
Well, hey there,
Wisconsin.
Good morning.
It is a Tuesday morning, 6.06 the time.
It's August 26th.
2025 it is another beautiful morning to have year up north live from Lake Wissota from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or listening or watching us on all of our different platforms here.
We appreciate having you along.
And we're following right off the top here a little bit of breaking news.
And that's all about a visit coming up.
later from Vice President J.D.
Vance, and at first we thought it was going to be on Tuesday, but it turns out it's not going to be on Thursday, is going to be the visit to a steel fabricating plant in La Crosse.
They did not say specifically which one yet, but it was first reported by Axios
and then by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel as well, that he would be coming out initially, like I said, it's said on Tuesday.
So we're still waiting on some of the details of this, but we'll get into a little bit later, you know, what's really behind this.
And it's about propping up a big bloated boondoggle that Trump got passed, a mega bill, whatever you want to call it, anything other than beautiful because it's not.
And this is an effort not just to prop up the bill, but an unpopular congressman.
And it just seems a bit of a stretch to prop up a grouchy congressman by sending a grouchy vice president.
But hey, grouchy white guys unite.
That's what they're going to do at some point when the vice president comes to Western Wisconsin.
Also coming up on the program today, we're going to be talking about
the rural economy and things that the Wisconsin legislature could be doing to help.
And for that, we'll talk to Sheila Everhart of the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.
We'll talk to our friend Hans Breitenmoser, a dairy farmer from the Merrill area.
And also we'll talk to Gene Bonn of the Farm View Event Barn.
about some of the things that the legislature could do to be more helpful.
State Representative Angela Stroud from Ashland is part of our way up north segment later on.
We'll be talking to Chad Holmes from 98.9 WXCO in Warsaw about the new stories that he's following there.
Not far away from there is a Rhinelander.
and News Watch 12, WJFW.
Dan Hagen anchors the news there and he'll join us to talk about more stories up north that they're covering.
And we'll wrap things up with Dan Schaefer from the Reconpopulation Area talking about some of the things and making political headlines.
And also, for the start of the school year, we'll talk about the increasingly popular topic of banning cell phones in the classroom.
Now, since that wasn't a thing,
not just for me or for my kids.
My daughters are now in their mid-30s.
And I have to admit, I kind of thought that was the deal already.
So I don't know.
I need a young person to talk to about this.
Hi.
Parker.
Hi, Parker.
How are you?
Good.
How are you?
Good.
Did you have cell phones like with you on your person while you were supposed to be listening to the teacher?
Yeah.
That's yeah, that's just kind of just how it was something it varied classroom to classroom There were some teachers I think that would have you put that had a lockbox that you would put them in But I don't know if anyone had mandatory you cannot have your phone It was it was more of it if I see it I'm taking it kind of thing But you usually got a couple of warnings because it was kind of a little politics thing within the school as you may have guessed
I, I, I am, I am surprised to hear this.
I legitimately am.
I thought all this time, because I mean, that'd be like, let's go way back.
That'd be like my generation taking a transistor radio and trying to listen to the, to the, to the day game for the brewers, but I've got the volume on really, really low at my desk.
Well, I will say that we weren't, we couldn't have.
earbuds, I don't think.
So like we weren't doing any volume or anything.
We weren't watching videos.
At least we weren't supposed to.
But yeah, I don't know.
There were some teachers that were just like, you know what?
If something happens, you might as well have your phone on you so that you can.
And that's the other thing if something happens and we know the undertone of that remark Alicia says on YouTube in my kids schools, they used phones for school, which I mean, yeah, I mean, we had to buy, we had to buy a calculator.
We don't have to nobody buys a calculator anymore.
Well, some teachers like my, um, my Spanish teacher, Ms.
Ferguson, she would have us like play Kahoot games like on our phones, I think sometimes if I remember right.
So yeah, I think I'm
right on that.
I just, I really always thought that all this time there was a, like it's got to be in your locker or put them on the shelf here by the door or put them in a basket or whatever.
I never realized they were this widespread in use.
And I kind of want to go back in time and go, go, why are you doing this?
Because if, if I could say, if, if I were a teacher, if I had the power to do this,
I would have done that from the get go because I know kids, especially elementary, middle school, high school, they got the attention span of a nat.
Yeah,
if you give them anything that's going to distract them, you know, or just the temptation to look.
I mean, I'm not in middle school.
And I still get a look when I'm looking at my phone at at the dinner table or breakfast or whatever, because it's there.
You can't just you can't help but peek over at it, you know, yeah.
Alicia says the middle school had QR codes everywhere for their syllabus.
I can, again, I can totally see the usefulness of it now.
But back then when it was just, you know, phones and, and, you know, YouTube and God only knows what you find on YouTube.
And by the way, I hate sounding like an old man right now.
But this is just, I'm,
no, I get it.
It's a weird kind of thing.
There was definitely some application for it, but I'm pretty sure if you ask 75 80% of teachers in the world right now They will say that phones are like the number one issue in their classroom
Well Then don't allow them Well, we've pretty much given away the Dan Shaffer segment later on but we'll see what Dan says about more districts that are going after the cell phones and saying no these can't be there and and me saying
Yeah, how is this a thing?
But it is.
So all right, well, let's let's get over to the forecast for meteorologist Brittany Merleau right now, her state forecast for today says gradually getting more mild before another cold front drags in some rain midweek and then back to feeling like fall, all ahead of a hopefully warmer and dry Labor Day weekend.
Well, I hope so.
Here's that phrase again, written fingers crossed, you know, mostly sunny, slightly warmer today, she says upper 60s up north low 70s south, a northwest wind at 10 to 15 miles an hour, a few clouds and cool tonight are low tonight in the mid to upper 40s with a west wind at five to 10 miles an hour.
I mentioned the daughters are visiting this week with their kids.
One has arrived from Texas where she is very relieved that it is not 97 because apparently it's 97, 24, 7 in Texas this time of year.
But she's like, this is winter for her in her world now.
This is what winter feels like.
And I'm like, it kind of feels like winter for me too.
I mean, we left the windows open overnight and really
you know, got up and like, okay, I'm glad we had them open overnight.
But the first thing I did is I closed it all up.
So it didn't get much colder.
You know, so we got kind of got things sealed in.
It's comfortable here.
And then pretty soon, I'll open it up again.
But 40s is for it's 47 right now in Chippewa.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, anything
under 50 is wrong in
August.
I yeah, exactly.
Let's see what else we have here from Scott and Madison.
Did you really think under pit goal teachers were enforcers of all things?
I just thought, yes, teachers were enforcers back in my day.
Well, it was it was a different time back then back then.
Boy, oh boy, this old man stuff is really new to me back then.
If a teacher said, you know, your kid did this, your kid's in trouble for that, you turned on the kid and said, what is going on here?
What are you doing wrong?
And it just seems there's a whole lot of, if now it's, they're turning on the teacher and going, what are you doing wrong?
My precious baby would not possibly be doing anything wrong.
You know, and
I
hate that, but...
On the other hand, I can't give teachers all the benefit of the doubt if they were letting phones in the classroom all this time.
It's a weird world that we live in, especially in the school
world.
I guess so.
Let's turn our attention to the sports here.
I was listening to Mike Clemens give the update there about how the Packers have to trim their roster today from 90 down to 53.
Now again, I'm much more of a baseball fan and so I'm used to hearing about a few cut downs here and there.
But the prospect of 37 of your players, you know, getting cut today.
That's that's a miserable day.
Yeah.
At least as misery loves company.
You're there with three dozen other people who are packing their bags and leaving.
Yeah, there's that.
It's a tough day for the team, too.
I don't know if you're familiar with Andrew Brandt.
No, he used to work with the Packers doing like contracts for players and stuff.
And he like some of his stuff is like, yeah, no.
This is the absolute worst time of the year and it just sucks.
It is not fun for anybody at all.
It's a lot of hard decisions and a lot of hard news to get.
Yeah.
So obviously, Michael, follow that and have details later today and tomorrow, of course, to the Brewers.
There were two five run rallies in yesterday's game.
The first one fun.
The second one, not so much.
The Brewers broke a scoreless tie with a five run third inning.
and Arizona was behind then six-nothing before they got a five-run rally in the sixth inning and made things interesting, but then Caleb Durbin homered for the second straight game.
Andrew Monasterio also went deep to help the Brewers beat the Diamondbacks seven to five last night.
Monasterio had two hits, Kristen Yellich had two hits.
They each had two runs batted in.
Of course, the Brewers still on top of the National League Central Division.
Oh, William Contreras also had two hits.
And coming up tonight would be Game 2 of the series from American Family Field.
The pregame can be heard starting at 6.05 on several civic media stations.
We're seeing Kenosha, Hayward, Park Falls, Oshkosh, Richland Center.
Head over to the website to learn more, civicmedia.us.
Park, the other thing about cell phones, I just realized as a learning tool.
I actually had, I had to use my cell phone as a learning tool to answer this question the other day over my breakfast.
How do they make corn flakes?
Like, what is the actual process of making a corn flake?
And of course, now on YouTube, you can find anything.
And I realized my phone and YouTube have become, now again, you didn't have Mr. Rogers growing up.
Now, Mr. Rogers had this thing called picture picture.
And it was it was just a picture frame on the wall.
But you know, there was it was actually TV.
But then you'd look into that.
And you'd see these behind the scenes, you know, things like in factories and how things are made.
And I realized that that the phone and YouTube is now is now just my picture picture.
It's my Mr. Rogers.
So I and Luke Mathers is texting in not that long ago, phones weren't allowed for him, he said.
But with he and his friends went back to visit, the phones were allowed.
and said it was a very weird feeling.
So, Luke Mathers, welcome.
It's good to have you here in the Metamucal Crowd.
Enjoy your time here.
From the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota.
Thanks for making this the place to spend a part of your mornings.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Now get off my lawn.
Now, coming up on Thursday in this time slot, we'll be hearing from Sharita Booker, who tells us about some of the many fairs and festivals you can attend, some deeper specifics on a few of them, but allow me to just go through a quick review, a quick list of all the things that are happening around Wisconsin, not all of them, but a big chunk.
I love to talk about the county fairs that are coming up.
I love a good county fair.
And opening up tomorrow,
are the county fairs in Shawno and Walworth counties.
Then on Thursday, the Iowa County Fair and the Sheboygan County Fair get going.
And then on Friday, Calumet County and Portage County have their fairs going on.
Tomorrow in Appleton will be the third annual Food Truck Fest.
And then let's see, there's the Prairie Duchenne Cow Chip Arts and Crafts Festival.
Cow Chip Arts and Crafts.
in Prairie Duchenne, coming up Saturday.
Excellent.
They have the trout festival Friday and Saturday.
The taste of Madison is this weekend, Friday, Saturday.
Balsam Lake has their corn on the curb days, Saturday, Sunday.
Cedarburg has Maxwell Street days this Sunday.
Eagle River has their sausage fest on Sunday.
I guess the women aren't allowed.
Anyway, moving on.
Prentice Progress days, Friday through Monday.
which would be Labor Day and of course Shell Lake Town and Country Days Saturday through Labor Day as well because it's Labor Day weekend coming up.
Have you made any big plans for the long weekend?
Not that I know of yet.
Might be heading down to Whitewater with a couple of my buddies that are still going to be in school there.
They're going to be starting up on Tuesday, I think is when classes start.
