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Hey, good morning.
It is 7.06.
It's nice to have you here up north on this Friday morning, Friday the 13th of June, 2025.
And coming up, of course, on Fridays, it'll be our Week in Review panel with Chicago journalists Mark Jacob, Jennifer Schulze, former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel,
Now, by the way, neglected to mention last hour, folks would would normally hear Courier Newsroom's Kia Vakil.
He's on vacation this week, which is why we played back some of our interview with Senate Democratic leader Diane Heselbein about the state budget.
But I think we have Kia back next week.
I forget how long his vacation goes here.
But we will have our regular week and review panel here.
And then one hour from now, we will
be interviewing Chris Taylor, judge Chris Taylor, candidate for Wisconsin Supreme Court, potential candidate to go up against far right Justice Rebecca Bradley in next year's state Supreme Court race in April.
Dr. Kristen Lierly will join us for that.
And then just after 830, Mike Clemens will be here a lot of weekend sports to go over, including the big debut last night for a Brewer's pitching phenom who was pitching lights out until he rolled his ankle.
So we'll have an update on that coming up as well.
So so much still ahead, including the weekend forecast from meteorologist Brittany Merleau.
And as I'm looking at the river of rain on the radar here, Brittany, basically it stretches from roughly Duluth to La Crosse.
It's that wide and stretches way back into the mountains pretty much.
I mean, it's just this river of rain that's going to pour right over Wisconsin for
for a while?
Yes, unfortunately.
I mean, we've already picked up a half an inch to an inch and a half to places far west already.
And this is just the start of it.
So we've got another half an inch to an inch to go today.
maybe another half an inch still tomorrow or tomorrow as well.
And then we could still see some a little bit linger.
And we've got rain, honestly, as we go into the entire next week too.
So a very, very active unsettled pattern.
And of course, cloudy skies for a majority of the state, there is spots of sunshine far south along the state line, Madison, Milwaukee area, you could see that as well.
So you have chances to stay dry.
more sunshine south.
That rain is going to continue to pour up north as we go through our day today, becoming moderate to heavy at times.
A few rumbles of thunder are also possible as well.
And then by this afternoon, a few scattered storms could pop up in the southern areas.
Now it's a smaller chance, but there is that chance.
So heads up for that.
Otherwise you're staying dry.
Highs today will make it only to the mid fifties, where it's raining mid seventies far south.
And as we go to tomorrow morning, spotty rain lingers far northeast.
We are looking at some more showers and storms sparking up far northwest in the afternoon and then rolling through the state through the evening.
Highs tomorrow will be about 60 degrees up north, 80 degrees down south.
So if you're looking for the summer weather and some sunshine, southern parts is where it's at.
But everyone is going to be dry on Sunday.
Highs in the 70s statewide.
But I'll tell you what, heads up Monday, get that AC ready.
It's going to start to get pretty hot and humid with some stronger to severe storms possible.
These this week, nothing to worry about.
This is more of a nuisance.
And then the hot and humid comes back.
But for now, nothing like that rain with a stiff east wind slapping it right in your face there.
Oh,
I know.
But you know what, that East wind yesterday, I think it cut off a lot of the rainfall for a lot of the state for a while.
So
it
actually helped a little bit.
But now, yep, here it
is.
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Good morning from Tigerton, writes Rob.
Light rain, windy, 48 degrees, four tenths of an inch of rain, mowed two yards in the town of Germania.
They were big yards.
I had a big Mac salad at Blazers Bar and Grill in Split Rock.
It was very good.
He says, when the Breakfast Club came out in 1984, that was a junior in high school.
Remember seeing that movie in Warsaw?
Definitely jacket type of weather.
The Northeast wind makes it feel a lot colder.
And then concludes by saying, maybe next week you play that Super Tramp song.
It's raining again for the next week.
That's perfect, Rob.
Yes.
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It totally tracks.
Yes, exactly.
All right, Brittany, thanks.
