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Uh, that's because former US attorney Jim Santel has a, a court thing and apparently Parker, these court things take precedence over goofing off on the radio with us.
So.
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I think it also might be, and I'm not one to question Jim Santel's motivations, but it might be that he just wanted to avoid saying a bad word because I'm sure he has some strong feelings about the former FBI Director Jim Comey being charged with.
Pretty much nothing but being charged just for the sake of being charged So if you want to know what what exactly Jim Santel's gonna say you're gonna have to tune into a show amicus a law review tomorrow morning 9 a.m.
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I'm going to be tuning in now just for that, just to hear his reaction on this.
I will be interested in seeing how he keeps it FCC compliant.
Well, can anything be FCC compliant?
I mean, now with Brendan
Carr
patting the FCC, you know, the rules are whatever they say they are.
And that's, that's exactly what we're dealing with these days.
Brittany Merleau is off today getting an early start to the weekend.
So I'll give you her state forecast right after I give an update from Rob and Tigerton.
who says good morning from Tigerton.
It's partly cloudy and 52 degrees yesterday.
I mowed five yards in Tigerton, then went for pizza at Blazers Bar and Grill in Split Rock.
which is a suburb of Tigerton.
Did you know Tigerton has suburbs?
Yes.
I was unaware.
Says he's got a few more alons to mow than off to his sister Lori's house to celebrate Lori and Dave's 39th wedding anniversary.
And then they're going to have spaghetti and meatballs.
Uh, says that tomorrow is Tigerton Apple Fest, 10 a.m.
to 3 p.m.
at the Tigerton Community Park.
And whether wise says he noticed that, uh, September's had become warmer and warmer over the years.
Uh,
I agree with you, but then we had that cold snap, what, about a week ago or so where we were all breaking out the hoodies again.
So things, things can kind of, you know, again, theater of seasons, I guess is what we're, what we're trying to say here.
So Brittany did leave us a state forecast that goes like this.
High pressure holds over the weekend, bringing lots of sunshine and warming temperatures with highs hitting the eighties.
So for today around the state, she says partly sunny and nice.
near 70 up north touching 80 in the south with a northeast wind at five to 10 miles an hour for tonight.
Clouds will roll in close tonight in the upper forties up north to the mid fifties south and an east wind at five to 10 miles an hour.
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Badger football team is off this weekend.
Badger volleyball team has a match tonight here in Madison.
And I didn't put the note in front of me, so I forget who it is, but it's, uh, it's going to be a good match regardless.
Uh, Badger women's volleyball, uh, continuing their season seventh ranked in the nation.
And I want to say seven and one, I think is their record on the season.
are
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Um, you know who they're playing tonight.
I do know who they're playing tonight.
They're playing Rutgers.
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Right.
That's right.
They're opening the big 10 season, uh, tonight.
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Uh, this has not been the best week ever for Bill Barion.
the soon-to-be former candidate for governor.
That's my prediction anyway.
Bill Bering was supposed to show up at the Manitowoc County Republican Party picnic last evening, and did not.
This, according to WBAY TV, he canceled.
He was supposed to be the keynote speaker, but a few minutes before 6 p.m., organizers placed a call to his campaign.
Saying, um, hello, are you coming?
And we're told Barron would not be showing up and decided to cancel after what they described as a very rough week.
The county party chair then made the announcement to the crowd inside the picnic shelter and apparently some people applauded.
Oh, no.
Yes.
Yeah.
See it, it all comes after that report by Dan Bison, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that revealed his, his social media footprint.
Uh, it was a little wider, shall we say, a little more encompassing than your typical Republican family values candidate, including liking many sexually explicit articles and following a transgender porn star.
And the thing is to look at the report and what some Republican voters are saying, it's not even, it's not just that it reflects poorly on Bill Barion and, you know, his.
flailing gubernatorial campaign.
But again, because he was so insistent on talking about family values and anti-trans issues, that this kind of hypocrisy is the kind of thing that stains other Republican candidates.
