Mondays with Matenaer – The Political Tribal Council (Hour 1)

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app,

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zammerz, our producer and engineer.

It is Monday, October 27th, 2025.

It is a great day to be in Wisconsinite.

Welcome, everybody, to the World Headquarters of Civic Media in downtown Madison.

Happy Monday.

Back to work and back to school.

Nice to hear and see everybody.

Zammerz, how the heck are you?

Doing well glad to have you here and seem to be doing better at least then last week

I Apologize again my voice is not back in full form Although I arrested it for a lot of the weekend.

It sounds better does it all right?

Well, it doesn't feel right, right?

You know not to go in not to make it it's not about me But I just I feel badly because I know it's difficult when people have to listen to somebody whose voice is not You know tuned up

as they say.

So I'm still dealing with this salivary gland stone.

Yes, you can get stones in your salivary glands.

I'm off the claritin because the antihistamine dried things up too much.

So I might be having a little bit of allergies as well, I'm not sure.

But I will tell you, the lump in my neck is severely gone down.

So I'm not sure if it was the antibiotic.

I got a couple of those left or what, but now they've elevated me.

I have a I'm trying.

I'm working things out.

I have to go see my ear, nose and throat doctor to get imaging.

So once again, we're going to check to see if there's anything in Todd's head, which a lot of people know.

No, no, there is nothing there.

Well, but you get some proof either

way.

Either way, I'll get some proof.

Trump got a little image he'd done as well or so he claimed over the weekend.

We'll talk a little bit about that.

Shake up at CBS.

Gonna bring you the latest on that breaking this afternoon.

Also, Scott McFarland with an update speaking of CBS on the shutdown continues out in Washington DC.

Snap benefits for many Wisconsinites will end at the end of this week unless something is done.

Donald Trump congratulating Argentina again over the weekend.

And at the bottom of this hour, I cannot wait.

This is the great thing about Mondays with Matt Nair is no matter how your weekend went, no matter how much you might be a little down to the dumps that it's Monday, it's brighter because of Jane Matt Nair.

She'll join us at 235, the host of Matt Nair on air with her co-host Greg Bach every morning from nine until 11.

That's gonna be fun.

Absolutely.

It's always an amazing time

talking with Jane.

It is.

By the way, pardon me, by the way, of those watching the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, any time you see me, your radio and streaming host, take a drink.

It's a lovely time for you, the listening and viewing audience, to enjoy beverage as well.

Stay

hydrated,

folks.

Stay hydrated.

Hydrate or diedrate.

Here's how much I keep track of this.

If you want to know...

You say, Todd, well, you just say that you listen to Matt Aaron air.

No, no, no, no.

I have proof now in the company chat.

Here's how out of it.

Well, A, how dedicated a listener I am to Matt air and B, how out of a Saturday, I just felt completely out of it.

I thought I rarely sleep in of them.

I never pull my blinds, but I'm like, oh, I'll pull my blinds.

I'll try to get some extra sleep on Sunday morning.

And I slept like eight 15.

I'm like, that's pretty good for me.

And I, well, maybe I'll lay there for a while, lay there another 20 minutes, half an hour, but I gotta get up.

So I got up, put the water on and make myself a Chemex pour over with Wonder State coffee, which I happen to be wearing there.

These are great t-shirts, by the way, this shirt I have on.

And so nine o'clock comes, nine o' six.

And I thought, well, I'll dial up Jane and Greg of the old Civic Media app.

If you don't have it, download it here for free.

to your Apple or iPhone device.

So I loaded up the Civic Media app and there's some kind of music playing.

I'm like, well, maybe things got messed up.

And so I went to the next station or the next, I'm like, this is playing on every station.

What's going on?

So I put into the general chat of the company for all to see.

I put out a SOS.

Why can't I hear Matt Nair and air?

And then I realized it was Sunday.

And so I put in the general chat and it's also Sunday So as it turns out Matt Nairnair does not play on Sunday, but you can hear every day from 9 until 11 Monday through Friday Monday through Friday as it turns out So there's that also over the weekend Badger football I'll give them this first half they competed

And the defense did look better, right?

The defense did look better.

Half number one for the Badgers.

Half number two, Oregon just, my youngest godson, Jason was there.

He lives out in Seattle.

He and the boys drove down to Eugene.

He said the weather was miserable.

He said it was kind of an equalizing factor.

They got turf out there in Eugene, Oregon.

But Badgers came up short once again.

They're gonna win this week.

because it's a bi-week.

They're off this week, the Badgers.

But how about last night's bombers?

There you go.

Go Pat, go!

Go Pat, go!

That's right.

The Green Bay Packers went down to Steelers territory.

Pittsburgh Steelers last night, taking on their former quarterback, Aaron Rodgers.

And the first quarter or so, when I got nervous is they brought back George Mason or whatever his name is, the kicker.

From his, and he missed the first one, he missed

the

second.

It was terrible.

I thought, and I tweeted out, I said, Packers, what are you doing?

Bring back Haversick.

I want the teacher kicking.

Kick the longest field goal in Packer history last week or week before, whatever it was.

But the Packers got things rearranged got things going and the Packers got a big win 35 to 25 last night against A-Rod and the Steelers Packers now five one-on-one Steelers dropped to four and three and Here was Aaron Rodgers last night on the loss

I feel like we had some discipline issues and some penalties that run necessary and then you're not gonna win a lot of games when we're

So bad on third down.

You're playing good teams.

You need to score touchdowns.

And we just stalled out in the high red zone.

Aaron Rodgers last night.

Pretty matter of fact about the loss, as a matter of fact.

After that.

Rogers was asked by, by the way, our own Mike Clemens, the best sports reporter in the land was in Pittsburgh last night to bring us these cuts.

Always appreciate when Mike Clemens does that for us.

Rogers was asked by Clemens and the press gaggle about the fact that there were a lot of Packer fans last night at the stadium in Pittsburgh and you could hear the chants, go Pack, go.

Here was Rogers reaction.

I've heard that chant for 18 years, so.

Packer fans travel really well.

First time in a while, I've used Silent Count for a home game.

That's a credit to those Packer fans.

You know what?

I'll give Rodgers this.

I actually thought he was very gracious and very mature this entire last week.

He said, nothing but good things that I heard about the Green Bay organ.

He said, look, I started there.

At some point, I'm going to retire there.

