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Now, from our Lake WSOTA studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Kratlow.

Thank you, Don Roone.

Nice to hear your voice again, because it's now accurate.

We're back here on the shores of Lake WSOTA and beautiful Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin on a Friday morning.

October 10th, 2025.

It's nice to have you along from wherever you're listing all across the Civic Media Radio Network or catching us on YouTube or Facebook, either the Civic Media sites or the Up North News sites.

We appreciate you wrapping up the week right here.

Alicia right away on YouTube saying welcome home.

Thank you, Alicia, very much.

Certainly appreciate that.

I got a question for you and it's a slam dunk.

Is there anything like sleeping in your own bed?

It's nice to travel.

Don't get me wrong, especially when you're seeing family.

But after several nights away, boy, did I sleep like a baby last night.

Part of the reason being, I just did not have confidence that the Brewers were going to pull it off.

And they most certainly did not pull it off last night.

So we go to an elimination game.

One game, winner take all Brewers Cubs coming up Saturday night at American Family Field.

Let's check in with producer Parker Olsen and see if once again, he stayed up way too late for the disappointment of a brewer's loss in Chicago.

Nope.

He looks a little bit more awake, just entirely disillusioned.

Mr. Olsen, good morning.

Is it a good morning, Pat?

I don't think it's a

good morning.

For me, I slept in my, when I went to bed and whatever, whatever, I'll forget what the score was, four to one or whatever at that point.

And I just, I had, we didn't score Pat.

Or for nothing.

Yeah, whatever it was.

You're right because I went to bed thinking, you know, I'm guessing my guess was that I was going to wake up and find out that the final score was 11 to nothing.

And it wasn't it was six, six, nothing, right?

And, and that was enough.

So it's just, I mean, when you see Freddie Peralta, you know, again, much like

you know, Quinn Priest are just not able to hit their points.

And it's not like they haven't played at Wrigley Field before.

So why are you letting the, why are you letting the Cubs crowd get to you?

But they did.

And, you know, the Brewers bats didn't have any answer.

And so those two games at Wrigley are as forgettable as they come, unless the Brewers lose tomorrow and then they won't be forgettable.

We will always be talking about messing up those two games at Wrigley Field.

Yeah, there were a couple of times last night where the birds had a couple of like decently hard hit balls, but they were straight at somebody.

And to me, that's kind of just like the signal that it's not going to be your day because that tends to be how the brewers work.

They put the ball in play, something happens, they get on base, they manufacture runs, but that was absolutely not working yesterday.

And to your point too, yeah, the pitching, for whatever reason, that first standing is such a bugaboo and Freddie Pearl to

He's not I've said this before he may be a little bit of a Cy Young candidate, but he's not exactly a Pleasant watch

No, I mean no matter how good he's doing they call him fastball Freddy for a reason, but it's just not to it.

It's not Consisted enough that he might get some votes for the Cy Young award, but he's not going to win it and it's

I don't think it's so much

The inconsistency, I think he's doing exactly what he wants to do.

He said that last night.

Yeah, he said he, yeah,

he's entirely.

Uncompetitive when he's ahead in account and it's frustrating

as

all

get out.

Yeah, so that that's what happened That's that's the short version of what happened and Mike Clemens will be along at 835 to talk about that To talk about you know the deciding game five tomorrow at American Family Field and I can tell you right now that Because it's it's the last game of all the league series.

There's there's an American League Elimination game tonight So that's at seven o'clock and in the National League Elimination game will be tomorrow night.

So that one is now at seven o'clock and so

coverage will begin Saturday at 6 30 on several civic media stations across the network.

As for the other series, we'll just cover those real briefly here.

It was a case of finding out that, you know, either the cubs or the brewers are going to play the Dodgers, the Dodgers move on on one of the craziest, most frustrating, dumbest plays that will haunt Philadelphia Phillies.

fans for the foreseeable future, where the Dodgers have a runner on third.

The Dodger hitter, it's a comeback or two, the pitcher, but he bobbles it.

He could have either thrown to first and got the third out or threw it home.

He chose to throw it home after bobbling it.

And I mean, he threw it just a bit outside.

And that was it Dodgers score on a on a weird.

Muffed throw it had to go what 20 feet from the pitcher to the catcher.

It

wasn't just he missed the catcher wildly and the Dodgers advanced so that was so hard to watch I felt so bad for that guy

Oh, for him and for all the fans.

So the Dodgers move on and wait to see if they play the Brewers or the Cubs because it also determines home field advantage.

If the Brewers win, then the National League Championship Series will start in Milwaukee on Monday night and the Brewers will have the home field advantage.

If the Brewers lose to the Cubs, then they'll take on the Dodgers, but the Dodgers will have the home field advantage starting on Monday.

Meanwhile, in the American League, like I said, there's a clinching game tonight that will be Detroit at Seattle Tigers versus Mariners seven o'clock tonight.

The winner will travel to Toronto for the American League Championship Series Game One, which will be Sunday night.

So any chance we can get Brandon Woodruff back by tomorrow?

That's I'm just thinking about our pitchers.

That's the other stupid thing about it is it seems like once Woodruff went down, everything went out the window.

Nothing is going well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The the air just went out of the balloon.

It felt like not entirely because obviously we still have had some big innings.

Yeah.

But pitching pitching wise, it just hasn't been everything that we would want it to be.

While we're on the subject of sports here, of course, we've got.

high school football tonight on several stations across the Civic Media radio network.

And then, of course, we've got Badger football tomorrow.

The Badger's taking on Iowa.

And again, let me clarify because I said it wrong multiple times this week.

The Badgers are home against Iowa.

It's homecoming in Madison.

Coverage begins tomorrow at four on several Civic Media stations.

And then on Sunday, the Packers are back in action, taking on the Cincinnati Bengals.

Coverage begins at one o'clock for a 325 kickoff on several civic media stations.

Again, head over to civicmedia.us to learn more.

Gonna be a little weird for the Packers to face Joe Flacco again, since they faced him as the Cleveland Browns quarterback a couple of weeks back.

And now they're facing him as the newly acquired Cincinnati Bengals

quarterback.

I wonder how many times this has happened that a team has played against the same quarterback.

twice in a season, but not on the same team.

Not much.

It can't be right.

