Protect Our Care (Hour 3)

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Protect Our Care (Hour 3)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Wed Oct 15, 2025

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On this Wednesday morning, it's October 15th, Parker Olson producing things down in Madison Studio A2, Earl Ingram standing by in Milwaukee.

Later this hour, we will be talking to the National President of Protect Our Care, Leslie Dock.

about what is really at stake in this government shutdown.

We'll also have Melissa Baldloff talking about our weekly climate check update, including the ways that in this shutdown the Trump administration has been cherry picking the way that it ends funding for projects, making a nakedly

political partisan acts to projects that are in blue states as opposed to red states.

And again, that's not something that happened before, and it's not something we're supposed to be normalizing.

That's the kind of thing that authoritarians do.

It's why there's going to be a whole lot of marches and rallies across the country on Saturday called No Kings Rally.

And those No Kings rallies number at least 85 in Wisconsin so far and Earl Ingram is going to be emceeing the one in Milwaukee at the Cathedral Square Saturday morning 11 a.m.

And Earl joins us now Earl.

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm doing fine.

Pat.

How are you?

Good.

Thanks.

So tell me more about this.

You're gonna have a few friends and neighbors down there at Cathedral Square on Saturday.

Earl Ingram

Well, you know, I have to tell you, honestly, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the first one of those rallies.

And later on, I found out that there was 8,000 people, which is a pretty good crowd in Milwaukee.

But when I started realizing that this was happening in other places across the world,

But especially in Milwaukee, I really became, you know, kind of like a sponge and looking and trying to find out, you know, what this actually was and why it's happening.

And then I got an email that asked me if I would be willing to do this.

And, you know, I got to be honest with you, Pat, I'm honored.

Excuse me because...

I'm from the civil rights era and this harkens back to that time.

We're in an environment where politicians, in my opinion, won't be able to fix what is happening in this nation and that it's incumbent upon the people of this country to force our nation to correct itself.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, and we've got, of course, it looks like it's going to be very well attended.

It's going to be very effective at helping shape public opinion that we know what this administration is trying to do.

And we know that this must be the case because the administration is already basically

making up stuff about it.

You had Sean Duffy and other members of the administration out there saying, well, these are all paid agitators.

This is all Antifa, whatever the heck that's supposed to be.

The fact that they're feeling the need to do this this early says they know this is going to be a big deal come Saturday.

Earl Ingram

You know, Pat, early on this year, there were rallies in racing.

Uh, that I got a chance to kind of MC the first one in racing and then in my nominee falls, uh, here outside of Milwaukee.

And I can tell you, Pat, that over 95% of the attendees were elderly people, 70s and 80s.

And that's who they were.

And so, you know, when you, when you have rallies that have seniors,

Who are you know at the apex in the forefront of them?

That's telling you something we're what I understand with what's they're gonna be taking place on Saturday.

It's young people It's the elderly its unions It's it's you know different religion.

It's it's the entire human family.

It's the American people who have gathered and you know, it doesn't matter how they try to slant it

at the root of it is suburban people, rural people, urban people.

It's the American populace that is organizing and that is trying to bring a message that they're just not satisfied.

And as you well know, Pat, for those people who struggle, for those people who are concerned about health, can you imagine not being able in the wealthiest nation on earth to afford health care?

But at the root of it is those things.

Pat Kreitlow

No, yes.

And it's not, you know, I'm already seeing comments like, Oh, this is just a bunch of retired government workers.

No, go actually talk to the people who are there.

And by the way, this isn't like some Milwaukee thing, and some Madison thing and all the college towns, you know, Eau Claire will have one.

Again, there's 85 of them, I'm going to try to read a bunch of them in our in our last segment at just after 850 this morning.

But if I can just say around the Milwaukee area, folks who can't get there,

The sites include Conimoac, Cedarburg, Brookfield, Muskego, Union Grove, Kenosha, Racine Mount Pleasant, and Waukesha itself.

There are people in all of these communities and dozens and dozens more who want to put themselves on the record as being opposed to what is going on right now.

Earl Ingram

You know, Pat, with that list, you just, you know, ran down.