And everybody knows it's going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

He clearly wants to retire as a packer.

And so no matter what you think about Air Rogers, I thought it was a class act.

Yeah, I have to agree.

It also was, aside from hearing, go-pack-go at a non-home game.

It was really weird hearing Aaron Rodgers voice just

like 318.

That was a

horrible impression.

But it was not bad.

Not bad.

Yeah, the green green at 19.

You heard a little bit of that last night.

So yeah, it was weird.

It was weird seeing them in those throwback outfits or uniforms from from Pittsburgh last night.

I like the all white last night.

I really like the all white of the pack.

It looks good.

It looks sharp.

One more cut our own Jordan Love.

Current Packers quarterback last night on the win.

You know, when we came in the locker room at halftime, you know, the message was that we just weren't finishing.

We weren't executing our plays and weren't locked in on doing that.

Everybody's 111.

So, you know, there's plays be made.

And I think we just weren't we're ex you nose and we're able to stay on the field.

So, you know, I think the first half when we were by really fast for us as an offense, we had one scoring drive.

And so I think the message is just do your job, lock in and ex you plays and stay on the field.

And we did that.

They

sure did.

Packers got it done again final score.

You heard it on many of our Packer radio networks across civic media Packers 35 Pittsburgh 25 Packers now five one and one and You know looking pretty good.

They play next on November 2nd at 12 noon at home at Lambeau Against the Carolina Panthers.

So there you go.

Congrats pack great great weekend to be a Packer fan

We'll get to Luke Fickle maybe a little bit later in the broadcast.

By the way, I was hoping their own, uh, Jacquela Rivera, our HR, uh, person, director would be here today.

She's not, she's not in her office.

And so let me start a rumor on statewide radio.

My feeling is Jacqueline is not at her desk today because she has been tabbed by her alma mater, LSU, to lead the, the search.

and screen committee to find a new head coach for the LSU Tigers.

LSU who got pounded at home at night at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge by Texas A&M on Saturday.

And by late last about the time the Packers started playing last night, in a surprise to some announcement, LSU announced they're going to buy out the remaining six-ish years.

of Brian Kelly's contract to LSU over $50 million, close to $55 million.

They're trying to negotiate with him, but boy, that's probably a bad way to do it, fire him, and then negotiate the settlement.

And of course, Jacqueline is very proud.

She's been on this program before.

Proud LSU alum, no fan of Brian.

I'm sure maybe she's celebrating today, Jacqueline.

But she is a human resource director, human resource director.

And so it would not surprise me that she offers her services up to find a new head coach in Bat Roots.

Very possible.

And especially, I don't think there's ever a day that you cannot spot

the white and purple and gold

somewhere.

Even if it's just earrings, there's always something.

And very often it's the entire outfit, shoes included, it's everything.

It's just some people it's not a shock that Brian Kelly was let go.

But I mean, again, these Penn State pays out over 50 million, 51 million to get rid of James Franklin at Penn State.

And now what, two, three weeks later, LSU.

Is it a position where they got to pay Brian Kelly 55 million to do nothing?

I mean he still technically has to like try to find a job or like be sending out resumes or whatever But anything and he he could get hired like he could get hired Brian Kelly to be an analyst at ESPN for a hundred grand a year And they would have to make up the remainder of that 10 million ish a year

which

uh

That's a little bit of money.

It's a little bit of money.

And it brings up an interesting question, which is Luke Fickle's team now is going on a year and a half not winning a big 10 game for Wisconsin.

It's questionable whether they'll win another game all year.

They have two wins so far.

And I think a lot of people are, are wondering now because Luke Fickle was brought in by Chris McIntosh, the AD.

Athletics right for Wisconsin to make the splash to compete for national championship They read in camp Randall put it heat and turf so they could host playoff games or the 12 playoff teams and So far it's been a bust So if you say you're gonna play Why haven't you fired fickle yet the answer might be they can't afford it?

So fickle is gambled, not like NBA gambling, but Macintosh is gambled and so far come up snake eyes.

We'll come back, talk about the government shut down in Washington and how it affects Wisconsin after this on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Wherever it they lead and having fun doing it welcome back to the title ball show for a Monday on the Civic Media Ready Network October 27th 2025 Aaron Zomers on the board always glad to have him there glad to have you along to Start another work week.

It is Halloween week Zomers We you're not a huge Halloween guy, are you?

No Well, especially because as a kid I was never really allowed to participate got it

Religious

reasons and stuff, but

then in more recent years It's been pretty fun to try and figure out a costume and you know just hang out with friends

We've never really done a Halloween show per se on this show But I'm thinking this year because I came up with a great idea for a costume so

We'll think of that.

We'll meet offstage after the show.

A little bit later, we're gonna be talking about, because Mom is getting, I was back in the RC this weekend, saw our friend Phil Knee, W-R-C-O, talk about that a little bit later on in the show.

Mom's getting ready for Halloween.

And God love her, she's not going El Chippo.

She's got, you know, like Reese's peanut butter cups and Snickers.

And so she has about a hundred and seventy one pieces of candy.

She has done the candy count.

And so I encourage Brady and Brandon Ewing to get the kids over there early to get to get a good supply.

Anyway,

while the iron's

hot, that's right.

A little bit later, Americans plan to spend an average of two hundred ninety six dollars for a Halloween this year.

Wait, really?

Really?

I'll break it down for you a little bit later in the show.

Wow.

We'll kick Halloween week off with that.

Jane McNair gonna be coming up after the bottom of the hour break.

Always great to start on Mondays with Jane McNair.

All right.

This from CBS's Scott McFarland, one of the best Washington reporters out there.

He put this out this morning.

I think it's a good little synopsis as we start another week of the government shutdown here.

in Washington DC, explaining part of the implications here at Scott McFarland.

Hey, good morning.

It's Scott McFarland.

It's Monday.

I can tell you two things for sure.

That weekend went by too quickly.

And I was up way too late watching the Steelers and Packers.

But we're back at it now, at least most of us.

are back at it now.

Yet again, the U.S.

House is out of session this week.

They have called it off for another week amid this shutdown.

And no matter who you think is responsible for that, if one side is more responsible than the other, it's pretty clear this is having a dramatic impact on people who are there to protect and serve as part of the government each day.

The lawmakers still get paid.

Some will

try to voluntarily surrender their paychecks, but the paychecks keep coming.

