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Ballots, Affordability, And… Dolphins? (Hour 3)
Daybreak w/ Brian and Jamie · Thu May 7, 2026
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Everybody's here.
Frank has ducked out.
I think he's still, he's on the men.
He is.
He sounds better.
I think
he's on, he's on the way, but Parker's here, Jamie's here, I'm here.
We were talking a little before the show.
Our senior producer, Frank, looks better, sounds a little bit better.
He's been dealing with a
Not great sign is cold all week.
So he's been a trooper though.
He's still been here, still been doing his thing.
So we're glad that he's on the mend.
It's miserable to feel like that.
Have
you noticed that you get to a certain age and I think while you guys aren't there yet, it does seem to circulate around this show a lot of medical conversations.
Yes.
And you get to a certain age
and then you're
like, I'll get together with my friends in the first.
40 minutes is basically all our ailments.
That's right.
And I'm like, for guys, we do we really need to talk about all our ailments all the time?
Because it and that's just it just
it happens.
Yes, you're just like, Oh, what's new?
Well,
if you really want to know, let me tell you about my gouts,
my gouts with flaring up my allergies are killing me.
I've got my back is always her blah, blah, blah.
And that's all the conversation.
Parker, this is...
This is what you have to look forward to.
This is the
joys of
life.
I
hope you're taking notes because this is truly a multi-generational show.
It is.
Poor Parker is looking ahead going, this is really what I have to look
for.
This is what I have to look for.
Right.
Yeah.
Because Parker, when I was your age, I thought the same thing.
Oh, why are they always talking
about
what's wrong with them?
Or who... Like, I'm not to the
age yet where it's... They hit like 40!
You literally hit like 40, 45 years old and everything changes.
It all changes.
So love your 20s and
30s.
I
was watching a YouTube video the other day and a guy and he's like, I just turned 30 couple months ago and he goes, I kid you not, every week has been something new.
And the one week that there wasn't something new, I was on a hike and I almost got struck by lightning.
I'm like, oh.
See, and then when there's not something new, then you worry that you're missing something or not paying close enough attention because you're like, wait, I've had something for like, for the last three weeks and now why, why do I feel,
Okay, why am I not complaining about so yeah, it's it's the
morning you wake up and you're suddenly not in pain
Yeah, or you don't pop when you get out of bed.
You're like
Oh Everything shutting down.
I
don't all my I must have neuropathy all over my whole
body.
I
have no more feelings
Yes,
and then you get to an even older age and it's only about who died
right
Yeah
having to go to a million wakes and descending flowers.
Yes, my mom will call me and because obviously she's originally from South Dakota and in the town and grew up in the town that we always lived in and Primarily anyway, and she'll call me and she'll be I was reading the obituaries.
Did you know this person this person this person?
I don't even know who that person is mom.
I'm sorry I I don't remember this person.
I don't know who they were.
I am sorry.
I just thought it was a shame
but I guess they were 87.
I thought it was a shave.
I thought it was a shave.
Do
you remember your kindergarten teacher?
Is it the conversations we have now?
I do, Mrs.
Barron.
Wow, okay.
I had Mrs. Marchand.
That was my kindergarten teacher.
Okay, I think I had one.
Yes, Parker, we all remember our kindergarten teacher.
We're not that old, Parker.
We might talk about our ailments, but...
It's usually people who...
Like we're on the women's club with your mom or something because you're my mom would do the same thing Oh, and she'd start telling me like the whole life story go I have no idea who you're talking
about.
Yeah.
No,
they go.
Well, you remember they went to church Do you
ever
find
yourself just agreeing?
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I remember that person.
Yeah.
No, I can't do it.
I wish I could just acquiesce.
I've always been a kind of fight question authority guy.
Sometimes I just don't want to talk about dead people.
I just don't want to talk about dead people and I want to move
on.
True.
I will, instead of just going, yeah, I'll go.
I don't know that person.
I've got a lot of other things that we can talk about.
That feels oddly dismissive though, Brian.
I'm not sure if that's quite the right move.
Well, it's not oddly dismissive at all, Parker.
It's 100% dismissive.
OK.
You should get out of the topic and you get to move on.
Yeah.
I mean, if it's somebody I kind of remember or like their kid was in the same school and I recognized the family name, then I'll give it a cursory thing.
Sure.
But I don't like...
She'll be telling me about distant relatives medical histories,
and I'm like
I don't
know
these people I mean I'm
I'm
sorry for their troubles.
Yes.
Yes, and I hope they'd be sorry for my troubles as well But I don't I don't have any idea
who these people are.
Yeah, I can't
Listen, have I told you about my knee?
Have I told you?
Let me tell you about Troubles.
I can go through all of it.
Speaking of Troubles, yesterday, if you listened to the show, there was a part of it.
And if you didn't remember, civicmedia.us, you can always go back and listen to past episodes.
Spotify.
Spotify.
Well, that's where the
big kids go.
That's right.
That's right.
All the cool kids are at Spotify.
But I was talking about the fact that we have a work trip and we have to book plane tickets, which is impossible.
possibly hard right now.
So did you sell one of your sons
to pay
for this ticket?
Let me tell you.
So last night, my husband, I was working at my desk and he was in his office and he comes running in and he goes, I think I've got it figured out and I can do this relatively cheaply.
And I said, what are we talking
about?
And he goes, wow,
we're going to drive
halfway there because we're flying to Boston.
Then he was annoyed because I wasn't, you know, up on the conversation.
And I said, OK, because you
were being oddly dismissive.
Right, and he goes, I go, okay, so tell me what's happening.
He goes, well, he goes, if we fly out of Rochester, and he goes, that's a half
hour flight to
Minneapolis, and then from Minneapolis, we go to Boston, we save like $350 a ticket.
And I said, okay, but I said, we have to be in Minneapolis.
I said, we fly back to Rochester on Tuesday and we have to be in Minneapolis by like 8 a.m.
on Wednesday.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We're not going to do that leg of the trip.
We're just gonna buy these tickets because they're so much cheaper and just pick up the trip in the Minneapolis leg of the trip.
And I said, are you kidding
me right
now?
So we're not gonna, he bought the tickets that literally fly
from
Rochester to Minneapolis, Minneapolis to Boston, but we're not doing the Rochester leg of the trip because that would be.
stupid, we're just gonna, you know, use our boarding passes when we get to Minneapolis, because you don't have to technically use that part of your boarding pass.
You have your boarding pass.
Oh,
there's a name for that.
What is the name for
that?
That is literally in order to save ourselves almost $600, $650 on these plane tickets.
That's what we literally are doing.
We are flying on Delta, though.
So sorry.
I thought you were going to
New York.
Oh, no, you're going to Boston.
You are going to Boston.
Okay, I was like,
we're going to Boston.
No, no, no,
no.
to take the train,
then we get in a channel and we take a
car.
We're going to say
Joe Biden on the train on
the way there.
That's right.
We're going to Boston.
That is our final destination.
We will
walk our
path.
And I looked at him and I said, you realize that you just turned into Tim Smith.
And he looked at me and he goes, that was rude.
Let me tell you, he was our GM in South Dakota way back in the day.
And we, I was promotions director and it was when Paul McCartney decided that he was
going to go back out on the road for his very first tour.
He hadn't been on tour for a year.
So this is
a
long time ago, right?
Yeah.
And we did this promotion.
I set it all up called Mile High McCartney because we got tickets for Paul McCartney and Denver.
I was able to get free meals at the Hard Rock and all of this cool stuff.
A private tour of the Mile High Stadium.
Like I worked my promotions director stuff, right?
And
got this really great tour.
Our GM was a little cheap.
He'd owned the place before the corporation came in.
He was really, really cheap.
And so we get our winners.
I'm booking our plane tickets that day.
And it was going to be a little spendier than he thought.
Now, granted, mind you, GMs in radio kind of like this.
And this promotion had made about $15,000, right?
We were clear 15.
So I was like, all right, we were giving these winners cash.
There was a whole thing.
It was a whole big package.
So I'm trying to book these plane tickets, make it convenient for them.
And he comes running into my office.
Now, mind you, he's an old sports guy, right?
Very good sports guy.
Old school radio, one of those that, you know, talks like a 1950s DJ.
And he comes running into my office one day and he's like, I got it.
I got it.
And I said, okay, what do you got?
And he goes, if we, if we have them drive.
We're in Mitchell, South Dakota, by the way.
If we have them drive from Mitchell to Peer, they can get on a plane and they can fly from Peer to Rapid City.
They can catch a commuter plane from Rapid City to Minneapolis.
Then they can fly from Minneapolis to Chicago where there's a layover.
And then they go to Denver.
This is what our GM wanted to do.
So my husband's telling me the story of Rochester to Minneapolis, Minneapolis to Boston.
I just left daddy, but I said, you just turned into Tim Smith.
Yeah, that's, wow.
Both of those stories are incredible.
You actually now have to live with Tim
Smith
Jr.
I do.
I do.
But,
all right, I'm picturing on the map and I've been to Rochester before.
Sure.
And why do I always want to Jack Benny when I hear the word
Rochester?
I love Rochester.
It's a great city.
That's where the Mayo Clinic is, correct?
Okay.
But I thought that was, I thought that was west of
Minneapolis.
Uh, it is, excuse me, it is, um, is it West?
Yeah, it'd be, it'd be West of Minneapolis.
Yes.
I had to think about geography.
If I, if my just geography in my head is correct, you have to drive past the airport that
you're going to fly back to.
We would have, we would have, but we're not doing that leg.
Remember, we're just picking up a Minneapolis.
We just bought the cheaper plane ticket.
Can you do that though?
Are you sure you can do
that?
He says we can.
He apparently checked it out.
I don't know.
Okay.
All right, because I know this is a scam kind of thing, not that not that you guys are perpetrating a scam,
but I
know there are people there is a term and part
of you can
look this up.
The term when you only use part of the flight to save money like you guys
are.
Yeah.
So you're not, you're never going to Rochester.
Probably not Rochester.
And if we have to it is only about a half hour 45 minute drive.
It's not the end of the world.
I just thought was
hilarious.
But it's
you don't live in Minneapolis.
So it's a half hour, 45 minutes past where you actually need
to
go.
And I'm sure you checked every other airport.
We did.
We were looking at even flying, even if we would have driven to Chicago.
And here's the conundrum in this whole trip.
We're going to be in Boston for work.
basically the weekend through Tuesday.
Soon as those meetings end on Tuesday, we have to get back on a plane to be in Minneapolis for a convention that we have to be at Wednesday and Thursday.
So that is the conundrum.
That's why we can't just fly out of just anywhere.
Your life
is way too complicated.
That's the problem.
This is really complicated.
And mind you, this Boston trip was actually supposed to happen this week, so it kind of got a little bit more complicated.
That was actually supposed to happen this week.
I wasn't supposed to be at that one, so...
This whole thing just got a little wonky, because sometimes that happens in life too.
It
gets
a little weird and you don't plan
on it being
a little weird.
Speaking of a little weird, Trump's still going after the Pope.
That's that's weird.
So we'll talk a little bit about that.
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Good morning.
I'm Brian Noonan.
OK, we were talking real quick before we get into the president's battle with the Pope, which is ongoing.
Yeah.
Biggest mistake.
You might as well just book an express train to hell if you're arguing with the Pope.
But we were talking about Jamie's trip and maybe using one, not using one leg of the ticket news.
And I knew there was a term.
Yes.
Parker is intrepid in his use of the Google machine.
Parker, what'd you find out?
I have found skip lagging
or a hidden city ticketing.
Yes.
Skip lagging is the term that I had heard a number of times.
Yes.
What
is that?
It is a definition quote, AI overview Google.
Thank you very much.
A travel hack where you book a flight with a layover at your intended destination, but exit at the layover city, skipping the final leg to save money on airfare.
Well, not illegal.
It violates air traffic.
It does.
And it depends on the airline contracts.
It does.
And it depends on the airline weather, how they handle it.