We'll talk to you in the next hour.
Sounds good.
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So you'll want to be listening on Fridays throughout the summer here as we try to get you in the seats there at American Family Field.
A lot of folks were there last night to see the
the debut of the Brewer's top pitching prospect, Jacob Mizorowski, 23 years old, making his major league debut last night against the St.
Louis Cardinals.
And I thought it was pretty cool that he set him down one, two, three in the first inning.
Second inning, it was, again, he faced three batters, but he needed a double play because he had a walk.
And then there were still no hits after three innings, no hits after four innings.
I'm like, this guy's...
just pitched his first four innings of Major League Baseball, no hits.
Five innings, still no hits.
At that point, at the place where I'm sitting and kind of looking at the game on my phone, I'm like, guys, this kid has a no hitter going through five.
Comes out for the sixth inning.
I mean, this kid's throwing 100 miles, 101, 102 miles an hour.
102 miles an hour.
Comes in, throws a few on the sixth inning.
Rolls his ankle says he's feeling cramping in his right leg and leaves the game with a no hitter into the sixth inning.
Apparently not serious.
We will talk to Mike Clemens about that coming up next hour as the Brewers continue their series with the St.
Louis Cardinals.
Again, the Brewers did win.
They brought the bats out six to nothing was the final of nice home run by Jackson Churio among the scoring.
The series continues against the Cardinals in Milwaukee.
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For folks that are following the Stanley Cup Finals and who have to go to bed early, like me, thinking that Florida was gonna win another one.
They were up 3-0 after the first period.
Edmonton came all the way back, even took the lead.
Then Florida tied it up with 20 seconds left in regulation, so they went to overtime.
And Edmonton was your winner, five to four.
In overtime, the Stanley Cup finals are tied at two games.
A piece, game five is tomorrow in Edmonton.
The NBA finals tip off tonight, game four in Indiana, where Indiana has a two games to one lead over Oklahoma City.
And then we've got the WIAA girl softball championships in play in Madison right now.
We've got Packers mini camp to talk about with Mike Clemens as well.
Jordan love getting married.
Aaron Rodgers getting married.
There's just.
So, so much, so much to cover here.
Oh, and a brewer's pitcher wants is demanding a trade as well.
So we've got, we had a lot to talk about here with Mike, when we made up with him after our interview with Chris Taylor and Dr. Kristen Lyrely joining us as well.
If you missed it, also in the last hour, we
basically gave you an update on the legislature and trying to craft a state budget.
We mentioned at the start of the week that Republicans basically walked away from the negotiating table.
Governor Evers was willing to meet them when it came to a tax cut plan.
They were not willing to meet him in doing the things a state budget is supposed to do, like support our schools.
And so...
You saw that reflected in what the Joint Finance Committee did yesterday where they worked on their tax cut plan and they worked on a special education spending plan that does increase the state's reimbursement for special education to public schools, but not nearly to the level that would be needed to end what is an endless string of school referendums going on around the state.
Republicans are looking at the dollar amount.
and saying, look, we voted to increase special education funding by more than $200 million.
Governor Evers was saying, yeah, actually, you need to add another $900 million more to make schools whole and to end this endless cycle of referendums.
But set aside the dollar amounts for a moment.
and just look at the reimbursement rate at which the state will help school districts for that larger price tag that comes with special education.
Back in 1980, I learned from Molly Beck in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, in 1980 the state reimbursed two-thirds of the cost of special education, 66%.
It had come down to about 30%.
Then it came up in the last budget to 32%.
And Governor Evers said, look, can we at least get back to 60%?
Let's get to 60% help out with special education costs, especially since Republicans reimburse voucher schools at 90%.
90% reimbursement for special education for voucher schools.
The governor said, could we at least get to 60?
Because we're at 32 right now.
Republicans were like those guys in the pawnshop show going, best we can do is 37.5.
So that's what they voted on.