But for the police who keep those lawmakers alive, they're on the job, they're essential, and their union is saying that they're facing hardships because they're not getting paid.

This is the statement issued to me by the head of the Capitol Police Union representing some of the roughly 2,000 employees of the U.S.

Capitol Police.

His quote is, my officers are frustrated right now.

This is the second pay period where they will not be paid and they're feeling the financial pressure.

I have officers who are taking out loans to pay the rent and feed their families.

I have officers who are borrowing money from family members to make their car payments, pay for daycare or their student loans.

He calls it extremely frustrating that neither side is talking to the other.

This is the representative of the Capitol Police who saved the Capitol on January 6th and who

protect members of Congress in this highly super-fueled threat environment each day.

And it's not just Capitol Police.

Spoke over the weekend with the head of the union representing many federal bureau prisons workers, including the correctional officers and the support staff inside federal prisons who have to help augment the correctional officers as needed.

Some are getting paid, she says.

Some are not.

That is going to lead to turnover in a place where they don't need any turnover inside federal prisons.

It's also leading to some true frustration with what's happening here.

You have people who are there to try to save lives and protect safety and not getting paid.

It's a concern they won't stay on that job for long, if so.

There's a concern that perhaps in Washington

There's still a little too

toned after this.

Scott McFarlane, CBS News, posting this morning.

I love this reporting because it's very doubt you can understand it.

And this is a guy that I don't know what he sleeps.

I watch a lot of network news.

He's doing the morning shows, CBS Mornings.

He's on the evening news.

He's doing the streaming stuff.

He's going to all of these, not all, but several of the January 6th.

hearings still continue on the court cases.

He follows the courts.

He follows Congress.

And he makes the great point that our law enforcement are being hurt by this shutdown.

Here in Wisconsin, think about friends and family that are in the military, work in federal prisons, other federal jobs.

These folks are being impacted in Wisconsin because

The party that controls both houses of the Congress, the presidency, and for all intent and purposes, the Supreme Court doesn't want to open it up.

That's the bottom line.

They're in charge.

When you're in charge, you're responsible.

By the way, we didn't get to this last week.

From the New York Times, Timothy Mellon, a banking heir, is said to be the anonymous donor.

who gave 130 million, let me say that number again, 130 million to the US government to help pay troops during the shutdown.

Works out 130 million donation would equal about $100 per service member.

So a couple of things, this is your time story.

A, it's 130 bucks for each service member, doesn't do a whole lot when you're trying to pay rent, car loans, childcare.

All the things that us civilians do our military is trying to do as well as well as put their lives on the line and Then you have a private person Giving Trump money to pay the military military supposed to be working for the American people not for Donald Trump and here in Wisconsin and snap benefits ie food stamps or will run out of money after Friday certainly a trick for Halloween

State Republicans and the legislatures say no, they're not going to use our $4 billion surplus to offset that.

Certainly another trick.

Come back for a treat.

Jane McNair is going to be here talking with us about all things in survivor mode, tribalism.

Jane tells us about it.

Stay tuned now for Pam Yankee and the Farm Report.

Come on back.

Two parties, multi-millions of dollars being spent.

Who will survive, outwist, and outlast the political experiment in 250 years?

Welcome back, everybody, to the title of the show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

The unmistakable sound of the survivor theme song.

on CBS.

Well, one of my other favorite things in the world is Jane McNair.

You can hear it every morning along with Greg Bach on air Monday through Friday, as it turns out, nine until 11.

She joins us from the Greater Milwaukee area via stream yard.

Jane, how are you?

I am excellent.

It is a beautiful October day in Wisconsin.

I know, right?

It really is.

It's really nice.

It's one of my favorite times of the year.

I was out in Richland Center this weekend, got to see mom, saw our colleague Phil Knee because... Oh, cool.

The name won't mean anything to you, but one of the long time it's kind of he was kind of Lou Ragani.

Of course, Lou works for WRJN in Racine, Kenosha.

And Ray Strader was his name and he worked at WRCO for at least 50 years.

Wow.

And he had on Saturday afternoons, it was called reminiscing with Ray, big band music and the like.

He passed away last year at 90 something.

And so his lovely and talented wife, who I can say this because I work.

for them for years, put up with him for years, and she and the family.

He had this huge collection of vinyl, but also a few CDs, and they went to the local book, record shop, original and center, and they had brought a bunch of his albums, and they said, come on in, and if you want one of Ray's albums, put a dollar in for a donation, and they're gonna put

a bench in

the park with his name on it as a memorial,

and

so we got to see his lovely wife Harriet, and so Phil was there as well.

But many of my stupid comments that I say on the air, I credit to Ray.

because he would talk a lot of double-speak.

He'd say, you know, it's colder than the winter than it is in the country.

Do you walk to work or carry your lunch?

That kind of vaudeville.

The oldies but goodies,

yes.

You know, you probably remember, you used to have funeral homes, which I know you came from, your parents ran one.

They would call into the radio station and give you the obituary, and you'd have to write all this out.

Oh, so my father would do them live.

Really?

On the air?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He only has his own show, like a bituary

central.

It was obituary minute.

Depending upon what

was going on.

I'd come into the station to do my shift at Saturday night, or Saturday night, and Ray would be there and he'd say, how the hell is a guy supposed to do a record show and he got to take all these obituaries?

And I said, I said, I'm sorry.

He goes, yeah, I got the funeral home called in, but he goes, thank God it was a short one.

The guy was only five-five.

But I'm pumped.

So it was that kind of thing.

Jeff Perry are ongoing contributor to Lister who is also a alum of WRCOs as I'm beginning to feel more like what I got here than I do now.

Another great racism.

So anyway, I was in Richland Center and it was the point of the whole thing is that it's beautiful out there right now in Southwest

Wisconsin.

It's gorgeous and the colors have really got to be kicking in around Richland Center.

They

are.

They're almost kind

of.

their peak.

So for those watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twix, X, whatever you want to call it, I look ridiculous, more ridiculous than usual because I have my civic media buff on in a headband

form, a buff.

I am somewhat envious.

I have not been privy to the buffs, as it were.

And yeah, I'm kind of, you're styling it.

You're

making it work.

Even with headphones.

I look like a very old Ralph Macchio from Grotty Kid.

That's what I look like.

A balding Ralph.

Wax on, wax off.

Oh, wait a minute.

And by the way, if you're just tuning in.