So I
might do a little
back to school thing with them back to their school, not back to my school.
I'm done.
Yeah, please.
Alicia has the text of the day already.
Cornflakes are made with cardboard and sadness.
I guess the comment section is closed for the rest of the day because Alicia's nailed that.
Good luck topping
that.
Yep.
All right, so we also asked in our Sunday morning newsletter a question of the week that says, should Wisconsin keep or get rid of mail-in voting?
given the recent attacks by President Trump on it and claiming he's gonna get rid of it, which is something he does not have the power to do.
But hey, there's a lot of things he says he has the power to do, even though he doesn't have it, but as long as Congress or a Supreme Court let him get away with it, look at what he's doing with our trade wars right now.
And our tariffs and our international relations, the tariffs are supposed to
basically have congressional oversight.
Well, but that's taking place.
It's not popular.
And as a result, Vice President JD Vance is coming to lacrosse at some point this week to prop up fellow grouchy white guy, Derek Van Orden, as well as the big bloated moondoggle from the Trump and Republican Congress mega bill.
Apparently, this is also designed to boost
Derek van Orden.
I mean, you pick lacrosse for a reason.
You don't go to reliably Republican Waukesha County for this.
If you're trying to talk up the bill, well, then you're going to come to a place where you've got an incumbent that's in trouble.
And there's no doubt that Derek van Orden is in trouble in large part because he can't shut his mouth or turn off his keyboard.
His caustic comments are getting in the way.
of addressing any concerns about what these tariffs are doing to manufacturing and farming in the Third Congressional District.
But again, that's par for the course from Wisconsin's current congressional delegation.
You've got, for example, Tom Tiffany, who yesterday put up one of these, I mean, it's almost boilerplate now.
It's like a requirement you have to occasionally put up a tweet like this, just out of the blue.
from Tom Tiffany.
The left opposes secure borders, affordable energy, lower crime, cutting government waste, revitalizing manufacturing and tax cuts for workers, seniors and families.
Did I miss anything?
Well, gosh, Tom, you missed the obligatory the left wants dead babies and no more jobs for white guys and socialism.
But I suppose you couldn't fit all that into a tweet as well.
But at least by him putting it out yesterday like he did I can I have something to hold up To again when people say what's wrong with our politics today?
I would just point to that tweet from Tom Tiffany the left Meaning your friends and neighbors who don't have to agree with you on everything the left opposes secure borders No, not true never been true wanted immigration reform your guy blew it up
The left opposes affordable energy.
By that he of course means burning as much coal and oil as possible.
Now affordable energy is actually the next generation of cleaner energy sources.
The left opposes lower crime.
Now we oppose school shootings and other forms of mass murder.
The left opposes cutting government waste.
No, nobody opposes cutting waste.
It's just that your definition of waste
is the things your constituents want and need and pay taxes for.
The left opposes revitalizing manufacturing.
Again, where would you get an idea like that?
Now you're just making up stuff.
Tax cuts for workers, seniors, and families.
No, I think of like all the times Governor Evers actually fought for tax cuts for workers, seniors, and families, and yet Republicans kept wanting to put the tax cuts all toward the very wealthy.
So, yeah, you missed the other stuff like socialism, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to talk about socialism right now, Tom Tiffany, because imagine what you'd be saying if a Democratic president like Joe Biden suddenly announced that the government had taken over 10% of Intel, the computer chipmaker, in exchange for favorable treatment.
I mean, that's exactly what just happened.
You've got a Bloomberg headline saying Trump seems pretty socialist these days.
because he is it's being criticized by common conservative commentators like Eric Erickson, senators like Rand Paul, you know, conservatives who look at what Trump is doing and saying, there's nothing conservative about some of this stuff.
This is just stuff you're doing because you want to be an authoritarian, a dictator, which is way past socialism and way past anything that would
clearly be defined as conservative behavior.
In other words, the man wants to be the dictator beyond day one.
Today's history lesson is next.
You're up north.
I know
what you're thinking.
It's like, wait, is this Friday?
Is it Yacht Rock Day already?
No, no, not quite there.
That song is actually part of today's history lesson.
Before we launch into it, let me tease it by saying
In today's history lesson, what's the common bond between Chris Pine, a well-known actor today, and Macaulay Culkin, a well-known child actor from decades ago?
Think about that as I take you into today's history lesson for this August 26th, 2025.
It was on this day in 1972, so now 53 years ago today, that Looking Glass had their one hit wonder.
Brandy, you're a fine girl.
Hit number one this week in 1972.
This is 19th Amendment Day.
The 19th Amendment took effect this day in 1920, giving women the right to vote.
This is the anniversary of the birth of former Vice Presidential nominee and Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro from New York who passed away in 2011.
She was Walter Mondale's running mate back in 1984.
Happy 79th birthday to Valerie Simpson of the songwriting team of Ashford and Simpson.
Ashford and Simpson maybe not the most well-known songwriting husband and wife team.
I mean there's certainly
Carol King and Jerry Goffin and others that are out there as well.
But Ashford and Simpson, they did all right.
They had the one big hit there, solid, had a couple of other hits, but it was songwriting that was their claim to fame.
They were put in the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2002.
You don't know the songs?
How about this?
Ain't no mountain high enough?
I know that one.
You're all I need to get by.
Another great Marvin Gaye, Tammy Terrell hit.
Ain't nothing like the real thing.
Also Marvin Gaye.
Reach out and touch someone's hand.
And one from Chaka Khan called I'm Every Woman.
Pretty good tunes right there.
Those are from Valerie Simpson and the late Nicholas Hashford.
Valerie Simpson is 79 years old today.
On this day in 1967, the number one song was from a movie soundtrack and it was sung by Bobby Gentry.
I was always
surprised Bobby Gentry did not have many more pop hits.
Had some country tunes as well.
But Ode to Billy Joe was the number one song this week in 1967.
Wow.
So I read this and I thought I said Ode to Billy Joe.
Um, that'd be a fun song.
That would be, but Billy Joel did not jump off the Tallahatchie bridge.
No, as it turned out, I don't even know if Billy Joel's been to Tallahatchie, but no, Billy Joe.
Billy Joe jumped off the Tallahatchie bridge.
Frankie Valley's Grease, the title track to the blockbuster film was the number one song this day in 1978.
Let's go over to 1972 where there was a novelty song on the charts by Nielsen.
It peaked on this day at number eight when something like this.
This
gives me back to my point of we just we just don't hear novelties.
You just don't hear people singing about coconuts anymore.
There's not a lot of songs
about
coconut or just or just any other goofy stuff that comes up, right?
Brent, Brentford Masalis is 65 years old today musician and actually the first band leader for Jay Leno when he first took over the tonight show from Johnny Carson and then he was replaced by Kevin Eubanks eventually.
But Branford Marsalis plenty of hits on his own in the jazz world 65 day actress Melissa McCarthy is 55.
And that is just one funny lady.
I mean her her playing Sean Spicer during early in Trump's first term was just so good.
I forgot about that.
Oh,
yeah.
I don't I'm not a huge fan of SNL.
However, I will say the impersonations are a joy.
I love when they do
those.
And the thing is, it didn't, it didn't start that way.
You know, when SNL got to start 50 years ago and Chevy Chase would play the role of President Gerald Ford, he looks nothing like President Ford, but the whole bit was, you know, you're a guy playing him.
So you bought into it, but now it's like you have to make everybody look exactly like the character.
And it, it works.
It just, it wasn't always that way.
Happy birthday to Shirley Manson.
She is 58 years old today.
It's, it's been a while since we've heard from the band Garbage.
See, John Mulaney is 43 years old today.
Kiki Palmer is 32.
The late Leon Redbone was born this day in 1949.
He passed away in 2019, but we still get to hear him every Christmas with baby.
It's cold outside from the Elf soundtrack.
Mother Teresa, the nun, the missionary, later Catholic Saint was born this day in 1910, passed away in 1997.
Let's see.
Let's get back to some music here.
The number one song this week, 30 years ago today was a movie soundtrack by Seal.
That was Batman Forever, which was, I want to say the Val Kilmer one, not the George Clooney one.
I should have pulled that up.
There's only been 700 Batman movies, so you can't blame me for remembering them.
That's the other thing.
Superhero movies, whether it's Marvel or DC or whatever, there's so many.
It's just
too
much to keep up with.
I have no idea how any of that works.
Yeah.
No, it was Val Kilmer because it was also Nicole Kidman.
And yeah, I remember the video and Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones.
Drew Barrymore was in there.
It was it was a big big hit.
Did you just say that Jim Carrey was in a Batman movie?
Yeah, he was the Riddler and Tommy Lee Jones was Harvey Lee Jones was Harvey Dent before he became what the Joker?
If you haven't seen Batman Forever the 1995 film, I highly recommend that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was it was before the films turned really dark with like Christian Bale.
and everybody who's done it from that time, you feel like you want to bring a spotlight with you because the movies are all so dark.
I can't see anything in there.
You know, these are like movies that you could just go see and you could see all the characters doing everything and they still were very, you know, dramatic.
But yeah, Chris O'Donnell was in there playing Robin as well from that movie again 1995 is when that was the number one song in the country.
Alright, let's see.
Catherine Johnson.
Now, I've never seen the full movie.
Is it Hidden Figures?
Yeah, Hidden Figures.
Catherine Johnson was born this day in 1918.
Physicist, mathematician, profiled in Hidden Figures in the book, which inspired the Oscar nominated film.
But Catherine Johnson later went on to receive the National Medal of Freedom from President Barack Obama in 2015.
She passed away in February 2020 at the age of 101.
And is it Taraji P. Henson who plays her, I believe, in the movie?
And again, I've never actually sat and watched the movie, but I've seen lots of clips of it that come through on TikTok and Reels and all that, because clearly it's a film people like Kevin Costner's in there.
And I really do want to sit and watch that thing front to back.
It is a
good movie.
Yeah, I think we watched it in one of my...
classes or something during middle school, I think, because I want to say
that's when that was first coming out.
On your phones?
Did you have to look at your phones?
Yeah, we watched our
phones.
We all had our own headphones on.
It was a group session.
We all just hit play at the same time.
It's a core memory, Pat.
It was very important.
It was very meaningful.
On this day in 2009, kidnapping victim J.C.
Duggart is discovered alive in California after being missing for over 18 years.
And on this day in 1978 at a papal conclave, Albino Luciani was elected to succeed Pope Paul, and he chose the name Pope John Paul I. And he served for about a month before passing away.
and sparking conspiracy theories that last to this day.
I don't
think I knew about that one.
You know about the Pope who was only Pope for about a month?
I did not know
about that.
Oh, yeah.
And then of course, because he passed so suddenly, it's at the remember the Da Vinci code.
Well, no, of course, you don't know.
It was a big time movie.
I've
watched and read the Da Vinci code.
I love
it.
Okay.
Okay.
I believe Dan Brown among many has done some kind of a twist of, you know, a pope being murdered, you know, and so that that gets tied in all the time.
Because this marks the passage of the 19th Amendment today is Women's Equality Day.
today is also this one says national dog day.
But I'm going to be honest with you, folks.
I feel like if not once a week, once every couple of weeks is some variation on a national dog day, or national be nice to your dog day or national feed your dog day or national labradoodle day or whatever.
So you know why that is why because they're man's best friend.
You have to
celebrate them.
I know.