Anybody who can say that this is something, this is, you know, paid agitators, you have really missed a mark.

And as you stated, they're saying these things because they know at the root of it is a disgruntled populace of this nation who see their futures before their eyes and their grandchildren dissipating.

And so they clearly are sending a message.

I can't remember the last time Pat in this nation that a group of people as diverse as this were organized in sending these messages.

And it's not anything that's being put in place by politicians.

There aren't going to be politicians with the microphones.

Pat Kreitlow

No, this this is this is as organic as it gets with with real folks talking about real experiences and real concerns going on with this administration and So as we let's pivot here and talk about you know part of the dissatisfaction with the economy is that people feel like they have less control over it not just themselves personally but in their communities and let's take for example the the financial sector and

We're so used to the big conglomerates, you know the the city banks and all that out there that that we forget the power of hometown banks and lending institutions and frankly banks that that are you know owned or run by members of your local community and You've noticed a very troubling trend when it comes to black owned banks in the country

Earl Ingram

Well, you know as a young young boy in the city of Milwaukee, there were four four black banks

as I was coming up and those banks, you know, we had a pass in this nation that was not so fair and equitable.

And so those banks offered opportunities for the American dream for people of color.

Most of those banks are all gone.

I think in the city of Milwaukee, I don't even think there's one left.

And so, you know, I talked with a gentleman in North Carolina.

who is the CEO and president of the second oldest black bank in the nation and he pointed out some things are pretty alarming to me but things that you know if you really gave it some thought you you would realize that at the root of all of it is an underserved community and and people who really through unfortunately no fault of their own

Don't get fair and equitable treatment in this nation, even in 2025.

Pat Kreitlow

Did you say the number of what there was and what it's come down to?

Earl Ingram

100, and there was originally 100 at his height.

134 black banks in this nation were down to 27.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Again, reminds me when we get to talking about, you know, institutional racism and DEI and all that and the reasons why you're looking for representation, you need to look no farther than that.

And we can look at other areas too, black owned farms and other things.

But I think it was important that you called that to our attention.

We're talking to Earl Ingram from the What's Going On with Earl Ingram podcast, find it over at civicmedia.us, click on shows to learn more.

And in one of your most recent ones,

here, Earl, you are talking on the subject of education and, you know, what it is about Milwaukee Public Schools, how do you get to the heart of what is the problem and what it is that we can do to make the Milwaukee School District stronger?

Earl Ingram

Well, Milwaukee Public Schools has a budget of over 1.3

Billion dollars that is equivalent to the entire budget of Milwaukee County So when we hear people say that there's not enough money in the district is not true The money unfortunately goes towards benefits and salaries of many people inside of the district the the population of Milwaukee public schools when I was a young boy was a hundred and

15,000 it is now down to under 60 And yet we still have the same amount of school buildings We we still have a budget that continues to increase but at the root of it is benefits and at the root of that is insurance costs Because you know while everybody else has to pay and struggle with insurance costs Milwaukee public schools and the MTE a continue to get

basically Cadillac and life long insurance that covers even after they're a Medicaid Medicare eligible, they have these policies, these Cadillac policy insurance policies that continue and then they're unwilling to yield on that.

And so money that should be used to educate children continue to go towards retiree benefits.

Pat Kreitlow

And that is to me so

stunning to hear that there's similar facilities despite the population shifts.

And it just gives that opportunity to again say that, I mean, we sound like massive cheerleaders for public education because I am.

That that's why but that does not mean and please do not confuse that to mean That everything is okey-dokey and perfect and that public school district can do no wrong No, the the baseline has to be a good quality education But you have to have a certain level of accountability not necessarily hostility like we see in the state capital But accountability at these school districts is extremely important Earl

Earl Ingram

Absolutely, and so at the root of what what I'm attempting to do with the guests and

And a series of podcasts dealing with education is peel back, you know, the onion and, and realize that even though I'm a supporter of Milwaukee public schools, these are taxpayer dollars.

And at a time when things, the taxpayers are struggling, we should make sure that we do everything within our power to not have school buildings that were built to house 2000 or more students when I was.

