that has existed in her hits.
You know, this land, the freedom and justice and liberty for all is being blown up because it doesn't look like freedom, justice and liberty for all.
When you when you study America, it's from a perspective of people of color.
It doesn't look the same.
And so that's part of the reason that they're pushing back against it.
Part of the reason they're trying to kill it is because they want the myth to continue.
And people of color like, no, no, no, that's that's not how it happened.
You know.
Native Americans have pushed back against it.
African Americans pushed back against it.
Asians from Korea, from China, from Japan, from the Philippines have all pushed back against this typical white version of history.
White-washed version of history is literally what it's been.
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Let me go through the phone lines quickly.
Whizzler from Richland Center.
Good morning to you, sir.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl.
I'm a 73-year-old man, grew up in a small town called Spring Green.
I was in the service in the early 70s.
And that was my first real experience with people of
color races.
Right.
Of color.
Yes.
And I'll tell you what, I've never met more nicer people than when I was in the service.
And I'll tell you what, you know, God, God loves all of us.
And, you know, I, I don't have a bad bone in my body against anyone.
And people are people.
We all bleed the same color.
And, you know, I listened to your show.
I really enjoy it.
I really enjoy it.
And, you know, all that could do is offer you kudos, man.
You're the
best.
Thank you very much.
Because in the end, you said it was the military that opened your eyes.
And so, you know, people don't know if you if you don't know and you haven't been around people other than then than the people in your community and your community is all of, you know, one hue, then you can never know, you know, that that as you stated, people are people, man.
And and everybody's just trying to get along in this society and in this and actually.
in this life, man, the life is so short.
I don't, I just have never been able to understand why when life is as short as it is, we allow these barriers that we create to keep us from, you
know,
it wasn't, thank you very much, man.
I really appreciate those kind words.
Cassandra, you're up next.
You say
what?
I just wanted to jump on really quick.
As you know, I am an educator, so this is a really busy time of the year for me.
And I am just, I know you didn't wish to speak about this particular topic, but I just want to say how much I have enjoyed your show over the years.
I think I have been listening to your show.
well over 10 years, and although I may not agree with you on everything, you really have provided a service to the community.
And you've also made me aware of areas and problems that were going on, and especially Milwaukee, because I've never lived in Milwaukee.
I'm actually...
not a, not a native born resident of Wisconsin.
So you have with your show introduced me to some of the issues of concern to the black community in Milwaukee and wherever you land, I'm sure you're going to be successful.
And I just wanted to thank you for your service that you have provided over all of these years.
Well, so, you know, Cassandra, I just didn't know, you know,
I don't want to get into this and now is not a good time because there's another side to this and it's it's bigger than than you know, meaning that being on the air.
So I don't you know, I don't want people to jump the gun.
There's some there's some other sides to this and we'll be I'll be talking about it in the coming days.
And so that's right.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Cassandra.
Go ahead.
No, I just wanted to extend my thoughts to you personally.
That's all I wanted to say.
I know that you don't wish to talk about it, but it was just a personal message.
Cassandra, I really truly appreciate it.
And so again, you know, in the coming days, I'll be having some statements to make about some things.
But thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Tom, you're up next, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good morning, Earl.
First off, we the people ultimately are the government.
We must never forget that.
We come together.
There's nothing we can't do.
Second, I wish that everyone would also go on YouTube.
and look up Jane Elliott.
Jane Elliott, a white school teacher that you did a brown-eyed blue-eyed study but has done so much.
And she shows why it matters today if people have a hard time taking things from a person that has a little bit more melanin in their skin and they want to hear it directly from a white woman.
I really recommend that they go check out Jane Elliott, because she's a badass.
Also, I went to the Bernie rally this weekend.
There were 36,000 people there.
And then he had a 20,000 people rally in Red Salt Lake City, Utah yesterday.
And today, he's going to have one in Red Utah.
I'm sorry, Red Idaho.
So I hope everybody's following either the Midas Touch, so they can actually see all these different rallies, since our corporate media will never show these types of rallies, so they'll show a minute of it.
But everyone should do it and also laugh or else, because we the people are the government.
I'm L.A.
Tom, but my name is Tom Adler, A-B-L-E-R.
And I would recommend if anybody can, please, let's form a group on Facebook of civic media listeners so we can all even fight the corporate power that may be coming down from the media stations like civic media.