There will be other people who will run on these so-called family values, in other words, anti-LGBTQ platform.
who don't have a social media footprint quite like Bill Barian's, but they will be, you know, cast in the same way as people who, you know, say one thing when maybe personally they're doing something totally different.
And by the way, the, the trans porn star that Bill Barian was following has now spoken up.
And in a way that I think that you would expect.
And, uh, let's see the, the transgender porn star Giz Lee, uh, has commented, uh, saw the, all the attention.
The story has apparently gotten some international attention.
It's been picked up by the Daily Mail and others.
Uh, Lee, who identifies as a queer trans non-binary adult performer and uses, uh, they, them pronouns slammed burying on social media for being hypocritical.
But again, listen.
to the statement.
It's okay to follow trans porn stars.
It's okay to read articles about sex and relationships," wrote the post.
What's not okay is the hypocrisy of backing forceful legislation that reflects what people trans and otherwise can do with their bodies.
That is shameful.
And that's all true.
Every bit of it.
This is
much less about judging Bill Barian's, you know, personal tastes and web history as it is then stepping forward and speaking out against the very things you give the appearance of being a fan of.
I think if we're helping appreciate more things in our politics today is that we stop expecting people to be perfect.
I mean, we had
like nominees for Supreme Court and Attorney General in the past who had to have their nominations withdrawn because they had once smoked marijuana in college, okay?
We've come to the point where we understand people are people.
All right, we all, nobody's perfect.
Everybody has something that they just assume rather not talk about publicly, which is absolutely their right.
So the problem isn't that we're expecting perfection in our candidates.
The problem is we're getting too much hypocrisy in our candidates and in our politicians.
And it
isn't just about social media.
It's about saying you're against the debt and deficits when you then approve a bill that adds another four trillion dollars to the national debt.
It's being a gubernatorial candidate like Congressman Tom Tiffany who's saying well state law is 20 weeks and so I'm gonna uphold state law and yet Planned Parenthood is about to
temporarily halt abortion care services in Wisconsin because the big bloated boondoggle that Tom Tiffany voted for would take away funding, Medicaid funding for Planned Parenthood to do all of the other non-abortion related health care things that they do.
It's that kind of hypocrisy from our politicians that people have
less of an appetite for all the time.
It's saying that you're going to go after the criminal thugs and drug cartels when it comes to undocumented immigrants, and instead you're getting moms and dads who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their kids and keep them safe.
These are people who want to be here legally, but the same hypocritical politicians shot down
the greatest chance at comprehensive immigration reform in a generation.
So Bill Berry and you're in good company in that you, you say something, but then you do something differently.
The difference is this time around, uh, you're not going to be elected governor.
Unfortunately, others have been elected president and in other important roles, and we are going to be in a world of hurt dealing with this level of hypocrisy, at least for a little while longer, you know, until the midterms.
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All right, we've got two thirds of our weekend review panel joining us now.
That would be Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze, a couple of veteran Chicago area journalists joining us.
Former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel has to be in court today because we've got to have at least one honest lawyer.
left in the courtrooms after what we've seen
Well, he did not say and honestly, I'm a little concerned because of the way things have gone this week.
Uh, let's see, let's start with the indictment of Jim Comey and, you know, the old law school saying you can indict a ham sandwich, you know, the, anybody can get an indictment.
It's a conviction.
That's a whole different matter.
And one of the things I was, was hearing about how this indictment against the former FBI director, which is, I mean,
Loose at best and was done entirely by one political appointee like they're who's never tried a case and that
they're
like no career prosecutors worked on this whatsoever Mark if ever there were you know exhibit a in the weaponization of The American justice system what happened yesterday would be it
You know, that should have been the end of it, but really Trump shouldn't have been involved at all.
You know, if you remember, there was a big to do when Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch had a little meeting on the tarmac, you know, what's he doing talking to the attorney general?
Well, in this case, Trump is openly, openly announcing that he wants somebody charged with a crime and
you know, the person in charge of that says there's no case here.
He forces that person out and he appoints this, you know, insurance lawyer from Colorado to who's never prosecuted anyone for anything to, you know, charge the former FBI director.
And they also pat...
They really didn't indict a ham sandwich.
