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Famous Faces and Funky Tunes (Hour 2)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Fri Aug 15, 2025
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Peach Waba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now, a guy who likes to dine and dash, Peach Waba.
Welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.
Hey, great to have you here on this Friday night as we do a deep dive into the things that make us happy, folks.
It's Friday to begin with, so we should all be happy.
And there's lots to discuss this evening.
On this gorgeous summer night, we are in City Deck Landing in downtown Green Bay.
I hope wherever you are in the state of Wisconsin, you're having a positively lovely night.
Conrad, how are you tonight?
You know, something did make me happy today.
Really?
Yeah, I was at the gym and I'm doing this new program that makes me sweat through my shirt.
Yeah.
And some Jimbrough came up to me and gave me nucks and he says, good bleep.
S.
Good poop.
The S word.
Yeah.
And I was like, you know what?
I think we feel really good today.
Thank you.
Like he was giving you a compliment.
Yeah.
Because he saw hard I was working and my shirt was just what?
That sounds like a pickup line to me.
I'm just saying.
That's good.
What were you doing?
What kind of exercise got you that...
Well, I was doing back and biceps today, but so all super sets today, that's the new thing I've been doing.
That's a great workout.
Just gets me... And I get my workout done faster, which I like too.
You get it done faster and you get like a cardio workout, even though you're doing weights, which I think is huge.
I try to do that too.
I also played a little bit of just...
I was just warming up and playing basketball in the gym that I had.
And the gym that I go into, they like don't have AC in the gym.
So it's like, there's AC outside of that gym, like by all the workout equipment.
But as
soon as you step in there, it's like 100 degrees.
They got one fan blowing.
That's awful.
So I mean, it's good though to get you sweaty right away.
Yeah, but I don't think, I think sweat is like overrated.
I don't think you really lose any more weight by sweating.
You just lose water.
Yeah.
Well, and it makes you feel good, you know.
Potential that you could die, you know.
Well, that's why I always have a massive water bottle with me.
Here's the thing.
I drove here today as I often do on highway 41.
I never changed it up.
I am starting to think, here's the deal.
two people again in the same corresponding they're both going like 65 they're going the speed limit in the same lane this went on for two or three minutes guy in front of me i'm in the left lane comfortable distance two seconds wouldn't move it took another guy flying around me on the right to go right up in his tail to get the guy to move it's like that's what you have to do to get people to obey by the rules drive like a maniac and i started thinking about this my trips down here
get more annoying all the time.
And I think God is just laughing.
I think, listen, if I were God, that's what I would do.
I would mess with people non-stop.
Put a slow driver in front of that guy, see what happens.
Have no parking for three miles, that kind of stuff.
That's what I would do.
I would mess with people.
I created everything.
I have license to mess with things.
That's what I would do if I were God.
And then he, you know, to make.
He's even more annoying.
He makes the annoying people famous.
Well, that's part of it.
He or she, Conrad.
Do you
have proof?
No, I don't either.
I don't.
I'm open-minded.
But, you know, why did he make Kanye West famous?
Kanye West, just to play devil's advocate, did have talent.
He was brilliant.
He
did.
You know, as I understand it, I don't own anything by Kanye West, but he is massively respected for his early work.
Yes.
You know
who I would go for with that, with no talent.
Kim Kardashian.
Yeah.
The whole
crew.
The whole clan.
Stupid brother, too.
I don't think anyone has any talent outside of running in that family.
Oh, and that was Caitlyn.
Yeah.
Right.
You got to do the calf on winner.
And then there's like a big massive
nose drive.
Yeah.
Fun show tonight, folks.
My pal, Lisa Hale, is on the show.
Lisa is the host of New WISCO Weekend here on... You can listen live on... Is it Saturdays and Sundays still con?
Yep.
Okay.
You can listen live on Saturdays or Sunday here on WGBW or WISS, or you can catch the podcast on CivicMedia.us.
It's a great show, focusing here on Northeast Wisconsin.
Lisa does a phenomenal job.
She also covers news...
for Civic Media here in northeast Wisconsin.
She is a huge fan of the show Dexter.
So we've been talking about this for a couple weeks now because I just started watching the show.
I'm almost four full seasons in.
Very excited to have some serial killer talk with Lisa Hale, who I, she is, I mean, when I mentioned it, she went crazy.
So I'm excited to talk about that with Lisa.
And then it is a bar band Friday night.
And unfortunately, the segment's namesake could not be here tonight.
Terry Barr is taking the night off, well-deserved, and we are going with the righty out of the bullpen, also known as our pal, Rocker.
Rocker is also a fun participant in Bar Band Friday Nights.
He will be here at 7.35, and we will talk about Wisconsin music.
Hey, how fun was that last night?
Oh, that was... Those guys were fantastic.
Hortest green.
I listened to their new song.
Cream.
And, wow, it's great.
It's fantastic.
If you get a chance, listen to it.
I listened to it on Spotify, and their acoustic version was so close to actually how they produced it.
Oh, was it really?
It was
great.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, it sounded a little bit like the song Kiss from Prince.
Tony has such a cool voice when
he does
that falsetto.
It was really fun to have those guys.
But
we'll talk more Wisconsin music tonight for Bar Band Friday night.
A quick reminder, Monday night, native Wisconsin son David Zucker will be on the show.
David Zucker is also the writer, producer, director of Airplane, the original Naked Gun, Top Secret.
He also directed Scary Movie.
The guy's got a list of credits a mile long and he is going to be on Nightlight at 6.35 on Monday night.
Very excited to talk to David Zucker.
And that's one of those things like I just grew up watching his movies.
And it's so much fun when you finally, when you get to talk to people that had such an influence on your life, it just makes it that much more exciting.
So I'm very excited to have David on the show on Monday night.
And what else we got?
I think we should do our, why don't we get to our question tonight?
Here's our nightlight question of the night, ladies
and gentlemen.
Let's talk about
the
question.
Okay, question.
Question.
Question.
Pregunta.
Question.
Question.
Okay, I have a question.
Questions.
This question.
Domanda.
Question.
Question.
Questions.
What famous person are you glad you're not related to?
What famous person are you glad you're not related to like most people?
At least growing up I remember if somebody met somebody famous it was like the greatest thing ever But I think we've gotten a little more jaded as a society there are people I Would walk right past and not even acknowledge I can't stand them so much Even though they're famous and then there are other people like I've told my story about meeting Chevy Chase at an elevator When I first got to LA that was fun
Those are fun, but who would you?
Who would just turn your stomach?
If you found out you were related to them More simply what famous person are you glad you're not related to 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic you can text us on the civic media app if you're listening there and if you are watching the radio on the stream at X Facebook or YouTube drop us a stream comment and also
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Be part of the show.
Tell us what famous person you are glad you are not related to.
You and I both responded to the social media post.
Who did you say?
I said Kanye West.
Why, you got a thing about Kanye West.
What happened?
Well, I mean...
I mean, he's crazy, but...
The stuff he's been saying is like...
I don't think anyone wants to be even close to
him.
I'm out of the loop.
Did he say something new?
You probably can't repeat it on the radio
or you can't but just some of that stuff.
It's it's terrible Yeah, I don't get why he still has a platform to say stuff like that
If I google it right now will it come up?
I'm sure a lot of stuff will come up
Plus, he's married to a woman who he expects to be naked whenever they go out in public.
That's kind of a big ask.
Yeah, I'm just surprised he hasn't been like banned on X with all the stuff he said on there.
Oh, no, that's free speech Conrad.
You can't, uh, what a joke that is too.
X has become just bots and horrible people.
I can't believe some of the quotes I read.
Oh,
yeah, there's
this.
It's not even political.
It's just hate.
It's bad.
You know,
I was very active when it was Twitter still.
Yeah.
And every single thing I see on X now, I'm like, all right, well, that's enough of X today.
Yeah.
And when it was Twitter, I actually had fun on Twitter all the time.
All the sports news I could read, all the stuff like that.
Now it's just,
I mean, I still go there for news.
Sometimes when
I
feel like my other sites aren't up to speed.
necessarily, there are people that I trust on Twitter that will tell me stuff, but it's just, I can't, and the problem is, I can't not read the quotes from people.
I know I'm gonna seriously dislike, and Twitter knows that, and then they put those things in front of me.
Like, even if I'm going on to check something on sports, it puts the stuff that knows I'm gonna hate first, so I spend time there.
So it's really my fault.
Hey, there's a new...
TV show out.
I'm excited about it.
Have you heard about alien earth?
I've seen probably 800 ads for the show.
Okay
So I'm
aware I am Here's what I did.
I do this once in a while.
I was watching I'm in into Dexter I'm in season four which many people say is the best season John Lithgow plays the serial killer that Dexter is probably gonna end up killing at some point
But I thought, you know, I'm kind of dexter out.
I want to break.
So I switched over to Alien Earth.
And as the show started playing, I went to Rotten Tomatoes and it had like 100% in like 90 reviews.
Might not still be at 100%, but it's through the roof.
And I thought, whoa, and I panicked.
I'm like, I can't watch this right now.
I'm not ready.
I'm not ready to watch a 100% Rotten Tomatoes show.
I need to gear up.
So tonight I'm breaking out some non-alcoholic blue moon,
maybe some
popcorn, some cashews.
something.
I gotta approach this properly because the show is supposed to be great and I'm extra excited because Noah Hawley, who turned the Fargo movie into a TV series, I think is brilliant.
I like the TV series almost every season better than I like the movie.
To me, that's how good Fargo is.
So he is helming Alien Earth.
So that's exciting, and I feel like it's going to be a great show.
Right now, I believe it's at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes.
So that means they probably got one bad review out of like 90.
Which I can live with.
That was
me.
That was
you.
Yep.
Wow, you got certified.
Now, here's, this is interesting.
76% on the popcorn meter, which is the lay people.
So they're batting 75% on, with critics, 75% on the popcorn meter, which is audiences.
That's interesting.
Hmm wonder what happens did
but by the way, I wanted to go back to did you say John Lithgow is the murderer?
He's the murderer.
He's so creepy.
I Cannot picture that guy as a murderer.
Oh, he's not every single thing.
I've watched him in he's like a nice dad figure
Yeah, but he's very good actor.
I mean he plays creepy really well and in this in this the first episode that you see of season four on Dexter
He's not wearing clothes.
I'll just say that and the actress that is in the scene with him.
I hope they tripled her rate Because you just have to see it.
It's it's so weird But it hooks you and a lot of people say season 4 is the best episode or is the best season of Dexter 2 so we'll ask Lisa hail about that at 635 You can send us your thoughts on sex in the city.
That's over too folks and just like that the sequel
People are not happy with the ending.
Did you see it?
Let us know.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Let us know what celebrity you're glad you're not related to.
We are coming right back with a great clip from Superman.
It's Beach Wabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media radio
network.
Welcome
back.
You've got a Friday night version of Nightlight, folks.
It's great to have you here as we close out yet another week with some great conversations tonight.
Lisa Hale will be here.
She is the host of New Wisco Weekend here on WGBW and WISS.
A great show, and if you don't live in the area,
You can listen to it in podcast form on the civicmedia.us.
Check it out.
Lisa does a great job.
And she also covers news for Northeast Wisconsin for civic media.
So she'll be here to talk about the show Dexter, our favorite serial killer, who's really just a good guy.
Lisa will be here at 6.35.
And then Rocker is filling in for Terry Barr tonight for Bar Band Friday Night.
Terry is taking a well-deserved vacation today and Rocker will be here.
And we really don't lose the beat with Rocker because the guy knows music and especially Wisconsin, Wisconsin band.
So Rocker will be here at 7.35.
In the meantime, our question of the night is what celebrity or famous person are you glad you're not related to?
That is the question of the night.
Please let us know what you think and we will read your texts I want to this sex in the city and just like that.
Did you I'm assuming I don't mean to be Make assumptions, but you're not someone who watched sex in the city Conrad is that safe assumption?
I you know I watched it when I was younger because it had the word sex in it, but that's about it
Yeah, it wasn't really probably really didn't deliver on what you were hoping for My wife was a fan
And as I mentioned last night, we had a friend of ours, Willie Garcin was in the show, who we were friends with in LA, and Willie was just a great actor.
Willie was also in Kingpin.
He's the guy.
Love that movie.
So funny.
He says to Woody Harrelson, come on, give me something to read.
I gotta take a dump.
