Is ‘No Wake’ Too Woke? (Hour 1)

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Now, from our Lake WSOTA studio, here is the founding editor of Upnorth News, Pat Craiglow.

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6.

On this Monday morning, June 2nd, 2025, it's another beautiful morning to have you here up north.

Live from Lake WSOTA from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the Civic Media radio network,

or listening to us on the app, watching us on YouTube or Facebook, listening by podcast.

Thank you for starting your day and your week right here.

My thanks to Todd Alba for his capable job of filling in on Friday while I was traveling.

And along the lines of that traveling, I've got a question for you.

And it's mostly for you empty nesters.

Isn't it the craziest of bittersweet feelings to spend time with kids and grandkids?

and you say goodbye and you feel so sad and yet so good at how you're watching your kids and grandkids building their own lives and you're feeling good that you get to carry on back in your own routine, there is nothing like a right size visit.

If the visit's too brief, you are extra sad.

If the visit is a little too long, you start to get on each other's nerves, and I am happy to say it was a right-sized visit this weekend.

The Mountain West is just so gorgeous this time of year, and to be there and see our first grandson graduate high school just made it that much more magical.

It's at an area there in Idaho where, you know, the elevations are, you know,

7,000 feet or so.

And so there's just a little patch of snow left on top of most of the mountains, except the tallest ones, like the the Tetons still have a good layer of snow because they're so much higher.

But you just see these patches of snow.

Well, they look like patches.

If you were actually up there, you'd see there's still pretty big areas of snow.

But they're shrinking and they tend to disappear for good.

about July 1st and then about October 1st it starts to snow again so that very short summer in the Mountain West is coming and it's gorgeous and it was a lovely trip and again thanks to Todd and everybody for the filling in so that I could go attend the young man's graduation.

Coming up on the program today we have always known that our freshwater in Wisconsin is the envy of the country.

especially in areas that are struggling to maintain drinking water supplies.

But out of state interests are now trying to steal our fresh water, not just for drinking, but in this case for recreational use with little to no concern for the harm that their big old wake boats can do to water quality to our shorelines and to the quieter uses of the lakes by others.

So we're going to review a new court case that threatens to bankrupt our smaller communities because our legislature remains as inactive on the issue as a dead fish bobbing on the surface.

The latest trend in sports isn't on the field.

It isn't on the court.

It's name image licensing deals that allow student athletes to make money through endorsement deals without jeopardizing their amateur athletic status.

The NCAA has had it for a couple of years now and now the WIAA is going down that road with high school sports.

We'll talk to Civic Media's Jimmy Koska about the opportunities and the risks that come with mixing business cash with young people trying to excel in athletics and get an education.

Emphasis on education.

Also coming up, you know, Sean O'County is a big time liberal enclave, right?

Oh wait, it's not.

It is solidly Republican territory where the county board even went so far a couple years back to declare itself a second amendment sanctuary.

So you can imagine the surprise when the county made a list put out by the Trump administration last week of places hostile to their anti-immigrant activities.

We will explain this latest example of how competence in public service has been replaced.

by blind loyalty, complete with spelling errors, fake medical studies, and all kinds of unintended consequences when you play footsie with fascism.

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Meteorologist Brittany Merlot says it is going to be mostly sunny today, breezy, rather warm.

Maybe hot would be a better way to put it.

Mid 80s, pushing 90 today in parts of Wisconsin with a South Southwest wind at 10 to 20 miles an hour.

And then for tonight, increasing clouds and mild, there's a good chance of showers late in the northwestern half of the state, lows tonight in the low to mid sixties with a south-southwest wind around 10 miles an hour.

And then the fever breaks for tomorrow.

After we get through the heat of today, we start to get stormy and then we start to cool off with temps in a much more comfortable range of mid-70s or so throughout the rest of the week.

So again, that's the latest from meteorologist Brittany Merlot and we will get forecast updates all throughout the day here across the Civic Media radio network.

Parker Olson is standing by as well.

down in Madison and Lovely Studio A2 where there is now something on the wall, kids.

Good morning, Mr. Olsen.

Did you put that civic media banner up all by yourself?

I did.

Can you believe it?

I got the thumbtacks and everything.

Wait, you actually did do this?

Yeah, I put it up on Friday, I think.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'd like to state for the record that we have been badgering Luke Mathers and others to take care of this and you, you did it without, I mean, without delay.

First thing.

Yeah.

Okay.

I was like, Hey, there's a banner right there on the shelf.

Where are the thumbtacks?

Because here I'll show you.

I'm like, all

right, cool.

This is great.

Tony on YouTube says boo.

We need dear leader pictures of Luke and Greg.

Well, no, Luke couldn't get the job done.

So I'd say Greg too, but I know he's lurking around there someplace and we don't, you know,

We don't want, but speaking of which, uh, our friend Greg had quite the weekend.

I saw a Bobcat gold weight and who's the other comedian?

Was it Dana Gold?

Oh,

there he is.

The disembodied voice

of Greg Bach saying that it was a great weekend at the, the laughing tap.

So Greg, I hope, I hope that made you happy.

I hope it was a lot of fun.

And that's just where we're going to leave it.

So partner, I was your weekend.

It was very good.

I worked a couple of Mallards games, caught a ball while working a camera.

That was fun.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Where was the camera?

So we do, our camera is literally like next to the dugout on the field.

Which side?

First or third base dugout in this game.

Okay.

So went off the netting and then just came right to me, stuck a handout, snagged it out from a player who was about to grab it.

Um, sure.

Not a playing player.

He was on the bench.

Don't worry.

Um, yeah.

Did that also deflected another one, which definitely would have hit me in the head or the camera, like in the lens.

So that

when you say you deflected it, but not with your head is what you're saying.

Yeah.

Got a good hand in there.

Okay.

I

was a little red for a minute, but we're good now.

So that's all right.

That's funny that you say that because I've caught one foul ball and, you know, it wasn't.

going to do damage unless it hits you just right.

But in a different game, I did get hit just right and jammed a finger, not with a foul ball, but with a t-shirt.

Dude, from one of those, from one of those T-shirt guns, you know,

that

launches them up into the stands and it's coming straight down, you know, like a missile and I reach up to get it and this rolled up T-shirt just hits right the tip of the finger and just jams it.

But I'll never forget the foul ball, though, because I was in the bleachers.

This was a St.

Paul Saints game, just like the mallards,

the same

kind of setup at the stadium there.

And I'm in the first base bleachers.

And it was one of those where you could not have designed this better.

I mean, like the moment it came off the bat, I knew it was, you could just see it's coming right for me in a way that it wasn't that hard hit.

I'm like, I can actually catch this thing.

And I actually did catch this thing and did not embarrass my kids, you know, in the process of doing it.