And this one just says national dog day.
So
There you go.
Like you weren't going to be nice to your dog anyway today.
Today is cherry popsicle day.
I haven't had cherry popsicle in forever.
No, I haven't had a popsicle.
There's so many other treats out there now.
I
have like the fudge ones fairly often, but
yeah, love those.
And this is National Toilet Paper Day, which I bring up every year.
even though it's an early morning radio show, because there are just things that we do take for granted and that we did not always have.
Wisconsin became a leading supplier of toilet paper when the technology, when the manufacturing got to the point that you could do that.
It was a Wisconsin plant that advertised the first get this splinter free toilet paper.
tell us you something about the the advances that we have here.
So appreciate appreciate your shaman boys and girls.
Oh, Oh, Alicia, thank you for correcting the record Harvey Dent was two face in the Batman movies.
Yep.
And and then a couple more birthdays I asked what do Chris Pine and Macaulay Culkin have in common.
They were born the same day.
They're both 45 years old today.
It's just that Macaulay Culkin was in home alone when he was, I don't know what, 10 years old, something like that.
Yeah, I just said 12 max.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, Chris Pine, we didn't really see him till much later, but they were both born this day in 1980, making them both 45 years old today.
So there you go.
Oh, Michael and Tulsa, Michael and Tosa, you you were
You were just a bit behind Alicia.
Alicia got hers in on Facebook.
You got yours in on the text line Harvey Dent being two face.
Thank you very much for that.
See, I like this.
I got the best listeners here.
This is great crowd sourcing.
they do.
They keep us on the straight and narrow here.
So still ahead, we're going to be talking in our seven o'clock hour to Hans Brighton Moser, our friend from up in Merrill area of Lincoln County.
And we'll be talking to Sheila Everhart from the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.
along with another guest talking about so-called wedding barns, event barns, the kinds of things that were really dealt a setback in the last legislative session.
And so now they're hoping that lawmakers will, you know, see their mistake and rectify things so that the rural economy can continue to have farms diversifying their income with things like this.
I'm Pat Crightlow.
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Let's see, right now it's 47 degrees here in Chippewa Falls.
It is 49 in Oshkosh.
La Crosse is coming in at 50 right now.
And in Medford in front of the new Ziggy's Coffee, it is 44 degrees there.
As I'm poking around looking for other headlines around northern Wisconsin, places like that.
And I saw this note about this new Ziggy's coffee shop going up in Medford, supposed to open today.
Hopefully they got off the ground.
But it's definitely this family business situation where they had the groundbreaking months ago, and you just see the little kids and then as the place is being built, the kids are running around and they're pretending to serve coffee out the drive through window, you know,
except
they're
And they're handing over like dandelion.
Here's your dandelion latte.
You know,
it was
it was adorable.
So so I hope things went well for them out there today.
They got that Ziggy's coffee going there.
There's another chain called scooters.
I want to say they recently opened up one in at least one in Eau Claire and
I believe I saw them going up somewhere else not too long ago as well.
So I don't know if that's is that a relatively new chain or is it just new to Wisconsin?
I don't.
I'm not sure.
I
feel like I've heard of that, which is rare for me.
One of those where, you know, it's just it's basically it's just a drive through, you know, and that that can make you a little crazy.
because we built, not we built, but in Chippewa, there was recently a caribou coffee that went up over by me and went up with the, there's a festival and a quick trip and it covers making it the most Wisconsin interchange ever.
Right
off Highway 29 at Seymour Cray.
And there's this little caribou in a Taco Bell.
And shortly after it was built,
was reaching out to somebody about, you know, getting a cup of coffee.
And we said, Well, let's just meet at the at the caribou there, that brand new one.
And we'll we'll sit inside for a while and we'll get some coffee and we'll catch up.
Got there and realized no, it's a it's a drive through only situation.
I knew it was small.
It was a small building.
But like, no, no inside service whatsoever.
And it wasn't a great day either.
So we both just kind of got our thing we sat in in our cars and kind of talked to each other out
the window
windows.
Yes.
Cause it was looking like it wanted to rain or something like that.
Like, and there was no place else closer.
The Culver's wasn't done getting built yet.
So
that is the most like 2020 COVID story I've ever heard.
Isn't it
though?
It's, uh, it was that or go inside the, the festival and just like walk up and down the, the canned goods aisles as we're, as we're talking politics or whatever the case may be.
That's
awesome.
I know.
I mean, these coffee places that, you know, they are just, they're, they're springing up like, like crazy.
Alicia's telling us on YouTube, we've got a scooters in Darboy.
Hey, if you're in Darboy, I mean, your place is not Darboy is, is just outside of Appleton.
I've never heard that.
Darboy was known out in that area for having basically a wedding hall dance hall, the name of which escapes me and I'm sure Alicia's going to put it on YouTube there, but it was right at the main intersection in little Darboy.
And of course, my wife is from that part of the state.
And so everybody had been out to Darboy for a wedding at some point or another is one of those where there was a reception hall on one level, and then a on a lower level as well, because it was on kind of a
a slope.
So there was parking down below as well.
And I just could not believe when I saw it being torn down one day, I thought is have weddings and traditional wedding receptions and things.
Have they fallen that far out of style that, you know, a wedding hall can't make it anymore?
Luke notes that most festivals in their area have a bar where you can grab a table and eat now.
I've seen festivals where they have tables where you can go up and eat, you know, you get something from the deli.
Yeah.
But now, now a bar.
What's it called?
I know high V has has bars in there as well.
And once again, here we are doing alcohol talk at six 57 in the morning.
But I can't believe I feel like alcohol talk at six 57 in the morning is as fitting as a bar in a grocery store.
There, that's fair enough.
Yes.
We've
We've talked about friends of ours who have retired, but then it just didn't hold.
They just couldn't, they wanted to do something else.
And I know one particular doctor, when he retired, he finally took a job as a bartender in a high V, just to have a little something else to do, which was a heck of a way to meet your former patients, you know, to see the double take.
Because you know how it's like if you see somebody not in the setting you're used to seeing them in?
Yeah.
And yeah, you're not expecting, well, first off, you're not expecting to be ordering a whiskey sour in a high V. And yet there you are.
So why wouldn't it be coming from your doctor, right?
Why not?
Yeah.
I mean, this is all a little weird enough experience.
Let's just make it a little weirder.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's see.
Charles from Eau Claire texting in the wedding hall, I believe, was literally called the Darboy Club.
If I remember, I haven't been there for for quite some time.
That that could very well be.
But yeah, been been to a lot of weddings there.
And we've I've done I've done the chicken dance more times than I want to tell you, except the very first one,
the very first
wedding where the chicken dance was played on that very first but one of the first was a relatively new song, our wedding, our wedding 1986.
The chicken dance was like this new popular thing.
And it
was,
we danced every song at our wedding reception, every song except that one.
That's when we took a break to cut the cake.
Okay, good.
And then it was right back out there because we had a polka band and we had extended families that they just wanted to dance and we just wanted to dance.
And it was a great day.
And our feet, they hurt so bad the next day.
But you know what?
Our faces hurt too.
Our faces hurt from smiling all day.
There you
go.
That's that's a nice problem to have.
All right, coming up in our seven o'clock hour, we will talk to meteorologist Brittany Merleau and get the full forecast.
We'll talk more about the brewers beating Arizona yesterday.
And we will talk about ways to help out the farm economy diversify the many ways that you can do business on the farm.
That's all ahead.
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Hey, good morning.
It is 706.
Nice to have you back here up north on this Tuesday morning, August 26.
Parker Olson is our producer down in Madison at Studio A2 of the World Headquarters of Civic Media at the top of State Street, just a block away from the state capitol and meteorologist Brittney Merleau joins us as well.
Still, is that a hoodie
you got going there?
Um, I don't know.
It's like a t-shirt hoodie.
So just mon sleeves.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's all
right.
Well, I was mentioning that I've got a daughter and grandkids who came up from Texas yesterday.
And it had been so long, you know, they moved there from Idaho.
And in Idaho, you just wore hoodies year round, basically,
you know.
And the older grandson, who yesterday was his 19th birthday, and he makes his comment like he didn't pack any hoodies because in Texas, they haven't had to wear one for the longest time, gets up here and it's in the 40s.
And we had to lend them a hoodie.
how funny he's like, wait, it's been a minute since I've had this many hoodies, right?
Right?
But I was all fine.
And again, you know, when they're used to temperatures in the 90s, every stinking day, you know, this, this was,
I was
gonna say it was part refreshing.
They are actually cold.
They were cold for a while when they were first here.
Oh, absolutely.
They'll go from that to this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They'll acclimate though.
I think
I
think they'll do fine.
How are we doing on it for today?
How are we looking?
Ooh, pretty chilly up north.
Kings hit 34 degrees just a couple of minutes ago.
It's about 36 right now in Eagle River and Manitwish Waters.
37 degrees all the way into Hayward, Solon Springs, Merrill, Tomahawk, Antigo.
Yeah, a lot more places got cooler this evening or overnight than yesterday.
So what we're doing right now, mid-40s to mid-50s for most of the state is what it is outside.
We've got Patchy Fog far northeast.
but mostly sunny skies and it's going to stay bright and beautiful all day.
Calm or winds are expected and highs today slightly warmer, mid to upper sixties with a few seventies out there.
Overnight tonight, we'll start to see more clouds moving in.
We've got another system pushing through tomorrow.
A cold front arrives.
I know we're already chilly, so we don't need another cold front.
It's just going to reinforce the fact that we're going to stay a little below average as we go into the weekend, unfortunately.
So the cold front will spark a few scattered showers, maybe some rumbles of thunder tomorrow afternoon far northeast.
Then it'll start working its way through the rest of the state at night and overnight.
We're all going to see a little bit of that.
None are going to be severe.
probably just a quarter inch of rain with those mid 70s tomorrow.
So it is going to bring a little bit warmer temperatures.
But behind it, Thursday, we fall to the mid 60s to about 70 degrees again, and then into the weekend, we're looking at upper 60s, mid 70s, and that holds steady all weekend long.
Monday, we get a little bit warmer and even warmer as we go into next week.
But staying on the cooler side below average for Labor Day weekend, it looks like dry, though.
Oh, okay, we'll take try.
That's that's a big
part of it.
I
mean, again, we can we can wear we can wear hoodies, you know, for Labor Day weekend, but better than ponchos, you know,
I would much rather be dry
or parkas, you know, so this is all okay.
Okay, I got to tell you in Wisconsin Rapids, I heard there was a man walking yesterday morning in a full parka, but shorts.
a full parka, but shorts.
That's that's very Midwestern.
You know, we're doing
it.
You know, any college campus, you'll see somebody with a shirt out, but still in shorts.
It just seems to
be seems to be our thing.
The 11 year old was going through TSA security in the Dallas airport yesterday, and it was had to go back through again, because he did have a hoodie on, but it's oversized.
And the TSA person was like, Do you have hands?
Yeah.
Walk back through again to make sure we can see your hands and not anything you might literally have up your sleeve.
Those
kids in their fashions, I tell you.
They have the sleeves and they just whack them around.
Oh,
they get.
Yes, they do.
Of course.
You know, he he he's also been being an 11 year old boy.
First thing he
did
was he started chasing rat.
We have rabbit, you know, bunny rabbits running out, out of the woods out in the backyard and he's chasing them down.