They indicted two-thirds of a ham sandwich because there was a third mysterious charge that the grand jury actually refused to indict.
Yeah.
So I mean, that that's just how flimsy these things are.
And yet I'm glad you mentioned Bill Clinton, you know, actually seen talking to his attorney general.
And I mean, that was you talk about your tan suit scandal, Jennifer, in retrospect.
And yet now what you get is a New York Times headline today.
Trump gets the retribution he sought and shatters Justice Department norms.
So when he does all that he's doing, he's simply shattering norms.
I would think that the headlines, if I were the editor, might say something a little different and maybe for you too.
Yes.
But it is a go-to for the New York Times, which does not generally state the facts as clearly as it should.
And frankly, most of the news stories do very clearly talk about
this case and I know there's you know how unusual how potentially illegal how all of those things are usually in the news stories that the New York Times does on these various Trump things but the headlines are always a little squishy which is a problem you know I had a problem yesterday with the leaving out the part about that the prosecutors had refused to bring the charges you know charges
against Comey.
And then in the story, I think the key part is the charges that the other prosecutors refused to do it.
And I think that should be upfront in talking about all this.
I do think though, generally, the press coverage of this particular thing has been really good.
Well, we do have to keep in mind that sometimes things are better described in hindsight.
I don't know exactly when the term Saturday Night Massacre
was coined, I don't think it was that Saturday night.
So it might take a little while, but when I heard somebody this morning describe this as the Saturday night massacre of our era in going after a former FBI director simply for political retribution, I see exactly why they would say something like that.
And I think that in hindsight, people will really appreciate what kind of a line we have crossed here.
I mean, you know, also in the last day or two, you know, a member of the Justice Department ordered prosecutors in various cities to go after George Soros' foundation, you know, so and they also was an order issued yesterday by Trump.
Saying that you know in effect saying that all leftist organizations need to be looked at for possible domestic terrorism I mean so it's so I mean this is this is maybe the start of this Legal rep retribution, but it's not the end of it at all
And, and, and, you know, we may forget about Comey in two or three months because even worse things will happen.
I mean, this, this is, people need to be so alarmed by what's happening now.
This is not one of those things where, well, I don't know how it's going to turn out.
No, this is going in a really clear direction and it should scare the hell out of all of
us.
Yeah.
Until some people stand up and call it out for what it is, Jennifer.
And in, in, you know, in my case,
I am equating it to a new Red Scare.
The way that Communist was thrown out at people left and right is, I think, domestic terrorism is the phrase that you're hearing from Derek Van Orden and others now, calling people domestic terrorists for having the temerity to criticize a current administration.
I don't think Red Scare is overhyping it when we look back at this time.
you
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Chicago veteran journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Shulsey are here.
Former US Attorney Jim Santel is off doing court stuff, justice.
Somebody's got to be looking out for us there in what has become an increasingly politicized government, including justice as well.
When you have like the former FBI director now facing a trumped up criminal charge Going after other you know basically just political enemies without any kind of basis and then comedians I mean late night comedians and Mark I'm trying to determine whether I'm you know overreacting or if I'm capturing the barometer in saying that
as outrageous as it was that Jimmy Kimmel was taken off the air, the fact that ABC put him back on in less than a week gives me reason to think that the network and others are aware that this attempt at state-controlled media can overreach.
Unfortunately, the only thing that these big corporations care about is money, money, money.
So when you start, you know, canceling Disney Plus or you, you know, take other actions to herd them in the pocketbook, they're going to react.
I don't think that they didn't put Kimmel back on the air because they thought they'd made a mistake.
They, I think they thought they'd made a business mistake, not, you know, a moral mistake.
And, and so, so yeah, it's good news.
They brought them back now.
Still those, you know, the.
some of the stations don't air it because they're still being pressured by the FCC.
And Brendan Carr is talking about going after the view next.
So he's not finished trying to censor American media.
He sees it as his job.
But pushback is really important.
If you know if and support the people who are doing a good job, cancel people are doing a bad job.
That's that's just got to be the way it is in today's world.
And so that ties in.
