Media Misery (Hour 2)

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Media Misery (Hour 2)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri Sep 19, 2025

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Pat Craiglo

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 606 on a Friday morning, September 19th, 2025.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north.

Live from Lake Wissota, wherever you're spending your mornings, listening across the Civic Media radio network, catching us by podcast or through the website, or maybe watching us on social media right now, which is concerning to some people.

I will explain in just a bit.

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On this morning's program, we'll talk about Jill Underly, Wisconsin's Superintendent of Public Instruction, not exactly sugarcoating the current environment in her annual State of Education address Thursday at the Capitol.

We'll have Kia Vakil from Courier Newsroom talking about some of the week's big stories along with our Week in Review panel.

which has some thoughts on the latest capitulation from corporate media and how it has emboldened Donald Trump to outright threaten the license of broadcasters simply for not liking what they say about him.

And we'll ask the panel what kind of role can journalists and their readers, listeners and viewers play in pushing back against this latest example of a wannabe dictator doing whatever he wants, including making a mockery of the First Amendment.

that coming up in our seven o'clock hour in our eight o'clock hour for struggling families on lower incomes.

There are food banks, but some of those families are also in need of basic household items like diapers.

There is a diaper bank in Southeast Wisconsin that is holding a special campaign this week, where donations are being matched and doubled.

We'll talk to our friend Kate Duffy from Motherhood for Good and the Milwaukee diaper mission.

which also helps women with basic hygiene supplies as well.

Dr. Kristen Lierly will preview her weekend show and Mike Clemens will get a set for the Packers at Cleveland and the Brewers spending the weekend in St.

Louis.

First, however, the weather from meteorologist Brittany Merlot says a soaking weekend is on the way for some parts of the state as a slow moving massive system has moved in, sending waves of rain over the next couple of days.

The state forecast for today breezy and cloudy on and off rain, maybe some thunder highs in the upper sixties up north mid seventies south and east wind at 15 to 25 miles an hour for tonight.

The rain will be ramping up and could be heavy at times lows tonight in the mid fifties up north around 60 to the south with an east wind at 10 to 20 miles an hour.

She'll have four full forecast details less than an hour from now, but looking at the radar, you can really get an appreciation of this system.

Essentially, it looks to be sitting somewhere over maybe South Central Minnesota right now.

And so Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Eastern Dakotas, most of Iowa, parts of Northern Illinois, big old spiral of rain.

And it's one of those where, as Brittany said yesterday, it's gonna be tough to predict exactly who's gonna get rain, you know, when, but it's just a whole lot of spotty rain activity.

And so you just have to plan that you're gonna be getting some rain at some point or another off and on throughout the course of the weekend.

And again, Brittany has further details on that coming up in just a bit.

But first we head down to Madison studio a to where we we see the concerned face of one Parker Olson and Concerned yeah, and then Alicia to Alicia puts on YouTube.

Oh What's in the honeycomb designed on your shirt?

Okay, not afraid people I was little I actually do own shirts that do not have plaid designs on them

I

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feel

Pat Craiglo

much because you're going you're going for comfort.

Oh, no, no, there's plenty of them.

But today just kind of felt like I could put this one on which is it's got a white base.

It's a short sleeve, you know, dress shirt.

It's got a white base, but then it's got all these, I don't know, hexagons or whatever they are kind of has a honeycomb thing.

And so it's got a kind of a beach theme.

Some of them look like they have little palm fronds in there.

Or yep, or just, you know, the the colors of the Caribbean, I guess you could say so.

It's a it's a bit of a little a little festive Friday fun.

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Yeah, with

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the wardrobe.

It's styling a little here.

Yeah.

I mean, there's many a time where I reach for something like a solid.

I've got I've got this solid orange shirt.

It's very it's very bright.

It's very colorful, but at six o'clock in the morning, it's a bit much.

Parker Olson

I appreciate actually avoiding that.

Pat Craiglo

And as I've said before, again, between being a news anchor and being a legislator.

I wore, you know, just the standard suit and tie, a lot of different ties, a lot of different suits, frankly, but a lot of solid color shirts for years and years and years.

So to be at this age now and have this job now where, you know, the plaid shirt is kind of the requisite uniform, I'm okay with it.

You know, I still like to dress up now and then.

But I do like dressing up.

Comfort is important.

So yeah, no, I am

Parker Olson

pretty.

Very appreciative of how laid back we are here.

Pat Craiglo

There you go.

Laid back.

Is it what's on the docket for this weekend

Parker Olson

for you?

Not a whole heck of a lot going down on Sunday, hanging out with a couple of friends, watching the Packer game, hoping to have some wings.

I hear we're stopping at a wings place, which I'm very excited about.

Pat Craiglo

You're excited about a wings place.

Parker Olson

I am more excited about the wings than I am about watching the Cleveland Browns play the Packers.

Pat Craiglo

Oh, well, OK.

Does that include watching the Badgers as well as they take on Maryland tomorrow?

Parker Olson

Yeah, that'll probably be part of my Saturday too.

Pat Craiglo

Yeah.

You don't sound too jazzed up about it though.

Parker Olson

No, I can't say I'm exactly thrilled on that one.

And

Pat Craiglo

that might be second screen

Parker Olson

content.

Pat Craiglo

That's why we got why we got civic media here for you.

We have saved a lot of people.

Well, the Badgers have saved a lot of people the time of actually sitting glued to a TV watching the football team.

Yeah.

And basically put it on the radio and listen to the background as you do everything else that you want to do.

And that's what you'll get as the Badgers open the Big 10 season tomorrow hosting Maryland.

You can hear the pregame starting at 9am on Civic Media stations in Richland Center, Amory, Wisconsin Rapids and Rippon.

And of course, the Packers as Parker mentioned Sunday, it's a noon game against Cleveland.

Pregame begins at 10am Sunday on stations in Richland Center, Park Falls.

Racine Kenosha and Watoma.

So you'll be watching the Packer Game with friends this

Parker Olson

weekend.

I'll be watching the Packer Game with friends.

The Badgers will probably be second screen content.

Pat Craiglo

Yes, because there's a lot of seconds.

So you will do two screen viewing of things.

Oh,

Parker Olson

yeah.

We last weekend, my dad and I, we have the TV in the basement and we have my TV for my room.

I brought my TV in my room down to the basement so that we can have two things going.

And I'll tell you what, Whitewater plays against the number 16 in the country tomorrow.

And that will be the first TV content while

Pat Craiglo

the

Parker Olson

Badgers are on the other TV, kind of off the corner, not being thought about nearly as much.

Pat Craiglo

I'd be curious to know what percentage of the population is used to watching two screens at once.

and and how often they do it.

And I mean this in both the TV way and the social media way.

For example, I mean, I'm very much a dual screen watcher, let's say the Academy Awards.

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And

Pat Craiglo

then on the other screen, I'm either watching, you know, social media comment on things, or I'm yapping back and forth with my friends about it.

But then there's the dual screen, the TV stuff yesterday last night being a perfect example.

Uh, as often happens on Thursday, we go to our local watering hole and meet up with some friends and neighbors there.

But this, this particular bar, like a lot of places does not have, they, they depend on dish or one of the other places that does not have an agreement with fan dual sports, Valley, formerly FSN or whatever the heck it is.

Because that group has been at an impasse with dish network and other things for years now.

And I that's why I could never have something like like say a dish network because I mean, if you can't watch the Brewers, why bother?

So while a lot of people are watching the Cubs and the Reds up on the TVs because they are part of a national TV game on Fox last night, other folks are gathered around me on your phone on my iPhone because I've got the spectrum on there.

I just turned that puppy sideways.

I said it on the bar in front of me and I had people watching there.

Parker Olson

Yeah, you and I are the same, Pat.

We used to do that a lot while we were eating dinner and white water.

Yeah.

Pat Craiglo

Oh, yeah.

Yep.

So there's, there's a lot of dual screen stuff.

Now, speaking of that Bergen, Quinn Priester starts the game last night.

Perfect.

Perfect through four innings, 12 men up, 12 men down, including six straight strikeouts to begin the game.

And he still got a no decision in this one, which was really rough.

The Brewers would eventually come back to win.

And that's the thing, even though he got a no decision, when Quinn Priester is pitching, whether he gets a decision or not, the Brewers have won 19 in a row.

Yeah, when you start the game like that, that really helps.

Parker Olson

Yeah, it's pretty helpful.

I think I read yesterday that if the Brewers get one more win with him starting,

Um, it'll tie a Roger Clemens record of 20, um, wins when they

Pat Craiglo

pitch.

Parker Olson

Yeah.

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That

Pat Craiglo

would be cool.

Yeah.

And Christian Yelich, he's not doing so bad.

He just, he hit RBI number 100 yesterday.

100 runs batted in.

First time he's done that since 2018 when he had 110 ribbies and was named the National League MVP.

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So here

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he is.

Triple digits.

once again for him.

So

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that comes

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back from back surgery.

And again, I was one of those.

I was one of them with the back surgery.

I thought, well, that's it, you know, Viacadios.

Have a good retirement.

I was wrong.

I'm glad you were wrong, Pat.

I am too, very much so.

Jacob Mizorovsky will start tonight in St.

Louis and that will get us going on a three game weekend series for the Brewers against St.

Louis and the pregame will get going at 640 on stations in Richland Center, Oshkosh, Racine, Park Falls and Hayward.

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All right, very quick, because we're going to have Keva Keel coming up next, and then today's history lesson.

Just a quick note that Dr. Jill Underly, the state superintendent of public instruction, held her state of education address yesterday at the Capitol, as reported here by the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinel's Cleo Kreici.

And the poll quote out of it is quite simple.

This year, the biggest schoolyard bully in our public schools is our own federal government.

She was talking about the hostility that the Trump administration and the Republican Congress has.

And frankly, with Governor Tony Evers stepping back, look for Underly to be in a secure position to give the most unvarnished review of how the legislature is treating our children and undermining our public schools.

She criticized the use of the US Department of Education funding as some kind of a bargaining chip.

And of course, she came back to the near generation of short changing our public schools by the legislature, forcing school boards to ask local taxpayers to hike their own property taxes just to cover basic operating costs as the legislature passes the buck.

Underly had a lot more to say.

We are going to hear about it from her directly next Wednesday in our weekly hometown segment at 7.30 from Dr. Underly.

From the heart of America's up north, live from Lake Wissota, thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Crightlow and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat (host)

All right, let's get into it.

Part of our week in review as we do Fridays here on the show with Kiavakeel, Career Newsroom's national political editor joining us back home in Los Angeles.

Kia, hello.

How are you?

Kia Vakil

I'm well, Pat.

How are you?

Pat (host)

I'm good.

Past couple of weeks you you've been on

I was gonna say on the road.

Well, no, it wasn't the road.

You were in the air.

You were overseas.

You were over in Europe.

Where was it?

Vienna and Munich were the highlights?

No,

Kia Vakil

I went to Berlin, Vienna, Prague and Krakow.

Pat (host)

So I

Kia Vakil

was abroad for...

little over three weeks and I haven't traveled in a little while and I just wanted to do some travel

Pat (host)

and

Kia Vakil

take a break

Pat (host)

from the state of the news.

I'm very much an advocate of travel and getting away from the headlines for a while because you got to plug back in.

You can't unplug.

full time.

And that's always my biggest fear is that too many people have unplugged and said, well, you can't change anything anyway, even as, you know, the First Amendment is being shredded and things like that.

So, so now that you're back, let's get into things here.

And, boy, last week, I would have said the overarching theme because of the Charlie Kirk murder

was this wrestling of how do you talk about the legacy of somebody with so many negatives and yet be against political violence.

That to me seems to be a distant memory now because the tour of vengeance that Republicans have gone on have now taken us on to a completely different plane of freedom of expression versus what wannabe autocrats want to do.

That seems to be the overarching theme this week to me anyway.

Kia Vakil

Yeah, I mean they're completely shredding the First Amendment and any arguments that Trump, JD Vance, all these guys top to bottom right wing activists have made about free speech or paid speech or freedom of expression, you know turned out to be total BS and that's not shocking to me and

to be clear there are some voices on the right who are principled and you know pushing back on this just all out assault on teachers, college administrators, college students, airline pilots, journalists, political pundits, people, everyone who are saying things you know that are you know maybe ugly and celebrating Kirk's death and that I find distasteful.

Two folks who are quoting his own words and just posting that they didn't like his views and you know

Condemn his death, but didn't like his views all those people are getting doxed fired harassed investigated by the government from Texas to Ohio to Virginia all over the country and it's a modern-day McCarthyist red scare it's cracking down on people's freedom of speech

you can disagree with that speech.

And look, I'm not going to pretend like the left has always gotten that completely right either.

You could probably point to some overreach, but we've never seen anything like this under Democratic leaders where they're using an arm of the state and working with really extreme activists online to harass and target and essentially encourage people to snitch on others for their posts online.

And it's extremely ugly.

It's extremely concerning.

And then even worse is we now have corporations who are censoring, whether it's Jimmy Kimmel, his late night show being pulled off the air, whether it's, again, reporters being fired or benched or whatnot, or companies that are just afraid of how to cover this in terms of not engaging with his views or whitewashing them.

terrifying the moment we're in.

This is the sort of thing I read about in history books growing up and being like, oh gee, I'm glad we're past that.

We turned out out, you know, we're not past it.

It's roared its ugly head, reared its ugly head again.

And, you know, I think most Americans probably think this is too far and find this to be, I think most people broadly don't like political assassination, don't think he should have died.

maybe had a lot of people disagreed with him, a lot of people agreed with him, but I also think most people do not think this crackdown is appropriate, but that doesn't really matter.

We're not in a majoritarian country anymore.

Pat (host)

No, and when you mentioned McCarthyism, again, being from Wisconsin, who'd have thought we'd, well, a lot of us would have thought we'd have the next McCarthy coming from Wisconsin, that in Derrick Van Orden, but of course you monitor, you know, all the courier newsroom outlets around the country,

And so while he may be very special for the hundreds upon hundreds of tweets that he's put out, I'm sure that in plenty of the other states, like like you're hinting at, there are members of Congress or other elected officials who I think in an equal measure, history will not be kind to when we look at, you know, defending our freedom of speech in this country.

Kia Vakil

Yeah, I mean, whether it's Governor Greg Abbott in Texas,

celebrating the firing of teachers, college professors, students being expelled because they made like a distasteful video.

Again, like these are public institutions.

They are covered by the First Amendment.

Those

Pat (host)

are

Kia Vakil

lawsuits waiting to happen.

They're going to get sued for a lot, and they deserve it.

If and when the courts still uphold the First Amendment, which I think, depending on which courts you wind up in, some will and some won't.

you know, I think at the end of the day for as far gone as the Supreme Court is, you know, if you invalidate, if you essentially say the First Amendment doesn't apply, then you're asking for something much uglier than what's happening, right?

You're asking for people pushing for a new constitution, a constitutional revolution, like you can't say the First Amendment doesn't apply.

And that's what they're saying.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

Although I perhaps the most chilling thing I would have heard all week, you just uttered when you knew you dropped the little phrase, depending on which court you go to.

Yeah, you never thought you'd have to say that about First Amendment rights in this country.

This week was supposed to be about other things.

We are still careening toward another government shutdown.

The budget hasn't been resolved.

The Epstein files remain covered up.

I mean, there's still actual work to be done in DC.

And I'm betting you're going to say very little progress was made on any of it this week.

Kia Vakil

Yeah, no.

The government shut down.

We're barreling towards in a little under two weeks.

At this point, I'd put money on the fact that it's going to happen.

You have Republicans who have no interest in negotiating, even though they need Democratic votes.

You have Democrats who are sort of on the same page, but not, you know, not exactly presenting a like really strong argument.

So it's just a mess.

Pat (host)

There will be a lot to cover over these next couple of weeks.

And again, now as the career staff grows and the team grows, we'll have Cam Stevenson coming from Washington, DC, Capitol Hill, every Tuesday for us.

And Kia Vakil helping us wrap up the week on Fridays.

Kia, thank you as always for everything.

Glad you're home safe.

Have a great weekend.

Kia Vakil

Thank you, you too.

Pat (host)

Back with today's history lesson in just a moment.

You're up, Norm.

Parker (co-host)

Today's

Pat Kreitlow (host)

history lesson we start with Brooke Benton or Greg Bach doing his best Brooke

Parker (co-host)

Benton

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Brooke Benton born this day in 1931 he had several R&B hits in the 50s and 60s

He actually put 50 songs on the billboard charts as a singer or songwriter, but then he had a comeback hit in 1970 with Rainy Night in Georgia.

Listen,

Parker (co-host)

listen.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

I could listen to that voice.

Here we go.

Listen to this.

Come

Parker (co-host)

on.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

All right, I'm done admiring singers for the

Greg Bach (guest)

moment.

Here's

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Greg Bach.

Greg, how are you?

Greg Bach (guest)

I'm doing well, man.

Hey, there we go.

The show and talk about musical memories.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

There,

Greg Bach (guest)

there.

That's pretty good.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

All right.

Oh, you got any big plans for the weekend?

Greg Bach (guest)

No, not really good.

I love hearing that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Honestly, like I'm thinking because yeah, it's it's good.

I'm going to try if the weather is is handling itself.

