A Glossary for Our Times (Hour 2)

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Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6.06.

It is a Friday morning, November 7th, 2025.

It is another beautiful morning to have you here up north.

Live from Lake WSOTA, from wherever you're listening across the Civic Media radio network,

or by podcast or watching us on social media.

I know some of you have been waiting for us on social media.

It's not our fault.

You still haven't adjusted to the time change yet because I still haven't adjusted to the time change yet either.

But we're getting there and we'll have the weekend to recover.

I got a question for you.

Who's got good cheese curds?

We're going to talk about that today.

That's part of our question of the day.

Ellie, I'm pretty sure, has that as her question for her Friday newsletter that you can get it up NorthNewsWI.com, you know, because we've talked in the past about your favorite local burger place, your favorite pizza place, burger place.

So I guess we're doing cheese next.

And according to our readers,

Well, I've got a few different suggestions here.

I'm looking at the newsletter right now.

I'm going to rattle off some of these, but in the meantime, if you want to talk up your own hometown Kurds, 855-757.

855-752-4842.

Tell us where we can go next time we're in your hometown.

And we got a hankering.

And by the way, we're doing both sides of the coin here.

We're doing the squeaky fresh ones.

And of course, we're doing the deep fried ones because if there's anything that should be the alternative state motto for Wisconsin is it's we deep fried cheese here.

And maybe just maybe.

Now we're getting really controversial here.

Maybe you only like one or the other.

Maybe you're an aficionado.

I know, right?

And you only like the squeaky stuff, and you think the fried stuff's gross.

Or maybe you're just not a fan of fresh curds, but you deep fry those things, and suddenly they got some serious flavor to them.

And your favorite doesn't have to be from the same place.

I will go ahead and say, as I've said before, Nathanville Dairy on Highway 29 near Curtis.

That's where we get a bag of curds every time for the squeaky stuff.

When we're out to dinner, if we're over at, say, Wasota Lodge on Little Lake, Wasota.

You got to get the cheese curds along with your old fashioned.

So where, where's, where's the guy got to go to get good curds here?

Let's see, uh, from Tony up in Ashland, one of our early risers.

The local has good cheese curds, but the blueberry dipping sauce is just the best.

These are deep fried.

The best kind.

Parker Olson is producing this in Madison studio A2 and has a look of befuddlement on his face.

Mr. Olson, good morning.

You seem perplexed by the notion of deep fried cheese curds with blueberry dipping sauce.

The blueberry dipping sauce is what's

tripping

me

up

here, yeah.

I have not had it, but this is the second time that I have heard about it and heard that it is a nice surprise and that you should try it.

So I have got to get, I did not get up to Ashland at all this summer.

I've got to fix that and get up there to the local in Ashland.

Good cheese curds, blueberry dip and sauce.

Let's see.

Roger and Steven's point.

Goose on Main Street, GUU, apostrophe S has good ones from Alicia.

We've got fresh curds from Union Star in Fremont and fried cheese curds, Appleton beer factory in Appleton.

All right, well, that's a new one.

And Tony follows up on the blueberry dipping sauce.

It was not just blueberry.

It's very surprising.

So it's what blueberry infused, I guess you could say.

So there we go.

We've already got some answers coming in.

All to be found from our question in today's newsletter, which you can sign up for over at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

And of course we have our Sunday morning one as well that we invite you to subscribe to.

It has our question of the week, will the economy be better a year from now, worse a year from now, about the same a year from now?

And again, people get to answer it first, who subscribe and see that question on Sunday mornings, but we'll take your answer here as well, because I've got to tabulate them all up for this weekend's newsletter, give the results and unveil the next question of the week.

So again, between the comment sections, the app that you can use from Civic Media to call us, text us, send us a voice note.

What are your views on the economy?

One year from now, better, worse or the same?

Where to get some good fresh cheese curds?

Where to get some good deep fried cheese curds?

And anything unusual we need to know, like weird blueberry dipping sauce, maybe caught you off guard there.

So let's see.

Do we have Cindy and Appleton hang around here?

Let's see.

Cindy, good morning.

Are you with us?

I certainly am.

Best fresh cheese curds, Simon's cheese and little chute.

And the best deep fried are Milwaukee burger companies with their Chipotle sauce.

Oh, no, Chipotle

sauce.

Now we've won Parker back.

Yes, I'm back.

The

blueberry he wasn't quite sure on, but you got him on these.

So give me those again, the fresh ones.

Diamonds cheese in little chute.

Okay.

And the deep fried

is Milwaukee burger company.

I wonder if they have is is it just the one in Appleton?

I wonder because there's one here in Eau Claire.

I'll bet they've got him across the board.

You've got to think so, right?

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Okay, do you get the how often do you get the fresh ones?

Are they just like a just an occasional treat or do you get them with some regularity?

Yeah, it's an occasional treat or something for potluck because I don't want to eat that whole bag of them myself.

So

that's the problem there.

Yes That's why when we pick them up in in Nasonville, we still got a three-hour drive to get to Sherry's parents out in Manitowoc County.

So we always have to bring

buy two bags because it's like, here's, here's the full bag.

Otherwise you have to give them like the one that's half eaten and you don't want to do that.

So, well, Cindy, thank you for the, for the input.

I hope everybody out in the Fox Valley takes that advice to heart.

Have a great weekend.

You too.

Thanks.

All right.

855-75 Civic, 855-7524842.

We're asking about cheese curds, which I know it's a little early in the morning for it.

But maybe not.

Maybe, maybe you can work some cheese curds into your scrambled eggs, perhaps.

Anyway, now that we've kind of tempted you with some cheese curd ideas, let's tell you what else is coming up on the program today.

Let's see.

Oh, I'll tell you who will not be here.

Dr. Kristen Lierly normally joins us on Fridays.

She's in Washington, DC, says the place is like an armed encampment, military everywhere, and she's got meetings and can't join us.

So pinch hitting is our friend Matt Rothschild.

who guests hosts all over the Civic Media Radio Network.

You know that he ran the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign for many years and now for Civic Media he has the Wisconsin Forward Podcast where he takes a particular issue unique to Wisconsin, breaks it down, how did we get here and what ideas are there to solve it.