The whole point of this is that I get to talk to Jane, and I really don't care what anybody else thinks.

It's just my chance to talk to Jane once a week.

So, Sunday, I told this story earlier, so I won't tell the whole thing, but...

Suddenly, I wake up late, I slept and it wasn't feeling well, and I hadn't turned anything on yet, I'm making coffee, and I'm like, oh, it's 9.05, I should see what Greg and Jane are, and there's nothing, it's like music, and then it's like something else.

And so I put in the Civic Media all chat, I don't know what's going on in the Civic Media app, but there is music playing instead of Jane and Greg.

And about three minutes later, I realize it's Sunday.

It's Sunday.

So that's the kind of Sunday that's the kind of dedicated listener I am to Matt Naranair

every morning from 9 until 11.

Well, that's lovely.

I have relations who aren't that dedicated.

I'm telling you.

I was very disturbed.

I couldn't hear you at nine o'clock.

Don't you hate it though when you wake up and it's the wrong day when I worked really early mornings?

That would happen to me on weekends and I would wake up at 4 30 in a panic.

Really?

Because I was a half an hour late to work at that point.

Yes.

Oh, the age thing is fantastic, isn't it?

It is.

So here's the deal.

I've got my we played the survivor music and I have my buff on because the whole point of the thing is I want to talk about tribalism.

because, you know, you have tribes in Survivor that work against.

And now, Jane, as you well know, we have a political tribalism.

And I thought, well, here, let's talk about a couple of things that both tribes don't want us to talk about.

So, first of all, on the Republican side, time once again for a beef update, Mr. Zommerz.

A beef

update?

An Argentinian beef update.

Oh, right.

We

really should have done a rehearsal anyway.

Yes, the Argentinian beef update.

So Jane, here you have Donald Trump on Air Force One flying somewhere around the world playing golf meeting with people.

And he decided to congratulate somebody over the weekend.

Here's Trump on Air Force

One.

All right, that's enough.

The point is...

Here he is congratulating Argentinian president on a victory.

He's putting $40 billion in to help their farmers.

And last week, of course, Jane, he keeps suggesting that he's going to bring in Argentinian beef to flood the market to bring down beef prices.

U.S.

beef producers, not so happy, Jane.

Yeah, they're not so happy, although, again, the leader of our country said just the other day that the cattlemen love him, just like the soybean farmers love him, and everyone loves him, and no, they're not happy, and there are so many problems with this.

First of all...

From what I understand and I have not looked into this a lot Argentina has a problem with hope and mouth disease in their cattle.

That is quite serious That is not good for another from what I understand cattle ranchers have finally been fighting their way back

from really bad drought conditions they had a couple of years ago in which it was far cheaper for them to send their cows to slaughter into the slaughterhouse than to continue to feed them because the droughts had been so bad.

So they took a big hit then and now they're finally gaining some ground and then he goes and undercuts our own farmers just like he has done to our soybean farmers.

And I know one of the things I love about you and Greg and Matt are on air nine to 11 Monday through Friday is that you bring on people from industries.

You bring on farmers and ag people.

We did that last Friday.

Cool thing.

David Umbihan, a former dairy and now cattle farmer in Richland County, joined us from his combine, which I thought was fantastic.

Oh, cool.

And to your point, Jane, he said, just like the farmers you bring on your show, that this is not

popular.

This is not how you help be farmers.

We're finally able to make a couple of bucks here.

And also, by the way, the trade wars are not helping us.

And also, by the way, David said, my kids rely on the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare for our health care here in the ag industry.

We talked to Darren Van Bruden from the Wisconsin Farmers Union about this a couple of weeks ago about how many farmers

use the ACA, which by the way, in case you're confused, is also Obamacare.

They are the same thing.

The same thing could probably be said about SNAP benefits.

And the number of people, especially in rural areas, that get SNAP benefits.

A lot of folks who work for really struggling companies like Walmart, have to use food stamps because they are paid so little.

Correct.

And and and of course we go to that rabbit hole that does snap benefits are supposed to expire on Friday And we finish the fiscal year in Wisconsin with a four billion dollar plus surplus and when Republicans in the legislature ask hey Do you think we can make up the difference here for a while?

Probably not as it turns

out.

No, we why would we do that?

That's not our responsibility and

I'm sorry, I'm going to sidetrack a little bit here, but that goes back to the whole FEMA monies.

Yes.

So we were denied, Wisconsin was denied FEMA money for infrastructure repairs after the terrible August flooding.

This is what he said on the campaign trail.

They were going to send FEMA back to the states.

The states have to start picking up more of the burden.

It's their responsibility.

We're only the federal government.

It's not our responsibility.

And we're seeing this now.

He does seem to be, however, being a little bit selective about which states get all the aid and which ones don't.

Funny how it works out.

You weren't sidetracking at all.

You're reading my mind as you always do.

We were talking to our friend, Jane McNair, of McNair on air every morning from 9 until 11 across the Civic Media Already Network.

No, I got the story right in my hands, as you said that, from Channel 3000 last week.

We talked about this when it broke.

Trump administration has denied.

Wisconsin's application for public assistance for Door County, Grant County, Milwaukee, Ozaki, Washington, and Waukesha County.

So it wasn't just as if that wasn't bad enough.

It wasn't just the Southeast portion of the state.

I mean, you know, Grant County, not exactly a blue voting county over there in Southwest Wisconsin.

No doubt about it.

But I also think that there is a tinge of, well, I hate their governor.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Because he's

a petty man.

We're talking about tribalism here with Jane.

So that's other republics.

These are the stories that they don't want us to talk about on the republican side of the denial of federal aid.

And by the way, where's all this, this big, you know, republican strength in our congressional Ron Johnson and Brian Stylen and Tom Tiffany.

I mean, he wants to be governor for good and sake and he can't even get his own president to give us a

couple of bucks for FEMA relief.

I just saw a picture of Mr. Tiffany on Twitter, and he was slicing a big roast somewhere.

So apparently whatever BP's getting is going good, because Tom, of course, is still getting paid.

Right, as it turns out.

Tom's getting paid, so, yeah.

That's all good in TIFF's world.

That's the Republican side, on the Democratic side.

And I just want to publicize kudos to you and Greg Bach and political editor Dan Schaefer with you last week.

And you're calling this what it is.

And this whole Jill Underly story, the result of the Capitol Times.

