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Good morning, it's 8.06.
Nice to have you here up north on this Thursday morning, July 10th.
2025 and coming up later this hour we will be talking to Joseph Pecky.
We will also be talking shortly to Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.
Chad Holmes is off this week competing in Vegas playing some poker and then a little I actually have to check his social media see if he is still playing in a tournament there or if he's just enjoying the buffets now.
And then we'll talk to him next week about his Vegas experience.
But first, let's get an update on the forecast from meteorologist Brittany Merlot as we, um, we don't have the, the, the hot humid, you know, yesterday it was great to go for a Jeep ride, but
you
know, when you're at a red light or something, like the sun just.
beats down on you.
Not that I'm complaining.
I'm just saying there's a lot of dark hair up here.
It just absorbs it all, you know?
It does.
It does.
And so today, today feels a little bit different here on the Chippewa Valley at least.
Oh, it's pretty nice for now.
Very temporary, unfortunately.
We've got a warm front that is slowly creeping into the state.
It's going to start to push into Western areas in just a few hours, continuing to spread statewide.
So it is going to start to get muggy by later today.
And we are looking at chances of rain really ramping up over the next three days, actually.
So we do have chances of light showers probably starting, like I said, into the Western areas along that warm front.
late this morning, but then by this afternoon around three or four or so, we're gonna start to see some thunderstorms sparking up.
So those will continue into the evening and more rounds still expected overnight.
through tomorrow and into our Saturday as the cold front slams the state.
So that is going to cool our temperatures like the humidity behind that on Sunday, but we're still staying into summery temperatures behind it as well.
So what we've got to deal with over the next few days is the potential for flash flooding.
I don't want to scare you guys, but I want you to be aware that these storms are going to be moving slow.
There's a lot of moisture associated with them and they could dump a lot.
And of course, if you get a lot of rain over concrete areas and the cities, you could see some flash flooding on roads and then also rivers are going to be rising too.
So just keep an eye out for that as we go through the next few days.
And of course, be safe driving.
Turn around, don't drown, right?
It's a catchy phrase, but it's true because those roads wash out.
Highways can wash out, culverts can collapse, and the road can be gone underneath.
And you don't know if there's electricity or stuff underneath there either.
I wouldn't risk it.
Don't do it.
Don't drive through it.
But of course, we need the rain.
No, yeah.
But again, the turnaround don't drown is it's not just a convenient rhyme.
No, it's it's only there to save your life.
Tom and Jackson on the text line, please compliment Brittany on what a lovely radio voice we
can't.
It just
gets it gets too full of herself.
No, we can't, you know, I mean, listen to her just it's all ego that girl.
I tell
you this one.
I don't know if this one's for you or me or Parker.
It says and this is on the text RTRERACC NGOODEADDEATOGETE.
Say what?
That was 33 minutes ago.
It was followed by one that says, says, I have no idea what my phone just did.
So somebody dialed us using the text feature on the civic media app.
That's got to be a first.
We've had a couple of fun text line.
Weird occurrences today.
Yeah.
See, and now we got to get it through the voice note feature.
We got to get people who, you know, they were going to leave us a voice note, maybe decided not to.
forgot to hit stop.
And then we get, you know, maybe we learned some state secrets.
I don't know.
Right.
They really feel.
Yes.
So again, you can use that that voice note app to ask Brittany a weather question or a comment or anything like that.
And on an earlier topic about from Todd Alba, hitting culvers late night, I
did not
know.
Luke Mathers tells us on the text line that his culvers is open until midnight and it is dangerous.
So I think I think a lot of them are more in the 11 o'clock area, although Luke says the Madison locations are open late.
Tell your friends, he says.
So yeah, if you get late night munchies for, you know, either a Butterburger or, you know, a Sunday and who wouldn't want a Sunday late at night?
Doesn't that sound good?
It's late night ice cream.
Yeah, their flavor of the day
reminds me.