I'm going to try to do some stuff out in the yard.

and kind of start to wind those projects down.

But if not, then I'm going to sit and hang out with my wife and my dog.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Always fun to do, you know, let's see.

I'm supposed to ask Tony asks if if you're still using your CPAP machine and how you're feeling.

Greg Bach (guest)

Oh, good Lord.

Of course I am.

I use it.

I use it.

Here's the thing is if I don't use it, it's because I fall in the sleep and I didn't get a chance to put it on.

But it is a part of.

the every night experience.

Very nice.

Very important.

Samesies.

Thank

Parker (co-host)

you.

Good.

Good.

You guys are good sleep.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

On this day in 1796, George Washington delivered his farewell address.

On this day in 1982 was the first documented use of emoticons, which was simply a smiley face made with a colon and a dash and a parentheses.

And it was used on the Carnegie Mellon University Bullets and Board System.

Because apparently nobody thought to do that on a typewriter.

Parker (co-host)

I

Pat Kreitlow (host)

mean, yeah.

Yeah, I'm calling BS on

Parker (co-host)

that one.

I don't like the hyphen for the nose.

That makes me a little uncomfortable.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Well, that's because you see, young kids like you, you grew up in this era where emoticons, I mean, you get the whole emoji.

You get, it's animated, like the little face winks at you and everything.

back in our day, we just had to type a colon and a dash and the parentheses.

And that was all we got.

That's all we got for choices.

colon parentheses.

Parker (co-host)

That's where I

Pat Kreitlow (host)

stand.

Okay, just don't want to know your anti nose.

I'm anti or you just your

Greg Bach (guest)

nose is typing you type in the whoa, you type in the letter.

I'm smiling at you right now, which is very

Pat Kreitlow (host)

weird.

I just type out laughing out loud.

Yeah, everybody knows what I'm talking about.

Parker (co-host)

I send a voice note of me laughing.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Let's go to 1960, 65 years ago today, the number one song was by Chubby Checker.

That song had some staying power.

It came up the charts again two years later.

It would become the first single ever to hit number one two different times.

probably because it's the only dance most of us can do.

It's just swivel your hips and your

Greg Bach (guest)

knees.

There's like a, there's, there's like a, yeah, there's, he's got, let's twist again.

The twist.

Yes.

Slow twist.

The peppermint twist.

Oh yeah.

He, he, he has a lock on the.

twist based economy when it comes to

Pat Kreitlow (host)

music twist based economy yeah you just you ride that horse until

Parker (co-host)

it

Pat Kreitlow (host)

can't run no more yep yeah for him on this day in 1893 New Zealand became the first country to grant all women the right to vote happy birthday to singer bill medley from the righteous brothers he is 85 years old

Parker (co-host)

today

Talk

Pat Kreitlow (host)

about the singers with deep voices.

So Bill Medley and the late Billy Bobby Hatfield formed the Righteous Brothers.

Bill Medley grew up listening to Ray Charles, Little Richard and BB King.

In fact, the term blue-eyed soul was coined by a Philadelphia DJ to describe the sound of Bill Medley and Bobby Hatfield.

Wow.

And Medley said the the name righteous brothers came from a group of black marines at the El Toro base who liked their style and referred to them as righteous brothers Here's the thing about Bill medley.

He just turned 85.

Yeah earlier this year as an 84 year old He released his latest album.

He's still recording albums.

Parker (co-host)

God I've done nothing with my life

Well, no hang on Greg.

This might be awful.

We don't know.

Is this a good album?

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Why would you say that

Parker (co-host)

about

Pat Kreitlow (host)

85 year old music legend?

Parker (co-host)

We've already talked about how some of the guys have to hang them up, and they don't hang them up.

They still tour.

I'm just saying.

This just in Parker

Greg Bach (guest)

hates old people doing music.

Parker (co-host)

I would like to write my formal apology to the FCC.

I understand.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Please, before we get yanked here.

You upset

Parker (co-host)

an

Pat Kreitlow (host)

old white guy.

You're in trouble now,

Greg Bach (guest)

pal.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

All right.

Greg, I'm going to play from this next birthday.

I'm just going to ask Parker to start the music.

Parker's moving around.

Is there a mouse running around your feet?

What's going on

Parker (co-host)

there?

Honest to God, I'm pretty sure a spider was just crawling up my leg.

Don't even

Pat Kreitlow (host)

know how to respond you you almost jumped up on the stool like you know like in the cartoon when there's a mouse in the house Okay,

Parker (co-host)

I'm sorry you

Pat Kreitlow (host)

want

As I was saying, Greg, I'm going to have Parker now that he's composed himself.

I'll play this next one, our next birthday boy.

And I just want to see if you can, how long it takes you to guess who this is based on the guitar stylings and then the singing.

So Parker hit today's birthday boy.

I give it just second wait for the lead guitar here.

It's about to come in.

There we go.

Now, if I tell you it's chic, does that help?

Greg Bach (guest)

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah.

Who are we talking about?

Niall Rogers.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Niall Rogers is 73 years old today, member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

He was with chic, then he became a legendary record producer.

His records have sold more than 500 million copies.

Now, Rogers is 73 today.

Greg Bach (guest)

He's still amazing.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Yeah.

I have not one, not two, but three notes here about the year 1970.

It was on September 19th, 1970 that Diana Ross after leaving the Supremes got her first number one solo hit Parker.

You got to hit the button here.

I'm pointing at him.

Greg Bach (guest)

He's looking for the spider, Pat.

He's looking for the spider.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

There ain't no mountain high enough for Parker to get up in the way

Parker (co-host)

from the spider.

Man, that FCC joke really came back to bite me quick.

I didn't know they could send in a spider.

Something just like the spider.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Yes, but a bum.

Okay, so there's Diana Ross with Ain't No Mountain High Enough, her first solo hit this day in 1970.

Also on this day in 1970, again, we're back to doing series premieres here, the premiere of the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

And I didn't know if whether we wanted to do a single on Greg.

Who could turn the world on with her smile?

Let's see, and happy birthday to Frida Payne, the singer is 83 years old, and she had a 1970 hit Band of Gold.

Happy birthday to Trisha Yearwood, who turned 61 years old today.

Parker (co-host)

If

Pat Kreitlow (host)

she and Darth Brooks been married now,

Greg Bach (guest)

I bet that's

Pat Kreitlow (host)

solid.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yeah.

Or as he refers to himself, Mr. Yearwood.

I love that.

Mr. Yearwood.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Yes.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yes.

Let me see.

How long have Garth and Trisha been married?

I love that, Google.

Thank you very much, Google.

19 years, almost 20 years.

Good for them.

That's fantastic.

Parker (co-host)

Oh my goodness.

All

Greg Bach (guest)

right.

There you go.

Longer than I thought.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Good.

Here's another birthday today.

Jimmy Fallon is 51 years old today and still employed, at least for another day.

You

Parker (co-host)

never

Pat Kreitlow (host)

know.

of this day in 1985.

You remember this one, Greg, when Tipper Gore and other political wives formed the Parents Music Resource Center to get labels on albums that had explicit language?

Greg Bach (guest)

Yes.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Meanwhile, Frank Zappa, John Denver, and others testified at congressional hearings about obscenity and rock music.

D. Snyder.

D. Snyder as well.

That's right.

Yep.

So that's that's why you have labels is because Al Gore's wife and others said we got to we got to slap a label on these things

Greg Bach (guest)

And they fought it tooth and nail and they really like it was it was a big deal And then what they come to find is that when you put the labels on the records it would sell more

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Exactly they figured that out like they

Greg Bach (guest)

stopped

Pat Kreitlow (host)

fighting it.

We're like,

Greg Bach (guest)

okay, this

Pat Kreitlow (host)

will work.

Yeah, sure We'll put a label on everything

On this day in 1987, the Grateful Dead hit number 10 with Touch of Grey.

Their only song to hit the top 10 on the Hot 100.

On this day in 1989, a new series began with Neil Patrick Harris as a teenage physician.

That's right, Dougie Hauser MD premiered this day in 1989 on ABC and is still around.

Dougie Hauser or Neil Patrick Harris, he got

Greg Bach (guest)

some staying power.

Absolutely.

Well, he went away for a while.

Everyone's like, oh, who's he?

And then he came back.

We're like, oh, we love him.

It's always what happens.

Yes.

There's a star.

They're amazing.

We love them.

We're sick of them.

We say, no, thank you.

And then we act like we never saw them.

And then we're like, oh my gosh, where did you go?

And they're like, yeah, you stopped booking me.

So

Parker (co-host)

also

Greg Bach (guest)

that's on you.

Two things, I feel like if you took a picture of Parker when he was younger, like he was 12, he would look very doogoo doogie.

Oh, very doogie.

Yes.

Yes.

Also, Parker, there's a spider on your shoulder.

Oh, Meg.

Parker (co-host)

Shaking in my boots here.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

One more, one more tune here on this day in 1999.

The chicks became the first group in the history of the Billboard 200 album chart to have a country album.

debut at number one with the album Fly.

Parker (co-host)

Fly not

Pat Kreitlow (host)

only had this song Cowboy Take Me Away, it had Goodbye Earl.

If I fall, you're going down with me, ready to run and Sin Wagon.

I'll

Greg Bach (guest)

still

Pat Kreitlow (host)

listen to that album front to back.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yes, I was gonna say I believe that I believe I love all of the chicks music.

I celebrate their entire discography.

But I think Fly may be a perfect album.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Oh, without a doubt.

And it Yeah.

And no wonder it debuted at number one.

They were writing the A Wave of Popularity and people took to that album right away.

On this day in 2011, one of those TV things that you don't know if it's going to work or not, Ashton Kutcher debuted on two and a half men replacing Charlie Sheen.

And it worked to hunger on for like I think four more seasons.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And a weird show.

And one year ago today, Shohei Otani created the 50-50 club.

He became the first player in baseball history to hit 50 home runs and steal 50 bases in a single season.

That guy's better than you and me and everybody else.

Yeah,

Greg Bach (guest)

but the burrs swept them.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Yeah.

They can't take that away from us.

Today is National Butterscotch Pudding Day.

I haven't had Butterscotch Pudding since I was like 10 years old.

Wow.

Today is, this is both Concussion Awareness Day and National Overthinkers Day.

Coincident?

Of course.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Wow.

Greg Bach (guest)

That's a real thinker.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

It is a real thinker, yeah.

And finally, Greg, it is National Talk Like a Pirate Day.

Greg Bach (guest)

I bet you there's pirates who talk like me.

Just like, hey guys, would you like to go plunder the booty over there?

We'd like to get some.

I knew Greg was just

Pat Kreitlow (host)

not

Greg Bach (guest)

going to go along with this.

We're going to steal this ship and all its wares.

And frankly, I don't like the misrepresentation of me in TV and films.

Thank you very much.

I may be a pirate, but I'm also a person.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

I'd love to see him go, Hey, you guys, we're taking over your ship.

Okay.

Oh, let me squeeze past you.

Greg Bach (guest)

My name is blue beard.

I'm here to take you stuff.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow (host)

Greg Bach.

You can hear him on Matt and Aaron air weekdays nine to 11 right after this program on the civic media radio network.

Much more head of the next couple of hours of these mornings with pack right low powered by up north news.

This is the civic media radio network.

Parker (co-host)

Are we gonna listen to this?

Pat Kratlow

On behalf of Civic Media, we'd like to apologize to the spider that caused such disruption that we couldn't even go into the commercial break without busting out.

Did you ever find the little bugger?

Turn your microphone on.

And I

Parker

forgot to turn my mic on.

Oh, it is Friday.

Pat Kratlow

Wow.

If there's anybody listening in the Madison studio, please bring Parker some chamomile tea.

Greg Bach

We're going to call the day.

We're just going to end this whole show right now.

Whistle!

Pat Kratlow

Whistle!

Greg Bach

Thank

Pat Kratlow

you.

There we go.

Yes, we have the Roy Kent coffee mug.

It is Friday.

Shall we?

Well, let's first do the... What's that thing called?

Free Ticket Friday.

See?

It's happening over here too.

Free Ticket Friday.

Let's get that keyword out there.

You could win four tickets to see the Brewers again since that next Friday night.

Text us the keyword blue, B-L-U-E, like the color.

Text blue until nine o'clock.

Greg, would you guess, hazard a guess that you'll have a keyword as part of matinee on air, a different keyword later on?

Greg Bach

Oh, most definitely we will have a keyword for you when we're on the air.

Well, we're on from 9 to 11.

We generally, you know, we like to tease it a little bit.

But yes, just like with Pat's show today, this morning, when we give you our keyword, you're going to pull out the Civic Media app and you're going to text it in via the Civic Media app.

Remember, spelling counts.

Pat Kratlow

Yes, it does.

B L U E blue is the keyword until nine o'clock this morning.

All right, I got my got my Harvey Levin oversized mug here.

Let's pretend that this is the TMZ newsroom as Parker pitches the entertainment story of the day.

Parker, what have you got?

Parker

Star Wars starfighter aren't you so excited, Pat?

We got a new Star Wars movie coming out and it's star studded, which is really weird for Star Wars.

It has Ryan Gosling starring in it.

What?

Greg Bach

Mm

Pat Kratlow

hmm.

Yeah, that makes me.

I'm gasoline and Star Wars.

Yeah.

And it's also

Parker

got

Pat Kratlow

a

Parker

bunch of others too.

Pat Kratlow

And is that the name of it Starfighter?

Parker

Yeah, Starfighter.

It takes place like five years after the most recent trilogy.

And

Greg Bach

so five years after Rise of Skywalker.

Yes.

Okay, all right, that's what they're doing now with these with these some of these properties They're doing like it's five years after return of the Jedi it's five out five years after the well Also, it's a long long time ago.

So five years means nothing

Pat Kratlow

The galaxy far far away.

We're timed as a flat circle.

What's five years anyway

Greg Bach

where they can conjure the science to fly through space and have laser weapons They're like when when did this take place long time ago?

Mm-hmm far away.

You got

Pat Kratlow

attention.

She's like what Ryan Gosling

I assume that that is a good thing that she's expressing.

Here's hoping.

But but a new Star Wars, she says.

OK.

Maybe not so much the Ryan Gosling.

Maybe yes on the Star Wars.

OK.

So all right.

So we will get a feel for where people are on a star studded Star Wars star fighter.

Is this something that is just.

getting going in production or if they already shot it and we know when it's coming out.

Parker

Um, it is in production.

I think right now, I saw a picture of Ryan Gosling on set and it feels as weird as you would think it would feel for him to be in a Star Wars costume.

Greg Bach

I don't know what you're talking about.

There's a lot of Star Wars movies and TV shows with, with stars in it, with, with known actors.

I was going to say from the

Pat Kratlow

beginning, Alec Guinness, you know, is Obi-Wan Kenobi in the,

Greg Bach

in the

Pat Kratlow

original movie.

Greg Bach

Okay.

Huge star.

Yeah.

I guess I just was $95 million off of that movie from the back end deal.

He did with the points.

Pat Kratlow

He's a smart, he's a smart Jedi.

All right.

All right.

What else we got?

Parker

What else we got?

Well, uh, Stephen Colbert made a little pitch to potential employers while he was at the Emmys.

Uh, he brought a head shot and he asked if Harrison Ford could get the head shot to Steven Spielberg and maybe get some, uh,

get some jobs lined up for him.

Greg Bach

Stephen Colbert is the next Indiana Jones.

Pat Kratlow

No, no, I don't think I'm not getting that one.

All right.

Maybe we'll workshop it maybe.

So what do we think between Stephen Colbert, now Jimmy Kimmel and John Stewart?

Do we think that any of them are coming back to like a network TV show or

might we see some kind of like an independent project going forward?

Greg, if you were especially let's take Jimmy Kimmel out of it because Stephen Colbert and John Stuart have more of a history together.

Well, what are the odds that they don't just say, Well, you know, I guess we're retired, we'll cash the checks as opposed to coming back with something.

Greg Bach

I think that John Stuart likes his gig at the Daily Show right now.

He only has to work one day a week.

Yeah.

And I think Stephen Colbert still has something in him.

I think he still has something to say.

I don't know if it'll be, I, I know it can easily be a podcast cause that's just the easiest pivot, but I'd like to see him on television or something about Stephen Colbert, especially on network television.

That's it still has some.

push for me personally.

But I think the easiest thing for Colbert to do is say, All right, pack it up, pack it in.

And here we go.

We're gonna go start a podcast.

Pat Kratlow

Yeah.

Alicia writes, Wait, what has John Stuart been canceled to?

No, no, no, I just met because John Stuart is only working that one day a week.

That, you know, maybe they could do something.

Tony puts up no more corporate media.

Well, I mean, yeah, the mega corporations.

I, for one, am happy to be working with the corporate media that is Civic Media.

That's a fine corporation, a public benefits corporation.

Greg Bach

May I add as well?

I really enjoy working for Civic Media and really all of its affiliates.

Exactly.

Pat Kratlow

All right.

So again, Stephen Colbert, you want one more?

One more entertainment story to close out the week.

Parker

Oh, did you realize that Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift are engaged yet?

No, you didn't know that.

Well,

Pat Kratlow

now you know, that's not your story.

No, it's not the story.

It's not the story.

All

Parker

right.

Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL was asked if Taylor Swift might be a halftime show.