Young boy going to Milwaukee to public schools to now having 300 kids in the building that houses 2000 yeah and saying we can't shut it down come on

Pat Kreitlow

Come on is exactly right so to hear more of that discussion on the what's going on with Earl Ingram podcast head over to civicmedia.us Click on shows and learn more Earl always a pleasure.

Thank you so much for the visit

Earl Ingram

talk to you soon

Pat Kreitlow

All right, take care.

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Time for this week's climate check.

And Melissa Baldough joins us now.

Melissa's a little

a little tuckered.

She was at the game last night and that, again, you wanted to cheer.

The crowd wanted so bad to explode and it's just hard to do when the bats are that silent.

Yeah, and especially the way the game started off.

I mean, you know, there's no better way to start off the first inning with that, you know, with that bomb.

Pat Kreitlow

by Jackson Churio, yes.

By Churio.

And then the bats were pretty quiet after that, unfortunately.

I

Pat Kreitlow

know.

It was just odd.

And I can definitely feel the frustration that was coming from the crowd.

But again, all they got to do is win one game in LA and then bring it back here for game

six.

Or a couple.

A couple would be better.

Don't get me wrong.

Yeah, sure would.

We had the Dodgers number.

during the regular season.

So I'm hopeful that we can keep that Brewer's Magic alive out in California.

Pat Kreitlow

I hope so.

I really do.

So let's turn to climate matters.

And one of the things that I noticed and shared with you was, you know, in these times, there are people who never thought they would

speak out publicly about things.

Dr. Lylee talks about it all the time.

There are more doctors are talking about things than ever before.

Same goes for meteorologists who, again, just want to be nice and quiet and give you the forecast and not rock the boat.

But there are a growing number of people who are feeling the need to speak out.

And one that I noticed recently was Bob Lindmeier, who was a longtime TV meteorologist in the Madison area.

And he published an op-ed in the Cap Times a few days ago entitled climate denial by the Trump administration is costing lives and I won't bore you with all the details of the column I think you should you should go see it but Melissa the point being that people are speaking out who never thought they'd be speaking out because they see things like this and go I gotta say something

Yeah, I think that we're seeing a lot of people you know kind of be radicalized by

common sense, decency, and science.

And this is one of those times where we've got somebody speaking out who maybe never saw themselves speaking out in this kind of way in the perception of a more political space.

And I think that's important for people to do.

Anytime somebody has a voice and a point of view,

that they can really stress upon people that these are not normal times we're living in.

And the actions we're seeing out of the federal government are not actions that are in the best interest of the people of this country.

And I thought that was really probably one of my, I thought, best parts of this op-ed, which the whole thing was great.

And I agreed people should read this.

But when he said,

A responsible government would move to protect Americans from the harms of climate change using every lever of power available to stop the crisis from getting worse and help Americans cope with the impact that they're already facing.

And that is just the crux of it.

Yeah.

And then he takes that any better.

Pat Kreitlow

He takes that then a step further and says that, you know, the Trump administration has done the opposite.

It has frozen funding for clean energy initiatives that would have cut climate.

pollution and we have an example of that already in some of the other coverage of the week here with a story in the Wisconsin Examiner by Eric Gunn that says Wisconsin could lose 130 million dollars as energy department as the energy department under Trump.

targets grants that were awarded under the Biden administration.

And of course, this is happening across the country, but that 130 million in Wisconsin clean energy related projects.

I mean, that's the Trump administration not only taking a whack at climate, but taking a whack at economic development and new jobs in Wisconsin.

Exactly.

So these are the grants that are at risk here are projects that help boost energy efficiency,

expand energy battery storage systems, also workforce development, money that is going to help young people go into apprenticeships in the trades, the folks that are going to be building this clean energy economy.

That is our future, whether the Trump administration wants to admit it or not.

So, you know, this is something that, you know, is a benefit.

These investments are a benefit across the board and

cutting this means that we're going to see higher electric bills.

We're going to see more money coming out of people's pockets.

We're going to see fewer opportunities for folks who are looking to get a start in a good paying career.

So this is something that is going to really hurt across the board for Wisconsinites if this goes through.

And also I would say some of these projects are

are underway.