I mean, no midseason trades of a quarterback don't happen much and within the division and to be a starter and to be a starter.

Yeah, just that is that caught everybody's attention.

And certainly does that help the Packers because they've played them already?

You know, who's to say?

Because he's he's only one of 11 people there behind the ball.

So.

Badger Women's Volleyball, they are seventh ranked in the country.

They will travel to Penn State tonight to take on the Nittany Lions there.

And so we'll follow all that and have some results Monday morning for you along the way.

We mentioned that Mike Clements is coming up.

Also ahead, we're going to be talking to Dr. Kristen Lyrely.

And again, forgive the strong language here, but we're going to talk about another

Stupid thing said by Robert Kennedy jr.

Somehow connecting autism to circumcision via Tylenol in baby boys and There is a meme in like the movie airplane where first

one person one person puts their their face on their on their head.

And then other people do and then like the entire theater audience puts their hand on their head.

Yes, I felt like that was the entire medical community yesterday.

And that was just one of several things.

I mean, let's just say Dr. Lirely is is what's the phrase loaded for bear.

She is ready to

talk about this.

So

I have yet to see this clip and I am a little worried.

Yeah, we should be.

We'll also have, of course, our regular week and review panel with journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schultz and former US Attorney Jim Santel.

And of course, one of the big topics this week deals with President Trump being able to send the military into cities just willy-nilly.

And let me put it to you this way.

How do you think people in Oklahoma, let's say Tulsa, how do you think people in Tulsa would feel if a Democratic president sent the Illinois National Guard into their city?

So troops from Chicago basically invading Tulsa because that's essentially what's happening in reverse with people in Chicago as red states are complying with President Trump's desire to play soldier, to play general.

Well, we can say that out loud, but you know who else said it out loud?

A top Republican official in the state of Oklahoma.

One of the few Republicans speaking up going, that's not how this country is supposed to work.

That's not how our system of federalism is supposed to work, where the president can send troops from one state into another state without that governor's permission.

This isn't a case of oh, there's there's some kind of insurrection.

There's some kind of national emergency Trump says there is except for this one problem.

It's there's not He's sending people into Chicago that just had a summer with the least amount of murders since 1965 Okay These are made up things that distract from the shutdown where they're trying to inflict maximum pain

distract from the ongoing cover-up of the Epstein files and distract from the fact that inflation is still very persistent for the American consumer.

It's a distraction from Americans who are just now starting to realize how much more expensive their health insurance premiums are going to shoot up because

Republicans in Congress voted for that big bloated boondoggle, which removed the affordable from the Affordable Care Act.

But the president has figured out a way to make this all about, you know, make all that go away.

And let's talk about whether troops should be in Chicago and in Portland and in Memphis and in Washington DC and every place else.

So we will talk to former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel about that, along with Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze.

You go over that and some of the other stories of the week.

Now, of course, we've got stories that we're following here at Upfront News.

I'm putting together our weekend newsletter and that will include our question of the week, which this past week was all about, you know, who would be your first choice in the Democratic primary for governor?

Well needless to say this Sunday's edition is going to be kind of a reset on the race because Josh call Decided not to run for governor Missy Hughes jumped into the race for governor and there are still other rumblings out there names like Mandela Barnes names like Ron kind that are being bounced around so To what degree is the is the field set yet?

We'll kind of give you a reset in this weekend's newsletter and we'll come up with a new question of the week And if you want to be among the first to see it

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Up North News is a separate entity from civic media.

But gosh, golly, do we love having this partnership every weekday morning from six to nine across the stations of the civic media radio network.

So a lot to cover here, including

In just a bit, we're going to talk about, again, the hypocrisy of saying support our troops and thank you for your service when that's not really what's happening.

That's coming up next.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back.

It is 6 20 just about 6 23 now on this Friday morning.

I was just sipping some coffee.

It's so good.

Not just sleep in your own bed, but to have your own coffee.

Again, just all the comforts here.

My chair feels better.

The lighting feels but my Parker my face now has a color that appears in nature.

Once again, you do look better.

Thank you.

I feel better.

Compared to the weird lighting in hotel rooms and guest bedrooms and things like that.

Still got to work on yours over there, man.

I mean, you you are as I as I discovered being there a week before last you are a handsome young man.

You never know watching this show.

It's it's not your fault at all.

No, we'll we'll talk to we'll worry about that later.

But it's nice to have things.

Everything is back where it needs to be.

My Roy Kent coffee mug for Fridays is here.

Coffee tastes better.

Yeah.

You know, what else is better is being back into the regular routine of checking things on my own computer.

which includes Civic Media's new daily newsletter.

It's filled with lots of links to show highlights and more.

Head over to Substack specifically.

Go to CivicMediaToday.Substack.com again, CivicMediaToday.Substack.com and be a part of it all.

Let's see, Roger and Stephen's point brings up the news that

It's rather sad especially for college basketball fans.

Sister Jean Schmidt, the Loyola basketball superfan and team chaplain, died at age 106.

She became a sports world celebrity at the age of 98.

as the number one fan for Loyola University during their Cinderella run in the NCAA final fours, but has passed away now at the age of 106.

Roger, thank you for letting us know about that.

Let's see, we also had Tony commenting on YouTube about potential gubernatorial candidates.

First he goes, Tom Nelson with a big explanation point.

And then Luke Mathers.

with a big exclamation exclamation point.

He also says that he appreciates the new lighting.

Thank you.

Because he says Parker is ghost white in person too, right?

No, no, he's not he's he nobody looks normal in that room.

It's close.

We're going to we're going to work on it.

He also says, are we going to talk about Emily Cephos running again for assembly?

Yes, at some point we are Emily Cephos, a friend of the show here is running again in Assembly District 56.

That's important because currently Assembly District 56 has a representative who does not live in the district has been playing fast and loose with his residential address and

Emily thought that it might be time once again for residents in that Fox Valley area district to have a representative who would represent them by living in the place that they're supposed to represent.

So yes, we will most definitely be talking to Emily all about that in the coming days as well.

But for the moment, I just want to talk about a real pet peeve of mine.

And my ongoing mission to help more people understand that the politicians who are loudest about back the blue and support the troops and thank you for your service are sometimes the most hypocritical when it comes to actual backing and support and gratitude.