And he said, just maybe, which I think is kind of baffling.

Pat Kratlow

Well, you think you think he was taking a dig at it like she might not be good enough?

Parker

I think it's weird that she hasn't done one yet, given she's been a massive star for like decades.

Pat Kratlow

Kind of doesn't.

needed.

I mean,

Greg Bach

she's

Pat Kratlow

she's had her own thing going on.

Also,

Greg Bach

the logistics of it all, I wouldn't be surprised if it just didn't work out.

And also, I think that people would lose their minds if she did.

Like, there's such a there's such a weird like, like

I need, I need tough and cool for my halftime show.

Can

Pat Kratlow

you imagine though that if she was and all these Swifties got tickets to the Super Bowl, but just for her.

So like during the Super Bowl, the

Greg Bach

left,

Pat Kratlow

they're all in the concourse and milling around and scrolling on their phones.

And there's like half empty stands for the Super Bowl.

And then they all come rushing back in for the halftime show.

Greg Bach

And then

Pat Kratlow

after Taylor's done out, they go again.

That would be an amazing scene.

And it's exactly what would happen.

That's why Tay Tay is not doing the Super Bowl show.

Greg Bach.

We'll see you at nine o'clock for Matt and Aaron air.

If you

Greg Bach

don't

Pat Kratlow

mind.

Greg Bach

Absolutely.

Come on.

Pat Kratlow

All right.

We'll be happy to you have a wonderful weekend.

We've got our weekend review panel coming up right after the news.

I'm Pat Kratlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Pat Crichtlow (host)

Good morning, it is 7 0 6.

It is nice to have you back here up North on a Friday morning.

It is September 19th, 2025.

Parker Olson's producing things down in Studio A2 meteorologist, Brittany Merlot.

is standing by and so is our Week in Review panel journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze and former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel to talk about the big stories of the week and obviously what is happening to our First Amendment in our corporate media is going to be a big part of this hour's discussions.

In our next hour, Dr. Kristen Lierly joins us along with Kate Duffy from Motherhood for Good, talking about a big diaper drive going on for a local diaper bank and how you can help out and how your donations can be doubled thanks to somebody who's going to be matching all of those gifts.

And Mike Clemens will be along at 835 to talk all about the brewers sweeping the angels and now heading to St.

Louis for a series against the Cardinals.

And then they had out of out of the st.

Louis series this weekend They then had to where is it San Diego?

That's right for games Monday Tuesday Wednesday of next week and then they come home for the final home stand of the season next weekend against Cincinnati and That gets us to free ticket Friday.

This is the final free ticket Friday

of the Brewer's season.

So you want that Civic Media app handy to send us the keyword.

I'm going to give you just a little bit and you can get four tickets to next Friday night's game versus Cincinnati.

And it's our last free ticket Friday.

So

Listen for that keyword you'll have until nine o'clock to text it in and then more keywords throughout the day, more chances to enter one of those drawings or one of those entries today will be drawn to win those four tickets to the game.

Now let's give it to you now.

It's blue.

blue text the keyword blue like the color before 9am and you will be in the running for those brewers tickets on free ticket Friday.

Now let's get to meteorologist Brittany Merleau who is looking at a radar.

over the upper Midwest that just basically looks like an old cocktail napkin and you put the cup of coffee on there or whatever and it's just got these rings of a mess and it's just these rings of rain all over the place and you just don't know when it's going to rain but you know you're on the napkin somewhere, Brittany.

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

I have never heard that comparison and I love it.

You've got me cracking up.

I can't even think now.

Pat Crichtlow (host)

Now that's perfect.

Yes.

I mean it is you look at the napkin you lift up the coffee cup and you go oh Maybe I should maybe should aim better when I'm pouring but be that as it may We got a mess across the Midwest

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

We do and this isn't even the low-pressure system itself.

This is still just a

front wrapped through the state, but the winds are picking up.

It's going to be a breezy day today and that's going to continue into the weekend.

Actually, we have a beach hazard statement on all the Lake Michigan shores through at least tomorrow.

And we're also looking at Douglas County.

You're going to see some of the bigger waves potentially approaching about 10 feet high.

So.

strong winds off the lake, strong winds inland as well, and a lot of rain on and off.

It's becoming numerous now throughout the state, a little heavy at times, especially right now towards Hurley, Eau Claire, Park Falls.

You're kind of getting in the mix of that.

But this is going to be the case as we go through the next few days.

What I'm thinking is, is we'll have a little break this afternoon and then more starts to ramp up later tonight, or it could be heavy in spots.

We might get a little bit of a break tomorrow, but then Sunday it looks to get heavy as well and potentially into Monday, too, where we could see a front setting up across southeastern parts of the state, where it could just start to downpour maybe two inches, three inches in some spots.

But widespread, we're really looking at about a half an inch to an inch by the time this weekend is said and done.

Really depends on if your town gets underneath multiple thunderstorms.

or not.

This is a messy system.

It has honestly been one of the hardest ones to forecast, to be honest with you.

But the good news is I don't see any severe weather in it.

I just see some heavy rainfall potentially.

So breezy, wet.

dark and dreary this weekend.

Don't forget the umbrella.

I actually made a post on Facebook.

I want pictures of your umbrellas.

I just started thinking this morning, there's got

Pat Crichtlow (host)

to be an

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

array of colors and designs and things.

And if you get caught in the rain, I want to see a video too.

Pat Crichtlow (host)

Yes, they're absolutely so many umbrellas.

That's a that's a great idea.

I

Announcer

wonder if there are any umbrellas that look like Pat's shirt.

Right?

Oh,

Pat Crichtlow (host)

you know, the one day I don't wear a plaid or a flannel shirt.

And now it's being used as fodder for

umbrellas.

No,

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

it's just a

Pat Crichtlow (host)

little palm trees on it.

It's it's fine.

Let's see what's in the mailbag here.

First off from Alisha.

Oh, what's with the honeycomb design on the shirt?

All right, moving on here from Roger and Steven's point.

Good morning.

As the bells echo from St.

Peter's Church, I tuned into the game that Chad Holmes called last night.

Wassa East at Mosini.

The game had a one hour, 40 minute rain delay with a thunderstorm.

Mosini won 35 seven as the game went final at almost 11 p.m.

Shadows puts in some long days.

Let's see.

I know that we've got Robin Tigerton here.

There he is.

Good morning from Tigerton.

Cloudy and 59 he puts on YouTube.

Yesterday I was busy mowing five yards in Tigerton.

Yesterday when you were all talking about pizza, I had a supreme pizza at Blazers Bar and Grill in Split Rock.

And he notes that the Tigerton sunsets are rapidly coming before seven o'clock.

6.58 is what he says sunsets going to be in Tigerton.

He said last night around Lake Dubai area north of Stevens Point had two and a half inches of rain.

Tigerton two tenths of an inch of rain overnight.

He said we do need the rain.

It was the first in 10 days.

And so that much rain is needed.

And he also says he does not have an umbrella.

Whereas Alicia puts on their

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

info.

Pat Crichtlow (host)

I know Alicia says, Oh, I've got a rainbow umbrella that I bought at Fox Valley Pride.

So

Announcer

get

Pat Crichtlow (host)

them sent in.

And I mean, do you subscribe to the whole theory of, you know, opening an umbrella inside as bad luck or can people open their umbrella inside to make the video or the photo?

Or would you rather they be

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

outside?

Okay.

I wouldn't do that.

I would be outside with it.

Outside's better.

Come on.

Look at

you

Pat Crichtlow (host)

being all superstitious.

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

But if it's stored inside and you're not going anywhere and it's just sitting there, you can just send a picture of it just sitting there.

That's fine.

Pat Crichtlow (host)

Okay, that'll work.

Thank you, Brittany.

We'll talk to you next hour.

Brittany Merlot (meteorologist)

Have a good day.

Pat Crichtlow (host)

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In the news there is a report that Congressman Tom Tiffany might be on the verge of announcing a run for governor.

It's not an announcement that's coming from him.

It came from Wisconsin College Republicans.

Yesterday they tweeted out a flyer advertising a very special event in Wausau hosted by Tom Tiffany coming up next Wednesday, September 24th.

Multiple Republicans in the state told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Tiffany is planning to officially jump into the 2026 governor's race next week.

I mean, I'm still not thoroughly convinced because again, putting your name out there is a great way to do fundraising and build name ID.

And in the end, he could say, you know, this just isn't the right time for me, but thanks for all of you who've been writing checks recently.

So again, I'll believe it when I hear it.

although it would be great news for Wisconsin Republicans because right now they have two relative unknowns who are running in Washington County executive Josh Schoeman and Waukesha County business owner Bill Barion.

And so while Tom Tiffany is far better up north in the Seventh Congressional District, his name of course has come up in countless conversations because Republicans are desperately seeking a rare win in state elections.

You would get the impression that Republicans were dominant in Wisconsin to look at the legislature, but that, of course, was based on maps that were gerrymandered for over a decade.

If you look at statewide elections, there have been 18 statewide elections dating back to 2018.

And of those 18 statewide elections, the Democratic or the Progressive candidate

has won 15 of those 18 state elections.

Now, there will be a primary, of course, both for the Democrats and the Republicans for the governor's race.

There will be races next year for Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Treasurer, Secretary of State.

But with a wide open governor's race, Republicans are looking for somebody who has name ID.

And so it is quite possible, though I would say not a certainty yet, that Tom Tiffany could get into the race in the middle of next week.

Coming up this weekend, we're going to hear more about a Republican plan that would make some big changes about elections and ballot drop boxes.

That note is coming from WISN TV ahead of their Sunday show Up Front.

They will be interviewing Republican State Representative Scott Krug.

He's the Assembly Majority Leader.

He's the Vice Chair of the Assembly Elections Committee.

And it starts off with some good news.

The Republican proposal that's about to be unveiled would finally, finally allow the processing of absentee ballots the day before Election Day.

That's something that should have been done a long time ago.

It's not counting the ballots, that happens on election day.

But it's a process to get the envelopes, open up the envelope, well first verify the envelopes against the voter list, then open them up and get them set and then you can feed them, you know, the next day.

Whereas if you're doing it day of, it stretches the process out and...

Frankly, Republicans haven't fixed it because they like that it's stretched out.

They like that sometimes the results don't come in until after midnight because of big cities like Milwaukee, Green Bay, Racine, Kenosha, and elsewhere.

And they can say, oh, there must be something suspicious going on with these ballots coming out late at night.

Well, now Republicans say they are willing to pass a bill that would begin processing absentee ballots the day before.

Of course, there's always a catch.

There's always a catch.

And so the bill would mandate new, quote, security measures for Dropboxes, including 24-hour surveillance video of each Dropbox that must be live-streamed on the municipality's website.

Ballots would also need to be transferred under the supervision of a law enforcement officer, and the legislation would penalize clerks

who correct errors on absentee ballot requests.

In other words, this is going after a fly with a sledgehammer.

This is overkill to the umpteenth degree here.

Surveillance video on every Dropbox that has to be live streamed on the municipality website.

I'll say it again, there is already a penalty for mail fraud.

If you use the mail fraud, you're going to get in trouble.

Do we put 24-hour cameras on every mailbox?

Does the city of Chippewa Falls have to have a website showing the webcams of every mailbox?

No!

Same goes for absentee ballot dropboxes.

I'm up here in the town of Eagle Point, has a beautiful old town hall.

You're telling me that this town and every other township that wants an absentee ballot dropbox now has to go through the expense of a live stream 24-hour camera?

and has to have a law enforcement officer there to transfer the ballots.

Once again, these Republican legislators are teasing you by saying, hey, we're willing to make elections go a little bit more smoothly processing those absentee ballots.

But here's some strings attached.

And they're not even strings.

These are ropes.

These are chains.

This is a non starter.

But

It's been pretty par for the course lately when it comes to Republicans managing elections.

Our Week in Review panel is coming up.

Our keyword before 9 a.m.

for Free Ticket Friday for Brewer's Tickets to next Friday's game against the Cincinnati Reds is blue.

Text blue, B-L-U-E, before 9 a.m.

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Our esteemed Week in Review panel is coming up right after we talk a bit about what they're all up to these days.

You can get from Jennifer Sholsey her newsletter on Substack called Indistinct Chatter.

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Jennifer, their latest issue says it does no one any good for Charlie Kirk's life to be sainwashed or for reporters to rush to publish unverified info.

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Talks about media timidity from some cowardly journalists after the Charlie Kirk murder.

And of course, former US Attorney Jim Santel has amicus a law review every Saturday, starting at 9am on civic media radio stations around Wisconsin.

Learn more at civicmedia.us Jennifer, Jim, Mark, good morning.

Jennifer Sholsey

Good

Host

morning.

See, yeah, I'm getting better.

I'm just saying good morning.

I'm just saying good morning.

How are you?

Because then there's that uncomfortable thing after that.

Mark Jacob

So

Jennifer Sholsey

we'll

Host

just stick with good morning.

So here we are.

I feel like, you know, this segment got started with just, you know, Mark came on board and I thought, well, let's get some friends here to join in with us.

But every so often, I just want to go back to the way that it

was in the beginning because I just know all I have to do is say something and It's like pulling a string Mark ABC capitulated to Donald Trump and They basically are I'm sure Jimmy Kimmel's not coming back the way things are looking right now What do you think I'm gonna go get some breakfast.

I'll be back in a while the floor is yours Literally smart

Well, look, the real problem

Mark Jacob

is corporate media.

It's people, big corporations who own a lot of different businesses that many of which have nothing to do with journalism, but they happen to own media outlets as well.

Therefore, because they're scared of Trump sabotaging their other interests, they're willing to sacrifice their media outlet or the legitimacy of it,

in order to satisfy the would-be dictator.

And so that's why they are so quick to capitulate, to throw millions of dollars at Trump and to do what they did to Kimmel.

And there's this self-censorship going on now in media where people get fired for saying perfectly reasonable things, just to maybe they think it's almost like the Aztecs throwing

people into the fire to sacrifice themselves then to the gods.

I mean, there is this kind of idea that if you, if the media punishes its own, then the dictator will be satisfied.

Well, and the truth is the dictator's never satisfied.

The dictator wants more and more always.

Host

I saw this going in a lot of directions.

I did not have Aztec sacrifice on my bingo card.

Mark Jacob

I'm going to Mexico soon, so I'm really thinking

Host

Aztecs.

This is why we've got him here.

Jennifer,

Jennifer Sholsey

I mean,

Host

again, equally, equally shocking that we're at that point where it's not even like a suspension.

It is bending the knee in record time.

Jennifer Sholsey

Yeah, really.

It is absolutely incredible how this happened, but not at all surprising.

Remember that Trump said after Colbert's show was not renewed, he said on social media, Kimmel is next.

And he has been attacking Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert for years.

So this is, I'm sure, maybe it wasn't written down in Project 2025, but it was part of the revenge plan.

I don't think he's going to stop there.

He said, you know, the NBC late night comedians should be fired next.

So, you know, I think this is going to keep going.

I don't know who's going to stop it, but it's a really bad place for us to be.

Host

Here's who would normally stop it, an independent federal communications commission.

But Jim Santel, I mean, we know what the law that set up the FCC would do in a perfect world.

But from a legal standpoint, we're in a different kind of area when you have an FCC commissioner who is just an outright totie to the sitting president.

Jim Santel

And it's contrary to the congressional intent, right?

We've got all these agencies, FCC among them,

Oh, by the way, the Federal Reserve is out there also being attacked, Consumer Product Safety Commission, all kinds of things.

They're established by the Congress.

They are not sitting around the President's cabinet table.

He does not have authority over them.

And yet, and yet, yes, appointments are often made, and there's no doubt about that.

But the concept, what my Congress was, independence.

You don't want political decision-making going on at these agency levels.

And again, up to now, the Supreme Court in many of these cases has said, all right, even while we're litigating that underlying issue, which has been resolved, we know the president does not have authority in these areas, we'll let you go ahead and fire people, let you go ahead and frankly encourage exactly the kind of thing that the Congress prohibited, which was partisan perspective, doing things that are on the agenda.

of a particular political party.

It is completely antithetical.

Regardless of what your political views are, Republican-Democrat's somewhere between this is not, this is not the way our administrative strategy was set up and our structure was set up to operate in this way.

Host

No, not at all.

Mark, I mean, we'll get more into this after the break, but I mean, where do we go from here?

I mean, we do have people like just a minute ago, Adam put up, I immediately canceled my Disney Plus subscription.

I love Disney's content, but I need to speak with my wallet and there are plenty of people doing that from more of a big picture standpoint.

Are we relatively just tied up until the midterms and maybe there's a change in Congress?

Mark Jacob

Well, that's part of it.

I mean, because Congress is letting all this happen.

I mean, they've pretty much just surrendered all of their duty to the American people.

But I really think, you know, acting with your wallet is the way to go.

I mean, why are these big corporations complying with Trump's fascism for money?

Because they think democracy won't make him as much money as this will.

And it really, it's all bottom line stuff.

So why not hit it with the bottom line?

So yeah, I'm for boycotts.

I think that's the way to go.

You know, the other thing that really strikes me about this pad is the idea that...

Trump hates government regulations supposedly.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

If the FCC is being is is doing way more regulating and climbing into our business than anyone than it ever did before.