37.5, which enables them to say, look at the millions and millions of dollars we put into it without acknowledging their hundreds of millions of dollars short.
And so you, dear property taxpayer, will continue making up the difference even as Republican legislators sit on a state surplus.
of $4 billion.
Now, Republicans did work on their tax cut plan as well.
And according to Jesse O'Poyne's story in the Journal Sentinel, it means about one and a half million Wisconsinites will pay lower income taxes.
The Republicans are allocating about $1.3 billion to it.
It does expand the state's second lowest tax bracket.
So it does not seem like an unreasonable tax cut plan.
But again, the real story is the governor said, yeah, this isn't what I'd write, but I can go along with this.
Now, how about you guys help out our schools that you've been underfunding for 16 years?
And Republican said, no, it's something, it's a shortfall.
They would just as soon perpetuate.
And that's what we have happening right now.
All right, still ahead, we'll be talking with our Week in Review panel, Mark Jacob, Jim Santel, Jennifer Prisciolsi, later Judge Chris Taylor, running for Supreme Court, Kristen Lyrely, Mike Clemens, all from the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota, here on the Civic Media Radio Network, I'm Pat Crightlow.
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Jim from Brookfield on the text line, why doesn't Governor Evers use his bully pulpit to hold a press conference, use bar graphs and call out the Republicans on school funding?
You're not the first person who has said that, can more be done.
I will let the governor speak for himself on that one.
He did make an appearance in the Chippewa Valley yesterday and local media covered it.
I recall seeing sound bites on the governor's impression of, you know, the National Guard being used the way that it was in California and what would happen if something similar happened here in Wisconsin.
So that's going to get us talking to our panel because, again, it was the way that President Trump essentially commandeered the National Guard away from California's governor.
to politicize and militarize protests against ICE.
That has been one of the big stories of the week.
So we've got former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel here.
He hosts Amicus, a law review every Saturday morning across the Civic Media Radio Network.
Jennifer Schulze is here.
You can find her columns on Substack.
And of course, we've got Mark Jacob here as well.
You can find what he works on at stopthepresses.news.
Hello, panel.
It's nice to have you all here.
Good morning.
Good morning.
James we will start with you former U.S.
Attorney where for a time the Trump regime and I think I might just go with that word now the Trump regime's plan for a military presence in every major American city was dealt a bit of a setback by a judge although not
Then the setback was kind of set back a bit.
Tell us what's the latest on that.
So this is federal judge Charles Breyer, B-R-E-Y-E-R.
He's in San Francisco and he receives again this emergency petition from the governor saying that the president does not have the authority to do what he is doing there.
And in a monumental 36 page ruling, it's extraordinary.
Again, I always assign reading to all your listeners, right?
It's worth reading.
It really is very good.
It's accessible.
He basically says that there is not a rebellion.
He invokes the statute for what it's worth.
It's the Military Act of 1903, section 12406.
And you can only do this if, in fact, the Commonwealth, the United States is invaded or there's a danger of invasion.
There's a rebellion or some danger.
And the president is unable
with regular forces to execute the laws of the United States.
He goes through all this analysis and says, okay, we're looking at what we're seeing on the ground here, not a rebellion, not an invasion, sort of like the Alien Enemies Act analysis as well.
Excuse me.
And in the end, he says, you know, just because there are some individuals who may have caused some violence here does not rise to the level of a rebellion.
And notably he says, individuals right to protest.
of the government is one of the fundamental rights protected by the First Amendment, just because some stray bad actors go too far does not wipe out that right for everyone.
The idea that protesters can so quickly cross the line between protected conduct and rebellion is untenable and dangerous.
He says, nope, gotta stop it.
The Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit,
a Pillar court beyond him does enter an administrative stay that sounds as bad as it probably Is but it basically suspends that for a while.
Well, they can take a look at his order It doesn't mean that they have reversed it.