So that's part of the fun of, you know, of doing.

of going to a baseball game of baseball overall, but you know what else is more fun about baseball?

What's that?

When your team is on a seven game winning streak.

I specifically recall saying to you and to the listeners on Thursday before I took off, you know, Brewers are doing good.

They got, you know, they've won four games in a row, but you know, temper your expectations.

They're going to Philly.

Philly's got the second best record in the major leagues.

They've won nine out of their last 10.

Well, not anymore.

The Brewers swept the Phillies in Philadelphia with with scores that were ridiculous.

I think Saturdays was what, 17 to seven,

something like

that.

Yeah.

It was just and yesterday they were down to nothing early, but they managed to come back and beat the Phillies five to two.

So that's a three game sweep and they extend their winning streak to seven games.

This is amazing stuff.

I mean, the bats were going crazy this weekend.

I can't believe I genuinely did not think I would see a win streak of more than two games this year.

So this

has

all been like baffling to me after the start.

When I said on Thursday says their second four game win streak of the season, they had a four game win streak the second week of the season after being swept by the Yankees to start the season.

And I thought, well, that's that's probably it.

You know, two four game win streaks and blah, blah, blah.

No, the the bats have come alive.

The field.

It's like the gloves all of a sudden got really sticky.

And that's, you know, that's good.

It was Milwaukee's first series sweep in Philadelphia since 2015.

There was a downside and that Christian Yelich got hit with a hand, got hit with a pitch in the hand.

Right hand, it's a bruise, x-rays were negative.

So it's a day to day thing.

He's batting 233 this season, but he leads the team with 12 home runs and 39 RBIs.

And so obviously we're hoping for some quick healing there.

The big series this weekend was supposed to be the Dodgers Yankees.

And what was that score on Saturday?

It was like 18 to two.

Something.

Yeah, it was not.

Dodgers just crushed the Yankees.

Although I'm also seeing like how many home runs does Aaron Judge have now?

It's like, I don't know.

200, it feels like, I mean, just so many home runs.

I'm not taking it away from Yelich with his 12, but holy cow, the bats, when you look at the Yankees and Dodgers and you're thinking, wow, these are giants, not the San Francisco kind.

But it was just a good.

a good baseball weekend overall, a lot of fun to watch, and hopefully Yelich doesn't do something like last season where he missed exactly 50% of the games on the season.

But that was a back issue, not a hand issue, so hopefully things are back for that.

Anyway, what happens next?

Well, the Brewers head to Cincinnati.

for a road trip that continues, and things will begin with a first pitch at 610, so I believe pregame should be about 535 here across the Civic Media Radio Network, evening games in Cincinnati tonight and tomorrow, and then a day game on Wednesday.

First pitch will be at 1140 in the morning, so again a nice early pregame.

Brewers versus Cincinnati.

Let's take a pause here from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pac Wright Long.

All right.

Well, my clock says we should be here.

So I'm just going to continue to prattle on here and tell you that the Brewers Red Series does indeed get started at 535 tonight on several civic media stations, Richland Center, Oshkosh.

We're seeing Kenosha Park Falls and of course the newest Brewers affiliate up north, WBZH and Hayward.

535 this evening, 535 tomorrow and then 1105 in the morning.

will be the start on Wednesday for that series between the Brewers and Cincinnati.

Let's see the since we last spoke, the NBA and NHL finals are set.

The Stanley Cup finals will be Edmonton versus Florida.

And again, it's been how many years since an NHL team has won the Stanley Cup.

So a whole lot of us are rooting for the Edmonton Oilers simply because I

cannot get excited about Florida hockey.

Then I was so happy to see the Dallas Stars getting eliminated because again, even though I've been in Wisconsin for most of my life now, there's still enough Minnesota roots in me to remember when a business guy named Norm Green lifted the Minnesota North Stars out and took them down to Dallas and see them eliminated does my heart a lot of good.

Let's see on social media and on the Up North News website right now.

There is a story there about the Packers announcing the start of training camp and family night dates that are coming up.

The Green Bay Packers family night is scheduled for the first Saturday in August.

Training camp will begin a few days earlier here.

The first preseason game will be August 9th, hosting the New York Jets.

Then this all leads up to the first regular season game.

325 is the start time on September 7th.

against the Detroit Lions at Lambeau Field.

You can get all these details and more.

Head over to UpNorthNewsWI.com and get the latest on that.

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Should be out by now.

Let me take a peek here.

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Let's see.

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That law was signed by Governor Lee Dreyfus back in 1982.

Find out the other ways that Wisconsin has been a leader in diversity and recognizing the humanity and contributions of everybody, including those in the LGBT community.

Let's

Talk for a couple of moments here, and we may bring this up once or twice more during the day, but our attention was called to a story about wake boats.

Wake boats are boats that are specially modified to, like they say, give you a larger wake.

All boats, once that engine gets going, will put a wake behind it.

But these are intentional, so you can wakeboard, waterski, whatever the case may be.

The fact of the matter is there should be rules against this.

There are rules against how close a boat can operate to shore, but that was without these modifications.

And so between the damage to the shore, the disruption of the water, disrupting other people who are trying to fish swim or anything else, the noise and everything, there should be rules.

Who should come up with the rules, local or state?

Well, right now, locals are trying to do the work because we have a state legislature that is, you know, firmly in the pockets of the people who have the most money.

Well, one small Wisconsin town tried to put a ban on wake surfing, now a lawsuit by a Texas resident and a Florida resident who have property on Birch Lake Island within the town of Scott in Burnett County are suing, trying to get the local ban on wake surfing overturned, saying that the regulation is illegal and unconstitutional.

But it's there because a growing number of communities are trying to regulate the use of these wake boats over concerns about shoreline erosion, the fish habitat, invasive species that these boats bring in and things like that.

And so it's worth offering this reminder that our lakes and rivers and streams, they don't belong to the property owners, whether you're from out of state or in state.

The waters belong to the people, to everyone.

So don't be fooled by people telling you that people who live on the lakes get a bigger voice than you.

And I say that as somebody who's lived here on Lake Wissota for 30 years.

We are all stakeholders in the quality of our lakes and other waters.

At the same time, the people who do live alongside our waters have every right to expect that our waters will be used responsibly and not in a way that damages their property or disrupts their lives through noise or trash or water quality.

So long come folks from out of state who buy property and believe this gives them a free pass to use our waters while being indifferent to their neighbors and Others who use our lakes and that just ain't so So who sets the rules for what's allowed and what's good and what's harmful?

Well in a perfect world the rules would be set by whomever takes care of our waters most responsibly I can't

tell you that state government should give way to local control if some local governments are going to be short-sighted and ruin what they have.

I can't tell you local governments should bow to state government if they're going to be helpless to watch the state tell them that they are not allowed to protect what they have from overdevelopment or damaging wakes and so on.