I still have ice cream cake left in the freezer for my birthday.
What?
And you're not
sharing with Todd
Alba?
I'm not.
No, I'm not bringing that to the fair.
So I will at least we know what I'm having 50 minutes from right now.
Brittany, thank you so much.
Have a wonderful day.
You too.
All right.
So as I mentioned, Chad Holmes is in Vegas this week.
He talked about this last week.
He loves to compete in poker tournaments.
He had a little bit of drama.
getting started in Vegas this week.
I'll be very curious to see how he's been progressing through his tournaments there.
So we'll catch up with him next Tuesday when he's back.
I'm sure he will be doing local updates on 98 9 WXC on Warsaw on Monday.
But regardless, we'll have him back on Tuesday.
But that gives us a few extra minutes to visit with Sean O'Malley to talk about your money and the markets because there's there are more than one or two things going on when it comes to your money in the markets.
And so
Let's bring in Sean to talk a bit about what's new.
Sean, how are you?
Just a couple of new things.
Isn't this the week?
This is the week of the deadlines.
The deadline was
days.
How are we doing?
OK.
Well, you know, room for progress, shall we
How about one?
How's one for you?
That's all we've got in terms of deals.
But with the July 9th tariff deadline coming and going without event, other than the Trump administration sending out a rather, I've been debating how to characterize these.
Billy, factually inaccurate.
Those all apply.
I think Dumb is the one that I've heard most commonly in the other press.
Yes.
So the
And again, I mean, this is this is what passes for diplomacy is sending a form letter and just changing the name and then sometimes getting the gender mixed up because you forgot to change it from from one letter to the other.
So so the letters have gone out all about what bringing money back to the US through tariffs.
I don't think it works that way.
Sean, I don't think it does.
That gets to that inaccurate, factually inaccurate part of the commentary.
No, this is not money that's going to be coming from overseas anywhere.
No government is going to be paying taxes to the United States.
What's going to be happening is that any tariffs that are put in place that are country specific, what's going to be happening is that anyone who imports products from that country
into the U.S.
is going to be paying those tariffs here in the U.S.
So what's going to be happening is it's not going to be money coming from, say, for example, North Korea, or South Korea, excuse me, man, North Korea, that'd be a big problem.
That'd be really something they were exploiting,
Yeah, sanctions violation.
Coming from South Korea, say, TV set or something like that.
Sure.
So the government of South Korea is going to be paying absolutely nothing.
What's going to be happening is that whoever's importing those TVs from South Korea is going to be paying the tariff here in the United States.
So what you're basically going to have happen is some entity in the US, be it a company, be it an individual, they're going to be paying the tariff to the US government.
So it's going to be an economic transfer from a US company or US citizen to the US government.
Yes, it is a tax.
It is absolutely attacks.
That's that's all it is and to me this is like a this is like a great The great national civics lesson or the great national economics lesson is how many Americans will will we be educating about this and Which ones are still going to be reciting the talking points about bringing all this money into the US When that's not what it does
it was never going to do.
But so we've so we've got these tariffs, these tariff letters that are going out.
The
new
deadline, quote unquote, is August 1.
If you believe that, then I've got a taco to sell you because, you know, the Trump will chicken out yet again.
And yet, I mean, it's it's theater.
Sean, I mean, it's manufacturing a crisis.
Correct.
And then when you back off of it, you make yourself look
good, like, I'm gonna start this building on fire.
Oh, I'm not.
Aren't I a good person?
It's like that, right?
And we have this from, you know, a source that's very reputable, very close to the process, obviously does not want to provide their name, because that would probably be the end of their career.
But they're saying that, yeah, this is, it's all just demonstrative theater.
It's just kind of
using it to manipulate the market, manipulate the political environment, and, you know, people's focus and time and efforts.
It's a distraction.
It's not real.
So that's that's the stuff country by country.
But then there are there are some product ones as well.