I'm like, if he catches one, I'm not firing up the grill.
He's got to let it go.
You know, just kind of a wild child.
Thank you,
Brittany.
We'll talk to
you next hour.
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Rob says, good morning from Tigerton Sunny and 47 degrees.
Yesterday, I had my doctor's appointment with Dr. Elizabeth.
It went well.
Yesterday afternoon, had a mowing job.
I have mowing jobs today in Wittenberg.
He said, yesterday I mowed lawn.
I had my sweatshirt and it truly felt like autumn.
I had to get my jacket and coat in the truck and get them washed for fall.
And he says, remember two years ago,
It was very hot on Labor Day weekend near 100 degrees, whereas Tigerton was down to 46 for an overnight low last night, which, yes, is definitely chilly, but not the 30s that Brittany was just telling us about in certain communities here.
Also from the mailbag, let's see, from Jonathan talking about the Trump bill.
The Trump mega bill is actually pretty popular.
So many Wisconsinites are proud and excited for this bill.
I am one of them.
Woke is dead.
The Democrat Party is dead.
The money flow from laundering is done.
The globalists are finished.
America is being restored.
And I am proud to be part of it.
So there's that from the mailbag today.
Let's go to sports.
The Milwaukee Brewers have a series going on right now against the Arizona Diamondbacks at American Family Field.
The game featured two different five-run rallies.
The first one was by the Brewers in the third inning, scoring five runs.
And then they added one more.
And Arizona was down 6-0 before they had their own five-run rally in the sixth inning.
But then Caleb Durbin homered for the second straight game.
There was also a home run by Andrew Monasterio to help the Brewers beat the Diamondbacks 7-5 last night.
Monasterio and Christian Yelich and William Contreras each had two hits as Milwaukee continues to lead the National League Central Division.
Jacob Mizorowski is on the mound tonight for game two and the pregame for that begins at 6.05 this evening on several stations across the Civic Media radio network.
And then Parker, what was I saying before in terms of roster cut downs for the Packers today from 90 to 53?
Yeah.
I believe is what I said last hour.
Yep.
So
we should be looking for those notes today.
And again, I don't know well enough.
I mean, I know there's a practice squad.
I assume some of them become part of this practice squad.
I don't know how big that is.
I believe I think it's seven.
And then what?
I mean, for all of the others, do they just go back to, you know, driving truck or whatever they were doing?
Yeah, that is kind of the
Because
I always think
about Kurt Kurt Warner.
I guess there's
a
movie coming about him how he went from like begging groceries one year and to Super Bowl MVP the next year when he came
on both
the Rams to help them win the Super Bowl.
Yeah,
I don't know if it
is, but it should be.
It was it was a very unique Cinderella story.
Yes.
Without a doubt.
So again, we'll look for the Packer roster moves and
Let's see, Mike Lemons is covering training camp in Green Bay, and we'll tell us more.
If not later today, then tomorrow, what to look for for cut downs from the Packers.
We've been following a story that came up earlier this morning about Vice President JD Vance is apparently coming to La Crosse.
The early reports said Tuesday, but I've also seen a report that said Thursday, so I'm still waiting to see any final details here.
but we will be eventually seeing the vice president somewhere in the La Crosse area at a steel fabricating facility that was not yet named in the early reports.
Here to talk up the big bloated boondoggle, the thing that one of our commenters said was actually pretty popular when there's actually no polling that says that it's popular and is going to try to prop up the idea of giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy and you pay for it.
And so do our grandkids by jacking up the deficit to record amounts.
So along with having to prop that up, he's having to prop up the Congressman for this area, Derek Van Orden from the Third Congressional District.
And again, we've got a Congressman who is saying things like there are no cuts to Medicaid in this bill.
Nobody who deserves their Medicaid benefits will have their Medicaid benefits cut and other
fantasies.
And so whenever J.D.
Vance and Derek Van Orden do this, and I assume Derek Van Orden will be there, it'd be news if the congressman is not there when the vice president comes to your district.
But regardless, just come back here the next day and expect some, you know, aggressive fact checking on it.
Because again, the tax relief that was promised in there
is very temporary to the middle class.
I mean, what gets me is that we've been to this rodeo before, where it sold as tax breaks for the middle class, but they expire after a couple of years.
But the corporate breaks and the breaks for the highest brackets, they don't expire.
Or if they do, it's at a period where, again, they don't get dinged for blowing up the deficit.
because they call for those things to expire, you know, 10 years down the road when some other Congress has to deal with it.
Well, here we are all those years later, eight years later from the original Trump tax bill.
Again, those tax breaks were going to expire.
But because Trump got back in office, we get to continue them again.
And this time, we're going to jack up the deficit another $4 trillion and see
just massive cuts all around to Medicaid, which is also going to impact Medicare, Social Security.
That's on top of the trade war, which has got farmers and manufacturers concerned.
So yes, so well, when the vice president comes to town, we're going to be very careful in taking down exactly what he says, and then telling you exactly how it's going to be turning out instead.
There is, you know, rightfully a lot of concern out there right now with some of what, you know, Trump is putting out, for example, taking over, you know, 10% of Intel.
That's not going over well with some conservatives who can't seem to figure out why Trump is embracing socialism.
That's the headline in Futurism magazine.
Trump embraces socialism is nationalizing a failing chip maker in talking about taking a $9 billion share of Intel's stock in exchange for, you know, escaping tariff or trade war concerns.
And it is Intel's basically getting
it's lunch money taken from Nvidia.
Intel is basically, you know, yesterday's news.
But the government taking over part of an American company is not sitting well with some people whose conservative credentials are
a little longer lasting than Donald Trump's.
There's conservative radio host Eric Erickson who says so many of you were opposed to Mamdani, the New York City mayoral candidate, wanting to seize the means of production in New York City, but you're totally fine with the U.S.
government becoming the largest shareholder of Intel.
This is socialism with an R next to its name.
And Republican Senator Rand Paul expressed similar concerns when he said, today it's Intel, tomorrow it could be any industry, a future Commerce Secretary decides to control.
If conservatives endorse this now, they hand Democrats a blueprint to expand government ownership over the private sector later.
Socialism is literally government control of the means of production.
So if these...
Longstanding Republicans get it.
Will we hear more from, I don't know, the Ron Johnson's, the Derrick Van Ordens, and the Tom Tiffany's out there?
Or is this just not your grandfather's brand of conservatism, but conservative socialism?
I'm Pat Crightlow.
You're listening to the Civic Media Radio Network.
Back now with Dan Hagen from News Watch 12, WJFWTV in Rhinelander on this Tuesday morning where it is 48 degrees here on Lake Wissota.
It is 51 in New Richmond in front of Busy Bean Coffee and closer to Dan at the Briar House Coffee Shop in Rhinelander on Keenan Street there.
It's a cool 42 degrees in Rhinelander right now.
Mr. Hagen, how are you?
It's great.
It feels like fall.
I should get some apple cider.
Maybe go apple pick picking get some pumpkin pie.
Oh, you got you got all the bases covered here.
We were talking coffee during the break here.
And you said something that I had not heard from anybody before.
But then last hour, I didn't know much about cell phones and classrooms.
So we're just I'm learning all kinds of things today.
I'm learning that Dan Hagen puts a little touch of maple syrup in his coffee.
That's right.
So I got some coffee right here.
That
doesn't look like coffee.
It looks like chocolate milk.
Well, I put some whole milk in there.
Okay.
And I put some maple syrup and I do that with my coffee every morning and it's great.
And I just, I can't stand the coffees at, there's a lot of fine local establishments here that
A lot of people enjoy, but they're just it's usually too sweet for me.
So I just
put in maple syrup.
It's just like it's like a it's like a teaspoon.
OK, OK, just enough for flavor and not to make it
if you get a mocha like at a normal place, like
it's
going to be like a freaking sugar bomb.
I can't I can't handle
it.
And when I so when I do get a mocha at a place, that's exactly what I'm looking for is something like that.
But again, it I'm not going to do that.
every day because I mean, I don't even know what they go for now six, seven, eight bucks, you know, for, for, you know, a beverage that is what's the old saying the business model for coffee shop beans, water, profit.
Right.
It seems it's I'm so frugal as a person.
So yeah, I just I get by with the coffee that I make and I like it.
And, you know,
probably saving some money down the line.
I
suppose, I suppose.
As we look at stories that you're following up there in the Northwoods, I noticed, and I did get a note from Kirk Bangsted yesterday, that the criminal defamation charge against him has been dropped for this long running feud that he has with Greg Walker, the publisher of the Lakeland Times.
There's still a lot to be said about Kirk Bangstead and either his legal woes or his legal harassment, depending on, you know, how you want to look at this.
But the criminal defamation thing, that's something that was really rare in Wisconsin.
So I guess I'm not entirely surprised to see that it was dropped.
Yeah, it's a very seldom used, you know, charge.
Civil defamation is something that
things that has been found liable in after he
Said that he publisher of the newspaper and by the way if you've been to the Monaco burn company in Monaco Across the street is the Lakeland Times the newspaper that he's had a feud with and He's been found liable of civil defamation for saying that the general manager or rather the publisher Excuse me of the Lakeland Times basically let his brother die Just a completely made-up story.
So he was basically found liable and had to pay the largest defamation
payout in wisconsin history although insurance covered a lot of that but anyway back to the task at hand this week so these criminal defamation charges have just been dropped basically um i read the court document and it comes down to just free speech you know he's allowed to say what he wants and he marked that it was parody in um he depicted the general manager and publisher in a lewd uh cartoon
yes he did which again
That's something that you can do under the First Amendment.
The other thing that you mentioned, Bankstead Essence apologized for, again, has made this payment for the defamation thing, did indeed cross a line there.
But I always think that folks hear that, and they think that that undoes a lot of the other harassment, I think is safe to call it, by authorities there who are enforcing what I'd call the broken tail light.
thing where, you know, they'll pull you over for a broken taillight and then they'll charge you with first degree murder, you know, or something along those lines because, you know, they just don't like having somebody that liberal and that brash calling them out for some of the things that they do.
And Kirk sometimes does not help his own case.
But a lot of the times he's not wrong either.
Or regardless, it gives plenty of fodder for
News organizations like yours to cover I would not read the Lakeland Times for coverage of that I've said before I could make a cottage industry out of Simply responding to everything the Lakeland Times gets wrong on their editorial pages every week I've been saying that for over a decade, but they are what they are everybody knows what the the Lakeland Times is and if you if you
If you like it, you like it despite whatever the information is on there.
But I would strongly recommend that people have a broad sense of where they get their news from, including, you know, what you're doing up there in NewsWatch 12.
So what other stories are you looking at or having fun with on what is otherwise I suppose a slow summer week?
Yeah, you know, it's it's slow up here.
There's a community church that insane or that they're trying to get restored and rehabilitated.
So they've been raising money for that.
You know, I actually took the day off yesterday.
I went backpacking this weekend on the North Country Trail.
I don't know if you know about this, Pat, but it's the longest national scenic trail in the country.
And I did a small section with some friends in Iron County.
So that was a good time.
And I'm planning a trip to the Boundary Waters right now as well.
So, you know, my mind is a little more focused on me right now during the dark days of summer.
And why shouldn't it be?
I mean, we're shut-ins for the winter by and large.
You know, a few people will do their winter sports for me.
What do I always say?
My winter recreation is walking out to the hot tub.