Now, my husband says he's checked into this.
I'm going to assume that we probably end up flying in and out of Rochester, which is a short drive to Minneapolis.
But... I'm going to assume the owners of this fine company get a call that you two are in the...
airport huskow
that's right that's right uh at least if we do end up driving that was the thing i mean but i mean the whole conversation is
centered on the fact that it is impossible to get really great airfare right now, and it is so expensive to do any sort of traveling, that you are literally flying out of airports, and there's nothing wrong with Rochester, because it's the home of the Mayo Clinic.
No, this is no
shade on Rochester.
No, but it is, it is... Why do
you have to add Rochester
to the interior?
Right, it's crazy that that's what you have to do in order to get airfare that is actually...
affordable.
In our case, this trip came up last minute, so you're always going to pay a little bit more or a whole lot more in this particular case.
But yeah, this is a weird time to have to do any sort of traveling between gas prices, jet fuel, higher costs at the airports.
It's insanity.
I don't understand how adding the flight makes it cheaper.
You're
flying from
one major hub to another major hub, but you have to add in tertiary.
We literally took each ticket down about $300, which is insanity.
That's dumb.
It's so insane.
And we're not doing like some, you know, uh, some sides, the sort of second tier.
You're not
fine.
You're not
flying first class.
You're not,
uh, business.
We actually are.
We actually are because we were able to upgrade.
Whoa, I thought we were on like
Suncon
or
something.
Not anymore.
We were on Delta in the first class because we were able to upgrade because he has to have leg room.
My husband is a horrible traveler.
Whatever he wants to do, I just let it happen because I don't want to listen to it.
Suddenly, I was feeling sorry for Jamie Parker.
Don't feel sorry.
No.
Miss Boozy.
Don't feel sorry.
We fly first class.
Oh, okay.
Well, listen, I fly steerage,
so I don't, you know, I'm always flying.
This is the first time we've ever been in first class, and the only reason he upgraded is because it was only $100 more, and he goes, and then he goes, I get to board first.
He really hates it when he's in zone eight to
board.
Hold on.
Wait a minute.
I know we're, we gotta talk, we, I, hold on though.
Hold on.
He's on a quest to find the cheapest flights.
And yet, he will upgrade for $100 each.
So doesn't the extra drive distance at the
price of
gas now, doesn't it all equal out?
Couldn't you have just spent the same amount
of
money by not upgrading and driving
extra?
Probably there is certain Brian, you know this you've been married a long time to your lovely wife There are certain times when as the others the others part of the the equation you just sit back and you let things happen around you and
I Would I know see that I would go no
When it comes to numbers and money I feel like
Yeah, if the goal is to save money, then you don't upgrade.
He's got a handle on it.
You know, he's a big boy.
If that's what he wants to do, it's cool.
I'm just here for the ride.
Let me be honest.
Again, I was giving you sympathy.
Oh,
don't give me sympathy.
No.
No,
I was feeling, it was a horrible situation.
But now that I know you're flying first class, zero sympathy.
Traveling is awful right now.
There's your bottom line.
Unless you
just...
Sure it is.
If you can't afford first class and you like Rochester, everything's beautiful.
It's perfect.
It's perfect.
Perfect time to travel.
Listen, real quick, the Trump is still going after the Pope.
The Pope, he's saying that the Pope believed it was okay to have a nuclear weapon.
You've heard this before.
The Pope has said no such thing, but he has opposed U.S.
U.S.
and Israel's war on Iran.
Now there's a latest exchange and that comes as Marco Rubio is heading to the Vatican for a two-day visit this week.
The State Department said Rubio would work to advance bilateral relations.
There's no negotiating working a deal with the Pope like the President wants
to do.
The
Pope is the Pope.
The mission of the church is to preach the gospel, to preach peace.
That's what the Pope said.
You're not going to get him off that.
It's not like the Pope wavers it is.
You know what?
You're right.
I'm going to, I'm going to go with some war now.
Plus the Pope is a Chicago and he's been threatened before.
You, you don't scare this Pope.
No, no,
absolutely not.
They
keep doing it.
They keep trying.
So Rubio denied that he was going to Italy to smooth over tensions between Trump and the Vatican.
According to little Marco, he said, it's a trip we have planned from before.
And obviously we had some stuff that happened.
There's a lot to talk about with the Vatican.
How do you how would you feel you think a plan in this trip bed?
How would you feel if you
were
Marco Rubio being sent to the Vatican to have to smooth things over with the Pope?
Well, in the middle of all this Marco Rubio is also the one doing the press briefings now.
I I don't
love
him.
I know
the press
is
like
Ma'am, Mark was on the mark.
They asked him what his, he DJed a family friend, a family friend's wedding over, over the last weekend.
And so the big question of the press was what, what his DJ name was.
He would, they were having a great time at the podium.
And
he was answering questions
and he wasn't
as, he
wasn't as
belligerent as everybody else.
And
now they're saying, oh, Mark was, Mark was taken over, JD is out for the, for 20, 28.
Tension in the
ranks.
Well, Wisconsinites, you don't mind spending money.
We know Jamie and her airfare.
They'll spend willy-nilly to get first class.
But Wisconsinites are supporting fee increases.
Where and why we'll talk about that.
After this, it's daybreak on the Civic Media Network.
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I am Jamie Martenson.
Good morning.
I'm Brian Noonan again at Echo Jamie.
Yes, we're glad you're here.
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Money is tight for everybody.
We always, you know, one of the big issues of the election.
When was the last election?
A couple of weeks ago?
We've had elections all the time.
But referendum, people spending more money, paying more fees.
It's always an issue.
Nobody wants to pay more fees unless it comes to
something that is really near and dear to your heart.
And for Wisconsinites who are big into conservation, well, they don't mind paying fees because this year's Wisconsin Conservation Congress spring hearings found that a majority of respondents in nearly every county supported increasing hunting, fishing, and trapping license fees by at least 25%.
Now you would think,
Oh, who wants to pay that much more for their licenses?
Well, 1,200 people attended in-person hearings hosted by the organization.
If you don't know, it's an elected body.
It advises the National Resource Board and the DNR on policy on behalf of citizens.
Some people voted online.
Almost 7,000 people weighed in on more than 40 conservation-related questions.
Now, every spring, people here in Wisconsin
whether you're an outdoors person or not have the opportunity to make your voices heard on issues related to the state's natural resources.
This year respondents made it clear that they are willing to pay more in fees to sustain DNR programs and that makes me feel good on a Thursday morning that we're not especially and we talk about this all the time and you live in Wisconsin you know how important
outdoor areas and outdoor recreation and nature are to this state and it does my heart good to see that people are like no we this is a priority we're willing to pay more so just do it and it but on the flip side because I'm always looking for the dark side because it's usually not very far away
it's like oh and I know it's I know it's a different amount of money and I know everybody's not but to say well we'll fund we'll fund DNR programs because we love the woods but I don't want to pay more in property taxes because right you know I don't have a kid in school
Do you think it's because with the property tax discussion, and I completely understand what you're saying, but do you think with the property tax discussion it is because it is such an astronomically large jump and because it keeps coming up year after year, right?
So people are just overwhelmed and done with it.
Right, and if you don't want if you're not a hunter or a fisherman or you don't use these services You don't have to buy the license so you don't have to pay more and and I get it It just it's
but it's I know I'm
comparing apples and oranges which you shouldn't do but but I am I am truly happy that people realize okay keeping our natural
beauty and keeping things clean and keeping things going for the DNR is important too.
And if I'm going to be the person who takes advantage of these pristine wildernesses to do whatever I want to do, then I have to pony up a little bit.
And it's like being somewhat of a steward to the land that you love, right?
And I think the thing that I loved about this, the fact that so many people were willing to show up and speak up and say, yeah, we're willing to pay, is because when you start to see cuts, right, that means there's gonna be less maintenance, there's gonna be fewer programs, there's gonna be less access for the people who are excited about these, who showed up at that meeting.
I think what's most interesting is when people actually start seeing those types of impacts, the perspective is going to shift just a little bit.
I mean, anybody who hunts, anybody who fishes, anybody who just loves to be outside, people who usually, those are people who are usually going to push back on the higher fees because they're using a little bit more, but I love that they basically showed up and said, no, we'll pay more because we don't want things to decline.
We'll pay more, but they do reserve the right, according to DNR spokespeople.
They still will complain.
The first year, people will always complain that they have to do it, but then they'll say, all right, we'll pay it, but we're gonna still complain about it.
Okay,
I
don't mind that.
you're here listening to one of the biggest complainers around.
I will complain about it.
But I'll also know I have to do it because it's worthwhile.
And but you know, anytime you have to spend more
money,
seriously, right?
Yeah, because nobody wants to spend more money, especially right now.
But
I want my
If I'm going fishing, I want my lakes and rivers clean so
I'm not
pulling out three-eyed fish
or
finding those
zombie fish like we had last
week.
Oh, man, we don't want that.
But I also thought what was interesting about this is several of the voters also supported fee increases for trout and turkey stamps.
Those haven't changed in more than 20 years.
So, I mean, they're willing to start paying a little bit more.
And they were largely split on a proposal to change an access fee for public lands and also some natural areas.
and they disproved any sort of registration fee for canoes, kayaks, and paddle boards at this particular meeting.
So that's how you're using the outdoors, because you like to do the water sports.
Well, your canoe is safe.
You don't have to pay anything for your canoe.
I don't like canoeing.
I love kayaking.
Maybe
it's because canoes take a little more skill because those
things
will flip in an instant.
Yes, yes.
I will honestly say I am not a swimmer.
I am not.
So doing any sort of water activity scares me just a little bit.
Kayaking is one that I've always been more interested in.
And I will honestly say that anybody who paddle boards, I am totally in awe of you because that looks like a really hard task to stay in.
balance, tip yourself right over and go right into the water.
So I will always be in awe.
I like I like a kayak because I can sit I like to sit on top ones.
I'm not
into
those ocean kikes where you get in and you've got the plastic neck and your
yeah,
I like the the nice big wide bottom ones and you just cruise along and then you can float for a little bit.
See, that sounds lovely.
And we do have so many awesome lakes in this state where that is possible.
I mean, even on the lake that we lived in, as much runoff as it was, people did come from the area to kayak in it a lot.
On Goose
Poop
Lake?
They did, because the scenery was gorgeous.
It was gorgeous around there, right?
You just had to overlook everything else.
Don't pay
attention to what's on the end of your
paddle.
No, but the scenery was beautiful.
And if you were somebody who didn't want to pay the state park fees, right?
Because Mirror Lake State Park was near us, and so was Devil's Lake State Park.
And Devil's Lake is gorgeous, but always overrun.
Doesn't matter what time of the year.
As soon as you get your first nice day, you might as well plan on walking a couple miles to get into Devil's Lake State Park.
And that's not hyperbole.
It's literally people park on the road to get into the park because it's that used.
So if you didn't want to pay those park fees close by,
little lake, beautiful scenery, and people would come in kayak and spend time out on our lake.
And there was a launch as well.
So we had several kayaks.
I found a
place right over near me because I live in a lot of forest preserve
area.
They have a little kayak boat launch and rental.
So it's like 25 bucks.
You could rent the kayak
for a
couple hours.
And it's a big enough lake where you can paddle around and you don't feel like you're in a pool.
You can go pretty far and I'm like, oh, this is fantastic.
I
know now
I got to buy a pot if I were the kind of person Parker who bought first-class plane tickets and added legs Superfluous legs to my flights because I got money to burn
I buy
a couple kayaks.
That's right.
I you know I just go and rent
now I will say that my kid has a Blow-up kayak which he really really loves and it is way sturdier that I thought it was gonna be when he came to me and he said I'm gonna spend like 250 bucks when he was living at home before
before he moved to Milwaukee and get a blow-up kayak, I was like, I was picturing like the little pony, you know, that you get for your kids.
Oh, like the floaty, a
little floaty ring where he just did, did, did.
That's what I
was picturing in my head.