Host

It's like they hate red tape.

Oh, we hate red tape until but we sure know how to impose it when we want to.

Mark Jacob

We'll

Host

have more with our week and review panel coming up after the break.

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Radio Host

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So we'll talk to her Monday about her entering the gubernatorial race for 2026.

Then on Wednesday in our homeroom segment, we will talk to Dr. Jill Underly, state superintendent of public instruction yesterday.

She gave her state of education address and said that

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Jennifer Scholesy and Mark Jacob.

Nice to have you back here for this week's Week in Review panel.

And Jennifer, we'll start with you because we've already discussed the pulling of Jimmy Kimmel allegedly in response to things that he said.

And by the way, if any of you missed that in the last segment, subscribe to us as a podcast or red Spotify, and you'll never miss any of these segments.

what it risks doing here with this Jimmy Kimmel thing is we're now focused on the way the First Amendment is essentially being trashed by corporate media and I think that that only fits the ongoing what you and I would call sanewashing of Charlie Kirk's record that people are being made to feel afraid to speak the truth about this guy and it is more important than ever to

As I said before, we're not going to do the deification of Charlie Kirk on this program.

Jennifer Schulze

I think we are in a perfect storm.

The years of demonizing the media and embracing alternate facts, or did she say alternative facts, we're seeing the absolute impact of that right now.

Facts do not matter.

If you utter...

Charlie Kirk's name and you're not the right person doing that.

There is a mob coming after you for your job.

They're coming, you know, they're sending threats.

It is a remarkable time in American history.

You cannot say anything that the mob does not like or you risk everything and people are being fired for saying really

pretty mild stuff and there's a myth I think out there that people are celebrating and people are you know demonizing and and surely there is some of that because the internet is a big place but the impression you might get from that is that it's democratic politicians that it's you know leaders of the opposition from you know well-known groups it is not but but it is so

consumed everybody and everything that up is down and down is up.

It is an incredible thing.

Radio Host

It's what I always say about you know Ronald Reagan's welfare queens.

There will always be at least one person gaming the system and there will always be one immigrant who's committing a crime and even if that's the only one if you blow that up

people are going to think that's what everybody is doing.

And that's what they're doing now with people who are not even criticizing Charlie Kirk, Mark Jacob.

They're simply repeating his words back.

And now you have from Congressman Derek Van Orden becoming a modern day Joseph McCarthy.

You have, as Jennifer refers, this mob that begins at the very top with essentially a mob boss in the White House unleashing this mob, something that he's got experience doing.

Mark Jacob

Right.

Well, I mean, it's it's clear that the right wing is looking for excuses to become even more authoritarian than it already is.

And so they're just looking for pretexts.

I mean, it's the whole if people didn't understand what the Reichstag fire was in Germany.

And that was when somebody it's still not even clear who set the parliament on fire.

Now, the Nazis reacted by getting rid of all civil rights and creating a dictatorship.

So.

And I'm not saying, you know, I'm not making a one-to-one comparison with MAGA and Nazis, although I'd stop making any comparison if they'd stop acting like that.

But what I'm saying is that they look for pretext, fascists look for pretext.

They want excuses to do terrible things.

And the Kirk thing, which was a terrible act by a confused young man, is their pretext.

And that's a thing.

As Jennifer pointed out,

Two months ago, Trump was posting about getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel.

It's not, they didn't have anything to do with Charlie Kirk.

Not a thing.

That's just a pretext.

Radio Host

Yeah, exactly.

And you have in this growing mob, Jim Santel, you have people who are, I mean,

We've gone from support to allegiance to blind faith, and they are starting to lose sight of things like the difference between a king and a president.

And that was a theme echoed this week by a sitting Supreme Court justice.

Jim Santel

Sonia Sotomayor is in New York City at the NYU Law School.

It's Constitution Day.

on Wednesday.

We all celebrated that, right?

Jennifer Schulze

Back in 1787.

What's

Jim Santel

that?

A couple years later, we passed a thing in the first Congress saying, yes, indeed, there's freedom of the press, freedom of speech.

Gosh, those were the days, right?

So, Sonia said to Mayor is in New York, and she's talking all about these things, and she is saying, bemoaning the fact that Americans may no longer have a real clear civics understanding of how these things work, how the meanings of the Constitution

those words, do in fact have some significance.

She also takes appropriately a shot at lawyers, which I appreciate.

She says, I think the thing that gets me every time I listen to a lawyer-trained representative saying we should criminalize free speech in the same way I think to myself that law school has failed.

If any student who becomes a lawyer hasn't been taught civics, then the law school has failed.

And again, not only is there cynicism by this president and others in Washington and other places around the country, but it's so cynical because it relies upon the incapacity of Americans to understand how things work.

promoting institutional things, it's understanding what the First Amendment means, not every single case.

It's been decided for 200 years.

But the fundamental trappings of it, that's what she is bemoaning.

And she is saying that in the midst of an internet that permits you to post anything that you want, that confusion only adds to this huge problem of lack of understanding about how things are supposed to work.

Radio Host

So we've got the cynicism that's out there and it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, which is a little odd because, I mean, people have been making cynical jokes about government as long as there have been governments.

But that cynicism is built to such a level, Jennifer, that there's people that are willing to essentially allow a government to be overthrown and allow the First Amendment to be trashed because of their cynicism.

It makes it

hard to believe that there is a way to start to turn things back.

And I'm putting this on your shoulders first, whether you want to talk about media companies or media consumers, what kinds of first steps are there that start to have more people

understand the importance of the First Amendment and not allowing presidents to be dictators, I guess I'd go first just to say what we need is for networks, and I would also say for colleges and universities, a few more people to be especially vocal in standing up and resisting this trend.

Jennifer Schulze

Well, yeah, I agree with that.

Right now, people are afraid.

At every level, people are afraid, and we need more people to be brave and stand up to

everything that Trump is doing and and remind your neighbors your family what the Constitution says free speech what it really means and maybe even dig down to the granular stuff I mean the thing one of the things about the the Kimmel story that really bothers me is what he said and what he didn't say

is not in most of the news coverage.

All of MAGA is saying he said a MAGA person killed Charlie Kirk.

He did not.

He was making fun of Donald Trump.

And I scoured news coverage yesterday in the follow-up stories about the Jimmy Kimmel suspension, and I couldn't find many that actually

had what Kimmel said and also reflected what MAGA is saying he said.

So it's an interesting, there is an earth two over here.

And I think people need to really understand that and appreciate it and then try to puncture it.

And I think one of the ways we fight back against that is I think we have to start really leaning into alternative communication things.

I think network news,

is on its way out.

So what's going to replace it?

You know, where's Jimmy Kimmel going to pop up next?

He's not going to go back to ABC News or ABC.

I doubt it.

Where's he going to come?

There's got to be alternative spaces.

We already know that there are.

I think we have to also help support the ones that are there and grow them like career and things like that.

And maybe that's a start.

Radio Host

Yeah.

Let's look at another dimension of this mark and it's not we've been talking about ABC a lot here But let's talk about the affiliates and the affiliate ownership and now I'm really going to show my age Because I grew up at a time when we had what was called the rule of sevens the most anybody could own was seven AM's seven FM radio stations and seven TV stations and that was it and now we have these groups that own

dozens and dozens of stations and hundreds

Jennifer Schulze

of stations.

Radio Host

And if they have right-wing ownership and biases like Sinclair and maybe Nextstar as well, it's those affiliate groups that are truly the big corporate media, arguably more so than the networks.

And that just is blaring antitrust issues in my mind, Mark.

Mark Jacob

Well that's actually that's a key thing because while ABC as an entity doesn't you know get regulated or they don't they don't have to be sanctioned sanctioned by the FCC the licenses they're not licensed by the FCC the individual stations local stations are licensed by the FCC and that's where where you know that's where the Brendan Carr has them you know

by the neck.

And would you have his next star, for example, which was part of the whole Kimmel thing, got that ball rolling, they have a deal now to get even bigger.

That's got to be approved by Brendan Carr and the FCC.

So clearly they're going to do whatever Trump wants in order to get bigger and bigger.

And if people are complaining about the lack of disparate voices and lack of free speech, which the right wing was talking about, at least during the Biden administration,

they need to be looking at these monopolies that are being built up.

And if you're Trump, you want monopolies if they're beholden to you because that just shuts everyone else out.

And so Sinclair and Nexstar and places like that are extremely powerful now because they're completely controlled by Trump and they'll do whatever he wants.

Radio Host

And again, not to get too deep in the weeds, although I'm always tempted to do the entire three hour show, Jim, on Hungary.

And what we're now, I think a lot more people are learning the word, urbanization

Jennifer Schulze

for Victor

Radio Host

Orban.

And I've only got a couple of seconds here, but I mean,

I think people are right to be concerned about government, not necessarily owning media, but having very friendly people in those ownership positions.

Jim Santel

Absolutely.

Very brief point.

There is still an antitrust division inside the Department of Justice that should be attacking the very monopolies, those things.

We used to do that.

We don't do that anymore under this administration.

Radio Host

That's right.

Jim Santel, you can hear him on Amicus Law Review Saturdays at 9.

You can get Indistinct Chatter from Jennifer Schulze on Substack and you can get Stop the Presses from Mark Jacob at Stop.

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Pat (Host)

Got another great day of programming here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

You heard Greg Bach earlier.

He and Jane Mattenair will have Mattenair on air.

Coming up at nine o'clock and their guest at 9.35 this morning is Congressman Mark Pocan.

And then they'll have Dan Schaefer from the Reconpopulation Area just after 10 a.m.

The Todd Alba Show can be heard from two to four this afternoon.

And at 2.30, Todd will be talking to Bill MacCoshan.

Now,

You and I would probably know Bill McCoschian best as the lobbyist, former chief of staff and campaign manager for Tommy Thompson.

He was later secretary of commerce.

No, Todd Alba is talking to Bill McCoschian today in his role as president and founder of the Jamesville Jets North American Hockey League team talking about their new arena and their home opener this weekend.

Jim Santel will be appearing with Maggie Dawn this afternoon at 4.05 and then at 5.05, talking to Noel Haverson of NeighborWorks in Green Bay about the housing crisis and homeowner programs to keep housing affordable and Nightlight with Peach Wawa at 7.30 tonight, Bar Band Friday with Terry Bar, all that coming up on the Civic Media Radio Network head over to civicmedia.us to learn more.

A few minutes more here with Jennifer Schulze and Jim Santel and Mark Jacob and I want to go to the comments here on

YouTube, this one from Adam, and then Mark will go to you on this one.

The administration is successfully finding ways to distract from the Epstein cover-up, no matter what, all conversations need to lead back to Epstein.

Now, I'm not going to subscribe to the notion that this entire Kimmel thing was like entirely an Epstein distraction, but it happens to be a very nice coincidence.

And I guess what I'm trying to do, Mark, is steer us back toward, I mean, not that this shouldn't

die down.

This is still an outrage, but we are careening toward another government shutdown.

We have the Epstein files out there.

We have farmers crops about to rot in the fields because China hasn't purchased anything yet.

And so somewhere along the line, we've got to do, we've got to juggle many plates at once and keep people focused on some of the things that are really going to impact them.

Mark Jacob

Right.

I mean, yes.

I mean, the real trick there, Pat, is that the Epstein files doesn't directly affect you unless you care about, you know, children getting sexually assaulted, which all of us should and do care about.

But I mean, but these kitchen table issues, the fact that prices are rising and the fact that, you know, the government may shut down.

I mean, these are.

really important things for people.

Truth is, everything's going in the wrong direction.

I mean, when you look at the public health and the vaccine rates and stuff like that, that's alarming.

People will die in coming years because of what RFK Junior did.

And so, yeah, there's a lot to be alarmed about.

But what we really ought to do is put it all under a big umbrella and say that everything's moving in the wrong direction because Donald Trump doesn't give a crap about anything but his own money and power.

And same thing with all the Republicans who are enabling him, and they've got to be stopped.

Pat (Host)

Jim, if we were focused elsewhere, one of the cases might be on the Epstein case, the way that Assistant Attorney General is at Todd Blanche, did not exactly put on a textbook case of how to deal with Epstein co-conspirator, co-offender, co-predator, Ghislaine Maxwell.

Jim Santel

He did a terrible job of interviewing her and again, he should not have been doing that first place but putting aside his incompetence Again, this is the deputy attorney general the second in command of the United States Department of Justice

Listen to what he said about the reasons why he did that.

He said the point in the interview was not for me to pressure test every single answer she gave, of course.

Well, if you really want to find the truth, that's what good investigations do, Mr. Deputy Attorney General.

You've been a lawyer for a long period of time.

You have no business being in that job if you don't understand how your own department works.

And then here's the big one.

The point of the interview was to allow her to speak, which nobody had done before.

Again, Mr.

Attorney General.

Constitution, she had a trial.

She has a right not to testify.

That was the forum in which she could have taken the stand and told America everything that happened here.

She had that forum and he again repeats this notion that the American people should have had a chance to determine whether she's credible or not.

There was that opportunity she chose.

constitutional right, not to pursue it.

And what are you doing now, providing this additional forum?

Are you going to go around as to every defendant who testified a trial, following which they were convicted, and say, you should have a forum.

Let's sit down and just have a free-willing discussion about things.

This is so absurd.

And again, it's coming not from someone

who may not know about this, this is the second in command of the United States Department of Justice.

It is horrifying, shocking, bewildering, and completely robbing him of his credibility.

Jim Santel's just getting

Pat (Host)

warmed up.

More preaching coming up on Amicus, a law review tomorrow at 9 a.m.

across the Civic Media Radio Network.

And Jennifer, I'm going to give you the last word to just to again remind people on any one of these things.

I think everything should start with if Joe Biden had.

And we can do forcing a conservative host off the air, the stuff that Trump said in London this week that got no coverage acting like a complete chucklehead.

Not to mention, you know, the Epstein case, but heaven forbiddy, he tripped on a sandbag and he, you know, now he needs to be committed.

I don't know how we got to this point, but I will never get tired of pointing that out to media figures that want to make a big deal about Joe Biden's foibles that don't seem to be doing the same thing right now.

Jennifer Schulze

Well, spinning off from what Mark said, I think the big picture is we are less safe and everything is more expensive.

And if you recall, those two things were big, big, big issues, particularly the more expensive throughout the Biden administration.

And I think if we could just put all of that under that umbrella and talk about it with some regularity, and frankly, people are feeling it.

Coffee is too expensive already.

The whole country drinks coffee.

I'm telling you, I think it's going to be the coffee that really makes this hit home for people.

Pat (Host)

I think so, too.

I mean, people know what their prices are and that whatever grace period existed for Trump on inflation, that is winding down rapidly.

Jennifer Schulze, Jim Santel, Mark Jacob, thank you so much as always.

It's always good to have you here.

Have a great weekend.

Good to

Jim Santel

be with

Pat (Host)

you, Pat.

Okay, well, I mean, they're the best.

We've got the best weekend review panel in the business here.

You can hear them every Friday in our 7am hour.

Dr. Kristen Lierly, she's the best too.

She'll be in here right after the 8 o'clock news.

I'd pack right low.

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Pat Kratlow

Hey, good morning.

It is 806.

It's nice to have you back here up north on a Friday morning, September 19th, 2025.

Parker Olson producing us down in Madison Studio A2 meteorologist Brittany Merleau is standing by.

So is Dr. Kristen Lyrely.

And so is our friend Kate Duffy from Motherhood for Good.

Talking about a big time diaper drive that you can be a part of and maximize your contribution.

All that is coming up before we go to

Brittany, I do want to welcome in Dr. Liarley and do so with a note from the text line from Jim in Brookfield.

Good morning, Pat.

I am now a member of the new knee club having had the replacement surgery on Wednesday.

I am icing and rehabbing.

Following Dr. Liarley's advice, it's good to have a doctor in the Civic Media House.

Again, from Jim in Brookfield.

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

Amazing.

Congratulations, Jim.

Hang in there.

It hurts.

or to give yourself grace?

Pat Kratlow

Well, and especially if I mean, the tough part here, like he says, I am rehabbing following Dr. Lirely's advice.

You know,

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

he didn't follow Dr.

Pat Kratlow

Lirely's advice.

He's doing my crutches in the background.

Your crutches doing back there.

That would be our favorite uncomplained patient, Dr. Lirely.

But you're getting there slowly, but surely.

more slowly.

Yeah, because of things like you're joining us now live from St.

Louis because you're you're at what a conference down there, right?

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

Yes, I'm at a conference for the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and we are learning about birth control and maternal mortality, how we can save more moms and just coming together and, you know, teaching each other and it's just great to be together, especially in this environment that is kind of

No, it's definitely anti-health.

The general culture feels very anti-health.

So to hang out with doctors and just, you know, re-center ourselves feels really good and important.

Pat Kratlow

Exactly.

So, all right, well, we'll hear more about that, but we're going to visit with Kate Duffy in a sec.

First, we got to get the Free Ticket Friday keyword out there and Brittany's forecast.

So for Free Ticket Friday, this is the last one.

So if you want to go see

the Brewers versus Cincinnati next Friday, 7.15.

Get on that Civic Media app and text us the keyword blue, like the color, B-L-U-E, before 9 a.m.

Then there will be more keywords throughout the day, more chances to enter.