And folks have been talking lately about a tariff that was put in place on copper.
What's what's the story on that?
Yeah, so in addition to the existing tariffs, we already have on two other metals, steel and aluminum of 25% each.
We now have a tariff on copper for 50%.
So what we're seeing certainly in the marketplace, because all of these metals trade on exchanges, on commodities exchanges, there's a big dislocation between overseas copper markets and the US copper market in terms of the futures prices due to
the tariff being levied.
So what it means in the long run or even in the short run for the United States is that these metals are going to get more expensive.
For anyone, any manufacturer who uses steel or aluminum or copper, so now you're talking not just automotive, you're talking copper is used in the manufacturer of certain electronics parts.
So a lot of that industry is also going to be impacted significantly by these tariffs.
And you will see an economic slowdown due to these frictions, due to these taxes being imposed on any company using any of these three metals.
I guess when I hear about the tariffs on steel and aluminum, I can almost think of like American industries that this is allegedly supposed to help, though it probably hurts more people than helps.
And the same goes for timber tariffs from Canada.
I have a tougher time with this copper one.
Is there something that would be so much more improved in the United States by having a big tariff on imported copper?
Because I'm not aware of it.
copper.
I didn't think so.
No.
So we're not protecting any industry with that one.
and really we're not protecting anything with aluminum because you know that's bauxite or aluminium and that's predominantly you know in the southern hemisphere in countries other than the US.
So you know this is again it's designed to be protectionism but it really just winds up being a financial penalty.
I was gonna say it's almost performative because if it's if it's a
fairly small impact, but you can put a big number on it, like 50%.
You know, you can make it look like you're doing something when you actually are not.
We are talking with Sean O'Malley, finance and economics expert, and we will continue that conversation.
For some of you, others will have a local update coming up, and then when we're all back together in the next half hour, we will be talking to Joseph Peckie, followed by Matt Nair on air at nine o'clock.
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Let's continue our conversation here with Sean O'Malley about your money and the markets.
And let's wrap up our conversation on tariffs by saying, I
was
saying earlier, I hope this is a great, you know, civics and economic lesson for Americans that the more and more of them figure out how this is a bad strategy.
And Sean, according to polling, that is actually starting to happen.
That is correct that what we're seeing in the polls is that despite this performative theater From the Trump administration the the majority of Americans in every poll that has been conducted on this issue regarding the tariffs the disapproval rate is typically in sort of the mid 50s to lower 60s on average
Even Fox News came out with a 59% disapproval on it.
So I think it's gonna be harder and harder for those who are living in that sort of alternative information sphere focused on right-wing talking points and reinforcing them.
They're not gonna be able to hang on to their sort of perceptions based on identity politics that are gonna have to start dealing with the realities of the economics.
Well, I mean, we did we did hear last week, you know, of course, folks saying you see you you misjudged us because the labor force number was was good, especially what was good compared to the day before when the estimate of it showed a an expected loss of jobs.
The actual employment report showed a gain of jobs.
So of course, the Trump administration, you know, jumped on that.
But
That report notwithstanding, what are your expectations for other economic reports we're going to get this summer?
Now, a majority of experts are saying that they are expecting it to go up.
I am in the minority.
I'm going to vote against that.
I'm looking at the impact of the tariffs
that were put back in place in April and a lot of the shipping shutdown that hit over basically a six-week period starting basically early April and going through until really later May and looking at sort of the GDP potential impacts there across the board of that slowdown.
I'm figuring, okay, you got two out of the three months where you're dealing with a pretty significant economic slowdown.
I'm not sure that's going to guarantee you the growth that the majority of them are expecting.
So I'm unfortunately going to be the bearish one on this and say that we could have, in fact, another quarter of economic slowdown, which, as we've talked about before on your show, Pat, two consecutive quarters of GDP contraction means technically a recession.
Now, given if that were to happen,
It would be a pretty mild recession, but it could just be the start of it rather than the end of it.