And so this creates a lot of uncertainty for businesses as well when they start planning these large scale projects with the...

expectation that they're going to have investment and support from the federal government.

And then that's yanked away from them.

Pat Kreitlow

Exactly.

And it's a it's a, you know, it does something to a sense of trust that you have a Congress that has approved funds and an administration, the Biden administration, allocating the funds, and then a Trump administration trying to claw that money back.

Again, just erodes trust in what should be a process that creates jobs and prosperity.

Melissa Baldoff with our weekly climate check.

Melissa, thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

I hope you get to go to a successful Brewers game next time and have a great day.

Thanks, you too.

Pat Kreitlow

All right, when we come back, we will be talking to Leslie Doc from Protect Our Care about the health care stakes in the government shutdown.

That's coming up next.

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Let's talk now about the government shutdown.

And it really is that simple.

It's about health care.

It's about affordable health care and whether certain

cuts and price increases are, you know, enshrined and take hold, or if some of those can be undone so that health insurance coverage remains affordable to Americans.

That's what's at the heart of all of this.

And the group protect our care has been working on this issue for well over a decade.

Now, the National Chair of the group Leslie Doc is with us right now to talk more about it.

Leslie, good morning.

How are you?

Thank you for joining

us.

Thanks, Pat.

Thanks for having me talk about this incredibly important issue that's about the slam Wisconsinites in their pocketbooks and worse.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Now, when we talk healthcare, we can talk about several different things.

There's the way that the, you know, the big bloated boondoggle from the Trump budget, I mean, there are ways in it that harm Medicare.

There's, of course, the trillion dollars in Medicaid cuts.

But then there's also the expiration of these enhanced tax credits so that people who buy policies through the Affordable Care Act marketplace, so those policies are a bit more affordable.

at the at the heart of this Leslie is is simply that it's it's what what are democrats saying that they want in return for votes that would help republicans pass a bill that opens up the government

what they're saying is that and what they are saying is what the american people believe that health care america should be affordable republicans are refusing to come back to washington and do the nation's business they control all three

parts of the government, the House, the Senate, and obviously the presidency, they could fix this any day they wanted to.

But instead, they won't even show up for work.

The House of Representatives hasn't been in Washington for weeks.

Democrats are there.

Republicans even refused to come to the office.

And as a result,

There will be hundreds of thousands of people in the state of Wisconsin who will face agonizing choices about whether or not they can afford their health care.

And, you know, this is an economic issue for people.

We all know in our families, when somebody gets sick, it takes over the kitchen table.

And imagine having to face a serious illness knowing that you can't afford to see a doctor.

But that's what the Republicans have chosen to do.

Let's remember that these are the same folks who are giving a $4 trillion tax cut to the big corporations and the richest of the rich.

But when it comes to hardworking Americans, they won't even come to the office.

Pat Kreitlow

It won't even.

And that tells you the fact that they're actually looking to exacerbate the pain that Americans are feeling should tell you something about where their priorities and where their values are.

Now,

There's an interesting distinction here that I think would help more people understand what's at stake.

It's the notion of things that were temporary, either being made permanent or at least being extended.

So you mentioned the $4 trillion tax cut geared toward the very wealthy.

Those are the 2017 tax cuts from Trump's first term.

They were slated to expire at the end of this year or next year, and Republicans insisted on extending those and making many of them permanent.

Now it's Democrats who want to make something either permanent or extended, and it's the enhanced tax credits.

So, I mean, there's really no big mystery here, Leslie, that both parties see things that they would like to see extended.

Republicans got what they wanted, but they won't even negotiate with Democrats for what they want.

Well, yeah, and I hate even to put this in the party lines in that way, because we're talking about the economics well-being and

matters of life and death for American families, who are going to see staggering increases because of this.

If you're a 60-year-old couple in Wisconsin, and you make $82,000 a year as an example, your premium costs are going to increase by $20,000.

Now, that's a staggering blow to people.

And the fact is,

Just the service on the debt that the Republicans are forcing Americans to pay in order to have that massive tax cuts for the rich is a larger dollar amount than it would be to make sure that these help for middle class Americans doesn't go away.

