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Many UW Student Athletes Still Have Poor Mental Health (Hour 1)
The Todd Allbaugh Show · Tue Aug 19, 2025
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Good afternoon, everybody.
Todd Albaugh here with you on a Tuesday, August 19th, 2025.
It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.
It is six minutes now past the hour of two o'clock.
Welcome in to the world headquarters of Civic Media in downtown Madison, Wisconsin, here on State Street.
Sunny skies, a few floaty clouds, some colorful clouds, not colorful, they're white, but they're puffy clouds in the sky.
Mr. Zommer, tell me the hell, how the heck are you?
Right?
It's a beautiful day here in Madison, and it turns out to be a pretty nice day in Chicago right now.
The Brewers walloped.
The Chicago Cubs in the first game of what was supposed to be a double header yesterday 7-0.
And then the second game got rained out post-poned because of course the friendly confines of Wrigley Field in Chicago doesn't have a roof like Miller Park.
Just another thing that makes you go, huh, with all the money they have.
But it's historical.
I don't want I don't want to knock a Wrigley field.
I better I haven't I've had the pleasure to be there once and Regardless about my feelings of the Cubs Wrigley Field is it's kind of like Lambo Field.
It's it's a it's a beautiful
historic park for that sport.
I do want
to
hey,
Well, the brewers got a little rest last night after the second game was postponed.
So they're playing a double header today across many of our stations on terrestrial radio.
For those that I know some people, honestly, goodness, they're going to say, what's terrestrial radio?
It just means like the radio in your car or your kitchen, your bathroom, wherever you have a radio at, you can hear it over the air.
Pass or fail for this semester is the late great Gary Decker.
It was fond of saying pass and fail for the semester.
What is terrestrial radio?
It's over
the air.
Yes.
So you can hear the Brewer's games amongst our station, W R C E and Richland Center, W I S S over in Oshkosh, WPRQ.
No, not WCQM up in Park Falls and also WBZH the buzz of the North up in Hayward, Wisconsin.
So that's played out over the world on the stream because it can't stream the brewers because other people have the rights to that.
Right night right now I can tell you the first game of the double header today in Chicago the Brewers are up pardon me the Brewers are down Chicago is up to nothing over the Brewers in the top of the third So I didn't really I was preparing for the show so I wasn't watching but not sure what happened But the Cubs are off to a to nothing lead in the top of the third, but that's nothing for the Brewers.
That's nothing So we'll keep updating you as the as the show progresses here the Brewers up nine games
over the Cubs for the Central Division lead going into this afternoon's game.
So we shall see about that coming up at hour number two.
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By the way, Sean Hannes gonna be on our friend Pete Schwab is show tonight, starting at six o'clock, six until eight.
Schwab a night light.
and Sean Hannish talking about it.
Pete's going to ask him, hey, do you think this movie that you guys made just a bit outside sparked the big Brewer's, you know, 14 game historic winning streak?
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And other things as well.
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Zabra, as you talk for the people watching on the air, I'm going to model, I'm going to do my best prices right modeling here.
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It's basically the movie poster they put on shirts and Kelly and Sean were kind enough to send us those.
So thank you guys.
Yesterday, Pete mentioned this on his show.
When he contacted Sean,
About you know, hey, you want to come on the show and talk about whether or not this movie is influencing the win streak Sean said you are not the first person to reach out about that But you are first Cubs fan to reach out about
that.
Oh, really?
All right.
Very good.
Yeah, Pete or a Schwab is a cubby's fan So it's nice that he's having Sean on to talk about the the brewers.
So that'll be great tune into I know I'll be listening tonight night light me to eat Schwab up and
What does he say?
The loveable Conrad?
Yeah, the loveable Conrad on night like tonight from six until eight should be a great show.
All right.
So I want to get to this today.
A sports edition, a little bit of sports, but also news.
And we try to this program.
Thank you.
So I was bringing me the latest news about break my hot little hands here.
We tried to bring some attention to mental health awareness on this program and other shows on civic media have have done the same.
We had Kelly Meyerhofer of the Journal Sentinel on here not too long ago, and she had a great article on the death of a former University of Wisconsin runner in the track and cross-country program, who Sarah Schulze was her name, and she died by suicide.
Really touching the heartbreaking story, important story, great work by Kelly Meyerhofer at the Journal Sentinel.
And now a couple of days ago, we had news and it was reported several places.
The story I'm using here again from the Journal Sentinel from Mark Stewart, headline five former Wisconsin women's basketball players file lawsuit against former coach Marissa Mosley.