That is not the case They simply said we'll keep this keep everything in place for now It does mean it does mean that for this weekend and the no-kings of protests around the country Donald Trump remains in power there and the judge
his order is not an effect.
So back
and forth a bit, but a very
Which Mark Jacob, we all knew it was self evident that this had nothing to do with actual rebellion.
This was about using, you know, authoritarian dictatorial, you know, levers of power to put your your opponents at the end of a gun.
Yeah, I mean that that's the the basic MO of these folks is is calling everything an emergency or an invasion or an insurrection and therefore they can you know not go through due process and other normal efforts instead can just do whatever they want it's you know it's it's Trump trying to be a king you know and and you know in LA they sent in the guard
But before they sent in the guard, things calmed down because, you know, obviously it was the kind of street disturbances that happen in this country sometimes, and the local authorities were able to handle it.
And so Trump claimed, well, the National Guard fixed the whole thing.
Well, the National Guard hadn't even arrived when it got everything calmed down.
So, I mean, they're just lying about this.
And Pat, I also want to mention in this context that Kristi Noem said yesterday, everyone is focusing on the Padilla stuff.
and the senator being thrown to the ground in handcuffs, which is I understand that why they would, but Christine Ohmet that same event said that they were sending that their attempt was to liberate California and Los Angeles from the socialists.
They said that was their goal.
Well, that's that that's in fact, that's regime change.
That's them deciding that they're going to subvert duly elected authorities of a state.
Oh, that's nothing new.
You know, undermining the results of an election.
You've had, you know, in Florida, was it the governor replacing, what, sheriffs or district attorneys, things like that?
Right.
So this is very much part for the course.
And Jennifer, quick before this break here, we've got a minute here, but one of the things at the heart of coverage of this is, is this
a riot?
Or is this a protest?
And how newsrooms decide to approach the way they cover these things?
So if you're right wing media, it's a right, it's a riot.
And in fact, he's been calling it an insurrection.
Obviously, it's neither.
But if I spent a lot of time this week on right wing media,
Fox in particular, and I thought my head was going to light on fire.
And that is the predominant media outlet in the country.
And people are being told things that are so wildly false about Los Angeles and being shown AI generated pictures of things that are
I mean, they're fake.
They are.
And so we'll talk more about the the fakery and the perils of news coverage here when we return with Jennifer, Jim and Mark, all part of our Friday morning powered by Up North News here on the Civic Media Radio Network.
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Needless to say, the big story this week has been Trump politicizing and militarizing protests against his mass deportation, which again took a turn that
While some people say it was expected that you're trolling Home Depot parking lots and things like that, this was also the guy that said, well, I just want to go after the bad guys.
I want to get after the criminals and the thugs.
Clearly, that's not what's been happening here, Mark.
And so it was surprising slash amusing to see Trump
post on his little social media site yesterday that he's aware that this mass deportation thing is starting to hurt farmers.
And so he's going to make some changes.
Is he does he really understand or was that just a bone to throw out and go, you know, I was never just going to go after the bad guys.
I think he's just saying that, you know, to try to keep his base in his base, you know, because
I think that his bases are rotting, his poll numbers are bad.
And I mean, he's just, he's making a mess out of everything.
And I don't think, I mean, clearly all these, these consequences of this immigration enforcement are, we're easily predictable.
I mean, come on.
I mean, if you, you know, you've got a lot of immigrants picking
you know farm products you know ficking crops you know and and they go away you scare the hell out of them and chase them out of the country well what's going to happen you know how's that going to affect our dinner table you know a lot and so everyone knows that and and so for him this to act like you know just he just woke up a day or two ago and realized it's going to affect the farm industry is is crazy uh you know i i i just think that
I don't think Trump is a member of government.
What I'm saying is I don't think that he's trying to govern.
I think he's trying to be political and I think he's trying to exploit government for his business, but he's not trying to implement policies that help people in any way whatsoever.
It's all a matter of him trying to increase his own personal money and power any way he can.
