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It is nice to have you back here up north on a Friday morning.
It is September 19th.
2025, Parker Olson's producing things down in Studio A2 meteorologist Brittany Merleau is standing by.
And so is our Week in Review panel.
Journalists Mark Jacob and Jennifer Schulze and former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel to talk about the big stories of the week and obviously
What is happening to our First Amendment in our corporate media is going to be a big part of this hour's discussions.
In our next hour, Dr. Kristen Lierly joins us along with Kate Duffy from Motherhood for Good, talking about a big diaper drive going on for a local diaper bank and how you can help out and how your donations can be doubled.
thanks to somebody who's going to be matching all of those gifts.
And Mike Clemens will be along at 835 to talk all about the Brewers sweeping the Angels and now heading to St.
Louis for a series against the Cardinals.
And then they had, out of the St.
Louis series this weekend, they then had to, where is it?
San Diego, that's right, for games Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of next week.
And then they come home for the final home stand of the season next weekend against Cincinnati.
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Now, let's get to meteorologist Brittany Merleau who is looking at a radar
over the upper Midwest that just basically looks like an old cocktail napkin and you put the cup of coffee on there or whatever and it's just got these rings of a mess and it's just these rings of rain all over the place and you just don't know when it's going to rain but you know you're on the napkin somewhere, Brittany.
I have never heard that comparison and I love it.
You've got me cracking up.
I can't even think now.
Now that's perfect.
Yes.
I mean it is you look at the napkin you lift up the coffee cup and you go oh
Maybe I should
maybe you should aim better when I'm pouring but be that as it may We got a mess across the Midwest
We do and this isn't even the low-pressure system itself.
This is still just a
front wrapped through the state, but the winds are picking up.
It's going to be a breezy day today and that's going to continue into the weekend.
Actually, we have a beach hazard statement on all the Lake Michigan shores through at least tomorrow.
And we're also looking at Douglas County.
You're going to see some of the bigger waves potentially approaching about 10 feet high.
So strong winds off the lake, strong winds inland as well, and a lot of rain on and off.
It's becoming numerous now throughout the state, little heavy at times, especially right now towards Hurley, Eau Claire, Park Falls.
You're kind of getting in the mix of that.
But this is going to be the case as we go through the next few days.
What I'm thinking is, is we'll have a little break this afternoon and then more starts to ramp up later tonight, or it could be heavy in spots.
We might get a little bit of a break tomorrow, but then Sunday it looks to get heavy as well and potentially into Monday too, where we could see a front setting up across southeastern parts of the state.
where it could just start to downpour maybe two inches, three inches in some spots.
But widespread, we're really looking at about a half an inch to an inch by the time this weekend is said and done.
Really depends on if your town gets underneath multiple thunderstorms or not.
This is a messy system.
It has honestly been one of the hardest ones to forecast, to be honest with you.
But the good news is I don't see any severe weather in it.
I just see some heavy rainfall potentially.
So breezy, wet.
dark and dreary this weekend.
Don't forget the umbrella.
I actually made a post on Facebook.
I want pictures of your umbrellas.
I just started thinking this morning, there's got to be an array of colors and designs and things.
And if you get caught in the rain, I want to see a video too.
Yes, they're absolutely so many umbrellas.
That's a that's a great idea.
I wonder if there are any umbrellas that look like Pat's shirt.
Right?
Oh, you know, the one day I don't wear a plaid or a flannel shirt.
And now it's being used as fodder for
umbrellas.
No,
it's just a little palm
trees on it.
It's it's fine.
Let's see what's in the mailbag here.
First off from Alisha.
Oh, what's with the honeycomb design on the shirt?
All right, moving on here from Roger.
And Steven's point, good morning.
As the bells echo from St.
Peter's Church, I tuned in to the game that Chad Holmes called last night, Wausau East at Mohsen-E.
The game had a one hour 40 minute rain delay with a thunderstorm.
Mohsen-E won 35-7 as the game went final at almost 11 p.m.
Shadows puts in some long days.
Let's see, I know that we've got Robin Tigerton here.