So we'll have to keep our eyes open on what's going to be going on with the rest of the economy throughout the summer.
But I mean, the whole point being, we were having this phenomenal recovery that somebody managed to turn into a recession.
Even a mild recession is still a recession compared to where we were.
But when you talk about being in the, you know, there's two different views on this.
That is underscored by the New York Times headline about the minutes of the recent Federal Reserve meeting.
It says, Fed Minutes underscored divisions over the pace of interest rate cuts.
The U.S.
Central Bank's decision to hold interest rates steady in June was unanimously supported, but officials were starting to splinter over the path forward.
So, I mean, you're not the only one that's out there saying, could go this way, could go that way.
Initially, any sort of rate cuts that were discussed, the initial timeframe was, I think, September.
And then after the June meeting, they were talking more like a December timeframe.
And now that seems to have possibly come back in again, because I think we are seeing some signs of economic softness.
And we'll have to see just how that all measures
out.
How much more difficult is their job when they're getting public pronouncements from the president or he's actually sending letters to them, you know, trying to essentially whip them into lowering interest rates.
It's taking a group that is working so hard to maintain what little independence anything has left in this government and remain credible.
And normally, it wouldn't be a big issue if Jerome Powell was going to be in the seat for a number of years, because most Fed chairman are appointed for about a 10-year term.
However, he's sort of getting to the end of his term.
And even though he was put in by Trump in the first administration, Trump clearly seems very unhappy about him.
is there is open conversation about who's going to be the next Fed chairperson.
He definitely is not the first, nor would he be the last person appointed by Trump, who then Trump then soured on because he was hearing things that weren't completely 100% in line with what Trump wanted them to do.
Sean O'Malley, thank you as always.
Enjoy the rest of the week.
too.
Take care.
Yep.
You bet.
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The Milwaukee Brewers swept the LA Dodgers for the first time in franchise history in Milwaukee.
Jackson Shurio singled home the winning run in the 10th inning.
The Brewers rallied to beat the Dodgers three to two.
The Dodgers, the defending World Series champions now have a six game losing streak going.
They are off today.
They begin a three game series at home against the Washington Nationals Friday, Saturday, Sunday before the All-Star break.
And then after the All-Star break, their first series is next week Friday at the LA Dodgers.
So the road doesn't get any easier, but you can catch the Brewers National Series starting tomorrow.
Coverage begins at 6.35 on several civic media stations across the network.
Let's bring in Joseph Pecky at 8.36.
Joe is here and I don't have any place to start that is
As surprising as waking up this morning and learning that the former congressman from up north Sean Duffy is the new interim administrator of NASA I'm not aware of the qualifications involved other than Having a spat with Elon Musk and so I guess Trump putting Sean Duffy in there is is a way to keep Elon Musk from taking over NASA, but That's really that was not on my bingo card Sean Duffy running NASA
I was told over and over again that the Trump administration had done this so much more thoroughly and intentionally this time and that they had so many people lined up to go and staff the government so that they could implement Project 2025.
And in a lot of respects, they actually have.
Yes.
No.
And so it just continues to demonstrate over and over again that they're not serious about anything.
They're approaching this like third, fourth, maybe fifth graders, giving them the benefit of the doubt and just making it up as they go along.
And that is a deadly, terrible, awful, toxic,
do when you have the intentionality and the bureaucratic mind that Stephen Miller has when it comes to arresting people who have lived here for years, broken no laws, paying taxes.
It's terrifying.
On the other hand, you've got people like Kristi Noem who
don't know how to run organizations that they are responsible for, who it turns out in reporting that came out yesterday, as Texas was flooding and families were losing their little girls by the dozens, Ms.
Nome as the head of the Department of Homeland Security,
could not, would not, did not authorize the deployment of urban search and rescue teams who are some of the toughest, bad word I can't say on the radio people we've got in federal service who go into crises like this and pull people out.