You can get the Wisconsin Forward podcast by heading over to civicmedia.us where you can learn more about civic media stations, all the specific shows, maybe find a new show.

There's shows that air just on the weekends like the Dr. Kristen Lirely show, for example, Saturdays at noon.

And maybe you'll find a new podcast there as well.

So civicmedia.us to get your favorite.

Next, a new show.

Let's see, from Tony, it's important to talk about Kurds early so you don't forget about the dreams you obviously had about them.

Clearly, we had set the table on this one yesterday by letting you know.

It is also, we're going to give you a quick look at the national day calendar because I couldn't get it right today, but Parker could.

Parker is resplendent in a pink Dairyland.

What is the team?

The Madison FC something?

Yeah, four Madison FC.

Okay.

The soccer team down in Madison there.

So it's a lovely thing because it is national, what is it?

Jersey day?

Jersey's day.

Yes.

Jersey day, which I thought, are you sure it's not about the cows?

Are we sure it's about the sports uniforms?

I mean, it could also be about the cows.

You never know.

Okay.

So Parker gave me a heads up saying it's National Jersey Day.

If you want to wear a jersey and that's when I realized.

I don't have a jersey

anymore because there

is a there's a cutoff.

There's a cutoff at some point.

And now that I'm 61, I believe the cutoff is 60 men in their 60s.

Can't wear sports jerseys can't pull it.

You're looking too much like Uncle Rico and Napoleon Dynamite where you're just dreaming of glory days, you know Nobody's gonna mistake me for Aaron Rodgers and that was the last Jersey I had was an Aaron Rodgers Jersey He left the team.

I left the Jersey it went into a lovely pile of donations to Goodwill and it occurred to me yesterday I haven't bought a new one since for anybody and

probably won't.

So, you know, this Packer hoodie is as close as we're going to get today.

I can't remember who it is.

There's some comedian that has a joke about wearing jerseys.

And he's like, at what point does it become weird?

Because like when you're a kid, you're wearing a jersey and you're like looking up to this great player or whatever it is, this guy that you're older than you, you're proud of him.

Right.

And when you're older than the guy that's like you're wearing a

Kids work close.

When you're kind of the same age, you kind of feel like you're one of the team, you're one of the guys.

And at some point when the professional athletes are young enough to be your adult children, it's definitely another matter.

Tony writes on YouTube, if you're over 60, you can wear a jersey as long as you have a turtleneck and it's tucked into your jeans.

Yeah, that is definitely a sign of your age if you do that.

Let's see, from Roger and Steven's point, cousin subs, at least the Steven's point location also have good

hot, fresh cheese curds.

Alicia writes in that rational, rational revolution is on the weekends too.

And Tony says, Mark does a fantastic job for rational revolution.

So we've got that as a podcast for you to follow as well.

It is Friday, so we will have our weekend review panel that would include veteran journalists, Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze and former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel.

As we always look at what legal quandary

is being, you know, flaunted now by the Trump administration.

For example, will they come through on Snap now that a judge yesterday said, no, you can't just make partial payments.

You have to pay the whole thing and you have to do it right now.

And apparently they are because the Evers administration announced that overnight they were going to make steps, take steps rather, to implement that court decision and make sure that the full November food share payments are given out to Wisconsinites across the state.

So

While I can't confirm this, theoretically the benefit cards are restocked and people can again get basic food needs for about 700,000 Wisconsinites including nearly 270,000 kids.

Hopefully that is no longer an issue.

But there's a new issue of course related to the Trump government shutdown and that would be flight cancellations because

Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary, has said in order to help Trump inflict maximum pain that in the interest of safety, they're going to force a 10% cancellation in flights nationwide across the nation's like 30 to 40 largest airports.

So already this morning, we're closing in on a thousand flights that have already been canceled, Twin Cities International, and of course, O'Hara in Chicago are among the airports facing the cuts.

And both Sean Duffy and Donald Trump say the pain is going to get worse.

Here's the thing.

We're gonna explain this again.

It doesn't have to get worse.

It never had to get to this in the first place.

They, Trump, Duffy, Derek Van Orden, all the rest, they have the power to help Americans to not get jerked around by health insurance companies.

The money is there to continue health insurance premium supports.

They just don't want the money to go there.

They want the money to go to tax cuts for billionaires.

Oh, and now trillionaires.

The headline in the New York Times, Elon Musk wins a $1 trillion pay package from Tesla.

This is what they want.

They want all the rich guys, the Ron Johnson's and the other multi-millionaires in Congress and the lackeys like Derek Van Orden who went from shining boots to licking them.

This is what they want.

A trillionaire proves that they too can get fabulously wealthy someday.

Where's it come from?

the money that you paid in taxes and is not any longer going to affordable health care or paying air traffic controllers.

We're going to talk about this week's elections next with Courier Newsrooms Keeva Keel and my colleague Sean Kitchen from Couriers the Keystone in Pennsylvania.

From the heart of America's up north, live from Lake Wissota, thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back on this Friday morning.

It is 622 now.

It is time, of course, to welcome in Courier Newsroom's national political editor, Keva Keel.

Keva, good morning.

How are you?

Good morning, Pat.

I am well.

I'm glad it's Friday.

I'm glad it's Friday, but it's been a it's been a good week for Friday, and we've got company this time.

Another one of my courier newsroom colleagues, Sean Kitchen, from the Keystone State.

Oh, that's the name of the publication.

The Keystone.

Sean, good morning.

How are you?

I'm doing great, Pat.

How are you?

Doing good.

I mean, you you've had one busy week there.

And so we're going to talk to you about Supreme Court races.

and billionaires, something we know about here in Wisconsin in just a minute.

But Kiel, let's start with you first.

You're just your general overview.

Now that we're a couple of days removed, so that maybe we don't read too much into this, or should we read a lot into it because it was a big statement?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, I think the

It was a big statement.