That is not what it is.
It is much better than that.
It is fantastic.
And he loves it.
And when he's not using it, he can literally pack it up and it just stays in storage.
And then when he wants it, he can take it out.
You know, you gotta spend some time when you get to the park.
with your pump and all of that good stuff.
Yeah, that's true.
It works.
But for him, who lives in a literally an efficiency apartment and has about 250 square feet, it's a perfect thing because he does like to use a kayak and get out.
And he doesn't always necessarily want to rent one, depending on what he's doing.
Right, because if you're using it more than once or twice a season,
And
I think he even bought his used from somebody when he was still living at home because he was like, I don't know how much I'm going to use this, but I think it'd be kind of cool.
If I trust
a used inflatable though.
The guy was great when he bought it.
I think he had it all blown up so you could make sure that it wasn't like, you know, it didn't have holes and it was worth the purchase price and all that
kind of stuff.
The guy's praying, please.
At
least my kids can swim.
So that's good.
So if it would have had a hole in it, he could have doggy paddled his way.
I'm always amazed by people who can't swim.
I mean, not, I'm not a distant swimmer.
I mean,
I'm never going to beat, you know, Michael Phelps in a race,
but
it's always amazing to me.
And I don't know why because I, you know, it's not like we were at the beach every
day,
but we all
know
how to swim.
And I think I've told you guys, told our morning show crew here the story.
What I was about...
three, two or three.
I was in swimming lessons.
Oh, yes, you did, okay.
Yes, and I did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For listeners.
Somebody tried to drown you.
Yeah, literally my instructor, because I'd always had, I always had really, I always had ear infections when I was a little girl.
I had tubes in my ears, always the sinus is the allergy type issues.
And so I was very scared to go underwater because it always hurt my ears.
I always had pressure in my ears.
And so when I was in swim lessons, the instructor got kind of angry with me because I wouldn't.
go underwater, and so she actually pushed me under, and she held me there.
So you're not afraid, you're not afraid of water?
I'm not afraid of water, that was just the last time I went to a swim lesson.
Yeah, that makes perfect
sense.
That makes perfect sense.
And see, my mom hated the water.
But she made sure we all
could swim because she didn't
want us to.
My boys are not great swimmers.
Dexter is a much stronger swimmer than Max.
But you know, Max could at least float himself or doggy paddle himself to shore, which is really all I ever kind of wanted for him, right?
Like, at least be able to save yourself from drowning if you
need to.
I'm a good treader.
I can tread very well.
sure because of my old age you know you don't you don't do a lot of i don't do a lot of distance swimming i like to i'm a soaker now
i like to go in and just soak and just float i
can't tread i will go i like being underwater swimming underwater i like to do that but um
it's so good and as you get older too it's so good for the joints right because there's so many
tell you
yeah and i remember when i was uh when i was pregnant with max i had very difficult pregnancies one of my therapies uh to get through it was actually pool therapy um because of the boy
and it took all the pain off the joints and things like that.
So I was able to actually just float and it was really, really good.
And it was so helpful to get through those eight and a half months of life when you were having major
difficulties.
I can imagine.
I'm gonna say I don't know what it's like to be pregnant.
Parker, does this shock
you?
No For me, it wasn't fun.
I was jealous of the women who were like, oh, this is the best time of my life.
I was like, oh shut up I
think that's all for that's all
I was awful for me.
It was awful.
It was awful.
I've
known a lot of pregnant women
And none of them are like, oh, I wish I could stay pregnant forever.
Oh, it was
usually counting the days like get this
thing out of me.
Yes.
Yes.
I was on bed rest and things.
So it was a whole thing.
But no, I was not.
I started counting down the days after about month two.
Debbie started counting.
She was in bed the last month, month and a half.
Yeah.
But then it was.
The big thing was, oh, I can have a beer in six weeks.
I can have a beer in five weeks.
I can have a
beer.
You do what you do to get you to the end.
I'm telling you.
That's
right.
Hey, kids are playing a dangerous game, and I mean that both figuratively and literally.
We will talk about that and what police departments are doing about it.
This is Daybreak.
I'm Brian Noonan.
I'm Jamie Martenson.
This is the Civic Media Network.
Local news, community stories, and the conversations that matter most.
Now, more Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.
Good morning.
Thank you so much for joining us today on the Civic Media Network.
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My name is Jamie Martinson.
I'm Brian Noonan.
Have your kids participated in...
Nerf Wars or Senior Assassins or Paranoia.
It's a game that many names, but one thing, how is this going for you?
8-5-5-7-5-Civic-8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Now these are new names.
I didn't think these were still going on.
Parker was very upset that in high school he did not get to play Nerf Wars.
I know Nerf guns are a huge thing.
I have a couple of Nerf weapons in my house at my age and my wife
hates
it
because...
Whenever I pull them out, she becomes a moving target.
Even though they don't
hurt
their nerve bullets.
Why do I just picture you sitting in like a recliner?
And as she walks by, it's like target practice.
Well,
you're you're not far off.
OK.
Or I will I like to lurk.
I will be somewhere behind a corner and then
I will
leap out and and pepper her with because I have one that looks like a little handheld Gatling gun.
I like the idea of Brian, like, sitting or standing behind his wife, like, sitting in her chair with a cup and Brian just trying to shoot lob darts into her cup.
It's all about, it's, you know, you have to keep your mind sharp.
I'm studying angles, geometry,
all that.
Of
course.
Well, kids are doing it all over.
And now sometimes the police are getting involved.
So.
Germantown, which is outside of Milwaukee if you don't know, the Germantown Police Department is getting a little proactive because their kids are kids are getting a little more brazen.
in their game playing.
So the intent is hard according to their Facebook posts, the German tumblies.
Even if the intent is harmless, the appearance of a weapon, especially at night, can trigger a full emergency response.
Officers arriving on a person with a rifle call must assume it's real until proven otherwise, and that's where things get dangerous fast.
If you're connected to students or parents in the area,
The practical takeaway is simple.
What feels like a harmless game among friends can look like a weapons incident to everyone else.
Once that call is made, you can't undo the response.
And this is all coming because people on their ring cams are seeing it because kids are yes, kids are having fun.
They're dressing in all black.
They're they're disguising themselves.
They're running around at night and people see, you know, a high school senior
looks like a
grown man.
or grown
woman.
And you just see them with a gun and you don't know that it's a Nerf gun, right?
You have no idea.
And I imagine that it is probably a little scary for some people in that situation.
You know, I find it funny though, because that's a bit of a more of a challenge, right?
If you've ever been in an actual Nerf war, adding the darkness to it is much more of a challenge.
So I also get why kids are like, ooh, let's do it at night.
When I was a freshman in college, we
played a game in our dorm called Assassin.
So it was basically the same thing.
You picked somebody's name and you had to kill them.
And then it was a bracket challenge.
Not real.
Parker, it was not, you know, Lord of the Flies.
I
trust you.
We didn't have a lot of Nerf guns.
So it was like those soft tip orange plastic darts, the real
ones.
Those can actually hurt if they come at you fast enough.
Yeah.
I found a beautiful replica sawed off shotgun dart gun.
double barrel oh and it was it was great and I realized I enjoyed stalking my prey because I I figured out this guy's schedule and he had engineering class and between our dorm and the engineering building was woods and one day I laid in wait in the woods like crouched behind
And a ton of people saw me and freaked out as they walked past.
Of course.
Sure, because there's a giant dude with what looks like a sawed-off shotgun.
Stopping someone.
Yeah.
I got him.
I got
him.
He
had messed around.
Did you end up having to talk to campus security?
No, thank goodness.
Nobody, see in those days you didn't see something, say something.
You saw something you minded your own damn business.
That's what we
did back in the day.
Yeah.
And so I unloaded both barrels into his chest.
And
he still made it to engineering class, by the way.
Well, he was coming home.
That's how I
went.
That was a plan.
I was like, all right, I'll get him
when he's coming home
because his focus will be shifted.
And I'll just lay here.
And I had an eye on the door that I knew he would come out, or at least I was on the path I knew he had to take back to the dorm.
How
many days did you stock this?
I
stalked him for about a week because I couldn't, I couldn't catch him.
He was
pretty
wily.
But he
never, he never anticipated the level of dedication I would have to fulfilling my,
my
quest.
That's way better than having seven and eight year olds behind trees at a park shooting at each other with their nerf
guns.
Yeah, this is, this is 19 year old or 18 year old man jumping out from the bushes and just blasting you.
But, you know, I have a fallback position.
If things don't work out.
There you go.
Maybe.
There's probably much better money in assassin
than there is in
radio.
Probably.
Yeah, we did not go to that extent in our house.
We were talking about it off the air.
We had a group of kids that my boys hung out with when they were really little.
We'd all go to garage sales and pick up any Nerf weapons we could, you know, like from everything from the ones that did automatic shooting to the ones that they'd have to continue to reload.
We had little handguns.
had all of it and they would go out and to the park and we'd pack a picnic and there'd be probably 10-12 kids between the ages of five and eight running around Dexter was always
the
youngest so he was three and they would use the trees and they would have teams and it was like an all out all out effort out there at the parks and
Best place ever.
I think it's great that Nerf guns have not been outlawed
yet.
Yes.
By, you know, people.
Right.
Because I listen, I know guns are dangerous.
Yes.
But the way these Nerf guns have expanded, now they've got like huge strap on M60s.
Oh, it's crazy.
Kids are
using.
And you could put, you could use batteries in them.
So they're just automatic now.
So you don't actually have to even use it.
It is crazy.
It's crazy.
No, I'm sure there are people who are, well, isn't that leading them to want to use real guns?
I don't know.
It's leading me to.
You want to use space laser guns,
what I use by Nerf guns.
Because when you do it, you want to do the pew pew pew sound.
Yes.
If you don't pew pew pew, have you really even
fired
a Nerf gun?
No.
No.
All right, enough of that.
Be safe out there, kids.
That's our lesson to you.
Do what we say, not what we do.
On the other side, it's more as you need to know.
And then we'll talk about the Hunter virus, a lot going on in hour two on Daybreak on the Civic Media Network.
Wisconsin wakes up here.
Back to Daybreak with Brian and JB.
706 right now.
Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
We hope you are having a great start to your Thursday.
Hey, it's almost a weekend, Brian.
That's good news.
I know.
Thursday shows always feel like the last show of the week.
I don't know why because we have to, we work on Fridays.
We're not, you know, we're not Johnny
Carson.
It's the spirit of it all.
It's the spirit of it all.
I think
so.
I think you just started, you just started looking.
looking ahead.
Well, we look ahead every morning and try to find out big news stories because there's s you need to know.
It's a wake up call in more ways than one.
Time for some shit you need to know.
Yep.
Well, Iranian officials in the Trump administration yesterday offered contradictory and rapidly changing assessments of the state of the war and peace talks.
all while providing very few details about those negotiations.
Sound familiar?
Hours after threatening more attacks, the president insisted during remarks in the Oval Office yesterday afternoon that the U.S.
had, quote, won the war in Iran.
He also said that Washington had, quote, unquote, very good talks with Iran in the last 24 hours, adding, we're in good shape, now we're doing well, and we have to get what we have to get.
Okay, well around for its part gave different appraisals of how negotiations were proceeding the country's foreign ministry spokesperson Spokesman said yesterday that his government was reviewing an American plan to end the war and would convey its views to the Pakistani side Earlier in the day another Iranian official had dismissed a reported proposal to end the war as quote a list of American wishes
The mixed messages came a day after the president abruptly paused a US military operation to escort ships through the Strait of Hormuz, citing that he had made great progress in talks.
Now in public, there have been little signs that the week of diplomacy aimed at reaching a deal.
and the end of the war were bearing any fruit.
In a true social post yesterday, Trump said he would end the war and offer safe passage for vessels through the strait if Iran, quote, agrees to give what has been agreed.
We'll sort that out in a minute.
He
did not elaborate.