There he is.
Good morning from Tigerton, cloudy and 59 he puts on YouTube.
Yesterday I was busy mowing five yards in Tigerton.
Yesterday when you were all talking about pizza, I had a supreme pizza at Blazers Bar and Grill in Split Rock.
And he notes that the Tigerton sunsets are rapidly coming before seven o'clock.
658 is what he says sunset's going to be in Tigerton.
He said last night around Lake Dubai area north of Stevens Point had two and a half inches of rain.
Tigerton two tenths of an inch of rain overnight.
He said we do need the rain.
It was the first in 10 days.
And so that much rain is needed.
And he also says he does not have an umbrella.
Whereas Alicia
puts on their info.
I know.
Alicia says, oh, I've got a rainbow umbrella that I bought at Fox Valley Pride.
So
get
them sent in.
And I mean, do you subscribe to the whole theory of, you know, opening an umbrella inside as bad luck or can people open their umbrella inside to make the video or the photo?
Or
would you
rather they be outside?
Okay, I wouldn't do that.
I would be outside with
it.
Look at
you
being all superstitious.
But if it's stored inside and you're not going anywhere and it's just sitting there, you can just send a picture of it just sitting there.
That's fine.
Okay, that'll work.
Thank you, Brittany.
We'll talk to you next hour.
Have a good day.
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In the news, there is a report that Congressman Tom Tiffany might be on the verge of announcing a run for governor.
It's not an announcement that's coming from him.
It came from Wisconsin College Republicans.
Yesterday, they tweeted out a flyer advertising a very special event in Wausau hosted by Tom Tiffany coming up next Wednesday, September 24th.
multiple Republicans in the state told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Tiffany is planning to officially jump into the 2026 governor's race next week.
I mean, I'm still not thoroughly convinced because again, putting your name out there is a great way to do fundraising and build name ID.
And in the end, he could say, you know, this just isn't the right time for me.
But thanks for all of you who've been writing checks recently.
So again, I'll believe it when I hear it.
although it would be great news for Wisconsin Republicans because right now they have two relative unknowns who are running in Washington County executive Josh Schoeman and Waukesha County business owner Bill Barion.
And so while Tom Tiffany is far better up north in the 7th congressional district, his name of course has come up in countless conversations because Republicans are desperately seeking a rare win in state elections.
You would get the impression that Republicans were dominant in Wisconsin to look at the legislature, but that, of course, was based on maps that were gerrymandered for over a decade.
If you look at statewide elections, there have been 18 statewide elections dating back to 2018.
And of those 18 statewide elections, the Democratic or the Progressive candidate
has won 15 of those 18 state elections.
Now, there will be a primary, of course, both for the Democrats and the Republicans for the governor's race.
There will be races next year for Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Treasurer, Secretary of State.
But with a wide open governor's race, Republicans are looking for somebody who has name ID.
And so it is quite possible, though I would say not a certainty yet, that Tom Tiffany could get into the race in the middle of next week.
Coming up this weekend, we're going to hear more about a Republican plan that would make some big changes about elections and ballot drop boxes.
That note is coming from WISN TV ahead of their Sunday show Up Front.
They will be interviewing Republican State Representative Scott Krug.
He's the Assembly Majority Leader.
He's the Vice Chair of the Assembly Elections Committee.
And it starts off with some good news.
The Republican proposal that's about to be unveiled would finally, finally allow the processing of absentee ballots the day before Election Day.
That's something that should have been done a long time ago.
It's not counting the ballots, that happens on election day.
But it's a process to get the envelopes, open up the envelope, well first verify the envelopes against the voter list, then open them up and get them set and then you can feed them, you know, the next day.
Whereas if you're doing it day of, it stretches the process out and
Frankly, Republicans haven't fixed it because they like that it's stretched out.
They like that sometimes the results don't come in until after midnight because of big cities like Milwaukee, Green Bay, Racine, Kenosha and elsewhere.
And they can say, oh, there must be something suspicious going on with these ballots coming out late at night.