And that's it.
So you got to get out and enjoy the summer while you can.
So, Dan, you've earned it.
Thanks for getting up early with us and enjoy your coffee and maple syrup.
Of course.
And I wore this, you know, fleece for you, Pat.
The Fred Flintstone fleece is alive and well.
We love it.
Thanks, Pat.
Thank you, Dan.
Talk to you later.
In a moment, we're going to talk to Hans Breitenmoser.
We're going to talk to Sheila Everhart from the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.
Gene Bond will be joining us as well to talk about event barns and the ways that the Wisconsin legislature could be doing better things for farmers who want to diversify what they do as part of the rural economy.
I'm Pat Critello.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
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We're going to be talking in just a sec to Sheila Everhart from the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association, and Gene Bond, who has one of the event barns that are impacted by legislation that could affect certain farm businesses around the state.
But as always, we start with our friend Hans Brighton Moser, a dairy farmer from up in Lincoln County near Merrill.
And Hans, good morning.
I was just here
Pam Yankee on the Midwest Farm Report talked about, you know, harvesting already taking place that corn for silage was 2% harvested already, but I also just heard Brittany Merlose say temperatures are in the 30s up in your neck of the woods.
So how are things overall?
They're cold up here.
You guys were talking about hoodies earlier and my daughter walked in and was underdressed as usual and so I loaned her my hoodie because she had to go outside and deal with her horse and so forth.
So
yeah, it's
cool.
It's like 39 degrees up here this morning.
Yeah.
And we're both without our hoodies because we had we had the youths who needed those instead.
So yeah, that's fine.
Oh, Parker.
I came prepared.
I've got my hoodie.
That's true.
Parker does have a hoodie on there.
But things are things are good up otherwise by you in terms of field work.
Yes.
Yeah.
As a matter of
fact, we're going to start mowing fourth crop of our regular hay stands today in the second crop of the new seeding today as well.
So we've got this.
This will be likely the last hay crop that we make.
And then, yeah, corn silage harvest for us will probably begin in maybe two weeks, depending on what the weather does.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Third cutting for hay is 89% complete around the state, according to the new ag figures.
And fourth cutting is 31% complete so far.
And not everybody, depending on the season necessarily gets four cuttings throughout the season, do they?
Yeah, no, though, for sure.
And again, it depends on the weather.
But if we can get started early enough in spring with first crop, which is to say getting that first cutting done in the last week of May or the first week of June, that sort of sets us up for success.
And there are some hey meadows that are questionable whether they really pay to cut or not.
But most of them look
halfway decent.
We should get a halfway decent crop and it should be decent quality as well.
Sounds good.
And and we've talked about before about, you know, farmers being able to diverse diversify their businesses for things like tourism and events.
And that's where we bring in Sheila Everhart from the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.
Jean Bond is here as well.
She has Farm View Event Barn in Berlin.
Sheila Jean, good morning to both of you as well.
Morning.
Good morning.
Sheila let's let's pick up where we've we've spoken before about the overhaul in Wisconsin's liquor laws act 73 from a year or two ago and it had a dreadful impact on basically event barns In the way that it restricted the number of events they could do without having to go through all the hoops for a liquor license And there's been this talk of having so-called trailer bills follow-up bills that would address this inequity
But Sheila, is there any progress to report on that so far?
I'd like to report that the citizens.
and voters are really reaching out to their elected officials.
The constituents have sent 698 letters forward to Madison saying, hey, elected official, we want you to correct this injustice of Act 73.
We're moving into Labor Day and we want to talk about economic liberty and the opportunity to earn a living.
to talk about diversification for family farms.
And this X73 really just strangles a working farm.
that is seasonally temporary permitted, that is not interested in having a liquor license.
They are interested in renting space.
So we want to talk about this with our elected officials, not only the impact on the farmer, but the impact on the consumer and what X73, how the impact is on the tax paper.
I
think a lot of people don't understand that X73 created a whole nother division in office.
at the Department of Revenue that is going to be specifically for alcohol enforcement, and it's going to cost the taxpayer additional money.
Well, let's get Gene's perspective on this.
Gene Bonn, you've got Farm View Event Barn, and so you can talk a bit personally about what the change in the law through Act 73 has done to you and others, right?
Yeah.
Especially now this year, consumers are becoming more aware of this.
So typically by this time of year, I am just about fully booked for the following year.
Weddings, venues are usually the first thing a couple of books because they go quickly.
So right now I just struggled to get my sixth allowed with alcohol consumption.
So I'm booked.
But that's again, six a year, which is only 30% of what I typically would book.
So that's my revenue gone.
I'm also finding a lot of consumers who even at that are unwilling to be restricted to what they can serve their guests at their own private party because this law prohibits them from serving any spirits.
They can only have beer and wine.
don't like being controlled like that.
And they're finding too that it's going to cost them a lot more money when they have to go to a place for their private party, but go to a public place that sells alcohol and the additional costs that cost them for that part of their celebration.
It's very much more expensive than if you go legally purchase it yourself at.
a Costco or something and serve it to your guests.
So it's hurting.
My vendors are just now realizing it's going to hurt them, the DJs, the caterers, the florists, the bakers, all of them are now realizing if I don't have weddings and the other two venues in my county aren't having one every week, that's going to cut into my bottom line.
Yeah.
As you mentioned, you're limited to six events a year and you have a column that you wrote online that says, a simple change from six to 36 events would benefit Wisconsinites.
This would basically what
Cost of the state, nothing other than bringing in more tax revenue, help farms stay viable, consumers would regain some of these options that they've lost.
And so Sheila, that's where we're looking right now is a bill that would go from taking that limit from six to 36.
Is that what we're hoping to get past here?
Yes, we want reprieve actually we were looking at it would be amazing because that x73 exempted a lot of properties and we're kind of really perplexed as to why a working farm Can't be exempt if there is a hotel Motel bed and breakfast are exempt a campground is exempt a vacation rental is exempt property private yards
parking lots, anywhere around a professional stadium is exempt.
So, you know, quite easily, let's just exempt a working farm that offers seasonal temporary permitted private events that helps the farm diversify.
So simple, one sentence, easily done.
No taxpayer cost.
Hans, again, you've talked about allowing farms to diversify in different ways, and I would imagine that this has been a hot topic up in your part of the state as well.
Yeah, and it's because a lot of farms up in my neck of the woods have, you know,
Switch gears and aren't milking cows anymore and so forth And I think the other thing that that is important to remember in this is the historical aspect of it Which is to say a lot of these event barns are old bank barns.
They're old barns that have You know that were built in the late 1800s early 1900s.
There's a lot of history there and
maintaining a barn like that costs money.
And so it has to sort of be reinvented to make sure that there's enough income to keep a roof on that barn so it doesn't fall down and we have more urban blight than we already have.
So I just feel like there's anything that keeps these old barns standing and in good condition is something that would be good for the rural landscape for sure.
Gene, do you want to piggyback on that as far as the cost to upkeep?
Yeah, our barn had set empty after we got rid of our dairy herd for about 10 years and Empty barn just does not hold up.
So absolutely How am I going to maintain that facility?
I have so many other fixed costs that my insurance isn't changing because I'm only having six a year and many other things So it's going to be difficult to come up with the extra cash The volatility of our crops here on our farm
We have a great corn crop too.
I heard you talking earlier, but quite a bit is down flat after the big storm last Saturday.
So are the Saturday before.
So yeah, the money is gone and it's really difficult to think of ways to replace that.
Sheila, what's the the easiest way that folks can show their support for this issue?
Well, really hook on to Pat's website here and.
Click on the link for the quorum to send your voice directly to your representative and senator.
Like I said, there were 698 letters sent so far.
Join us.
Let your voice be heard.
uh reach out to your elected official whether it's your republican senator or your republican uh representative and our democratic senators and representatives um really just reach out and talk to your neighbor um let your consumers know that hey your brides and grooms this is going to cost you
a lot of extra money for future weddings and not only that is it is going to impact the farm on farm.
wedding industry overall.
And you know, Wisconsin has been a leader in agricultural tourism.
We have been having on-farm weddings since before we were a state in 1848.
This business model of private events on working farms has been operational for 41 years with no absolutely none.
documented issues or problems.
And so why did this have to be changed?
It didn't other than somebody had an issue or spite.
It's a dangerous precedent.
I mean, they're starting now to control what you can drink based on where you are and who owns that place.
I just look at it from that perspective.
This is
to me quite serious that they feel they should have the power to do
that.
Gene Bond has the Farm View Event Barn in Berlin and Sheila Everhart is with the Wisconsin Agricultural Tourism Association.
Hans Bright and Moser has always joined us from up in Lincoln County and we always get such a good education on all the many topics that can make for a stronger or weaker rural economy depending on which way our lawmakers want to go.
Hans, Sheila, Gene, thank you all very much.
Appreciate your time today.
Thank you.
All right.
Have a great day, everybody.
All right.
Well, we will pause here.
And in our eight o'clock hour, we will be talking to Dan Schaefer from the Recombobulation area.
He's also the political editor for Civic Media.
And along with some of these political topics about what the legislature could be working on, we'll also talk about classroom bans on cell phones as we start a new school year.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Time for us to go way up north as we do each week at this time.
And joining us this week from the Ashland area is State Representative Angela Stroud.
Angela, hello, how are you?
I'm well, thanks.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Nice to see you.
And, you know, we're in that period after the state budget before the fall session.
really gets kicked off and looking through your Facebook posts, they see a lot of town halls, a lot of opportunities to give a listen to folks.
I hope you're drawing a few attentive crowds out there for your ability to talk about what's happening in Madison.
You know, I always do.
It's amazing to me how many people will show up to have a conversation about the issues that matter to them.
So I do a lot of town halls.
I think they're super important in a democracy, but I'm always stunned.
town hall in Washburn that regularly happens, it can be 100 people standing room only.
It's really incredible.
I don't know that it was always that way.
I mean, I've had lots of listening sessions, you know, one or two of them would have a pretty good sized crowd.
But I feel like more people than ever want to come to things like this because they feel both motivated and maybe a little, maybe they first felt a little powerless and realized that
they could go talk to a legislator like you and learn more about, you know, what exactly is happening in Madison and Washington, or yeah, Madison, Washington DC.
Yeah, you know, I think that we've kind of lost sight of what's needed in a democracy.
you know we think of it in the last you know I don't know when it started I won't pick a date but it's like you vote and that's pretty much it and that's really not what democracy was ever supposed to be or what it should be or what it needs to be to make it healthy and it's one of those things where sometimes you don't know what you had till you could see that you might lose it and you know I think that's part of why in this moment people are waking up and saying like what would it mean to have an actual thriving responsive democracy and one of the things I get most at these town halls is
wow you're so available you're always responding you're always available to listen to me like where are our other representatives and I always told them that's an excellent question and you should ask them that.
You noted in a post this summer when talking about the state budget debate that being a faculty member yourself you it really you took it personally that there was a republican provision about a workload requirement for UW faculty.
Can you explain a bit about
you know, that kind of level of micromanagement from politicians that should certainly concern all of us.
I appreciate this question so
much.
The state has all kinds of contradictions built into it.
And, you know, and the Republican Party in particular has contradictions.
They say things like, we don't like red tape.
We don't like bureaucracy unless it's about the UW system.
And then we want to create all kinds of red tape and bureaucracy because what we like less than that is higher ed.