And to me, Jane, this is no longer even about the Capitol Times story so much.

It's about Jill Underly, the DPI superintendent, who refuses to talk to the press, refuses to be interviewed, refuses to sit before a state legislative committee on this.

And when she was asked to do that, she takes a trip out to her alma mater to Indiana University to receive an outstanding alumnus award instead of doing her job.

Yeah, that doesn't look good.

That's a major understatement.

No, it's terrible.

You got to get out in front of this and address this.

This is a big problem.

And Zommer's plays the Jill Underly theme song of this program all by myself, because that's what she's all by herself.

We'll come back to a little bit more about that.

And the passing of a broadcasting icon with J. Matt Nair.

Zommer is a myself.

It's the title ball show across Wisconsin.

Get out your radio.

There we go.

Wow.

Get it out every morning.

It's a party.

It's an information.

Feel good party every morning from 9 until 11 with Matt and Aaron.

Jane Matt and Eric.

Greg Bach.

Jane joins us now as she does now every Monday at 2.30 from the lovely Milwaukee area via StreamYard.

Jane, I want to make sure we get to it.

Give us a little bit of a...

teaser as they say because people keep telling me I gotta talk about these things.

Give us a tease what's coming up this week on the Matt Nairnair.

Well at least tomorrow you are going to be joining us in 930.

Karine Hendrickson is also going to be joining us.

We're going to be talking about childcare.

This is not a problem that has all of a sudden gone and it's just fixed itself and gotten better.

That isn't the case.

So we are going to talk about childcare.

Jim Santel joins us on Thursdays.

There is always so much to talk about with him these days.

And I think on this Thursday, particularly, Rand Paul now says that we should not be blowing boats out of the water without knowing for certain that these people are criminals.

That's called extrajudicial killing.

So,

we'll be

talking about...

Well, yeah, we'll be talking about that with Jim Santel on Thursday.

Looking forward to that.

And boy, yeah, it's a weird world where I never thought I'd find myself agreeing multiple times with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Rand Paul on occasion.

Make

them stop.

Make them stop sounding logical so I don't have to agree with them.

It's driving me crazy.

But

thank God there's at least a couple of people now and again.

I'll give them that.

I'll give them that.

By the way, Carmela listening on W.

AUK in Milwaukee says, Todd and Jane, I'm glad you're addressing tribalism, or in your case, anti-tribalism.

You're calling out the BS on both sides of the aisle.

We need more people in our media environment doing just that.

Thank you, Carmelo.

Well, thank you, Carmelo.

Thanks, Carmelo.

It means a lot.

Talking about exactly what she said here with Jane, we did the Republican side.

They don't want us talking about Trump trying to undercut beef farmers and not...

giving federal relief to Wisconsin flood victims.

And on the Democratic side, this whole issue with Dr. Jill Underly, Jane, the DPI secretary, again, to me, it's no longer or very little about the story of the Cap Times.

It's now about the fact that Dr. Underly refuses to be interviewed, refuses to sit before a legislative body, takes off to receive a personal award at IU in Indiana over the weekend instead.

And I,

I just, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle.

If you're an elected official, I think it's your responsibility to come forward.

Without a doubt.

And as far as it's my understanding that this award she was supposed to receive had been set up a long time ago, I don't care.

I really don't forgive me, but I don't care, Ms.

Underly.

It's about priorities.

And your priority should be addressing

parents who are genuinely and not without reason concerned about this.

And one of my big frustrations with Mike Johnson, the speaker of the house, is considering all of the access he has to information.

He is the least informed person on the planet because he can never respond to anything.

And now she's doing the same thing by making herself absent.

That is inexcusable.

You are the head of that

you are the head of that department.

You are the face and the authority of that department.

She should have come out right away after this hit, right away.

And

Democrats not demanding her do so, I think is also wrong.

Yeah, the silence of the Democratic Party.

Do you see Van Orton's tweet?

And again, somebody I rarely have ever agreed with, his tweet calling Devon Remaker, the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, the Timu Wichler.

I thought that was

pretty good.

Not a bad line.

I want to know if he actually came up with that, but that was not a bad line.

I

don't care if that one.

This is very important to me.

And Jane, I want to get your opinion on this as a pioneer in this state in broadcasting for women.

And I say that with all sincerity and respect.

The great Susan Stomberg, the first woman to host a national news program in this country, passed away last week at the age of 87.

She was an institution, a national public radio.

Speak a little.

bit as one of the early pioneers for the first women in this state to really be something on the radio and to maintain that for decades.

What does Susan Stomberg's legacy mean to you?

Well, for one thing, Todd, I mean, she had a good 30 years before me, so I do nothing but stand on the shoulders of women like her.

And the fact that you would equate me in any way, shape or form with her is beyond flattering and I think giving me far more.

Grace that I deserve, but back to Susan.

Disagree,

but go ahead.

Think about what she, the landscape, I mean, there was misogyny and sexism in radio when I entered in the 80s.

She entered when in the late 50s,

early

60s?

When did she start her career?

And the incredible fortitude, inner fortitude she must have had.

to go in every day and advocate for herself and hopefully find some man, because it was predominantly men, who would also advocate for her.

It had to be really difficult.

It had

to be really

difficult.

I can't imagine.

It says on the WISN Channel, 12 stories last week, she became the host of all things considered in 1972.

In 1972, but even so.

Even before that, she was still in radio.

Right.

and becoming the host of something like that on a national scale is huge.

So again, obviously she had some advocates and obviously she worked for it, but I'm sure it took her a long time to be taken off of lucky light stories, you know, which is what they tended to send women reporters into.

Cover recipes.

You know,

do that stuff.

Cover

those stories.

Yeah, cooking and those things.

And so I have nothing but respect for her.

Massive, massive respect for

her.

Well, I appreciate your reflections.

I believe that Susan Stomberg should have some sort of memorial in this country.

We should remember her, particularly in our industry.

And, you know, your humility, that's just who you are.

But I know our friend, Kristen Brie, who used to be on this network and now is somewhere else in Milwaukee.

She gives you a lot of credit for helping her when she came here and to be paired with you.

And people know you, know your voice and dedication, and congrats for setting the stage in Wisconsin for women broadcasters, for all of us, but in particular women, Jane.

I've been very, very fortunate.

I have lived a blessed life and for which I am very grateful.

And it's been a lot of fun.