And she seemed unable to pre-position those resources, despite the fact they were needed.
And so those assets didn't get to Texas until Monday morning, 72 hours after there was a crisis.
Here is the exact quote from Kristi Noem talking about her visit to Texas.
She said, quote,
We, as a federal government, don't manage these disasters.
The state does.
We come in and support them.
And that's exactly what we did here in this situation, she said falsely.
Americans helping one another after such tragic events is proof that God created us to take care of each other.
To which I would respond, yeah, by pooling our resources together.
putting those tax dollars into a competent system of government that can act quickly with experts, economies of scale and actual plans.
And Kristi Noem's talk is as foolish as it is incompetent as it is insulting.
And like, there is an actual reason for this.
We're not just dunking on Noem because she's a
you know, less than stellar cabinet choice.
She is a less than stellar cabinet choice to be clear, but she comes in to this big massive department and says, we're going to impose new financial controls and nobody is allowed to spend more than $100,000 on one thing without the sign off of the secretary.
I got to get my departments spending under control and in a vacuum that sounds okay.
But then when you see
a crisis unfolding, and you see her racing to get down to Texas to go on camera, which is a part of emergency response.
I'm not disputing that.
But she can't find the five minutes it takes to sign the piece of paper that allows these assets to pre-position so they can literally go and save lives.
Then you're not very good at running the organization.
Then you have set a standard that does not make sense in this instance.
Maybe you say it applies to every organization within DHS other than FEMA, or when there is not a tick and clock.
We have heard incredible stories about heroism, individual Coast Guard rescue swimmers saving more than a hundred people.
One guy.
And Christine Ohm stood in the way and because of her decision-making and lack of leadership, assets that could have done that kind of thing were not deployed to Texas.
I am old enough to remember a time in our politics where that fact alone would mean that a cabinet secretary was gonna be cleaning out their desk by Monday.
I don't have a lot of confidence that's gonna happen here.
Oh no, no, it should be rewarded if nothing else.
to bring it back when we talk about people not in the right roles and we talk about Sean Duffy heading up NASA.
Folks might be tempted to think, well, they look at the article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today by Lawrence Andrea, all about how the falling out between Elon Musk and Donald Trump has now led people like Ron Johnson and Derek Van Orden to back off of their man crushes of the world's richest man.
And people might say, well, you see it was Sean Duffy having that
fight with Elon Musk that helped take the bloom off that rose I would argue Joe it's it's not Sean Duffy's credit it's the credit of the Wisconsin voter who in April saw what Elon Musk was trying to do and said um no not here yeah
yeah the 11 point butt kick in after after Elon made himself the bell of the ball um it was that election that
Literally brought Elon back down to earth.
I'm trying to figure out how to make a beam me up Duffy Joking there, and I'm not sure it's gonna work.
It's but When when people become a political liability Trump and his goons cut them loose and That's just you understand it The problem is that that approach has infected the entire
Republican Party and they are not at the moment a group that is operating as if they have any principles other than what's good for me in the next 10 minutes and that when you put people in positions of authority and power you want them to have principles even if you disagree with them or see them a different way like that's a bet leads to better outcomes
If you know that, like, listen, I might disagree with Pat, but I know that he is coming from a place of principle in the way that he is voting, or the way that he is refusing to vote for something.
That is more worthy of respect than what the Republican Party under Donald Trump has become, where they are all sycophants slathering at the behest of Trump, who has been known to go from one extreme to the other on an issue, on a person,
on a moment's notice because it is politically convenient in the moment.
And we are losing something important in this constant chase of let's just get through the day.
Now, you know, let's just get through the hour.
Let's just get through the next 10 minutes.
That's how they're governing.
And there is a cost to that that we are seeing from Texas to the millions of people who are going to lose health care.
to the strategic step backwards that this country is taking in our competition with China to be the global leader for the next 100 years.
As you talk about things like climate change and that there is a cost to all of this and we know what some of it is but we don't yet know what all of it is.