If they don't agree, the bombing starts, he threatened, warning that further U.S.
attacks would be at a much higher level in intensity.
The suggestion appeared to contradict the assertion made by Secretary of State Marco Rubio Tuesday that the war was over.
Okay, every day it's more of the same.
We're doing great, the war's over.
Oh no, we're gonna start bombing.
Jamie, I saw your face.
I want to know if you can explain that quote from the president, again on true social, if Iran agrees to give what has been agreed.
Can you parse that at all for
me?
I cannot, which is why I probably made a face.
I don't understand what any of that means, of course.
I don't understand a lot of things that have been happening recently.
So there's that.
But I think the bottom line for me in all of this is that this type of uncertainty...
is where we start risking even more lives.
And we've seen thousands of people killed in the Middle East because of this conflict.
We have seen US soldiers killed because of this conflict.
And when a world leader is sending these type of messages, it makes it harder to know
what is happening.
And we don't know if things are improving.
We don't actually know if anything's improved.
We don't know if anything is actually worse.
We don't know if there is a chance of more escalation because of the uncertainty in these contradictory statements.
And there's also we've got a story later about that we're not even getting the full report on how bad things actually are for the US military.
And imagine if you were in the military.
You're hearing on the same day the war is over the war is not over.
We're gonna start bombing again No, we've done very well if you're in the military.
How do you even process this?
It's like hey How about you guys get on the same page and tell us what we need to be ready for because we're the people who are In harm's way.
We're the people who have to carry out this stupid war that nobody wanted that we didn't need and we also have to carry out contradicting plans
all the time we have to be ready are we done are we ramping up are we going home what's going on it's irresponsible it's ridiculous and it is not how and this is the cop outline it's not how things are supposed to be
There's also credibility issues too, right?
I mean, even when Marco Rubio says something and the president says something, that is confusion for the American people.
It's also confusing for our allies, for the markets, which this administration likes to hang all of their success on.
It's also confusing for other countries who are also trying to respond because they're also seeing the ramifications for war that they don't want to be a part of and didn't start.
And I think most importantly, it also risks, there's a risk of miscalculation in these comments because when communication is this unclear, there is a chance for misunderstanding, overreaction.
And in a situation, again, where we're involving military operation, that's not a position I want our military in when there's this much confusion.
I mean,
you can't you can't have a credibility problem if you never had credibility.
So we'll throw that one out.
But the communication is you're you're absolutely right.
We have to somebody and it's never going to happen with this group.
You're never going to get a straight unilateral here's because in the past when this country has gotten into war and you could agree with them or disagree with them.
That's not the issue.
The issue was when we entered into a conflict.
The president would come on, he would address the American people after he had spoken to Congress and everybody in that administration had the same message because the message came in a consistent manner from the head of the, well, the commander in chief came from the president and he laid out a clear path.
We have not heard anything.
We have heard a made-up excuse about Iran having a nuclear weapon or the capability of nuclear weapon, which contradicted, again, the president saying that it had been obliterated.
So from the very first bomb that dropped, there has not been justification.
There has not been reasoning.
There has not been a clear path forward.
What does victory look like?
What are we going to do down the road?
And how do we get out?
every in sometimes hours.
This changes our objective changes are everything is out the window.
So there is no consistency.
There is no clarity.
And when we I can't wait to talk about this story, the other story down
the road,
because it is, yeah, unfathomable that we are allowing this to happen.
And this administration still has no off-ramp to this thing.
And
they've wildly miscalculated the Iranian response, which we've seen from March 1st.
Because they figured they were going to drop the first bombs and that was it.
It gets worse and worse.
And before we move on, the one thing I would remind everybody is that in the past, when presidents have been able to come on and make those addresses and tell the American people what's happening, it's because they've aligned themselves with career-long diplomats, negotiators, and...
and people who are experienced and have some sort of higher knowledge of these countries and their inner workings and are able to actually go in and figure out what is happening or a career military who understand how these operations should play out.
That's why they're able to be strategic.
But if you're
the smartest guy on the planet, Jimmy, you don't need any of those, you know, nerds jumping in with their...
Fiddle faddle.
I miss those nerds.
Let me tell you.
I miss those nerds a whole lot right now.
I want somebody who's devoted their whole life
to the Middle East.
Yes
strategies and war and
Yes
conflicts.
I want I want people who've negotiated more than just a bad real estate deal right
going
over to talk to these leaders of foreign countries and you know knowing that it's not a it's not a win or die game.
It's
Negotiating
and this is why it's so dangerous when you start taking those career individuals out of an administration
because this is what they have done their entire lives.
This is why you have them in those roles.
And that's why, and I get it, I get it.
We overspend in this government.
I think there does need to be a cleansing of how money is spent and I get that.
I understand that portion of it because I also agree that we use money weirdly in this country and we can't always explain it.
But with that being said,
There are people who are in those offices for a reason, and I trust those people.
That's who I trust.
This has not been good over the last few
months.
But there is more
as we need
to know, Jamie.
There is.
Absolutely.
Looks like the FBI has been busy.
In fact, yesterday they searched the Virginia State Senate Leader's hometown office as part of a corruption investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Federal agents were also seen at the senator's nearby cannabis business.
Now, the search at Virginia Senator L. Louise Lucas' office in Port's mouth comes after the Democrat helped lead the state's recent
redistricting effort.
The FBI said only that it was conducting a court authorized search in Portsmouth.
The person who confirmed the FBI search was not authorized to discuss any ongoing investigation by name and spoke to the media, specifically the Associated Press on conditions of anonymity.
Now, besides the search at Lucas's office, which houses her disability services business and is her political base in Portsmouth, agents at FBI
shirts were also went into the nearby cannabis store that she opened in 2021.
Several entrances at the cannabis outlets parking lot were blocked by unmarked vehicles with flashing blue lights as was an entrance to the politicians office.
Now, Lucas is a prominent backer of legalizing marijuana.
She has said that the store sells legal hemp and CBD products.
It is drawn scrutiny from local media because there's allegations that some products were mislabeled.
Virginia has legalized
possession, but retail sales of recreational marijuana remain illegal in the state.
Now, one House Speaker, Don Scott, said that he was deeply concerned by this FBI search.
He said, quote, right now there is far more theatrics and speculation than actual information available to the public.
Other Virginia Democrats were also quick to note that the search comes as the FBI and Justice Department have opened a bit of a, there's a TIF that's politically charged with investigations into perceived
adversaries of President Donald Trump.
I mean, this is the same story we've seen, right?
I mean, over and over again.
And let me be also be clear, Senator Lucas is also an ally of Abigail Spanberger, who is now the governor.
She was instrumental in helping her get elected to that seat.
She was instrumental in her congressional run as well.
then led the redistricting charge in the state of Virginia.
Which I don't think it's connected, but the republic is very unhappy with the fact that Virginia was able to redistrict based on a vote
You know, based on the will of the people,
they
didn't like that.
But again, I'm sure it's not connected that now you're
going to investigate.
Let's say it's not.
Let's just hypothetically say it's not.
It's very convenient that this would come up right this moment.
Coincidental.
Just like the fact that now the FBI is investigating the reporter who published the story in The Atlantic about Cash Patel's alleged drinking issues and trying to find the leak and they will prosecute the leak as
well.
So again, coincidence.
I don't believe in coincidences.
You know that I'm not a big, I'm not a big Oh, wow, that just all happened together.
So it is it is again, the well and the Justice Department just this morning, also jumping into do Trump's bidding, trying to get the the judgment against Eugene Carroll thrown out.
You know, the one where Trump has to pay millions and millions of dollars for
assault sexual assault yeah I didn't want to you know I'm trying to parse my words but you can't parse sexual assault it is what it is
and he found guilty he was found
yes that's
true there's no more
allegedly he was found guilty all right fair enough hey it's swiper stay next coming right off sexual assault that's nice it's daybreak
Let's break out of the bubble and see what's happening out there in pop culture.
It's Swipe or Stay on Daybreak.
722 right now.
Thank you for joining us this morning.
It is time for Swipe or Stay.
Our senior producer, Frank, joins us as we put the politics aside for just a few minutes to talk a little pop culture.
How are you feeling today?
I'm feeling much better.
Good.
I am ready to go.
Well then, why wait?
Why wait?
Let's
go right into it, Brian.
We're doing swipe or say I'm going to read some pop culture headlines.
Brian and Jamie are going to have to decide whether to stay in here more or swipe on to the next one.
And we'll even let Parker play if these two can't decide.
That's nice.
I know.
Hey, I'm a nice executive producer.
All right, moving on
because a benevolent leader.
I am.
The New York Knicks got rejected in New York.
Oh.
I'll stay.
New
York next.
I'm going to pass because
I know it's a sports story and I think I know how Parker will vote.
So I want Parker to get away.
I want to swipe, but the way that it the way that you're talking about it makes me think that they got like rejected by a bouncer at a bar.
So I'm going to stay.
Good call, Parker.
Am I right?
I did.
Oh, sick.
Oh,
good call.
Do you hold on?
Do you guys really think I'm so bland that I would just put our top story as the next losing a basketball game or something?
Might be a slow night.
You're feeling,
you're feeling that would be a, if it was that slow overnight, I'd be like, Hey guys, we need to do something.
Parker, you're up.
I'm not doing this
one.
Parker, you're up.
Time for your audition.
This is an off the court story because the Knicks destroyed the 76ers in game one of their series, 137 to 98.
The trouble came for them after some members of the team tried celebrating the big win.
It was the same night as the Met Gala.
Oh.
And they tried getting into Madonna and Sabrina Carpenter's joint after party.
Oh, no.
OK.
No, the Knicks were promptly turned away at the door as the Met Gala after party was capped at a strict 200 guest limit invite only despite the venue being able to hold more.
Wow.
Even
those players
didn't hold the cloud.
Look at that.
Holy
fuck it.
Even after a win, the New York Knicks, which is like New York's pride and joy, were not allowed in.
There was also reports of people trying to, that were on the list, trying to bring plus ones in.
But if their name wasn't on the list, they couldn't get in either.
No.
Oh, even a
plus one, you
can't.
No.
Dang.
Wow.
It was highly exclusive.
Well,
so
what did the Knicks do?
Did they just leave quietly?
Yeah, there was no fights or anything.
Didn't
Sabrina Carpenter and Madonna perform at that?
Is that party two together again?
I believe I've read the rumors.
I believe
so.
It's Madonna just trying
to suck the youth out of
her
knees.
I'm not supposed to.
You're not supposed to read the stories.
No, I
will say that I would love to see the Knicks at a Sabrina Carpenter hosted event because she's so itty-bitty she'd come to like their knees.
I think that would be the greatest photo ever of her standing next to like a pro basketball player, just saying.
because she's
Parker.
Why are you laughing?
She's so
funny image.
She's a teeny human being.
She's like a teeny tiny human being.
I just think it would be fascinating to see her.
It's a giant
professional professional athlete.
It would be wild.
All right.
Moving on.
Los Angeles mayoral candidate featured in superhero themed ad.
I used to live in L.A.
I'm going to stay.
intriguing, I'll stay.
So neither of you guys saw this.
No, no.
Oh, I'm so happy now.
I could have swore you guys would know what this was.
No, I don't do any research.
All right.
So former reality star and current mayoral candidate Spencer Pratt.
Oh, God.
I forgot he was running for mayor.
He's like
a front runner.
Oh,
OK.
So there was an ad released the other night.
Yeah.
And it was Batman themed.
Okay.
The use of AI.
So this drew from the Dark Knight Rises, the kangaroo court scene, if you've seen the movie.
Yes.
And it featured L.A.
Mayor Karen Bass as the Joker.
California Governor Gavin Newsom dressed as a French aristocrat.
And former Vice President Kamala Harris, who just endorsed Bass, swilling vodka.
as a citizen begs begs the court for help, but is laughed at by the three judges and the aristocracy until Joe Rogan comes in and shines the light.
The SP logo into the sky signaling for Spencer Pratt, like he was Commissioner Gordon.