Woody Harrelson says he'll read the shampoo bottle.
And Willie says, I already read this one.
Oh, such great stuff.
But I saw a few episodes.
I know the story.
I did not watch In Just Like That, but people are not very happy with how it turned out.
So if you have an opinion on In Just Like That and the finale, which aired last night, the series finale, let us know, folks.
We'd love to hear what you guys think.
It's kind of like pretty universal, though, that people are unhappy with the ending.
And again, I haven't seen it, but if you want to forum, if you want to complain,
Please, let us know.
What else?
All right, so Conrad found this clip.
I thought this was great.
This is a great example.
It's from the set of Superman, and it's a conversation between the director, James Gunn, and the lead actor, David Cornswet, who plays Superman.
And I love this back and forth between two creative brains on the set of this blockbuster that just came out three weeks ago.
Let's hear it, Con.
The whole crew is sitting around waiting like, come on, let's shoot, let's get this done.
So finally I walked off set to talk to him in person.
So great, but the... Am I just demonstrating?
So if I say, that's what it is to be human, that feels like I'm trying to prove it still as opposed to I really know it.
I think there's a little bit of... I mean... Okay.
Let me try
that.
The emotions are always lingering.
But isn't there something that the... I felt like sh** about myself since the recording came out.
It's just been like, I don't belong, I'm sh**.
Everything's a lie.
I'm not who I thought I was.
When is this not the moment where I go, I was wrong to feel that way?
That's exactly where the issue is,
right?
Because what he didn't tell you was it was wrong to feel that way.
There are feelings and there are thoughts.
Your feelings about feeling bad are okay.
It's not wrong for you to feel that way.
You should just, it's not right or wrong anything.
None of it is right or wrong.
All of it is being vulnerable and being a human being.
And in this moment, for you to talk about how it's okay to be vulnerable, you have to be vulnerable, which means showing Lex that your feelings are hurt.
in the point when you really
shouldn't.
Superman.
Great clip.
Good find.
Yeah, I just even just behind the screen, I felt as a motion for this scene.
And you can really, if you watch the film, you can feel that scene at the end.
You do.
And I love seeing the passion of these two guys, these two creative people.
Like David Cornswatt, he's a good Superman.
I liked it.
I liked his performance.
I love how intense he was.
He wanted to nail this.
He wanted the director to be happy.
The director wanted the actor to be happy.
Great onset discussion.
Love that clip.
Folks, be part of the show.
What famous person are you glad you're not related to?
Conrad says Kanye West.
I said the nudge.
Ted Nugent.
No thanks.
Never really.
Why not?
What's wrong with him?
Well, first
of all,
he's got the whole pedophile label following him around.
Oh, I didn't know that.
I don't like his music.
I think it sucks.
And, uh, yeah, I don't like him as a person.
I don't like the things he says.
He's very incendiary.
Um, he's very political too, which, you know, if you, if you sing about stuff in your lyrics and it comes out, I'm fine with that, but I just don't like the guy.
And Conrad says Kanye West, not a huge fan of Kanye West either.
And someone put Sean Combs, he's on my list too.
Yeah, Diddy is not someone you wanna
be around.
Between him and Ted Nugent, that's like, I don't need people in my life that look at women like that, regardless of age.
I mean, Sean Combs just completely abused his power apparently.
Did you follow the trial?
Not really, but you know, I just, I really,
It's
pretty
depressing.
Yeah, it's because Justin Bieber was like under his wing
for a very long time.
And there's a lot of suspicion that Justin Bieber was abused, too.
His behavior, I don't know if it has anything to do with this or what, but wow, he's having a tough time right now, apparently.
So there you go, three people, Ted Nugent, Sean Combs, Kanye West.
I would put the Kardashians on that list as well.
So if they were walking down the street, you just walk past them?
Well, what else would I do?
Kim, let me get a picture.
No.
No.
No.
You know what I would do?
Actually, we've been doing this thing where we take a picture through the window the last three nights.
We've got a three-game hitting streak going.
We've got to find someone to take a picture through the window tonight.
If Kim Kardashian walked past, maybe I would do that.
Oh, that's it.
What else am
I going to do?
That's for legal
advice?
I think if you walked down the street, you'd be like, can I take a selfie, please?
You think I'd?
Conrad, you don't know me at all.
This is Beachwabba Nightlight.
We're coming back with some serial killer talk after the news.
How can you miss that, folks, on a Friday night?
G.D.I.T.
I'm Beachwabba.
This is Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Two nightlight, ladies and gentlemen.
Happy Friday, everybody.
Great to have you with me.
So we've been doing this thing where we've been taking a picture.
Ed the Diver started it.
He sent us some window love.
He made a little heart gesture through the window.
I took a picture.
I posted it.
And I did my daughter's photo.
I put that up there.
And then last night, Conrad.
So I went out during the break to look for someone.
And there's this couple walking by.
And I almost, you know, they were an older couple and I thought this would be fun.
And they look like they just were about to get divorced.
So I thought if I were to ask them to do this, maybe it would have saved their marriage.
I don't know.
But the guy could have taken a swing at me too.
So we'll figure that out.
Our question of the night, folks, is what celebrity or famous person are you glad you're not related to?
Let us know and be part of the show.
We'll read your text on the radio.
Right now, I'm really excited.
I've been waiting for this for a while.
As I mentioned earlier in the show, I'm a big fan of the show Dexter.
Not typically a huge serial killer fan, but Dexter's taken one for the team.
He's kind of a good guy and When my pal Lisa Hale found out that I was watching Dexter she got all excited
And I thought it would be a good radio discussion, even though the show is kind of old.
I'm just getting to it.
But that's the nature of the beast here with all the content that's out there.
Sometimes it takes us a while.
So joining me now on Nightlight, as she has so many times before, is the host of New Whisko Weekend here on WGBW and WISS.
And if you're listening elsewhere in the state, you can stream the podcast at civicmedia.us.
It's a great show.
Lisa does a great job.
She also covers news for Northeast Wisconsin.
on some specific media.
So she's got a lot on her plate and that is the voice of Lisa right there.
Hi, how are you?
Hi there, how are you doing?
I'm doing really well tonight.
I hope you're doing fine too.
You're a busy girl and I appreciate all the more you coming on the show to discuss on a Friday night when I know your husband is probably waiting there in the background to watch James Bond with you.
Actually, we finished all of the James Bond movies.
Okay.
Now we're doing Kevin Smith movies and we finished all the View Askew.
We've done all the View Askew.
Now it's time to do the non-View Askew Kevin Smith movies.
The Jersey Girls, the Zach and Mary's, the Red State, and then Yoga Hosers.
Probably won't do Tusk because my husband hates that movie.
I have to check those out.
I am not nearly up on Kevin Smith movies as you are.
I saw the early ones and I've got some leg work to do there.
Are you a fan more of his early stuff or later stuff, please?
I really, really enjoy the view of skew universe, which is what we call the earlier stuff.
The, the clerks, mall rats, chasing Amy, same dogma, Jay and silent Bob love that entire series of movies.
But I also really like when he veers off.
I thought.
Red state was groundbreaking got a little silly in some spots But I really thought red state was an excellent excellent movie one of those that you'll continually talk about now You will continually talk about tusk too if you see that but I do not recommend Why don't you recommend it you because it is just weird the concept of tusk is this this guy
A serial killer, so to speak, keeps getting people and creating them into animal type things.
He turns a guy into a walrus for all intents
and purposes.
So
it is
really
out there.
So this is the thing with Kevin Smith.
He gets he critics are kind of split on him.
Like if you love him, you'll love him, especially the early stuff.
But like Tusk, it doesn't look like people knew what to make of Tusk or critics or audiences, which I think is kind of funny.
And that's exactly it.
It's one of those things.
It doesn't fit into a little niche and it certainly doesn't fit into the view askew universe.
So that's
OK.
It's not
all.
There's there's a phrase that Kevin Smith uses to describe his movies.
And I don't know if it's appropriate to say on the radio, but it's all blank and fart jokes.
And that's what view askew is.
So.
Oh, that's great.
Well, you don't have to apologize for anything here, Elise.
We are a open door policy, whatever people like.
Okay.
We love it.
So it's great to have you here.
Well,
you know, when you said you were starting to watch Dexter, I was like, oh, let us start because I've been a fan of Dexter since before the television show.
I actually read the books from
Jack Lindsay.
Wow.
Yes.
So I've been a fan of Dexter and that anti-hero, the serial killer of serial killers for years.
And I just, I don't know if you can see my toy.
I even have
toys.
Oh, wow.
That's so great.
I mean, you know what's interesting?
Dexter is almost like, like he's a vigilante.
He's Batman in a way.
He just goes really far with it, right?
Yes, exactly.
He's an anti-hero
just like
Batman is an anti-hero and I believe it was season two when they actually kind of did skew it towards the vigilante side of him, you know, right?
There was the dark defender where people were talking about.
Yeah
Yeah, he's definitely kind of got that vigilante feeling.
So you have just finished season three, correct?
Yes, I'm five episodes into season four.
And I want to just for people who haven't seen the show or don't know what we're talking about, Dexter came out in 2006.
It ran for like seven or eight seasons.
Dexter is a serial killer.
He plays a pathologist, well, he analyzes blood splatter at crime scenes for the police and he decides who should live or die, basically.
He goes after people that slip through the cracks, the people that get away with it, they don't because Dexter is going to get them.
So he has this killer vibe or urge that from a young age, his father told him he had to corral.
He has to check it and only use it for good.
So you could argue whether what he's doing he should do or not, but it makes for great TV, doesn't it?
It really does and the code that
you're talking about
the code that his dad taught him and you know, it goes beyond the original Run of Dexter like you mentioned the eight seasons then just recently we have had Dexter new blood Where we come back and we see he's come back a bit and I'm not gonna spoil
the eighth season for you or anything.
But he is there.
And then we've had Dexter Original Sin, which shows us his beginnings.
And it is fantastic.
They did such a good job with casting that particular one because they showed Dexter as a young person.
Yeah, they cast a really good person to play him.
And then now we have Dexter Resurrection.
So he's getting a lot of attention right now because he's got these reboots, so to speak, or this revisiting of the character now.
You just killed four of my questions with your...
I'm so
sorry.
I told you.
Totally kidding.
I might ask you to elaborate a little on those, but I want to keep the focus on the original because, you know, it's just such a groundbreaking, like, when I first heard of this show and this guy is a serial killer and they had the great, he's, first of all, what's your take on Michael C. Hall, the guy who plays Dexter?
Could you have cast a better looking person for that role?
He is perfect.
He
is
exactly who I envisioned Dexter to be when I was reading it.
Just
an average kind of guy, red hair, just handsome, but not too handsome, blends in, but doesn't blend in.
So it really he.
But looks a little crazy when
at a certain point, like in season two, I think it was Lila that painted him.
The guy.
It's a brilliant cast.
I don't know what Michael C. Hall's credits were before Dexter, but you're right.
He's a good looking guy, pretty unassuming, but he has this crazy look sometimes where you totally buy not that all people with a crazy look are serial killers, but it's really fascinating.
I thought they hit a home run with him.
They really did.
Before Dexter, he was in six feet under.
Okay, one of the sons and six feet under and was really good in that he had some bit parts here and there and some movies but he also did a lot of stage work and When he took a break from Dexter he went back to doing some stage work too and did a couple
series, but now that he's back to Dexter, I'm all I'm all happy.
I can tell you that.
Yeah, I agree with you.
My guest is Lisa Hale.
She covers news for Civic Media here in Northeast Wisconsin.
And she is the host of new WISCO weekend, which you can hear twice over the weekend on Saturday and Sunday here on WGBW and WISS.
On
WISS.
Yeah, on WISS, you can hear it twice Saturday and Sunday on WGBW.
It airs Sunday mornings at eight.
That's right.
We have the new
Some of the changes are still coming to grips with, but it's a great show.
Check it out.
Lisa does a great job.
And if you have an opinion, if you agree with Lisa or me, because I think it's great too, let us know.
Text us at 855-752-4842.
All right.
So we've established Michael C Hall is great.
I also love the sister character Deb.
Oh, Deb is fantastic.
Very well cast.
And she's just such a like a gritty,
person, she's very sexual, goes after what she wants.
She's almost like, I don't even want to say that because that sounds stereotypical, but she's like, she sits in an enigma.
She's a great character.
She is.