So it's not about the money, it's just that they believe people

hardworking people should have to do everything on their own and lose their health care.

And the other reason why I think it's important to be, yes, it's a partisan divide.

Yes, in Washington DC, Republicans refuse to do it and Democrats are fighting for it.

But in America, in the heartland, it is a totally bipartisan issue.

74% of Republicans want these

want this economic help to come back so this is not shouldn't be seen as it's really republicans in government versus real americans

Pat Kreitlow

yeah and we got into this discussion earlier this morning about the what i would label as amnesia about what things were like before the affordable care act and i reminded folks that a 2008 poll among many

showed that 82% of Americans wanted the system overhauled.

So yes, while my last question was through a partisan frame, you're absolutely right to point out that Americans have known since well before the Affordable Care Act that our healthcare system needs to be more focused on.

on the people rather than the, you know, the profits and the politicians.

So it definitely sounds like the work that you're doing has the vast majority of Americans on your side.

Without, without doubt.

And, you know, it's really, you can't even explain it to people.

I mean, why would people do this?

Why would they refuse to come to work?

Why would they raise healthcare costs for hardworking people to the point where they're going to have where

In Wisconsin alone, over 100,000 people will probably lose their insurance completely because they can't afford it.

And make believe that that's something that the American people want.

Pat Kreitlow

We are talking with Leslie Dock.

He's the National Chair of Protect Our Care about the stakes in this for all Americans, frankly.

I know that people would like to say, well, this is just about people who are on the Affordable Care Act.

But as we remember from, again, pre-

2010 if you're going to increase the number of uninsured Americans and that's what these price hikes are going to do if you increase the number of uninsured Americans, they're still going to get care.

So that's still good.

Now it's going to be uncompensated care.

And then we all end up paying the premiums.

I mean, Leslie, you

know all this.

Pat Kreitlow

It's a weird sense of deja vu from what we had in this country prior to 2010.

Yeah.

And look, the fact is that Americans, you know, they were skeptical of the Affordable Care Act at the beginning, but now they overwhelmingly support it.

But Republicans just want to play politics with this.

And, you know, no one can really have a, there's no reason.

You know, they throw that money away to big corporations, any chance they can get.

But they won't do that for real people.

I want to mention one date because November 1st is when the open enrollment

for ACA insurance that starts.

And that's the date by which when people, when enrollees go to the website and wanna have insurance for next year, they will see the staggering prices that they're gonna have to pay.

This will be amazing.

And just put yourself in the shoes.

all of us have in one way or another.

If it's not us, we've had a relative or a family member.

And now what they want to do is we're relying on quality care.

And now they just want to take it away.

See you later.

Pat Kreitlow

It's funny that you talk about quality care because we do get people that say, well, you know, before the Affordable Care Act, there were more options and premiums were lower.

And I felt the need to remind people early in the program, and I'll do it again right now.

Yeah, there were lower premiums.

There were more policies.

And you know what?

A lot of them were junk.

And if you never needed them, well, then you didn't know.

You just thought oh health insurance is cheap, but man if there are how many how many horror stories Leslie did we see people thought I've never needed health care before I've always paid my premiums and now I find out that after years of paying premiums They're denying me coverage.

That was the way it was

pre-existing conditions Yes, you know you had a bad cough.

They could deny you coverage.

You you know you were born with something and you

you know, you stayed in the ICU when you were a baby, your whole life they can deny you coverage.

So, you know, these are things that, look, the healthcare system is not perfect.

It's too expensive.

We all agree.

But instead of trying to make it better, these folks want to take it backwards and they want to take Americans along with them.

Pat Kreitlow

And it continues to be a mystery of why they would want to do that, because again, the whole point of governance is that you take something and you make it better.

Instead, we've heard repeal and replace, but there was never a replacement.

And I guess I would simply still ask the president, how are you doing with those concepts of a plan?

Because he was asked point blank in the debate.

What's your replacement?

Do you have a plan?

And he says, well, I have concepts of a plan.

Well,

Where where's that plan and we're we're still waiting you're you're not hearing anything new about a new plan from the Republicans, right?

Well, I'm we're living their plan That's true.

Yes.