I mean, I think everyone thought the environment generally favored Democrats, but I don't know that even the most optimistic Democrat or operative would have said that Abigail Spanberger would win by 15 points in Virginia or that Mikey Sher will win by, last I looked, I think it was 13 points in New Jersey or that Virginia Democrats would flip 13 seats in the House of Delegates or that they'd win two.

statewide races in Georgia.

And just, you know, up and down the line all across the country, obviously, you saw Zoran Mamdani win the New York mayoral race, which was not necessarily unexpected.

But, you know, doing so impressively amid an onslaught of spending against him and just, you know, an insane amount of right wing propaganda if you're mongering.

You just saw the Democratic

candidates win, whether they were from the more moderate wing or from the more like leftist progressive wing.

It was a complete bloodbath for Republicans, especially when you look more granularly at the local level, which I think Sean will get into in a minute.

But, you know, anywhere you look, it was just a total bloodbath.

You bet.

And Sean, this is not to take anything away from all of that.

But, you know, as we look at each of these individual races, of course, like Kia said, there are granular things there as well.

And it certainly caught my eye in Pennsylvania that you had state Supreme Court justices up for reelection.

And when I read that, you know, like a single billionaire was trying to take down these progressive justices, I had to learn more.

Tell me about the billionaire and the races.

How did this all get going?

We had three justices offer a retention this year.

And the way Pennsylvania has it with our Supreme Court race is.

Judges get elected to 10 year terms in Pennsylvania.

And then after their 10th year, they have a yes or no retention vote to face another 10 year term.

And we had three Democratic Supreme Court justices win in 2015 that flipped control of the court.

And with that, Democrats were able to control the gerrymandering process or the redistricting process here in Pennsylvania.

And it

was able to really break.

insanely, insane Republican gerrymanders in the best house and in the state legislature.

So with that in mind, we have a billionaire here in Pennsylvania.

His name is Jeffrey Yass.

He's worth about like $65.7 billion because he is the largest investor in TikTok,

the largest

American investor in TikTok.

And his main

The main reason why he's involved in politics is basically to undermine public education and promote charter schools and vouchers.

But then there was essentially a mobilization effort.

First you had to recognize this is what was happening.

And then there were, it sounds to me like there are people and groups pretty much dedicated just to watch this guy.

Yes.

There are progressive organizations, coalitions in the state, working families party, like at Justice, wide-ranging groups from like 1PA, working families party, and then you have environmental organizations that are involved in tracking this guy's spending and raising awareness of how much money he's spending.

on a year-to-year basis.

He has spent somewhere of close like 80 or 90 million dollars in Pennsylvania races since 2018, which is just an insane amount to think about.

And that money goes to anyone running for statewide offices, governor, attorney general, the auditor general, all the way down to state reps and school board members.

but you were able to follow it, expose it.

We are certainly no strangers to that in Wisconsin with Dick and Liz Eline from the Uline Company, you know, Wisconsin billionaires who now live in the Chicago area, Diane Hendricks from ABC Supply in Beloit, certainly John Menard.

Another billionaire here has made political inroads with his donations.

So Kia, now that having heard what Sean and Pennsylvania voters did, we know how billionaires have spent lavishly in Wisconsin.

We managed to stay

off Elon Musk with the last state supreme court race, but can the success in Pennsylvania be replicated again in 2026 with this kind of observation, public observation of what billionaires are doing?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think you see

Voters of all stripes really, really hate how much billionaires fund our elections.

And look, it happens for both parties.

But on the right, it really happens in a way that's particularly nefarious, because you have these, like Jeffrey asked, you have these people who want to decimate public schools, who want.

religious charter schools or charter schools to get vouchers, using public funding to pay for private school tuition.

You have folks who have all sorts of self-interested projects and they donate to get those projects off the ground.

I think we'll see more of that in 26 until we get actual, you know...

Citizens United overturned until we get actual campaign spending limits.

This isn't going to go away.

We're seeing it in Michigan and Texas.

I'm certain we'll see it in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania next year.

I think you'll see probably the most expensive Senate race in US history next year in North Carolina.

It's going to be a complete, just a fire hose of money.

Oh, absolutely.

And, you know, no disrespect toward a better Wisconsin together, Wisconsin democracy campaign, the others that have been trying to call attention to this big money.

But I think you need an even more focused effort just to let voters know about these great big checkbooks that are out there trying to buy our elections to read more about how they did it in Pennsylvania.

And Sean Kitchen's reporting head over to Keystone newsroom.com.

And of course, Keith McKeel over at courier newsroom.com.

Gentlemen, thank you very much.

I appreciate

at the inside.

Have a great weekend.

You too.

Thank you.

We've got today's history lesson coming up right after this.

I'm Pac Rightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

The history lesson begins with a little Johnny Rivers.

Sounds

like you got

rivers to me.

Yep.

A little rockin' pneumonia, a little boogie woogie flu for Johnny Rivers birthday today number 83.

For him, happy birthday to him, to music legend, Joni Mitchell, who is 82 years old today, and not yet a music legend, Ella Yelich O'Connor, otherwise known as Lord.

She's 29 years old today.

Welcome to today's history lesson.

It's Friday.

It means we welcome in to wild applause, Greg Bach.

Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Bach.

Hi, everybody.

Hello.

Happy Friday.

That was a rousing round of applause there for you.

Anyway,

how are you?

I'm doing well.

It's Lord's birthday.

Really fun fact about that.

I went to see Lord in concert many years ago because the rap group Run the Jewels was opening for her.

And I had no idea who Lord was outside of the one song.

And as soon as the lights went out for her set to begin,

It was, I realized I was surrounded by a basketball arena full of girls between the ages of 14

and 17.

I said to my friend, I feel like we're at a slumber party.

We shouldn't be

at

right

now.

I felt so weird.

I'm like, I feel like people probably think I'm a cop.

But isn't that quite the nice surprise that you know somebody is an up and comer when they're the opening act?

but a whole bunch of fans show up.

That happened to me once at a, I want to say, was it Bonnie Rait or somebody else, or Mary Chapin Carpenter or whatever it was, and the Bo Deans were opening up.

And the Baudin's were just kind of ascendant, and the crowd was mostly Baudin's fans at that point,

which

was

pretty cool.