The most recent example could be seen late yesterday in the nation's capital.

as the Senate passed a new defense policy bill, a $925 million bill that's going to talk all about some of the broad policy of the military and the, you know, the outlines of the Pentagon budget whenever the government does open again, but they did not include a provision in there that would have kept paying the troops during a government shutdown.

because most federal employees will not get paid next week.

And the same goes for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and all who support them.

They could have changed that.

The bills are gonna keep coming, but the paychecks will not.

Of course, this all happened at the same US Capitol where insurrectionists beat and maimed scores of law enforcement officers.

And yet has there been anything other than indifference as their party leaders?

pardoned those domestic terrorists.

While we're on the subject these are the same people who in DC and in Madison and elsewhere pass budgets that squeeze local coffers already hard-pressed to pay for police and other law enforcement.

Talk is cheap when it comes to backing the blue if you don't really fund who it is that you claim to support.

And of course, we've covered active duty troops and law enforcement.

Let's not forget veterans who face higher probabilities of homelessness and suicide and drug addiction and other things.

The people who beat the drum hardest for war and for supporting our troops sure have a funny way of showing it lately.

At the federal level, of course, we can talk all about the cuts to the VA healthcare system.

We have talked about them.

There will be more to come.

And then closer to home, two shelters to help homeless veterans had to shut down in the state because Republicans zeroed out the budget for them, even as it turns out when there might be free resources being offered.

According to a report from WQOWTV in Eau Claire, a contractor has been willing to work with the Wisconsin Department of Veteran Affairs to replace the aging Klein Hall facility in Chippewa Falls at no cost.

for the construction, only the cost to lease it once it's built.

A Department of Veterans Affairs spokesperson or an official, rather, confirmed that they were working with the company on the offer, but the funding needed to enter the contract didn't go through because Republican leadership isn't exactly rushing to embrace what now turns out to be free help for veterans.

Again, we've talked several times about this being the legislature's fall session, but it has been plotting along.

Even as these facilities for homeless veterans had to stop operations and shut down.

But again, we're seeing where their real priorities are when it comes to our veterans, to our military, and to law enforcement.

And I just want people to keep that in mind whenever you hear the pithy sayings like back the blue and support our troops.

Talk is cheap.

Coming up next today's history lesson, how about this for a rundown?

David Lee Roth, Neil Diamond, Greg Bach, and former vice president, Spiro Agnew.

That's all ahead.

I'm Pat Crichtlow.

You're up north.

Starting today's history lesson with little David Lee Roth for his 71st birthday born this day in 1954 in Bloomington, Indiana Just a gigolo which it was decades later that I learned that that is that was actually not some kind of an original song Although it's just some funny thing he put together It's like an old timey song.

It goes like way way back Very few people know that but Greg Bach did and Greg Bob joins us as always on Friday as far history lesson.

Mr. Bach good morning

Good morning to everyone.

Good morning to you, Pat.

Good morning to Parker.

Good every day.

I'm sorry, I'm very tired.

Very,

very tired.

You know what you need?

You need more pumpkin spice.

I need more pumpkin spice.

Get it flowing.

I'm

just a Greggalo.

Everywhere I go.

Thank you very much.

That's

like 1930 or something like it's from the late 20s or early 30s.

I know that a year or two back we.

Oh, it was Louis Prima.

That's right.

Yes.

Yes.

1929.

Yeah.

Is when it first came out and you know, again, it was it was much more.

not romantic, but almost almost serious.

And David Lee Roth, of course, turned it into something fun and goofy.

I'm just chigolo, man.

Everywhere I go.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's funny.

I wrote this for guys.

I really wrote this really deep deep within self-reflective tune, man.

Oh, music is weird.

Okay.

Hi.

Good morning.

Hey, no.

Nice to have you.

And David Lee Roth, of course, who, you know, when he left Van Halen, managed to have, I shouldn't say managed to have, but did have a good solo career.

And Van Halen went on just fine with Sammy Hagar after that.

I just two things about that.

First of all, I did not know until this moment that he was from Bloomington, Indiana.

He had to be the most annoying kid in Bloomington, Indiana.

I don't know what sound did David Letterman grow up

in?

That makes sense.

So in Indiana, like he's got more of an Indiana Midwest vibe of like the dry sarcastic way.

Whereas you just see a little David Lee Roth doing cartwheels down the main street.

Like he's got to get out of here.

He's got to leave.

He's never going to farm.

He's weird.

Also, I just also like the idea like, hey, I'm in the biggest rock band in the world.

You know what I should do?

Go out of my own because that will go real well.

Yeah.

It could go wrong.

It gets you a hit or two, but that's truly about it.

Yeah.

Name ID.

Come on.

Yep, exactly.

A couple of other birthdays, both of them involving presidential aspirations.

There's Bradley Whitford from the West Wing.

and Wisconsin's own who is 66 years old today and then California Governor Gavin Newsom is 58 years old today so could you see a day maybe you know the next presidential campaign it's it's the Gavin Newsom Bradley Whitford ticket that would get some votes

oh god no thank you wow

no it was unexpected

All right.

Well, let's let's instead get back to the music because on this day in 1970 the number one song was by Neil Diamond Your Neil Diamond impression these days Not exist not as good as Neil Diamond.

Yeah, that was the number one song this day in 1970 Hey, I got I got a couple more birthdays of people who might have presidential aspirations

Happy birthday, Brett Favre.

He is 56 years old today.

You're a mean

man, dude.

He's already really big into funding stuff, so.

Yeah, see.

And Dale Earnhardt Jr.

is 51 years old today.

And I'm sure a few NASCAR folks would still do that.

They'd support him.

On this day in 1992, Garth Brooks' album, The Chase, debuted at number one on the album chart with tracks that included That Summer.

And this single.

When the whole Bud Light debacle happened, was that like a thousand years ago or was it like six months ago?

I don't remember now.

I'm more in between, yeah.

But you know, the Bud Light thing happened and Kid Rock decided to beat up some

beer with a gun, and then he said, I'm not serving Bud Light in my bar anymore.

And people were like, yeah.

And then Garth Brooks was opening up his Nashville bar, and they're like, are you going to do that?

He goes, yes.

If people want to drink Bud Light, I'll serve it.