Well, now Republicans say they are willing to pass a bill that would begin processing absentee ballots the day before.
Of course, there's always a catch.
There's always a catch.
And so the bill would mandate new, quote, security measures for Dropboxes, including 24-hour surveillance video of each Dropbox that must be live-streamed on the municipality's website.
Ballots would also need to be transferred under the supervision of a law enforcement officer, and the legislation would penalize clerks
who correct errors on absentee ballot requests.
In other words, this is going after a fly with a sledgehammer.
This is overkill to the umpteenth degree here.
Surveillance video on every Dropbox that has to be live streamed on the municipality website.
I'll say it again, there is already a penalty for mail fraud.
If you if you use the mail fraud, you're gonna get in trouble.
Do we put 24-hour cameras on every mailbox?
Does the city of Chippewa Falls have to have a website showing the webcams of every mailbox?
No.
Same goes for absentee ballot drop boxes.
I'm up here in the town of Eagle Point, has a beautiful old town hall.
You're telling me that this town and every other township that wants an absentee ballot drop box now has to go through the expense of a live stream 24-hour camera?
and has to have a law enforcement officer there to transfer the ballots.
Once again, these Republican legislators are teasing you by saying, hey, we're willing to make elections go a little bit more smoothly processing those absentee ballots.
But here's some strings attached.
And they're not even strings.
These are ropes.
These are chains.
This is a non starter.
But
It's been pretty par for the course lately when it comes to Republicans managing elections.
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Search for news Jennifer.
Her latest issue says it does no one any good for Charlie Kirk's life to be sainwashed or for reporters to rush to publish unverified info.
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Talks about media timidity from some cowardly journalists after the Charlie Kirk murder.
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Learn more at civicmedia.us Jennifer, Jim, Mark, good morning.
morning.
So yeah, I'm getting better.
I'm just saying good morning.
I'm just saying good morning.
How are you?
Because then there's that uncomfortable thing after that.
So we'll just stick with good morning.
So here we are.
I feel like, you know, this segment got started with with just, you know, Mark came on board and I thought, well, let's let's get some friends here to join in with us.
But every so often, I just want to go back to the way that it that it was in the beginning, because I just know all I have to do is say something.
And it's like pulling a string.
Mark, ABC capitulated to Donald Trump.
And they basically are, I'm sure Jimmy Kimmel's not coming back the way things are looking right now.
What do you think?
I'm going to go get some breakfast.
I'll be back in a while.
The floor is yours.
Let her loose, Mark.
It's people, big corporations who own a lot of different
businesses that many of which have nothing to do with journalism, but they happen to own media outlets as well.
Therefore, because they're scared of Trump sabotaging their other interests, they're willing to sacrifice their media outlet or the legitimacy of it in order to satisfy the would be dictator.
And so that's why they are so quick to capitulate, to throw millions of dollars at Trump.
and to do what they did to Kimmel.
And there's this self censorship going on now in media, you know, where people get fired for saying perfectly reasonable things, just to maybe they think it's almost like the Aztecs, you know, throwing people into the fire to sacrifice themselves then to the gods.
I mean, there is this kind of idea that if you if the media punishes its own
then the dictator will be satisfied.
Well, and the truth is the dictator's never satisfied.
The dictator wants more and more always.
I saw this going in a lot of directions.
I did not have Aztec sacrifice on my bingo card.
I'm
This is why we've got him here.
Jennifer, I
mean,
again, equally, equally.
shocking that we're at that point where it's not even like a suspension.
It is, you know, bending the knee in record time.
But not at all surprising.
Remember that Trump said after Colbert show was not renewed, he said on social media, Kimmel is next.
And he has been
attacking Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert for years.
So this is, I'm sure, maybe it wasn't written down in Project 2025, but it was part of the revenge plan.
And I don't think he's going to stop there.
He said, you know, the NBC late night comedians should be fired next.
So, you know, I think this is going to keep going.
I don't know who's going to stop it, but.
It's a really bad place for us to
be.
Here's who would normally stop it, an independent federal communications commission.