Yes, there's a difference between those who want to govern and those who want to rule.
Jennifer, again, it's important to...
make that distinction that we're having the one discussion about mass deportations and how they're being handled versus the protests against that and how the Trump administration is covering them and you know whether media is covering them as a protest or as a riot it certainly is apparent that
the Trump administration still wants to go full steam ahead to the point where at a news conference for Homeland Secretary Kristi Noem yesterday, a US senator from California wanted to talk to the secretary and was tackled and handcuffed and dragged away despite identifying himself.
And while Kristi Noem essentially wasn't really telling the truth, I would argue, about the circumstances behind it.
I don't think I should anybody should hold their breath expecting an apology and that's things like this won't happen again.
Well she met with Padilla after the incident and I was just reading an inter about an interview that he gave about that meeting where he said she didn't apologize.
So so let you know that's not going to happen.
I do think that in in a normal world somebody
who was leading a press conference and is in a leadership role in the United States government would have said, hey, hey, hey, what's going on over there?
And she kept talking.
She did not stop.
And just so everybody's clear, she knows who Alex Padilla is.
He is the chair of the subcommittee or the ranking member of the subcommittee on immigration in the United States Senate.
That is the committee that deals with...
many of Christine Ohm's issues.
She knows who he is.
They've met before.
You know, when her team says he was engaging in political theater, I would argue they were engaging in political theater by pretending, oh my god, there's gambling going on here.
They were, you know, shocked that some, you know, oh, who is that?
They knew who he was.
They, she didn't try to stop it.
And even as he kept saying who he was, they, man, if you watch that video, it's brutal.
And if it can happen to a United States Senator from California, Jim, looking at this as an attorney and that people have, you know, First Amendment rights, but if they can do this to a Senator, again, you, you have an increasing amount of law enforcement officials.
that honestly I think have a personal fork in the road they've got to come to as far as whether they're there to uphold the law or if they are crossing the line into you know territory that I didn't think we'd see in this country with hidden police and acting in extra-legal means.
Pat, that's one of the principal things that comes to my mind whenever I see again the Batia incident, but beyond that, so many other things where you've got these masked, apparently federal officers and others who are out there executing their orders, doing what they're being told.
But I do wonder, again, having worked with law enforcement, state, local, and especially federal law enforcement for the better part of 30 years, these are people who have taken an oath to defend not a president, not a governor, no one particular person, but the Constitution and basic principles about how these things are to work.
You have to wonder if an awful lot of them, and we'll get another big test of that this coming weekend, if in fact there is additional.
involvement of law enforcement stopping these protests have to wonder if they themselves as they're going to work in the morning, engaging in these arrests, whether it's tackling Padilla or doing other things out there.
If they are wondering inside their own cognitive analysis, what am I doing here?
And it really is contrary to the basic concepts of law enforcement.
Once again, to arrest somebody, to place them in custody, just a little bit of civics here again, you got a probable cause to believe that they're violating the law, that there has been some law that has been obstructed here.
And again, free speech, as the judge in California just said a day or so ago, it's very strong.
And all those things have got to be analysis.
going on inside the heads of all these law enforcement officers wondering what they're doing.
But yet some of those law enforcement officers, Mark, are targeting the journalists themselves.
I mean, firing rubber bullets at reporters and camera crews, which I don't think is accidental.
I think that there's a degree of state sanctioned intimidation going on here.
people behind her, the law enforcement officials behind her, people behind her shoot that rubber bullet they shot at her.
Clearly there were no protesters in the area.
She was doing a stand-up and they're behind her and they fire at her and it's just shocking.
And I think that that's one of the things that's when I think most dangerous about
Trump is that he's he has clearly made the news media the enemy and he's made the facts the enemy and so he is and he's he's trying to get his people in law enforcement to see it the same way and to uh i mean he doesn't want us to cover uh this kind of stuff he doesn't he wants the cruelty toward immigrants to happen without anyone paying any attention to it or cheering it on he does not he does not want the facts to be to be out there
No, and again, that that strongman thing is intentional to try to win some kind of a PR war, if you will.