And she's got such a wonderful potty mouth.
And I absolutely love that about that character.
Same.
Her potty mouth is to die for, but.
In season one, you know, you see her just starting to feel her way in.
But as the things go on and she she really comes into her own and I really enjoy the development of her character.
Now, there is a season where I just wanted to punch her, but I'm not going to get into that.
OK.
That's awesome.
There are there are seasons where you sit there and you go, why?
Why did they kind of?
Yeah,
it back or make her do this for her development and things like that.
But.
You know, I believe that was season six.
I wasn't happy with that.
OK.
Here's what I like about her, too.
I love that she's potty mouth and she just does what her urge is.
Whatever.
She's great.
But I love that she just loves her big brother, too.
Oh, yeah.
She is craving a relationship with Dexter.
But he's so weird.
He's so detached sometimes because of who he is.
That's a great dynamic in the show as well, right?
Absolutely absolutely and they really when you after you watch this run of
Dexter and then you get into the new series that are coming out You'll also see that they keep that going in original sin when they revisit
okay
grew up together And it's really very good the way they do that.
It's so great And I you know I don't know if you know this about me Lisa my writing my background is writing and I've written for TV and some movies I feel like everything starts with the script you don't have anything if you don't have a good script Dexter by season two probably
I was completely won over by the writers.
I thought, what are they going to do here?
This is a little implausible.
How are they going to get out of this?
And they did it.
And it's so well written.
And now I have total trust that whatever happens, it's going to make sense.
And the writers, I trust the process.
And you can do that.
Now, you just got through season three, which I was not a fan of the
Miguel
Prado.
It was an OK
season.
But you're
in season four right now.
Halfway through.
Which is the Trinity killer.
as the big bad and
let
me tell you that is the best season of Dexter period the best season the rest of them are okay they're good but the trinity killer the best
i'm excited and i i've heard you say that and i've done a little research and it seems to be
that that's a consensus so I'm excited I'm kind of taking my time whenever I know I'm watching something I'm gonna like and I just said this with Alien Earth I started I took a break from Dexter last night I started Alien Earth and then I looked it up on Rotten Tomatoes it was getting like a hundred percent I was like whoa
I can't watch this.
I need better snacks.
You know, I totally spazzed out.
So Lisa Hale is here, folks.
We're talking about Dexter.
We're going to do a very short break.
We'll get into a little bit more about Dexter and what's coming up on new WISCO weekend.
You've got Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Hey, this is Lance Barber, and you're listening to Nightlight with Peach Shwabba.
That's so great.
Oh, Lance Barber, love him.
Welcome back to Nightlight, folks.
I am Peach Shwaba, as you just heard, and we are talking about
The show Dexter with our pal, Lisa Hale, who covers news for Civic Media here in northeast Wisconsin, and she is the host of new WISCO weekend.
We'll get a quick, a little plug for that soon because there's a great show coming up this weekend that you need to check out here at WGBW and WISS.
We're talking, we'll do a few more minutes here on Dexter.
Lisa, do you have a favorite, let's, assuming you like Trinity.
the season
four
villain the best.
Who are your other favorite villains on the show?
I really enjoyed the Ice Truck Killer because it was such a nod to the first book.
Everything is based on the first book, Darkly Dreaming Dexter.
And that was where we met the Ice Truck Killer and Met Dexter and all that.
After that, the series really
veers completely away from the books, does not follow the books, except for book one.
And so I really enjoyed that first season, but man, the Trinity, the Trinity season is the best.
And I'm totally digging the season that's going on right now with resurrection.
I'm enjoying it very much.
Could there be a dexter in real life?
Do you think there is someone in this world
who either historically has done what the Dexter character does, or something you've heard about more recently, or is there a character that's the inspiration for the books that the author was aware of that might have had similarities?
I don't know about that.
I mean...
You hear of avenging angels, you hear of avengers, you hear of vigilantes all the time.
I don't know if there is a serial killer that Jeff Lindsey based Dexter on, although I do love the idea of a serial killer that kills serial killers or that kills serial rapists or pedophiles or whatever that goes after the bad guys.
I love that.
I think that's just.
stellar idea.
And if I was a different type of person and had a different psychopathy, maybe I would be that person, but I'm
not.
Can you corral crazy?
That is the question, I suppose.
Well, that's the whole question of Dexter, really, because he has this psychopathy.
He is a sociopath.
And is not that way because he was born that way, but because he was created that way from history.
And so, you know, he doesn't feel emotions.
He doesn't connect with humans in the right way.
And
I want to ask you, you just said that.
OK, so that's a nature nurture thing, I guess.
Early in the I think season one, they talk about what Dexter witnessed when he was a kid.
his mom being killed and he sat there in a bloody, like, were they trying to say that that's why he does what he does?
It just affected him.
It was so traumatic.
So it's not that he was born with this gene, so to speak.
Right.
He will throughout the season refer to himself as being born in blood, meaning that when his mother was killed that way and that horrifically in front of him and he sat there for several days in her pool of blood with his brother, Beini.
Um, you know, they both were formed and formulated at that point.
Now the, the flashbacks you will see throughout the series of Dexter with his brother and Dexter with his mother, you kind of get the feeling that his brother was kind of a little bit on the edge before then, but I really think Dexter himself was born in blood as he says.
That's really interesting.
All right.
Tell me something negative about the show.
You're such a fangirl.
Tell me, force yourself to find a negative.
I can find a negative.
Okay.
I did not like, and I believe it was season six.
It might have been season seven.
I'm not, I don't have my notes in front of me, but I did not like the direction they tried to take with Deb and Dexter.
You will find this later and I don't want to spoil it for you.
Okay.
but Deborah thinks she is in love with Dexter at one point.
Oh, come on.
And I just don't think it works.
Why did they have to go there?
I didn't think that worked.
Yeah, they went there.
And I just, I didn't think it
worked.
To explain to people, they are both adopted, but
it's like,
you don't want Greg and Marcia Brady to date either.
It's just kind of strange, right?
It's not right.
Right.
I was wondering, I
was like, I hope she's not going there and sure enough.
They
do.
In one season, they take it there.
So I wasn't really happy with that.
And then when they did New Blood, which is one of the newer series where they brought him back, I didn't like how they watered him down.
It felt like a...
a watered down version of Dexter.
He wasn't doing his Dexter things.
He was just too angsty.
And yes, he was looking after a big bad and trying to catch a big bad, but it just wasn't in the Dexter way, you know?
Right.
Okay, fair enough.
All right.
And then I hope you can stick with us to the news.
I want to talk about Newisco Weekend and what's coming up.
Can you give us a few minutes on the other side?
I certainly can.
All right, fantastic.
We have about a little over a minute before we have to go to the news.
What would you rank?
What's your favorite iteration of Dexter other than the original?
You listed them before.
You got resurrection, original sin, new blood.
If I had to go in order right now, it would be original Dexter, then original sin, then resurrection, then new blood.
Okay.
But I would also have to put the books in there and that would go above the series I do believe simply because I did read all of the Dexter books and I really thoroughly enjoyed the character
Oh, that's so great.
Wow, this has been a fun, you're always a fun guest, Lees, but this is
a really cool discussion.
Well, when it's, you know, I'm a little bit on the spectrum, and when I get a special interest, I really delve into it.
Yeah.
The next year is one of my special interests, so I will learn everything, everything I can about
it.
Oh, that's very obvious, and it's so cool.
We had a great conversation with Dan Schaeffer, Civic Media's own recombobulation area, Dan Schaeffer, about the wire the other night.
And now we're doing Dexter tonight.
So this has been a fun week on nightlife We're just digging really deep into shows like that.
So Lisa Hale is my guest folks.
She's the host of new whisk a weekend You're gonna find out what's coming up on this weekend's episode and I'll give you a sneak peek of my classic movie pick to which you can hear on Lisa's show She does a great job and our question of the night is what famous person are you glad you're not related to Quite a bit of a
A lot of fun different answers.
We'll get
into all that after
the news in EC2.
It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now, a guy whose house has an actual wiggle room, Pete Schwabba.
Welcome back.
This is Nightlight and you've got the Civic Media Radio Network.
We are jamming here on a Friday night, having some fun conversations.
If you missed the first hour, our question of the night is, what famous person are you glad you're not related to?
We'll get to your texts.
They're piling up.
I need to start reading some texts, but we'll get to those in just a few minutes.
We had a great discussion in hour number one, Lisa Hale, the host of New Wisco Weekend, and we will just get back into our conversation about Dexter with Lisa in just a minute.
We also, what else do we talk about Conrad?
We talked about- Well, Superman.
Superman.
We had a great clip.
Yeah.
The Conrad found between-
David Cornswet and director James Gunn, outstanding.
You can catch all of this in the podcast if you missed it first hour.
And we talked a little bit about Sex and the City, the follow-up, and just like that, fans do not seem happy about the way the show ended.
I got a plug-in for David Zucker, the creator of Airplane, the original naked gun, and Top Secret.
He will be here on...
Monday at 6.35 on Nightlight talking about some really cool stuff he's done over the course of his career.
Let us know the answer to our question of the night, folks.
What famous person are you glad you're not related to?
And we will read those coming up shortly.
Also, it is a bar ban Friday night.
Our pal, Rocker, is filling in for Terry Barr tonight.
Terry is taking a well-deserved vacation today and Rocker, we really don't miss a beat with Rocker.
Would you agree with that, Con?
Totally agree.
Okay.
So Rocker will be here at 735 and that is the voice of Conrad Krieger working the board right now.
We have a few more minutes with our pal Lisa Hale who is joining us over the stream.
We just finished up a conversation about Dexter and did you watch and just like that, Lisa, are you a sex in the city girl?
I was never a sex in the city girl.
I just never could get into it.
And
you'll find that about me as you get to know me more and more when it comes to girly things.
I'm really not, you know, always in there.
You won't find me watching The Real Housewives or Bachelorette
or
any of that stuff, but give me a good serial killer and I'm right there.
I did not mean to make assumptions, but I do know that you love James Bond and serial killers.
I kind of had a feeling I knew which way you were going to swing in that and just like that question, but I thought I would thought I would ask you anyway.
Now, the Golden Girls, I'm all about
the Golden
Girls now.
So funny.
Let's talk about New Whisko Weekend.
Such a great news magazine show, I think is how we describe it right here in North East Wisconsin.
That's exactly what
it is.
What do you got coming up this weekend?
This weekend on New Whisko Weekend, we are going to talk about thrift shops
because
National Thrift Shop Day is Sunday.
And so we've got a feature article on Abelite Thrift Stores, which are in the Green Bay, Appleton, Nina, Horecon, Watertown,
Eau Claire and there's one other Anyway, there's seven able light thrift stores throughout Wisconsin that use their thrift stores as a way to fund helping adults with intellectual or developmental disabilities thrive and
you know, providing services for them.
So we've got a feature story on that.
Then we've got with Terry Barr, a great interview on somebody who really has spent 15 years thrifting and gives us all the do's and don'ts and wills and won'ts.
And of course, we have Amanda Nimmer talking about Facebook Marketplace.
And we have a story from Joanne Kruelotz about being safe when you're out garage sailing, not buying something that maybe has had a recall on it and things
like
that.
And then there's this guy, what's his name?
Peach Waba.
I'm
familiar with this work.
He does this show called Nightlight
and he
has musical guests on and so this week our musical guest is one that you had on Kailin Cold with Miss Treat Her Right.
Oh wow.
So
we've got that interview to wrap things up.
She's great.
Oh and
then there is.
then there is, of course, the classic cinema pick of the week,
which I
cannot get through the week without your classic cinema pick
of the week.
Good
one this week, not my favorite from that actor, but a good one.
Okay, so I was going to ask, by the way, Caitlin Cole, fantastic, great choice.
I wanted to ask you to, I'm late to the party, as I am with Dexter, I'm thrifting.
I wouldn't say I thrift, but
I realized, you know, when you read about climate change, global warming and all this stuff and these clothes that just, you know, I really got into it.
I'm not a closed person necessarily anyway, even though I look dynamite most of the time, but you can laugh at that.
Wow, she just kind of got sad.
She's just got a sad look on her face when
I said.
I wasn't gonna say a thing.
Nope, nope, wasn't gonna say a thing.
But I love going into secondhand stores because I have a better chance finding, I like older stuff anyway.
I don't know.