Let's turn to state politics for a moment.
The state budget passing and it
being the result of some bipartisan talks but that does not mean folks from both parties are racing to embrace it and there are admittedly a lot of progressive folks who are angry at Governor Evers and how worried should I be that the the folks angry at Evers who would normally be allies will not be as fully
participatory next year shall we say is it is it just misdirected anger and put the focus back on the GOP or as as they've told me you know that's a convenient cop out to say we've got to vote for Democrats no matter what how do we how do we process the anger that people are feeling who would normally be allied with democratic actions?
that says, OK, folks, tell me how the Donald Trump presidency is working out for you.
Because we saw this on the left in 2024, right?
People took their ball and went home.
And now we have this madness unfolding.
And I think that's reductive and overly simplistic.
It's OK for me to feel that way, though, to be like, want to shake people and go, what are you talking about?
It is also okay for them to be frustrated because this budget wasn't good enough.
This budget does not live up to what would happen if there was unified control across all three branches.
And to me, when you get knocked down, you take an L, the response is, how do we get more next time?
How do we strategically build power to make sure we're not in this position again next time it is not well, I'm gonna take my ball and go home or Well, I got knocked on my can I'm gonna stay on the ground How do you think coach Z likes that when somebody falls down at football practice and doesn't want to get back up and get back in the game?
That is actually the mistake or choice made on a football field that makes me angrier than anything else and so
when progressives are threatening to do that kind of thing because this set of budget negotiations, they didn't get everything they want.
I'm sorry.
That makes me a little angry.
They have agency.
We have agency in this.
And the math is what the math is.
Tony Evers had a hostile, not unfriendly, hostile legislature to work with.
And he got wins.
He didn't get all of them.
It's not the budget he proposed.
But the idea that because he didn't veto the entire budget, we're going to go, well, you're on your own.
Sorry, folks.
That's not the way this
works.
And that, again, gives me PTSD from 2010.
And that's a counseling issue we'll share for another time.
From Tony, and I couldn't agree more, I think the governor should be going back to his original budget and sharing it with people, saying, this is what we wanted, give Democrats control, and this is what you'll get.
And he also notes, I disagree with Pat all the time.
For example, he should be exploring a run for governor, but he just keeps talking.
about writing books and doing radio shows.
A local update is next.
For some of you, others will come back here for some final news and notes with Joseph Pecky here from Lake Wissota.
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Well, tomorrow is Friday, and so you know what that means.
We'll be talking to Courier Newsroom national correspondent Kia Vakil from Los Angeles.
We will also be having our weekend review panel with former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel and Chicago veteran journalist Mark Jacob and Jennifer Scholesi.
We'll have Dr. Kristen Lierly.
I think she's in Washington, D.C.
this week and giving us a preview of her weekend show on civic media.
Mike Clemens will help us preview the weekend in sports with the Brewers and the National Series that starts tomorrow.
Coming off that sweep of the Dodgers, Joseph Pecky, did you get to the game on Wednesday afternoon?
it is different
Well, especially after that leadoff home run against Mizorowski, it's like, oh, there's Shohei Otani doing Shohei Otani things.
And but that that almost seemed to be the peak for the series for him.
Freddie Freeman is is is it's not a slump, but he's not putting up Freddie Freeman numbers.
Yeah.
And you see this a lot in baseball.
Well, practically all sports where it's almost like when they get so top heavy with payroll.
they like become off balance.
They can't maintain all the expectations that are there, and that's fine with me.
I'm good with that.
I don't think I got to talk to you about this since the NBA draft, but the way I would sum up most of the comments is that after the draft, and please stop with the honest trade talk, after the draft, the Bucks are still one more move away from being
fiercely competitive in this upcoming season.
So there's a lot of people going, it's good, it's good, but they got to do one more thing.
And I don't know if that's wishful thinking or if that's strategic thinking.