Regular listeners of this program will know I'm a huge Cardinal and White Wisconsin Badger fan.
Always had been.
I think there was a little bit of, I just didn't have the academic grades to go to UW Madison, which was my dream school.
And so I lived vicariously through others, big Badger band, fan, Badger football, Badger basketball, Badger hockey, men's and women's.
It's just, I believe, because I think it just epitomizes the Wisconsin idea.
And I'm so proud of this great university that we have.
And I think that the athletic program
has helped raise funds for the academic programs, brought awareness.
I think that's the thing that goes unnoticed, is people say, oh, you know, it's all about sports athletics.
What I think we have to recognize is what I've learned, and I learned this from my time at the Capitol when my former boss, Dale Schultz, was majority leader.
And Barry Elvarez, then athletic director and football coach, came in.
and talk to Dale several times about funding, why is this important, what they're doing, got to know some of the people in the athletic program.
And what you really, when you talk to university officials at UV Madison, what you find out is that, you know, like everything, they run statistics on stuff.
And what they found is when the Badgers played, football team played in Rose Bowls, when the Badger basketball team, men's team got to elite eights and final fours,
Badger Women's Hockey won national championships.
When Badger Men's Hockey won national championships, guess what?
The interest at uwmedicine.com and the socials, the interest for people to come there academically rises.
It brings awareness.
And also it brings awareness for grant programs and other academic things.
So the foot of the athletic department is a great PR marketing tool for the university as a whole.
And the other thing that people don't know is that, or don't understand, is that once the football program got to where it did under Alvarez, and once the basketball program got to where it was under Bo Ryan, and at times where the men's hockey program has been, those are your three largest revenue givers.
And a portion of that revenue, once it gets to a certain level, goes to the general fund of the university.
So I'm a huge fan.
Not not to say there haven't been problems over the years, but I'm a huge fan.
But I would be doing a disservice.
And by the way, by my two godsons, our graduates of the University of Wisconsin, Madison Proud, graduate Badgers and others that I know.
But I would be doing disservice to myself and most of all to our listeners if I didn't also acknowledge and talk about what ain't going well.
And there seems to be an ongoing problem now in the athletic department, particularly under women's sports about mental health and the recognition of this.
Now you might have remembered earlier this summer, our old friend, Kristen Brie,
who works for, amongst other things, very talented person, writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
She's been doing this fireside chat series around the state, and she was here in Madison, and she had former University of Wisconsin Badger football star, Montae Ball, here in Madison for an evening.
Very powerful.
And Montae Ball, star running back for Wisconsin, got drafted to the NFL by the Denver Broncos as childhood favorite team.
And it was going through addiction issues, even while at UW.
And kind of lost it all, so to speak.
Now it's been sober a number of years, really doing great, helping others.
But Monte Ball was talking about the mental health issues that he was having.
And remember when Monte was in college, they didn't have NIL.
And the fact that we have these 18, 19, 20 year old kids,
who are suddenly thrust into stardom and are on social media and are dealing with the pressures of trying to remain academically eligible, who are trying to excel in their sport and are getting bombarded by people that know nothing about them with, I can't believe you didn't make that shot.
You suck.
I can't believe you couldn't catch that ball.
You're terrible.
And you don't even know these people.
because to the fans, it's just, you know, behind the keyboard, a social media account.
But to these young people, I mean, they're taking this seriously.
And for some of these individuals, particularly minority kids, they see, and particularly for men, young men, there are many in Monte talked about this, Monte Ball.
that he felt it was his responsibility as someone who had been gifted athletically to help bring his family out of poverty and the only way they were gonna do that is if he got drafted to the NFL and he carried that burden at 17, 18, 19.
The challenges, mental health, and now you add in with NIL, some of these kids are making hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Now that's not always true that those numbers although there are some But not as many an NIL for women But I think it's important we have this discussion and there's some great reporting by Mark Stewart at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel About the allegations of mental abuse that preceded the resignation of former Wisconsin women's basketball coach Marissa Mosley And it moved to a new level on August 15th.
It's gone to federal court
and five former players have filed a civil lawsuit against Mosley, the University of Wisconsin Board of Regents, and Justin Doherty, who served as the administrator for women's basketball, and has since, by the way, retired.
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Twenty two now past the hour of two o'clock.
I'd have you along some hours on the board.
I can tell you the Brewers game going on right now down in Chicago, Wrigley Field.
A little damage has been done.
Yelly got a solo homer.