I watch a fashion show where a woman's walking around in a nut cup and a pair of heels and I'm like, who the hell would ever wear that?
So no one.
Yeah.
Except unless you're in a fashion show.
So I like my retro stuff and I am totally on board.
I think this is a great topic this weekend.
It is so much fun and.
As somebody who thrips as a side hustle, I will thrift and flip.
Do you know what I mean by flipping
like sell
something on?
I find something in a thrift store and then I go, somebody else is going to want this
and he's going to
want to buy it from me.
So I'll flip it on eBay.
Nice.
Um, so, you know, I do that sometimes if thrifting is just a different mindset, you
have
to go in there and not be looking for.
specific, but waiting to see what's going to jump out at you.
Whether
it's a
fuzzy pink sweater or, you know, some zebra pants or something, something is going to.
Jump out at you and you can take it and make it your style
and something you can't find necessarily that's in style right now But if you know you like a certain look that is what thrifting is great at you can usually find it if you're patient My guest is Lisa Hale.
She is the host of newest go weekend We just did a quick rundown of what you can catch this weekend on Lisa's show and then all right So you said Fletch is not your favorite Chevy Chase movie.
What is I
would have to go with Christmas vacation.
Okay
Yeah, Christmas
vacation is always going to be my favorite from him.
I mean, just there's just so many good quotes that can't be
shared
on the
radio.
Right.
But, you know, I like that.
And then I have I have a problem with Chevy Chase now.
It's it's it's kind of hard because I know he's such a butthole.
Yeah, it's kind of
hard to really like the character.
But I have I have been able to separate.
the art from the artist in many different ways.
I can do that sometimes.
And part of me, oftentimes, I don't want to know the extent of what someone has done.
I know
you know, before social media and that, I don't know what went on with people like, you know, Michael Jordan is one of my sports heroes.
Well, social media was, and I'm not insinuating that I know anything, but I like not knowing about stuff.
I just, I want to keep the focus on their work.
And I think Chevy Chase, or Fletch anyway, pound for pound with the one-liners is great, but he did two films right after Saturday Night Live, seems like old times in foul play.
Did you see those?
I did.
I did foul play.
I liked.
Yeah.
I liked.
It seems like old times, it was, oh, it was okay.
It has Charles Groden and I love everything with Charles Groden.
I mean, how can you not?
Are we
dating ourselves?
Are we dating ourselves
just a
little bit there?
I'm in my really late 20s and I'm just a history buff, so there
you go.
Favorite Charles Groden film of all time?
Will you just acknowledge that I look dynamite most of the time, regardless of threads?
You look dynamite, you
look fantastic.
I am
just so impressed with how great your style is.
I've got the threads.
There's no question about that.
Lisa, you are such a fun guest.
You're so multi-talented.
Keep up the great work with the news and newest Go Weekend.
We love it.
And thank you for letting me be a part of it and Conrad as well.
Absolutely.
I have one question
for
you.
As a fellow writer, if I start pounding out serial killer novels, will you proof them for me?
Well, I'll be scared not to if you start writing.
If you get any more into that world, yeah, I'll do whatever you want.
I just tease it with you, but
thank you.
Anytime.
We'll talk soon.
Thanks so much.
All right, thanks.
All right, that's Lisa Hale.
Check out New WISCO weekend folks here at WGBW and WISS.
And if you miss it there, check out the podcast at civicmedia.us.
All right, we should probably get some texts here,
huh?
You know what?
I just got to say this,
you
know, Chevy Chase, Chevy Chase.
Yeah.
Chevy.
Chevy, that works.
Chevrolet Chase.
I really like the movie Funny Farm.
I do too.
I think it's hilarious.
That's a forgotten about one of his.
It's very when he eats all the lamb fries and yellow dog.
Yeah, that's a great.
I love that movie.
I find myself going back to that movie every year because I just need a laugh someday.
Do you really?
Yeah, I should rewatch that.
I kind of forgot about that movie, but I went and saw it with my mom when I was like.
30 years old great film now there are two more candidates for the window love But I already took my picture for the night.
Oh, I tell them to come back
Monday
start
cataloging them right our question of the night folks is What celebrity are you glad or famous person?
Are you glad you're not related to?
Danny wheels on social media says dr. Phil.
Oh, yes.
Thank you.
I Actually like that guy when he when he was on Oprah at first
I kind of like them.
I like this.
I think his show is funny sometimes.
So
I think that's what he's just turned into such a tool.
It
was never really, you know, meant to actually fix a person, I think.
All right.
It's just like, all right, here are their problems.
We're going to laugh at
them.
Exactly.
Oh, it's just what a lot of those shows have become.
Janet on social media says, Mel Gibson.
Yeah, I'm kind of with you there.
He turned into kind of a kook as well.
Our pal Ezekiel Drew says, Danny Masterson.
Yes.
I almost refer to him as a Wisconsin guy, but he's not.
He's a Wisconsin guy via color television.
You didn't really know what happened to him until you were watching the ranch, and all of a sudden they killed him off.
He was one of the most important characters.
All
right, because of the scandal.
And he, you know, he was a car crash that he died in the ranch.
Right.
But it was just like so random, you're like, wait, he died?
And then
I
looked at him like, oh.
There you go.
You can't do something in real life and not expect to be killed off of that magnitude.
He wasn't even just harassing.
He was like a convicted rapist, right?
Yep.
Yep.
Horrible.
Ross on social media says, Trump, we've got a few of those.
I was expecting a few of those, obviously.
A president is going to be polarizing one way or the other, but especially Trump is going to bring that out of certain people.
Thank you, Ross, for the text.
Let's go to the text line.
Where we've got Tom from New Berlin says you Pete.
Oh Wow, I thought Tom and I were friends.
He doesn't want to share DNA with me You know what Tom I've had about enough of your beep I'm just kidding.
I don't blame you Tom.
Good text.
You do enough good work here Tom where I'm gonna let that one go Matt from Middleton says Gary Busey.
Oh man that face He's just crazy though is Gary Busey hateful or is he just crazy?
I know he's crazy.
He just looks crazy.
He looks crazy.
He's probably a good guy to party with.
You think?
If you got a ride home.
If he's not your ride.
Matt from Middleton elaborates and says, and crazy to boot.
Rob from Green Bay says, Sean Combs.
We've heard Sean already tonight.
Thank you very much, Rob.
Tyler from Wisconsin Rapids.
Wisconsin Rapids says, he's a little more discerning.
He says, rhymes with grump.
Oh,
we hear you Tyler, another one for Trump.
Oh yes, he hates Forrest Gump.
Oh, why Tyler?
Bridget from the 818 says, Tom Cruise, the Scientology is something that would separate us.
I am not sure if he has a close relationship with Surrey because of it and that is not cool.
I don't know if any of that is true Bridget, but if it is, I agree with you.
Thank you Bridget from the 818.
I see we missed a call from Ali, that always makes me sad.
Melissa from Willy Street in Madison says, I'm gonna go there, Donald Trump.
You and a few other people tonight, Melissa.
I guess I opened this one up for honest answers tonight.
John, Melissa's fella from Madison says, Danny Bonaducci from the Partridge family.
Peter, I waited his table for lunch at the signature room, 105th floor of the Hancock building in Chicago in 1992.
He was nice, then psychotic, and his mother and aunt were not impressed.
I was amused mostly, but he was all over the place, and it was concerning.
I've heard that about him, John, and I'm sorry you had that experience, but it helps our show, so I'm happy you did.
Peach Wild by Nightlight coming right back.
Welcome back to Nightlight, folks.
Is there a happier day than Friday?
Seriously.
Like, I mean, I love Saturday, but it's the looking forward to.
Yeah.
You know, I'm really excited.
I was gonna go see Nobody 2 after the show night, but they had no Showtimes at the East one.
And I didn't feel like driving down to the Schwab.
Nothing late?
Yeah, the latest was starting at 7.
I mean, I could that's so lame seven o'clock on a weekend.
So tomorrow I'm going to go to nobody to I'm hoping that's gonna be better than the first one.
I enjoyed the first one.
Yeah, I was hoping that's the Sox off, you
know, hope it takes it to another level.
Yeah, I'm gonna see the Spike Lee film this weekend.
That is my plan anyway.
We have Our question tonight is what?
Famous person or celebrity, are you happy you're not related to?
We got another vote.
Me and Trump are killing it tonight.
You know, I'm going to change mine to Peach
Wava too.
Well, Chad Fran says Peach Wava.
Oh, Chad just made his last appearance on Nightlight.
I'm kidding, Chad.
And what else?
We had another one here.
I don't want to miss this one.
Yeah, Jim from Appleton just said Hulk Hogan.
Oh, he's another one.
What a...
Not a Hulk Hogan, not Jim.
Yeah, all the stuff that came out about him, I can't, I can't say I'm not a Hulk Hogan fan.
That's a great choice, Jim.
And then 608 just said Steve.
I think he's talking about my
dad.
He doesn't
want to be related
to Steve, whoever that is.
Me and Trump are in a tie for first place tonight.
That's exciting.
So, all right, we talked about Superman.
We did that.
I am so excited.
I'm going to see the Spike Lee movie and I'm going to watch Alien Earth.
The first two episodes are available.
Folks, coming up in just a few minutes, Rocker will be here filling in for Terry Barr on Bar Band Friday.
They are co-hosts on Max Inc Radio.
They do great work together and Rocker has filled in for Terry before and we really don't miss a beat.
He's just great and he knows music just like Terry does, especially local music.
Mark, oh, here's another one, Conrad.
We have another, someone in the competition.
Mark from Prairie to Sax says, glad I met related to Danny Masterson.
He was kind of an A-hole in character on that 70s show.
He really was,
you know.
He stole a couple girlfriends.
Oh, before any of the, like,
sexual ones.
Well, in that 70s show.
Yeah, yeah.
No, in that 70s show.
So his character.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I never really knew what he did behind the scenes in that 70s show, but I...
I'm guessing it's not good.
Yeah.
I don't think so.
So we just found out we got to figure out, we got to get a hold of Norm Kepesky at Appleton Cigar
because
they're having a beard competition I want in.
I want to know
what's going on.
You got a ways to go, but you're further along than me.
So we got to get a hold of Norm and talk about his beard competition.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
Right now, before we get to Rocker and Barbie on Friday, I found this clip.
I just love this.
I don't know the podcast.
But it's, where is it?
It should sit right here.
It's Chris Cale?
It's a Beardo and Weirdo podcast.
That's all I know.
I don't know who the host is, but this is a great clip of this guy telling a story about Brian Wilson and Don Henley.
Don Henley apparently was a big fan of Brian Wilson.
And I think that's kind of all you need to know for this great clip.
Don Henley, apparently huge Beach Boys fan.
Pet Sounds was the first album he ever bought.
Brian Wilson is coming to Los Angeles to do an art exhibit.
Don Henley walks into this art exhibit, walks right up to Brian Wilson and goes, Brian, Don Henley, Eagles.
And Brian goes, oh, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
Sure.
How are you doing?
How are you doing?
And they're talking for a few minutes and Don realizes this isn't going anywhere.
So he goes, do you mind?
This is the first album I ever purchased.
Do you mind signing?
He goes, sure.
Yeah, sure.
Oh, you got something I can sign it with.
And he hands him the album, hands him the Sharpie and Brian Wilson looks at Don Henley.
He has the album.
Many writes to Don looks at him again.
Thank you for all the great music.
And then he slows down, looks at Don Henley, scratches out the word great and writes good.
And then signs his name as a witness who saw it happen.
And another friend of mine who played in Don's band said, I've seen it.
I've seen it.
It's framed in Don Henley's house.
Rest in peace to Brian Wilson, whose influence goes all the way down to Paul Bearer.
That is so great.
Right in front of him crosses out great and puts good.
Love that story mark from Prairie to sack.
He's in the 6080 else's and that was before the more recent revelations I don't like anyone who prays on people totally with you mark and I assume that's what you meant when you said Danny Masterson So mark mark had enough just with Danny's character.
I can't even imagine The fall from grace Danny Masterson took in Mark's eyes after those revelations.
I also I found this con.
I thought it was kind of cool 13 is from up north news
Pat Kratlow's operation, 13 famous people who are buried in Wisconsin.
Do you know anybody who is?
You do know one.
Frank Lloyd Wright.
Frank Lloyd Wright is a good one.
Yep, in spring green.
Chris Farley.
Chris Farley is another one, well done.