The Bucks will be competitive every single day that Yanis is in uniform.
And the East is down.
So it shouldn't take much.
The problem is, and I hold ownership.
accountable for this.
There's been changes to the ownership even since we won the title.
They're making short-term moves that give a little sugar high, but are mortgaging the long-term future.
And I'm just not sure how much longer we can stay there.
Yannis does not strike me as a guy dying to leave.
I think he's a guy who if you lay out here's the five year plan to recoup some assets we've traded away to try and build a sustainable future for this franchise.
I think he would be open to that and I'm not seeing it.
My biggest fear of course and it is of everybody that you don't want to put Giannis in the same sentence as Dan Marino and Mike Trout and all those others who
barely get a taste of what could happen because they didn't build a team around everything that they were giving
you?
point well taken.
Exactly.
Let's see, let's get back over to some of the news of the day and can I just say about the UW tuition hike and I said this on Todd Alba show yesterday as well and it's going to make me sound a bit insensitive but there was a lot of blowback to the announced tuition hike at the UW system.
It's not that that's a great thing.
It's it's not necessarily it doesn't bug me as much because I always keep coming back to the poor state support as a share of a college student's cost compared to you know for the for decades prior and that you know state government should be doing more to lessen the burden of tuition whatever the tuition level is but
Again, I understand that's like one step removed from being upset about the tuition increase.
What were your thoughts?
Was it just bad timing to do it right after the state budget has passed or does it not concern you?
What are your thoughts?
It is, you know, multiple things can get you at the same time.
I say that all the time.
And in this case, they are the governor got the largest increase to the UW system, much long needed investments.
I think like $800 million for capital projects.
We got to do those things.
And celebrating that win while bemoaning the fact that Wisconsin families are going to have to continue to shell out more and more that that sucks.
And.
It is a result of years and years and years of neglect from a legislature run by Republicans that is hostile to higher education.
And if you want to see change, my advice to you is not to pack it up and go home.
It is to engage.
It is to figure out how we win the trifecta in 2026.
Get engaged.
Stay engaged.
Don't take your ball and go home.
Well, you sound like somebody that was on yesterday around this time.
Melissa Baldoff.
I think you're familiar with her.
Also talking about the trifecta.
Mark Lady.
Isn't she though?
Yeah.
And saying, look, again, much like, you know, Tony said in the last segment is have that focus on what we could be doing and what we could get if, if everybody applies themselves next year and sees through the garbage.
And by the way, there will be a lot of garbage because to avoid talking about Medicaid cuts and everything, you're going to hear, look,
there's a trans person and oh look there's an undocumented migrant you know who committed a crime there's going to be a lot of that and they are they are not that they are not issues of one sort or another but there's going to be a lot of distractions thrown at the voter
Almost everything is going to cost more for consumers.
That includes higher education because student loans are going to cost more.
It includes health care because that's going to cost more even if you have health insurance and have never been on Medicaid.
Energy costs are going to increase.
On issue after issue, the Republican MAGA policy choices are making things cost more.
That is going to cost you, listener, and hit you in your pocketbook.
Gee, I heard the same thing from Congressman Mark Bookhand earlier.
We have a lot of wise people on this show.
I've come to appreciate.
As far as getting the message out, Tony gets the last word.
If only we had a statewide radio network to help get that message out.
Well...
Yeah, one that has a phenomenal social media presence as well.
Thank you, Tony.
Thank you, Joseph Peckie.
Appreciate it very much.
All right, you as well.
Thanks to all of you for joining us.
My thanks to Sean O'Malley, Joseph Peckie, Todd Alba, Brittany Merleau, Parker Olson, and to you for being here this morning.
I'm Pat Crightlow, founding editor of Up North News.
Up North News is the Wisconsin digital outlet for Courier, a pro-democracy news network.
Have a great Thursday.
Might see you at the Northern Wisconsin State Fair today and back here tomorrow 6am up north.
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