Here's what I know.

Republicans have controlled the legislature for 14 years.

They won that control in 2010

promising to be the party of local control.

And since that time, they have proven to simply be the party of control.

If they're in control of state government, they want to control any effort by local folks to take care of their resources.

It's long past time for the legislature to stand up to local communities and help make sure that the local communities can protect what's theirs and not just sit idly by.

and watch as local communities rack up huge legal bills fighting these lawsuits.

Basically, the GOP lawmaker should be saying, if you can afford a boat that big, you can afford to take it somewhere where it'll do less damage.

You can probably take it to one of the growing number of manmade lakes people are building just to play with their toys.

Go play with your toys over there.

Kristen Lyle is up next after the Midwest Farm Report.

You're on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Kratlow.

you

Welcome back.

It's Monday morning.

It's June 2nd, which means yesterday was June 1st.

You like how I did that?

I'll sit on a math major.

I was not.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here as well.

How are you?

It's bike week.

Is it bike week?

It is.

It

started yesterday, so

get on

your wheels.

Two, three, four, whatever it takes.

Let's go.

I mentioned June 1st because June 1st marked the anniversary of the day we bought our house.

June 1st, 1995.

So as of yesterday, we have owned this place for 30 years.

That was like in the last century.

I

know, way back in the 1900s.

Wow.

So it occurred to us, of course, yesterday, last night as we got back home after the trip out west, we're like...

We've been here 30 years.

We were, we were 30 when we bought this place with a, you know, two little girls and a new puppy.

Um, nothing really to speak of for a lawn, a completely unfinished basement, a couple of scrawny elms, which have grown up and gone away since that time.

I mean, and you too, as a home, are you telling me last time you were here with all the mulch that you had to spread?

I'm sure you, you were doing projects this weekend as well.

I love to garden and work in the yard and piddler on the house and do little house projects.

So I would go from one room to the next room and say, here's something else I need to do and pick something else up.

And it was one of those days where I just felt like I was knocking projects off.

I love those days.

You know, we had that, the prior weekend where it just felt like, okay, we're going to do this.

Now we're going to do this, going to do this.

And you're taking your handiwork afterwards.

You're like, this is why we bought a house.

This, this is why you do this.

The place that we thought, we thought we were going to be there here, uh, 12 years.

That would be when the nest was going to be empty, you know, and then up we go and, you know, we'll go see the rest of the world.

Well, we've managed to see parts of the world, but this is still definitely the.

the home base for us, Tony writing on YouTube.

I bet your house cost a nickel back then.

Comparatively, yes.

And you put a few nickels in, Sunspen.

Boy have we put the nickels in.

I mean, honestly, when this was not our first, we look at it now and we laugh about how this was not our first choice of a house.

And we look now at what we've turned it into.

It's like, how did we think that a home on Lake Wasota was like, eh, you know, I guess we'll make do with this.

Well, also at the time,

as you know there was a lot of student loan debt going on after med school so

After after that got taken care of then we could go crazy after that.

So you got house projects done You mentioned bike weeks.

I'm guessing there were there was a hundred mile bike ride in there someplace

No, we're doing a big one next weekend though.

There is a ride in Fond du Lac that pays tribute to a police officer and a fallen police officer and of course my partner is a police officer So that's going to be a really important ride for us to

do.

Okay

It says here on the screen under your name, Dr. Christon Lawley, host the Dr. Christon Lawley show.

Oh my gosh.

There must have been a show this weekend.

It was a really good one.

So Mimi Gerner and Lynn Meschke joined me to talk about Medicaid.

These are women who are Medicaid advocates.

They are living this.

They understand all the different programs within Medicaid, how it works and how we are in danger of losing critical services for people who need them the most.

And I just want to give a shout out to Jordan Anderson.

If you're listening this morning.

Yes.

Yes.

Jordan shared his personal story.

He is a man.

who lives with a disability.

And in his spare time, he does beautiful advocacy work.

So thank you, Jordan.

Keep up the great work.

It's so good to be in this fight with you, my friend.

Oh my goodness.

Love his posts.

We love getting the notes from him, the emails.

So yes, thank you, Jordan, for all you do.

And if you want to hear back the recent show that Kristen did or any others, well, I can tell you the one she just did.

If you go to civicmedia.us on the homepage, the very first thing listed there

is this past weekend's episode of The Dr. Kristen Lyrely Show.

You know, it's so fun about looking at that page.

When I scroll down, my show is right beneath Charlie Barron's, and it was at that point that my sons realized that I was a big deal.

You have arrived.

Oh, that's funny.

Yes, Charlie Barron's also heard on the weekends here, but yeah, there you look at that right there by the Cripescast podcast.

That's fun.

Civic Media.us.

Made it boys.

Very nice.

I texted you over the weekend as I was traveling.

This was not one of those times where we went to Idaho driving all the way, which is a gorgeous drive through North Dakota, Montana, through the prairies and in the mountains and through Yellowstone and all that.

This time we flew to Salt Lake City, which is also gorgeous.

And we made a three hour drive from there.

And it was it was just

Wonderful.

Love the drives out there.

We just, we just love road trips overall.

And at one point I texted you because as I was looking through things that people had sent out, there was, uh, oh, from Selena Heller, who will join us later.

She wanted to call out a campaign ad.

from somebody who was getting in the race in South Carolina to run against Senator Lindsey Graham next year, a pediatrician by the name of Dr. Annie Anders.

And it was a really good ad.

And I, of course, sent you that note going, hey, have you seen this?

And of course, your response was.

well

I

tried to recruit Annie we go way back and I tried to recruit her to do some physician work physician advocacy work and about two months ago she said Kristen I can't commit because

I'm going to run for U.S.

Senate against Lindsey Graham.

And I was like, oh my gosh.

And then to see her ad, which is hilarious and so on point at one point, she shows an X-ray of a kid.

She's a pediatrician and X-ray of a kid's belly.

And it is what we call FOS.

There's a lot of poop in there.

He's constipated and she, she compares this kid's X-ray with Lindsey Graham.

This kid is literally full of something.

And so is Lindsey Graham.

It was it was great.

It was refreshing.

It was real.

And it again, and I say this because we both have run for Congress and lost.

I look back at your commercials and go, really?

How did people not go with this?

You know, and I mean, and I can say that because I get forever to look around and go, I lost to Sean Duffy.

Really?

Okay.

And so Annie Andrews, you know, she might beat Lindsey Graham.

She might not.

But I just know from watching her ads and your ads.

this is exactly what we need more of.

You don't win every race but we need people getting into it.

You you could still be just a very private practicing physician and yet you know you've gone from running uh to advocating to leading you know uh at the national level uh medical groups like uh you know the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists uh and all that pales in comparison because now you got a radio show that's compared to Charlie you know Charlie Barron's so you know

We need more people getting involved.