And so now it's five to one cubbies.
Cubs over the Brewers right now.
I believe they're in the top of the fourth.
Five to one Cubs right now in the first of what will be a double header on some of our stations across the Civic Media Ready Network will keep you updated.
Talking about that and again an appropriate terry bar from our own terry bar from civic media here and co-host of max inc radio amongst many of her great duties here at civic media Saying very important topic Todd.
Thanks for tackling it Well terry, thank you.
I appreciate it, but I'm not here to say I know all the answers But I think it's important that we bring awareness to this Particularly as we're coming up on as they call it now week zero
of college football.
There's going to be a couple of games that go on this Saturday.
Badgers start their season on August 28th.
And also high school football and high school fall sports season starts.
And what I find disturbing is that now this attitude that some people, some I'm going to call them bad fans, in my opinion, take towards college sports, that's now being.
taken down to high school.
And again, I get very concerned about this whole sports betting world.
I just I guess because I'm not into it.
I understand it to a degree.
I look at it like I do going to a chunk or or buy a lottery ticket or or anything else.
Only bet or play what you could afford to lose.
And so if you say, hey, you know, I got I got $50 for entertainment money in my budget for the month.
Hey, all right, fine.
Take five by a lottery ticket or take 20 of it and do a sports bet.
But don't don't bet or don't do stuff that you can't afford to lose.
And so what happens is people do that.
They bet more than they can afford to lose and you can bet on virtually anything like, you know, who's going to have the the first catch?
for the Badger football team this year.
It gets even more minutiae to that.
And then people get very upset because they don't win because these athletes don't do what they think they're going to do.
And they blame the kid.
So I hope all of us who attend high school events this year, college events, use your head because it has consequences.
Milwaukee Journal sent no Mark Stewart writing this story.
five former players filed a civil lawsuit against Marissa Mosley, the former now Wisconsin women's basketball coach, the University of Wisconsin Board of Regents, and Justin Doherty, who served as the administrator for women's basketball and retired as UW senior associate athletic director for external communications in April.
The players claim psychological abuse by Mosley and that Doherty
was aware of the issue but took no action to protect the players.
The plaintiffs of the lawsuit are former Badgers, Alexis Duckett, Christina, if I mispronounce, I apologize, Elu, Mary Ferturo, Tara Stoffaker, and Tessa Towers.
The lawsuit was filed in District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin and seeks compensatory and punitive damages amongst other penalties.
other penalties.
The lawsuit hits on the same issues Tower shared about her experience at Wisconsin in a TikTok post in January.
And we discussed that at least briefly on this show.
Among the allegations in the 52 page document, one, mostly unconstitutionally toyed or
Yes, toyed with the mental health of her players, including the plaintiffs, as a means of exerting control over every facet of their lives, including retaliating against them based on their protected speech and expressive acts and discriminating against them based on their disabilities or perceived disabilities.
Number two, mostly interfered with her player's mental health treatment, something she accomplished by taking away playing time.
or scholarships.
Let me step away from the story and explain that one a bit.
And this is what we talked about back in January when towers put out the social media posts.
The allegation is that coach Mosley, former coach Mosley, basically said, this is my paraphrasing of the allegation, that Mosley said, you need to sign off and they make me able to see all of your notes when you go into
counseling.
And also, if you tell the counselor that you're thinking about self-harm, you ain't playing.
Which, to me, if the allegation is proven true, is a violation of HIPAA laws.
You can't go into a healthcare professional and confide something about your physical or mental health and have someone else find that information out without your permission.
And so Mosley allegedly was forcing her players to let Mosley have all that information.
Number three, players and parents reported Mosley's abuse to Doherty, but the university failed to act.
The complaint calls the university's response to the issues it raises about Mosley, quote, a policy of laissez faire interaction, unquote.
In other words, kind of, well, whatever you want to do, you're going to do.
We're not going to do anything about it.
I mean, it's a pretty disturbing allegation.
I was talking about this with my kitchen table advisors, a couple of friends of mine that, uh, long-term friends that, uh, we, we followed Badger Sports and Athletics.
And we were talking about this this weekend.
I guess I was going to talk about the show.
And one of the people brought up a really good point that these are allegations.
And in today's day and age, you could have a young person in their early twenties
someone in their fifties, and there's two different perceptions of what went on.
That's a fair point.
But I think based on the preponderance of evidence, we can't ignore the fact that mental health and athletes in this state need to be having much more consideration.
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It's 35 now, past the hour, two o'clock on Tuesday, August 19th.