I didn't look at the shoot, I'm actually trying to guess.
Okay, there's another one, a big one that you'll, if you think hard enough, you'll guess.
And it was semi, well, it was recent.
Oh, it was recent?
Yeah.
You know this guy.
Oh,
Bob Huker.
Bob Huker.
I mean, that's not a surprise, but I was surprised he was on the list.
Here's one I didn't know.
Nicholas Ray is buried at Oak Grove Cemetery in La Crosse.
He was a filmmaker.
He directed Rebel Without.
He directed They Live by Night, and then he also directed Rebel Without a Cause.
Which he wrote the story for actually, I'm not 100% certain if he directed it, but he wrote the story for it I'm gonna pull this up right now and let you know It's always fun I'll have to look after the break, but I thought that was kind of cool Nicholas Ray Director rebel without a cause directed James Dean the other one Eston Hemings Jefferson one of Thomas Jefferson's children that he fathered with a freed slave moved to Madison
Interesting.
With his family in 1852, he and his wife both integrated into the city's white community as he worked as a cabinet maker.
Isn't that crazy?
Thomas Jefferson's kid, a cabinet maker in Madison.
He's deceased now.
All right.
It is a Bar Band Friday night, folks.
Let us know if there's a celebrity you did not want to be related to.
Trump and I are off the list.
Someone else, please.
All right.
Rocker's coming up next on Bar Band Friday night.
It's Pete Schwabba in Night Light.
You've got the Civic Media Radio Network.
And you're jumping on Yes, you're jumping on a fast train Jumping on a fast train
Time to check out original music with Bar Band Friday on Nightlight.
Now your host,
Pete Schwabba, and special guest, Terry Barr.
Welcome back.
Oh, one of my favorite times of the week, folks.
And one of my favorite guests is not here, but Philly Inver here, for her, is also one of my favorite guests.
And he is Terry Barr's co-host on Maxink Radio, which you can hear on WMDX on Saturday nights.
And if you don't live in the Madison area, you can catch the podcast at civicmedia.us.
He's also a musician and a music aficionado.
And he joins us tonight, our
Pell
Rocker.
Hey buddy, how are you?
What's happening, Pete?
How you doing?
Doing great.
How are things in Madison tonight?
Oh, we're doing great.
It's still some great weather hanging out on the deck.
Just got done with dinner.
And again, just had an amazing day.
That's outstanding.
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
And, you know, I haven't talked to you.
I did my show down there for a week and I was going to go to Atwood Fest to get some sound bites, but it
was
raining.
How did that turn out?
I mean, that's your baby, right?
Wow.
Well, you know, yes, yes, I suppose that that would be one way to characterize it.
But I would say that the rain happened like literally in kind of the first
you know, half hour, like before the fast opened.
And then really kind of opened, you know, the first band went on stage and the rain stopped and that was it.
No more rain.
Here's the problem.
We did get some heat, but everybody brave that.
If I had stayed and to see if the rain would have gone away, it would not have
gone
away.
And I would have sat
there for four hours.
So it was good that I left.
I clout
over your head.
Yeah, exactly.
It went a three hour drive too.
Hey, it's great to have you.
I'm excited to see what you brought us because you always bring great stuff, Rocker.
What is on your mind tonight in regard to cool local music?
You know, I'm looking through August coming up and there's a lot of stuff happening in some festivals, some really good gigs.
Tonight actually kicks off Shanks Corners Block Party.
That's a really a favorite street fest here in Madison.
It happens right at the corner of Winnebago and Atwood Avenue.
It just kind of right by where Atwood Fest happens actually.
Yeah.
It's tonight and tomorrow, 1980 at Wood Avenue on Madison's East Side.
It's right by the Alchemy Cafe Ideal Bar, Lake Ridge Bank area.
Yeah.
They have music from five to 10 p.m.
tonight.
So you can actually still get out there tonight to see a couple of bands.
And then Saturday, they'll have music three to 10 p.m.
And some of the highlights are tonight, seesaw, loose shields and nougar knot.
And then also tomorrow,
work, salty dogs, jazz hams.
There's a whole bunch more.
Find them on Facebook.
But I thought I'd bring in a song from a band.
I love these guys work.
They're a six piece funk fusion band from Madison.
They're formed in 2016 and they've won so many awards.
I couldn't even start to name them all.
And I brought this song called dealing with the devil.
And this is work.
Awesome.
Looked to get you out of that door No man left on the floor Cause the pride and the sin that we knew you had Tried again but it made you mad Kicked and shouted but it didn't break Tried to change but it didn't take
They started still, they don't care.
Cause you're dealing with the devil and the devil knows.
You're dealing with the devil and the devil knows.
And just to let your listeners know that's work spelled W U R K if you're going to search them online
and they'll be at the They're at the alchemy cafe.
Is that right?
Or
that is at the shanks corner block party and that's gonna be on Saturday So they'll be Saturday afternoon sometime
outstanding.
Hey, if you've ever heard of a band called Horace Green
Yes, we had them actually at Atwood Fest, not this year, but the year before.
They did say that.
That's right.
We had them in the studio last night.
Man, those guys were fun.
Amazing.
Great stuff.
I just, they just got put out a new song.
I believe it's called Cream.
Yeah.
And we have it here at Maxink.
I'll be playing it tomorrow night on Maxink Radio.
Oh, very cool.
Okay.
Maxink Radio, WMDX tomorrow from six to nine, right?
That's right.
All right.
69 p.m.
And you can go to civic media dot us slash maxink radio and then stream it there live as well.
Fantastic.
That's awesome.
Okay.
So who we have next here?
Let's see Ross Thorn
Ross Thorne, he's from Duluth, Minnesota.
He's a folk Americana singer-songwriter and he's teamed up with the Spine Steelers.
They're from Madison.
They're a folk Americana kind of duo here in Sun Prairie in Madison.
And we've had them on Max and Grady on the past and they're touring together.
And right now they're on the far away tour and they've been through Colorado, the Pacific Northwest, and they're coming back to Madison Friday, August 22nd at the High Noon Saloon.
And then they're off to
Milwaukee at the Falcon Bowl on the 23rd of August.
Far away is Ross Thorn on background vocals in Banjo, Clark Singleton on bass.
Jacob Mahon on acoustic guitar and then Kate Ruland and Emma O'Shea on vocals and they are the spine stealers.
So they recorded this at Peckarderm Studios in Cannon Falls.
This is brand new.
We've got it for you tonight.
This is Ross Thorne featuring the spine stealers from the new album.
This is called Far
Away.
Pray that my dreams might carry me Far from the city that's been holding me down Somewhere far across the sea Far away, far away Pray that my dreams might carry me Without heavy heart
I love
Americana folk.
That's so great.
I love the banjo.
Yeah, that's Ross Thorn.
So, you know, he he paired up with the spine Steelers.
from down here in Madison, they're touring around and now they're coming home back to Wisconsin.
So that's a, a brand new song.
That's kind of a collaboration between the two.
So that's pretty cool.
It's like right out of the soundtrack of a, oh brother, we're art thou.
It sounded a little bit.
That's great.
Maybe.
Yeah.
All right.
Dogtown hollow.
They are playing Friday, August 22nd at the Baroque on Winnebago on Madison's East side.
They're going to be playing with the also Rans.
And Dogtown Hollow just put out a new sophomore EP.
It's called Watch Your Step.
They recorded it at DNA Music Labs here in Madison.
It's kind of a country funk, this brand new Dogtown Hollow playing at the borough.
August 22nd, this song is called Seven
Sisters.
The moon and stars above will guide.
Shadows on the midnight ice.
Trees are talking and you feel alive.
There's a wolf that cries.
There's a wild wolf that cries.
There's a wolf that cries.
There's a wild wolf that cries.
Landmarks tell the stories of old.
I gotta
tell you, I am not a huge country music fan, but the way all these genres kind of fuse together lately, that sounds fantastic.
They are good, huh?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, maybe they put down country funk, but you know, it's like Americana.
Yeah, it's bluesy.
It's even a little poppy at times.
Totally.
That's great.
Uh, rocker is my guest.
He's filling in for Terry Bartonite here on Barbie on Friday night.
Uh, you can catch his show Max, Inc.
Radio from six to nine PM on WMDX, or you can stream it at civicmedia.us or listen to the podcast at civicmedia.us.
It's a great show.
Check it out.
We're talking about Wisconsin music and, uh, he is the guy to talk to.
So, um,
Mad Trucker gone mad.
Is that the name of the band rocker?
Is that
a song?
It is.
I love
that.
Oh, Mad Trucker gone mad.
Some good friends of mine.
They came out during the mid to late nineties and they were quite popular, kind of a punk band, little, little kind of on the front end of cow punk, actually, you know, if you think about it.
And they don't play often anymore.
That is for sure.
But there's some stuff going on with cross station records.
Their record labels turn in 30.
So they're going to get out and they're going to do a show.
It's going to be the only Wisconsin show or the only show for Mad Trucker gone mad this year.
And it's going to be a club Garibaldi in Bayview in Milwaukee on August 24th.
And
They're going to be with sad laser and front of truck.
And so are you ready for some, uh, some cow punk?
Yeah.
I love the name of this song too.
Lay
it on me.
The name of this song is called, she don't like me when I'm drunk.
This is mad trucker gone mad.
She don't like me when I'm drunk and I can't stand her when I'm sober.
Every girl that guy has ever dated is going to wonder if she's the
inspiration for that song.
It sounds
like
a John
Prine song title, and then when you hear it, it's like, oh, no, that's definitely different.
That's great.
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Matt Trucker gone mad.
That was from 2016, by the way, and that's a little bit of a throwback.
They will be at Club Caribaldi in Milwaukee, August 24th, the only Wisconsin show.
Don't miss it.
Love it.
That's great.
Middleton Good Neighbor Festival.
You heard of that?
I have.
I've heard of that.
I've never been.
Saturday, August 22nd, it starts.
It's the 22nd through the 24th Middleton Good Neighbor Festival started in 1964.
And they just moved to a new location there in South Beach.
They're having a pirate summer theme this year.
And, uh, some of the highlights include angels and outlaws on the 22nd, the mascot theory on the 23rd.
That shows at 5 30 road trip from up in the Fox Valley down here on the 23rd, Reverend Raven and the chain smoke and altar boys featuring West side.
And he'll be doing a set.
Tim Daniel span.
And then on the 24th highlights include the red hot horn dogs.
And the good neighbor festival is held the last weekend of August in Fireman's Park in Middleton every year.
Um, mascot theory, they're going to be playing there.
Madison based Americana band.
They have a Kickstarter for their new album that's coming in October and frontman Eric Jelland.
Uh, he's making a comeback after surgery for potentially fatal brain condition he had.
And the new album Cosmic Kitten Run draws from the wreckage of those life altering experiences and reshapes them into something resonant.
and unflinching, and we have a song from that.
You can find more information at TheMaskottTheory.com.
Right now, this is the opening song from their album, Every Sign of Life.
This is piece by piece.
We're
going to rock it.
We're going to play this when we come back.
We're going to do a very short
break.
Don't go anywhere, folks.
Maskott Theory rocks, and they're fantastic.
We're coming right back on Nightline on Barband Friday night.
Everybody's got a place to hide Everybody wants their sun to shine Everybody's on a rollercoaster ride Everybody's got a lesson to be learned Everybody's skipping lines to take their turn Everybody cross bridges as they burn After everything I still believe In the ruins of tragedy
Everybody's got a boat to row Everybody loves an afterglow Everybody keep one hand on your phone
That was Mascot Theory piece by piece.
I absolutely love Mascot Theory.
Eric Jellin has been on the show before the break.
Our guest tonight, Rocker, set up that great song by Mascot Theory.
He's filling in tonight for Terry Barr for Bar Band Friday Night.
They must have been on Maxing Radio several times.
I would imagine Mascot
Theory.
Yes, several times for sure.
Oh, we love those guys.
They performed on the show.
We interviewed them.
and we've been a part of some of the shows that they've put together, Flannel Fest, just an amazing guy, amazing character, and the band's just a great band as well.
That's outstanding.
All right, we probably got time for one more rocker.
What are you thinking here?
We got People's Brothers Band and Orton Park.
Yeah, let's talk about the People Brothers Band, because you know, that one's up in your neck of the woods there in Green Bay.
That's right.