It

was a fun show.

We stayed for about 10 minutes.

I'm like, I think we can go, right?

We can go.

We can go.

We can go.

And we won.

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, speaking of Ms.

Rait, she turns 76 years old tomorrow.

Just another one of those albums.

I don't know why you don't have it in your collection yet.

Go get Naked Time.

Just do.

Pat loves to talk about Naked Time.

Parker, he loves that record.

He thinks it's a

perfect record.

It's a perfect record.

76 years old.

Chef Gordon Ramsay is 59 years old tomorrow.

59 for Gordon Ramsay.

I again, just every so often a birthday comes up and I go, well, I look younger than that guy.

I also didn't spend my life in a high pressure kitchen, you know, throwing knives at people.

So I can see where that would.

He just sits his

couch and does that.

Yeah.

I

hate the TV.

It's terrible programming.

I don't even know that I've ever actually watched a program with Gordon Ramsay.

Really?

Maybe maybe.

bit of one, but maybe not entirely.

So definitely, I'm not saying I don't like him.

I'm just saying I've never been like a fan or would either one of you call yourself a regular viewer of whatever it is he does?

I go on like a kick here and there of watching a bunch of stuff of him like kitchen nightmares.

I would watch a little bit of, particularly like in high school at some point.

I did that a lot.

Mm-hmm Tony's Gordon Ramsay 59 with the rage of a three-year-old.

Yes, we That is his claim to fame here.

Let's see.

Happy birthday to am I gonna say this right this year last year?

I think I said see ya instead of scissor but scissor is 35 years old today

I

was going to

say, because C is a whole different person.

It's whole different.

Whole different.

You can't mix those up.

There's a C.

Yeah.

This is

CZA.

Yes.

This is CZA.

And this is Kill Bill.

Number three on the list of bestselling songs of 2023.

Wow.

And Native of St.

Louis and has had five Grammy nominations so far.

And I would not be surprised if there were more down the road.

On this day in 1943,

was the last scoreless tie in the NFL.

Final score, the Detroit Lions 0, the New York Giants 0.

Now it was the 73rd time that an NFL game ended in a 0-0 tie, but there have been no 0-0 ties since 1943.

I feel

like when the Packers had that tie a few like a month ago or so.

I feel like I got led into a world I had no idea about when it comes to the NFL and ties and and overtime and it's like it should just be play five more minutes whoever has more after that they win go home don't this is very convoluted and weird

Yes.

I mean, ties are just, I mean, I'm really glad the NHL added the shootout.

It was very tough to walk away from a hockey game and go, that's it, one to one or zero, zero.

They should do that with football.

They should have the kickers go out and see how far they can kick from.

Or at least just take up the college rule.

The college rule, you can

play

that back and forth over and over again until somebody gets a genuine score.

Yeah,

that's what it

used to be, too.

It used to be whoever scored first.

That was it.

Done.

We're going home.

Yes.

Well, that was

unfair, though.

I

don't

like that either.

No, no.

Let's see.

Oh, I've got reaction here from Luke Mathers, who says, Pat, you would love Gordon Ramsay shows.

His snark has an accent.

He's brutal to folks and really sweet to kids on MasterChef Junior.

True.

I feel like maybe he is a kindred spirit with me after all.

Tony writes on YouTube college over time is the best over time.

I'm still going to say hockey shootouts, but yes, college football definitely has a better over time than the pros.

We are going to introduce hockey shootouts to the NCAA football season

next year.

We don't know

how it will work,

but trust us.

With a hockey stick, you've got to get that football through the upper age.

You've got to happy Gilmore, that thing.

If we can put

38 teams in the Big 10, we can do anything we want.

There you

go.

On this day in 1981, the number one hit was by Holland Oats.

Such rhythm we have here that was their third number one hit after a rich girl and kiss on my lips They would later hit the top of the charts with I can't go for that man-eater and out of touch, but this one was from 1981 on this day in 1805 the Lewis and Clark expedition reached the Pacific Ocean

at the mouth of the Columbia River, 18 months after it had set off from near St.

Louis.

And Louis turned to Clark, shrugged his shoulders and goes, that it?

All

right.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's go back.

And they did.

They went all the way back because what else are you going to do at that point?

They didn't want to have a

gift shop here.

I know.

Let's see on this day in 1983 the Rolling Stones released their 19th studio album.

The title track is still one of my favorite Rolling Stones songs undercover.

This is forgive the cliche, but this is one of those songs.

We're not doing any justice.

The only way to play undercover of the night by the Stones is on 11.

There's just no other way to look.

You can't just I'm just gonna listen to it really soft in the background.

No, no, can't do it.

On this day in 1967, President Lyndon Johnson signed a bill establishing the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

RIP.

Yes, how we've come I've got I've got

Plenty of other political notes here in just a bit because it's November and there's a lot of election days, so stick around for that.

But first, another song this day in 1987.

The number one hit was a remake of a Tommy James and the Chandels tune by an up and coming 16 year old named Tiffany.

On this day in 1913, you talk about the gales of November.

We're going to be talking about the Edmund Fitzgerald a lot on Monday.

But on this day in 1913 in November, a Great Lakes storm later nicknamed the White Hurricane brought 90 mile an hour winds and 35 foot waves over a three day period.

The storm would sink 19 ships, damage 19 more, more than 250 lives lost as a result.

on this day in 19, I'm sorry, 1922, the anniversary of the birth of trumpet player Al Hurt.

And everybody has heard some kind of an Al Hurt diddy at some point in their lives.

This

unqualifies us wacky.

I just think now I was like,

background music or, you know, it's something that you'd put behind the Muppets or something.

And yet this was like a big hit in 1963 for Al Hurt, who was nicknamed the round mound of sound.

Can you bring it up just a little bit, Parker?

Just a tiny bit.

I want to try some right here.

You've reached Morrison Dental.

Thank you for

your call.

If this is an

emergency, please dial 911 immediately.

There he is.

OK, cool.

Yep.

It feels like the back music to Tom and Jerry.

I feel like I'm supposed to watch a mouse and a cat

fight.