He just was like, this is dumb.

Why am I talking about this right now?

Yes, which is completely in keeping with who he is.

Yeah.

And why, at that point, a lot of the Bud Light think people would like, yeah, OK.

Yeah, people should be able to drink what they want to drink.

Yeah.

Who are we to dictate your beer?

So, yeah, it's Garth Brooks'... It is Friday, isn't it?

After a day of travel.

Garth Brooks' album, The Chase, debuted at number one this day in 1992.

Garth Brooks was one of many cameos, Greg, in the series I still am plotting through on the flight down and on the flight back, the Billy Joel documentary.

Oh, my gosh.

And Garth Brooks has some, you know, just incredible comments about Billy Joel and...

I really wanted to finish it yesterday, but I just, I couldn't, couldn't get it done before the Brewers game started.

And it's fine because I would have hogged up the whole show today.

Whenever I finished this thing, we're basically doing a Billy Joel appreciation show.

Will you will you do that?

Like start at least started on a Friday when I'm excited to talk about that for hours.

I want I watched it in one sitting.

I'm like, I'll start watching it.

And I'm like, nine hours later.

No, it's a beast.

And you keep thinking, okay, this thing's probably wrapping up now.

And it doesn't but it doesn't drag on the next story is just as compelling as the one before.

Yeah.

And I mean, the segment we could do just rattling off, say

just one or two lines of song lyrics from this song, this song, this thing, you guys should listen to these.

So you want to do that next Friday?

I'd love to do that next.

I might I might have to watch it again just to freshen up.

There you go.

I will say this though.

Anytime Garth Brooks is interviewed about anything, it's always amazing because he treats every interview like he is giving a like Nobel Prize winning speech.

He just treats it with such like the thing about Billy Joe, you don't understand.

Oh, yes, he did.

His documentary, his own documentary.

He cries like nine times while he's talking.

Wow.

And by the way, from being in Nashville last weekend, my favorite bar there was Garth Brooks.

Garth Brooks one.

Nice.

Nice.

I want to

go back.

I want to go back.

Yeah.

Can't wait.

Oh, look at that.

We used up all the music from there.

I guess we got to get back to doing something here.

So

Billy Joel's documentary.

Let's go

to 1995 again, where no doubt released their breakthrough album, Tragic Kingdom, with hits like Just A Girl and this

one.

Okay, what year?

This came out in 98?

95.

And it sold 10 million copies and catapulted Gwen Stefani to star in

them.

Parker.

What year were you born?

2003.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

This is not a setup.

I'm just saying this album Parker, this song we're playing right now.

Imagine hearing this song on at least four different radio stations a day, at least three times a day on each station.

This song.

What could not stop being played?

Oh God, that's not even like that breaks the rules of what you're supposed to do.

And on top of that, and on top of that, this was back when MTV was playing videos too.

So the video plays like five times a day.

Yes.

The world was quick to embrace Gwen Stefani.

Yeah, they like to be good.

Good voice.

She stands out.

She certainly

embraced.

She's bracing Jesus and Trump lately.

Anyway, on this day in 1845, in Annapolis, Maryland, a school that would become the United States Naval Academy opens with 50 students.

And so I believe for our favorite Navy veteran, Alicia, we have to do a shout out to her for that.

This day in 1946 was born the late singer-songwriter, John Prine, who passed away in 2020.

It's the birthday, 65th birthday for Eric Martin of the band, Mr. Big.

was

this were they one hit wonder did they have

yeah they

were

but I will I will say this song slaps and another song that was everywhere on contemporary radio you could not get away from it the you know the the hair band that had all the rock and tunes and they had their sensitive ballad but their bass player and guitar player to like the best players and music like they were so.

good but you're like oh like you had no idea because it's a very simple song it

is but in 1991 late 91 early 92 it was everywhere yep yeah

yeah

also born this day in 1917 Thelonious Monk the jazz pianist and composer happy birthday to singer Maya who is 46 years old today

Maya, her that's her name Maya Harrison.

She was born in Washington DC and her parents chose her name to honor the poet Maya Angelou.

Let's see, oh here's the birthday that I saved till last.

Tanya Tucker, she is 67 years old

today.

If ever a biopic needs to be made, it's about

taking Tucker's life.

It's gotta be her.

She was like officially the first bad girl of country music, right?

I mean, it started

with her.

I would say documented where it was out in the world, where people were like, oh, wow, this is like, I'm sure there were a lot of females out there in country music who could live it up with the boys, but she made the headlines.

Yes.

Yeah.

This was no little Tammy Wynette stand by your man thing.

No, no,

no, no.

She was more

like.

She was more like, throw him out of the window and keep his stuff.

That's exactly it.

Oh, let's see.

Now, and now I promised a little Spiro Agnew here because they're in today's history lesson.

Two mentions.

First off, in 1970, when Spiro Agnew was the vice president, imagine this happening today.

This could not happen today.

But in 1970, the head of the FCC.

dressed down the vice president of the United States after Spiro Agnew complained that radio stations were playing too many songs about drugs.

And the statement from the FCC chair said, if we really want to do something about drugs, let's do something about life.

The songwriters are trying to help us understand our plight and deal with it.

It's about the only leadership that we're getting.

They're not really urging you to adopt a heroin distribution program, Mr. Vice President.

Could somebody have the spinal fortitude to say something like that today, please?

first of all, I just want to be like, Pat, you know this as well as I do.

Bands back then we're not exactly writing about the plight of drug use.

They were some of them are writing about the awesomeness of drug use that they were finding.

So but

yeah, I

mean, that's an amazing and it's so perfectly late.

Like, dear vice president, I'm here to tell you that this is oh, I think about this pat every day.

Now I think about someone in one of these departments just going no.

And then going back to work.

Yeah, I would love to see that.

Yeah, I just go up to the bank of microphones and go, No, make me, you know, exactly.

And just just that please.

But that was 1973 years later on this date.

Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned after being charged with

federal income tax evasion.

As part of a local corruption investigation in Baltimore County involving public officials, architects and contractors, it was learned Agnew was not only getting kickbacks as Maryland's governor, the payments continued even after he became vice president, including a $10,000 cash payment made at the White House.

Are you listening?

Tom Homan was a donor czar who got $50,000 in a bag.