And in the Yard Concert Series, that's Thursday, August 28th, doors at six, shows at seven.
That's next to the Tarleton Theater.
Now, I've never been there.
You're up in Green Bay.
Have you been there?
Tarle has been on the show.
I've been by it.
I've never been inside it, but I know they're having a film festival there and I'm supposed to do something with MC or something coming up.
So I'm excited.
It's supposed to be just an
absolute
treasure.
Yeah.
Well, this is, you know, next to it in the food truck area, right?
So free admission, food trucks, craft beverages.
It's the final show of the year.
And this one, they have the People Brothers Band.
So I thought we'd play something from a little throwback from them, from their Love Electric album in 2018.
This is called That Feeling, the People Brothers
Band.
Love touch the sky, love bit the ground I'm gonna take my time, I'll go where I'm needed Tell me I'm right, the enemy is easy You've got that feeling, you've got that feeling, you got that feeling
What do
you call that?
like that genre.
That's a really cool sound.
Kind of just rock, R&B, little bit of soul.
It's all fused together like you were saying before.
Yeah, it's
so great.
I mean, I love the People Brothers band.
That's just what they are.
It's the People Brothers band.
They're just people, you know?
Yeah.
There's more good people than there are bad people.
What very well said hey, I wanted to ask you to your your friends with Eric of mascot theory How is he doing?
Is he and you've been through your health issues in the last year?
You're
crushing
it.
How is Eric doing?
Well, last I talked to him.
He was doing pretty good He was he was out on vacation with his family hanging out so in there rehearsing with the band getting ready for the upcoming shows
Um, so I mean, I'm sure he's got to be really feeling good, uh, kind of similar to me.
You know, I have our, my comeback show will be September 14th with iron plow at the crystal in Madison.
And it's going to, you know, I'm, you know, working out all the time, get myself prepared for it.
You know, uh, you got to, got to be in shape if you want to play at the highest level these days.
So, um, you know, it's important.
And I think that he's doing the same thing.
That's fantastic.
Uh,
Buddy, thank you so much for filling in for Terry.
It's always fun to connect
with you.
Thank you.
You
guys are both great and cannot thank you enough.
Have a great weekend.
Thanks.
Anytime, Pete.
You got it.
All
right.
Anytime.
That's Rocker.
Check out Maxing Radio Saturday nights from 6 to 9 p.m.
on WMDX live or you can stream it at civicmedia.us and you can check out all of their podcasts too and get lost in them.
They do great work and it's a great show.
Award-winning show, Conrad.
Did you know that?
Oh, yeah.
Let's make a note to have Rocker back before that September 14th.
That's a
pretty cool thing.
He's doing there for him.
So I'm going to write that down right now.
You say something while I write this down.
I need to, I got to get my vocal chords arrest here.
Well, Pete,
I don't know.
I tied Trump for unlikeability tonight.
That's all
I want to say.
You can't talk anymore.
I watched a lot of Tacoma FD last night.
Oh, no way.
A lot.
And I could say it just keeps, it just keeps getting funnier.
Every episode I'm laughing hysterically.
It is such a good show.
You know, it makes me want to be a fireman.
What you know, that's not like what
they do
I know I know that is on my list or I'm gonna check out the Spike Lee film this weekend and then I'm also going to check out an episode or two of Tacoma FD and Probably being a little overly ambitious here, but I want to watch Alien Earth as well.
So I got a lot of color television to watch
And we got David Zucker, folks.
Monday night, that's exciting.
I know I've talked about that a lot, but I'm very excited to talk to David about his masterpieces that are airplane, the naked gun, and top secret.
If you have not seen top secret, Val Kilmer is so funny as Nick Rivers.
It's such a great movie and it's that same type of humor with airplane the naked gun highly recommended But tune in for my discussion with David 635 on Monday Thank you so much to Lisa Hale for being on the show tonight and talking Dexter and thank you to rocker for filling in for his compadre terry bar tonight Anything you want to add Conrad before we
go on watch some movies this
yeah
Lots of great movies to see, so much TV to watch, so little time folks.
Have a great weekend.
On behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying goodnight
Wisconsin.
That's
what I'm talking about right there.
That is some, uh, the theme music from the show, The Wire.
And it's a perfect lead-in, folks, because, uh, my next guest is a big fan of the show, and you know him from Civic Media, his amazing work he does here.
He is the founder of the Recombobulation area here at Civic Media, but you also know him as a good Milwaukee guy, a lover of all things sports, entertainment, and specifically politics.
Mr. Dan Schaefer joins us now on Nightlight.
Hey, buddy!
Mr. Schwab,
wonderful to finally join you here.
We've been talking about this.
To talk about the greatest show of all time, HBO's The Wire.
It's fantastic.
I have been looking forward to this.
How are you?
How are you doing tonight?
I'm doing well, you know where it's been a crazy week in and around Milwaukee with the floods that we've been experiencing here We're we lucked out.
We were not really didn't have any any damage at our place We live on the top of a hill on the west side of Milwaukee So right up but just down the river or just down the hill from us is the Menominee River And right up there is where you've seen a lot of these flood videos from you know downtown Wauwatosa the Tosa village area and up and through
the river there.
I spent some time today getting some video and footage for the news team here in Germantown where there was water covering like four lanes of traffic on a fairly large road.
It's just been absolutely crazy.
And so, yeah, it's been a lot, but wonderful to join you here to talk about.
A little escape
for you, Dan, maybe?
A little escape.
Yeah, there we
go.
Do you have a least favorite professional sports or least favorite professional sport?
Yeah, I saw you you guys were talking about that before that beforehand here.
I Think I'm gonna agree with you Pete.
I'm not a golf fan.
So not a I'm not a golfer I you know, I played a little bit when I was younger
but I just like, I couldn't really get into it at all.
And then watching it, it's just like watching paint dry.
It's just, it's just the most boring, perfect sport to be watching at all.
And it's just like you quiet watching the guy walk up to the, to the tee and it's just, it's the most boring one to watch.
But you know what?
I will say though, that I think this is a really, I'm kind of fascinated by like all the weird sports that you guys have been talking about too.
And just like,
I really like watching Sports Center this time of year because you're like in the middle of August and there's no.
you know, there's no drama happening in any professional sport right now, right?
We're past the all star break in baseball.
We're not quite yet to the post season, you know, pre season football is just getting started.
The NBA is fully in its off season mode.
So you just don't have anything going on.
And it's just funny to see, you know, these sports center anchors try to fill time, you know, talking about whatever is going on here and whatever, you know, and you just get a good variety.
Like I like seeing some WNBA highlights.
because I'm a big basketball fan.
Just seeing random baseball highlights from around the country, that's always good.
But it's a weird time of year for sports.
And the fact that we haven't had, it's not an Olympics year.
There's no World Cup.
This has been a very slow summer for sports.
But you're right, though.
The best thing is watching news anchors try to really sell it.
You know, there's just not a lot going on.
I get a kick out of that.
But yeah, golf is the same.
The best thing that ever happened to golf, in my opinion, was the movie Catty Shack.
So that's my extent of my love for golf right there.
100% with you there.
All right, so let's jump in.
Oh, I wanted to tell you too, Dan.
I think you had a big influence.
Pardon me on Governor Evers deciding not to run again, and I'm not gonna say it was all you Dan But you know you're a pretty influential guy, and I just hope you don't say the same things about the host of nightlight because I like this gig
so
I'm all for another term for Pete Schwab on Nightlight.
Let's jump into the whole reason you're here.
Well, we'd have you here anyway, but the show, The Wire, tell me what you love about it and how you first discovered it and why you love it, Dan.
Well, I really do think, you know, we're in this kind of golden age of TV, right?
For the past, you know, however many years, you know, starting to get kind of like the cinematic type of approach to television that really began, I think, with HBO in the early 2000s in a lot of ways.
And so I didn't...
And and I think one of the shows that I loved at the time was lost And once I started getting into lost then I started like branching out into other shows And I found
I found the wire.
I want to say it was like late 2007 or early 2008 when I was in college and just really started to get it.
I don't watch a lot of like the law and order type shows typically, but people kept telling me to check this one out.
So I got into it and once I got about halfway through the first season, I was just absolutely hooked.
I had to watch everything as fast as I possibly could.
The characters are so rich.
The acting is so well done.
The writing is on another level.
It's like the
I really do think it's kind of the great American novel.
of this era that David Simon and the rest of the team there were able to portray and then each season just kind of revealing another layer of the city of Baltimore.
The first season really starting with the police and the drug trade and that element of how that impacted the city and then really opening things up to the port in the second season and really taking what seemed like a kind of a wild left turn
But it just goes I think that you know the real kind of through line theme of the show is that all the pieces matter and they really went through all of the pieces in so many rich detailed and Often funny ways like that.
You know, I don't think people really think of the wire as a funny show
On the surface, but so many so many of the characters all of any bunk McNulty scenes.
You know, there's there's so many great stuff Throughout the show and I think it does I think it the fact that it has a little bit of a sense of humor to it Makes it all the more real and really brings it all home and then of course, you know I'm the political editor here, right?
So once they start getting into the politics of it all I was super interested in that and and I still think the the fourth season of the show when they when they bring it
on this cast of kids who were, what is it, middle school age kids?
Yeah.
Kind of this coming of age piece of it and how that was conflicting with the rest of what was going on in Baltimore that they were showing.
I think that is still the single greatest season of TV ever made.
And it's such a great, very well said, Dan, but that's such a great season too, because isn't that, didn't they call back the Presbyluske character?
in the way they worked him back in.
He was a cop and I think he shot a couple people or his gun went off and he had to leave.
Now he's a teacher and they worked that back in.
So they're great at that too, but you said something I really agree with.
What I love about the wire is it's got
little bit of everything but it also takes its time like there's no big action sequence or they HBO let them do what the producers wanted to do like and you you mentioned comedy and it's great but it's realistic when they cut
cut their ties off, like when one of them falls asleep and they'll cut
their goers.
And I think somebody cuts Bunk's tie off and kisses the tie and sticks them.
It's just, it's a treasure.
The show is just, and like you said, to go five seasons, but 12 episodes, they're not doing the broadcast TV 26 episodes where they're just pulling at everything to try to make it entertaining.
All the seasons are tight.
And from the first time we meet Avon Barksdale and his crew in season one, I would agree with you.
I love the season with the kids in four, but I think my favorite is probably season three when Bunny Colvin becomes a character.
For those of you listening, my guest is Dan Schaefer.
He is our political editor here at Civic Media and the founder of the Reconbobulation Area.
He does such great work.
Follow him on Twitter, follow him here at Civic Media.
And he is a huge fan, as am I, of the show, The Wire.
So that's what we're talking about here tonight.
Bunny Colvin in season three shows up and he gets the go-ahead to make a certain area where people can buy drugs.
and they hand out condoms.
And all this stuff happens in this one area and the crime rates and the rest of the city go down.
But they have an issue.
What did you think of that season, Dan?
I really I bunny colvin is on the very short list of my favorite characters on the show and I thought that was Such a smart way to to bring these things in and the way that you know He was just kind of being this like renegade police captain and then eventually that conflicted with what was happening in city hall and with the campaigns and You know how it even impacted you know that just kind of like
you know, the junky characters that they had on the show too.
And it's just like all of a sudden there's, you know, some public health component to get like a, like you said, their condoms are clean, you know, different things like that.
So, yeah, I thought that was, that was so interesting.
And the way that, you know, that that connected to the following season too, because Bunny Colvin tried the whole
thing with Amsterdam that they called it in season three, season three.
And then the way it connects to he also goes back to one of the schools in season four and talks to the talks to the boys.
And I thought, you know, it's not a show that has a lot of happy endings.
Right.
It's not it's it's a tragedy in a lot of ways.
Correct.
The story, the
The arc that has a true happy ending involves Bunny Colvin and one of the boys from that fourth season.
And that final shot of, what was it, Naimond, was that his name?
I'm bad with names.
The boy that basically Bunny Colvin had taken in by the end of the season.
Oh yeah.
And there's that shot there at the nice part of Baltimore and they're just looking over the street corner and it's just like this serene image and he just finally made it and that just really sticks with me.
It's just, you know, the payoff of that, you know, you have the, like you said, everything is so dense and detailed and rich and these storylines really pay off.
And that's one of them with Bunny Colvin and all the struggles that he went with as a police captain with city hall, all the, all of the different things and the fact that, you know, he is part of one of the positive.
storylines in the show, I thought was just phenomenal.