Thank you, my friend.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Ta-da!

Along with Mr. Aaron Zummers, our producer and engineer on the board, it is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome in hour two of the big broadcast here on a Monday, October 27th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Glad to have you along here at the World Headquarters of Civic Media, downtown Madison at the intersection of State and Fairchild.

Zomers, let's take a look at the old Sam Davison Street Cam.

Look at that, a beautiful, beautiful fall day leaves, still a few golden leaves on the trees down here in downtown Madison.

Sun now kind of lower in the sky, so reflecting off the buildings across the street where many of my coffee dreams died.

True story

many not all

but many um Yeah, great day.

Great day to be out.

I love the kind of just Jack isn't this the quintessential jacket weather is ours

Yes, and I'm all here for it because you know for so much of the year as somebody who is chronically overheated I can basically just wear a t-shirt right and now I can finally wear other things except

also not, because now it's hot in the office.

Now, you first talk about this for many years, or maybe many months, a couple of years.

The studio, we do the show in, and it's a lovely studio, look at me rolling.

But more so are the office that Zommerz and I share, there's a vent.

And it's often, it was often like an ice box, like an ice box in there.

And so it was just, it was a chilling experience.

And so you have to bundle up.

And now last week there was a big brouhaha meeting and they changed it, the HVAC.

And now I may have to start doing the second hour of the show shirtless.

I don't even know how because it was my understanding that the thermostat here was kind of just like, all right, you can change it, but no matter what you do, it's going back unless you can figure out some arcane hex to put on it or something.

So now

the question is, which do we prefer?

An ice box or a solenoid?

Ice box.

You're more of the icebox.

Oh, yeah, what's worse sauna for sure For you absolutely.

All right.

Well, summer's I will deal with our first world world problems dealing with the horse voice.

I apologize for that We're working on getting it fixed.

So hopefully in your future

and

also many thanks to Jane McNair How about that our friend and colleague you can hear her and Greg Bach every morning from 9 until 11 Monday through Friday Friday

Monday through Friday as it turns out on the civic media right now work I'm gonna join Jane and Greg tomorrow at 9 30 as long as I keep track of the days Always a good time always a good time coming up on this hour of the program Gonna give you a little Halloween you say Halloween or Halloween?

I've just always said Halloween even though that's probably wrong, but I don't know

I know I think you're probably right.

I say hello

a lot.

I think that's right because it's all Hallows Eve.

Oh,

all right.

Halloween economics.

I was up initial center this weekend.

Mom has her Halloween candy.

All she's got late.

She's counted the pieces.

It's in the proper, uh, uh, what do you call it?

Baskets or bowls to give out.

And so I'm encouraging Brady and Brandon Ewing to get their kids there early and get a couple for themselves.

They trick or treat the neighborhood, so mom's all set to go.

And so it turns out the average American spends $296 a year for Halloween.

That's crazy.

Is that saying like, because I imagine that's counting a parent with five kids.

Who you know is going out crazy?

I don't know.

We'll find out.

We'll break it down.

We'll break it down for you here a little bit So we'll talk about that.

We also have a what's worse for you and gonna give you some news from CBS and also some Jay Rothman news The UW system president back in the news last week.

We didn't have a chance to cover that important stuff So we'll get to that but first ten minutes past the hour of three o'clock time once again for a Wisconsin fun fact

That's right,

it's time for another Wisconsin Fun Fact.

On this date, October 27th, 1909, a major explosion at the Papst Brewery in Milwaukee destroyed.

three floors of the brewery.

And it left everyone in the blast radius smelling like the old anchor Inn on Atwood Avenue.

And that's how we play Wisconsin Fun Fact.

I didn't know about the blast in the brewery.

I didn't

know.

That's real.

That part's real.

The blast at the brewery, don't be confused with the bash at the brewery.

That's an event, that's a holiday event, you know, the blast at the brewery, different thing entirely.

By the way, it's a National American Beer Day today.

I didn't know

that,

but now I'm gonna have to celebrate.

There's

a National Day for everything, our friend Pat Crichtlow and Parker Olsen on Crichtlow Up North Mornings.

It's just mornings of Pat Crichtlow from six until nine every morning.

He was talking about this, it's National American Beer Day today.

So it raises a glass to the rich American beer making history and those who savor continued traditions.

Pour your favorite pint with millions.

Enjoy the storied brews

across the nation

and right here in Wisconsin.

I imagine Pat's gonna go to Lining Cougars.

Probably.

Or maybe go across the lake to the Mallard and sit, you know, really it's just show research at this point.

Oh

yeah, for

sure.

So have a pint of your favorite American or better yet, Wisconsin beer today.

Maybe I'll go home and have a little spot of cow.

I've still got a couple cans of this year's strawberry rhubarb.

Ooh,

those are always tasty.

I don't drink a lot of fruit of beers.

It's usually just like a straight old spot of cow or maybe a...

a highlight, a Miller highlight, the champagne of beers.

But when I get the fruity beers, it's hard to beat the strawberry rhubarb from Nuglaris Brewing.

By the way, I was at Nuglaris on Friday, big shout out and thanks to the Dirty Dog Taphouse in Nuglaris stopping there.

Curtin Floresy took me out for my birthday last week.

We had a speaking of a couple of pints.

We started the evening out at the Dirty Dog.

And then we went up the hill to new not new Glaris, but Bailey's run.

Thank you.

Bailey's run winery and The the distillery there is open as well as the winery and we went to the distillery side where they do a great Friday night fish fry So I had some great great fish with curtain floor see so many things to them That was a good time had by all as kill Lewis is fond of same What should we do here?

We should we should we do the thing or should we do something else?

I don't know what

So I want to get well, let's let's get into this a little bit just for for a minute Well, we'll try to come back to this a little bit later on the show News this morning late morning or a little afternoon today And I'm sad to hear this sad to read it.

It's in USA today today on the online version CPS evening news is going through another shakeup John Dickerson

who took over as the co-anchor of CBS's evening news broadcast in January following the departure of Nora O'Donnell is leaving the network at the end of the year.

Dickerson shared the news on an Instagram post today, quote, I am extremely grateful for all that CBS gave me, the work, the audience's attention and the honor of being a part of the network's history.

And I am grateful to my dear colleagues who made me a better journalist and a better human.

I will miss you."

Dickerson wrote.

He also serves as CBS News' chief political analyst.