One of those entries statewide will be drawn and win those tickets to next Friday's game.

So again, blue before 9 o'clock.

All right, now let's get to Brittany with a forecast for the weekend that is just splotchy.

It's just going to be a splotchy looking radar all weekend long.

You might get rain.

You might not.

And if you want a pinpoint forecast, uh, Brittany says, you know, tough beans.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

Brittany Merleau

It's not going to happen.

We're trying our best, but this system is big.

It's going to be slow moving across the state.

It is going to take up today, tomorrow into Sunday.

And another one wants to quickly sneak by on Monday and into Tuesday as well.

So we have a wet next few days.

Do not forget the umbrella or maybe toss the raincoat nearby.

You're going to want it because these are going to be on and off.

And then really ramping up at times where they do have the potential to drop some decent to heavy rainfall, widespread, I'm thinking expect a half an inch widespread.

But a lot of these thunderstorms could put down an inch.

So you could total up near two inches by the time this weekend is said and done, maybe more in places.

And then like that heavy rain, like I said, into early next week isn't going to help either.

So this system is moving in.

We've got two fronts sandwiching us in the state right now, more spotty showers south, more moderate rainfall, maybe some rumbles of thunder up north.

Temperatures are about 55 degrees to nearly 70 across the state.

And we're going to continue to see numerous showers through this afternoon, some thunder too, especially as we go into this evening and overnight.

So we're going to get a little bit of a harder hit.

Maybe a break tomorrow morning, but more showers spark in the afternoon and more storms, especially east all across the state.

Those tomorrow afternoon and evening and then Sunday might be the driest day.

Maybe hopefully fingers crossed,

Narrator

but

Brittany Merleau

then heavier rain moves in again Sunday night and into Monday.

Also Beach Hazard Statement, Lake Michigan Shores and in Douglas County.

Those waves are high and those temperatures in the mid sixties up north to about 80 degrees for highs today.

Tomorrow, mid-60s still up north, mid-70s down south.

We're gonna do the same thing on Sunday, and then we kind of flip-flop Monday with that rain trying to really hit the southeastern parts of the state pretty heavy.

I think the south, you're only gonna be about in the mid-60s, and then Monday north about 70.

So cooler, wet and windy.

Pat Kratlow

Alrighty, Brittany, thank you so much.

Hope you have a good weekend.

Brittany Merleau

You too.

Thanks.

Pat Kratlow

All right.

Let's bring in our friend Kate Duffy from Motherhood for Good and talk about the big give back as part of the Milwaukee diaper mission.

Kate, good morning.

How are you?

Kate Duffy

I'm good.

How are you guys?

I'm glad I was here for that segment.

I just texted my husband to grab the raincoat.

Pat Kratlow

I

Kate Duffy

would

Pat Kratlow

love to go to Oktoberfest in Chippewa Falls this weekend, but clearly, I don't want the dance floor to get wet, but we'll see how that shakes out.

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permission and the big give back.

And so Kate tell us what you and your motherhood for good friends are up to with the Milwaukee diaper mission.

Kate Duffy

Yeah, so we are raising money right now for Milwaukee diaper mission and for their annual big fundraiser called the give the big give back and it runs through this Sunday.

And so there's a few days left to get your donations in and there's lots of upsides to doing that.

So basically the Milwaukee day permission formed five years ago by Megan Johnson when she

was learning about everybody struggling with the cost of diapers and what happens when you can't afford diapers and the fact that Milwaukee didn't have a diaper basic needs bank.

There are some throughout the state, but there wasn't one in this area.

So she started Milwaukee diaper mission and they collect donations and diapers and work with many community partners like community centers and food banks to distribute them so that anybody on the ground in the communities who needs diapers

can get them because as we know parents especially parents of babies have so many things to be concerned about being able to afford diapers should not be one of them because they're very very expensive.

Most families it costs about a hundred dollars a month and you know if you're going through a tough time you can't you can't use snap or wick to buy them so it really is a need that's being filled here and so this is my second year fundraising with them with my

own fundraising page in the motherhood for good community.

So we're looking to get as many donations their way as we can.

Pat Kratlow

And Kristen, you've talked to and worked with enough new moms or moms to be that, yeah, people are familiar with things like, like, you know, food assistance and food banks, but there are all these other basic necessities, diapers high on that list that people sometimes have trouble affording as well.

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

Oh, Pat, I have four sons.

I've been there.

And it is

crazy that you can't use snap or wick to buy diapers.

What are you going to do without diapers?

Right?

I mean, come on.

So friends, please follow Kate, milwaukeedipermission.org.

Please pitch in these are families in need and these are absolutely basic essential necessary items.

Pat Kratlow

And there's also what a matching element?

Kate Duffy

Nuna is like a baby company.

They make car seats and all different types of things.

They have been a great partner for Milwaukee Dipermission and they are matching every dollar.

So their full goal is $50,000, which if they, Nuna is going to match every dollar.

So everything you donate, consider it doubled.

And then if you donate now through Sunday, everybody gets entered to win a signed Yanis jersey, which we love.

And then if you donate through the motherhood for good specific link, which you can find

find it on Instagram at motherhoodforgood if you put the link in bio.

You can be entered to win merchandise from our shop.

But no matter where you donate, if you find it, that is amazing.

The other thing is they also have drop spots around the city of Milwaukee.

Obviously, if you're not in Milwaukee, that wouldn't work.

But by donating money, it actually allows them to buy in bulk so they actually can get even more for the donations that they get.

Pat Kratlow

from YouTube, Tony up in Ashland.

First off, very happy to see Kate and Kristen together on the air here with us again.

And also says diapers are expensive.

He's got a new little tiny human there himself and says they try to use cloth diapers, but need the disposable ones for daycare.

It's something

Kate Duffy

where

Pat Kratlow

everybody has a need.

Kate Duffy

Well, and Milwaukee Dipermission also has a cloth program because they feel it's important to have dignity and have people have that choice if that's what they want to use.

But the daycare thing is,

That's important too.

Our newer daycare, I do have to drop diapers off.

And if some people can't afford them, they actually can't even bring their kids to daycare and then they miss out on work.

So it's a domino effect.

Can we talk

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

about how fun it is that Yanis and Mariah, his wife, are engaged with this organization and have really helped out over the years?

I think that really speaks to how important this is and just how dedicated they are to building community.

Kate Duffy

They're amazing.

I mean, they do so much for the state of Wisconsin and always give back.

And yeah, Mariah has been, well, both of them have been involved in this since the beginning.

They have actually, you know, I think they have four kids now, right?

And I think with the last few, they've actually had like, instead of a baby shower, they have like a public diaper fund baby shower.

And so it's amazing that they've been using their platform to highlight this.

Pat Kratlow

Yeah, well, without a doubt.

And again, milwaukeedipermission.org or head to motherhood4good on Instagram.

And if you get over to motherhood4good, the one observation you'll make that I'm going to make to Kate Duffy here is, girl, you're on fire.

I mean, the videos, they just come fast and furious.

And they're such plain English explainers of all the issues that are going on.

And so allow me to ask the question that you don't have an answer for.

Where'd you find time to do all this?

Kate Duffy

Well, I quit my job, you know, so I do have time and now my kids are back in school in daycare So I have if anybody is like, how does she do all that?

That's how I do it.

That's what I do during the day

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

Okay,

Kate Duffy

and so, you know, but and I will say there's no shortage of content.

There is a little bit going on Pat So there's lots to talk about

Pat Kratlow

Oh, there is.

I mean, from the breakdown of how schools are funded in the state to some of the national issues as well.

So you've got that outlet at Motherhood for Good.

Kristen, of course, you're making your own videos, fast and furious.

And there's also this show that you find some time to do on the weekends, right?

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

Yeah, the Dr. Kristen Lyerley show.

We're doing a spicy one this weekend too.

We're switching it up a little bit.

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

It

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

is spicy.

We're talking about the Charlie Kirk assassination and we're getting the perspective of some former Republicans and some folks who were not necessarily familiar with Charlie Kirk before all of this.

community discussion and it's what everybody's talking about these days.

So tune in.

Pat Kratlow

Yeah, you can hear the Dr. Kristen Lairley show Saturday and Sunday at 3pm on WISS in Oshkosh, Appleton.

That's at 98.3 and 96.5 FM.

And on Sundays in the Green Bay Area, Sundays 9am at WGBW 97.9 FM and 1590 AM for the Dr. Kristen Lairley show.

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

Kate,

Pat Kratlow

go

Dr. Kristen Lyerly

ahead, Kristen.

And wherever you get your podcasts

Pat Kratlow

podcasts.

Yes, podcasts are extremely important too.

And now Kate, you've I know you've done like a couple of like either podcast episodes, you've done some interviews, you know, through Instagram as well.

Is there any particular thing that people should be looking for with regularity or just keep keep coming over to that Instagram feed for all the latest that you're working on?

Kate Duffy

Subscribe to the sub stack.

That's where I have I wouldn't it's sort of a newsletter, but also just like deeper dives into things, although I'm trying to get more consistency.

And then yes, I am thinking about

I think I'm going to bring the the podcast back, which will also be available like on YouTube.

And I'm going to try for once a week.

I'm like always nervous about committing to things.

But yes, looking for more regularity for you all and myself.

Pat Kratlow

Okay.

And that again is that's at motherhoodforgood.substack.com.

Everybody's getting a sub stack.

Some use it better than others.

I haven't put up anything there for a year.

But I

Kate Duffy

get that you already have that you're writing and doing

Pat Kratlow

right.

I get the app here.

So I'm doing just fine.

Kate, it's great to see you again.

Thank you for all you do and for telling people about the Milwaukee diaper mission.

And again, either Milwaukee diaper mission dot org or go through motherhood for good and click on the links there.

Great talking to you, Kate.

Thank you so much.

Kate Duffy

You too.

Thanks for having me.

Have a good Friday.

Pat Kratlow

You bet and still ahead.

We're going to be talking to Mike Clemens talking about sports.

The Packers going to Cleveland for the weekend and the Brewers starting to wrap up the regular season.

I pack right low Europe north.

Pat

We've got Brewers baseball tonight against the St.

Louis Cardinals.

Coverage begins at 640 on stations at Richland Center.

Oshkosh, Racine Kenosha, Clark Falls or Hayward.

Or you could just ring up Kristen Lyrely because she's in St.

Louis right now.

Are you going to one of these games?

Kristen Lyerly

I'm going tomorrow night and I am like over the moon.

I'm going to be with a bunch of Cardinals fans and I'm going to be so obnoxious.

It's going to be a blast.

Pat

Of course you are.

Of course you are.

Hey, speaking of brewers, it is the last free ticket Friday.

So text blue to us before nine AM and you could be at the running for four tickets to see the brewers versus Cincinnati next.

Friday night, I'm going to be going to that series next weekend over at American Family Field.

So looking forward to that one too.

For our next topic, I believe Parker has queued up a musical introduction for where we're going to go next,

Parker

Parker.

Pat is lifting a glass.

It's a shot

Pat

glass.

It's a shot glass that I'm waving in the air like I just don't care because I don't get to use it.

It's not those kinds of shots, but it was it was a great visual prop.

Today is today's shot day.

Flu shot, COVID shot, and for the first time RSV.

So I get I get triple jabbed today.

And I say that first off, because y'all should be doing something like that too, depending on what is right for you.

But also because this is a bit of a melancholy day, you'll recall that sometime back, Robert Kennedy Jr.

just fired all the members of his vaccine advisory panel, put a bunch of other folks on, and this group is going to be engaged in some severe quackery today as they disregard

anything related to science and evidence.

And I believe one of the things they did yesterday, Kristen, was having to do with the MMR, measles, mumps, rubella vaccine, and the recommendation for parents.

And today they're going to say something equally dumb about the COVID vaccine, I'm sure.

Parker

Yeah, I think hepatitis B is also on the docket for these folks.

It just doesn't make any sense I don't know if you watch the testimony with Susan Manares She's

Kristen Lyerly

the

Parker

fired CDC director that is a Trump supporter and was promoted and appointed by RFK junior and then subsequently fired and he fired her because he wanted her to pass the recommendations of his committee without

looking at them, just rubber stamp them.

And she said, wait, I'm a doctor and I have an obligation to science.

I have to at least look at them.

And he said, nope, rubber stamp.

And there are certain people who need to be fired and I need you to fire them without questioning.

Thank you.

That's not what a leader does.

And to hear her testimony, how frustrated she was because she's on their side.

She believes in them.

So that's how

Off kilter we are right now.

This isn't about left versus right.

This is about

a very strange regime that has gotten into place and has a very clear agenda.

And it is an agenda that harms the public health and will kill thousands of Americans over the years.

Pat

Yeah, you heard her and another doctor testifying before congressional panel.

We played some of Senator Tammy Baldwin's Q&A with them on the program yesterday.

And the other member who was the chief medical officer of the CDC, Dr. Howrie,

talked about the rise in measles and that, you know, this is going to kill babies.

And all she wants to do is keep babies from dying.

And yet you've got this new regime that appears to not care about that.

Parker

And we're feeling it in Wisconsin.

Wisconsin, with regards to kids who are vaccinated, we're the second least vaccinated state when it comes to measles.

And I can tell you that up in Ocanto County, just north of Green Bay,

Things are brewing.

Last week, I think we had 36 cases of measles.

We're going to get new numbers today, but this is an incredibly contagious virus.

It can spread.

If somebody has measles and leaves the room and you walk into that room two days or two hours later, you can get measles.

So if you are not vaccinated, you are in danger.

And it is especially dangerous for young children.

I've heard a lot of people say, well, just get the disease and then get it over with.

Well, that is true for some people.

Some people will get the disease and get it over with, but it's not a comfortable disease.

And it ruins your immune system.

It makes you susceptible to many other diseases.

And up to 3 in 1,000 kids will actually die.

3 in 1,000 children will die from measles.

Kids will go blind.

They'll lose their hearing.

They'll develop brain infections that will affect them for the rest of their lives.

This is not a benign disease and it is not a disease that just comes and goes.

It has a huge impact on young children for the rest of.

their lives.

Pat

Yeah, I mean, we've we have cautioned previously against using Dr. Google.

We should we have caution as well against, you know, putting all your faith in, not a doctor Robert Kennedy Jr.

But that it is it is more difficult than ever for, you know, parents or anybody to find that that fact based information that works well for them.

But this this much I can say with certainty.

I don't care for politician is adhering to every fact based thing out there.

Don't get your health advice from a politician, whether it's a president, a cabinet secretary, whatever, especially like a podcast host or something.

Folks are listening to things that they just should not be listening to.

And then it's a small wonder that doctors that I know personally sometimes want to tear their hair out.

Talk to the people who've actually gone to med school and know that's that's all I can say.

to people.

Parker

You can get your health advice from this podcast host, me.

Yes.

The one who is a doctor.

Right.

The one who is a doctor.

Then ask questions.

You know, really, I mean, if you have health questions, send them to me.

Dr. Kristen Lyerle, I am on all of the socials.

Send me your questions.

I will personally respond, not giving you personal health advice, but just answering general questions.

there's a lot of mistrust and confusion about what's happening in the world right now.

And because public health has been so grossly undermined, it's hard for us to know what to trust anymore.

Can you trust the CDC?

Can you trust the online resources?

Who'd

Pat

have thought we'd be we'd be at that point catch the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show coming up this weekend.

I didn't even give her fun to any time to make fun of my shirt.

We'll just take care of that another time.

Bye, Kristen.

Kristen Lyerly

Enjoy St.

Pat

Louis.

Mike Clements is coming up next to talk about the Brewers in St.

Louis and the Packers against Cleveland next.

You're up north.

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Mike Clemens, how are you?

SPEAKER_01

Good morning, Pat.

SPEAKER_00

Good to see.

Good to hear from you, rather.

You're in Green Bay.

You're going to be heading to Cleveland before too long.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, we got practice today.

We got Matt Lofler and we're trying to get some more answers on what happened at practice yesterday, you know, we They let us in before the start of practice.

We get to see the warm-ups.

We get to see them do some drills a little bit of passing around

They put up these big tarpolines now and spent millions of dollars with the new convention center across the street.

They don't want anybody looking in.

I suppose if you're a kid with a model drone, you could take videos or something.

But the top secret stuff, because they're going to be working on game plan stuff, like second and third downs on a Thursday.

And so they kick us out.

So then it's like for the next two hours, you're kind of waiting around.

And then you get a little text like, OK, practice is wrapping up.

So you go downstairs and you stand outside the door.

They open it up and you go in here and you talk to these players.

And I'm talking to Isaiah McDuffie, the linebacker.

So what about this rookie tight end that Cleveland Browns have that you guys are going to have to cover on Sunday?

Number 44, Harold Fanon, Jr.

on a bowling green, like your sixth, seventh pick overall in the draft.

He set an NFL record, most receptions from quarterback Joe Flacco for an NFL tied in in their debut.

And I said, he almost had been like a Tucker Kraft year, right?

And he didn't even blink.

He said, yeah, no.

And he told me about this player in Hollywood Defend them and it was not.

And then after the locker room periods over with, they closed the doors.

The injury report comes out and it says Tucker Kraft.