It warms my heart that Parker just made it Tom and Jerry.

I know.

I know.

Look how he's coming along.

We are

aging him.

Parker, that was not an insult.

I was not making fun

of you.

I know that.

I can see your

body tensed up right there.

No, no, no.

I'm happy about that.

I am too.

Oh, thank you, Greg.

Um, yesterday I went out to lunch with Zomers and Tom and Jerry was on one of the TVs and we were having a great time watching.

I would like to have seen that.

I'd be like walking into a daycare center, but for young adult men who still like cartoons because I'm one of them.

I mean, not the young part anymore, but I'd sit and watch Tom and Jerry for an hour.

We were upset that it was

the new version because the animation doesn't look as good.

That's right.

That's right.

You got to go with the classics.

And there was a Scooby-Doo on after.

I wanted to stay there all day.

And someday you will.

We call that retirement.

And then you get your applesauce.

They're getting all that ready for me right now at Shady Acres.

And one day you can.

They're hiring.

All right.

Lots of early November election notes to pass along.

It was on this day in 2000.

Al Gore.

got more votes than George W. Bush, but nobody knew what was going on in Florida.

All we had was NBC's Tim Russert first to note on his little whiteboard where he wrote, Florida, Florida, Florida.

And boy, did that turn out to be.

the key.

On that same day, First Lady Hillary Clinton became the first woman to win elected office while First Lady.

On this day in 1916, Jeanette Rankin of Montana became the first woman elected to Congress.

Now a little deja vu on this day in 2017, it was Trump's first year in office of his first term, and Democrats dominated winning the governor's races in Virginia, New Jersey, and elsewhere, deja vu.

And then in 2020,

It was this day was four days after election day when Joe Biden was about to be declared the winner over Trump.

And Rudy Giuliani held the infamous Trump campaign press conference at the Four Seasons.

No, not that Four Seasons, not the hotel.

Four Seasons total landscaping in Philadelphia.

That I bought a t-shirt.

They.

When that happened, Four Seasons did the right thing.

They leaned in

and took

advantage.

I bought a t-shirt from them.

It was amazing.

It

was the best.

It really was.

Seeing Pam Bondi and then some of the others just standing there, it was, I mean, that was just chef's kiss for political theater.

I mean, what more could you want?

All right, we've only got time for just a quick national day calendar thing.

We mentioned this national jersey day.

I don't have a jersey.

It's why I've got the Packer hoodie.

And Greg.

We didn't tell you've got jerseys.

Yes,

I've got jerseys I've got I just I just washed a bunch of my brewers jerseys there at home right now not being warned for Jersey Day Thank You someone I shall lodge a complaint

Still

to come it is our weekend review panel which includes former US Attorney Jim Santel and why is that important from the National Day calendar Parker?

It's love your lawyer day

It's National Love Your Lawyer Day, so we're going to share some love for Jim Santel and all that he does for us here at the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Critello.

You're up north.

Welcome back.

It's a Friday morning, November 7th, 652 right now.

Pat Crite low here in Chippewa Falls.

Parker Olson in Madison and Greg Bach joining us from Radio Park in Racine.

And from the mailbag here, we were talking earlier about this being National Jersey Day, the shirt not the animal.

And Leif puts up here on YouTube.

Grownups don't wear jerseys, but no one really likes grownups.

I have no interest in being one whatsoever.

Alicia puts

up everywhere.

It says, Hey, I'm 41 and planning to get a Navy jersey for the Army Navy game.

You go.

Absolutely.

I mean, you're, you're in the Navy, you know, you're a veteran.

You get to wear that as much as you want.

And let's see, I had one on the text line here as well.

From Jim in Brookfield.

Good morning, Pat.

Thank you for being a voice of reason regarding sports jersey protocol.

Yes, there is a past your shelf life look to older men in jerseys.

When I hit the 6-0, I gave away the jerseys, got on my bike and rode 60 miles.

It was time to turn over a new leaf.

Wait.

OK.

All right.

Hold on a second.

I feel like I.

I feel like I missed a part of the conversation here and happened earlier in the show.

Yes,

I don't have a jersey anymore when Parker mentioned to me, but apparently not to you, that it's National Jersey Day.

And I thought, I wonder, did I still have that?

I had an Aaron Rodgers jersey,

but

I was pretty sure I got rid of it when Rodgers left.

And I did, as it turned out.

So that's why I've got a Packer hoodie on.

It's the next best thing.

But I made the point that I also feel like

60 is you look silly now with if you're if you're wearing a sports jersey and Jim and Brookfield is simply saying, yeah, when he turned 60, he really turned over a new leaf.

He got rid of his jersey.

He he went biking 60 miles to, you know, try to get, you know, stay healthy and good for him on all those things.

I just know that not everybody agrees that, you

know, I

can't I can never wear jersey again.

And that's really what it comes down to.

It really is all about me, Greg, is can I wear a jersey again at my age?

I was gonna say something, but you just wouldn't stop talking.

Actually, honestly, it was just kept going and going and going on this topic.

I'm just kidding.

I love you very much.

No, I don't I disagree.

I think you can wear a jersey whenever you want.

It's fine.

If you are a 60 year old trying to wear a jersey to your professional job, then we need to have a chat.

But if it's Sunday and you're enjoying the day and you're doing some yard work, you got your jersey on, I think that's fine.

I don't think there's anything I have never in my life heard anyone make this claim that at a certain age, you can't wear jerseys.

I think Pat, if

You want to wear a jersey, you wear a jersey.

I understand why you got rid of the Aaron Rodgers jersey, because I wonder whether

to get one for love.

And there's Tony on YouTube saying, never too old for love.

Couldn't agree more, Tony, but I think he needs the jersey.

I feel like it depends on which sport we're talking about.

Can we not say it

depends when we're talking about a guy in their 60s, please?

Our wardrobes are tough enough as

they are.

I think the baseball jersey is the most acceptable.

Remember when they tried to go after the youthier market by getting like professional athletes?

And I think Clay Matthews was a spokesman for Depends for a moment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, and that's, and by the way, that's not me laughing at people who need that.