I would imagine to stop the presses this week, your newsletter that you can get at stop the presses.news or courier newsroom.com.
The headline can comedy help conquer fascism.
Loudly mocking Trump now may help us avoid whisper jokes later.
We never think of America as a place where we could only tell jokes in a whisper.
And you're reminding us that we're not immune to that possibility.
Yeah.
I was, uh, I wrote this, uh, version of the newsletter because my wife and I were talking about it and she, I think comedy is really a good way to assault, you know, bad actors and politics because, uh, you know, verbally assault them because I feel like, um, like.
Some people who don't really care about politics and don't know much about politics and actively try to avoid the news are exposed to it by these comedy shows.
And so Klobair and Kimmel and John Oliver and shows like that I think have a real place.
Now on the other hand, my wife thinks that's not true at all.
She thinks that it's a bad thing because it trivializes and normalizes the behavior.
And that it makes people think this is all just part of the show and it doesn't matter much anymore And so I think there's a middle ground there and and I try to get into it in this this newsletter and I did, you know, I write history books also so I got back into the history of what they call whispered jokes Which is what they in the Nazi Germany when people, you know whispered jokes because they couldn't tell them out loud without getting arrested, you know, and so We don't want that in this country.
We don't want people to only be able to say funny things, you know
privacy their own bedrooms.
Yeah.
And I see the truth in both ways of looking at that.
And Jennifer, the way I'd throw it to you is this way.
I was noticing a New York Times headline.
The headline is, Late Night Investigates Trump's Claims of Escalator Sabotage.
Famously, the escalator was broken in the middle of Trump riding it at the United Nations.
And that's the subject of late night jokes.
Okay, fine.
But when I first saw the headline, I thought, can we not
trivialize this stuff.
There's some big serious stuff going on here.
So, you know, that's that's what, you know, Mark's wife is saying, but I feel like, yeah, you actually do have to strike a balance between the two in your overall coverage of the times that we live in.
I think that talking about politics on comedy is essential.
And it is the gateway for a lot of people, as Mark said, who do not use other sources of information for political news, in fact, actively avoid it.
So I'm all for them doing it.
I think it's great.
And I would venture to say that more people are going to find out about this absurd UN sabotage claim.
from Stephen Colbert than any serious news source.
And so that's okay.
The other thing I want to say though is these giant companies that own these local television stations are a big problem.
And it's not, you know, they own them.
If they don't want to run Jimmy Kimmel, that's a business issue.
But they are already too big and they want to be bigger.
Together, Sinclair and Nextstar own half.
of the local television stations in America.
And the Trump administration is soon going to let them own more of them.
And the problem with that is just that they're decimating the actual local news and they have too much power and too much say over something that they shouldn't be that involved with, frankly.
I think the 39% cap is reasonable and going over it is not okay.
And it seems just so quaint, the times when I was growing up, when the limit was seven, you could own seven TV,
And that was it.
And when we saw this deregulation come, you know, there were those of us saying, this may not end well, we didn't foresee it being quite like this, but this is where we are now, including Jennifer, a government that if the Defense Secretary has his way,
basically is going to make journalists sign some kind of a loyalty pledge or oath if they want to cover the Pentagon.
What's that about?
Honestly, I'm not sure.
I know of any.
time in history and marks the history guy so maybe he does where the U.S.
government has basically said we're going to write your stories for you.
You can't write a story without our approval.
That's what they are saying with this pledge that these reporters at the Pentagon are being required to sign if they want to continue to cover the Defense Department.
They have until September 30th
to either sign this agreement that they will only publish information that is approved by the Defense Department.
That's not journalism.
It's just not journalism.
So it'll be really interesting to see where this goes.
If anybody actually signs it, I say turn in your press pass, you're done.
You're not a journalist anymore.
Absolutely.
And in a related note mark, one of the things that people would probably want to report about is that the Defense Secretary has summoned top military leaders from around the globe, wherever they are stationed, to come back to the U.S., to come back to the D.C.
area, to Quantico, for a meeting.
And I mean, I thought about titling this episode, this meeting could have been an email because I can't imagine anything.
You know,
a zoom.