And
Also, they're creating this administrative burden that means they're going to have to hire more staff.
So every argument I have heard when I sit in committee for higher ed that they're constantly making on the Republican side, they just undermine that by passing this provision in the budget that would micromanage at the university level, the campus level, the workload of faculty.
And to explain how absurd this is, like, Northland College, where I worked, that closed this year, tiny college.
you know 500 students 47 faculty at that scale we couldn't figure out a standard workload across the entire faculty because every faculty member is different they're doing different forms of service different forms of engagement with students different I mean in my floor speech on this which I was very fired up about um I pointed out the workload of a faculty member isn't just teaching
it's so many other things that help keep a college running or a university running.
And so the idea that the legislature and all its infinite wisdom is going to come in and decide if one size fits all workload requirement is not just absurd, it's insulting and it's a complete violation of how we should be operating.
Excuse me.
No, that's fine.
Again, you only got two minutes for the floor speech in the assembly, so I'm letting you get out whatever you want to get out now.
It was 120 passionate in 10 seconds, I can tell you.
So we're talking to the State Representative Angela Straub from Ashland.
And before we go along with the listening sessions, there are those other positive aspects of being a legislator that I remember so well.
You attended, for example, the opening of the Bad River Health and Wellness Center to strengthen that community.
And what a contrast to see you doing that, participating with the Bad River versus what we're getting from Congressman Tom Tiffany, you know, the Senate President, Mary Falskowski, and others who are attacking the lack to flambeau community for trying to protect some degree of sovereignty on their land.
Look, if I were in a position, I'd rather be in your shoes trying to help these communities to grow and flourish.
I mean, not only is that what you would expect from any representative, right?
These are our constituents.
So the idea that you would demonize a segment of them is unethical.
But also the federal government made treaties with the sovereign nations.
And those treaties mean we have a legal and moral obligation to live up to what we said we would do.
That's not.
partisan.
That's just ethical.
And so it is a great honor to represent Bad River and Red Cliff.
And you do that by having relationships and figuring out what each side needs and working together.
And so I see it as one of the great honors of representing this district and the animosity that other representatives seem to have toward tribal nations.
I think is indicative of a real failure of moral leadership.
And people really should call it out more and recognize it from what it is, which is it's it's racist, it's insulting, and it's extraordinarily problematic.
Glad to hear so glad I don't have to hear myself say this over and over again.
I've left us less than a minute here, but you were at a school board meeting last night.
And again, the overview of it was that school districts continue to struggle and that the latest state budget is not that much more helpful.
Yeah, I mean, in my district, the biggest problem we have is property values keep going up.
And that's just because property is increasing.
That's not anything the school board's doing.
But what happens when property values go up?
and state fails to do its part to fund general aid for students, is that now what taxpayers are going to see is that the school district is taking more.
But that's not the school district's fault.
That's the failure of Madison.
And what I fear is that we're in this moment where Republicans have been pretty savvy and they're finding ways to get people to demonize public schools so that it makes it easier to pass things like voucher systems, which otherwise people find really objectionable.
So I think this is part of a larger strategy.
State Representative Angela Stroud joining us from way up north in Ashland.
Representative Stroud, good to see you.
Thank you very much for your time.
Great to see you.
Thanks for having me.
You bet.
Safe travels.
Thank you very much.
We'll be talking to Chad Holmes and Dan Schaefer and an updated forecast from Brittany Merlot coming up after the eight o'clock news.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
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Good morning.
It is 806 on this Tuesday morning, August 26.
Nice to have you back here up north.
Barker Olson is producing this program down in Madison at Studio A2.
Chad Holmes is standing by from Wausau to chat with us about stories he's following for among the many local reports that you are heard throughout the day or throughout the morning on our show from 6 to 9 a.m.
Meteorologist Brittany Merlot standing by as well.
We were recently talking with State Representative Angela
of Stroud and on the text line, Jim and Brookfield says, the interview with Representative Stroud was awesome, a passionate, intelligent state representative who hits the nail on the head regarding the issues we face.
We need more representatives like her.
Jim, I appreciate that.
Thanks for sending that text in.
And let's see from...
Alicia on YouTube, she said that she was at a listening session with her state senator, Republican Eric Wimberger, last night on veterans housing and recovery programs.
And it was standing room only, she says, a full room of veterans in the Howard Swamicle area worried about the Green Bay location shutting down.
Same as here in Chippewa Falls, because again, it either
Got forgotten or dropped or for whatever reason when it was brought to the attention of Republicans in the legislature They refused to put the funding back into the state budget and so these programs that aim to address homelessness among our veterans a couple of these sites are looking at
potentially closing unless the legislature does something right away when it comes back into session.
So we'll follow that story as well.
You can always use our text line here through the Civic Media app or you can leave comments on Facebook or YouTube and you are able to watch us live, not just listen to us across the terrestrial radio here.
Let's bring in Brittany Merleau and Chad Holmes as well.
Brittany is going to start with a forecast.
It is a beautiful morning.
Cooler than we're used to, but still.
beautiful nonetheless.
It wakes you up a little bit, right?
You're gonna go jolt in the morning.
Well, yeah, because it's very bright, unlike Sunday up here was really overcast, really
dark and
cold.
So here it's cooler.
But at least it looks really nice out there.
It sure does, and it's going to stay that way pretty much all week long.
The only thing that I am tracking is the fact that we have another cold front pushing through the state, and that's going to arrive tomorrow in the evening and then through the overnight and into our Thursday morning, bringing a little bit of rain, maybe some rumbles of thunder, but nothing strong, nothing severe, nothing too major either.
It really looks just like a tenth of an inch of rain to about a quarter inch, maybe a half an inch as possible into places in the Northwoods.
as this passes through, but it is gonna keep us down into those low seventies to mid sixties as we go through the week.
So that's what we're looking at today, mid to upper sixties, a few seventies, much calmer winds out there this afternoon.
We'll see those clouds increasing overnight tonight and then a chance for some spotty sprinkles far northeast tomorrow.
Otherwise, a lot of those clouds hold off until the evening.
Like I said, they'll move in with that front, a little bit of rain,
at night overnight and then we go back to those mid sixties about 70 degrees on Thursday and then the weekend Labor Day weekend upper sixties to mid seventies warming things up Sunday and Monday.
as we get a little bit warmer there.
So a little bit cooler maybe than some of us want, but it is going to be a dry, bright and beautiful Labor Day weekend.
All the rain chances stay away from us.
That's OK.
And Robin Tigerton reminds us it was two years ago Labor Day weekend.
Very hot temperatures were pushing near 100 degrees.
But this weekend, Sean O County Fair begins along some of the other fairs, county fairs around the state.
He says, but as for now, perfect mowing weather still got to stay hydrated.
We've got Rob trained really well on staying
hydro.
So
good on him.
And that Shawnee County fair is so much fun.
I got to tell you a little story.
So I used to be on TV and I used to, you know, do the early morning shows.
Well, I really wanted to do the races that they do, the dirt track races.
So I called up some race car drivers, you know, the tractor pole drivers.
I didn't think how early it was.
I think I woke up the entire town having them race around for me for TV.
It was hysterical, but
oh no.
So you had them racing for your TV report about
this.
Yeah, five, six, seven a.m.
It was great.
You're
the one that
you're the one that mows the lawn at 7am on the weekend.
It's you.
Thank you very much.
Have a great day.
You too.
We mentioned the county fairs that are coming up.
Sean begins tomorrow as does the Walworth County Fair.
On Thursday, the Iowa County Fair and the Sheboygan County Fair get going.
Then on Friday, Calumet County and Portage County have their local fairs going on.
So just a whole lot of things that you can get done.
in and out of things like, you know, high school football, which is what Chad Holmes is spending 80, 90, 120% of his time working on these days.
But you got, you got week one in the books.
How'd it go, Chad?
Went well.
It really did.
It went, it went, Stephanie was, and we had three games between Thursday and Friday night and all three of the teams that we covered won.
So we're three and oh, and everybody's happy.
And we had
Lots of listeners and it was really, really good.
It was nice to get back on that horse.
The thing that folks might not know if you're not a regular listener to the station in Warsaw is that on the Civic Media app.
Usually, for most stations, you can listen maybe to the news talk station.
Maybe there's a music station in the community that you can listen to.
Chats are busy.
There's actually multiple sub channels for covering all the high school sports that they do.
And I still don't know how you keep it all straight, where how listeners can hear everything that you guys are bumping out.
Well, I'm not that bright myself.
And I have some very good people, of course, with civic media that
set things up.
We have this little room in the back of our building here that has a couple of extra computers that are set up where we can connect with them and then they somehow magically get the audio to our website and to the app under the sports 2 stream or the sports 3 stream.
And then if you hit a right button it magically appears on your computer or on your app.
I have to admit that technologically I am not the brightest bulb out there but we're very fortunate to have some very smart people help
us as well to get us where we need to be.
I like that you've thrown magically in there a couple of different times to make the case.
I mean, look, Robin Tigerton says Chad is a legend covering high school sports in central Wisconsin, but even legends need magicians.
behind the
scenes.
We
need that that good person to really help sell the magic.
Yes, exactly.
And that then that's exactly what happens week in and week out.
We heard it from Jimmy Koska yesterday as well and all the folks who make local coverage happen, local sports and local news as well.
As you've been doing some of the local news reports on WXCO.
What are some of the things that you and the listeners have been talking about?
Well, just in the last local segment, just before the top of the hour, I was talking about last night, there was another hearing with the Wausau Ethics Board, this never-ending saga that is known as the Doug Dinney Dropbox controversy.
And there was a motion made by the mayor to have the Ethics Committee charges tossed.
There were three different
aspects to the investigation from, again, the ethics committee, but one of the aspects of the complaint was dismissed, but two others were kept.
Not really sure why the one was tossed because the folks that are in the ethics board chairman and another member of the board did not respond to requests for clarification on why the specific statute was removed.
are still two different pieces of the complaint that are still out there.
And also next week, in fact, on Friday of next week is scheduled a hearing, truly a hearing to really get to the meat and potatoes of this case.
However, I'm guessing that hearing will not occur because the city clerk here in Warsaw and the city attorney,
have not yet provided depositions requested by the mayor's legal team and according to folks around the clerk and the attorney they say that they cannot do it right now because number one that there is no legal there's no funding for legal assistance right now for for them and also that they've been asked because of this Department of Justice investigation and again that's just
word that is out there from them.
And frankly, this is one aspect of this case where the mayor's legal team is going to be asking again for this hearing next Friday to be postponed because they have not got these depositions from these two witnesses.
And I have to agree that in this case, the mayor and his legal team have a point.
And this never ending saga will be continuing.
It's like I was saying about the fake electors case yesterday.
that these things they just drag on and on.
This was September of last year when Mayor Doug Denney moved a locked absentee ballot drop box from the steps of City Hall into his office and I'm looking at the coverage of this from the Wausau pilot and review.
And they're mentioning that the federal statute that is no longer referenced is the one dealing with failure or refusal to permit casting or tabulation of a vote.
So refusing to permit the casting of a vote.
I guess I could see that that might be on shaky ground because the Dropbox was not yet open for accepting ballots.
But again, once you
If that helps clarify that, I'm fine with that.
If it gets us to the main point, and that is moving the box itself, when you don't have the authority to move the box, it just should not be taking this long to get that point made.