Absolutely.
Bunny Colvin, played by Robert Wisdom, he's one of my favorite.
characters too, and he has that great, you're right, he's really, I identify him with season three more, but you're right, he had a big part in season four.
Here's a clip of Bunny Colvin, I wanna play this, it's about a minute and a half long, and the character Bubbles, who is such a, another tragic character that you just love.
Do we have time for the clip, Con?
We can play it coming out of the break if we don't.
Yeah, we gotta.
It's about a minute and a half, and we got two minutes left.
All right, so if we keep talking like this, we're running out of time.
Yes.
We'll play it when we come back from the break.
But Bunny Colvin, in the clip, I'll just set up, Bubbles is a great tragic character.
And you're right, Dan, the show is a tragedy, but the little victories are what make it worth watching.
And it's just like real life.
You have this great thing, and you've got this police captain or lieutenant, whatever Bunny was, who thinks outside the box.
And Bubbles is teaching a guy how to scavenge.
Basically what happened in season three, they had this, I don't remember what they called it, but it was the place where you could go buy condoms and drugs and there was no violence.
And police weren't beating on people and the drug dealers weren't robbing each other.
And it was like, things had calmed down.
But for political reasons, they knocked down the entire, it was like a four block city, a four block radius.
And it's Bunny just standing there, looking over the wreckage of this,
concept that he had that worked and then Bubbles teaching a guy a fellow drug addict how to scavenge and look for metal and turn that in for money and he and Bunny have such a great
Just a great report.
They have this quick little conversation, and we'll play that right when we come back.
Dan Schaefer is here, folks.
I also forgot Dan Jamie Hector's in that show, and I love Jamie Hector.
He plays Marlowe.
So we'll talk more about the wire with our guest Dan Schaefer after this very short break, and we're gonna play the clip I was just discussing.
It's Pete Schwabba in Nightlight, and it's great to have you here on this Tuesday night in the beautiful state of Wisconsin.
When it hit
our star
And it
breaks my heart When it hit our fall
I hope you're listening, because I'm trying to school you here.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
You don't want to know.
Well, you think you're blind, but you're still green.
How you doing?
That's something, huh?
I feel like it took a bigger race than love to cross it.
No, but before, a dope fiend come down here, cop a little something, they ain't narrowing it so hassle them.
Hoppers and police, they ain't just letting them be.
That's a good thing, huh?
I'm just saying.
People probably don't know, but there's love out there, baby.
Cops be back banging on you.
Hoppers be messing with you.
Man, thank you.
Coppers and hoppers, Dan.
They were leaving people alone.
Bubbles is so funny.
I love the way he used to say, hey, McNulty, hey, McNulty, hey, McNulty.
He's hard to understand sometimes, but he's such a great character.
And that's an example of what I was saying before about how the show just takes its time.
They're just looking over this wreckage and they're letting it breathe.
Absolutely.
So few shows really do that, the
way
that the wire does.
And I think that's part of what makes it so great.
People will do their list of the best shows of all time, and it'll be The Sopranos or Breaking Bad or whatever it might be.
Whenever people ask me that, it's just like the arguments for a second.
The wire is number one if we want to have the argument about you know whether it's the you know Sopranos or Mad Men or whatever the show is that second place we can have that but nothing really has approached what the wire was able to do and with such a
You know each season added so many characters to the cast too and you get all the way to the end and they're weaving so many of these storylines And through it and it's just just remarkable storytelling
Were you familiar with David Simon's work before the wire Dan either on homicide life on the street or his work as a reporter?
He's such a fascinating guy the creator of the wire
I mean, I knew of homicide life on the street.
It wasn't a show that that I really watched a whole lot of But yeah, you know, I learned about his All of his stuff through the wire and like I got all the DVDs when they came out back when there were DVDs and all
of
like the behind the scenes inside looks I just like ate all of that up and there was a guy that he worked with there.
I Think his name was Ed Burns.
Yeah,
who was an actual police detective with
that he had worked with, that he was like basically a source for-
And a
teacher.
And a teacher so he was able to really bring that knowledge of you know I think they based a lot of characters off of real people in Baltimore and all of that too and and I think there were some characters too that just they just leapt off the screen and they made them regulars like the Omar character who I think is probably the most iconic character from
the show
at this point like he was he was not supposed to survive past the first season and he became
and the late Michael K. Williams, phenomenal, phenomenal actor.
It's brought so much to that role that they were just like, well, we've got to keep him on.
We've
got to
keep Omar going.
And of course, we've got so many of the most iconic scenes from the show are Omar scenes.
In those of you listening, Omar is a character who robs drug dealers.
And he makes no bones about it.
He walks down an alley in whistles to let people know he's coming.
And he's also gay.
He's just a very complex, cool character.
Like, not cliche in any way.
He was just such a different, and I always meant to Google or research if that was based on a real person.
I don't, I'm not sure that it was.
I think his character was kind of like a combination of a few different people from Baltimore.
But like that, that character, that type of character, I mean, this show came out in 2002.
Right.
You know, you have.
Yeah.
a gay black guy who robs drug dealers being like the most lovable character of the show who came out in 2002.
It's just a sub groundbreaking at so many levels.
Do you
have a favorite character?
Everybody always has like a favorite character question.
It's funny, Dan.
I tried to make a list earlier and I had Bunny first.
I had Bunkin McNulty, a tie is kind of a package deal because they were so funny.
Love Omar.
Lester Freeman is kind of a forgotten character.
And he's the guy that actually runs the wire.
And he's just kind of this old weathered kind of wise dude.
So he was on my list and I love Lieutenant Daniels Lance Reddick who passed away also.
And I loved him on Bosch.
So, but what about you?
Well, you you mentioned him Lester Freeman's my favorite character on the show the guy who's who's has all the knowledge and all the patience To follow everything through and I think
he
was the guy the real like moral compass of like the police group because McNulty would be Taking things too far in certain ways or or whatever it might be other guys might be focused on the wrong type of objective in their mission Lester was always kept it cool always kept it kept it focused and as it was always the
The smartest guy in the room.
Very cerebral, yeah.
I liked Kima, Gregg's too.
She has such a cool voice and she was just like this gritty street cop, loved her character as well.
Can we keep you for a few more minutes after the news Dan?
I've got a great clip of Omar in court and so we'll do that.
I know the clip you're talking about.
Yeah and I want to get your opinion too when we come back Dan of the season where they
deal with the Baltimore Sun in the dying newspaper, because I thought that was maybe not the most exciting season, but fascinating in its own right.
Dan Schaefer is here, folks.
He is the political editor here at Civic Media and the founder of the Reconbobulation Area.
Peach Wabba and Nightlight, act two coming up next on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
I'm not gonna sleep through it.
Oh, this is Pete Schwabba and Nightlight.
Welcome back, folks.
Great to have you with me on this Wednesday.
And it's not because I was just taking sips of coffee, but I've been drinking coffee all day, so this is gonna be a
long night.
No, I didn't drink coffee this morning, just so, because I knew this was gonna happen
tonight.
That's a very responsible behavior.
I have water
instead.
But the reason, you probably would have been sharper, and you would have moved your car, though.
I don't know that.
You had a little job.
That was last night.
Oh, okay.
Then
I did that.
Gotcha.
All right.
Well, great stuff.
Thank you to Big B Coffee.
That was fun.
All right.
So this is exciting, folks, because like we so often do here on Night Light, we are about to talk movies and TV with one of our frequent flyers.
He is a writer for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He covers entertainment and covers it very well.
And he is a frequent guest here, as I mentioned, Chris Foren joins us now.
Hey, Chris.
Hey, Pete, how are you?
How are you
today?
Doing very well.
I understand we're interrupting your vacation, so I extra appreciate your time tonight, but maybe you're already bored on vacation, I don't know.
Well, I'm coming to spend a chunk of the day with my grandson, so this is as relaxed as I'll get.
Okay, very good.
Well, we're happy to help in that case.
Is it kind of a staycation, Chris?
Those are fun, too.
Yeah, we had stuff we had to get done.
Okay.
Yeah, we've done a lot of traveling, so this is a year to stay home.
That's the way to do it.
All right.
Very good.
Do you have a, uh, our question to the night, Chris, is what is a movie or TV set where you would feel most at home or you'd want to exist in that world?
Do you have one?
Well, it's hard to say.
I mean, I, when, when I was growing up, I was convinced my parents were Robin, Laura Petrie.
So I would think the Petrie's also might be one.
Um, although people don't know me.
In more recent years would probably think of me living in the swamp on mash.
That's more likely.
Oh, that's you don't want to live there.
That's terrible.
Although you get one of those Hawkeye martinis, which is supposed to be pretty good.
I
got a Hawkeye martini set with a blue cowboy hat and red robe for my college graduation.
And if you lived on the set of Dick the Dick Van Dyke show, you have to live in black and white.
So it's it's well.
You know, it's like Wizard of Oz that people complain about the first half being in black and white, but the truth is Kansas isn't black and white.
So maybe maybe my life isn't black.
It's hard to say.
Well, but easier probably on some level.
Let's jump in and talk some movies here, Chris.
You said you're behind, but you've certainly seen a ton of stuff.
What did you think of Superman?
I like that.
I thought it was really interesting if you watch.
superhero movies, and especially the Marvel ones, every single movie, they're saving the planet, the galaxy, everything.
Superman saves a squirrel.
in one scene.
Right.
I mean, he's doing big stuff, but it was almost intentionally dialed back in that sense.
And I thought that was okay.
Yeah.
I'm a big, I'm a big Rachel Brosnahan fan.
We love to claim that she's from Milwaukee.
I think she moved to Chicago when she was like four, but we always the paper, you know, we, you know, that, that counts.
If you drove through that counts.
Yeah.
And her parents took her, she would have stayed, but you know, she wasn't really calling the shots at four.
So we can forgive her.
It was solid.
I mean, I, you know, I, I mean, it's setting up something, you know, setting up a franchise or something.
So that's always kind of annoying.
I
was thrilled.
We didn't see the origin story because I don't want to see those anymore.
Yes.
You know, it's funny.
A lot of people have said that and I, I didn't even realize it while I was, I mean, I guess I noticed that at some point I was like, Oh, there's no real backstory here.
And I'm fine with that.
They got right into it.
And would you agree, Chris, that like,
I'm not a technical expert at all, but the CGI in Superman and Jurassic Park, it has just, I think it's there.
It just looks great.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's, you know, it's, it's one of those things I always talk about with James Cameron movies is that, you know, in Titanic, you spend about three seconds saying, wow, look at that bohem, impressive that looks.
And after, you know, if you get past that, you think, why are these things?
It's dumb.
But, but, but because the technology is so, he does it so well.
You don't, you don't notice it as technology.
You don't see the string showing.
I think, yeah, I think all of these movies now, you know, if you watch them on TV, sometimes it looks different, but in the theater, you know, I mean, if you think about, you know, like something like the Avengers Endgame movie where there's millions of creatures battling off, I mean, you're not questioning any of it.
You know, that's, that's the goal, right?
I mean, the goal is you're not asking what's going on.
And I totally agree with you.
I mean, I want story above and beyond anything else.
I don't even care if the picture looks great if I'm invested in the characters of the world.
But I do like that, you know, in the past, it seems like sometimes the CGI would almost take you out of it.
But when Superman was flying, it's like, well,
what I always say is I don't want to see the strings show.
And I mean, I don't want to think about the fact that it's a movie.
I don't care.
I do want to plot.
I do love dialogue.
I'm a word person.
Yeah.
If the world they're creating is consistent and it doesn't make any sense, that's fine by me too.
I think of a movie like Shaun of the Dead, for example, Edgar Wright is very good at this, where he creates these worlds where everything makes sense in its own world.
And it's obviously very hard to do because not everybody does it.
Nicely put.
What about Fantastic Four?
I still haven't seen it.
I'm not a superhero guy to begin with, but I know Conrad saw Fantastic Four.
What did you think about it again, Con?
I really liked it.
Okay.
I heard somebody else that really liked it too and said it was the best Fantastic Four movie they had seen.
What are your thoughts?
Which is not, for most people, it's not a super high bar.
The first one that nobody saw was one I think that like, I forget, like Roger Corman made or something.
That's gonna be very good.
And then the one after that is pretty good.
The trick is making those characters connect, and I think they do a lot of that well in this movie.