And yet all these, I think about the millions of dollars in transportation costs, everybody getting on airplanes to get here and the security and putting them up and feeding them and all that to, to tell them something that could only be told in person.
Again, in a normal time mark and or if a democratic president were doing this, that would actually be the story right now.
Yeah, it was you know, I watched Turner classic movies sometimes and I watched seven days in May the other day which is in the 1960s is a movie about a military coup in the United States and I'm not saying that's what's going on now, but I don't we don't know what's going on now with a hexeth and He's capable of a lot.
I mean obviously he You know, I feel like that the reason that Trump picked him for defense secretary or war secretary is stupidly they call it now
Um, is because he's willing to do just about anything that Trump wants, including, you know, fire on order the people to fire on American citizens, you know, to occupy American cities.
So, so I feel like there's sort of an ominous tone to this meeting next week.
And we have no idea what it is.
Well, you know, maybe he's
You know, if somebody unjoked on social media, maybe he just wants to organize a nicer parade next time for the military.
So who knows?
But, you know, and I don't want to be alarmist, but these people are capable of a lot of terrible things.
They were already doing a lot of terrible things.
And also...
not just in the present but looking back at the past and Mark maybe I'll start with you from a historical standpoint that Pete Hegseth is is making clear now that 20 soldiers who received the Medal of Honor for their actions in 1890 at Wounded Knee, which many regard as a massacre, made clear they will keep their medals of honor.
Hegseth's predecessor Lloyd Austin ordered a review of the medals last year as part of a Congress
bill because again this was something back at the time when an estimated 250 Native Americans including many women and children of the Lakota Sioux were they were they were killed attempting to disarm Native American fighters who had turned out had already surrendered at their camp.
This
is hardly Medal of Honor
stuff here, Mark, and yet Pete Exeth is taking time out of his busy day to say that, well, that might have been a massacre, they might have been butchers, but, you know, we're not going to do anything about it there.
How did he put it?
American heroes or whatever, and they're going to keep their medals.
This is the kind of thing where people go, oh, they're teaching us to hate history.
It's not about hating history, it's about honestly telling history and kind of hating the present.
Well, it's also just respecting, you know, the idea of facts and learning from it.
That's what history is for, is to learn from it and do better next time.
And whenever someone says, well, history doesn't important, you know, why are you getting into that?
Obviously, Pete Hegseth thinks history is important because he wants to cover it up.
And, you know, and so we can, and the reason they want to cover up the bad
Deeds of the past, you know the racism and all this other stuff is because they want to do it again And they don't want they don't want any lessons learned, you know and and you know Pete Hegseth when he was at Fox News was a big campaigner for letting off these Soldiers in Iraq who were doing war crimes, you know and and they were doing clearly doing war crimes like she is shooting, you know unarmed civilians and stuff like that
And, um, Hexeth was successful in, you know, in getting in and having Trump, uh, you know, let them off.
And, uh, so, so really he's, he's pro atrocity.
He like, he's a fine with the U S army doing whatever it wants to do in, in war.
And, uh, you know, and, and you see this with like blowing up boats in international waters today.
So this, so this is, they're running roughshod and he wants more of that and he wants to.
cover up the past.
And Jennifer, it's all about, again, this whole notion of there's so many plates to keep spinning right now that, you know, it's tough for any single newsroom to do an honest accounting of a story like this when there's so much more going on.
And yet it doesn't make the story any less important.
Well, I mean,
We're all in the business of keeping track of information, and I know, I don't know about you guys, but I can't do it.
So I can't imagine what it's like for people who aren't like us, right, in this business, because it is impossible.
I think, though, generally there is clearly a sense in the country that Trump is doing really bad stuff and Americans do not like it.
The polling...
time and time again, it's just cratering on everything.
So even if the very specific things might not be getting what we would all think would be enough coverage, the notion that he's doing bad stuff and not helping people and prices are still too high,
is breaking through in a very big way.
Whether it translates at the ballot box is another... Jennifer, I got to
hit break.
Hold that thought.
And again, we'll be back.