Well, frankly, something else about this case that I am finding very frustrating here now is that we have these two members of the Wasa City government.
We have already, we've heard about
other subpoenaed witnesses, including the Wassa Police Chief, Matt Barnes, and the Public Works Director, Eric Lindman, whose previous response is, according to the pilot, the board deemed vague.
And they both said, well, the questions are too vague.
If you get more specific, then I can.
give you a better response.
My response is, if you're a public official, you should be providing the information that is needed in this case, not trying to tiptoe or dance around the questions.
And it feels like there's a lot of folks who are not willing to get in front and say, here's what I know.
Here is what the mayor told me.
Here's what we discussed.
There's a lot of people trying to hide some information.
And these are public officials.
I think there's a higher bar for these folks.
Yeah, unfortunately, and I also feel like and again, I am going to state flat out that I do not work in the court systems and I understand it's clogged.
I understand, you know, that that some of these things have to move slowly to provide due process.
But I think that that amount of wiggle room for due process has become, you know, insane.
Again, the fake electors case, this is it's been for.
four and a half years since, you know, that happened.
And another presidential election has been held since that time.
So your point is extremely valid, especially when it comes to public officials and their role, a deposition or otherwise in this.
In my mind, this is the kind of thing that should be triaged.
and said, you know what, this one's going to the top of the list because this is about the integrity of elections and the ethics of our city officials.
So I hope it does.
By the way,
real quickly, I think maybe on your program that was mentioned, and I thought it was a very good point, who ultimately named Eric Tony, the special prosecutor?
I still don't
know.
And I don't know.
I mean, that's a really good question.
Yeah, no idea.
And one
of their aspects of this case that is, again, a little bit frustrating.
Yes.
And in all this, waiting to see if Josh Call is going to run for another term as State Attorney General.
And if he decides to run for governor, who else will step up as candidates?
And what will they be saying about how maybe more aggressive they might be in pursuing cases like this?
So much still to follow.
Chad Holmes, follow him on 98.9 WXCO in Warsaw and through the Civic Media app.
Chad, thank you very much.
Up Chad throws up and I hope I'm not I'm hoping that it's Okay, that's that's weird time that works.
That was that was good timing That was just the face he was making like I'm done with you quite low.
So he's got things to do We'll be back.
This is the civic media radio network
Why, yes, I'd be very happy to tell you what else is coming up here on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Nice of you to ask.
Coming up, Matt Nair on air from 9 to 11, following this program as always, Monday through Friday.
Greg, Greg Buck will be flying solo today.
I'll be joining him for a little bit at 9.30.
But then after the 10 o'clock news.
Tune in to hear from Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi, who is now a candidate for Lieutenant Governor.
Again, just after 10 o'clock as part of Matt and Air on Air.
And then on the Maggie Dawn Show, coming up later this afternoon, after 5 o'clock, Sarah Anderson from the Institute for Policy Studies will be talking about a new study on the pay gap between CEOs and workers.
And if it's anything like what I suspect, it's one of those things that I think does not get shared often enough as to people who, people just assume the gap is, has always been this wide and that it's perfectly fine and there's nothing you can do about it and nothing could be further from the truth.
I have a note here from the Chippewa Falls School District and want to salute Alicia Neinfeld.
a teacher at Chippewa Falls Middle School who's been named the 2025 Wisconsin History Teacher of the Year.
It's an award that is given out by the Gilder Lehrman Institute.
the nation's leading non-profit for K-12 American History Education, celebrating one teacher from each state and territory for their dedication, their creativity, their effective use of primary sources.
Nominees are recommended by colleagues, school leaders, and students.
They're selected then by a state committee of historians and educators, and Alicia Neinfeld won that for Chippewa Falls Middle School.
It's her 15th year in education, her fourth year at Chippewa Middle.
She teaches eighth grade social studies.
She's a board certified teacher.
She's originally from Wisconsin Rapids.
And according to Superintendent Jeff Holmes, he says that the district is very proud of Olicious selection.
It reflects her exceptional dedication to American history, to the life of our eighth grade students.
And as a former social studies teacher myself, Jeff Holmes writes, I deeply appreciate the efforts to teach good lessons and Ali exemplifies excellence in that area.
She's gonna receive a $1,000 honorarium.
Also a curated collection of American history books and educational material from the Gilder Lehman Institute.
And she'll join the other 50 some honorees as a finalist for the National History Teacher of the Year Award to be announced this fall at a special ceremony in New York City.
Now of all that, what I got out of that the most Parker is not, I mean, the recognition is nice.
The thousand dollar honorarium is nice.
But she's also getting a curated collection of American history books.
If somebody showed up at my door and said, this is a curated collection of American history books for you.
I mean, it's not the Powerball, but I would I would be one happy camper.
You need that up.
I would.
Oh, my God.
Look at this bookshelf behind me.
This is this is just a sample of everything that's down in the basement and
I would just eat that up.
I go to bookstores now, and first, I'm a little overwhelmed.
I'm not exactly sure which, you know, there's so many things to choose from, and you don't want to choose wrong.
But also, the other thing about bookstores nowadays, they're kind of depressing, and they don't mean to be.
I'm just saying, when you go to the current event shelves, the social sciences shelves or whatever, I always talk about both sidesism.
And the both sidesism of seeing some books that are an honest portrayal of American history.
And then you'll see other books talking about, you know, how the Clinton mafia destroyed America or, you know, how Obama is really not from here.
And it's on the bookshelf the same as any other book.
Yeah, they should.
And
that should be a section.
It should be a section known as probably not.
But hey, you can say it.
And here's the thing, I'm sure that, you know, the people that run these bookstores are very good people.
They do not want to cause trouble.
They do not want the attention that would come by having a separate shelf that says, you know, we looked at the sourcing on this stuff, and maybe not so much.
Again, there's a difference between opinions that you disagree with, and misinformation.
I'm very clear on that.
But there is a line.
And that to me is just the, the troubling part is to see, you know, you see these on the bookshelf and you go, they're, they're, they're people who they think this is, this is it.
You know, this, this is the, this is the one true way forward because Rush Limbaugh says it is, you know, as the author of this particular book.
That actually happened to me once in Idaho.
I went to a, I was dropping off one of the grandkids at school.
I had a chance to look at the school library, little tiny library, you know, little tiny town in Idaho.
And I go over to the history slash social studies section.
And the only books that were there were written by Bill O'Reilly from when he was on Fox News at the time.
And it's like, I can see why Idaho is a red state.
You know, if this is if this is what they're going to allow.
for, you know, what passes as books.
So this is all to say that we need good history teachers like Alicia Neinfeld at Chippewa Falls Middle School, that much more.
And I know nothing about her political affiliations.
That's not the important part.
The important part is that you're teaching fact based information to your to your eighth graders so that they get out there into the world.
And when they're reading other things, they can go, you know, this doesn't quite
jive with what history's taught us.
For example, you know, Trump thinking that he can solve everything through jacking up tariffs.
History will tell you that failed miserably just about 100 years ago and made the Great Depression so much worse.
And it failed miserably about 100 years before that and caused a depression in the American economy in the 19th century.
But
As I'm sure Ms.
Neinfeld would be the first to remind you, those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
When we come back, we'll be talking to Dan Schaffer, Civic Media's political editor and founder of the Reconbobulation Area about some political news and notes and cell phone bans in classrooms as we continue rolling on on this Tuesday morning here on the Civic Media Radio Network.
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Meanwhile, over on the Up North News website, UpNorthNewsWI.com, there is a story there about a strike at a Wisconsin cheese making plant, W&W in Monroe.
There are 43 employees that went on strike after it was acquired by the Dairy Farmers of America Cooperative.
in part because of the cooperative saying that they are going to be more aggressive on checking employee immigration status.
And that has led to some workers who've been there for an extremely long time as valuable employees now facing the prospect that they would be jobless without any kind of a severance.
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Civic Media's political editor is Dan Schaeffer, also founder of the Reconbobulation Area.
Find it at the Reconbobulation Area dot news, right?
Yes, there it is, dot news.
Dan, how are you?
I'm doing well, Pat.
Always wonderful to join you here on mornings with Pat Critello.
It's so nice to have you here as well.
When you and I were chatting about things to bring up today and you talked about, you know, back to school theme and the ongoing moves to ban cell phones and classrooms, I ended up spending the first half hour of the show letting people know just how ridiculously old I am, including the notion that that these cell phone bans were necessary because I had thought all along that
cell phones would be a no-no in classrooms.
They'd have to stay in lockers or be put on a shelf or something like that.
That is clearly not the case if we're talking about putting bands in place now, which only leads to me to ask the question, what took everybody so long?
It does seem like kind of a no-brainer thing, but I think after COVID, and you know, so many people having to attend class remotely and whatnot, I think people, it kind of slipped away.
And I think this became an issue that, you know, really actually needed the, you know, needed to be addressed by whether it's your school board or maybe even the state legislature.
And so, yeah, I think, you know, we've seen some
you know, some local school districts, there was a story in Civic Media about some action being taken in Richland Center.
But I expect this to be an issue going forward.
And part of it is what you just talked about, just kind of a common sense of not wanting to have cell phones in school.
But there's actually polling on this now.
Marquette Poll brought this up in their most recent poll earlier this summer about banning cell phones.
They asked about banning phones during the entire school day.
or banning phones just during class.
And it both had overwhelming majority support.
Banning phones during the entire school day, 72% said yes to that, 28% said no.
And banning phones during class, you're not gonna get a whole lot of issues with this much support.
89% said yes to banning phones during class with just 11% saying no.
So again, that is from the Markhine University Law School poll from
this June.
Again, how is this a thing?
But then listeners started putting comments in about the way that now devices are being incorporated into learning through various apps and QR codes and things like that.
And while I certainly understand that,
I would have rather we were at a point where the devices were more in the control of the school, of the teacher, so that, you know, look, it would cost a lot to put 25 or 30 iPads or something in every classroom.
But if you're going to use a device as a teaching tool,
then that really should be the thing that you're using because not every kid is going to have a cell phone that they can bring in.
So, I mean, you're talking about the democratization small D of devices of digital divides.
And I just don't want our schools to be a place where digital divides are exacerbated.
Yeah, that's right.
I think that's that's an interesting point.
And it probably makes sense to have
you know, the some sort of technology capability that it's not like kids bringing their own phones to use this because that's just going to create their own set of distractions and things like that too.
One of the things that I actually found interesting in that poll Marquette breaks out the differences by age group.
for different questions that they asked throughout the poll.
And so there was a big difference between the 18 to 29 year old age group on that question on a full day ban.
So there's still majority support for banning phones during class in that age group, more than 70% support.
But if you ask about the full day ban, but among those 18 to 29, only 43% say yes to 56% saying no.
So I guess here you want some of the people
in that age group, at least want to use their phones at their lockers during class.
I guess that's the
idea there.
I guess it'd be one thing if you need to make a call or a text message, but...
You know, I'm late to class because I was, you know, putting up a post on Instagram because I'm an influencer now.
You know, that's that's the kind of thing I kind of worry about.
We are talking to Dan Schaefer here from the Reconbobulation area.
And getting back more into the political swing of things.
Yesterday, we had on both Representative Francesca Hong of Madison, and also John Shelton, who is the president of AFT, and he
pen to column called The Candidate We Need and Deserve for Governor in 2026.