Agnew would go on to have an extremely blemish business career in political consulting largely based on his hatred of Israel.

He died in 1996 at the age of 77.

Yeah, history not being kind to Spiro Agnew, and rightly so.

Spiro Agnew wasn't kind

to

himself.

No, not at all.

Thank you, Greg, for helping us out with today's history lesson.

We still have our week in review panel coming up as well.

And Dr. Kristen Lierly and Mike Clemens in our 8 o'clock hour.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

I got one bonus for the history lesson on all the weekend birthdays.

We'll single out Daryl Hall of Hall of Notes who turns 79 years old tomorrow.

It is a Friday.

It's October 10th.

Greg Bach continues with us here for a few minutes more.

We covered today's history lesson, but we haven't gotten to the national day calendar yet and any other

news that Messers Olsen and Bach would like to share with us on this lovely Friday morning.

So let's start with what's on the calendar for today, Parker.

It is National Inclusion Day.

Thanks for inviting me, guys.

Yeah, exactly.

You should always feel included in all that we do here, as long as it's between 630 and 7 o'clock on Friday

morning.

What else we got?

We've also got cake decorating day as well as angel food cake

day But you're two very different things yet.

There's nobody I know that decorates angel food cake It just is what it is.

You put some strawberries over it.

You call it good cake decorating That's a that's a whole different thing right there.

That's like a sport Basically

at this point

it's gotten to the point now where and we watched a few episodes of this because one of my grandsons love loves is it cake

Oh,

yeah.

Have you seen this?

I've watched a little bit of that show, but I've seen the videos now where people are like, is it cake or is it steak?

And it's always cake.

Well, yeah, it's always cake.

It's just amazing how lifelike they can make these things now.

But

let me ask you a question, guys.

Yes, you go to a party and there's cake.

Yeah.

And you find out it's just like it's just regular angel food with some frosting or like a little stripe of frosting in the middle.

You're like, OK, I guess.

like in

today's

day and age I feel like you dose do so much more with cake when someone brings in the angel food you're like really didn't try did you okay I went to a party last night here where there was cake where there are peanut butter cups baked into the cake I'm like now that's living

yes yeah that was something yeah Tony though says it's been a while since I've had angel food cake might have to have that this weekend yeah if you

can find some good

I'm gonna have me some angel food cake.

That's right.

I've grown

to appreciate angel food cake more as I've grown up, I think.

You've grown to appreciate it?

Yeah,

which is

probably

backwards.

But Parker, Parker,

Parker.

Yes, I know.

I'm a very, very weird man.

That's the first step into old manhood for you.

I've grown up in my life.

I've seen a thing or two.

One thing

I know is I love angel food cake because it really brings me back to the days of four years ago when I was in high school.

Back in high school, I was the big man on campus.

I was the

Angel Food Cake King.

And it's only in retrospection that I see that that was the best cake of cake I've caked at all.

If only Mathers were here today, he would bring in some Angel Food Cake just on the spot to see how much Parker would wolf it down.

Any any other notes on the calendar?

Do you want to jump in entertainment?

It's also World Egg Day.

Shout out to our farmers.

Love

eggs.

Oh egg or egg egg.

You're called egg.

You're EGG.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

It's it is egg day,

not a day.

We've got we've got that set

up.

Thank you.

That's a mental health day.

World mental health day.

Well,

it bypassed some of us today, maybe next year.

Maybe next

year

we'll have

mental

health on October 10th.

Just not at the moment, though, that might be sleep deprivation.

It'll be fine.

All right.

What's what's new in entertainment and feature news?

Entertainment and feature news, Mr. Crite.

Well, the smashing machine.

Have you heard of it?

Have you seen it?

The Dwayne The Rock Johnson, his new movie?

It flopped, I guess.

But it

has a

72 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

OK.

What's the

percentage?

72.

OK.

OK.

Is that good?

I

have no idea.

It's decent.

I mean, it's not something they would put on the poster.

Usually they put it like certified fresh, what's like 95 or above, but this is Dwayne The Rock Johnson's.

first foray in a long time into a more dramatic type of stuff after he's done a bunch of movies that kind of went nowhere.

He I'm glad he is a good actor.

He has done some really good roles.

He just got stuck in those action roles.

And I don't know if you've seen him like in the last six months, but he's lost a ton of weight.

He's doing the Dave Bautista thing.

He's still big, but he's slimming down.

He's taking different roles.

He wants to be taken.

So he wants to win an Academy Award for this movie.

And I don't think he's even

going to get nominated.

Well, I mean, Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize.

I mean, you can you can wish for one thing and

fair point.

That's the thing you can't say on the radio.

You can wish in one hand.

Yeah, anyway.

And so good.

Good luck to

the Rock with

his Oscar with his Oscar dreams.

Well, I'm going to see the movie.

It looks amazing.

It looks really, really good.

It does look interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All

right.

All right.

But still a flop, but you're going to go.

All right.

What else, Parker?

We've also got Bob Ross.

30 of his paintings are being auctioned off as a fundraiser to support some public TV stations because of the federal cuts.

Do they all have happy little trees in them that have been

painted in?

I would sure think so.

I hope so.

That's another one of those people that you don't, you don't appreciate till afterwards.

And you kind of now look back like fondly, whereas at the time when Bob Ross was just like, who's that goofy guy on the TV going, Oh, look, we're going to make happy

little

paintings.

But then once he's gone, you're like

Oh, I kind of missed that happy fella,

you know.

I used to watch him when he was doing shows.

I'd, well, I love that show and I would never tell people because I felt embarrassed.

I'm like, I don't want to tell people I watched the pink.

Guilty pleasure.

We found it great.

Guilty pleasure.

Like

Parker and Angel food cake.

Wow.

So much discovery we're making here today.

And finally, Mr. Olson.

Uh, the, the video game assassins creed.

Uh, God, yes.

Yes.

This is really interesting.

And I think I bet Greg wants to go off about this.

Um, it was developing a new game and it was canceled by the developer because the game is set post civil war and featured a main character who was a former slave that would fight against the KKK.

This was canceled because there were concerns about the U S political climate and getting backlash.

Yeah.

Yep.

There it is folks.

There can't have that.

Nope.

Can't have

that.

Nope.