Jennifer, it is very easy.
We've talked about AI images, social media algorithms.
How did one one reporter call it catnip for right wing agitators, all the misinformation that's out there?
We can, should we wring our hands about it here?
Or can we talk about whether there's any way around it?
I think one of many things we've learned through the Trump years is that all of us, particularly media, but everybody, need to be really careful about what images we collect and we share.
And I would say with news media, again, I watched Fox.
It almost killed me.
they're so selective about the pieces of video images from LA that they take to feed their version of things.
So there's a scene, if something's on fire, it doesn't matter if that one little thing is on fire over here and nothing else is happening anywhere near it, which is the case in LA.
I've seen the map of where the protests are.
It's like a
teeny little couple blocks and LA is huge.
LA is not on fire but Fox takes that one little clip of video of something burning like the Waymo cars and gives you the impression the way they treat it and how frequently they share it that the whole city is on fire.
Media collecting those images
I mean, we can't do anything about Fox.
They are state media.
But everybody else really needs to kind of take a beat on it.
It might look really cool on television to have a little clip of fire.
But if you're going to use that, you need to tell people the context and repeat it and repeat it and repeat it.
Right.
Another another headline in Press Watchers says, how many people were arrested?
is a lousy way to cover protests.
That is not the barometer you should be using.
And Jennifer, you point to two different headlines.
One says, US Marines deployed to Los Angeles to help quell anti-ice riots.
Whereas the other headline says, LA protests, Trump sends thousands more troops in authoritarian move.
Same thing, two different ways of looking at it.
Reporting on
Right.
Yep.
From an accountability standpoint, Jim, when we talk about the law enforcement officers, and I don't want to overreact here, but I also don't want to downplay this, that at some point this is all going to pass.
To what degree should some of these law enforcement officers understand that there may, I would hope, will be accountability for abuses once this is all over and other people are in charge?
We know that there is constitutional exposure, if in fact even under assignments, even under direction.
You as a law enforcement officer and that applies very, very broadly.
You do something that violates someone else's constitutional rights.
You bust down a door without a warrant, without consent.
You arrest somebody without probable cause.
You engage in the search of an automobile, again, without probable cause to believe that there is something in that automobile.
It leads to a scintilla of evidence of a crime.
You do those things.
You're violating the Constitution, and you've also identified
what is in the law, regardless, victims of your conduct.
It's called Bivens Actions.
It's after a Supreme Court case.
It says you can, in fact, file a lawsuit.
Frankly, on behalf of the government, I was involved in a lot of those lawsuits, wrestling with what the parameters of that are.
And there is that exposure.
And frankly, it can't even be monetary exposure.
You can plainly get damages against the government for doing these kinds of things.
And again, you look back at this Bibbins case in particular, as they often do, commend reading it, because it talks about the fundamental right of law enforcement, yes, to do what it is doing to ensure safety and security, but also the right of the people not to have their basic fundamental rights of theirs trampled on by government.
For some of you, a local update is next.
For others, we'll continue the conversation here, including ABC firing somebody, the headline from a Mark Jacob video, when telling the truth is a fireable offense.
You can catch Jim Santel on Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings at nine.
Mark Jacobs newsletter at stopthepresses.news and Jennifer Schulze's in distinct chatter on Substack, search for news Jennifer.
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It will no doubt include some of my conversation with Supreme Court candidate Chris Taylor.
She is coming up right after the eight o'clock news right after we conclude things with our panel here, Mark Jacob, Jennifer Scholesy and Jim Santel.
Uh, Mark, I was mentioning before the break here that
You you and Steven Betchloss have the on target video series and the The headline here is when telling the truth is a fireball offense.