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For example, Jennifer, 60 minutes ends at summer hiatus and is coming back with, I'm sure the hard hitting independent journalism that 60 minutes has been known for for low these many decades or not.
no
We now see as the 16 minutes PR trickles out that when they come back on Sunday after having I believe four or five months to put together a lot of stories they'll have a profile of Dana White.
That is the head of the UFC, you know, that fighting group that Trump is letting do a spectacle at the White House for the 250th anniversary of the country, and also very close friend of Donald Trump's, also very right wing.
And, you know, so that's an interesting choice.
But in addition to that, they're also doing a profile on the governor of Utah.
Spencer Cox who was also a pro Trump guy.
Now I think I understand the Spencer Cox story because you know he's been in the news a lot lately but the combination of those two stories seems a little bit unbalanced to me and I think is not a good look for 60 minutes.
I want to also point out that last week
when they're doing reruns, the rerun that they led the show with was a feature on Barry Weiss's faux university in Austin, Texas.
So I think overall that paints a questionable picture about where 60 minutes, no, it's not questionable at all.
It's clear to me that they're going right.
Are we on mark going to have to do a special edition just for you and Jennifer and I and others to engage in primal scream therapy?
Based on whatever we see 60 minutes turn into
Yeah, it's kind of it's just kind of sad that you know this storied program is it's been conquered really and and that's what it is and and only for money.
I mean your first CBS, you know Not you know deciding that they just wanted to just roll over, you know, they did the same thing with their their Sunday show where they you know, they got we're complete Christine Ohm complained
About them and they you know, they just decided okay.
We won't edit anymore We'll just you know, you know, let her lie let anyone lie on the air and we'll broadcast it You know, it's we're seeing this with corporate media.
This is why you know, I would I always like to say There's good media out there.
There's there's pro-publica.
There's the Guardian
There are a lot of independent and nonprofit outlets that are actually trying to do a good job.
And so for these big conglomerates, these big giant corporations, they're not, they're just trying to make a bunch of money.
And so they just, it seems like you don't have to trust them.
You can trust other people who have, you know, more journalistic standards.
Yeah.
Let's switch gears over to the potential for a government shutdown next week.
Congress has been off this week, so they only have like
two business days, tops to reach some kind of a deal.
Jennifer, it's clear that there's no interest on the part of Republicans and the president to reach any kind of a deal.
They want a shutdown.
They want to make the shutdown even worse by adding extra firings.
And this only reaffirms the note that, you know, they say, well, Trump is taking federal workers hostage and he's taking, you know, the country hostage.
Trump always shoots the hostage.
He always does.
And then it's a matter of how much do you let the hostage bleed before Democrats have to cave and go, okay, we'll, you know, we'll let you do all the other bad things you want to get away with through all these massive cuts to healthcare and things like that.
So for me, the question isn't, is there going to be a shutdown?
It's going to be, can Democrats hold united so that public pressure comes down on Trump and the Republicans?
Because Trump has caved previously over shutdowns and things like that.
fact of whether there's a shutdown or not is one thing.
The narrative behind it all and the media's role in spreading that narrative is really critical.
For example, I like lose my hair stands on end every time I see a headline that says Congress did this and its Republicans did this and I would just beg all media to
Be specific Republicans are saying this Republicans did this the shut you know and not make it generic and and That's part of the problem.
You know, it's a narrative fight as much as anything else.
Who's gonna get blamed?
Well, I think we have to be absolutely crystal clear about what role different parties are playing
Yeah mark your thoughts on whether what what Democrats will do once this thing really starts to take
it doesn't.
But again, it is it's much less a battle of votes or dollars as it is about narratives and messaging starting next week when or even starting now, frankly, you can read Mark Jacobs newsletter at stopthepresses.news or at couriernewsroom.com.
You can read indistinct chatter from Jennifer Scholes.
You head over to Substack search for at news Jennifer and Jim Santel is off this week.
But you can always catch him on amicus a law review tomorrow morning starting at nine.
Thanks to all
All of you, Mark, we'll see you in a couple of weeks, and Jennifer, we'll see you next week.
All
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I'm Pat Crichtlow.
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