If you need that, that's your life and I support your journey, do your thing.

I'm just saying, I was just like, man, they're trying to, I've never seen, I've never seen them go after the youth market.

No,

but things happen, especially when you get to an age where you use this line that you never thought you'd use.

Oh, you see that urologist too.

Great, great.

Thank you.

I've heard good things about him.

Let's see now John and Oshkosh.

Oh, he takes a point of view here to me wearing a jersey is not as bad as wearing a cheese head though real Packer fans don't wear cheese heads.

Oh That was a take.

Do you feel like John's trying to pick a fight right now?

I I like it.

I'm here for it.

Maybe maybe there are people that are

I mean, we're just so used to it.

Yeah.

Maybe

he's the one who's first coming up to go, maybe this has run its course and we don't need to wear silly pieces of cheese on our head.

Now, I don't agree, but maybe, maybe they're more like John and he was just brave enough to say it first.

Or John is in for a mountain of derision after this.

Either way, we'll see who writes in and calls it.

I love that word, derision.

Oh, thank you.

Oh,

Tony, that was a squeaky hot take.

Thank you, Tony.

Very well done.

I personally feel like when it comes to the cheese hat, it's like, I would wear one in a package game for a little bit, then I'd probably hand it off to me like, here, you can wear this.

But also, it's a thing of we can do it.

But the moment you use a cheese hat as a point of making fun of us, that's when it's on and I'm not happy.

Because I'm like, we're more than that.

You know that.

Take that off.

You don't understand.

That's right.

One more note on the National Day calendar.

This is National Cancer Awareness Day.

And to that end, Greg and I, the official spokesman for men's health on civic media, the ones who talked to all of you into getting a CPAP machine when the time is right for you, are here on the Cancer Awareness Front.

Hey, Greg, anything

on your calendar coming up?

This weekend I begin my prep as of today.

I start my prep for my colonoscopy on Monday.

So I'll be getting my screening because it's time.

I'm at age where the doc says, time for you to do that.

I said, absolutely.

Let's do this.

I got the weird liquid at home.

Gonna start doing that on Sunday.

And everyone keeps on saying, you'll be fine.

I'm like, I know I'll be fine.

It's not scared.

No,

I'm here for it.

Let's do this.

I'm terribly sorry.

I'm terribly sorry for what you're about to go through, though.

No,

no, no,

you're not

you're asleep.

I've had I've

had

my recently and They are they are extremely important and the prep is just what it is Everybody's everybody's had the stomach flu before and it's not even quite like that.

So

I'm not I'm not worried about it.

I'm not scared about it I'm I'm the only thing I am has it's not hesitant but just have nerves over is Doing everything correctly as far as the diet from today till Monday doing the prep correctly making sure that I don't walk in there

And they say, well, you didn't do it right.

So get out and we're still going to charge you.

Yes.

And that's, you know, one of Sherry's frustrations is you prep for a surgery.

And then they come in and say, oh, the patient didn't know and they had a piece of toast or something.

It's like, no, it's right there.

Don't eat or drink anything, not even toast, you know?

Oh, yeah.

So yes, you are right to follow the directions and to be a good, compliant patient.

We'll hear more about this on Matt Nair on air.

probably not that, but other other cooler stuff with Greg Bach and Jane Matton there, who had that big news retirement well deserved after all these years.

So tune in to Jane and Greg today, nine to 11.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you very much, my friends.

Always

wonderful talking

to you.

It's

always great

to have a good weekend.

Coming up next, we will have our weekend review panel.

Of course, I'm Pat Crightlow from Up North News, and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

at Cross Wisconsin on Civic Media.

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Now, from our Lake Mesota studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Craiglo.

Hey, good morning.

Welcome back.

Nice to have you here up north on a Friday morning, November 7th, 7.06 the time right now.

Parker Olson producing things down in Madison Studio A2.

Our week in review panel is coming along in just a matter of minutes.

with former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel and journalist Jennifer Sholes in Mark Jacob.

Coming up an hour from now, we will be talking to Matt Rothschild from the Wisconsin Forward podcast here on Civic Media.

And then Mike Clemens will be along at 835 to help us preview the weekend in sports.

And of course, along the way, we'd love to hear from you.

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Use that Civic Media app to call us or text us or send us a voice note along the way or put a comment in the sections of YouTube and Facebook.

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You can watch

You can watch me praddling along with the temperatures here.

Here they are now.

Watoma is the low spot in the state 32 degrees right now in La Crosse, Oshkosh, Richland Center.

You're all at 45 at this hour.

It's 39 here in the Chippewa Valley.

It's 41 in Wasaw and in Hayward, Ashland and Superior.

We're at 43 degrees right now.

But what about Tigerton?

Well, Rob writes in from YouTube.

Good morning from Tigerton.

It's partly cloudy and 39 degrees.

He said yesterday he worked on his paperwork for mowing season.

Sending out the bills and last night had a great Philly cheesesteak sandwich at Blazers Bar and Grill in Split Rock.

So there you go.

And we of course have been talking about along with Parker here cheese curds because in our daily newsletter at UpNorthNewsWI.com or

Daily newsletter from Ellie Bordeaux has some of your question or some of your responses to the question of where are the best cheese curds?

And we're asking you this morning as well and you've been sending in a lot of good answers to that but in the newsletter this morning I wanted to rattle off a few of them here and then Parker's gonna tell us where you get the good ones if you're at Whitewater or in Madison of course Rob has mentioned Rachel's Roadside Bar and Grill in in Wittenberg plenty of times and Let's see Ellen writes in on behalf of Rachel's Roadside

Talking about the Christmas curds, a variation of cheese curds with some added sweet flavor.

Let's see, there is, I want to get these in the right order here.

There's Pine River Dairy in Manitowoc, where Margaret writes in, this humble dairy has squeaky fresh curds, as well as 50 cent ice cream cones.

For anything dairy, as well as the tastiest cheese curds, you have to stop in Pine River Dairy in Manitowoc.

Everybody talks about Ellsworth.

You can't talk about cheese curds without Ellsworth because you'll find Ellsworth cheese curds everywhere.