He did not share a reason for his departure, but will continue to co-anchor the CBS Evening News until the holidays.

The CBS are according to the network.

The news comes weeks after Barry Weiss was named editor-in-chief of CBS News, an unconventional pick for the role.

my editorial comment to say the least, given her lack of experience in broadcast journalism.

Weiss founded the Free Press, a media company that was acquired by CBS's parent company Paramount Skydance and was previously an op-ed editor and writer for the New York Times.

Dickerson's departure also marks the latest big change at CBS Evening News after O'Donnell left his anchor in January.

She announced her exit in July of last year when she said it was time to do something else after 12 years at CBS.

She's now one of the people at 60 Minutes.

Dickerson anchors the current edition of CBS Evening News with Maurice de Bois as they replaced O'Donnell

earlier this year.

I think this is a big loss for CBS.

And of course, we've talked about this at length in the show, the changing national media, the legacy media.

John Dickerson was one of the straight shooters.

His mom worked at CBS News back in the day.

He took over a course for Bob Schieffer initially at Face the Nation when Schieffer stepped down.

And Dickerson did a great job with that.

And then they had to shake up, but after Charlie Rose got caught up in the Me Too movement.

And so they decided to take Dickerson off of Face the Nation and move him to CBS News, or The Morning Show, CBS This Morning, where he never really quite felt like he was in his comfort zone.

And so then they took him and put him at 60 minutes.

And then they moved him to the anchor chair at CBS Evening News.

And they've tried to do this more 60 minutes-ish version where they do longer form stories instead of the quick hits.

I watch it, it's okay.

I can see why a lot of people who are traditional evening news viewers, I know it's a smaller market now.

I can see why it's not their thing.

But now CBS, after being bought by Skydance or Paramount, being bought by Skydance, which owns CBS News, they've changed things.

And I think this is one of the first big changes on Dickerson, whether he was pushed out, whether he said, this is for me, I don't know.

We're gonna come back to this in a different way, hopefully on the show yet, because other news today from TheGuardian.com, ex-60 minutes producer, Bill Owens, says bosses discouraged him from covering Gaza and Donald Trump.

Could that have been?

Part of the reason a forbearer of why Dickerson John Dickerson is going to be leaving CBS news We'll talk about that a little bit later on in the show, but right now at 18 past the hour three o'clock time once again for what's worse.

Let's

go

Time once again for what's worse, nothing to give away, no prize, what are you involved, but it is your chance to have your voice heard on all 10 news, weather, sports stations, talk stations of the civic media, radio network.

Timely, timely indeed, we're getting to the end of grilling season, but boy, anytime the Packers are playing, and Badgers as well, but we'll say Packers for now, grilling.

I mean, how many great tailgates do you have at Lambeau Field, or people just get together,

and say we're gonna tailgate our garage on the big screen to watch the Packer game.

And one of the main things on this is Brots.

People love it with this state to grill a Brot.

Oh, absolutely.

My favorite version of tailgating is when you're out ice fishing and you bring a grill out, and it feels so good because you're so cold.

Casper, one of our great engineers on YouTube, it's always grilling season.

If you're brave enough.

That's right.

So here's the category today.

What's worse?

Johnsonville Brots.

Or Clemens Bratz.

Johnsonville Bratz or Clemens Bratz.

What's worse?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

You can also text us on the Civic Media app.

I know I'm getting myself into controversial territory here, but we'll ask the hard questions.

Johnsonville or Clemens Bratz.

What's worse?

We'll discuss it after this.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 and tell you about Halloween economics later on as well as the all ball show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

What are the most iconic television

ads?

In the state of Wisconsin, the Johnsonville Brot ad where the guy yells it off the dock and all the boats come in because Charlie Murphy is cooking Johnsonville Brots.

I love that ad.

Me

too.

The guy who yells it off the dock, at least in this version of the video, also really looks like a guy that my dad goes fishing with.

So that's what we do.

That's really it's not him, but it looks like him

welcome back to the town all ball show the civic media radio work 23 minutes past the hour three o'clock asking today is what's worse the category is Johnsonville Brots or Clements Brots Johnsonville Brots

or Clemens Bratz, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Mark, in prayer and sack on the text line, says, depends.

Is Charlie Murphy cooking them?

I hear Johnsonville, and I remember that annoying commercial.

Yeah, he sent that in before we played this, so it seems like he remembers it a little differently than

you do.

Well, it's one of those things, it's like a song, it gets stuck in

your

head.

And then, and then somebody, and then people just keep saying it over and over and over.

You know what, what, what, what are you cooking today?

All we got is some Johnsonville broths.

Hey, it was so, so, so good, John.

And then people get goofy with it, and that annoys some people.

I find it kind of funny.

Lots of, this is, I love it when we hit on something that people have strong feelings for.

We're gonna get to all these, so give us a call, 855-752-4842.

855-752-4842, or you could text us on the app, download it today at your Apple or Android device, go to your app store, type in Civic CIVIC, media takes less than a minute to download it, it is free, that's what Gale King at CBS for now calls a deal.

Let's go to Tom, listening on WMDX here in Madison.

Tom, Johnsonville Bratz or Clemens Bratz, what's worse?

Tom are you there?

Hello Tommy.

Well, hello.

You must have lost him,

but Tom on text bar or call us back

before I can also just share what he said.

Well, let's let's wait to be called.

Okay, so

we've calls back Let's go off to the the stream here and PJ very strong opinion here says Clements are throw up emoji

I guess Clements are worse.

He says you can I did not know this PJ on YouTube says you can taste the difference between the two brands and Clements has a really weird in my opinion fake taste

I didn't know a Brotts could have a fake taste.

What do you

think can have a fake

taste?

I think we need to run this up to the 12th floor.

I think we need a budget for Brotts bombers and we need to do a taste test on the show.

I think that's absolutely what we should do.

Because we don't want to be putting out misinformation.

Exactly.

It's for you, the listeners.

What's worse, John Seville Brotts or Clemens Brotts, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, or text us on the Civic Media app, YouTube.

Twitter, Twix or Facebook.

Uh, Casper on YouTube says Johnsonville is worse only because of their political affiliations.

I did not know that.

Now see, and I, I'm kind of a, I was going to use a word and probably shouldn't have the air.

I'm kind of, uh, a weak need on this because I don't know.