Brewers.
playing the first of a double header, they had to move it to today because the second game last night got rained out at Wrigley Field.
Can tell you it is the top of the fifth, top of the fifth.
And the Cubs are up on the crew five to one, although the crew is threatening with one man on base, a one out in the top of the fifth.
You could hear that over the air at RCE, Richland Center, ISS, Oshkosh, PQM in Park Falls and.
bzh in hayward talking about a story in the milwaukee journal sentinel a couple of days ago written by mark stewart really important i think and it's on mental health involving the women's basketball program at uview madison but as i said in the first segment there
We had Kelly Meyerhofer on, great reporter for the Journal Sentinel as well.
And we had her on back in the first part of the year talking about this death by suicide of a former Madison, UVU Madison runner, Sarah Scholesi.
And her family spoke out and talked about the women's track coach cross country coach that is now gone, was fired or resigned, but.
that, you know, talked about the pressures being put on their daughter and how she felt she couldn't go to anybody and was verbally abused.
That was the allegation.
And there were other things going on in Sholzi's life, which her family talks about, a relationship that didn't go well, but she felt that she really had no support at the athletic program and she couldn't talk to anybody.
And if she did, she felt she wouldn't get running time.
Montae Ball talked about this as well in this, in this fireside chat with Kristen.
We were at the summer.
He felt, he said that the feeling was at that time, at least his perception.
He said, look, I had good coaches, but I, I perceived it as though if I went to my coaches and said, Hey, I'm struggling.
The fear was they'd say, okay, we got you.
You sit out the next game and take care of your business.
And what the athletes are saying is we can do both, but we just need to know that we can be free to express what we're going through.
And maybe that just is a little time off, not being benched.
And so now this story by Mark Stewart in the Journal Sentinel lawsuit filed a couple of days ago in federal court against former women's basketball coach, Marissa Mosley, who was allowed to resign earlier this year.
Which to me is ridiculous.
I think she should have been fired But as a loud reason just on her on her record alone Was not doing well as the basketball coach Marissa Mosley at UW Madison Mosley coached the Badgers to a 45 and 75 record in four seasons as head coach
including a 21 and 51 record in the Big 10.
I mean, that's nobody's going to keep
can't really say.
And that's what I was discussing with a couple of friends over the weekend that, you know, Tom Izzo, let's take Tom Izzo.
What a national championship at Michigan State continues to always have his teams right time He really goes after his guys, but he's also known to come over and it's kind of a Lombardi approach You know chew their ass on the field and then put your arm around him off And and and push them to the best they could be and look there's something to be said I think for certain individuals for certain players Frank Kaminsky All-american national
One of the best basketball players if the best Wisconsin's ever had he's talked openly.
Hey Bo Ryan really pushed me But his dad Frank senior Kaminsky was also involved He was talking to Bo a lot and it was kind of a my son needs this.
This is what he responds to the parent was involved According to Kaminsky himself Not every player responds that way
And I think with younger players now, there is a different approach to educators.
There's a different approach to coaching.
You can't do and say all the things you used to be when I was in high school and college.
And you know what?
That's probably in some ways for the better.
But your coaches have to adapt to what the situation is today.
And it would appear by these allegations against former Wisconsin basketball coach, Marissa Mosley.
She was not able to do that.
So continuing on with this, with this story from Mark Stewart in the journal Sentinel, the complaint says that instead of removing or disciplining Mosley, the university punished the players for the mental health issues caused by the coach.
Among those claims was at the university, quote unquote,
coerce players following a mental health incident to sign broad agreements releasing their medical records if they wish to remain on the team."
Now, there's an argument that can say, look, just like we want to help you be academically eligible and we are able to go in and see your academic records, in order to help you, we have to know all of your mental health conditions as well.
What appears to have not happened in the case and the women's basketball team is that coach Mosley or anybody else associated the team never called the parents Never said hey, we're trying to help your kid.
Can you talk to her?
You guys come to an agreement what you want to do here.
We would love to know what's going on so we can get them to help That apparently did not happen Instead the young women were threatened
to be kicked off the team if they essentially didn't allow Mosley to see all their medical mental health records.
Now, look, I've never done really bad.
I went to school counselors in high school or middle school.
I've never really been to a therapist.
Quite frankly, I probably should, if I'm being honest.
But when people go to the therapist like go to your doctor you tell them things you're not going to tell everybody else And and I don't know that it's the head coach is right Just to be able to hear the most personal things that a player has said to their therapist Maybe the player said hey coach Mosley sucks And she's a real witch
And I'm stressed out because of that.