And you did

it.

I know.

We were at the Brown County Dems Spring Fling last night, which is a big fundraiser for Brown County Dems.

And you wouldn't believe the enthusiasm.

People are stepping up.

They're wanting to run for office.

Usually a year from now, we're begging people to run for office.

And people are like, I want to be part of it.

I want to make phone calls.

I want to knock on doors.

I want to use my talent.

people want to get involved because things are feeling really ugly and hard and that is a great outlet to use your energy for the greater good.

Oh, without a doubt.

So anybody that has any, any questions, if you have even the slightest inkling of running for something, and it doesn't have to be Congress or even the legislature can be, you know, the next time there's an opening on your school board or county board, reach out and folks, there are so many folks out there who want to help you one way or the other, because again, I'm sorry, go ahead, Kristen.

Oh, me.

I

want

to help.

Find me.

Dr. Kristen Lierly.

I'm on all the socials.

Reach out to me.

I will help you.

I will get you connected.

There's so much good stuff, and your talent matters.

There's a place for everybody here.

There you go.

Tony on YouTube.

I've been begging Pat to run for governor, and this punk keeps refusing.

There's a reason for that.

Look, there are all kinds of good people.

who should be running for things because again, somehow the goofballs managed to get in.

And that takes us to Robert Kennedy Jr.

And this latest thing about his Make America Healthy Again report, it was a report that

you know, he and the White House put out and it talked about all these problems in American health and the things they want to do about it.

And it seems like if a report comes out of the White House or if a study comes out about American health, it should be worth the paper it's printed on.

It shouldn't be fake.

And there is so much fakery in here that I don't know this for sure, but again, it has the look of something that they trusted AI to put together, which included making up citations to other studies that don't exist, Kristen.

This is a problem that I see all the time because I'm a physician who is trained in science and spent a lot of time talking about evidence and data.

and truth.

And for doctors to be able to talk about politics, it's really hard because we get sucked down this rabbit hole of being able to prove every little bit of it.

We're obligated to that.

Robert F. Kennedy is doing exactly the opposite.

He is just saying whatever serves him.

I mean, this link between autism and vaccines has been disproven over and over and over again.

And I bet you, dollars to donuts, he is

going to prove that link is valid come September with fake news and fake data because they just don't care.

And this report proves it that this stuff is just it's based in garbage.

It's not even real.

But it kind of doesn't matter because people believe it anyway.

The

level of propaganda is just it's it's I just can't even I just can't even

in a normal time.

which was up until, you know, Trumpism came along.

Up until then, putting out a report like this, never mind that it was publicly put out by Robert Kennedy Jr.

and the Trump White House, it would have led to multiple resignations.

I mean, from the get go, the moment a report came out with fake information, but because it's put out by the people who refer to real news outlets as fake news,

We're now in this up as down, down as up, Alice in Wonderland world where if the people who are screaming fake news now put out fake studies, people go, oh yeah, these are the people that called out the fake news, which isn't fake.

And we're demonizing people who actually have real news and evidence and data and good intentions and want to take care of you and make sure that you have great information to base your healthcare decisions on.

And it gets me to another quandary that we have in Trumpism and that is again, you don't you don't gain anything by calling certain people stupid, especially those people who might, you know, vote for some people.

And yet this, this putting out a fake report is stupid.

It is the pinnacle of stupidity to have incompetent people leading our government and

That's all you can do if anybody else wants to connect the dots you connect the dots They they've had a lot of money.

They can run a lot of political ads.

You can fool a lot of the people some of the time I'm just telling you Putting out a report like this when you are in a position of trust as an elected official is the very pinnacle of Stupidity and so it makes it so outrageous and I'm glad you use the word propaganda Because when you use fake information as a government source

That's propaganda.

That's the very definition of fascism that people ought to be alarmed about.

Yeah, it makes me so angry because people are vulnerable and they think this is real and these leaders are taking advantage of people and it's hurting us as individuals and within communities and as a physician I talk with these people in my office and I hear their stories and they feel bad.

They

feel bad and they're hurt.

So we just we have to keep putting the facts out there and calling out garbage like this.

And that's exactly what it is.

Selena Heller Up North News reporter is going to be along in a bit and today's history lesson is next as we always do mornings up north and live here on the Civic Media Radio Network sign up for our newsletters head over to UpNorthNewsWI.com click newsletter in the top banner to be a subscriber back right after this.

Welcome to Pat and Kristen's Dance Party on this Monday morning, June 2nd, 2025.

Today's history lesson kicks off with Whitney Houston, who on this day in 1987 released her second album, Whitney.

I want to dance with somebody.

It was the big hit off of that.

There's no, I'm trying not to make this a morbid thing, but

That's actually somewhere on our funeral list You know a lot of people for their for their list would be like you know have these hymns or all these other sad songs or whatever It's like no that one is like it so says where we were in the late 80s as far as just going out dancing all the time and This was a big part of that one was Whitney's I want to dance with somebody

I can just picture you and Sherry sitting on the deck having this conversation and making your funeral playlist

No, we didn't I have not actually done that.

No.

Nope.

We

I've just, I've, I've thought about that going, you know, if you ever did, that would be, that would be a thing because we, you would want to remember the, the fun stuff like that.

Um, and for us, it was dancing all the time at shenanigans on water street or at trader and trapper.

Um, you know, and, oh, here's another girl who did a lot of dancing at trader and trapper and shenanigans.

No,

no.

No, no.

One Selena Heller reporting in from Eau Claire now.

What do you mean?

No.

Oh my heavens, I just watched.

You just

watched?

Well, I mean, maybe a time or two, but

that was

her alter ego that was dancing all night long.

Yeah, that was Sabrina Seller.

Sabrina was out there dancing.

That's Selena.

Yeah, I did.

We went in character once out on Water Street.

I went as a, what was I?

a nun or no a pregnant a pregnant person oh my gosh we don't know the difference between not a pregnant person i remember who i was we had a nun

dressed up and I was was I the pregnant person?

I don't remember or I don't know.

And so we had to stay in character.

No, my another girl was a pregnant person.

And so she was like drinking and she got it was good because people got on her.

But

I'm certain maybe you should have been on water street more often as yourself.

You're

always in character.

Well, before we leave the dance music, Kristen,

Did you have a favorite place to go out and do some dancing in college or med school?

Oh, it was called Lindsay's.

And then I named my son after it.

Does he know

that?

What?

No,

it's

a

coincidence.

I didn't actually name him after the club.

Yeah, Lindsay, that's just exactly what we're saying.

That's what I tell my

college friends.

Yeah.

All right, let's get away from the dance music.

Let's tell you about the number one song this day and 1962 was by Ray Charles.

Dana Carvey is 70 years old today.