We all need to stick together and we all need to fight anything that comes up because together in solidarity, we are much stronger than we are alone.
and we must get all money out of politics.
Hey, Tom, thank you very much for the call.
Lori, you're up next.
Hi.
Well, I didn't realize that things are going to be happening with you and we need more voices from people of color on the radio.
So I hope you're not going away at all together.
And I know you don't want to talk about it, so I
won't.
Okay, go ahead.
ago, several years ago, I read the book, Warriors Don't Cry by Melba.
I can't remember what her last name is.
I have her book around here somewhere, but I can't find it.
And it's about the integration the kids down in Arkansas, I believe, the stuff that they had to put up with.
I mean, just not only being bullied by classmates, but by adults, which had to be just frightening.
And they were only 15 years old.
And by the time I got done reading that book, I thought,
you know how many of these white people who were bullying them would have been able to put up with what they did and they couldn't say it these kids couldn't say anything because then they'd be the ones that would be kicked out of school because well see now they're causing a problem they're fighting even though they were defending themselves and that's what that's what these white people who are density EI and CRT they don't understand that they've always been heard and if they had to
walk in the shoes of people of color, they couldn't take it.
So they're worried about their kids' feelings that they might feel compassion.
Well, they should have had compassion.
They should have taught these kids compassion prior to these issues coming out.
Well, they've always been out, but that they're worried about feelings when black people, slaves, the Native Americans, I mean, they were being hung for just looking at somebody the wrong way.
They were being whipped.
And I mean, James Byrd, back in the nineties in Jasper, Texas, dragged behind a church and people think that this, this still doesn't happen and that they're worried about these kids feelings.
Well, those kids should be feeling a lot and they should be.
I mean, if we're going to feel sorry for the Jews because of Hitler, then why shouldn't we feel sorry for black people and native people too, for what they had to go through?
You know, you know, Laurie, if we had more lorries in the world, you know, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Thank you very much for those very important words.
Reggie, you want to respond, man?
Yeah, you know, thank you, Laurie.
I appreciate those kind words as well.
And, you know, my thoughts are that, listen, when we hear people say to, you know,
White people are complaining at these things and making their kids uncomfortable.
They're not saying it, Earl.
These are talking points created by right-wingers at a place like the Heritage Foundation to put talking points in the mouths of people that come to spaces to talk.
People are saying, Earl, is that the travel around the state of Wisconsin?
I have not heard a single white person tell me that their white children feel uncomfortable hearing this history.
I haven't heard it one time in over 20 years of travel around the state.
And I doubt that I ever will or because to me, it's just talking points that the right created to put in the mouths of people to pretend like this is how people feel.
No, the average white American doesn't feel this way.
There are right wingers at the Heritage Foundation, other, you know, racist foundations like that, that are putting these words in the people's mouths and saying these things.
People are not saying these things, Earl.
These are things that they're being taught to say.
I'm not hearing these things in my travels around the state of Wisconsin at all.
You know, Reggie, when we realize we're a quarter of into the 22nd century and still having these conversations about race, man.
I mean, that's mind boggling to me, Reggie.
And the fact that it's.
at the highest level of government.
The president of the United States.
Is the guy.
You know, who's the face of it and who's pushing it.
Right.
I mean, what does that say, man?
If it would be different if it wasn't the president of the United States, who's striking the match.
Yeah, well, you know where I look at it early There's a you know, I remember when I was a little boy living in Mississippi We had fruit trees in our backyard.
You know, we had peach trees.
We had apple trees And if we wanted some fruit, we wouldn't get it off the tree We didn't go to the grocery store, right?
And so if I wanted a peach I didn't go to the apple tree to get a peach earl I went to the peach tree And you know why because that's the fruit that that particular tree bears And so it's in the roots of America to be racist and to be sexist
And so we act like we're surprised that it's that way.
It's in the roots.
It was there at the beginning.
It doesn't go away.
It's in the roots of America to be that way, Earl.
And so here we are almost 250 years into this country being created with the Declaration of Independence.
And we're still having the same conversations.
W.E.B.
Du Bois wrote a book about this, where he talked about the problem of the 20th century is the problem of color lines.
I mean, that was two centuries ago, Earl.
We're in the 22nd century, literally, one fourth of the way through the 22nd century.
And we're still having these conversations because it's in the roots of the tree, Earl.
This is the fruit that we will continue to bear as a nation.
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Eric, from Tulsa, good morning to you.