In the year of our Lord 2025, we have a game that might be too real because it involves, you know, the KKK slays political violence and things like that.

Yeah,

they're developing a new game where you walk you walk a character down the street with a torch in his hand going, we

will not be replaced.

It's gonna be a huge

seller.

No, no, no.

Greg, thank you very much.

You're welcome.

You're

welcome.

It'll be so much happier next week when we're talking about fun brewer stuff, right?

Yes.

But

we're not talking about it at all.

Right, exactly.

Either way, I will convince myself to be happy.

That's my World Mental Health Day.

All right, we can review panel on the way, as well as Mike Clements with Sports and Dr. Kristen Lyrely.

I'm Pat Krightlow.

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There we go, the dulcetones of Don Rue welcoming us back to the Lake Wissota studio here in Chippewa Falls.

Nice to be home after a week of travels.

On this Friday morning, October 10th, 2025.

Nice to have you along.

Back here up north from wherever you're listening all across the Civic Media radio network.

Nice to be here back for the fall weather.

It was still in the mid to upper 80s when I left here last week.

Hard to believe that it was, you know, that

only that long ago it was that warm around here and here we are in the long sleeve shirts and and the leaves starting to fall as well and there is just nothing like fall in Wisconsin.

In fact that we did a whole special edition of our Up North News Daily newsletter about that recently which you can always check out.

Head over to UpNorthNewsWI.com.

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Well, you'll recall that last week I said that Ellie our new newsletter writer was asking people to share stories and photos of their favorite small business in their hometown

And so a few that she singled out here include Rosalie's book boutique in Beaver Dam.

There's Geiger Awards and Apparel in Waukesha, Makers Market Square in Mount Horrib, and The Hub in West Bend.

And in every case, a reader has put some really nice comments about what makes them their favorite little hometown shop.

And Ellie is now asking for Next Friday.

share your favorite local pizza place.

I know we've talked about that on the show here.

It's been a while.

But we did, you know, give us your best non chain, local pizza joint.

And we got tremendous response at the time.

So I would definitely urge you to do the same thing.

For Ellie, she's going to be joining all the other newsletter readers in collecting comments.

But you know what, if you want to put in your two cents, you got a couple of different ways to do that, either jump in the comment sections on social media, you can watch us do the show on the Up North News Facebook and YouTube pages and the civic media, Facebook and YouTube pages.

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And whoever thought we'd call email old fashioned.

It was new ones by the time.

Anyway, you can just send us that email us at radio.

at upnorthnewswi.com again radio at upnorthnewswi.com and send us an email all about your favorite local pizza place and why what is it that makes it so good you know the crust the sauce the toppings the creative use of the menu whatever it might be we'd love to hear what makes it uniquely yours.

I guess I've delayed long enough, he says, to Parker Olson, producer down in Madison Studio A2 and trying to avoid talking about the burrers losing to the Cubs last night, getting absolutely shellacked by the Cubs last night and forcing a deciding game five.

So the Cubs have survived two elimination games.

Well, now it's an elimination game for both teams.

Both the burrers and the Cubs facing elimination tomorrow night.

at American Family Field pregame at 630.

And then the first pitch itself about seven o'clock, according to MLB.com here.

You know, last night was, I tweeted this and I would have to check the timestamp to remember exactly when I ducked out of this game.

But for the first time, I think in my life,

I

stopped watching a burry game.

I just could not.

Handle it.

I feel like you're young enough.

They should be.

Do your parents have a baby book, you know, where they put all your little milestones, like first steps and lost your first to

first turned off the first rage quit of brewer game.

First prime first rage quitting of a brewers game.

That's it.

I'm out of here.

It was just everything was off.

Well, you know what?

Tony is taking the glass half full version saying, I think the brewers were just wanting to boost the Milwaukee economy within elimination game at home.

Sure.

All right.

Go with that.

That's fine.

I'll all I ask for his fans and they did a fine fine job in games one and two.

All I'm saying is game five.

You better not have a voice

when it's

all over because the there will be plenty of Cub fans up there.

And they're going to try so hard to make it feel like Wrigley Field North.

And sometimes during the regular season, they get away with it.

And so that's my only request.

If you are fortunate enough to go see the Brewers Cubs game tomorrow night as a Brewers fan, there is absolutely no resting that voice.

You make it loud in there.

Yes.

And make the Brewers understand this is a home game.

And they have a pretty good home record.

You know, got to wake up the bats got to get the pitchers to do this, this weird thing called finding the strike zone and finding it in a way that the other team can't hit the ball over the fence, which seems to have been a problem in the first innings, especially

a pretty big thorn in their side.

Yeah.

I wouldn't, we haven't talked about this at all, which I think is right.

It's not like the, it has not been so abhorrent that we've had to talk about it.

But the umpiring in this series has been questionable.

Yes, it has been.

It's not to the point that, like you said, it's not the first thing that we bring up.

But yes, there have definitely been times where, once again, I have said,

bring on the robots.

Yeah, I am I am so ready for that.

And I get that, you know, a couple of times the ball will just nibble the strike zone.

And it'll break your heart because you know, an up would normally call it, you know, one way but the the the lines are the lines.

Yeah.

And so if you accept that's where the lines are.

I'd rather have that than to have this so called human factor on that.

I don't want the human factor.

I want it to be the right call.

Yeah, no, I'm okay.

I want the right call I am

I have that little buffer zone of like, if it's a quarter of the ball that's in the zone, fine, I get it.

It's not, you're not going to be a hundred out of a hundred.

But there are balls that are literally like a ball or two away and they're getting called strikes or a ball or two in and they're being called balls.

It's so infuriating.

Yes.

Tom and Hartford puts on the text line to win at home is the charm.

And yes, it would be because if you can win at home, it

reinforces why you worked so hard to have the best record in baseball this year and to have home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Because we now know the winner of tomorrow night's game will go on to face the Dodgers.

The Dodgers eliminated the Phillies last night in one of the dumbest, goofiest ways imaginable.

If you haven't seen it yet, look up the highlight for how the Dodgers Phillies game came to an end.

on a throwing error, a simple little comeback to the pitcher who threw it home to get the runner through it wildly off the mark.

This little toss that should have been easy enough to make even even for old goofballs like me with no shoulder.