Wayne Brady is 53 today.

It was on this day in 1953 that the coronation of Queen Elizabeth at Westminster Abbey became the first British coronation and one of the first major international events to be televised The number one song this day in 1973 was by Paul McCartney and Winx Here they come

now

Nothing but silly love songs from this guy.

It was from the group's second album, Red Rose Speedway, which was the number one album this week as well in 1973.

The late Charlie Watts, drummer for the Rolling Stones, was born this day in 1941, passed away in 2021.

The number one song this week in 1979 was by Donna Summer.

Oh, yeah, Monday.

Here we go.

Now we're back on the dance floor again

here.

I guess.

I'm still waiting for Sabrina over here to have better recollections of where she did her dancing, but it was just too good of a student, I guess.

The pickle?

I don't know.

Hard to believe that we're not talking about the pickle on Water Street this early in the morning.

Finally,

this week in 2002, it's now been 23 years since Eminem topped the album charts with his fourth studio album, The Eminem Show.

And

that's really about all we can play from that song right there.

We need to stop it right there before we get any trouble with the FCC as mentioned in the song.

Yes.

Let's see on the National Day calendar today.

This is Rocky Road Day.

Any Rocky Road ice cream lovers out there?

Not a thing of nuts in the ice cream.

No, this is rotisserie chicken day.

I do love a good rotisserie chicken.

That's some good stuff.

This is American Indian Citizenship Day and National First Ladies Day.

When we remember all the wives who have served as First Ladies to presidents over the years.

here in this country.

So Selena, let's see, we were talking about house stuff earlier.

Was that part of your weekend as well?

Or were you able to get out and about?

Oh, both.

Um, let's see, I planted flowers finally.

So that was good.

A little

behind on flowers.

Uh, we did the doll and pet parade.

Whiskers was in a parade.

I think it's the fifth or sixth year in the parade.

He's a big hit because usually people bring dogs to the doll and pet parade here in Eau Claire, but

Whiskers is usually the only cat.

Whiskers is on a leash.

I hold whiskers and we

have a

pet stroller, of course.

A

pet stroller.

Okay.

And you realize the doll in pet parade was still a thing in Eau Claire.

It is the Kiwanis club took it over it was the water street merchants forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and then it was moved to a park and then so we just walk in the park and it's a really it was a really nice morning and they have a theme every year so we dressed up circus this year.

I was a clown.

You were a

clown.

Yeah, I can see where that might be a problem.

So much more head saline is going to tell us one of the stories she's worked.

She's worked on the past few days that includes hearing from Senator Tammy Baldwin during an event here in the Chippewa Valley.

All coming up in the next hour of our program live here on the Civic Media Radio Network from Lake Wasota.

I'm Pac Wright.

Well, back after the news.

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Now, for my Lake WSOTA studio, here is the founding editor of Upnorth News, Pat Crichtlow.

Good morning, it is 7 0 6.

It's a Monday morning, June 2nd, 2025.

Yeah, we flipped the page on the calendar.

If you missed it, welcome.

Happy June, June Dairy Month, Pride Month summers here.

You can tell.

because of all the smoke.

Canada is on fire again, so that fits into part of today's weather outlook as well.

Dr. Kristen Lierly is with us.

Selena Heller here as well.

Brittany Merleau a little bit under the weather here, but we

do.

She's under the weather.

That's funny.

That

was way more funny than that deserved to be.

But yes, sunny, breezy and hot was what she put down for us.

Mainly mid 80s, pushing 90 today.

with a south southwest wind at 10 to 20.

Increasing clouds and mild tonight.

A good chance of showers late in the northwestern half of the state.

Low to mid sixties tonight with a southwest wind around 10.

I don't know if anybody saw much for Northern Lights last night.

We were supposed to get some kind of a big Northern Lights show but again that that Canadian wildfire smoke.

I mean it's it is really pronounced.

I mean especially with that setting sun.

was such an easy to see big old round ball because the smoke was just so thick.

You could just tell we flew into, we flew in last night.

As soon as we got off the plane, we just, you could smell it, you know,

in the air

out there, Selena.

Yes, we were looking at that sun the other.

I said, Emery, don't quit looking.

And she's like, well, you can really see it because there's just this bright orange.

I'm like, well, just OK, stop looking at it.

That was last night.

Oh, orange.

I can't stop looking.

Yeah.

It does.

It does have kind of a Star Wars feel to it, like you're seeing the sun's up in the sky there.

But yeah.

But that also, by the way, the serious note of that is if you or somebody you love has any respiratory issues,

It's not good out there.

Keep the windows closed.

Put the AC on and take care of yourself.

Good morning from Tigerton.

Rob writes, smokey skies and 56 degrees.

I had three mowing jobs over the weekend.

I did my weekend volunteering job watering the flowers for Tigerton Main Street.

He says Tigerton is the smallest community on the Wisconsin Main Street program, which is really neat.

He says this week road work got underway along Highway 29 in Western Marathon.

County.

So yeah, we appreciate all of the updates there on the road work.

There's a lot of it going on 53 here up in Chippewa County.

a lot of work taking place up there and so everybody just you know use use caution when you're out there on the roadways.

Selena oh wait Selena hold I'm going to talk to you about what Senator Baldwin did in the Chippewa Valley here recently and you also did a story for our counterparts in Iowa from Courier Newsroom about a

We were just talking about misinformation from Robert Kennedy Jr.

Well, some of the information that they have to take in classes in Iowa are based on false information that Dr. Lyrely knows all about.

So we're going to talk to both Kristen and Selena about these things.

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So again, text new.

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And finally, Rob concludes from Tigerton.

I hope my civic media people all have a super day.

I'm really hooked on civic media for all the latest news and information.

We

appreciate that so much.

Let's start, Selene, if you don't mind with the story out of Iowa, while we've got Kristen here.

The headline out of Iowa's starting line is, Iowa students will have to watch an inaccurate video thanks to Republican lawmakers.

The the lead here that Selena writes a pregnancy education bill is awaiting Governor Kim Reynolds signature if signed it will require students in grades 5 to 12 to view a fetal development video as part of their human growth and development instruction.

And the law prohibits.

any educational material created by medical institutions like the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, the University of Iowa Hospital and Clinics, and along with organizations like Planned Parenthood.

I

mean, that's

just, that's just, that's just for starters

of what's

all in this.

So what, what is this about the, the inaccurate video that comes with this law?

So it doesn't name a specific video, but it's modeled after a video.

It's called Meet Baby Olivia, which was produced by an anti-abortion group.

So that's kind of where it stems from.

And this video is kind of out in a lot of places, but it misrepresents gestational age, makes false claims about viability and uses narration that kind of emotionally manipulates the viewers.

And so people say, you know, don't use the kids as kind of political ponds.

So that's the kind of whole idea.