But Jim Santel, I mean, we know what the law that set up the FCC would do in a perfect world, but from a legal standpoint, we're in a different kind of area when you have an FCC commissioner who is just an outright totie to the sitting president.
We've got all these agencies, FCC among them,
Oh, by the way, the Federal Reserve is out there also being attacked.
Consumer Product Safety Commission.
All kinds of things are established by the Congress.
They are not sitting around the President's cabinet table.
He does not have authority over them.
And yet, and yet, yes, appointments are often made, and there's no doubt about that.
But the concept, what my Congress was, independence.
You don't want political decision-making going on at these agency levels.
And again, up to now, the Supreme Court in many of these cases has said, all right, even while we're litigating that underlying issue, which has been resolved, we know the president does not have authority in these areas, we'll let you go ahead and fire people, let you go ahead and frankly encourage exactly the kind of thing that the Congress prohibited, which was partisan perspective, doing things that are on the agenda.
of a particular political party.
It is completely antithetical.
Regardless of what your political views are, Republican-Democrat's summit between this is not, this is not the way our administrative strategy was set up and our structure was set up to operate in this way.
No, not
at all.
And Mark...
I mean, we'll get more into this after the break, but I mean, where do we go from here?
I mean, we do have people like just a minute ago, Adam put up, I immediately canceled my Disney Plus subscription.
I love Disney's content, but I need to speak with my wallet and there are plenty of people doing that from more of a big picture standpoint.
Are we relatively just tied up until the midterms and maybe there's a change in Congress?
I mean, because Congress is letting all this happen.
I mean, they've pretty much just surrendered all of their duty to the American people.
But I really think, you know, acting with your wallet is the way to go.
I mean, why are these big corporations complying with Trump's fascism for money?
Because they think democracy won't make them as much money as this will.
And it really, it's all bottom line stuff.
So why not hit him with the bottom line?
So yeah, I'm for boycotts.
I think that's the way to go.
You know, the other thing that really strikes me about this pad is the idea that...
Trump hates government regulations supposedly.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah,
It's like they hate red tape.
Oh, we hate red tape, but we sure know how to impose it when we want to.
We'll have more with our Week in Review panel coming up after the break.
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Coming up Monday on the program, we'll be talking to State Senator Kelder Royce, who announced at the start of this week that she is a candidate for governor.
So we'll talk to her Monday about her entering the gubernatorial race for 2026.
Then on Wednesday in our homeroom segment, we will talk to Dr. Jill Underly, state superintendent of public instruction yesterday.
She gave her state of education address and said that
The first thing we try to teach our school kids is to stand up to bullies and right now the biggest bully in education is this federal government.
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Former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel is here, along with journalist Jennifer Scholesy and Mark Jacob.
Nice to have you back here for this week's Week in Review panel.
And Jennifer, we'll start with you because we've already discussed the pulling of Jimmy Kimmel allegedly in response to things that he said.
And by the way, if any of you missed that in the last segment, subscribe to us as a podcast over at Spotify and you'll never miss any of these segments.
But what it risks doing here with this Jimmy Kimmel thing is we're now focused on
the way the First Amendment is essentially being trashed by corporate media and I think that that only fits the ongoing what you and I would call sanewashing of Charlie Kirk's record that people are being made to feel afraid to speak the truth about this guy and it is more important than ever to, as I said before, we're not going to do the deification of Charlie Kirk on this program.
are in a perfect storm.
The years of demonizing the media and embracing alternate facts, or did she say alternative facts, we're seeing the absolute impact of that right now.
Facts do not matter.
If you utter...
Charlie Herg's name and you're not the right person doing that.
There is a mob coming after you for your job.
They're coming, you
know,
It is a remarkable time in American history.
You cannot say anything that the mob does not like or you risk everything and people are being fired for saying really
pretty mild stuff and there's a myth I think out there that people are celebrating and people are you know demonizing and and surely there is some of that because the internet is a big place but the impression you might get from that is that it's democratic politicians that it's you know leaders of the opposition from you know well-known groups it is not but but it is so
consumed everybody and everything that up is down and down is up.