Oh, my God.
And then it shows Spencer Pratt through the use of AI, taking down all of these people.
Now, allegedly, Pratt's campaign had nothing to do with this.
However, this has become viral with a lot of right-wing, a lot of people on the right side of the aisle praising it for its creativity.
And it's the best.
I think Jen Bush said it was the best ad he's ever seen.
They're the same people who do the Trump memes and the Trump
videos of him
dropping poop on people and, you know.
L.A.
is going to do a really stupid thing, aren't they?
It's not the first time
L.A.
in
California are known for their stupid
things.
It's very
unbranded.
I think it's very, very unbranded for them.
And I don't think they can do all this.
No, they're not going to.
L.A.
itself is much more than the Hollywood elite, as you would like to call them.
And a lot of the Hollywood elite don't live in the city of
Los
Angeles.
They live in the county of Los Angeles, but they're not in the city.
People in the city are not going to, this isn't going to
play.
All right, Parker's giving me the one minute signal.
So prime video post warning to fans.
Stay.
Stay.
Good, because we don't have too much time.
Prime Video's warning fans of the Summer I Turn Pretty series to keep off the set of the new movie that's being filmed.
In a joint post on Instagram, Amazon MGM Studios Prime Video in the show's official account wrote, we love the excitement, but sharing location and visiting sets disrupts filming and creates real safety concerns for our cast and crew.
We're working hard to create a protected bubble, so stay out.
Wow.
That last part was just me anyway.
I didn't want to go to your set anyway
Let the people work.
All right, that's swiper stay everyone.
Thank you Frank always a good time swiper stay Hey, if you have to go to the ICU you probably can do it by the phone now, but are you gonna see a doctor?
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Call or text 85575 Civic.
Now back to Brian and Jamie
735 right now.
Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Hopefully you were having a great start to your Thursday.
A little sunshine across the state today as well.
Maybe a little bit warmer than we saw yesterday.
I'm telling you, the wind was chilly when I was out walking the dock.
I had to wear the coat out again.
It was not, I was not a happy camper.
The duck is doing fine in our bush.
We still don't have fuzzy heads.
I don't know what the gestational period for a duck egg is, but I'm getting anxious for the fuzzy heads.
I know they're going to come next week when I'm gone.
I was
going to say,
they
are.
You're going to come home, the ducks will be gone,
you'll have
some sort of little
breakdown and then you'll ask your son who's been home all week.
Did you see the ducks and he doesn't care
so he'll say no.
He didn't even know there was a duck living out there and he walks by 30 times a day.
You know I don't like duck mom.
I ordered Chinese but I did not.
I never get the
duck.
Well we talk
a lot about on this program and you probably talk about it too if you live in a rural area or a smaller town that it's harder and harder to find health care because rural hospitals are closing down doctors are not as plentiful as they should be and a lot of hospitals if they do stay open are getting rid of their ICU's the critical care stuff.
Well, as of May 1st, Ascension Wisconsin, rather, is making a little change.
Several smaller hospitals no longer are going to have critical care doctors physically present in their intensive care units.
But fear not, Jamie.
It's not like they're not going to have any presence.
They're going to be remote through telemedicine.
Yeah.
On-site care is still provided by hospitalists, along with nurses, respiratory therapists, emergency room physicians, if needed.
But the change affects some satellite hospitals in southeast Wisconsin, including facilities in Brookfield, Franklin, and Macquan.
I
understand why this is happening, but man, I don't like it.
Two months ago when my mom was taken to the hospital, she got into the emergency room.
They were doing all sorts of things on her and enrolled a robot doctor.
And she's, for all intents and purposes, deaf.
So that didn't work at all.
Right.
And she didn't, she's also 89.
She doesn't understand that this rolling TV is talking to her.
Right.
So
I mean, I guess if you're just dealing with the staff, if you're talking to the nurse and giving them instructions or talking to the on-site physician and giving them instructions, it's okay.
But if you have to talk to the patient and get that first-hand account or actually physically examine somebody
This is pretty scary news.
I think it is.
I mean, and this is this is a large hospital system, right?
And again, it's only one hospital system.
But it makes me wonder if Ascension is considering doing this at their smaller hospitals.
And as you rightly pointed out, the rural health care system in this state is not great.
I mean, there's been cuts, there's been job losses, there's been closures.
But if Ascension is contemplating doing this, our other hospital.
a chain's considering doing this.
And that's where my mind goes.
So who's next?
What other hospital is gonna be like, ooh, that's a great idea.
Maybe we should try that too.
I don't know, you know, and I'm kind of in the same boat you are.
My mom, as I've talked about on the show, she has congestive heart failure.
We've had to make several trips to an emergency situation.
She's actually spent time in rural hospitals and ICU units because that's where she needed to be.
And the robot doctors to me coming in, even in an emergency room.
are weird, right?
Like they're weird.
It
was really
weird.
And I had
just seen it on TV.
So
I was
like, wait, I thought on TV, I thought it was kind of a joke when I saw it on the pit.
And
it's not.
It feels a little bit like the Jetsons.
And I hate to be like that, but it really does.
This machine rolls in.
You've got, in some cases, you've got like the iPad for a face, right?
And then all of a sudden, the doctor just
pops onto this iPad.
There's really no examination that happens in some cases.
Depends on the hospital.
I get it.
Also probably depends on the severity of the situation.
But there's no there's no examination.
You're you're talking to an iPad, essentially.
There's usually in the cases where where this robot has been in the room when I've been in with my mom, there is no nurse in the room.
They come in afterwards.
So see now when I was in there, there was
there was the on site medical personnel.
But then and then this was like a cardiologist or it was some specialist who would who in the past they would have had to wait for somebody to
come down
from that department.
This is and I but I still to your point I still found it very weird and unsettling and it
was not
a good way to communicate.
Like I could have if I was the patient I would have understood it heard them I could have done all that.
Now
I am not an expert.
I don't pretend to be right.
Experts say that it can work, but there has to be really clear.
And it's kind of what we've been talking about really clear protocols.
There has to be really good strong communication.
And there has to be personnel on site.
If something goes wrong, there has to be rapid in person response.
So there have to be doctors.
Now, according to these national quality standards, typically still call for some level of in person ICU physician presence.
Larger Ascension Hospitals are still going to have ICU doctors on site.
But that doesn't calm me
to be
honest with you.
It
doesn't.
I want a doctor.
I also have found it, and this is kind of on the same continuum where, for financial reasons and all this,
we're not going to have doctors on site.
And it kind of is the same.
And this is no shade on nurse practitioners.
I did not not shade at all.
But when you visit a doctor and you never actually see the doctor, no, no, and you're always dealing with a nurse practitioner, which is fine.
These nurse practitioners seem to
know their stuff.
Yeah, I'm not there.
They're, I like to go up just about doctors.
Yeah, you know, they
know all this stuff.
They're just
They're just about doctors.
So
they're close enough to perfect.
I'll go with that.
That still is a weird thing.
It is a weird thing.
And Ascension says that telehealth ICU care is being used across the country, and it's meant to complement, not replace all of that in-person care.
Here's the thing that bothers me about this.
Some workers say that they received very little guidance before this change took place, especially about who responds during a crisis.
There's also some concerns that ER physicians may not be able to just leave their departments quickly to assist in the
ICU because, hey, it's an emergency room.
So somebody might be in there with an emergency and might also need care at the same time.
And here's the thing, I use telehealth for minor
things.
If I have a cold,
if I have pink eye.
Yes, you need to refill a prescription.
You got to talk to the doctor or whatever.
It has its place.
It totally has its place.
I don't know if I want...
telehealth when I go into an ICU, because let's be realistic.
If you're an ICU, this is probably a life or death situation, right?
Seconds are probably gonna matter.
You expect the highest level of care available.
And I just, I don't want telehealth.
I want a doctor in the room to help me and to make sure that all of the decisions are being made under that skillful eye.
That's just me personally.
I don't
want my medical care left up to, hey, who's around?
Right.
Is
there a
doctor in the house?
Should not be the ICU's policy.
No, that's what happens when you're at a restaurant and there's an emergency.
Right?
I mean, let's be
realistic.
That's in the movies I know I've never been anywhere.
And I've been in places.
I've never had anywhere somebody go, is there a doctor in
the house?
One flight about 10 years ago I was on and there was an emergency on the plane.
It turned out to be very minor, luckily.
They ran out of peanuts?
A attendant got on the in-plane speaker and said, is there a doctor or nurse on the plane today?
Which I thought was unsettling considering we kept flying and we were like two and a half hours yet from our destination.
turned out to be minor, which is good.
Well,
yeah, if they had landed the plane and it was minor, you would have been
furious.
Right, exactly.
If you delay my travel, you better be dead.
Right, exactly.
I think when it comes to this story, though, about the ICU, one of the other things that bothers me about it is cost, right?
Because we're already paying a lot for health insurance in this country.
premium, the deductibles, the out-of-pocket costs, a lot of families are carrying that burden for one reason or another.
But at the end of the day, we do everything we can to have insurance for some sort of peace of mind, because if something goes wrong, you want the best possible care that you can get.
And now...
That's true.
But, see, and I don't want to come off like I'm defending company.
There's been a lot of corporate... Sure.
problems.
There's a lot of financial problems.
And I'm torn between this robotic solution or having a hospital close.
Right.
And I get that.
So if I'm in that area, I still want a hospital.
I, you know, as much as I can, I and we all know that some hospitals are better set up for intensive care and traumas and all of that than others.
It's weird.
I don't completely trust it.
I know there's going to be a lot that has to be worked out.
But if the alternative is, listen, here at Ascension Wisconsin, we've lost this kind of money.
We had a cyber attack in 2024, which took out our system.
People are leaving.
We don't have as many doctors.
We have to, we have to do something.
Right.
And if I live in that community, I still want a hospital where if my kid, you know, slices their hand open, they can go to the emergency room.
I guess for me it comes down to if we're going to pay this type of money for our health care and I understand what you're saying and I agree because I don't want to see any more hospital closures.
But if we're going to pay this type of money for health care.
I feel like in a critical situation, especially in an ICU, we should have a specialist or a human being there and not be talking to a screen.
And yes, I understand there'll be nurses and hospitalists and things like that.
It's not the same as a doctor, right?
I mean, there is a comfort in having a doctor there in some sort of situation where it's critical.
Right, but it's a separate issue.
Our insurance money doesn't go to the hospital to staff.
our insurance money goes to these insurance companies that rake us over the cold nonstop.
So there it's two completely different pots of money.
True.
Our insurance money doesn't go.
The only way our insurance money goes is when the hospital bills us, the insurance company pays them whatever they're going to pay.
And usually it's way less than they should.
And we end up paying the rest.
So technically, I guess our insurance money does
go to
help the hospital's bottom line.
But
in
this kind of situation, it's not- I don't know, it just, and I know I understand, it just doesn't sit right in my mind that there are so many people struggling to even afford healthcare, and these are the types of options that we are now being given, right?
And I understand the two pots, but it, and I guess maybe it just goes to a larger, more zoomed out conversation about how screwed up our healthcare system is in this country, and how we, it doesn't meet the needs of so many people.
And it's become so-
expensive that we are literally being paced out of the market at a really high rate.
And when you're in a position, and here's the other thing too, I would say, if you're a hospital having to make these decisions, I can't imagine that's super easy for them either because there is shortage of staff and there aren't enough people to go around.
And I'm assuming they do want the best care in all of their facilities.
At least that's what I'm hoping.
I hope corporation hasn't gotten that big.
And at some point, I mean, we've all been in the hospital or had somebody we care about in the hospital.
You know, sometimes they're actually calling specialists on the phone.
The nurses or the people on staff are calling to get because those kind of specialists are not always around.
They're not around overnight.
They're not around on the weekends.
They're not around on Wednesday when they traditionally golf.
Isn't that the old
Wednesday was doctor golf
day?
So but so this is
not completely different, but it does take out one aspect of humanity.