Limited suffered a knee injury and ESPN jumps on her right away and their official sources tell them Yeah, Tucker Kraft went down the day of practice with the knee injuries being evaluated like

SPEAKER_00

oh

SPEAKER_01

No, oh No, and then about five o'clock NFL Network said yeah, well initial evaluations say they think he just may have tweaked it Not season ending, you know more tomorrow when the floor talks to you guys at 11 a.m.

SPEAKER_??

Oh

SPEAKER_01

So it doesn't sound like he'll be playing against the Cleveland Browns this weekend, but, you know, after there's still waiting for Christian Watson to come back.

Uh, and then Jaden Reed, you know, had surgery, broke his collarbone and that opening drive in the wind over the commanders.

Diving for that to, it would have been a touchdown pass.

Uh, so he had surgery for his broken collarbone and his stress fracture and his left foot, the Jones fracture.

And so, you know, then you're looking at Romeo Dobbs and Matthew Golden as your wide receiver targets.

And that's why Tucker Kraft was so favored in the last couple of games.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and he was he was living up to the expectations.

He was generating, you know, real excitement and so now you see this and the the thing with Jaden Reed and look, I mean injuries are part of sports.

It's just that some years you see more snake bit than others and Folks could be forgiven for wondering.

Well, are we are we entering that kind of snake bite territory?

Probably still too soon to say but

The lack of concern is not at 0%.

Should we put it that way?

SPEAKER_01

No.

So, yeah.

So, you know, the... So, in terms of backups, you know, I talked to you about this during training camp, like, after Tucker Kraft, who they really got a tight end, because Luke Musgrave, who was drafted at the same time as he was, he was not looking good at the start of camp.

Things have moved along, though.

And number 88 is doing a better job of running his routes.

and make a reception.

So this is his opportunity against an 0-2 Browns team to step up at that tight end position, make some receptions.

Also, there's a guy that they picked up from the Falcons last year, big guy, kind of built like Tucker Kraft, a John Fitzpatrick, who's now had a couple catches.

He seems to have passed Ben Sims, who they picked up from the Vikings last year.

So they've still got three more

tight ends on the roster to get them through, let's say if Tucker crafts out the next couple of weeks.

You know, it's been really quiet this week in Green Bay after all the hoopla with their, you know, their opening game against the Lions and then their prime time game against Washington.

It's kind of been like crickets this week.

And you know what?

I said, I was saying to somebody in the locker room yesterday as we're in our, you know, media time, I said, this'll all change next week.

Because we go to Dallas.

SPEAKER_00

I was just going to say that.

I'm like, it's tough to get excited for Cleveland.

But Dallas is next on the schedule the following Sunday.

That's a Sunday

SPEAKER_01

night game.

Oh, yeah.

Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones and all that.

So that's going to be a crazy week in the media.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, without a doubt.

I mean, you'll be able to hear the game on Civic Media and, of course, NBC will be.

plug in that thing like crazy.

But as for this coming Sunday, again, the Packers at Cleveland, the pregame coverage will begin at 10 o'clock Sunday morning on civic media stations in Richmond Center Park Falls, Racine and Watoma.

And Mike will be there in Cleveland following it all and reporting back throughout the course of the upcoming week here.

So let's move over to the Badger football team.

They will be opening up the Big 10 season versus Maryland on Saturday.

And so the pregame there begins at 9am on stations in

and Center, Amery, Wisconsin Rapids, and Ripon.

And I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer here, Mike, but much like we said about getting ready for a game in Cleveland, I'm not sensing a lot of excitement for a Badger Maryland game, even though it is the start of the Big Ten season, but the Badgers have been a little concerning looking, shall we say, especially the way they played against Alabama.

SPEAKER_01

I was just looking this morning, I think Maryland's actually favorite in this one.

The Maryland Terrapins, yeah, because they're 3-0.

Now, this is the first real, you know, test for both these teams.

Well, you know, last week was a test for the Badgers and the amount they were, they were never going to climb against Alabama down in Tuscaloosa, but they got blown out.

But anyway, yeah, the Badgers at home against the Maryland Terrapins who were 3-0, Badgers 2-1, as you say, they kick off at 11 a.m.

and you know looks like daniel neal still beat the at the starting quarterback after getting blown out you know last week early in the week a lot of fans you know we're commenting about like you know where's his program going and they're right i mean i'm not sure what the identity of what luke fickle plans to do with the the program and then people start saying is the guy going to be on the hot seat as they get into their big ten schedule that will really be his test how what will his record be now

coming up here in the middle of the season for his record in the Big Ten.

And, you know, does he get a shot at any kind of a bowl game?

And I think it's pretty much, since they gave him that extension, he's got like another year, two years to figure out what this is going to be to come up with some kind of identity.

No question.

Luke Fickle came to Madison at one of the most unique, is the best word you can think of, times.

in college coaching with this total change of the landscape with the NIL and the portal transfer.

But it would be a good time to really get two coordinators that you really believe in and understand, okay, what's going to work for us here in Madison?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, the point well taken on the time of transition with the transfer portal and the NIL deals.

But you also have the notion that

Luke fickle was gonna be given that you always have that first four-year grace period because you didn't recruit these kids and and and yet you're promising moon and stars like he's the guy that's gonna get him get him into shape and that's Not really developing yet.

So now you move on to the next phase of well, I guess we got to get through these four years and and then we'll really see what he's like but If the record isn't isn't good with the kids he was given it doesn't instill a lot of confidence that

You know, things are going to be really great in year five.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and, and when you bring up recruiting, I mean, if you got a four or five star kid and you want them to get into the NFL and on top of that, you want them to make money.

SPEAKER_00

Cause

SPEAKER_01

now they can, you know, used to worry about, can I get to a school that I can get into the NFL and then get drafted?

Now it's like, who's, what college is going to pay me the most?

And I ain't going to be the badgers right now.

So yeah, that's.

There's a lot that they've got to figure out with their program, not just what their playbook is, not just what their schemes are, but what their finances are.

SPEAKER_00

From Tony on YouTube up in Ashland, I've been a ficklebacker, but I also have no idea what they're building toward.

It's not that they don't have good players.

Indiana and Illinois have started from a much worse place, and they're ranked now.

Right.

Again, it's you can put some of that on the on the players, but boy There's a lot to be said about coaching.

You know, it doesn't matter if you recruited them or not It's you got to coach what you're giving you got to play the cards you don't Right

SPEAKER_01

and and you know that that Carmichael program down there too with with Indiana You know that guy comes in like a year.

So after fickle and look what he's done, you know,

SPEAKER_00

yeah, yeah

SPEAKER_01

amazing turn around down there

SPEAKER_00

All right, now let's turn to the Brewers who again are playing in St.

Louis.

Coverage begins tonight at 640.

They swept the Angels.

Their magic number is now four.

The Cubs, meanwhile, they lost.

They were almost no hit by a pitcher from Cincinnati yesterday.

That was really something to watch.

But let's address the

the controversy first.

Now, I'm going to put the controversy in quotes here because I'm listening to Pat Murphy reading this letter, you know, that he said was from from Bob Uker.

But there were there were clues in there when he's talked about like having the best road record in baseball or something.

And you hear that you go, Okay, he's, he's kind of conjuring up his ad libbing, right?

He's ad libbing.

And I guess some, some folks, I don't know.

didn't take kindly to it, or were they fooled by it?

I don't know.

How much blowback is there on Pat Murphy?

SPEAKER_01

So it's Saturday night.

And once again, the Brewers win a Thriller.

I think

SPEAKER_00

they have a team to come

SPEAKER_01

from behind win.

They win 9-8 in next three innings.

And then you're in the media auditorium waiting for Pat Murphy to come out and do his press conference.

And there's a bit of a wait.

And then you think, well, they just clinched a spot in the playoffs, at least somewhere in the playoffs.

They clinched that.

OK.

So maybe there's some kind of a celebration going on.

And he comes in all dry.

It's not like they're pouring champagne over each other or anything, or

SPEAKER_00

Gatorade or

SPEAKER_01

whatever.

And so about halfway through the press conference, asking about what happened in that game, he was asked, did you guys have a, you know, you just, you clinched the playoffs.

Did you have any kind of celebration?

Yeah, yeah, we did, yeah.

And he turns to the PR guy, he said, they videoed that, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, no, you guys will see it.

Now they stay shot video.

Oh, okay.

Well, you know, everybody else kind of went home and I'm like,

Well, I guess I'll keep looking for the website or Twitter or something.

And about two in the morning comes this thing that's, it's a video and they've dim the lights and instead of the bottles of champagne and the goggles, they've, they've dim the lights and they've got champagne glasses and they're going to have a little classy champagne toast.

SPEAKER_00

And

SPEAKER_01

he says, boys, I got a letter here from Bob Euker and Athanasio hands it to him and he reads it.

And it sounds just like Euker.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, howdy

SPEAKER_01

boys.

Yeah, I'm up there in this baseball team in heaven, and gee, you know, I'm the third catcher, albeit, and everybody laughs because it sounds just like Uker.

But at the point when he starts saying, hey, congratulations on best record on the road this year, and best this, best that, all right, well, obviously this isn't something Bob wrote before he passed.

So people start arguing about this back and forth.

He got a million tweets before Monday night, like two days later, the Brewers came out and said, yeah, okay.

Murphy wrote that.

It wasn't actually from Bob.

We probably should have been more clear about that.

SPEAKER_00

You know what?

SPEAKER_01

That was a whole weird séance,

SPEAKER_00

right?

It worked.

But it works.

The team is still hot and they've got St.

Louis coming up this weekend.

Mike Clemens, thank you so much.

Have a great weekend.

Travel safe.

Some final news and notes from Lake Wissota after this.

You're up north.

Pat Critello (Host)

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I'm going to.

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Pat Critello (Host)

now.

And you didn't even have to enter a contest to do it.

No, I've, uh, my, uh,

college buddy and I are going and we have used the civic media tickets and you know, bless him.

He's like that.

Those are great.

Thank you for doing that.

But I know I want I want to be able to do something nice too.

So he's he took care of the tickets for for next weekend's game.

So that'll be good to get together, which means if I'm going to go to the game next Saturday, it means I'm going to come pester you next Thursday and Friday and do the shows from down there.

in Madison and in beautiful palatial studio a two if and only if you call them the Orkin man and maybe get rid of that monstrous centipede thing that was crawling up your leg earlier.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

Yeah, I don't know if we actually said that on air or not.

If for listeners who aren't watching on the live stream, um, I did eventually see the little creator.

Uh, that was on my leg and it was like an inch long centipede looking thing

Pat Critello (Host)

and, um, you know, you made this like it was eight feet long.

It felt like it was eight feet long.

two hours ago during the history lesson, suddenly Greg Bacchinaise, Parker almost climbing up on his chair, shaking around.

He thought a spider was crawling up his leg and and then it crawled up again.

And then he later found the the offending critter.

And it was this centipede thing that is still loose in your studio somewhere, right?

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

Yeah, it's still loose.

I took a picture of it, though, because my generation would rather document a problem than fix a problem

Pat Critello (Host)

and actually solve

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

I

Pat Critello (Host)

keep expecting to see Luke Mathers in a hazmat suit with a giant flyswatter or a Louisville slugger to come after this thing.

Alicia's with you here.

She's got an emoji up there and says, yep, I'd have been screaming

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

if she was in there.

Actually, now that you mentioned the Louisville slugger, there is a bat in the office somewhere.

I think it's in the trafficking office.

Pat Critello (Host)

Okay, I hope you like the Louisville slugger because I think a real bat getting in there would put you over the edge if it's flapping around.

I don't want to think

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

about that, Pat.

Why would you put that?

Pat Critello (Host)

Did you have it at Whitewater?

Did you have bats that would sometimes get into off-campus housing or things like

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

that?

Because

Pat Critello (Host)

it was a regular thing where where somebody lived off campus older homes and there'd be a bat and there'd always be you know some some some buddies who'd come over to help you know the basically the damsel in distress Yeah, and you know the going right then was a case of you know a 12 pack of beer if if you needed somebody to come kill a bat for you kill Of course kill

Don't kill the bat.

Let it out.

Whatever.

Yes.

Let it out.

Look, we're up here.

Do we just catch and release our deer?

No, we kill them.

You don't.

That's how it works up here.

We hunt up here.

We go hunting for bats and centipedes and everything.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

But you eat the deer.

You can't eat the deer.

You don't eat the bat.

We know what happened

Pat Critello (Host)

last time.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

Somebody ate a bat.

Pat Critello (Host)

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

Well, it turns out he lived a pretty long life.

It's more albums, but that's that's a that's a

That's an Ozzy Osbourne story for another time.

So okay, so bats were not an issue by you there.

All right.

No, I don't think so.

No, that that that's fine.

That's totally okay.

We did spy records to see Tony notes.

Ozzy ate the bat.

He lived for a long time.

At least she says Parker is a tougher man.

This Navy vet won't mess with that.

So there you go.

You got one up.

You got one up on the Navy veteran when it comes to

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

there couldn't have been a lot of critters on your graphic carriers though, right?

Pat Critello (Host)

Oh, I wouldn't say that, you know, because you dock at different points and things get in.

And I mean, that's, that's how things get transported from one continent to the others.

They, they find just the way to find just the right way to hitch a ride.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

If anyone was listening anymore, they're gone now.

Pat Critello (Host)

Well, why would you say that?

I think we're talking

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

about critters and I want to

Pat Critello (Host)

leave.

Oh, well, Alicia responded.

Here it is.

Rats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Rats.

That's the thing.

I didn't want to say it, but I have so weirded out Parker today.

We really got it.

I'm so into something else here.

Uh, the, the something was the other thing that would get on the, on the ships.

Alicia says Navy sailors.

Well, yeah, there's that too.

Those are, there's some critters amongst them as well.

So I, I'm going into this weekend, uh, whimsical.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

Because

Pat Critello (Host)

we had plans originally with some friends, but they had to cancel.

There was an issue with a parent who's not in great health and everything.

And you've seen the weather forecast from Brittany.

I mean, it says hit or miss as it gets.

So we've just decided we have to just kind of play it loose.

I mean, especially with the weather, if the weather is nice, you know, we might go to Oktoberfest.

If the weather is really nice, we'll get on the boat.

one last time here we thought we don't we already done but we'll make it one more or if the weather's just iffy enough to go outside we'll get some yard work done I've noticed a lot more leaves have fallen in the past 24 hours yes they haven't really started coming down yet but they're they're making their appearance known

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

yeah there's

Pat Critello (Host)

one tree

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

that's come down a

Pat Critello (Host)

lot and who knows it might be a total washout and I'm just watching the the brewers and the badgers and the packers all weekend yeah we will see

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

That's

Pat Critello (Host)

okay.

Both of those are great.

But this is not like me.

We are, we are planners.

We are very much, I mean, I already told you where I'm going to be next weekend with you and with the baseball game and everything else.

I know where I am the couple of weekends after that.

And so we're, we're here.

It's, it's like that Saturday night live-skate where the teleprompter goes out.

And we're just like, um, what do we do?

I don't know.

What do you want to do?

I don't know.

What do you want to do?

There's going to be a lot of that tomorrow over coffee as we decide what it's going to be.

But that'll just give us something to talk about on Monday, which is what we do.

Yeah, we can't just do, we can't just do news and politics if we learned anything today.

Have fun with the Whitewater game and we'll talk to you on Monday.

Greg Bacchinaise, Parker (Co-Host)

You have a good time doing whatever it is you end up doing.

Pat Critello (Host)

Whatever it is.

Again, it's a weekend of whimsy.

We'll just see.

Up North News is the Wisconsin digital outlet for Courier, a pro-democracy news network building a more informed, engaged, and representative America.

I'm Pat Critello.

Enjoy your weekend of whimsy.

We'll see you Monday morning, 6 a.m.

here up north.

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Now, for my Lake WSOTA studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Craiglow.

Pat Craiglow

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 606 on this Wednesday morning, September 17, 2025.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake Wissota from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network, or perhaps by app or podcast or website or social media.

However you got here.

Glad you got here.

I got a question for you.

Did you did you notice the change in seasons recently?

Not fall.

No, not no, not the school year.

No, not football.

Campaign season.

We have not one, but two campaign announcements on this program to share with you this morning.

The first one is just a couple of minutes old.

state representative Francesca Hong making it official.

She is a candidate for Wisconsin governor and she will be joining us in the 8 30 half hour to talk about her run.

We will play her introductory video in just a bit.

We had to censor it first if you know anything about Francesca Hong.

She does not pull punches when she speaks.

How about that?

We will also be talking to Karine Hendrickson.

She is a now former childcare provider in the Nuclaris area.

And of course, she has been quite frustrated with the state of politics in our Wisconsin legislature when it comes to looking out for working families.

She made it official on this show that she would have to close up her child care center that it was just no longer something where she didn't want to lose money.

Nobody does want to.

And so she's had to close up her child care center.

And now she's ready for what's next.

And she has an announcement that she's going to be baking on our program this morning as well.

Campaign season for 2026 is definitely underway and we are one of the places where candidates stop on their way to 2026, so we hope you stick around and hear what Francesca Hong and Kareen Hendrickson have to say.

If you can't stick around for everything you can always pod the program head over to Spotify Sign up there or Apple wherever you get your podcast and that way you have us on demand wherever you go also coming up on the program today We have our homeroom segment.