Can you give for folks that didn't follow this a little bit of background on what Terry Moran of ABC Did wrote or said that led to him no longer being with the network.
uh posted on social media uh last week I believe or over the weekend that he um that Donald Trump and especially Stephen Miller were world-class haters and explained that they know that that they had hate in their hearts and and especially he was focusing on Miller who you know obviously is you know has these white supremacist feelings and is turning it into policy.
It was a little unusual thing for a correspondent to post I could see why if I were his boss I would have been a little alarmed I'll say that but at the same time it was true I mean that the thing about it was it was true I mean Stephen Miller is pushes this kind of great replacement theory that Brown people are coming into the country to you know the steal the culture from white people and stuff like that I mean it he is a hater and so
It was one of those things where, yeah, I mean, how much should he have been punished for telling the truth?
And is it okay to tell the truth in today's world and journalism?
And my feeling about that is that I feel like that, I don't know Terry Baran, but I feel like he must have been, I think he was felt really bad about having to mute.
the truths for so long and put things and frame things so much in careful tones when what's go happening in front of us is a racist sexist attempt at dictatorship.
I mean, that's really Pat.
That's what's going on right now.
And for you to be in the news media and try to, you know, kind of soft pedal that must drive people crazy.
Jennifer, what was your own reaction to, you know, what he said and how ABC handled it?
bigger than just that post of Terry Moran's.
Recall that Terry Moran a few weeks ago did that interview with Donald Trump that got quite a bit of publicity because Moran pushed back on the idea, not the idea, the actual photo that Trump had posted showing
Kilmar, Obrego, Garcia, Photoshop, with what Trump said were MS-13 numbers on his hand, but it was Photoshop.
The President of the United States, let's remember everybody, posted a photo, a Photoshop photo lying about someone that they mistakenly took out of the country and put in a nasty prison in El Salvador.
And Moran did this interview with Trump where he pushed him on it.
And since then, Trump and his supporters, particularly in right wing media, have been attacking Moran quite aggressively and demanding he be fired.
So I think it's a culmination of all of that.
I too, like Mark, if I was his boss, I'd be like, oh my God, I don't need this.
And
I
Yeah, these countries are capitulating, or these companies are capitulating, and yeah, I agree with you.
I feel like we don't know everything there yet, and if I were his boss, I'd be like, okay, you don't need to apologize to them, but you should make some kind of a statement about, you know,
What's the word they like to use?
I was inelegant with my choice of words or something like that to say, look, I'm a journalist.
I should do better than that.
Jim, quickly, do you, from the text line, from somebody wanted to know if there was any update in the arrest of Judge Hannah Dugan in that case?
Anything new to report on that this week?
Nothing breaking in the sense of every every day breaking But this is that period of time when the judge and the federal court there the magistrate judge now ultimately judge Edelman reviewing the motions to dismiss and as we talked before this is premised in part upon the 10th amendment Judicial immunity they are fascinating concepts ultimately judge Edelman left to decide them.
It's going to be quiet for a while.
They're
There could be an evidentiary hearing, but unlikely we're going to hear anything anytime soon.
The trial date set for July almost certainly not going to stick just because you've got all these other things pending, but it may well be that sometime later this summer we'll get an initial recommendation from the magistrate judge about how to resolve those motions, goes up to the judge, he'll do that.
And maybe, maybe sometime in the fall there could be a follow up hearing of some kind of a war and some attention, but pretty quiet right now I suspect.
And for most of the summer, not to say that there's not a lot of litigating going on.
Lawyers do a lot of things in writing, a lot of filings with the clerk of court.
All right, Jim Santel's amicus a law review can be heard Saturday mornings nine o'clock on civic media playback on Sunday mornings.
Mark Jacob has the stop the presses newsletter stop the presses dot news.
Jennifer Schulze's indistinct chatter is on substack at news Jennifer is the handle you want to look for Jennifer Jim mark.
Thank you as always.
Have a happy weekend.
Nice
week
everybody.
All right, good to see you all.
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