They have fresh not frozen ones.

Green writes in that squeak.

There's also the Felts Dairy and Stevens Point.

Karen says their dill variety is my personal favorite.

And a side note for reestablishing that classic squeak and pull after you get home, the cheese master at Felts taught us to just microwave two to three of them for about seven seconds.

Well, that's actually my shortcut too, but not not with the fresh ones.

You know, you don't need to do that.

They squeak nicely And they will the next day and by the way, you keep these at room temperature and then the day after that Like you said about seven seconds in the microwave and now it's it's kind of the deep fried cheese curds without the deep fried and it's ooey and gooey and delicious I got one more here Henning cheese in keel

and Nicole writes in this is a family-owned cheese factory they work hard and serve their community the cheese curds are amazing extra special if you toast them over a fire for a little while to make a savory s'more hello that's a new one

All right.

This summer, we picked up hanging curds on our way to bonfires, then popped them on the stick, toasted them.

You can add summer sausage and a cracker if you want to, or just enjoy the melty, squeaky goodness.

This show has now been worth it, an hour and 10 minutes into it.

Whatever happens for the next hour and 50 is gravy at this point, because we have learned that we can make a savory s'more with cheese curds and a little summer sausage.

Oh my gosh.

I'm loving this.

I am digging this, Nicole.

Thank you for writing that in for our newsletter.

Again, you can get it at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

Oh, Tony's writing in, blatantly ignoring Ashlyn, typical superior bias.

Did I not say Ashlyn when I gave the temperatures?

I said 43 and Hayward, Ashlyn and Spear.

Did I

not?

I remember Superior and I remember Hayward.

I'm not sure about

Ashlyn.

Oh, so you're doing Tony's work for him too here.

I was sure I said Ashlyn.

I'm afraid I'm not positive.

I'm afraid you weren't

paying attention.

There's a chance.

I understand how that goes.

All right, now it's time to explain why my day yesterday was not nearly as productive as it could have been.

Oh.

Was it my fault?

When was no, no, no, no.

Somehow it was probably mine, but I still don't know how I did it when I caused a full on computer crash.

And

I was not expecting that.

Now, again, I'm

not

getting paid for the endorsement, but we're part of the cult of Mac over here.

I got MacBooks.

I've got, you know, iPads, iPhones, and the show is done on a big old iMac here on my desk.

I've had it for a few years here.

It's got the storage on it is two terabytes.

Two terabytes.

That's

a

lot.

Last I checked, uh, which wasn't that long ago, I wasn't even to like 25% usage of it.

I would think.

So you can imagine, first my frustration that things were going really slow for the past day or two, really slows, really, like quite a little mystery.

And then yesterday came the window, the warning window.

Uh-oh.

Warning, your disc is nearly full.

What?

Uh-oh.

How?

How can this be?

I looked and sure enough, I kind of clicked on a little window and looked at it and almost two terabytes of hard disk space was being used up.

And I am absolutely like, not quite panic stricken, but I'm like, oh, this is, this is going to take a while.

So I had to go in and look at it.

and found that there were a lot of old, old files in there.

And I think Tony is already on the right track when he writes in on YouTube, you got to make sure you're not copying iCloud documents or Google Drive files locally.

And I'm aware of that, not just iCloud and not just Google Drive and not just Dropbox because I have that as well, but also an external hard drive.

And I'm sorry for getting into the weeds here, but I know plenty of people use external hard drives as well to keep all of the old stuff.

But at no point is it supposed to come back onto your local disk, your local hard drive.

And I didn't have time because I'm in the middle of 10 other things.

I still don't know if all those files came back onto my hard drive through something in the hard disk from Dropbox, from iCloud, for Google Drive.

One of them did something one of them vomited files back on to my local computer, and I don't know why I just know I had to quickly Put things in order of size and get rid of all the biggest files Oh, and just assume that they are copies from wherever

and that somehow they got copied over.

I don't think I've deleted anything permanently, but the fact of the matter is, even if I did, they're probably things I shouldn't have kept anyway after all this time.

I mean, this is show number, hold on, I actually write it down every day.

This is show number 682 since we moved to early mornings.

Do I need the other 681 shows?

No, but they're on an external hard drive someplace and they got copied over, so we'll see.

We'll

see.

Tony also asks, you don't have time machine, do you?

I did have time machine with my last computer and I did not get time machine for this one because again, I thought between the other external hard drives, Dropbox, Google, everything's good.

It's all good.

It's all in the cloud.

The cloud.

The

cloud.

Done rained

on

me.

The cloud opened up and said, have all your crap back.

And now I'm cleaning out everything.

Tony says, gotta clean out that cash for Adobe programs too.

And of course I use a lot of Adobe programs.

Tony says, fun fact, YouTube stores those live shows too.

Well, they do kind of Tony, but if Google, which owns YouTube, decides that, you know, we've played more than eight seconds of a certain song or other licensing things, they just take it upon themselves to make a show disappear.

Yeah.

So that's why I wanted this as a backup.

So again, it's not a problem everybody has had, but it's a problem you might have at some point.

So I want you to know that there are these possibilities for your hard disks to suddenly get

all kinds of old friends returning, you know,

so it's like a

junk drawer.

You pack a junk drawer enough and eventually the junk drawer just like bursts and spills everything around.

And now you got to decide which things do you really have to keep and which ones should you have gotten rid of all along?

And that's where I am with computer files.

So was your weekend now going to basically entirely be looking through files on your computer?

It's

first going to involve trying to trying to trace this and

figure

out where it came from.

Did I accidentally.

you know, fix a setting someplace.

Sure.

Is it a case where both Dropbox and iCloud through Apple both said, you know, oh, your thing is almost full.

Did I get too close to full?

And they were just like, here, have all your stuff back.

You know, I don't know.

So that's what I've got to find out.

And I appreciate Tony's words here.

And of course, anybody else that wants to crowdsource this thing is very welcome, 855-757-855-752-4842.

All right, let's talk a little sports here.

Nothing that was going on last night.

There's stuff going on tonight.