I think is what's being taken out of healthcare due to budgetary reasons.
You lose that humanity.
Boy oh boy, some of our politicians are not quite getting what Cinco de Mayo and other things we're all about.
We'll talk about it after this.
local voices statewide impact.
It's Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.
It's 7.52 right now.
Thank you so much for joining us this morning on the Civic Media Network.
My name is Jamie Martinson.
And I'm Brian Noonan.
Good morning.
Boy, what
do you think
when a local politician puts his foot so far up his in his mouth?
We'll put it that way.
That you just can't believe it.
8557-5CIVIC 8557-5248-4TO.
Jamie, our good friend, DVO Derek Van
the Ones.
Yes.
He celebrated Cinco de Mayo the other day.
He did.
In probably one of the worst ways possible.
One of the... I just...
Well, I'll let you explain.
It was a video that he posted on social media of him standing in front of a chain restaurant, and it was a Taco Bell.
I
love a run
for the board.
This is on his public congressional page, and this was the audio from that.
Well, we did about five stops today, some official and some political.
So he's
standing in front of Taco Bell, okay?
And I get it, it's supposed to be a joke, right?
I get it, it's Cinco de Mayo.
Sure, we don't want
to seem humorless, the Democrats, we can't joke anymore,
we're
woke snowflakes.
I think what troubles me is on the same day that he posts this, right?
We have one of our other representatives who, sitting on a panel,
had this to say about women's and abortion access.
I know in the last year, for the first time in many years, we opened a third abortion clinic in the city of Milwaukee.
It's something that I hadn't seen before in Wisconsin, but it's something to hear about in other parts of the country.
The clinic was in a neighborhood clearly designed to...
deal almost exclusively with customers or patients of color and I thought that was kind of illuminating because that kind of gets to the underlying goal of I think so many people in the pro-abortion movement.
So in case you're wondering
what yeah, what's the that's Glenn Garofa?
It is and he was pointing to a reproductive health clinic in a black neighborhood Not as improved access to care, but as a part of a air quotes agenda
Yeah, what's the agenda and what did it illuminate Glenn?
What what actually you said it illuminated some points
I would I would love to hear what those points are because if you're are you saying and this is just me trying to figure it out are you saying that you know because it's a black neighborhood of course that's part
of
the deal we keep we the pro pro abortion it's that's another misno it's not pro abortion
no
it's pro choice
it is and
pro women's healthcare and pro let's give women
uh you know as crazy as they are fellas let's give them the right to make their own decisions we know they're gonna make screwball decisions sometimes i watched i love lucy
i
know how you ladies think right but you know you should be
Go ahead and make your mistakes
so
the guys can fix it, but we'll let you What would we how does that?
How does he say that?
And what we were sitting here yesterday at our post show meeting that we have every day We were we started having a discussion about amongst ourselves
aren't we okay with this?
Are we okay with these on the edge of racist jokes?
Are we okay as constituents of Derrick Van Orden and Glenn Grothman on this misogyny?
Especially from people who are voted and elected to represent all of us.
And I get there's party lines.
I understand that.
I understand how politics works because
What we're talking about here is is two people who are either making a joke or saying things that are not a joke and what they actually believe and they are supposed to be Representing the greater good of their district and the well in those districts
Here's something I can say after having done stand-up for over 30 years There are a lot of people who hide behind the it was a joke right when it's not if a joke
You don't have to like every joke.
You don't always have to find a joke funny.
But you're not allowed to make some statement or present some image when, one, you don't have any history of making jokes.
You know, Derek Van Orden not known for his jocularity.
So we're not going to... You can't then do something that is...
intrinsically offensive and hide behind it was a joke.
You could make a legitimate joke and I may not like it.
I may not agree with you, but I might still find that joke hilarious.
This was neither one of those.
And Groffmans was not a joke at all.
Groffmans was an unbridled, racist, misogynistic statement that he should be ashamed of and somebody should call him out on it.
Well, I guess we are doing that right now.
But Van Ordens was just stupid and lazy.
What are you trying to do on Cinco de Mayo?
Are you trying to marginalize Mexican-Americans even more?
Are you trying to make a joke about corporate consolidation of cultures and say, yes, look, this is what we pass off as Mexican in America?
What are you doing other than going, look at me, I'm so clever.
I've been a Mexican restaurant.
And you know what, for some people?
Who haven't had it?
That is authentic, Mexico.
It is, absolutely.
You
know, I've had much better.
No shade of Taco Bell.
I don't mind a chalupa.
But, you know, I...
Look, I might not agree with either of these human beings on a lot of their politics and that's fine, but I also expect my elected officials to not stereotype and not dismiss entire communities or send some sort of message about who's included and who isn't because you think that you're being funny on social media.
I
mean,
that's what I expect from my elected officials.
I understand where their politics lie.
I understand that not everybody in their district voted for them, but at the end of the day, you represent that entire district.
can choose who as an elected representative you are representing and whose voice you are carrying.
Well and if it's up to if it's up to voters if you hear statements like that keep that in mind because these guys have to run for election
again.
Go to the polls.
Yep go
to the polls.
Get ready for the
polls.
WMDX we got to say goodbye you're going to be listening to Stephanie Miller but you can always go right to the Free Civic Media app and continue listening to the third hour of the show.
We will get to so much more in the next hour we'll talk
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From Lake Superior to Lake Michigan.
This is
Wisconsin's Morning Conversation.
Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.
8-06 right now, thank you for joining us this morning.
If you are in Appleton and Oshkosh listening on W-I-S-S, if you're in Wausau on WXCO, La Crosse on LCX or Hayward on WBZH, we're glad that you decided to join us on this Thursday morning.
My name is Jamie Martenson.
And good morning, I'm Brian Noonan.
It is time for Samar.
You need to know.
It's a wake-up call in more ways than one.
Time for some shit you need to know.
Yeah, this is what we... I was eager to share this with you because...
The Washington Post had some exclusive reporting yesterday.
Iranian airstrikes have damaged or destroyed at least 228 structures or pieces of equipment at U.S.
military strikes across the Middle East since the war began.
That includes hangers, barracks, fuel depots, aircraft, radar communications, and defense equipment.
That according to a Washington Post analysis of satellite imagery.
Now that is more than we're being told and it is a number that
is much higher than you're hearing from Pete Hegseth.
The amount of destruction is far larger.
The threat of air attacks rendered some of the US bases in the region too dangerous to staff at normal levels.
Commanders moved most of the personnel from these sites out of range of Iranian fire at the start of the war.
Since the start, on February 28, seven service members have died and strikes on U.S.
facilities in the region, and more than 400 troops have suffered injuries as of late April.
Most of the wounded have returned to duty within days.
At least 12 suffered injuries that medical officials classified as serious, that according to U.S.
officials, who among others in this reporting had to speak on condition of anonymity.
So it's been difficult to get satellite imagery out of the Middle East for us, because that that's according to all the experts, the Iranian state news agencies.
So from the start of the war, though, regularly published high resolution satellite imagery has been published by the Iranians.
And it shows things that are not great.
So the post reviewed these, Jamie, and what did they find?
Well, they said that the damage at the site suggested that the US military had underestimated Iran's targeting abilities, not adapted sufficiently to modern drone warfare and left some bases under-protected.
Which, if you're watching this from afar, or you're keeping track of what's been happening there, this seems even worse than we've even been told, or we understand.
And clearly, it...
might be.
I mean, here's the thing too, information that this, that damage might be greater.
This is just another step in the erosion of public trust in, in what we're actually being told, right?
And when we are talking about real troops and real people, real injuries, real consequences,
I mean, this president is already underwater as far as what the American people think about this war, on all sides.
Democrats, Republicans, and independents.
And so then when we start hearing this...
How does this make people feel?
I mean if you voted for this administration and you
start
hearing this and you start hearing that the casualties of infrastructure, potentially people, could be worse and you didn't want a war and you voted for this president because he kept telling us that Kamala Harris was going to get you into this war and now it's his administration who has
How does that make you feel at the end of the day?
I mean, that's a legitimate question.
I do have
for
voters
eight five five seven five civic eight five five seven five two four eight four two.
How does this make you feel?
Because now this is this is why the
Washington Post just won a Pulitzer for their coverage of the war because they're doing things like this and this is what journalism is supposed to do.
So the reporters are going through these images.
They found 10 damage or destroyed structures that were not documented in the imagery released by Iran.
So the Post found 217 structures and 11 pieces of equipment that were damaged or destroyed at 15 U.S.
military sites in the region that they did not tell us about.
You know, we don't hear, we haven't heard, right?
All we're hearing is how great things are going.
All we're hearing is that we're winning.
It's over.
We're bombing them back to the Stone Age.
We're doing all this and minimizing, even when those service members were killed, those U.S.
service members, they downplayed it.
They gave the normal hand-ringing and thoughts and prayers to their families, but basically said,
This is what they sign up for and they know the risks.
And while that is true, you owe it to their memories and you owe it to their families and you owe it to us to give us accurate information.
We can take it.
The problem is we can take it, but the president cannot.
He does not want any information coming out that says we are not doing anything other than stellar, that we are an unstoppable force, that our enemies cannot hurt us at all.
Well, guess what?
We've all watched since Vietnam.
We've all watched wars on TV.
We watched the first the first invasion of Iraq on TV.
We can we understand the cost of war.
But what we don't understand is why you lie to us about it.
Because if you think in this day and age, there's always receipts and those receipts are going to come out.
And if you think you can hide from them, the only word I have for you is stupid.
Because you are you are stupid if you think we're not gonna find out somebody's always looking and you can call it a witch hunt you can call I call it monitoring the government and Keeping tabs on the people who are supposed to be leading this country
And I think if you're this administration who is obviously very concerned about what's to come in November, right?
We've talked
about their
image
Public opinion, it doesn't just follow these stories to your point, Brian.
It essentially shapes it.
It's going to influence their decisions coming over the next few months.
It is going to affect funding, not only for things, for all things, right?
I mean, this administration wants a trillion dollars to fund the military in this country.
And it also, I think this is the big one, which is why people were so concerned.
about any conflict in the Middle East, how long is the United States going to be involved in this?
So when all of this information and all of these new pieces start coming at people, it
it really is an understanding here at home of what's happening.
And it doesn't become just another headline.
It becomes, I think, more personal for people, especially as we're talking about the infrastructure and we're talking about service members.
And that is going to reflect what happens over the next few months.
For me, I guess watching this, I guess this is also what makes this GOP a little bit more dangerous going forward.
If they understand this perception and this is how things are going to shift because of what we're hearing about Iran and the economy, what lengths do they go to to make sure that the election process is harder for everybody?
The entire thing is wrapped up around power and money.
and also Donald Trump's fragile ego.
This is not the first time we've had a president during wartime who has not served.
This is the first time we have someone who actively sought deferments to get out of a war.
There's a crucial difference because when you have a president who may not have served in the military, back to something you said earlier and we've said it many times, they have the smarts to surround themselves with not only a secretary of defense who knows what they're doing, which we do not have,
They also don't fire top generals, top military officials.
They listen.
This is what makes the smartest guy in the room isn't the guy who knows everything.
The smartest guy in the room is smart enough to know what he doesn't know.
And when you don't know something, the true sign of ignorance is to act like you do and go ahead with things.
The true sign of intelligence is saying, I know a lot.
but what I don't know this guy specializes in or this woman specializes in and I'm going to listen to them because one then I'm going to look smarter because now I have the answers and I've surrounded myself with people and now it's a team that is making this decision and you know we've consulted on it we don't have that we have a guy who operates from his gut feelings and cannot keep
Any decision, he backs out of everything.
It's waiver, it's capitulate, and we have a secretary of defense who is, in my opinion, useless, a cosplayer.
He loves to talk the talk.
He would not send his children into this conflict.
He would not send himself into this conflict.