It's an incredible thing.
It's what I always say about you know Ronald Reagan's welfare queens.
There will always be at least one person gaming the system and there will always be one immigrant who's committing a crime and even if that's the only one if you blow that up.
people are going to think that's what everybody is doing.
And that's what they're doing now with people who are not even criticizing Charlie Kirk, Mark Jacob, they're simply repeating his words back.
And now you have from Congressman Derek Van Orden becoming a modern day Joseph McCarthy, you have as Jennifer refers this mob that begins at the very top with essentially a mob boss in the White House unleashing this mob, something that he's he's got experience doing.
Well, I mean, it's it's clear that the right wing is looking for excuses to become even more authoritarian than it already is.
And so they're just looking for pretexts.
I mean, it's the whole if people didn't understand what the Reichstag fire was in Germany.
And that was when somebody it's still not even clear who set the parliament on fire.
Now, the Nazis reacted by getting rid of all civil rights and creating a dictatorship.
So.
And I'm not saying, I'm not making a one-to-one comparison with MAGA and Nazis, although I'd stop making any comparison if they'd stop acting like that.
But what I'm saying is that they look for pretext, fascists look for pretext.
They want excuses to do terrible things.
And the Kirk thing, which was a terrible act by a confused young man, is their pretext.
And that's the thing.
As Jennifer pointed out,
Two months ago, Trump was posting about getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel.
It's not, they didn't have anything to do with Charlie Kirk.
Not a thing.
That's just a pretext.
Yeah, exactly.
And you have in this growing mob, Jim Santel, you have people who are, I mean,
We've gone from support to allegiance to blind faith, and they are starting to lose sight of things like the difference between a king and a president.
And that was a theme echoed this week by a sitting Supreme Court justice.
Back way back in 1787.
A
couple of years later, we passed a thing in the first Congress saying, yes, indeed, there's freedom of the press, freedom of speech.
Gosh, those were the days, right?
So, Sonia Seta-Mayors in New York, and she's talking all about these things, and she is saying, bemoaning the fact that Americans may no longer have a real clear civics understanding of how these things work, how the meanings of the Constitution
those words do in fact have some significance.
She also takes appropriately a shot at lawyers, which I appreciate.
She says, I think the thing that gets me every time I listen to a lawyer trained representative saying we should criminalize free speech in the same way I think to myself that law school has failed.
If any student who becomes a lawyer hasn't been taught civics, then the law school has failed.
And again, not only is there cynicism by this president and others in Washington and other places around the country, but it's so cynical because it relies upon the incapacity of Americans to understand how things work.
promoting institutional things, it's understanding what the First Amendment means, not every single case.
It's been decided for 200 years.
But the fundamental trappings of it, that's what she is bemoaning.
And she is saying that in the midst of an internet that permits you to post anything that you want, that confusion only adds to this huge problem of lack of understanding about how things are supposed to work.
So we've got the cynicism that's that's out there and it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy Which is a little odd because I mean people have been making cynical jokes about government as long as there have been governments But it has that cynicism is built to such a level Jennifer that there's people that are willing to essentially allow a government to be overthrown and allow You know the first amendment to to be trashed because of their cynicism it makes it
hard to believe that there is a way to start to turn things back.
And I'm putting this on your shoulders first, whether you want to talk about media companies or media consumers, what kinds of first steps are there that start to have more people understand the importance of the First Amendment and not allowing presidents to be dictators?
I guess I'd go first just to say what we need is
For networks and I would also say for colleges and universities a few more people to be especially vocal in standing up and resisting this trend
Well, yeah, I agree with that Right now people are afraid at every level people are afraid and we need more people to be brave and stand up to everything that Trump is doing and and remind
your neighbors, your family, what the Constitution says, free speech, what it really means, and maybe even dig down to the granular stuff.
I mean, the thing, one of the things about the Kimmel story that really bothers me is what he said and what he didn't say.
is not in most of the news coverage.
All of MAGA is saying he said a MAGA person killed Charlie Kirk.
He did not.