And the you got a case of the yips and that was it.

Philly was was out and the Dodgers are in.

It was also just the wrong decision.

I think I read that it's the first time that a series has been one on an error.

I, yeah, that it's a little surprising, but I can, you can definitely see how that would be the case.

You don't, you don't see something like that to clinch a playoff series.

No, you don't.

And that, that Philly pitcher is, you know, going to be, it's going to be a long winter for him and for all the Phillies fans to which all the Mets fans are like, Hey, welcome to the club.

Join us in Cancun.

Let's go.

And that same feeling is going to befall the fans of either Seattle or Detroit.

They have an elimination game tonight in their American League division series.

And whether Seattle or Detroit comes out of that game tonight in Seattle, they will face Toronto on Sunday night.

in game one of the American League Championship Series.

And again, for the Brewers, it's all about home field advantage.

If they can win tomorrow night, then they will open up the National League Championship Series Monday night against the Dodgers.

If the Cubs win, then it's the Dodgers who have the home field advantage and game one of the NLCS Dodgers Cubs would be Monday night in Los Angeles.

But we're not going to worry about that.

That's just

I

refuse.

Exactly.

So again, pregame tomorrow, 6 30 p.m.

on Civic Media stations in Richland Center, Oshkosh, Racine Kenosha Park Falls in Hayward.

We've got a whole lot of high school football tonight across the Civic Media radio network on local stations.

Head over to civicmedia.us and then look up the individual.

local radio station homepages to find out if there's a game on the air near you.

The Badger football team will be hosting Iowa coverage begins tomorrow at 4pm on several civic media radio stations and then you've got the Packers taking on the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Flacco again who they'd faced as the Cleveland quarterback and will now face him as the Cincinnati quarterback

for, you know, the first time within a month, you know, him being traded this week from Cleveland to Cincinnati.

Sunday's kickoff is at 325.

And so coverage will begin at one o'clock on Sunday on several media several, several civic media radio stations.

Friday morning, huh?

Again, Friday morning, somebody traveling and getting back rather late, but it worked out.

But it's that whole notion of you get back, you got the long drive from the airport, then you create Laundry Mountain and then you begin to scale Laundry Mountain and get everything back in its place and actually get to sleep in your own bed and drink your own coffee in the morning.

Yeah.

How was your travel?

I haven't heard you.

I expected complaining to be perfectly honest, but I haven't heard complaining of the travel.

No complaining.

It went just fine.

I, you know, I complained about Dallas traffic, but we got to the Dallas airport.

All right.

Of course there was airport construction because there's always airport construction.

But we, we got in there fine.

But because of the construction, we went to go eat in one of the, the restaurants and we thought we'd be at like a table or a booth.

And then instead they shimmied us down this very narrow little hallway.

and put us at a counter.

So we're sitting elbow to elbow at this counter looking out over the the the concourse.

Okay.

And so it was little confined quarters.

But, you know, again, travel travel days for us are fun.

We you know, we like to be able to go places and see people.

And in my case, it was, like I was saying before, my chance to finally watch the Billy Joel documentary on the HBO Max app.

And I

I did not.

I knew it was long.

I didn't realize it was that long that two airplane flights I haven't been able to finish it yet.

But it's so so good.

And I even though I haven't finished it yet, I just highly recommend it to anybody who has any kind of connection to Billy Joel songs and interest in him.

You don't have to be the world's biggest fan to appreciate the stories that are being told.

all the cameos that are in there by Paul McCartney and Sting and Pink and Garth Brooks and everybody else commenting on the music.

So it's really wonderful.

My wife was watching Happy Gilmore 2 on her phone over at her seat, saying it too was really good.

And it too has a whole bunch of cameos that are worth watching.

So we have to catch up on each other shows over the weekend as well.

And now that sun's coming up, I finally have to look in the backyard and see

To what degree are we raking?

Are we mowing?

Are we just throwing up our hands and going, huh, you know, let the wind do what it will with it?

Give it a week.

I honestly don't know.

I haven't I haven't looked out yet since the sun has come up.

But fall falls arrived temperature wise.

Yes,

and

it will apparently look to be fairly consistent temps here with highs in the 60s and lows in the in the low 40s and a chance of showers moving back in for early Monday across parts of Wisconsin.

And again, you can catch your local forecast on the civic media radio network throughout the course of the day, including Matt Nair on air, which follows this fine program, Jane Matt Nair and Greg Bach will be here from nine to 11.

And again, my thanks for everybody who helped take part in the go for the green

Angle Text-to-Win Contest which wrapped up a week ago.

And as we looked at all the numbers of people who texted in at all different times of day, we really appreciated the growth and all the people who wanted to try to win the grand prize and all of the daily prizes.

And we are looking for new and fun ways to incorporate that texting feature from the Civic Media app, which you can use anytime, text us anytime to send us a message, ask us a question.

We'd love to have that.

And then in the very new future award prizes again.

for your participation.

Our Week in Review panel is coming up live from the heart of America.

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All right, let's bring in our weekend review panel former US Attorney Jim Santel, and journalist Jennifer Schulze and Mark Jacob.

Nice to have you all here.

Good

morning.

we were

going to

start with was anything done that was legal this week by the Trump administration would have been probably a shorter way to go about it.

Mark, you're in Chicago, we'll start with you and we'll actually start with the words of a Republican governor in Oklahoma who correctly

made the you know made the case how would people and say Tulsa like it if National Guard troops from Chicago and elsewhere in Illinois were sent by a Democratic president to the streets of Tulsa wouldn't go over real well but he might be the only Republican this week that has

defended the whole concept of federalism and not sending one state's troops into another state without that state's permission.

I don't believe that's happened since, oh, I don't know, 1865.

Yeah,

it is it is alarming thing.

And it's I wonder if that Oklahoma governor is going to kind of rethink the fact that he actually said what he really believed because Republicans aren't saying what they really think now they're just shutting up and letting

that would be dictated or do what he wants to do.

It is kind of, I just feel like it's really bad for the unity in this country.

And Pan, it's not just the fact that he's getting some states national guard to persecute other states, but he's also specifically out loud saying that he's cutting funding during this shutdown to blue states.

So, whereas Biden made it a big

point that he was going to help everyone and made sure there was funding for red states, Trump is the exact opposite.