But he's more than willing to send your kids into this conflict.
with no guarantee there's never a guarantee when you go to war but at least you have a reason at least you have some sort of blueprint it's not there it's just not and this is it's getting getting worse and worse and this kind of evidence that now they're outright lying to us about how much damage
It's par for the course, but that doesn't mean we have to accept
it.
The sad part is is I'm not surprised and you're right We should
accept it, but I'm
not surprised.
I just based on what we've seen over the last couple of months in other headlines for Stuff you need to know this morning because it just gets better and better a suicide note purportedly left behind in his jail cell by the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein before his first attempt to kill himself said quote it is a treat to be
able to choose one time, one's time to say goodbye.
Now Epstein's former cellmate who is a convicted quadruple murderer
claimed that he found this note tucked into a book just a few days after Epstein's first suicide attempt, which was back in July of 2019.
At the time Epstein denied being suicidal and told the psychologist, I have no interest in killing myself.
Well, a federal judge ordered that note unsealed yesterday giving the public and investigators their first look at this purported suicide note.
It's a cryptic one page handwritten note, and it offered a few new details about Epstein's motivations, or at least what we assume are motivations, and there is no confirmation that Epstein himself actually authored this.
Now the
note says, quote, they investigated me for a month, found nothing.
What you want me to do?
Burst out crying?
The note continued all in caps, no fun, not worth it.
One line in the seven line note is unclear because one word is indecipherable now Epstein is a lot of us know died in jail while awaiting trial on August 10th of 2019 his death was ruled a suicide by hanging by the New York Medical Examiner's office and the Justice Department concurred with that finding and again will remind everybody though that Justice Department at the time was under under Donald Trump's jurisdiction led by Bill Barr at the time
of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide.
So what we're suing is alleged, what we've been told is alleged.
So or it was a suicide.
So we're going to say it was a suicide.
But I know there's been a lot of mystery and a lot of people questioning this particular death.
And a lot of, let's say it together, kids, coincidences.
coincidences the camera went out the guards were both looking at a motorcycle magazine shopping for motorcycles now an alleged note by a four-time murderer that was found in a book it's boy oh boy that's a lot of coincidences again yeah a lot of and if you if you if you if you keep following the chain you go wow
That's a lot of coincidences.
He killed himself.
He's an alleged sex trafficker, pedophile.
Okay, well, are we any worse off?
No, but the company he kept to put it past all these alleged powerful people who were named in this list, like the president, to maybe not want the guy who ran the whole thing to have leverage over them.
or to actually speak under trial, under oath?
I mean, you know.
Well, sure.
That's, again.
But it
goes back to the same conversation.
No clarity, no consistency, no confidence in the process.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, that's a theme.
That's the stuff you need to know.
Hey, hey, this is more news, not good.
Justice Department can keep the election ballots from Georgia.
Why, huh?
We'll talk about it after this daybreak on the Civic Media Network.
All facts, no fiction.
It's Daybreak with Brian and JB.
It's 822 right now.
Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
We always appreciate it.
Hopefully you are having a great start to your Thursday, enjoying a little sunshine where you're at in wherever you're at, I should say, in this part of the state.
Where are you at?
I don't know, but- New
phone, who this?
Right, exactly.
But you know, it's nice and sunny here in Madison this morning.
I know that there are other parts of the state that might have a little bit more cloud.
It's hard when we cover an entire state.
It is.
It is, because I don't know what it's like everywhere in the state.
I know what it's like in my local area, but I can't talk about what it's like in the entire state.
But I digress.
Well, sooner or later we'll have people all over the state.
We
will.
And you know, you can, listen,
If we're here in Madison or wherever, you know, I'm in a bunker somewhere.
That's that's no secret.
But
if you're undisclosed, for good reason, Parker.
I'm a marked man.
But
anyway, like if something crazy ever happens and you're like, why aren't they talking about the fact that an alien ship just landed in Eau Claire, feel free to let us know.
Right,
please do.
Text us and call us.
Please do.
Let us know.
Let us know if something crazy is happening in the Northwoods.
8-5-5-7-5-Civic.
If you've calfeared a Sasquatch, if there's been, if you have...
All kind of stuff so eight five five seven five civic eight five five seven five two four eight four two Is how you can always call in a call in a news tip during the show.
We love put on
our press fedoras.
Yes Parker Parker will be the gatekeeper for that news again.
Oh, yeah, I just heard that you wanted us to tell you if an alien landed
right?
You have any photographic proof anything like that
photos or
happened just saying photos video or it didn't happen plus then we want to write a story about it and put it on our website so there's that part of it too
well Jamie you know what did happen the 2020 election yeah and you know six years ago
The there was a lot of talk about a perfect call into Georgia.
I don't know if you remember.
I remember that
president.
Oh, the president called down to Fulton County, called down to the Georgia AG and the governor.
And he's like, I need you to find me.
I think it was 1100 votes, 11,000 votes.
There are a number of votes.
Well, they didn't find those votes.
And Donald Trump lost the state of Georgia.
And he lost the election of 2020.
And
Boy, he can't let it go.
He hasn't let it go.
And so you remember, in February, they went down there, the FBI, and they seized a bunch of records from Fulton County, all the election results.
Despite the fact that that election has been recounted three times, one of those three times by hand, they counted every ballot.
Not enough.
So...
They seized those ballots and now a U.S.
district judge decided that the government doesn't have to return those ballots from Georgia's Fulton County because, well...
He doesn't.
Judge J.P.
Bouli, he decided this, the decision came after lawyers for the county had argued that the ballots and other election materials, as well as any electronic copies that the Justice Department has, should be returned because the seizure was improper and unconstitutional.
Now those are serious allegations.
Not to the judge.
The judge and the...
Justice Department said they're investigating irregularities that occurred during the 2020 election in the county.
There
are none.
As far as we know, there are none.
It's been proven over and over and over in multiple court cases and by all of these counts as you mentioned.
So here we are.
I mean,
yeah.
And that should worry everybody because if they can if they can seize and keep these records when
There is absolutely zero proof.
And now this is probably the third or fourth time we've said it in the last three minutes.
Everybody's, everybody's investigated this.
They've recounted, they've recounted, they've recounted.
If all of a sudden, and I wouldn't put this past them, and this is me once again, just thinking out loud.
This
is not, this is not a fact of the case.
But would you put it past anybody to find, suddenly find those?
No.
No.
If they keep all these records, how can now Fulton County prove them wrong because they don't have the records anymore?
Right.
So it's not
outside the realm of possibility, right?
Would it surprise you to know that this judge was appointed by Donald Trump to the court in August of 2018?
I would have been
surprised if he hadn't.
I figured that was the answer.
But yes, he was.
There is
absolutely no shot.
There's nothing really anymore that completely shocks me.
But you telling me that this was a Trump-appointed judge?
Yes.
I shrugged that off like a leaf landed on my shoulder.
He was appointed by the president during the first administration back in 2018.
I mean, this is obviously going to get appealed.
It's going to go through the appeals process.
It depends on what appeals court, because there are some that are much more conservative in this country than others.
But I think this is not the end of this.
And this is not the last time we're going to hear of this.
And obviously, this was an appeals court.
This was a judge who was appointed by the president in Georgia.
Judges are supposed to be partial in all cases.
We've seen in the past especially judges appointed by this administration That's not always the case and and to the point where we have to applaud the ones that are right like we actually applaud it We're like, yes, they did the right thing.
You
did the bare minimum.
Congratulations.
I'm not being complete.
Which is your job.
Look at you.
That's amazing.
I like
Yeah, look at you.
Oh, let us give you a little pat on the head.
You're such a good little judge.
Such a good judge.
Well, Bob Pitts, who is the Fulton County Board of Commissioners, said that they strongly disagree.
with the judge's denial of the county's request to return the election records.
And Bob came out and said, we will continue as always to stand by our election workers and the voters of Fulton County.
We intend to vigorously pursue all available legal options, including maybe finding a judge that is not in the pocket allegedly of the administration.
It's an erosion of.
the norms.
It's an erosion of trust in the process because they do not want anyone actually going out to vote because when we do, it doesn't turn out well for them.
Always.
Sometimes.
Not always.
Most of the time.
Democratic gubernatorial candidate David Crowley joins us on the other side.
So don't miss that.
I'm Brian Noonan.
This is Daybreak.
I'm Jamie Martenson.
It's 829 right now.
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you
Now back to more of Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.
Good morning.
Thank you so much for joining us today on the Civic Media Network.
It is 8.35 right now.
My name is Jamie Martinson.
And good morning.
I'm Brian Noonan.
In May of 2020, David Crowley became the youngest county executive in the history of Milwaukee County and the first black leader elected to serve in that role.
Then on April 2nd, 2024, county executive Crowley was re-elected to a second term with 85% of the vote.
Well, now he's running for governor and a crowded
Democratic field on a platform of what he calls Badger Basics.
David Crowley joins us now to share some details of his plans.
Mr. Crowley, thank you for being here.
We appreciate it.
For people outside of Milwaukee County who are just getting to know you during the campaign, give us a Cliff Notes version of who David Crowley is and why you're running for governor.
Absolutely.
First and foremost, thank you for allowing me to join both of you, Brian and Jamie.
I'm really glad to be here.
But just to give folks a quick background, David Crowley, I am a husband.
I always have to give my better three quarters a shout out.
I am a girl dad times three.
You know, we call them the A-Squad, Alyssa, Ava, and Autumn.
And I've been serving as the county executive for the past six years, but I also spent seven years in the state capital as a staffer and as a state representative and whisk-o-boy through and through, but also have my share of challenges, right?
I was evicted three times before graduating high school.
Every single year for at least 15 years, we moved
And if it wasn't for our public education system, as well as AmeriCorps and youth development organization, I wouldn't be standing in front of you today.
So it's been an opportunity and a great opportunity to serve the residents here within Milwaukee County and looking forward to serving the entire state of Wisconsin.
So let's take that experience of growing up in Milwaukee and talk about the Badger Basics because it essentially focuses on affordability, care, opportunity.
And when people hear that, it sounds like this broad plan, right?
So what are some of the concrete changes that you would deliver so that families actually feel a difference with life in Wisconsin?
Well, I think it's important that when you have an elected leader that they also understand the issues on the ground.
And I think about my background, my experience.
It's about how do we create a much better foundation for families?
And if folks are going to say this is too much, then we haven't been doing enough for families at all here in the state of Wisconsin.
And so this is really about how do we become a healthy community?
And health isn't just your mental and physical health.
Health is more money in your pocket.
Health is having an affordable roof over your head.
Health is having access to public transit, to public education, to health care, childcare.
And so we want to make sure that we're bringing that foundation across the entire state so that when the tide rise, the boat rise for every single community member.
Now, again, one of the platforms is affordability.
And one of the things you've worked hard on in Milwaukee County is safe and affordable housing.
Outside of Milwaukee County, how do you see that as Wisconsin as a whole?
And how do you see it coming to fruition if you are in fact elected governor?
Well, what's unique in my current position is that, you know, we've been able to build affordable housing all across Milwaukee County.
What's unique is that it's all happening in suburban communities, communities that never had these types of projects before.
And that's because we all should understand that affordable housing, attainable housing isn't just needed in.
urban centers.
It's leading in suburban communities and rural communities, not just in Wisconsin, but let's face it, across the entire country right now, especially with the rise of housing prices and rents.
And so in order to do this across the entire state, one, we need to make sure that we are right sizing the solutions to fit each community's needs.
There is not a one size fits all for the state of Wisconsin.
And so working with local municipalities to create more zoning flexibility or more accessible dwelling units to have that level of density, but also making sure that their resources available, you know, first time homebuyer assistance for individuals.
And it's really working with the Wisconsin Housing Economic Development Authority and leveraging those dollars at the state level, as well as at the federal level and working with those local municipalities to create more opportunities.
This can help with our aging.
population.
This can help with many of our students who have left their communities to go to school and looking to move back to be closer to their family.
And so this is a real opportunity for us to focus on making sure that it's not just affordable attainable because there are individuals who can afford to buy a home, yet there's not enough supply in communities where they are looking to actually live.