And the therapist might say, well, what did she say?
What did she do?
And the therapist says, well, let's look at it from her perspective.
Maybe how you perceive that wasn't necessarily what she meant.
And they worked it through.
But it mostly sees that the first thing she's going to say is, oh, this player called me a witch and I'm cleaning it up for radio.
And well, you're done.
You're gone.
I don't think that head coaches have the right to know what someone tells their therapist.
even for the best of intentions.
Journal Sentinel Story goes on and says, an attempt to reach coach Mosley and Doherty weren't immediately successful.
And it goes on again and say, the record Mosley coached the Badgers to a 45 and 75 record in four seasons and coached that included a 21 to 51 record in the Big 10.
Her first three seasons were marked by an improved record over the previous season.
But it was also marked by players who transferred or left the team midseason.
I mean, here's a hot take.
Why doesn't the University of Wisconsin Madison just get rid of the women's basketball program?
Because they're not committed to it.
They allowed this head coach to go on and have a terrible record while allegedly abusing, mentally abusing her players.
And now they've hired this Robin.
I don't even know how to say her name, right?
Piggerton, Piggerton, Piggerton from Missouri, who does not, who did not have a wedding, winning record of the SEC, who by all accounts locally, Missouri was like, thank you, take her off our hands.
So you hire a sub par coach to replace a losing coach.
I mean, it's just if you're not gonna commit to a program and of course, you know, people are gonna say, oh, Todd is, oh, he's against women's sports.
No, it's not at all.
I just think that either you commit to a sport or a program and you hire qualified good coaches, you give them the resources to win, or you don't have it.
You don't just have a program for the looks of it.
So, you know, I mean, look at women's hockey.
the most successful women's hockey program in America.
I mean, Mark Johnson, why isn't there a statue of a Mark Johnson on campus right now?
There's one of Barry, there's one of Pat Richter, and I'm fine with that.
But where's the statue for Mark Johnson, what he's done to the women's hockey program?
Incredible.
That's a commitment to a women's program, to any program.
And meanwhile, the Badgers just continue to kind of like fucks around with, well, you know, we can't cut a women's sport.
Nah, of course you can't.
Just, I mean, they cut baseball, which I think they should bring back quite frankly.
Anyway, my takeaway from this,
And I think the important part of this, again, as we move into the sports season here, the college sports season and the high school sports season, remember the people that you're watching are mostly kids, young people who are just trying to make it in the world.
And they have family issues, they have parent issues, they have relationship issues, and they have academic issues.
and trying to catch or shoot a ball or a hockey puck or make their personal best record on the track field, that's not their entire life.
Just like most of us who might have a hobby, it's not our entire life.
Just like our jobs go to every day.
We are more than what we do for two hours a day on the radio.
And I hope all of us take that attitude into the sports season and don't send out mean tweets.
Don't go at, don't at, as they say, don't at these young athletes.
Unless you're going to say, hey, good job, hang in there, whatever.
Send them positive vibes because this could be devastating to a young person.
It could cost them their life.
There have been reports of other players across America who have taken their own life, who have died by suicide because of the pressures they felt from fans.
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Dick, listening on WMDX in Madison.
Dick, about a minute and a half, let's see.
Well, I couldn't agree with you more about fans that take it out on student athletes at the collegiate level.
Save that for the pros.
You know, that's ridiculous.
But that said, part of this is not part of it.
All of it is money in my mind.
Let's look at the situation.
You know, there's people calling for Luke Fickleshead.
Sure.
They want him gone.
Well, I asked one of these guys since all over his case, I said, look, you know what his buyout is?
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
Do you think you're going to go out and find something immediately way better?
Some of this is funding period
right Here's here's my question dick.
Give me here's the hot take give me a response.
Well, we got 30.
Can you stay through the break dick?
All right state in the break because I want I want dicks take on my hot take because it involves Chris McIntosh the current athletic director of the University of Wisconsin Madison and Luke fickle the head football coach
And Marissa Mosley, the former women's basketball coach.
How is it all tied together?
I'll give it to you after this.
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All right, let's bring Dick back on from Madison here.
Dick, I appreciate you sticking through the break, talking about this story in the Milwaukee Journal.
Sentinel today, five former Wisconsin women's basketball players filed a lawsuit alleging mental health abuse by former coach Marissa Mosley, also names the board of regents and former administrator Justin Dougherty in claiming inaction despite reports of abuse.