And he and State Senator Chris Larson were making the point that, you know, the next Democratic nominee better be unabashedly, you know, pro labor, pro union, not just, you know, pro worker.
A lot of talk about being a more aggressive candidate, Representative Hong, also banging that drum that, you know, milk toast candidates need not apply.
Well, we got a ways to go yet here, Dan.
I mean, the journal Sentinel, I think yesterday was calling this an unusual race for how few people have gotten in already.
I think it might be a little early to pass judgment yet on the race, but there's still clearly a lot of interest in finding, you know, the perfect candidate, he says with finger quotes.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, and I wrote a piece last week at the Reconbibulation area, and I even called it the too early breakdown.
of the race for governor in 2026.
And whether it's folks talking about wanting certain policies or whatever, there's going to be obviously a lot of talk about what people want next for a Democratic governor for these candidates who are going to be running.
I would caution a little bit about what you mentioned with Professor Shelton putting out, because I just don't think there needs to be litmus tests put on.
I think there and it can happen from kind of both wings of the Democratic Big Tent, whether it's the progressives or the moderates.
And I think we shouldn't be placing these types of things.
You have to be this way.
You have to be that way at this stage of a conversation of the campaign in the very, very early stages.
You know, I think one of the problems that the Democratic Party has had is narrowing the tent and talking about like, oh, you have to, you know,
bring a certain level of...
these exact geo-targeted, pole-tested types of policies to your platform or otherwise it's not gonna work.
I think Democrats have to get back to building that bigger tent and recognize that there are going to be some competing and sometimes conflicting views within that tent, but that that's okay.
And that people can still be kind of rowing in the same general direction, even if people might have different individual views on things.
And I think this issue that Democrats can
often get bogged down in and saying, oh, the party has to go this direction.
The party has to go that direction.
Well, the party has to bring everybody together.
That's what it ultimately has to be.
It can't be like, oh, you have to be the most progressive pro-union, go through the list.
But you have to bring all corners of the party together and go forward.
Well this takes me to a conversation I had yesterday with a friend in political circles and something I know we talked about last week and I'm not going to bang the strum every week but talking about the third congressional district and the Democratic primary there with three Democratic candidates so far and there may be more before all is said and done.
even though one of those candidates is the nominee from last year, Becca Cook.
But Becca Cook is not everyone's cup of tea in some democratic circles.
And I talked to somebody yesterday who very squarely fits into that category.
And she says, I want to make this clear.
I don't like some of, you know, something about her might be an issue, might be a personality, whatever the heck it is.
But I'm like, but she was like,
But I'm gonna knock doors for her because she's the one that almost beat Derek Van Orden And she's the one that can win and the other you know protest candidates or whatever you want to call them You know from the from the left or the moderate or whatever.
They're they're good people But she's like I I'm not gonna let perfect be the enemy of the good We do this far too often in Democratic circles.
She said and I'm betting some Republican folks would say that about their party as well
Yeah, and she's you know, she is a candidate there is reflecting kind of exactly what I'm talking about with building a bigger tent.
She's she's having events with She was endorsed by the blue dogs.
She's going to these centrist events in New York She just had Bernie Sanders campaign with her over the weekend You know and I just think that it is That is the the approach that we need right now and say you don't have to agree with me a hundred percent on every issue
But we can all be in this together.
All corners of the Democratic Party can be in this together.
I really like the approach that she's taking in her campaign so far.
We're talking to Dan Schaefer from the Reconbobulation Area.
You can read his column, sign up for it over at the ReconbobulationArea.News.
And by the way, we don't say enough.
You can get the column there, but Dan's also in the subscription business.
And so can you talk a little bit about the Reconbobulation Area itself for people that aren't maybe on the substack all the time and, you know, why some things are
you would subscribe to them and other things that you can just get on demand because that's something that I think is growing in popularity out there.
Yeah, well, we launched the Recon Population Area in 2019, became part of Civic Media almost exactly one year ago, coming up on the one year anniversary tomorrow of when we launched
Reconbibulation Area within Civic Media.
And so, yeah, you can subscribe to get all of my work at the Reconbibulation Area.
I put out a recap each week of all of my radio appearances, so if you don't catch me on mornings with Pat Critello, you might hear me on the Todd Alba show or the Maggie Dawn show, or I'm always on Fridays at 10 a.m.
on Met and Air on Air.
And then you can also find some of work from many of our great guest columnists and contributors.
I had a piece last week from Emily Cephos who wrote about how Democrats can rebuild trust.
We have a number of other contributors.
Angela Lange, I know, is a regular across the network here as well.
But you know, you subscribe, you can support the work that we do and help us do even more recombobulating in Milwaukee and across the state.
You
get these all-star guest writers.
I mean, Angela Lange is already an award-winning guest writer.
That's right.
And I made this mental note yesterday to reach out to Emily.
We tried to get her a couple months back, but she was camping.
She was in a remote place.
And we got to get her back on and forgive the old guy trying to sound like a young person.
Hello, fellow youths.
But that Emily Seffos column was a banger.
It was absolutely what needed to be said.
I want to get her on the show, but let's go ahead and steal her thunder.
Talk a bit more about what it is that she wrote about so that people go up and read it.
Yeah, she wrote a terrific piece.
She is the chair of the out of gamey county Democrats.
And she talked about how Democrats have a real trust problem.
And I think that is something that
people on the left first need to acknowledge that the Democratic brand is in trouble, that they have a real trust problem.
And she talked about how addressing that is just it's within the toolbox that we already have.
And I think it is about showing up over and over and over again.
She mentioned one example about in the Freedom Area School District where they held a fundraiser to pay off school lunch debt.
And people are asking like, well, why are you why are you doing this?
And they said explicitly that we're doing this because
Republicans have underfunded public schools for a generation.
And now we have things like school lunch debt that needs to be dealt with.
And so that's just one of many examples that she shared throughout the piece.
And again, I encourage you to go read that at the Recombobulation Area.
Dan Schaffer is here talking about that.
We'll continue the conversation.
Some final news and notes from Lake Wissota coming up next.
I'm Pat Rightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome back on this Tuesday morning talking to Dan Schaefer from the Reconbobulation area.
Dan, it's time to play Choose Your Adventure.
We can talk about hypocrisy about the First Amendment, hypocrisy about the Second Amendment, or hypocrisy about capitalism versus socialism.
Would you like to start in any place in particular or spin the wheel?
We'll start with the last of those three as our government, the party of
Free markets and limited government is out there seizing the means of production, I guess, or something.
Yes.
But honestly, though, for people that are still new to this issue and saying, why is the Trump administration bragging about the government?
basically taking over 10% of Intel and wondering, well, is this different than what happened at the start of the Great Recession?
There was nobody clamoring for this particular deal to happen with Intel, was there?
No, and I think this is it's almost because there was a failure of a deal that happened with Intel in the first Trump administration when they tried to build a big plant in in Ohio And much like Foxconn here in Wisconsin.
It didn't really materialize and yeah, and now the President Trump strategy now I guess is to take a 10% stake in Intel
from the 10% stake for the US government in Intel, and the New York Times characterizes this as quote, the most notable intervention in private business since the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.
Yeah, I would say so.
I would say so.
I would say this goes maybe orders of magnitude beyond that in a certain way, since many of those steps were contingent on certain things or were loans to private businesses or had certain specific issues that needed to be dealt with because Republicans tanked the economy in 2008.
And now we have one of the things that I've just been absolutely astonished by during the Trump administration.
We have all this action on tariffs, all of these.
And now we have this
on Intel.
And we have all of these different institutes and organizations throughout the state.
We have the McIver Institute or the Badger Institute or the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty.
And they all talk about these free market principles and all of these different things.
And they haven't said a bumbling word about any of these actions by the Trump administration, which couldn't be further from the principles of what this party purported to be on free markets and capitalism and letting
the market decide and staying keeping government out of private business.
Now we have the US government taking a 10% stake in a large multinational corporation.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
The free market conservatives have disappeared, and it's almost like they never actually believed in any of these principles to begin with, and it is only and only has ever been a pathway to power.
Don't you
think, Pat Critello?
I can only imagine how many of these folks were members of the House Freedom Caucus who said they would never vote for a bill that raised the national debt by a dollar, but apparently four trillion dollars is okay.
So the Freedom Caucus.
Not
our senior senator Ron Johnson, who has made this his issue for 15 years in the Senate and has never done anything on it and has voted for two gigantic bills that have ballooned the deficit.
Yes.
Exactly.
So yeah, the Bloomberg headline from one columnist, Trump seems pretty socialist these days.
Imagine if a Democratic president demanded a stake in a computer chipmaker in exchange for favorable treatment.
Eric Erickson spoke out about it, Rand Paul spoke out about it, but virtually no other.
known Republicans, certainly not any any public officials, things like that.
Yeah, the brain trust in Wisconsin, three institutes in a trench coat haven't said a darn thing about it.
So
exactly.
All
right, Second Amendment hypocrisy.
Where's the Second Amendment crowd saying, you know, we need all these guns, because otherwise, one of these days, the government is just going to put troops in the streets and we got to be ready for them.
Again, crickets.
Yeah, gotta be ready for that tyranny that is apparently a different version of tyranny than what I Don't know.
It's just so ridiculous.
It's just like there's so much hypocrisy up and down the open down the party It's be
well that takes us to number three first amendment hypocrisy and a Trump executive order Directing the Department of Justice to aggressively go after people that burn the flag which once upon a time
back in you know the the 80s especially was a pretty well stated republican talking point but again now the whole free market conservative approach uh understands that this has been protected by the first amendment nobody likes it i mean nobody's advocating for flag burning but in terms of where you're gonna put the resources of the department of justice to go again something protected by the first amendment
Again, I would expect a little bit more of a hue and cry about that as well.
Again, it's almost like these principles didn't mean anything.
Almost like it, exactly.
And I've seen some of the certain types of writers who were very much scolding of Democrats over the past few years for their policing of speech and whatever it is, which is a totally overblown issue, I think, to begin with.
And now that Trump is taking actual steps against the First Amendment, against freedom of speech, against the freedom of the press, things like that.
Crickets once again crickets from the supposed free speech warriors on the right who are supposed to be Having principles, I guess on these types of issues and those have just disappeared and they're just You know cheerleading owning the libs.
That's really their only guiding principle anymore
and less than a minute for final topic Because you were at the bob you for tribute at American Family Field, so I just wanted your quick impressions on that
Yeah, it was, I mean, to really switch gears here.
It was a remarkable, remarkable experience.
It was a bummer they lost the game, but it was a great day at the ballpark.
You know, me and some friends jumped on tickets for the Euker celebration early.
We got to our seats early, settled in to celebrate.
Really, it just feels like Bob Euker is a family member in Milwaukee in so many ways.
You know, he's just been around for so long, and he was just such a part of our lives here in the city.
And being in Milwaukee.
Milwaukee native himself and you know some of the stuff that they shouted out about his growing up in Milwaukee.
He first played catcher at Wickfield, which is now the neighborhood park where I take my kids on the west side of town.
So it's just it was a really remarkable experience and I would encourage anybody who hasn't seen it to go check out the program online.
truly part of the family.
Dan Schaeffer, thank you very much, appreciate it.
And the rest of you have a wonderful Tuesday as well.
We'll see you back here tomorrow morning, bright and early 6am, here up north on the Civic Media Radio Network.