Eric, you say what?
Happy Motown Month to Erlen Reggie.
All
right.
Just like your veteran caller that called earlier, my time in the Navy was definitely a great opportunity for me to overcome some of my racist conditioning
that had
been taught as a child.
It's what happened when people spend time together.
It's humanizing.
The permanent suntan comments the other earlier, that was crazy, whatever.
But Reggie's spot on talking about the white lash that rose up following the summer of 2020, we forget that racism evolves to keep the rest of us from evolving beyond our own conditioning.
Using race, Earl's favorite term, even the Democratic politicians jumped in to preserve our own status quo.
in 2020, late in that year, it put pressure on folks like me to fall back and rejoin the complicit silence that we've lived with really since 1619.
And as for Steve calling you a dangerous man, you know, speaking out about the pending crash, Goldman Sachs is talking about it, you know, and if you follow the bond market and see what's going on with the bond market, you can really see how dangerous
these
times are.
But I'm here to say that you're not, you're only the messenger, you know, the proverbial canary in the coal mine here.
And you know that folks like Steve never call because like most enablers of fascism, racism, sexism, et cetera, they're really, truly cowardly human beings.
And lastly, you know, I feel that people are kind of maybe upset about civic media's handling of this.
It seems a little clunky what's going on.
But I'll just say that your voice will be missed on the radio.
I know that you'll be continuing to be a positive presence in Milwaukee.
And I look forward to hearing what you're doing next.
And I also look forward for your sake to you enjoying your morning coffee with your wife, Moroff.
Hey, thank you very much for those words.
As I stated, man, I'll have something to say a little bit later on.
Hey, Bill, you're up.
Morning, Earl.
Can you hear me?
Yes,
sir.
I got the answer to neutralize racism.
And it's real simple.
It doesn't take a lot of thought.
It's called humanitarianism.
And we as a nation, at one time, was known as being the most humanitarian country in the world.
We have to get back to that.
If we get back to humanitarianism, we will neutralize this weight racism.
It's a fact.
when you neutralize racism and you have humanitarianism, you have one word that we lack so much now, integrity.
So, Earl, wherever you go, if there's anything I can do to help your cause, you have my number.
Hey Bill, thank you very
much.
Go ahead Bill, go ahead.
No, that's all
I wanted to say.
Well, thank you man, thank you.
Reggie, you want to respond to Bill?
Yeah, thanks for the comments bill I would really love to know when America was humanitarian towards black people What year was that because I don't remember reading about that in history bill when America was humanitarian towards black people or Hispanic people Asian American people Native American people what what year are you talking about specifically?
I don't remember that time,
you know Reggie Right now Now at least 35 40,000
students in Milwaukee public schools.
Majority of them people of color.
I'm being exposed to lead every day.
Every day and we know it.
Right?
Every day.
Every day we know it, man.
And the people of
color,
people of color, man.
How come they
don't fix that?
That girl.
The CDC has refused to help MPS lead issue.
They literally said we don't have the manpower to do it because of massive cuts to the CDC
so so when we talk about these issues That would not be happening Reggie if it was an all-white school district I guarantee you
What happened you know listen
You don't have to say it wouldn't happen.
All you have to do is look at all of the suburban school districts around Milwaukee.
Do any of them have issues with lead?
No.
Tell me one that does.
None do.
And not that knowingly children are in those schools every day.
Every day and they know the impact of lead.
And yet it's not prioritized Reggie as the most important issue.
I don't want to hear about all the rest of it, Reggie.
You don't give kids a fair chance, man.
It's not their fault.
Yeah, I agree, Earl.
And, you know, being a person who worked in these schools as a special ed teacher for eight years, I know that there were students I worked with that were labeled special ed that I know.
the classic symptoms of exposure to lead early in life.
I saw it in my students all the time, Earl.
There's nothing I can do about it.
I couldn't say anything about it.
We couldn't go and have these kids tested.
So I know I saw it.
I saw what it did to children.
I saw how it put them so far behind that there's no way they're going to ever catch up, Earl.
Hey, Reggie.
And in this, and these issues were laid aren't new.
Hey Reggie,
I will see you on next Monday.
We'll talk again.
Really appreciate it.
Thank everybody who made the show go.
Yes sir.
Thank everybody who made the show go.
I'll be back on tomorrow with former mayor of the city of Milwaukee Tom Barrett in the studio on the Earl Ingram show.