We will be talking to brain Horton from the Wisconsin public education network about what else is happening in the state capital along the lines of education, you know, the state budget's done, but there's all kinds of bills that legislators have been introducing that could affect

the way that your kids get an education.

Some could be helpful, some could be meh, some could be just

downright annoying or nuisance or even harmful to public education, undermining public education.

So, Bryn Horton will talk to us about that in our 7.30, half hour.

And of course, it's Wednesday, so we have no shortage of civic media friends to visit with as well to tell us what's going on.

And in their respective necks of the woods, there's James Kelly reporting from Chippewa Falls.

There's Earl Ingram in Milwaukee, Jimmy Koska in Boscobel looking at sports and news in Southwest Wisconsin.

And Melissa

K from our sister station in Wisconsin Rapids on Parker Olson, producer of this program, what is National Pet Bird Day?

Yeah, we're hoping for a big update on Lelu here.

Yes.

Parker (Producer)

That's fantastic.

Pat Craiglow

Who knew that's

Parker (Producer)

a pet bird day?

That's

Pat Craiglow

so

Parker (Producer)

specific.

Pat Craiglow

If we've learned nothing from our history segment, a daily history lesson is that there is a day for everything.

And I don't even read them all because there's so many of them.

I mean, there could be national night retro bar coaster day as I hold up a coaster that I don't know where we got this back in the 1980s.

But it's

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those are cool.

That will go

Pat Craiglow

around.

Got to put your coffee cup on something now and then.

So yeah, it's pet bird day.

There's a there's a day for everything.

Here's what there's not a day for.

Publishers Clearinghouse and the prize patrol, bringing a great big oversized check to your door and promising that you're going to get so many thousands of dollars for life.

So many people have believed this over the years.

The look I'm getting from Parker tells me the prize patrol is not a thing.

Correct?

Right over my head.

Not a clue.

Well, that's because this was run by Publisher Clearinghouse, which is a magazine sales company.

Parker (Producer)

Okay.

Pat Craiglow

When was the last time you subscribed to a magazine?

I'm sorry, let me restate the question.

Have you ever subscribed to a paper magazine that was delivered to you in the mail and that you sat leisurely and flipped through?

Hard no on that

Parker (Producer)

one.

Yeah.

Pat Craiglow

No, because you already have that with you right there.

Here it is.

It's that little phone, that little device that can bring up anything from anywhere.

So basically every magazine is now a website or an app or social media posts.

And so publishers Clearinghouse, which for years was, you know,

The place where you would get your magazine subscriptions.

They'd send you this mail.

I'm explaining this to Parker, but don't don't you're like what's he gonna?

Yes.

Yes, they would send you it's important once a year.

They'd send you this this and big envelope all filled with all kinds of flyers about all the money you could win and all the great deals on magazines you could get TV guide TV guide Newsweek and time and sports illustrated and popular mechanics and then there'd be the sheet with all these stamps on it

each one with a different magazine cover.

And kind of like we talked about with Columbia house with the records, you know, using using the mail was like how you did all this stuff Parker back in the day before there was e mail when it wasn't electronic when it was like a stamp, put it on the card, mail it in you get your discounted sports illustrated just in time for the swimsuit issue.

But you're also entered for the possibility that the price patrol could show up.

And as they took great pains to say, you didn't even have to buy a magazine.

You just had to send the envelope back and you were entered into the sweepstakes.

And then of course, you know, you'd get a knock on your door.

Well, you wouldn't.

It never happened to me.

But, you know, there would be, you know, somebody there with a great big check and TV cameras and balloons and everything else all set to.

give you money, which included sometimes rather than one big check, they would be so much, you know, per life, like $5,000 a month for the rest of your life, which again, it's not that you'd necessarily retire on it.

But that's a pretty nice thing to have along, you

Parker (Producer)

know, people actually win this, or was this just something

Pat Craiglow

they said?

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Which gets us to today's story.

Publishers Claringhouse is no more.

Parker (Producer)

Oh,

Pat Craiglow

it is.

It has gone bankrupt.

I wonder why.

And now we do know why.

But you know, who else really wonders about this?

All the people who were promised cash for life and are now shocked to find out.

Oh, that promise is being broken.

Yeah.

So the remnants of publishers Clearinghouse went through its bankruptcy process.

And some other company bought it, a company called

ARB and ARB says well we still want like the direct mail part of the company and the online parts of the company but we're not buying the part of the company that's responsible for making payouts.

So that part is still bankrupt and the people who are promised forever checks are not going to get them.

In their chapter 11 filing, publishers Clearinghouse listed at least 10 prize winners among its creditors with the largest unsecured claims, totaling millions of dollars.

One man who won $5,000 a week forever back in 2012, told the New York Times, he knew something was funny when he didn't get his annual check from the company back in January.

So he has had to scramble to pay the bills.

Without the money that he has learned to rely on for the past 13 years And it's running out CNN has a story about somebody who's had to sell all of their all their toys their jet skis and their boats And he said I haven't worked in 10 years.

I have to go to work now and he has no marketable skills

Parker (Producer)

Yeah

Pat Craiglow

to get into the job market.

Parker (Producer)

Well, if he had a bunch of boats, maybe he could start like doing boat tours

Pat Craiglow

do a marina or something, but he's got he's got nothing to gas up the boats with.

So that this all dates back to 1953, when a couple Harold and Lou Esther Mertz and their daughter Joyce formed a business out of their home in Long Island to send direct to consumer mailings that solicited subscribers for a number of magazines and then they would get a little cut of each magazine subscription.

And it grew and it grew and they started doing these contests in 1967 and all throughout the 70s 80s and into the 90s.

I mean, everybody would buy their even if they don't just wanted to renew one magazine or something.

And they'd always hope that maybe this was in the years of course before multi-state lotteries and billion dollar jackpots.

And you just hoped that lightning would strike and you know, Ed McMahon or somebody would be at your door.

to give you the big check and money for life unless people stop buying magazines and we ain't got no more money to pay you with.

Parker (Producer)

I assume that inflation happened quite a bit during the time of them doing this.

Oh, sure.

Yeah.

Did they start with because he said it was like the 50s.

Did they start with like, here's a dollar a week.

Pat Craiglow

Well, they started they started in the 50s.

The contest started in 1967, which tells me that I mean, that was the heyday for magazines.

I mean, everybody had magazine subscriptions and newspaper subscriptions.

And I Oh,

Parker (Producer)

boy, he's behind.

He's looking behind himself.

He's reaching to the floor for our listeners at home.

And now he has something.

Pat Craiglow

I still get a paper copy of the Atlantic, Atlantic Monthly.

Of course, I picked one that has a nuclear explosion.

I was going to say, is

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that

Pat Craiglow

a bomb?

Yeah, well, it's marking 80 years of the nuclear era and how scary

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it is to have- There wasn't a better one to

Pat Craiglow

grab?

Yeah, to still get it.

Although, by and large, when I see interesting articles from the Atlantic, I'm going to go to their app.

Yeah,

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read

Pat Craiglow

it on my phone.

But there was just that part of me.

It's like, you know, I feel like I got to have some and frankly, I do sometimes when we travel or whatnot, it's, you know, when you got to put your phone in airplane mode, it's nice to have that to look at.

But no, people don't anymore.

So yeah, by the 60s, they, they had enough money that they could set up a contest figured interest rates would grow up so their savings would go up so there'd always be something to pay out until it didn't happen anymore from Tony on YouTube.

I used to subscribe to the international version of Newsweek.

Now they don't make any version of a physical magazine.

No, they do not.

You still see them in the bookstores.

If you go to what's its face, Barnes & Noble.

I mean, the racks are full of these magazines.

I don't know who's buying them.

They're very specialty based.

Parker (Producer)

Probably dentist's office.

Pat Craiglow

That's the only place I can think of.

Somebody's got to be buying them, right?

So anyway, I'm sorry if I'm the bearer of bad news for folks, but if you were counting on your publisher's clearinghouse money to keep you going, I might suggest going to get a physical newspaper and looking through the want ads because it's time to find some work.

Let's check some sports now at 618.

Christian Yelich hit home run number 29 and had three RBIs.

All-star pitcher Freddie Peralta struck out 10 over six innings.

He won his national league leading 17th game as the Brewers beat up on the Los Angeles Angels 9-2 last night.

Freddie Peralta looked good.

He allowed one run on just two hits.

He walked only two.

He struck out the side in three different innings.

William Contreras had two RBI's, there were other key swings by Sal Freelick, Caleb Durbin, Andrew Vaughn, and Jackson Churrio.

Brandon Woodruff will get the start in tonight's game two, and you can catch that at, I believe, 6-0-5.

Yes, right there, 6-0-5.

Pre-game of the Brewers versus the Angels on stations across the Civic Radio Network.

I predict another wind Parker.

I think, I think we're looking good.

The magic numbers now it's Cubs one, but the magic number drops to seven.

Parker (Producer)

Is your elbow, does it have a little twinge of wind in it?

Pat Craiglow

a little bit.

Yeah, that's what the bursitis is telling me.

This is this is what we're going to get today.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, we will talk a bit about monopoly money and inflation and corporate America and what they all have in common coming up next from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota.

Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pac right.

Well, this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crightlow

The Milwaukee Brewers were winners yesterday over the Los Angeles Angels.

Nine to two was the final.

Brandon Woodruff looked good, pitched five innings, gave up only two hits and one run, nine strikeouts.

Sal Freelick hit a three run homer.

Blake Perkins had a career high five RBIs and the two teams will face off one more time.

The third and final game of the series is this evening.

at American Family Field 605.

The pregame coverage begins on several civic media radio stations.

Well, I've made it this long, but we couldn't resist our stay away from the trouble.

I mean, the seriously constitutional trouble that is Congressman Derek Van Orden.

And I really have to tip my cap to my old colleagues at WEAU, channel 13 in Eau Claire.

because I have picked on them, I have picked on channels 18 and 19 and Eau Claire and LaCrosse, I have picked on WKBT channel 8 for their coverage of Derek Van Orden, which has been over the past two plus years pretty soft.

when it comes to just covering you know when he when he shows up on a farm and tours the farm and gets to talk about how you know i'm just here fighting for the farmers when there's nothing in his record that indicates that and there's been very little said about his belligerence uh and frankly conduct unbecoming a congressman but he has definitely crossed the line and i'm very happy that the folks at channel 13 took note of that and

reached out to the congressman to talk about all of the threats that he's been making on social media and celebrating the times that people have been fired and threatening to defund places, including cities like Eau Claire in his district, because he does not like how people have expressed themselves over the Charlie Kirk murder, which by the way, they have a right to do.

unless you're Derek Van Orden, who has taken a U.S.

law, a federal law about domestic terrorism, and he now views it through the prism of saying anything critical about Charlie Kirk, or frankly, Republicans or the president equates with domestic terrorism.

You don't believe me?

Give a listen to this bit of an excerpt from the WEAU13 news report talking to Derek Van Orden and trying to start by asking him about all these posts from people who were expressing opinions, but that in and of itself is not threatening language.

That is not domestic terrorism, but listen to how condescending Derek Van Orden gets with the reporter about that.

WEAU Reporter

We asked the congressman about these posts saying they don't seem to be calling for violence.

Here's what he said.

Derek Van Orden

I'm going to say this one more time.

If you look up the US code and read it, it is crystal clear that what they are saying falls under this US statute.

So it's a little frustrating when I have clearly intelligent people like yourself who can read.

that you don't do your homework before you conduct this

Pat Crightlow

interview?

That was a congressman saying that.

Now, I'm not surprised, but I hope a few people are that have finally heard that this is how this guy actually talks.

This is how this guy actually acts.

Now, let me take care of the personal part first, the jackassery that is Derek Van Orden, when he says, you know, clearly intelligent people like yourself who you can read, but you don't do your homework.

I mean, apart from that,

being a jerk move.

The premise on which he bases those insults is completely flawed.

And of course, note how he can't defend it.

He just says, Well, if you read the code, it is crystal clear that what they're saying falls under the statute.

And the reporters ask him again and again, to connect the dots.

What is it about this language in this statute that indicates that this is somehow against the law that this is somehow threatening behavior that this is somehow

you know, providing resources for terrorist acts rather than a mere expression of opinion.

And he can't do it.

He can't do it.

He's asked repeatedly, and if you go to another clip of the interview where Bob Gallagher is trying to get him to clarify his statement, he just talks over about, again, this is part of the Ron Johnson, Donald Trump, JD Van School, is you just talk over the person so much that they finally give up trying to ask the question.

But they don't answer the question.

They know the question that's being asked of them.

Prove that this is somehow actual threatening behavior, much less domestic terrorism.

And they can't do it.

But they've got power right now.

And they're using it.

Again, when Derek Van Orden uses social media to insult and belittle people, well, that just makes him a jerk.

But he's a member of Congress.

He's part of the government.

The First Amendment says the government shall not infringe on the freedom of speech.

But that's what he, as part of the government, wants to do, and he does not like being called out for it.

But he's got the power.

And it's a sense of power that's only going to grow.

It's an ego that's only going to grow.

It's condescension that's only going to grow with the news that yesterday ABC capitulated, surrendered, coutowed, bent the knee, and pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air.

By the way, not for something he said.

Do not fool yourself into thinking that ABC pulled him for the specific thing that they say that he said.

Now, we could talk about the remark.

I'm not going to.

You go look at the remark and you look in there and you see, again, what is it that is so over the line that it's worth even a day's suspension, much less being pulled off the network indefinitely.

It's not about what Jimmy Kimmel said.

It's what Brendan Carr, the head of the FCC,

a Donald Trump loyalist said in threatening ABC and prior to that, threatening CBS and prior to that, threatening other media.

The head of the FCC, which licenses broadcast stations right now, is not in any way, shape, or form independent or looking out for the freedom of broadcasters and their First Amendment rights to share expressions in the arena of ideas.

Brennan Carr, Donald Trump, JD Vance, Derek Van Orden, and others are in the business right now of trying to silence critics through intimidation, through prosecution, through fear, and through falsehoods.

And corporate America just gave up again with another late night comic.

And they're not going to stop there until more people, including the people at some of these corporations, finally begin pushing back and standing up for themselves.

and for our Constitution.

I'm Pat Crightlow, Europe North.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Tomorrow, of course, we'll have our regular weekend review panel with former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Scholesi, Courier newsrooms Kia Vacchial, Dr. Kristen Lyerle, Mike Clemens with Sports, Brittany Merleau's weekend forecast.

Just a lot to tune into tomorrow.

If you can't stick around, then put us on a podcast.

Head over to Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, and be sure you follow Mornings with Pat Krightlow powered by UpNorth News here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Today, a federal committee that recommends vaccine policy for Americans is going to start meeting to review immunizations that have been in use for a very long time.

It's called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, ACIP.

And it's expected to vote on shots for COVID and hepatitis B as well as others.

And of course, as we've talked about, the Health Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.

has frequently baselessly questioned the safety of these vaccines.

And yesterday, you'll recall, we played a clip from Senator Tammy Baldwin talking to Susan Menares, who was ousted as head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after less than a month, because Menares says Kennedy directed her to commit in advance to approving everything this ACIP board is about to recommend, regardless of the scientific evidence.

With this ongoing campaign trying to undermine public faith and vaccines, it's worth going back to basics and finding out just what vaccines are, what it is that makes them work the way that they do.

And that fits right in the wheelhouse of pediatrician Dr. Kelly Snooks, who is beginning a new video series for Up North News called Raising Wisconsin.

And her latest installment, which was posted yesterday, talks all about vaccines.

We're going to give a listen to that before we talk live with Dr. Kelly Snooks.

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Hey Wisconsinites, have you ever wondered exactly what's happening inside your body after you get a vaccine?

Like how is it working to protect you?

I'm Dr. Kelly Stokes, board certified pediatrician and you're here with this week's Raising Wisconsin.

Now let's talk about how vaccines actually work.

The vaccines we get today protect us against so many viruses and bacteria.

And each vaccine contains what we call an antigen for the disease that it's meant to protect you against.

It might be a weakened or killed part of that germ or even a tiny piece of its genetic material.

These antigens essentially mimic the illness and they sound an alarm to your body's immune system.

Your immune system creates what we call antibodies against that particular virus or bacteria.

That way, the next time your body encounters the actual illness, it's like, wait a minute, I know what to do with this.

Then the antibodies that you've stored up, thanks to that vaccine, spring into action and prevent that virus or bacteria from making you severely ill.

It's your body's way of building a powerful defense without having to get really sick first.

Pat Crightlow (host)

That again is Dr. Kelly Snooks who joins us now to talk about the Raising in Wisconsin series she's doing for Up North News.

Dr. Snooks, good morning, how are you?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Good morning Pat.

Thanks for having me on well.

How are you?

Pat Crightlow (host)

Well, thank you very much So nice to have you here and have you doing this series for us?

We're gonna talk much more generally about the series but with vaccines in the news lately I just wanted to check Certainly with my wife being a physician.

I'm imagining that you like her have probably had that

basic vaccines 101 conversation more so recently, maybe then in years past, I mean, it's always been a thing helping parents understand vaccines.

But understanding how vaccines work seems to be much more in the public consciousness these days.

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, you know, I think there has been a lot of discussion about vaccines lately, as we've seen with what's going on today.

And

I think that people are starting to get a lot of information and misinformation and really starting to question what is real and what is not.