He was making fun of Donald Trump.
And I scoured news coverage yesterday in the follow-up stories about the Jimmy Kimmel suspension.
And I couldn't find many that actually had what Kimmel said and also reflected what MAGA is saying he said.
So it's an interesting, there is an Earth 2 over here.
And I think people need to really understand that and appreciate it and then try to puncture it.
And I think one of the ways we fight back against that is I think we have to start really leaning into alternative communication things.
I think Network News.
is on its way out.
So what's going to replace it?
You know, where's Jimmy Kimmel going to pop up next?
He's not going to go back to ABC News or ABC.
I doubt it.
Where's he going to come?
There's got to be alternative spaces.
We already know that there are.
I think we have to also help support the ones that are there and grow them like career and things like that.
And maybe that's a start.
Yeah.
Let's look at another dimension of this mark and it's not we've been talking about ABC a lot here, but let's talk about the affiliates and the affiliate ownership and now I'm really going to show my age because I grew up at a time when we had what was called the rule of sevens the most anybody could own was seven AM's seven FM radio stations and seven TV stations and that was it and now we have these groups that own
dozens and dozens of stations and hundreds
And if they have right-wing ownership and biases like Sinclair and maybe Nextstar as well, it's those affiliate groups that are truly the big corporate media, arguably more so than the networks.
And that just is blaring antitrust issues in my mind, Mark.
Well, actually that's a key thing because while ABC as an entity doesn't get regulated or they don't have to be sanctioned by the FCC, the licenses, they're not licensed by the FCC.
The individual stations, local stations are licensed by the FCC and that's where the Brendan Carr has them.
you know, by the neck.
I mean that and would you have his neck star, for example, which was part of the whole Kimmel thing, you know, got that ball rolling.
They have a deal now to get even bigger.
That's got to be approved by Brendan Carr and the FCC.
So clearly they're going to do whatever Trump wants in order to get bigger and bigger.
People are complaining about the lack of disparate voices and lack of free speech, which the right wing was talking about, at least during the Biden administration.
They need to be looking at these monopolies that are being built up.
And if you're Trump, you want monopolies.
If they're beholden to you, because that just shuts everyone else out.
And so Sinclair and Nexstar and places like that are extremely powerful now because they're completely controlled by Trump.
and they'll do whatever he wants.
And again, not to get too deep in the weeds, although I'm always tempted to do like the entire three hour show, Jim, on Hungary.
And what we're now, I think a lot more people learning the word, urbanization
for Victor
Orban.
And I've only got a couple of seconds here, but I mean,
I think people are right to be concerned about government, not necessarily owning media, but having very friendly people in those ownership positions.
That's right.
Jim Santel, you can hear him on Amicus Law Review Saturdays at nine.
You can get Indistinct Chatter from Jennifer Schulze on Substack and you can get Stop the Press
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No.
Todd Alba is talking to Bill McCosh today in his role as president and founder of the Jamesville Jets North American Hockey League team talking about their new arena and their home opener this weekend.
Jim Santel will be appearing with Maggie Dawn this afternoon at 4.05 and then at 5.05 talking to Noel Haverson of NeighborWorks in Green Bay about the housing crisis and homeowner programs to keep housing affordable and Nightlight with Pete Schwabba at 7.30 tonight.
bar band friday with terry bar all that coming up on the civic media radio network head over to civicmedia.us to learn more a few minutes more here with jennifer shoalsey and jim santel and mark jacob and i want to go to the uh the comments here on
YouTube, this one from Adam, and then Mark will go to you on this one.
The administration is successfully finding ways to distract from the Epstein cover-up, no matter what, all conversations need to lead back to Epstein.
Now, I'm not going to subscribe to the notion that this entire Kimmel thing was like entirely an Epstein distraction, but it happens to be a very nice coincidence.
And I guess what I'm trying to do, Mark, is steer us back toward, I mean, not that this shouldn't
die down.
This is still an outrage, but we are careening toward another government shutdown.
We have the Epstein files out there.
We have farmers crops about to rot in the fields because China hasn't purchased anything yet.