So it could go into effect July 1st if it is signed.

So next school year.

How does that work out, Dr. Lairly, when students are watching human development videos that are not accurate?

This is already a law in North Dakota and I think Tennessee.

These are cartoons that show this very watered down perfect version.

It's a fantasy version of what life in the womb might be like.

There are no abruptions in there.

There are no amniotic bands.

There are no fibroids.

The placenta is normal.

It's so wrong and it's so inaccurate and the fact that they won't

allow real evidence and information from the University of Iowa.

That is your flagship university.

Let those people create your human growth and development video.

Don't use propaganda.

Again, propaganda from an outside group with an agenda intended to control and manipulate young people.

It's just and it is again Orwellian almost how the instruction refers to human development rather than fetal development It's called a womb instead of a uterus There is a high quality rendering animation or image that depicts the humanity of the unborn child in other words again, you know

not looking like a real medical condition, but like you said, cartoonish is essentially what this is.

Fetuses aren't little humans that are, they're different, they're evolving, they're growing, and lots of things happen inside the womb, inside the uterus that are not represented here.

So this is fictional.

It is inaccurate and people based their health care decisions on this kind of information.

It's wrong.

And Selena you quote Maisie still well director of public affairs for Planned Parenthood advocates of Iowa that calls it despicable and shameless.

Our students deserve to be taught curriculum that is bound in facts so that they're equipped with the necessary tools to make informed decisions about their lives and their futures.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

And, and they even kind of some, some things went to doctors and said, you know, specifically, what is wrong with this?

And so they even have that information just specifically, what is wrong about this?

And still, still it has proceeded.

So they

don't actually care because I don't know if you heard what Joni Ernst said over the weekend, but we're all going to die.

Yes, what is happening in Iowa?

with these women who are leaders, their governor, their US senator, who are just completely discounting the lives of Iowans, selling them this bill of goods that is based in fantasy, not facts, and not at all providing for the health and wellbeing of Iowans.

And when the physicians and regular people try to push back, they're completely sidelined.

I just don't get it.

They're honestly people who deserve to be run out of office.

I mean, there should be such an outcry that essentially demands their resignation for such inaccuracies and for literally politicizing healthcare.

And that's how you get to decisions like kicking people off of Medicaid.

How you get people like, again, Congressman Derek Van Orden.

Saying the other day that, you know, people are lying if they say that people are gonna have their Medicaid benefits cut.

Let's again make clear Congressman Van Orden and everybody else, you show us all of the fraud and abuse.

Don't just say it.

Don't just say there's fraud and abuse.

Don't just say that there's undocumented immigrants.

Get it.

Prove it.

Doge cuts.

Again, prove it.

Prove it.

Waste fraud and abuse are illegal.

Fraud is illegal.

Show me the charges.

And then we'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

But right now, this is all propaganda.

This is all lies.

And it's all going to be called out so that folks next year and in every election beyond, look past the political ads and the talking points and deal with who's dealing with fact and who is dealing with fiction.

And that's what we have to put up with here, Selena.

So I was in Iowa on Monday and I shot a story in Iowa and talking about waste, fraud, and abuse.

And that's kind of the key term from the state auditor in Iowa about the school voucher program because the state voucher program cannot be audited in the state of Iowa.

And so I was in Iowa

in

front of a private school talking about this and I was looking around and I thought, oh gosh, I hope I don't get in trouble here because I'm talking about this program that does not.

They made it so the auditor cannot audit voucher program and the eligibility now for this next school year to participate in the voucher program is lifted.

So anybody can get...

That's the next level that you're standing in front of a school trying to tell a story about how people are being duped and you're afraid to tell the story because you're going to get in trouble.

It's the lies.

It's the fear.

It's the division like enough already.

We've got to have the courage as people as humans to come together and stand up for what is right and what is true.

And I'm just going to say the lead part again because we made that transition from, you know, human growth and development to Medicaid to this.

the story that I was editing of your Selena on the drive home yesterday, that the voucher school program again in Iowa was specifically written so that the state auditor could not audit the use of tax dollars for the voucher program.

Why did they do that?

Because the state auditor is a Democrat, the only Democratic state official.

is the auditor.

The watchdog of taxpayer dollars and Republicans specifically wrote the voucher law so that millions upon millions upon millions of tax dollars could go there for teachers.

How did you put it?

They could use it for like a vacation.

They could

send a

teacher to Paris for

leather furniture.

He said they could put in the teacher's lounge.

Nobody knows.

Nobody knows because

the state auditor isn't allowed to audit it.

That's where we are again.

This should be, if this went the other way, I mean there would be torches and pitchforks out there.

If Democrats wrote a law like this that the one Republican auditor couldn't audit it.

This is where we are at this point and it needs to be called out relentlessly and that's why your hearing us be so relentless about it.

I'm the other side of the break.

Selena Heller's back with us on many of these civic media radio network stations to talk about Senator Tammy Baldwin and a recent event and a local dairy farmer advocating speaking out for yourself in this day and age.

You got to in this day and age.

The way things are going.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Kratlow.

Are you kidding me with the Milwaukee Brewers here?

Seven games in a row and sweeping the Philadelphia Phillies in Philadelphia.

Did you see the score on Saturday?

Yes, I did.

It was a lot of fun.

It was a lot of

points.

Oh my goodness.

It was it was that kind of a weekend.

There were some big lopsided wins throughout the weekend in baseball and I just want to make 17 to 7.

17 to 7.

It's a football score.

Packers over the Eagles

on

Saturday.

But it was the Brewers instead.

And so after sweeping three in Philly, they are now on their way to Cincinnati.

Coverage begins this evening at 535 across stations on the Civic Media radio network for three against Cincinnati.

And then the Brewers are back home Thursdays and off day.

And let's see what begins next is a 10 game.

home stands starting with San Diego.

They'll be playing the Padres Friday and Saturday evenings and then Sunday afternoon, followed by three against Atlanta, followed by four against the St.

Louis Cardinals coming to American Family Field.

So...

I think I'm going to say it this way because I said last week, oh, they're going to fill the out.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's going to be tough.

And then they sweep the Phillies.

So

in Philly.

Yeah.

So I'm going to say, oh, gosh, brewers.

I don't know.

Three in Cincinnati.

That's we'll see.

So there you go.

The onus is on you guys now.

Selena Senator Tammy Baldwin came to the Chippewa Valley the other day appeared at a local farm to talk about the budget that has been passed out of the house is sitting in the Senate where it's no doubt going to get modified in some way shape or form.

maybe in big ways, depending on how some of these votes come down.

What did Senator Baldwin have to say about that?

Yeah, she said they reconvene today.

So that starts back up and it'll get changed around a lot.

She said, you know, some of her colleagues have differing opinions.