We're talking with David Crawley this morning.
He is currently the Milwaukee County Executive.
He's also a Democratic gubernatorial candidate.
You can check out more about Badger Basics over at crawley4wi.com.
Now, as far as talking about affordability, energy costs, and we were talking about this prior to the show, if anybody
was
listening on the stream, you have asked, you're asking large users like these data centers that we're hearing so much about across the state to pay for the grid upgrades.
What does that look like in practice, Mr. Crawley?
And how do we actually ensure that everyday folks don't end up covering some of these costs anyway?
Well, we should all one be frustrated that the Wisconsin State Legislature literally left session without actually putting a framework in place right to protect not just people but to protect our natural resources protect our water our land and making sure that there's a framework but in reality one we just recently seen that there was a PSC rate case with we energies saying that they're going to pay 100% of the tariff right and so you know if they want to be here they have to actually negotiate with us and so if we're going to
have a framework.
It should be the most strict framework that we have in the entire country.
Not just 100% of the energy uses, but the upgrades to the infrastructure, the upgrades to the grid, but more importantly,
bringing on more clean energy infrastructure.
The best energy is the energy that we don't have to pay for.
And that comes from solar.
It also comes from wind.
And so we want to see how we can leverage this to actually stabilize and make sure that our energy is reliable for every single user across the state of Wisconsin.
But if they're they also going to pay us pay into focus on energy, which we all pay into to bring on more clean energy infrastructure.
Well, if there is an excess of dollars there, I truly believe
believe that we should be using that to pay down the rates of every single utility rate payer here in the states, because the community benefits shouldn't just be in the communities that these data centers are in.
It should be a community benefit for every single municipality in Wisconsin.
David, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about this.
There
was a lot of news last week about a memo that was leaked reportedly from the Tom Tiffany campaign.
It was referencing one of your opponents in the race.
How do you react to that whole story?
Do we lose audio?
Do we
have you still Mr. Crawley?
Can you hear me?
We can hear you.
I couldn't hear you, Brian.
Okay, so last week there was a big big news story about this report this memo that was reportedly leaked from the Tiffany campaign.
It was about one of your opponents.
How do you react to that whole?
that whole thing.
I'm sorry, I'm having bad connection issues.
Oh, no worries.
Can
you hear us at
all?
Can you hear us now?
Yes, no.
Oh,
bring up the memo and
big technology.
It's a big technology taking us out.
Parker, why don't you?
Oh, we're coming.
Are you back?
No take take mr. Crawley off see if you can see if you can get him fixed up David Crawley is our guest Crawley for wi.com weird coincidence
Jamie
I don't believe in coincidence as you know this and it wasn't even it's not it wasn't you know no gotcha I do have I do have the weird question ready
You
do have the weird question, okay.
All right, all right.
The things that sometimes you don't know about your elected officials.
The human question that they have no idea.
Because, you know, we also have to.
Again, not a gotcha, just
a fun little thing.
We always have to remember our elected officials are also human, so it's fun to find that human side of them once in a while as
well.
He is a girl dad.
He is a
little update.
What's going on, buddy?
Looks like he just hopped out of the studio.
I'm trying to get him connected with our phone line.
All right.
All right.
Well, we
will be
great.
It will keep padding.
We will.
But
yes, it's it is like as I looked at David Crowley's website
and I
looked at his plan, it all seems.
based on what we talk about all the time, and I'm sure a lot of the candidates are going to talk to the people about the issues that mattered to them the most.
I think we have David Crawley back.
Can you hear us now, sir?
No?
No, no
audio.
All right, I am back with a saloon chopper.
Okay, all
right, all right,
it's
all right.
We'll make it
work.
I'm going to try this question again, because I think someone is conspiring against us to get this answer.
The memo that was released reportedly from Tom Tiffany's campaign about one of your opponents.
How do you react to that whole story?
What was the story?
I'm sorry.
The story about
the memo about Francesca Hong, that Tom Tiffany's the alleged leak from from that office.
How did you respond to that?
What were your feelings about it when you started hearing this story?
I mean the way that I respond to that I think is that you know every candidate is going to do everything that they can to focus on who they want to be able to run after but also you know they have
always been focused on different types of candidates.
They've attacked me in different types of ways.
They've attacked other candidates in many different types of ways.
But my focus is really running my campaign.
This is about how we talk to voters all across the state of Wisconsin.
Not just about the promises that we want to deliver for them, but it's also about making sure that we can actually do the work.
And when I think about
me being in this race is about focusing on the results that we have delivered for every single community.
And David, along those lines, this is a really crowded primary, right, for on the Democratic side.
Tom Tiffany, obviously, been the front runner for the Republicans for a while now.
And with so many undecided voters, I'm going to assume that it's going to be more crossing the state, talking to more people.
But how do you really reach out to those undecided voters right now as the audience?
primary approaches?
Well, I mean, as you pointed out, the only person leading in the polls are undecided voters.
And we have to go and really reach and talk to people.
It's not, you know, when people say, you know, I want to be there for it's not just about physically being there.
It's about making sure that people actually have a seat at the table to lend their voices to the solution is going to work for their communities.
I've always been told, especially as an organizer that if you're not at the table,
than you're on the menu.
And there are many communities all across the state of Wisconsin that feel like they've been dictated to versus giving them a seat to be able to talk about the issues that are directly impacting them.
And so the way that we do this is, you know, I still have my day job running Milwaukee County, but we are crisscrossing all over the state, taking the scenic route to talk to as many people as possible, doing different town halls, talking to different party members.
And quite frankly,
You know, the message is absolutely catching fire.
And as we talk and engage with more voters, more and more people are paying attention to the Crowley campaign.
And if you want to learn more about David Crowley's campaign, the Badger Basics and all the rest, it's crawleyforwisconsin.com.
All right, David, before we let you go, we got about a minute left.
A question that came up on the show yesterday, not political at all, or is it, what's your most hated sports franchise?
My most
your most hated sports franchise.
Who do you
say my
most what hated sports franchise?
My most hated sports franchise.
Well, you know, I am I am a packer and so
I can't stay in the Chicago
Bears.
All right, fair enough.
That answer came up a lot yesterday
on the show.
Thank
you for being honest.
No hard feelings.
David Crowley is a Kirk Milwaukee County executive.
He is running for governor of the state of Wisconsin on the Democratic ticket.
Go to crowley4wi.com to get all his information.
David, thanks for joining us this morning.
Have a great rest of your day.
Lake Superior to Lake Michigan.
This is Wisconsin's morning conversation.
Daybreak with Brian and
Jamie.
It's 8.52 right now.
Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
We do appreciate it.
That's a great song, Parker.
Nicely done.
I feel like a dolphin when I hear this.
It was surf music.
I feel like, why does it make you feel like a dolphin?
Do I want to know?
Yeah, you do.
It gives dolphin vibes.
If you don't, I do.
OK,
all right.
I feel like I'm jumping out of the waves.
There you
go.
There you
go.
Really?
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
Nice tie-in.
I always feel like I'm in Pulp Fiction.
There you
go.
That's true.
It's a good song.
That's a good point as
well.
It's a good song.
So here's the question.
Are military dolphins working in the Strait of Hormuz?
There was a movie back in the day about...
bombs being strapped to dolphins and stuff is so it's not far-fetched and the answer is well probably not but the US Navy has been using dolphins uh we've enlisted flipper he also doesn't have an exit strategy for this war but we've been using them for decades so the uh
The yesterday our Secretary of Defense, Whiskey Pete Hankseth, was asked whether Iran might turn to dolphins to help confront the U.S.
Navy.
Now I don't know if dolphins have nationalities.
I don't know if dolphins would be loyal to Iran over the U.S.
I don't know anything about that, but according to... According to Whiskey Pete, he said he could confirm
that Iran did not have dolphins.
Oh, this is the most serious administration ever.
How do you confirm that they don't have dolphins to deploy as part of the operations?
He said he wouldn't either confirm nor deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins.
This is true, folks.
I wish I was making this
up.
Because I'd sell this script and it would be
great.
like something that should be on the front page of the inquirer.
Like, does it not?
Like,
Pete Hegseth cannot confirm or deny the existence of kamikaze dolphins.
What it feels like.
This is a real
story, though.
We're having a real conversation this morning, which I don't know.
Maybe that should scare me even more.
I'm not sure.
But
no, you should be.
This is from CNN.
So depending on your frame of reference, a reputable news source, RIP Ted Turner.
But yeah.
So, first of all, could we just say, if we don't have kamikaze dolphins, are you really tipping your hand in military strategy to go, no, of course we don't have kamikaze dolphins.
We have sniper gorillas, but we do not have kamikaze dolphins.
One source familiar with U.S.
operations in the Strait of Hormuz told CNN that the U.S.
military is not using dolphins as part of its efforts on the Strait, but they are cute as hell.
No, wait, that was me editorializing.
The U.S.
Navy does, in fact, have a decades-old program to train dolphins to help detect mines.
It's called the Marine Mammal Program.
It's part of the Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance Department within Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific.
Which I think is fascinating.
I
think that part is
fascinating.
What I love about this is that the department though
It had to be made clear that these dolphins are not actually kamikaze dolphins, in that they do not sacrifice their lives to go out and detonate mines.
Instead, they're focused on detection.
They had to make this clear after Pete Higseth's comments yesterday, and they
had to make sure that
this was put out in an official release that they are not kamikaze dolphins.
We're not strapping a bomb vest.
to flipper, and after he comes up and jumps through the hoop, and does a couple of flips, and splashes down, and he detonates.
And he talks
in exolocation, and
oh,
no, we're not actually, we're not.
What I also love is that a senior engineer at Rand, who previously worked in the now decommissioned US Navy mine warfare command, told CNN this quote,
porpoises on the other hand we will sacrifice all the porpoises dolphins no porpoises because porpoises let's be honest more streamlined more in keeping with a torpedo so you could shoot a porpoise out of a uh out of a warship with a bomb and it would go here and then boom and the great thing about porpoise bombs they flip right up onto the deck so they do the optimal amount of damage when you shoot them at an enemy
Does it make you feel better though?
And
I
know the answer to this.
Does it make you feel better, though, that we have to put out an official statement on kamikaze dolphins?
Because our Department of Defense, our Secretary of the Department of Defense says that we for sure have kamikaze dolphins.
Does it make
you feel better?
Well, he won't confirm nor, he will neither confirm nor deny, Jamie.
So, yeah, I'm glad we have responsible scientists.
Once again, these scientists ruining everybody's fun by saying, take a, take a vaccine.
or no, we don't strap bombs to dolphins.
And by the way, this program with dolphins has been around since 1959, and it's focused on training bottlenose dolphins and California sea lions to detect and recover objects underwater.
Now, according to the Marine Mammal Program's webpage, dolphins quote, possess the most sophisticated sonar known to science.
Well, yeah, you have to find your way around underwater
and you use
echolocation to do so.
That's pretty, that's pretty kick butt.
Let's be honest.
And underwater drones, this is also on the page, are no match for the animals' efforts to open the straight.
So that has to
be put
right on the home page.
No matter how much cloak and dagger intrigue the Secretary of Defense wants to add to this question, not confirming or denying the existence of kamikaze dolphins, we do not have them.
Sometimes things are just cool and they are what they are.
Yeah, they're just out there.
They can be looking, but they're not using them now.
That's the thing.
And Iranian dolphins are the same as US dolphins or any dolphin.
They're just out there.
I've been lucky enough to be on a boat when a pot of dolphin is swimming next to the boat.
It is the coolest thing in the
world.
Very cool.
All right, listen, on that note, I am going to go work on a kamikaze dolphin program, so I cannot stay here and talk to you any longer.
Your undercover operation.
The show is over.
I am done.
Thank you for listening.
Thanks for being part of the show.
It's daybreak.
I'm Brian Noonan.
I'm Jamie Martinsen.
Thank you so much.
Have a wonderful Thursday.
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