And so somewhere along the line, we've got to do, we've got to juggle many plates at once and keep people focused on some of the things that are really going to impact them.
I mean, yes.
I mean, the real trick there, Pat, is that the Epstein files doesn't directly affect you unless you care about, you know, children getting sexually assaulted, which all of us should and do care about.
But I mean, but these kitchen table issues, the fact that prices are rising and the fact that, you know, the government may shut down.
I mean, these are.
really important things for people.
The truth is, everything's going in the wrong direction.
I mean, when you look at the public health and the vaccine rates and stuff like that, that's alarming.
People will die in coming years because of what RFK Junior did.
And so, yeah, there's a lot to be alarmed about.
But what we really ought to do is put it all under a big umbrella and say that everything's moving in the wrong direction because Donald Trump doesn't give a crap about anything but his own money and power.
And same thing with all the Republicans who are enabling him, and they've got to be stopped.
Jim, if we were focused elsewhere, one of the cases might be on the Epstein case, the way that Assistant Attorney General is at Todd Blanche, did not exactly put on a textbook case of how to deal with Epstein co-conspirator, co-offender, co-predator Ghislaine Maxwell.
He did a terrible job of interviewing her and again, he should not have been doing the first place but putting aside his incompetence Again, this is the deputy attorney general the second in command of the United States Department of Justice
Listen to what he said about the reasons why he did that.
He said the point in the interview was not for me to pressure test every single answer she gave, of course.
Well, if you really want to find the truth, that's what good investigations do, Mr. Deputy Attorney General.
You've been a lawyer for a long period of time.
You have no business being in that job if you don't understand how your own department works.
And then here's the big one.
The point of the interview was to allow her to speak, which nobody had done before.
Again, Mr.
Attorney General Constitution.
She had a trial.
She has a right not to testify.
That was the forum in which she could have taken the stand and told America everything that happened here.
She had that forum and he again repeats this notion that the American people should have had a chance to determine whether she is credible or not.
There was that opportunity she chose.
constitutional right, not to pursue it.
And what are you doing now providing this additional forum?
Are you going to go around as to every defendant who testified a trial following which they were convicted and say, you should have a forum.
Let's sit down and just have a free willing discussion about things.
This is so absurd.
And again, it's coming not from someone
who may not know about this.
This is the second in command of the United States Department of Justice.
It is horrifying, shocking, bewildering, and completely robbing him of his credibility.
Jim Santel is just getting warmed
up.
More preaching coming up on Amicus, the Law Review, tomorrow at 9 a.m.
across the Civic Media Radio Network.
And Jennifer, I'm going to give you the last word just to again remind people.
On any one of these things just I think everything should start with if joe biden had and we can do forcing a conservative host off the air The stuff that trump said in london this week that got no coverage acting like a complete chucklehead Not to mention, you know the upsteen case, but heaven forbiddy he tripped on a sandbag and he you know now he needs to be committed I don't know how we got to this point, but
I will never get tired of pointing that out to media figures that want to make a big deal about Joe Biden's foibles that don't seem to be doing the same thing right now.
I think the big picture is...
We are less safe and everything is more expensive.
And if you recall, those two things were big, big, big issues, particularly the more expensive throughout the Biden administration.
And I think if we could just put all of that under that umbrella and talk about it with some regularity, and frankly, people are feeling it.
Coffee is too expensive already.
The whole country drinks coffee.
I'm telling you, I think it's going to be the coffee that really makes this hit home for people.
I think so, too.
I mean, the people know what their what their prices are and that they whatever grace period existed for Trump on inflation, that is winding down rapidly.
Jennifer Schulze, Jim Santel, Mark Jacob.
Thank you so much as always.
It's always good to have have you here.
Have a great weekend.
Good to be with you, Pat.
Okay.
I mean,
They're the best.
We've got the best weekend review panel in the business here.
You can hear them every Friday in our seven a.m.
Hour.
Dr. Kristen Lyrely, she's the best too.
She'll be in here right after the eight o'clock news.
I pack quite low.
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