And so this is Senator Baldwin at the Peck family farm in Chippewa Falls, where we took a tour of the whole entire farm and the barns and saw the cows and just talked to Jeff Peck.

And we'll hear from him in a second.

But we got to talk a lot to farmers about what was going on.

But she talks about the

the Farm Bill here.

All right, here's Tam.

Or not

the Farm Bill, the Budget Bill.

Here's Senator Baldwin.

I think it has a tough road ahead of it.

I will tell you that I have some of my Republican colleagues who are going to join Democrats in opposing it because they think that the cuts to the most vulnerable are too steep and will hurt their constituents in their

largely rural states.

And then I have other Republican colleagues who have announced that the cuts don't go far enough, that they won't pass a tax measure unless it's fully paid for.

And so right now, there's more nose in the Senate than there are yeses.

But what sort of changes we might make and send it back to the House, or whether we reject it in its entirety and say, let's start over.

it remains to be seen.

So there's Senator Baldwin talking about a bill that its future is uncertain because once again, inside Republican caucuses, first the House and now the Senate, they can't agree amongst themselves, Selena, that the bill cuts too much or it cuts too little.

Well, yeah, and things like, you know, the SNAP program, Medicaid, of course, all of those things and...

at the same time there's so many things going on with agriculture so when we after we toured the farm we talked to Tammy and you know when I think of farmers you know my dad I grew up on farm and they're kind of a quiet bunch sometimes my dad had really strong opinions but they tend not to you know be too outspoken in front of everybody so Jeff Tech

on the farm there was kind of advocating for farmers and everybody kind of who has thoughts about anything.

A lot of people don't feel like they should be the voice of their business or of agriculture and it really is.

I just met with United States Senator Tammy Baldwin and we just had a conversation.

She was just a normal person.

She was happy to just walk around the farm.

And we were in my shop.

We were with my calves.

We were outside my parlor.

We were looking at my feed piles.

Just everyday conversation.

So people can do it.

They can speak up for themselves.

And it's one of those things, if you're not at the table, then you're on the menu.

And so those people that just don't think it's for them, don't be afraid of the microphone.

And to that end, again, Senator Baldwin being on the farm there, Kristen, contrast that with what Senator Ron Johnson had to say the other day in Milwaukee about he's not aware of any poor people who ever created a job.

Let's start with farmers who aren't well to do and who create jobs.

Let's just start there.

That's the foundation of our economy here in Wisconsin is agriculture is farmers who create jobs So I don't know what senator Johnson is saying, but I do have to say there is one place where I agree with senator Johnson And that is I'm very concerned about this budget and how it increases the deficit Because the more we increase the deficit and we fail to meet our obligations the more we undermine the economic stability of the entire country Not just right now, but well into the future

And so for those folks who are like, oh yeah, suddenly the liberals are concerned about the debt and the deficit.

That's always been there.

You can take care of that with a tax system that is, you know, fair, that does not let billionaires pay a lower tax rate than a farmer.

This is a reverse Robin Hood situation.

Yes We are literally taking from the poor and giving to the rich and then we're selling back to the poor this propaganda these baby Olivia videos These ridiculous statements that are coming out of politicians mouths about not cutting snap and not cutting Medicaid.

It's there.

It's lies.

It's propaganda It's hurting us now and it's gonna hurt us a lot down the road

Along the way, we're going to be talking to Jimmy Koska.

We're going to get into name, image, and licensing and other things in sports coming up.

But first, we send Dr. Kristen Lyrely on her way.

Catch your show weekends over in Oshkosh and Green Bay and on the Civic Media website.

And Selena Heller reports for us at UpNorth News, head over to UpNorthNewsWI.com.

Selena, Kristen, thank you as always for starting the week so nice for us.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Happy June.

Happy June, everybody.

All right.

So again, Jimmy Koska on the way, we'll be talking a little bit of sports.

and image licensing.

And he might have a thing or two to say about the brewers.

And this is crazy seven game winch sweeping the fields.

This is outstanding.

Let's keep this up.

Jimmy's up next.

I'm Pac right low Europe North.

Welcome back at 7 35 you can get our daily newsletter head over to up north news w i dot com click subscribe in the top banner today in our daily newsletter from Christina Laurie the many ways Wisconsin has been a trailblazer in the equality movement as part of Pride Month for the LGBTQ community and in our weekend newsletter Sunday mornings with pack right low our question of the week deals with the state budget and folks who were in the capital last week

making the case to Governor Tony Evers that if the state budget bill sent to him by Republicans

doesn't meet a certain threshold of support for things like public education and natural resources and health care, that instead of trying to fix it with partial vetoes, he should just veto the whole thing and make the legislature start over.

What's your point of view?

Should the governor do that to make a statement?

Should he just continue to use partial vetoes?

Maybe you think whatever the Republican legislators will send to him will be the best thing and that he should just sign the bill without any partial vetoes.

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Coming up across the civic media radio network a little bit later on on the Todd Alba show today.

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State Senator Kelder Roy's will be joining Todd.

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Todd is joined by Tom Kertcher, reporter with Wisconsin watch.

On the Maggie Dawn show, starting at four o'clock, Matt Rothschild will be the guest co-host and they will have Senator Latanya Johnson.

The other Democratic member of the Joint Finance Committee, the ranking member for the Senate there coming on, again it looks to be in the four o'clock hour, coming up across the Civic Media Radio Network.

We want to talk now a bit about what's happening in high school sports.

And we'll get into some other areas as well, but especially this whole notion of NIL deals, name, image license deals.

And for that, we bring in Civic Media's own sports director, Jimmy Koska.

Jimmy, good morning.

How are you?

Good morning, Pat.

Great to be here.

I always, I always love being on a show called, you know, Up North because that's home for me from the, from the Chippewa Valley, born and raised.

So I always appreciate coming on this program specifically.

Well, we love having you Up North.

So thank you very much for doing that.

Let's see, ahead of name image license, let's just talk about high school sports overall in Wisconsin.

It is June 2nd.

Where are we in terms of spring sports?

Are they are they wrapping up?

Have they wrapped up?

We are into really the tail end of the season.

The high school sports season has three weeks to go in the spring.

So this week, I think the crown jewel of spring sports, in my opinion, is much like in winter, how it's individual wrestling in terms of just the sheer number of schools represented.

State track is this week.

So many schools can get individuals or realize into the state track event at UW La Crosse, which is a wonderful, wonderful venue for any sporting event, but particularly state track where they've hosted this for a number of years.

And you get to go and you get to see over 200 school communities represented in this event.

To me, it's one of those uniquely cool things about high school sports in Wisconsin.

I really enjoy covering these events.

We still have softball, we still have baseball.

We have soccer, there's golf, there's tennis.

There's still a lot of other state events going on, but state track is so awesome to just be able to see all the schools.