But it was also, again, it was a set up movie.
And again, they didn't show the origin, really, just more in Flashback, which was nice.
I mean, it's such a good cast.
I mean, this is sort of like, I think every third movie this summer had either Pedro Pascal
or Vanessa
Kirby, or both, you know?
And I think they're all really solid.
And I was hoping, because there's in the,
in the movie Thunderbolts that came out earlier this year.
There's a post-credits scene where we see the Fantastic Four ship coming in, which was, oh great, they're gonna figure out a way to connect them to the present time.
And they didn't really bring that up in this movie.
Who's movie set in the 60s?
It's some kind of, kind of like a Jetsons version of the 60s.
He's taking time off this week to be with us here for a few minutes on nightlight tonight.
Mr. Chris foreign We are coming right back after the news with more movie and TV talk with our pal Chris foreign speech while but at nightlight on the civic media radio network
I'm Pete Schwabba.
This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.
Another great show tomorrow night, folks.
Jane Mattenair from Mattenair on air.
We'll be here to make the popcorn pick at 6.35, where we give you a movie suggestion every week and on the first segment on Thursday.
And then kind of tell us about Horace Green, a great band.
Yeah, they're a band that was just at Mile of Music.
And I recently found them because I was doing the Kristen Lyrely show.
And she called the music for her intro.
And it was phenomenal.
So I had to reach out.
They're great.
I'm excited to have them here.
They will be in studio tomorrow night as well.
And another cool thing, David Zucker will be here on Monday night, folks, at 6.35.
The creator of Airplane and Top Secret and Naked Gun.
He will join us at 6.35 on Monday.
Very much looking forward to that.
Right now, we've got one of our favorites on the line.
He covers entertainment for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and he drops by here often to talk movies and TV or pal Chris Foran.
Chris, I have, let's start with the heady stuff in this segment.
Happy Gilmore too.
What are your thoughts?
Well,
I did the campaign here is I am, I'm not an enormous, I'm not a hater at all.
Same.
You know, like I, it is interesting to me.
I have the same, he's in the same boat for me as well.
Farrell is, it makes me feel prudish because like the safer, the more PG 13 it is, the more I seem to like it.
A lot of Adam Sandler's movies he tends to surround himself with people who tell it don't tell him, you know cut and Happy Gilmore is is fine.
It's very sweet.
It's very much like the wedding singer and You know, it has a few scenes that go on too long, but most of these movies have scenes that go on forever Yeah, I this felt like more like the ladder to me.
I mean, he's got a long contract with Netflix I'm sure it was something that was filled a contractual obligation
If you love Happy Gilmore, you might like some of it.
I didn't hate it, but it was time I won't be getting back.
What about Ed Gein, the Netflix monster series?
You wrote about this recently in the journal Sentinel.
Such an odd figure, but a great cast.
They showed, I never know how to say his last name.
Hunnam, I think, or Hunnam.
I
think it's Hunnam,
yeah.
Hunnam.
And he looks really good.
And I love Laurie Metcalf, great
cast.
Yeah, she's fantastic.
And she's going to be the mother.
Yeah.
She's
supposed to be this repressive religious zealot who he becomes simultaneously freaked out by and obsessed by.
And you can see her as Norman Bates' mother easily.
Right.
Okay, and then I have to ask you, we also had one of our, I think it might have been Jimmy Kuska, K-pop demon hunters, one of the most streamed movies.
I'm very aware of it.
I haven't seen it.
Who is it for and what did you think of it, Chris?
Well, it's an animated movie about a girl group, a K-pop girl group who also happened to be demon hunters.
one of them has a secret and there's all sorts of you know in between these wacky pop songs are these wacky battles with demons and um it is a much of anything but it's hugely popular not not just in i mean it's in it's in english you know and it's on netflix so everything's in english right and it
It's it's it's fine.
The soundtrack is is like a number one seller worldwide.
It's huge It's crazy.
I know and I mean it's big enough that they're bringing it back They're bringing it to theater Netflix never shows things in theaters except for the two that they own and they won one in Los Angeles One in New York to do that so they can qualify for award stuff,
right?
They always whenever they say it's gonna be in theaters It's never gonna be in theaters really here, but they're bringing it to theaters in like a sing-along version next weekend
Oh, the 20
or the 23rd and 24th.
I think which should tell you
You know, there's obviously they feel like there's money to grab on this.
It's it is if you have kids, I think kids would love it if they like pop music It's fine.
It's pleasant.
You know, it's it's it's it's it's a phenomenon though I mean then and there's some of that there's a lot of that this summer also coming I think it's next weekend is a an animated another animated movie from Asia's ones from China called Asia to To see whoa, it's up, you know, like a boy who's a superhero character They're bringing it back to theaters this time.
It's dubbed in English
It is the number one, it is the top grossing movie of all time worldwide.
Whoa, really?
And it came out, it came out this year and it just blew the lid off everything, everywhere.
Huge in China, but it did very well here as well.
Now, obviously there's an audience for this stuff.
And as, if you look at the box up and stuff, I know, I know her buddy Matt Miller talks about this stuff a lot too.
Kids movies do very well.
these days.
So
that's part of the drive.
But I don't know that anybody thought it would be a phenomenon that it is.
So it's for cultural reasons.
It's on Netflix is worth checking
out for sure.
You did in our email exchange earlier, Chris, you said you saw Opus, which you said you thought I saw and didn't like I did not see that.
So I don't think that was me you were thinking of.
But what is that?
I'm not even familiar with that.
It's a really odd movie that came out in theaters earlier this year.
It's on each that's not streaming on HBO Max about
This reclusive rock legend played by John Malkovich who after years of not being heard from invites a bunch of rock journalists to his big Retreat camp compound to hear his new album and what he's really doing is gonna torture them all and Except for a young journalist who's who is earning.
He knows that you know, she'll tell his story Which will help him recruit more people to this cult that he's
And it's it's just odd, but it was it was it was interesting movie I've somebody I thought you had seen it it was but it was one of those movies that no one knew how to market it so no one want to see it and It is not for everyone because it's pretty dark, but right.
There's a lot of that kind of stuff this year.
I think it's I think August is usually the time when people when those studios dump movies They didn't know what to do with and there's a ton of stuff this month that is
Is is looking potentially be really good also very dark.
I you mentioned you saw weapons.
Did you like weapons?
You know, I didn't dislike it Chris.
I think My take on it was kind of like it was almost a great movie like I don't it was just just something that didn't click I really liked barbarian.
I thought it was a lot cleaner Yeah, there's just questions that I was kind of like like it's creepy.
I liked it, but I didn't love it I guess
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, that that's a huge, that's going to be the number one movie, the box office again this week, probably.
Really?
Okay.
But it's up, but movies, but every week for the rest of August, there's this Friday is nobody to, I don't know if you saw nobody, I thought
nobody was terrific.
I liked it a lot.
I'm excited to see the Denzel Washington Spike Lee film too.
Yeah.
If you see it playing in the theater, go see it because it ain't going to be there long.
It's by Apple.
It's an Apple TV movie.
So they'll bury it out there on their streaming service.
It looks great though.
It's based on and highest and highest to lowest is based on a Kierkegaard style crime movie called not Samurai stuff, but crime movie called high and low that is just unbelievably great in Milwaukee.
The Oriental theater is showing highest to lowest and they're showing high and low, which is
nice.
I've heard that's an amazing film.
It is.
It isn't.
It's one of my favorite.
of Kurosawa certainly.
It's in maybe of all time period.
It's just a really solid movie about it in the Jeff in Kurosawa's version.
It's about an industrialist who's a target of a kidnapping plot, but the kidnappers take his chauffeur's son by mistake.
Okay.
Wow.
And so they got to figure out what they're going to do.
And Denzel Washington in this one plays a music mogul, similar stuff going on, but I think the stuff involved in it is different.
Let me guess, he's a music mogul, but he can also kick ass and he used to be special ops or something.
That's everything.
Yeah, I don't, I mean, I, to be honest, I think he plays his age in this a little bit, but I mean, he's still a tough guy.
He stands on Washington.
So, and, and it's, and Spike Lee does a good job with this kind of material, obviously.
Yeah.
But then next week, it's, um, there's a movie called Honey, don't coming out directed by Ethan Cohen.
Oh yeah.
Um, with Margaret quality is kind of a 70s style.
uh, noir thriller where she's a small town private eye who's trying to solve a murder and uncovers this charismatic preacher running some kind of a scam.
The preacher is played by Chris Evans, you know, so that could
be
interesting.
And the week after that, Darren Aronofsky, who either makes really traditional Hollywood movies or crazy stuff like Requiem for a Dream,
has a movie called Caught Stealing with Austin Butler about a guy who does a favor for a friend and ends up being on the run from not one, but three different crime gangs.
I'm excited to see that one.
I was reading about that one.
Chris Voron is my guest, ladies and gentlemen.
Check out his work at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He writes about entertainment.
We got a text from Monica Hale who says, I love superhero movies, but I thought Fantastic Four was slow and boring.
It's like all the actors were on mild sedatives.
Chris, let's talk about, we had our political editor here at Civic Media was on the show last night, big time wire fan, Dan Shaver.
As am I, I love the wire.
Where do you stand on the TV show, The Wire?
I stand in a very sad place.
I haven't seen it.
Oh, okay.
I didn't have HBO when it came out.
And so it's when I got HBO Max, the first thing I put in my
in my stuff folder was the wire.
It's also like 70 seasons, so I haven't braced myself to block the timeout for that yet.
But it is high on my list.
I don't know anybody who doesn't think it's the best show that's ever on television, with the exception of a couple people who are still Sopranos diehards.
The writing is great, the context is great.
What I've seen of it, I've seen portions of it, it looks really
great.
I mean, it'll have to go a long way to be, one of my favorite shows is Justified.
It would have to go a long
way.
Oh, I love Justified.
I love Justified and I was just thinking recently about giving that a rewatch because it's been several years.
It's interesting like the Sopranos, I liked the show a lot.
I gave it a rewatch about a year ago and I liked it less.
I don't, and whereas the wire, I've watched it two times through.
I'm actually really excited for you because you have five seasons and that's an exciting thing.
The last thing I want to talk about, or I have other stuff too, but if we have time, is Carrie Coon.
How great is she?
She's an Emmy again.
I loved her in Fargo.
Loved her in White Lotus 3.
And they're predicting she's going to win.
She has a 65% chance of winning.
This is her third time she's been nominated.
I don't know how they calculate that, but I would love to see
it.
And I'm surprised that she'd be the favorite because there's three people from that show, maybe four nominated in that category.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
That you would think that, I mean, it isn't, it isn't that typical, you know, consistent, not splitting the votes or anything.
Yeah.
She's great in pretty much everything.
She said she's one of the bad guys in the Avengers infinity war and
end
game.
I mean, she's in, and people forget, you know, about that she was in the leftovers and.
and all these other great things.
And as we like to bring up every single time we mention her that, you know, she went to UW-Madison, studied theater.
She was at American Players.
She's, you know, she's, she was in a really great, I thought, went under the radar mostly because it was a Netflix movie.
And if they're not promoting it for an Oscar, it doesn't get any attention to this movie.
I want to say, is it, was it his three daughters, I think?
But these three sisters who come together, take care of their father who's dying.
And it's Elizabeth Olson, Natasha Leone, and Kerry Kuhn.
And she is just, I mean, no surprise.
She's great.
She's great
in everything.
She's fantastic.
The next time you're here, Chris, we'll have to talk to you.
I know you said you've been watching poker face.
I haven't gotten to season two yet, but let's discuss that next time.
In the meantime, I cannot thank you enough.
I know you're on vacation, well-earned.
And thanks so much for jumping on with us as always.
Thanks for having me, as always,
Pete.
You got it.
All right, that's Chris Foran.
Check out his work in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
You will never be bored, folks.
He's a great writer and always fun to talk to.
And the other thing I wanted to talk to him about, Con, that we didn't get to, was the onion put a headline out that said the Fonz statue was taken down in Milwaukee.
Really?
No, it wasn't
an
onion headline.
I did the same thing when I read it, but it was an onion headline, so they wanted to get rid of their greaser past.
That was fantastic.
All right, when we come back, folks, I got a lot of text to get through.
You guys are great tonight on the text line.
We'll cover those next.
Before we get out of here, this is Pete Schwabba in Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