They have a plan.

Yeah, it's to take health care away From millions of Americans and they get unaffordable for many more so they got a plan I mean don't give them the credit of being dumb

Pat Kreitlow

We are talking to Leslie Dock who's the National Chair of Protect Our Care.

And so in bringing this to a conclusion, Leslie, what is it that you'd like folks to do?

Because I know people have been, they'll be at No Kings Rallys this weekend talking about the cuts to Medicaid and Medicare.

Kathryn Lake

But

Pat Kreitlow

if when it comes to the enhanced tax credits, is that the thing that you would want people to call their congressman and tell them to protect and extend?

Yes, it's, you know, because it has this impinging deadline.

But we're still going to have to have fights next year on Medicaid and on Medicare.

But this one is the one I think that's right in front of us now.

And I think also, you know, look at Wisconsin and the people.

You have one senator, Senator Baldwin, who's crisscrossing the entire state to build support for.

uh, maintaining and not take for, for, you know, not taking away these tax credits.

And then you have people like Van Orden and, uh, your other senator, uh, who's going nameless, um, but Ron Johnson, um, who won't even go, you know, Van Orden won't even go to work.

So there is a, but so the thing to do is we have to convince those Republicans that this isn't about some weird ideology that they have.

This is about the life and death of millions of Americans and their economic stability as well.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, Leslie Doc is the national chair for protect our care, which continues to be highly outspoken on these topics.

And of course, we've talked to Joseph Peckie many a time here in Wisconsin about that.

And Leslie, we really appreciate you joining us again to talk about things from a national standpoint and giving us those Wisconsin figures as well.

Thanks for all you do.

Thanks for the visit and have a great day.

Thanks for having me.

All right, again, that's Leslie and we'll be talking to Joseph Becky, of course, tomorrow morning, as we do every week, surely about matters related to protect our care.

And the aforementioned no Kings rallies I talked about coming up after the break.

I'm going to start to review some of them.

There's 85 of them.

I'm not going to get to all of them.

Maybe maybe so.

Let me go take a big drink of water wet my whistle and see if we can get you linked up with a place somewhere in your area code that you might want to attend this week.

and let people know what you think about the current state of politics today.

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All right, well, all across the country are going to be rallies again.

And you heard Earl Ingram talking about them earlier this hour, because they were held originally

was it may i don't i don't i don't remember now but uh we had we had rallies all across the country the trump administration had had only been in office for three four months but it was already looking like things were going to be going off the rails and there were people that wanted to express themselves

Well, since that time, a whole lot more has happened and a whole lot more people would like to express their thoughts on what it's like to have a president that sends troops into the streets, masked troops that do not have warrants making arrests, bait, well, not arrests, kidnapping people right off the streets, disappearing them, making decisions on not funding things based on political party.

We have members of Congress who are getting people fired.

because they want to deny them their freedom of speech to give an opinion on something or somebody that they happen to disagree with.

We have somebody who unilaterally is putting tariffs in place willy nilly.

You never know which day it's going to be.

Congress is supposed to have an oversight role about this, but they, of course, abdicated all of that.

You've got all the grift that's going on the billions of dollars that's gone into Donald Trump's pockets since he became president because of the rampant corruption.

It's no wonder people want to maybe express themselves again.

And again, what comes of this?

What comes of this is people understanding that they're not alone in saying, this is not normal.

We should not normalize this.

And by the way, this happened another time.

There's one other note from today's history lesson that I haven't told you about yet.

But it was on this day, October 15, 1969, that there were massive demonstrations across the country.

It was called the moratorium to end the war in Vietnam.

And on October 15, 1969, people all across the country marched in big cities and in small cities to make the point that we are sick of what we are seeing.

Did it end the war the next day?

No.

Did it help lead to an end of the war?

Yes.

Because when enough Americans get together to express themselves in that way, it moves politicians.

They do.

They know who's calling their offices, not who, but they know how many people are calling their offices to express an opinion on this or that.

And when they see the pendulum swing like that, they move along.

And so that's why you're gonna see a healthy turnout at places and maybe some of them are close to you.

Now, I don't know that I can get to all 85 of these in about three minutes, but let me tell you about some of them.