And he's really fomenting this division in this country in an alarming way.

Oh, without a doubt.

And we can talk for a moment here, Jim Santel, about the legality of this.

It seems like, well, certainly for me, I can't keep track of all the various

court proceedings.

I don't even know if if anybody's got to all these different states and whether troops can go to this state or that state.

Can you try to sum up what's happening in the courts on this particular topic?

Something remarkable happened yesterday.

11 a.m.

Central time you had two two different federal courts addressing basically the same issue 2,000 miles apart right there in Chicago again in response to your question pad about if anything was legal happening This is a judge April Perry.

She's a district court judge.

She is there in the Dirksen building right there in Chicago and she concludes after a three two or three hour hearing that don't surprise surprise that Donald Trump's administration's perception of a

around Chicago is simply unreliable.

That's her finding.

And then she goes on to say that there's no credible evidence that there is a danger of rebellion in the state of Illinois.

or that Donald Trump is somehow unable to execute the laws of the United States of America.

He probably doesn't want to, but he's talking about his capacity.

So what she says is, you keep that National Guard exactly where it is, which is not going into the streets and byways of Chicago.

She's scheduled another hearing for a couple of weeks down the road in which she'll determine whether this preliminary injunction is in place.

In the meantime, we no doubt anticipate that the Trump administration will

go to the 27th floor of the Dirksen building to appeal that.

There may be some more action on that even over the weekend.

That goes on in Chicago while at the same time, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, way out there in California, they're reviewing with the decision of Karen Emmergut, I-M-M-E-R-G-U-T, to the same end in Portland saying you keep those National Guard out of here.

The interesting and I think revelatory piece about that is she does that last Saturday.

The White House comes back and says, OK, we won't nationalize the Oregon National Guard, but we'll bring in people from other states.

She has a late night hearing telephonic on Sunday night, and she says, what are you doing?

Let me make clear that there is no galaxy from which you can bring National Guard troops into Portland.

The answer is no.

And again, even that reflects the cynicism of this White House in not following what judges say.

That's before the Ninth Circuit had a mixed review yesterday at 11 a.m.

out there in California.

It may well be that we're gonna get another ruling from the Court of Appeals sometime also out of this coming weekend.

Watch your news feeds because this is not over.

This is why we give Jim Santel two hours on Saturdays to go through all this.

It's

not enough.

No, we got the Cliff Notes version here.

And Jennifer, before we go to break, again, basically the bugger for me is that a lot of the headlines are going to be something like, Trump tests the limits of presidential authority rather than, again, I believe if it had been a Democratic president, you know, president invades other cities.

I just, again, the double standard is palpable.

I think for pretty much every single story with Trump, that is the case.

It is also the case with headlines today about the indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James.

That story in context, it does not happen.

So yeah, it's really disappointing all the way around.

Oh yeah, without a doubt.

So we'll get into that indictment of Letitia James as well as we cover the the week's events with Jennifer Scholesi.

You can catch her on sub-stacket news.

Jennifer, Mark Jacob has the stop the presses newsletter stop the presses dot news and Jim Santel has amicus a law review Saturday mornings at nine here on the stations of the civic media radio network.

So we will continue the conversation of this week's events and then at the top of the next hour Dr. Kristen Lierley will be along

And I'll ask her about Robert Kennedy making comments, connecting autism to circumcision, because we have to talk about these things, despite no reason medically to talk about these things.

Back after this, I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back at 735 on this Friday morning, October 10th.

And we're here with our weekend review panel, former US Attorney Jim Santel, Chicago journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze.

And Jennifer, let me start with you.

And let's talk about the government shutdown briefly here.

And the fact of the matter is, it is essentially a messaging battle.

with a whole lot of pawns, like all federal employees, troops who aren't getting paid, air traffic controllers who aren't getting paid, and Sean Duffy says maybe they need to be fired, even though there's a shortage of air traffic controllers.

And Republicans continuing to insist, despite math, that this is somehow the Democrats fault.

But the right wing also has a very robust media ecosystem.

Where, where do the American people appear to be at this point in understanding why the US government is shut down?

Well, every poll, every legitimate poll shows that the American public believes that Republicans are to blame.

Surprise, surprise, they know that Republicans are in control of the government, that they

you know hold both houses of congress and the presidency and the spring court by the way um so the public

gets it.

But that doesn't stop Republicans and that doesn't stop, you know, right-wing media from every single day figuring out a way to talk about it so that it shifts the focus to Democrats.

But people are also simultaneously getting their notices about their health care premiums going up.

And the good news about bad news is that reality

You know kicks you in the head sometimes and so I mean I know I've gotten those in the mail this week about what's happening to my premiums the whole country is getting that The truth is that health care is a serious problem and that Republicans can't pretend that that's the Democrats fault.

No,

or they can try

Yeah, and they have been trying and and mark.

That's the thing.

I mean we we work in political journalism.

We understand the importance of

politics.

But we also know that when some people take politics, play politics and move it too far away from reality, reality normally wins.

Like seeing your health insurance premiums go up or your flights getting delayed or things like that.

Is that like pretty much every other shutdown?

How this thing eventually ends as the people playing politics are going to get trumped pun intended by reality?

Well, I think this is me is playing out a little differently.

You know, I mean back when Gingrich try to pull it on Clinton Gingrich Got hurt and it is true that the Democrats are they're not going along They are using the filibuster power to require, you know 60 votes in the Senate in order to get this done And what they're doing is what politicians do which is

try to get something out of the deal.

And what they're trying to get is relief for Americans on their health care bills.

And so that's really a good issue for the Democrats.

And for the Republicans, I mean, Trump is trying to act like he's Mr. Get Things Done, Mr. Efficiency, Mr. We're in charge of everything.

It's golden era kind of stuff.

And you can't have a golden era.

I came vacationed in Mexico City last week.

And I landed at O'Hare and I sat on the runway for two hours and 20 minutes waiting for a gate.

And that was, I believe, you know, I don't have proof, but I believe that it was because of the shutdown and people are being required to work, you know, as air traffic controllers, but they're not getting paid.

So some people are calling in sick.

And so this kind of chaos and inefficiency really reflects on the party that, as Jennifer pointed out, is in charge of everything right now.