I mean, I'll buy some products based on a company's political affiliations, but if it's like something I really, really like.

It's pretty hard for me to boycott something cuz like like

I don't know

like I Reese's peanut butter cups.

I'm not gonna stop eating those because of If I'm I'm not even sure what their affiliation is.

It's a lot easier when it's stuff You've never had like I've never been to Chick-fil-A and I don't know what I'm missing out on that

right if it's something you really like

But I don't have a good point PJ says you could taste the difference.

Oh, we already read that one Heather checking in up there beautiful Chippewa Falls listening on WC FW the tap says Wow, and this is I've not heard this yet Johnsonville or worse.

She says the last two packs we purchased do not cook right over the fire No more pop of the skin

They're dry inside.

Terrible.

We found out.

Is this true?

They recently, Johnsonville changed their recipe.

I have been a faithful customer.

No more yuck.

Wow.

Strong opinion from the little sister there.

I, I didn't know that.

I did not know that.

What's worse, Johnsonville or Clemens Bratz.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to the text line.

Data.

in La Crosse on WLCX says, Clements just taste like lesser quality, the texture as well.

It seems they fill their sausages loosely compared to other companies.

Well, there, texture is important.

I don't like a brat that's lumpy inside, like the meat's lumpy.

I like a smoother inside brat, if that makes sense.

Right, yeah.

So you like it more ultra processed, if you would.

Not necessarily.

I don't know, maybe.

I'll tell you this.

A, I like a well-done brat.

Like, if that thing is, like, almost black, give it to me.

Because I like a crisp... Well, I hate...

The crispiness is nice.

It's like, I like... I hate, like, a pale brat.

Looks like it's never seen sunlight, you know?

And then when you bite into it, the innards come out, and then you're left with, like, a... You're left with a skin on the front of it.

It's just... Yeah.

It don't want that.

No, it...

Stuff when it

when he's like boiled.

Oh,

yeah, I don't want to boil you can boil it before but put it on the freaking grill and grill that baby Breton Brown dear listening on wak in Milwaukee.

Now.

This is great He says I lived in Germany for three years and John Seville brats are more like the German broad But I love them both.

I'll say Clemens is a tiny bit worse.

All right, Brad I wonder if that was pre or post changing of the

of the recipe there for Johnsonville.

Chris in Beautiful Son Prairie listening on WMDX says Johnsonville Brats are the worst because they have MSG in them, which is different than MTG.

Marching-Taylor Green.

Yeah, I mean it is.

All right, we have to, we see you on the lines.

Do not hang up, as Matt Flynn likes to say.

What's worse, Johnsonville Bross or Clemensville Bross?

Clemensville.

Clemensville Bross.

I'll get it straightened out.

Farm News is next and more on the other side.

It's the All Bulls show on Civic Media.

That's why we drink it here.

And when we're gone from

here, all our friends will be drinking all our beer.

Hey, welcome back to the Tell All Well Show on the Civic Media running at Ork 35 Minutes now, past the hour of three o'clock.

It is national American beer day.

Nicely done there, Zomers.

Have yourself a better yet a Wisconsin beer.

Break out a little lightning coogles if you're up north or some spotted cow by Nucleus Brewery.

All kinds of other great local breweries across the state of Wisconsin.

Enjoy a Wisconsin beer and what goes better than with beer that are brought somers?

and baseball.

Oh, and baseball.

All right, that's fair enough.

We're going to finish up a little What's Worse here for you.

And then we're going to get into a little bit more serious news.

We didn't have time last week to get to this, a story in the Wisconsin State Journal on UW System president Jay Rothman.

So every time I say his name, Jay Rothman, in the back of my head, I hear the Darth Vader music.

Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

He Rothman doesn't actually visit them.

He sends out his is is Darth Sidious's to do his evil bidding He just stays at the Death Star on the 17th floor.

Oh, they're really I mean, it's the other way around their city a sense.

All right It's a serious subject, but look you gotta laugh and have a little bit of fun.

All right, let's let's uh, let's finish this up.

There's a great category lots of opinions today

What's worse, Johnsonville Brotts or Clemens Brotts, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Mark, in priority sack, listening on WMDX of Madison.

Mark, Johnsonville Brotts or Clemens Brotts, what's worse?

Are you there, Mark?

Maybe that line isn't working today.

We've got a bad line.

All right, Ollie in the Northwoods.

Ollie, let's try this.

Ollie, Johnsonville brats are Clemens brats.

What's worse?

So here's what they do.

They sit down.

They sit down.

We have these meetings.

You understand?

We have these meetings and they say, okay, we're going to look at your numbers and we're going to see what kind of streaming numbers do you have?

What kind of, uh, what kind of, uh, uh, Arbitron numbers, Nielsen numbers do you have?

And how, how many calls do you get?

How many texts do you get?

And the, the greatest on all of this, you understand?

My employment is based largely on my numbers.

Now how in the world, Thomas, are we supposed to have good numbers when our phone lines don't work?

Well, I rebooted it, so if you're on the line, hang on.

I will get to your call when I can.

All right.

See, it's rigged.

I'm telling you, the whole thing is rigged.

Give us a call.

It may work.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

In the meantime, while Zommerz is trying to reboot our phone lines, let's go to the text line.

That seems to be working.

What's worse, John Seville or Clements brought Ron, listening in Milwaukee on WAUK.

Of the two, I picked Clements.

Superior to both is Fort Atkinson based Jones's Sausage.

Well all three seem to my senses to have fiddled with their recipes as they jockey for market position Jones is increasingly hard to find in the Milwaukee area and the only reliable source are Sentry food stores themselves a waning presence now.

There's a connoisseur of brats Ron listening to Milwaukee on a UK.

Thank you very much Ron This is the what's worse category what's worse Johnsonville or Clemens Bratz?

Try the phone lines a five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, or text us on the civic media app.

Oh, let's see.

Judy listing in beautiful East Troy on W. A. U. K. Milwaukee says I was raised with using ears and Clements, not Johnsonville.

All right.

Very southeast Wisconsin there.

Dana.

up on WLCX in beautiful lacrosse along the banks of the old Mississippi River says Clemens just takes like lesser quality.

The texture as well.

Oh, I think we have read that one.

That one already there.

Uh, we got Chris.

All right.

So let's go.

Let's try the phone lines here.

Well, we've, we've, uh, brought in the voodoo doll to try to fix this.

Um,