So these conversations about how vaccines work, what do they actually protect us against have become far more common now than they were when I was even just doing general pediatrics during my residency training.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And yes, obviously it's part of the world that we live in now.

There's a lot more information, therefore misinformation.

And even if it's not misinformation, again, I think every doctor winces when a patient comes in and they got a referral from Dr. Google.

And Dr. Google said, here's what you have.

And then you have to maybe explain that that may not necessarily be the case.

So let's be sympathetic to the patients there.

We're surrounded by more information than ever before.

So what kind of guidelines do you like to offer your own patients when it comes to what they read and hear versus what they could hear through a visit to your office?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, you know, I think there's reassurance right that like you had said, there's so much information at their fingertips and they're not wrong to be concerned and look up this information to try and help them understand things a little bit better.

I think when it comes to having those conversations with patients, you know, we in medical school go through so much training on how to actually understand what

Studies have been gone through rigorous testing.

What is some of the evidence that actually works to show that these treatments or vaccines, for example, are safe versus those that are maybe not as safe?

Or what studies are out there that are the ones that people are getting a hold of and being concerned about that actually those studies are not as rigorous or actually have some really big flaws to them?

So I think it's just that reassurance that

you're okay to look this stuff up, but let's kind of go over what is the actual evidence behind these treatments or recommendations that we're giving you.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yeah, exactly.

And go through it together.

Go through the information because, and this is the awkward part to bring up, but it certainly reminds us of the early months of the pandemic.

Science researchers doctors, they're not infallible.

And as we learned early on in the COVID pandemic, there were still we were still learning our way through that.

But that's not the same as being uninformed.

It's simply taking you where the science takes you to next.

And so less listeners are saying, Oh, there goes another physician and another physician spouse with some kind of a, you know, superiority complex or whatever.

No, there there's still things we don't know out there.

But the alternative is not to just go based on innuendos and rumors and things like that, right?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Right, you know, one of the things that I think we call ourselves in medicine is lifelong learners because medicine is constantly evolving.

But the reason that it's evolving is because, you know, science has advanced so much over the past couple of centuries.

And I actually talked about that in one of my past videos.

But the way that science is evolving, the way that these studies are going on, you know, we are also learning and our recommendations might be changing because of new evidence that we have learned from.

new studies or new treatments that are out there.

Pat Crightlow (host)

We're talking to Dr. Kelly Snook.

She's a pediatrician and is doing a video series for Up North News called Raising Wisconsin, which leads to this question.

Doctors are busy people.

You guys have been studying forever.

You've worked in these long days and now you're doing a video series and you've been making videos on the internet for some time now.

You're not the only doctor doing it, but can you talk to us about why you decided to get onto social media to start bringing these information to folks when you could have just sat in an office with a clipboard all day, but you've decided to be more proactive.

What motivated you?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, you know, I think social media is a tool that you realize that you can reach so many people.

I am a pediatric intensive care unit doctor, so I am seeing

really sick kids and a lot of what I'm seeing is actually preventable.

So one of the first ways that I took to social media was actually for gun violence prevention because of what I was seeing at the bedside and I think social media is one of those unique tools that can bring people together to connect but then also has this reach that you can't even imagine like how far your videos are actually going and being seen.

And I think it's another way for us to just spread information and awareness about what is going on in the world, what's going on in public health, and as a pediatrician, public health and almost all these policy changes actually impact child health in a way that I don't think people can maybe understand or see.

So it's my goal to kind of break that down and say, hey, here's what's actually going on, and here's how this can actually impact children.

Pat Crightlow (host)

What kinds of things would you like to emphasize in the Raising Wisconsin series, things that either you've already done to start the series or things that you hope to do in the near future?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, so things that we've already done.

So we have a few videos that are already out.

One is just about like traveling safe during the summer, you know, people are hitting the road, they are flying, airplanes are full of germs.

So how do you stay safe when you're flying?

And then also the history of vaccines is another one that's been out there.

where good vaccines come from in the first place.

We go through the details of the overlap between the cowpox virus and the smallpox virus back from the 1700s.

So we go into detail on that.

And then the one that you had just recently played about how vaccines actually work.

It's not going to be all about vaccines.

We're also going to cover other topics as well.

Seasonal allergies will be coming up, how to stay safe.

in the car as far as car seats and safety go, bug bites, things along those lines.

So everything from general health and wellness about children.

to some of the stuff that's going on.

And I would like to know what other people want to see too, really addressing viewers' comments too, to try and get on those topics.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yeah, that's been a real focus of the videos is inviting people to share their own questions that can be addressed later on in the series.

Dr. Kelly Snooks is with us.

Tell us a bit about your own background and what where you grew up, what led you to become a physician and go to med school.

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, so I am originally from the South Side of Chicago You know grew up a little girl that I think just was you know that basic I think I want to be a doctor when I grow up and I stuck with it.

I Chose pediatrics and did my pediatrics training on the South Side of Chicago because you know Children really don't have that much impact on their health in the future a lot of the decisions that we make as an adult impact how they end up

in the future.

And I think that as a pediatrician, we have that unique ability to advocate for our patients to ensure that they can live healthy and fulfilling lives in the future.

So that's why I chose Pediatrics and went through that.

I did medical school in my Pediatrics training in Chicago and then came up here to Milwaukee for my ICU training and have been here ever since.

So yeah, that's why I kind of want that route.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And in working as a pediatrician, you talk about the things that you've seen in the ICU and so many times they are preventable.

And we did, again, share some of the audio from people who, including the former chief medical officer of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Howrie.

And the soundbite concluded talking about, you know,

how many more children are getting the measles and sometimes getting complications and sometimes dying unnecessarily and that we're seeing that uptick.

And we're in a state here in Wisconsin, which I think would shock a lot of people that when it comes to measles immunizations heading into kindergarten, our rate is low enough now that it doesn't meet the standard for what's called herd immunity.

So can you talk a bit about just measles and kids and getting up to date on those vaccinations and the danger if that that

vaccination rate sinks as low as it has in Wisconsin?

Dr. Kelly Snooks

Yeah, so I mean, I think since the time that I've been in Wisconsin or in Milwaukee, and that's since 2018, you know, we've had already two measles outbreaks.

And like you said, our vaccination rates are really low in Milwaukee, below that herd immunity.

Basically, that herd immunity rate is that enough people are protected against measles, that if one individual were to get the measles, the rest of the community is protected enough that we will likely be able to

overcome that and we won't see a large outbreak.

Measles can be very scary when children get it.

It can cause you know brain damage and ultimately death from that measles virus and that's why we emphasize so much those kindergartners you know and actually even younger you get it at one year to start getting that measles mumps and rubella vaccine to protect themselves against these severe illnesses that they

to those that are even younger.

So if you think about the children that are under one that haven't been immunized yet against the measles, mumps, and rubella, those individuals are even more so at risk because when we don't have that herd immunity, then they also don't even have the chance to get themselves vaccinated yet.

There are some unique circumstances, so I recommend everybody talking to their pediatrician about that if you're under a year old and want to get your child vaccinated against the measles.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Absolutely.

And again, for more, you can check out the Raising Wisconsin video series on the Up North News social media feeds and send in your questions as well that Dr. Kelly Snooks can use for a future video installment.

Kelly, it's great to talk to you again.

Thank you so much for all you do.

Have a wonderful day.

Thank you so much for having you as well.

All right, good to have you here.

Coming up in our next hour, we will talk to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.

And what does it really mean that the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates a little bit yesterday as the economy sits on the verge of stagflation?

Plus, Joseph Pecky and more.

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Let's talk about your money and the markets after the opening bell here with Sean O'Malley and the that that ever 11 stagflation that appears to be hanging on.

I mean, you're you've got the Fed cutting interest rates a quarter point.

But I mean, nothing in there.

says to me, well, that should take care of inflation, you know, and you've got a sluggish job market.

I sense a lot of treading water still.

Sean O'Malley

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing, Pat.

They're trying to not make any sudden moves.

I mean, I think part of it is they're probably a little bit afraid of doing what they did back in 2022, where they kept raising rates.

And far further than anyone expected them to and far more aggressively and they really overshot the mark then so they're trying to take a more measured response at this time Certainly, you know, they're making the administration the current administration happy with that move But yeah, it's it's sort of a placate to the soft employment market

Without too much of a raise in rates so that you're going to make inflation even worse than it already is so there are a lot of factors in play But we know that we're everyone is looking and expecting an overall softer economy going forward

Pat (host)

Well, especially when you've got the like we like to say the on the one hand inflation on the other hand You know employment and now you've got this while you've got things in both hands.

You've got the third thing is political pressure

You know, punching you in the gut while you're looking at the things in your two hands here.

So, I mean, it's not an easy time to try to actually manage the economy.

Sean O'Malley

Very true.

Although some would describe that target as a little lower than the gut, but yes.

Pat (host)

Yes.

Yes.

I try to make these things radio friendly where I can.

And fine.

Let's conclude with the tariff watch, the tax tally.

Tariff tax is on the American consumer.

And what's the tote board looking like?

Sean O'Malley

Yeah, this is going to be a new segment that I want to do monthly.

So we'll keep track of how much we as consumers have had to pay in additional taxes through the tariffs.

So this is going to be the Tariff Watch Tax Tally.

Lots of alliteration there to make it easy to remember.

So the Tariff Watch Tax Tally as of the end of August is $183.6 billion.

So

Pat (host)

that's without a farm

Sean O'Malley

bailout.

That's well, that's without the farm bailout if you include the farm bailout Most of the experts are saying you're gonna need at least double that

Pat (host)

so

Sean O'Malley

You know, we're we're are we winning yet?

Pat (host)

We're just I don't believe we're

Sean O'Malley

screwing over every trading partner.

We've got

a lot of our allies in making ourselves obsolete in the process.

And I'm just wondering what's going to happen in the future when you try to reestablish commerce with a lot of these trading partners that have

now

Pat (host)

since moved on, moved on.

And even if they come back, they'll be the mistrust.

And I know we talked about it last week in conclusion.

But it really sticks with me as you drive around here, you drive around and you see cornfields, but you see a lot of soybean fields and those those soybeans.

I mean, it's looking good.

It's looking good until they're either left rotting in the field or piling up and rotting because I believe the tote board for China ordering soybeans is does that tote board still read zero as far as we know?

Sean O'Malley

It's still a read zero, Pat.

That's correct.

Pat (host)

And

Sean O'Malley

remember, you, yeah, you've got to consider that they are the world.

biggest buyer of soybeans.

But they have decided, and I'm sure this is supported by, you know, President Xi Jinping of China, that they're not going to order a single soybean from the US, which seems to be what's happening.

And they ordered everything from Brazil instead.

And I know exactly what you're talking about with respect to those fields.

I drive, you know, past them between the two houses, I see tons of corn out there.

I see tons of soybeans.

And nothing has been harvested yet.

And I'm wondering, will it?

I'm wondering,

Pat (host)

speaking

Sean O'Malley

of

Pat (host)

Brazil, maybe we could could we import their Supreme Court?

Sean O'Malley

Well, I think we should enter negotiations to trade for that.

Certainly

Pat (host)

a

Sean O'Malley

Supreme Court with a backbone

Pat (host)

willing to

Sean O'Malley

uphold the rule of law.

What a novel concept.

Pat (host)

That could

Sean O'Malley

be something that we could consider.

Pat (host)

Yeah, against the former president trying to stage a coup.

Boy, a Supreme Court exchange would be grand.

Sean O'Malley, Finance and Economics expert joining us on Thursday morning.

Thank you, Sean.

Appreciate it.

Have a great day.

Sean O'Malley

Thanks, Pat.

Take

Pat (host)

care.

All right.

Yep.

Good to see you.

It is 840 right now and we'll talk more about the state of, well, geopolitics, media politics, whatever you want to call it with.

Joe's pecky.

Joe, I think I finally learned my lesson.

I'm no longer gonna ask, how are you?

I keep looking for the perfect answer to how are you?

I think the right thing is to just stop asking and to find a new, a new opening question.

Yeah.

because there's no great answer to that one, especially after recent events involving, you know, a president pushing another talk show host off the air and a congressman continuing to use the First Amendment like toilet paper.

Joe Zepecki

Yeah, you know, a week ago, we had a pretty hard conversation in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination and my take on it.

was that we just need to declare and decide these are politically violent times and that that acceptance of that reality is the first step in finding our way out of a politically violent period of time.

And so if you ask one week later, have things gotten better or worse in the wake of Kirk's murder,

The answer is unequivocally that things have gotten worse that What has happened In the last week is not concerning it is deeply alarming this is happening and what I'm talking about specifically in the last 24 hours is the government the federal government threatening broadcasters corporations in this country

who air things like comedy and saying, you are, you haven't taken part in speech we disagree with.

And so we can do this the hard way or the easy way.

And the capitulation by ABC and Disney to pull Jimmy Kimmel off the air for a joke about Donald Trump that was, if we're being honest, like pretty benign.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

Joe Zepecki

Wasn't a great joke.

Pat (host)

It wasn't a reason.

It was an excuse.

Joe Zepecki

It was an excuse.

And for Brendan Carr, the head of the FCC, who in the past has said things which demonstrate he understands we are in a very bad place if the government is trying to engage in censorship.

And now as the head of the FCC is engaging in that censorship himself,

we have crossed another red line.

And we just need to be as clear-eyed about that and about the current threat to the First Amendment this week as we were about the fact that we live in politically violent times last week.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

And it's not going to get better anytime soon.

And here's one way it's not going to get better.

And I wish I had better news for folks.

But I have to say, here's how it's not going to get better.

In the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, there was a lot of talk about Charlie Kirk's record, his legacy, his quotes.

And in normal times, that would have eventually faded and people would have focused more on we can't have this kind of political violence in the country and we would all unite around that.

But instead, what is happening right now is that as you're seeing this,

you know, vengeance campaign that puts the First Amendment in a woodchipper and starts getting people fired and shows canceled and organizations threatened with defunding.

The response to that is going to be, you know what, let's remind ourselves what these people were saying.

And Charlie Kirk's words are going to come back.

I've already seen this online, people going, hey, by the way, before we turn this guy into a martyr, before we turn him into a saint, here's a reminder of what he had to say.

And that's simply going to incense the people on the right even more.

But I think that's the next step is to remind people we are not, I'm sorry, we are not doing the deification of Charlie Kirk.

We're not doing it today.

And we're not doing it tomorrow.

Joe Zepecki

Think about the extraordinary privilege one has to have people in the wake of their passing, whether untimely in the

In the case of Charlie Kirk or at the end of a very long life like Robert Redford who we lost this week and to have people Be trying to figure out what your legacy is what your time here meant while you were here That is fine to do and the notion that people who are just Saying this is what Charlie Kirk had to say about this issue whether that's

gun control versus the Second Amendment, whether that is his constitutionally protected, even if by my count pretty gross take on members of the trans community or the intelligence of black women, to have people engage in a dialogue and share the things that that person said when they were with us, be grounds for you're going to lose

your opportunity to make a livelihood.

The government is going to censor your speech as a comedian.

Like, holy cow, have we lost the plot, folks.

I don't know a ton about Charlie Curf, other than some of the most heinous things he said, but I believe, and I've been told by my conservative friends, that he is someone who cherished the First Amendment and understood that it's

most important purpose was to protect unpopular speech, right?

And he was somebody who was engaging in, in some quarters, things that people wanted to hear and other quarters people didn't want to hear.

If the First Amendment doesn't apply to speech you disagree with, then we are truly lost.

Pat (host)

Well, I want to agree with you, but...

I just have to ask myself, if this had happened instead to Sean Hannity or Nick Fuentes or any of those other folks, would Charlie Kirk be doing just that?

Would he be saying, hey, hey, wait a minute, we got to stand up for the First Amendment instead?

Right now, one of the few people I've seen doing that is Tucker Carlson of all people.

Once again, like Liz Cheney and other things, when I realized that I'm on the same side of an issue as Tucker Carlson, we are living in the crazy times.

Joe Zepecki

Yeah, um, crazy is certainly one way to put it.

I'm trying to see if I have it here.

Uh, I do not have Mr. Carlson's quote, but, um, but yeah, I agree with him too.

He, what he is saying is when the government controls what you think and what you can say, then we are truly lost.

And so that's where we find ourselves today.

And that's the long answer to, how

Pat (host)

you doing

Joe Zepecki

Joe?

Pat (host)

I think that Tony's got got a new one.

He puts up on YouTube.

What's the state of the dumpster fire today?

That's my new.

How you doing?

That's a good candidate for it, perhaps.

He also says my wife asked last night.

So when do we go?

You look back in history and wonder why people didn't get out.

Are we there now?

I honestly didn't know the answer.

And I mean, again, I'm not trying to be flipping about it.

I love my country.

It's worth fighting for.

But yeah, my passport's up to date.

Joe Zepecki

And my answer to Tony and to you and to anyone else is we need people of good conscience who are patriotic Americans who believe in this country's first principles like, you know, equal justice under the law.

Pat (host)

We

Joe Zepecki

need to stay and we need to turn things around.

We've been in dark times before, we're in a dark time now and America will

Pat (host)

find a way.

back with more with Joseph Pecky and a few final notes and news from Lake WSOTA right after this on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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