I made a list basically up and down Wisconsin left to right top to bottom.

So I'm starting in Superior where they'll be at the Douglas County Courthouse at noon.

in Bayfield across from Siegel Bay at 10 a.m.

There will be a Washburn one at 10 a.m.

Ashland and Pearson Plaza at noon, Brule near the post office at noon, Hayward at democracy corner at noon, Spooner at noon, Siren, I love Siren, Siren at the traffic light.

Siren at the traffic light 10 a.m.

On Saturday rice lake across from marketplace foods at 10 a.m.

Over to Eagle River They'll be in Wall Street Square at 11 a.m.

In Monaco at Veterans Park at 11 a.m.

Saturday in Phillips at the Price County Courthouse at 1 o'clock Saturday afternoon in Rhinelander at Pioneer Park at noon Let me pause here to say you don't have to be writing these down if you forget one.

They're all at one website

No Kings.

These are the No Kings rallies.

No Kings.org.

As I was saying, in Amory at Sioux line Park at noon.

Lady Smith has one at 9am River Falls at the public library at 11am.

Menominee in Wilson Park at 2pm and Chippewa Falls at the Peace Circle at 4pm.

Eau Claire starts at 10am.

If you don't hear me give a location in a city, chances are there was a No Kings rally this spring.

And I've been told that

It'll be at the same location even if they forgot to make note of it here in Medford across from the farmers market at 9 a.m.

Saturday and ago at noon Marinette Menominee Stevenson Island Park at 11 30 Saturday morning Shawno at Franklin Park at 11 a.m.

In Wasaw the rally starts at noon and Prescott it starts at 9 a.m.

In Marshfield it starts at noon in Juddville up in Door County The rally gets started at 2 p.m.

in Algoma Legion Park at 11 a.m.

Stevens Point at 11am.

In Pepin, the Laurel Ingalls Wilder Park at 11am.

Green Bay has a rally planned for 3pm Saturday.

Black River Falls will be at the BRF bridge at 11am.

And La Crosse at Javavino.

I'm interested in a place called Javavino.

Now that I know there's such a place in La Crosse, Saturday at noon.

Sparta at the corner of Wisconsin Street and Black River Street at 11am.

Wisconsin Rapids at 10 a.m., Wapaka at 2 p.m., in Manitowoc at Washington Park at 11 a.m., in Watoma at 11 a.m., in Oshkosh at Hiker Park at 1 p.m.

Over to Friendship Now, the Adams County Courthouse at noon, Boston starts at 11.45, Montello at Daggett Memorial Park at noon, ripping at the Little White Schoolhouse, birthplace of the Republican Party, starts at 11.30 Saturday.

Fond du Lac at 9.30, Sheboygan, Peace Park at 1 o'clock, Verroqua 10 a.m.

Reedsburg at the community market at noon, Baraboo at 10, Beaver Dam near the Fox Brothers Piggly Wiggly at 11 a.m.

Does it get more Americana than this?

In West Bend, Republican as all get out West Bend, folks are going to gather at the Washington County Government Center at 1 p.m.

Richland Center at 1 p.m.

Sock Prairie at the Highway 12 Bridge near Quicktrip at 10 a.m.

Little Maisel Mani has a rally starting at noon Waterloo at Veterans Memorial Park at noon.

And then I can't get to all the rest of them here.

We're in the final minute of the show.

But Watertown, Economowoc, Prairie Duchine, Lancaster, Dodgeville, Nuclarus, Albany, Monroe, Janesville, Deleving, Sun Prairie, Middleton, Madison, Minona, McFarland Park, Stoughton, Lake Mills, Cambridge, Fort Atkinson, Economowoc, Cedarburg, Brookfield, Waukesha, Muskego, Union Grove, Kenosha, Racine, Mount Pleasant, Greenfield, Shorewood, Cudahay, and Milwaukee, Cathedral Square, 11 a.m.

MC'd by Earl Ingram.

Get out there on Saturday and express yourself peacefully, but loudly.

I'm Pat Crite low mat and air on air is next.

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We'll see you tomorrow morning.

Kathryn Lake

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