Dick, we're talking about and you brought up that, you know, and my takeaway is look, people, you know,
The players are just kids, 18 to 23, 24, and they're dealing with their own life, and just quit harping on the kids, the players, like this.
You brought up, there are a lot of haters out there right now, the fire fickle, three bad years, gonna have the toughest schedule in college football this fall, and they're saying fire fickle, and you gotta look at what the buyout is on that.
Here's my hot take, Dick, and I want your response to it.
If you look at this,
this lawsuit now this federal lawsuit against Marissa Marissa Mosley and you combine that with the reporting by Kelly Meyerhofer this spring of the death by suicide of a young woman in the track program at Madison and then you combine it let's say that fickle has a terrible season let's say the traveling Burt's
Brett Bielema comes to Camp Randall again this year and stuffs the Badgers.
Remember it was after he did that to Paul Christ in Wisconsin that McIntosh fired Paul Christ and then brought in Luke Vickle.
Let's say the Badgers have a terrible year.
I hope they don't.
But let's say that the traveling Burt's beat him in Camp Randall.
And the last game of the season is at Minnesota for the X. Does Manuka, the chancellor of Madison,
Will she use that, the football record, but really it's all about these lawsuits here on Mental Health and other coaches.
Will she fire Chris McIntosh and Luke Vickle and bring Barry back for the last game at Minnesota to grab the ax?
Wow.
I don't know.
How's that for a hot take?
That is, I can tell you this.
I am just because of the way you went about the hiring.
of two of people you mentioned, I'm not the hugest fan of McIntosh.
But, I mean, it's just, to me, this whole situation, and you know as well as I do too, people are always calling for Greg Gard.
You know, it is totally ridiculous based on this.
I honestly believe with the way things are set up now.
You're lucky if you've got 25 teams at the Division I level that really have a legitimate shot at a national championship, be it football or basketball.
Sure.
And just to be in the hunt and to actually go to the, I'm happy with that after all those horrible years.
I mean, think back to the faithful 5,000 at the field house.
Give me a break.
But I mean, don't you really want to go back to that?
Somebody's going to have to take the fall of the athletic department if these allegations and depositions in court, if they prove out to be true.
Don't you think?
Somebody's got to take
a
fall for this.
And in my finger points to, I mean, if I'm a nuke and the chancellor, I got to go to Chris McIntosh.
Yep.
I kind of agree with that.
But then where do you go?
Right?
Who
do you bring in
then?
Let's just hope that.
All of the above starts going the right way.
Well, I'm for
that.
I'm 100%
to that.
I hope more of a Homer than I am.
Me too.
That I
hope at the end of the season, people call in a rail on me and said, Todd, you didn't think the Badger football team was going to win five games and they're going to whatever bowl.
I hope
that happens.
I do too.
Well,
I mean, me too.
I get it.
I get it.
Thanks, Dick.
I appreciate the call as always.
Thanks for listening.
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But Dick is right.
As the late great Jack O'Neill at UW-Plaffville used to say, it all comes down to the dollar sign.
And, and I think that is a lot to do, or I shouldn't say that.
My guess is.
It's partially to do.
We'll find out when this depositions happen in this court case against Mosley and the Board of Regents and Justin Doherty.
I mean, the coaches are under tremendous pressure to win because of the money, right?
And so they're, but, but, but the big but here, the star asterisk is, I think, I think you have to have coaches that can balance the pressure they're under.
to win, to butt in the seats for money, and the physical and mental health and well-being of the young people they're coaching.
There has to be, you have to have coaches that understand that and respect that and can do it.
And I think there's no better example than that than Greg Gard.
Remember the uproar a few years ago when whether all these allegations Against Gar that he was being hard on the players and terrible team meetings and turned out to be Alondo Tucker Remember that The the guy that for a player that Gar brought in as an assistant coach and Tucker was ginning all this up because he wanted to take guards place So that all came out the watch
And Guard, to his credit, brought people like Greg Steamswell, who had his own mental health issues as a badger, in to coach and to mentor his players and to say, we're going to have a program that's going to focus or at least acknowledge in a healthy way our players' mental health and to feel comfortable in talking about this without retaliation.
And Greg Guard does not get enough kudos for that and enough recognition for that.
And I think Mark Johnson, same way that women's hockey program, by all accounts, very understanding, very healthy, very supportive coach.
So we'll continue to follow this as it goes along in this federal court case.
As I said, these are allegations, they will prove out in depositions and in the courts.
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