The Milwaukee Bucks are at home at the Pfizer form taking on the Chicago Bulls in the opening of the NBA Cup.

Hey, Parker, do you want to hear all about the NBA Cup and how it is structured and all the details on why we should care about it?

Oh, gosh, golly, Pat.

No.

No, no, you do not.

Okay, good, I can carry on.

All right, tonight we've got Badger Men's basketball against Northern Illinois.

Coverage begins at seven o'clock on stations in Wisconsin Rapids, Amory, Richland Center, and Ironwood, Michigan.

Then on Saturday, the Badger football team is back in action against Washington.

Coverage will begin at 1.30 on stations in Richland Center, Amory, Wisconsin Rapids, and Ripon.

as well.

And let's see, we've got the Packers playing on Monday, Monday Night Football against the Eagles.

Coverage will begin at 5pm Monday on stations in Richland Center, Park Falls Racine and Watoma.

So now you are up to date on that.

All right, I mentioned in our daily newsletter the fact that there's a question this week about

cheese curds.

And next week, I'm going to give you a preview.

I really shouldn't I should wait till Monday.

Yeah, I'm going to wait till Monday.

And we're going to find your favorite something else here.

Part of her Ellie's locals love section of the newsletter.

So let's talk instead about our weekly newsletter.

That one is

conveniently called Sunday mornings with Pat Crightlow.

And you can sign up for it at upnorthnewswi.com and get our question of the week.

The question we asked last Sunday was where will the economy be a year from now, right before the midterm elections, which will definitely, the economy always plays a role.

And if the economy is in a much better place for all the talk that Democrats have been making this week, all the political hay they've been making about, oh, we've got Trump now, maybe not.

if the economy picks up and recovers.

If the economy craters between now and then, and right now the data looks like that could very well happen, it will not be good politically.

But then what if it's just this?

What if this is it?

We're just kind of slog along.

We don't get much worse, but we don't get much better.

Will people be okay with that and just accept it as the new normal?

So you get to play the role of junior economist now and tell us where do you think the economy is going to be a year from now?

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Attorney Jim Santel and Jennifer Schulze, our week in review panel straight ahead.

Live from the lake, thanks for making this a part of your mornings here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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So in case you ever miss an episode, get over to Spotify or Apple and subscribe to our show as a podcast last hour.

We talked to my colleague Sean Kitchen from the Courier Newsroom Pennsylvania outlet, The Keystone.

His story was all about how Pennsylvania candidates and voters were able to stave off a billionaire who was trying to flip three state Supreme Court seats.

So head over to KeystoneNewsroom.com to learn more about that.

Maybe you would like instead to learn more about the Gilded Age and state-sponsored terror.

Well, for that, you got to go see what Jennifer Scholesi has put together in her sub-stack column, Indistinct Chatter.

Head over to sub-stack and search for at news Jennifer.

Then, of course, we're going to talk about the law here in just a sec because, you know, electric criminal, you're going to be in court a lot.

Amicus, a law review with Jim Santel can be heard Saturday mornings from 9 to 11.

on stations around the civic media radio network.

And then we're really going to get into things with Mark Jacob, who's a new column, Stop the Presses, which you can get at stopthepresses.news has a column this week, 12 helpful terms to understand American chaos.

So having set all that up, let's bring our weekend review panel in here.

That of course would be Jim Santel, Mark Jacob, Jennifer Schultz.

Good to see you all here.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Hi.

I think we got to start with Jim from the legal standpoint, because we did have a judge rule that the Trump administration could not make partial payments for SNAP.

There's no mechanism for that.

You got to make the whole thing, and the administration indicated they would, and the Evers administration indicated it would overnight last night make sure that those benefits are on people's cards so they could afford, you know, like...

groceries and things.

So Jim tells a bit more about what what the judge decided, what they said, and then we'll get into whether and how the administration is going to comply.

But what's the background?

That administration apparently calling this this morning and absurd ruling.

This comes from John McConnell.

He is a district court judge.

He is in Rhode Island.

And he is the one who about a week or so ago, along with another judge in Massachusetts, had said, you got to find a way to make these funds available.

Just yesterday, once again, he says, based with the choice between advancing relief and entrenching delay, it, meaning the administration, any Donald Trump.

and the Agriculture Department shows the latter an outcome that predictably magnifies harm and undermines the very purpose of the program it administers.

He writes this in a 27-page order, lambasting the administration, weighs big, small, and in between, and saying, get this done.

The administration, once again, pushing back on this, promising to appeal.

not answering specific questions about this.

And once again, invoking this notion somehow, federal judges have no power to do these things.

Our vice president's saying, you try to keep telling us what to do and you've got no authority.

Well, that's not the way the Constitution works.

Mr. Vice President, again, the Attorney General has said that.

And so we'll see the fight goes on.

A lot of people using the word limbo yet again this morning.

And perhaps it is just because of the back and forth, the chaos about which you spoke, Pat, continues inside this program where people need food to eat.

Just that simple.

And that's where I really want to see if the, uh, you know, the Evers administration did come through and what was the mechanism behind it?

Was there like some overnight transfer or something?

I'm, I'm kind of fearful mark of a, you know, a rude awakening later this morning that, you know, maybe the state put forward the money for this month's snap benefits, but now did not get paid from the federal government.

And I, you know, it, Ronald Reagan said at first about the Russians, but now we got to say it about our own president, trust, but verify.

Yeah.

I'm seeing one report that says that what the governor's office said was that they would make the payments as long as the

that the Trump administration did not request an emergency stay at the court's decision, or if there was a vendor processing issue.

Now, the Trump administration did appeal the ruling, but they didn't, as far as I know, Jim, ask for an immediate stay.

Right, I think that's the correct legal status.

But again, the day is young, and we know that John Sauer, who we heard from early in the week,

trying to defend terrorists.

He's got a machine there that will ramp things up and get to the Supreme Court if he feels the need to.

He continues to use that as we know.

Another aspect of this Supreme Court just yesterday also giving the administration to go ahead with respect.

to transgender passports and saying, no, not entitled to properly identify yourself.

That was again, emergency appeal, because goodness, we've got to get that stopped right away, right?