You know, baseball and soccer, all these other events, they've got great facilities and great events too.

So regardless, the next three weeks are going to be pretty fun for high school sports in Wisconsin.

It's rather infectious to hear you talk about it.

It's just all the participation.

And again, it's a wide net.

It's not like just a handful of powerhouse teams.

You know, there's something for everybody in there.

Exactly, you know, and even a community like the one I live in, you know small towns are

getting, you know, we, I think just here in the town I live in, I think we have six athletes going, um, you know, but so many towns, maybe it's just one, you have one person who's doing really well in the high jump or something and they go to state, you can still get an entire community rally around just a handful of student athletes.

And I just think that's a really cool feature to whether it's wrestling, whether it's track or any individual sport that gets to go to state.

Uh, it is a really, really neat experience to see, you know, a whole town, uh, you know, come out for, for, for maybe just a handful.

kids.

It's awesome.

That's great and let's see Tony mentions up on YouTube here.

He says track meets are fun.

He also says back in 1902, Pat won the 125 weight class in wrestling.

Everyone forgets about that.

1902 probably was the last time I weighed 125 pounds now that I think about it here.

Jimmy, let's turn then to the the policies that surround high school sports and these NIL deals, name, image licensing, which is that just a

a fancy way of saying endorsement deals?

So in Wisconsin, name, image, and likeness was part of a package of four policies that were put in the WIA constitution for this year.

I think it's the one getting the most attention because of how it's affected college sports, right?

In college, it is really turned things on its head to the point where even in the last couple of weeks, we've seen lawsuits and legislation and

all kinds of things come out about name, image, likeness, you know, equality between and inequality really between the power programs and the other programs.

There's a lot of things happening in college sports as a result of name, image, and likeness that I think for a lot of people, especially people who are a little more traditionalist in the sense of amateur athletics.

are not too happy about where things have gone and how it's really upended conference alignments and things like that.

But here's the good news for those of you who are following high school sports and wondering, is name image likeness going to affect high school sports the same way it has college?

And the short answer is no.

And I'm saying that because, first of all, Wisconsin was one of the last states to even get NIL.

I think there's only

maybe seven or eight states left that don't have it.

And the fact that we got it done through our state association and our school membership, that's a big win for us because in places where this hasn't gone in yet, it's been left up to state legislatures and having politics at that level involved in high school athletics can really be a negative because then there's no control over the school memberships and state associations to deal with the issues that they have in front of them.

In high school NIL,

things are much more restrictive than they are in college NIL.

So you're not going to see the average student athlete in high school, you know, getting a car, a car dealership endorsement and rolling around in a, you know, $80,000 car or anything like that.

You're just not going to see that happen at large.

You know, maybe it happens for a couple of kids, which is great for them, but it's not happening for, for every kid in the state.

There's a lot of guardrails to how it's done in Wisconsin, Pat.

And I think that is, is one of the reasons why it passed this time after failing a year ago.

What is the, what would a typical NIL deal look like?

Not necessarily for the star of the football team, but you know, maybe there's somebody else.

Are they essentially just now doing endorsements for a local sporting goods store or something like that?

One of the reasons why in Wisconsin, I don't see this affecting nearly as much as.

you know, as it has in college is that the guardrails, the WIA membership put in place are going to really restrict you can do this.

So there's two different.

big restrictions on this in addition to not being able to represent, you know, your school, your conference, the WIAA and any kind of any kind of NIL deal.

So you can't just put put on your jersey and go say, Hey, I'm the quarterback for XYZ High School.

You can't do that.

But there are two really big restrictions on where the money comes from.

And one of those restrictions is on the who can do that.

And that is that if you're a coach, if you're a staff member,

If you're a parent of another student athlete in a school, it sounds really obvious, but you're not allowed to contribute to NIL deals.

If you're a coach or a former coach of a student athlete or a program in that school, you can't act as an agent.

High school student athletes can't sign agents and find deals that way.

But the other one, and I think this is the big one, is that if you're a business organization, you're an employee at these places that has contributed to maybe a school's booster fund, you've donated to a school.

program before anything like that any kind of contribution and you know pad in small towns how businesses show up to support

They're student athletes in their communities.

You know how they support those things.

Those businesses, organizations, and the employees of those places, they are not allowed to contribute to NIL deals.

So it really restricts the pool of potential name, image, and likeness endorsements.

It's really limited to people that have never contributed to a school program before.

And again, when you're talking about a lot of places in Wisconsin, whether it's a college town, whether it's a small farm.

pretty much every business has had a hand in something, whether it's donating 100 bucks to put up a scoreboard or, you know, support the annual fundraiser for each team.

But with all those restrictions, I feel like I have to come back to my root question, which is, so what would an ideal NIL deal look like?

If all the usual suspects can't be part of it, if you can't wear your team's uniform or, you know, in any other way, I mean, now you're left with...

the high school volleyball player just in jeans and a t-shirt doing a deal for somebody that's never done a deal with their local high school teams before.

Does that almost sound too restrictive?

Like what kind of an NIL deal do you even get out of something like that?

There's a couple of things.

One is that you can use it to promote maybe an event you're part of in town, like if there's a local event or something.

As long as you're not promoting something that's

for lack of for without listing 50 things adult oriented so you can't be endorsing like alcohol right as a high school student athlete things like that you know events like that you put your name on a on something that doesn't you know touch any of those areas that's that's probably fine you know there's a whole list of rules and regulations for a big FAQ on it the other one is I think the big one is that there's going to be

it's gonna sound like a big word, but NIL Collective.

So these are gonna be groups of, and the WIA has an official one for this, where they do grow out and find certain deals for student athletes to endorse and help build their brand in marketing.

So there are going to be pools of organizations and businesses that will get to do this.

And then obviously, the businesses that aren't already supporting.

um high school athletics or high school programs in a general like those will be once you an NIL deal would

I think it would look like a normal endorsement deal.

I mean, there's only been, I think, two reported contracts so far.

And one of them was literally just endorsing certain events held in their town.

So I think that's where it's gonna probably look like.

It's not gonna look like these big mega deals where a student athlete on a college roster is worth, you know, $4.6 million in endorsements or whatever.

It's just not gonna be that way for high school kids because there's a lot more high school student athletes and there's a lot more communities and there's not quite that big well of.

financial support to draw

from.

I'm looking at this New York Times headline from last week.

Can this 14-year-old football star become a high school millionaire?

And the story begins.

Brittany Coleman's son, Kayden, had just turned 10 when youth football coaches started pressing envelopes with thousands of dollars into her hand.

They wanted Kayden to play for their club team in Maryland or New Jersey or other states, and she always refused because those payments aren't allowed.

But now, because of new NIL deals, students as young as

middle school could go on.

This is though so the exception rather than what NIL deals are going to look like you're saying.