Going Nuclear (Hour 3)

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Going Nuclear (Hour 3)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Tue May 27, 2025

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Pat Craiglow

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 606 on this Tuesday morning, May 27th, 2025, getting all settled in after the Memorial Day weekend.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north, live from Lake Wissota, from wherever you're spending your mornings, listening across the Civic Media radio network, or watching us on YouTube or Facebook, or on the Civic Media app or by podcast.

We appreciate you starting your day right here.

I've got a question for you.

Is it the day after a holiday weekend?

Does it always have to be this discombobulating?

It's so discombobulating that on Tuesday, Dan Schaefer, who's normally here from the recombobulation area, isn't here.

He and Melissa Baldoff are flipping days.

And so we'll talk to Melissa Baldoff coming up later today.

But Tony puts up, Tony's chiding me right out of the gate here.

Late start today, Pat.

I was looking for that exactly six o'clock start with a preview of the show.

And of course, behind the scenes, we got things going here at about 6.03 for that bugaboo that we've talked about a lot, which is why I'm going to welcome in Greg Bach and Parker Olson a little early here.

Good morning, guys.

Greg, we've talked about this before.

You think you do everything right, and then you got to do the software update.

And then I did the software update exactly right until about the time you guys couldn't hear me and I realized that the software update wasn't picking up the new microphone setup here.

So I shake my fist again like an old man and I go, technology!

There you go.

That's what we get.

Good morning, Pat.

How are you?

I had a wonderful weekend.

Greg Bach

That's great.

What did you

Pat Craiglow

do?

This had to be one of the most pleasant Memorial Day weekends.

We got so much done around the house, although one of which I'm having second thoughts about.

I put these lights above the new bookshelf.

You can see them on social media here.

They're a little distracting, but check this out.

I got this little remote in my hand.

I hit this and whoa.

Greg Bach

Oh my gosh.

I can light up the bookshelves.

Parker, that top shelf is like the

Empire State Building at night.

Oh my god.

So bright

Pat Craiglow

Good job Ikea and guy who put Ikea things together Anyway Parker, how was your weekend?

Parker Olson

It's pretty good didn't do a whole lot went to the baseball game on Saturday.

That's a good time and It was just the one game the super regionals super regionals ended up being two games because whitewater lost the first game They won the second so they go into the world series now.

We're doing good

Pat Craiglow

All right.

And so where is the World Series like a home and home

Parker Olson

thing or a neutral site?

World Series is kind of weird in college.

It's eight teams.

Uh-huh.

I'm calling it super duper regionals.

Super duper regionals.

Yeah.

I mean, and then it's, uh, I don't know how I think it's like East Lake.

Okay.

All right.

Pat Craiglow

Greg.

Yes.

Did you get to lay low?

Did

Greg Bach

you work too

Pat Craiglow

much?

Greg Bach

I worked Friday and Saturday, Sunday.

I don't remember what I did Sunday.

We went to the dog park.

I don't remember what we did Sunday.

That's good, because then nothing probably.

That's good.

But then Monday, oh my goodness, I changed my oil, which was interesting because it was the first time on my new car.

And on this new car, there is this huge carbon fiber.

thing on the bottom of it that you have to remove with these I had to buy and I had to buy a tool and it was it was a lot it was really it made it made what usually takes about 20 minutes into an hour so but that's done and then I this is embarrassing but we bought that we've been in our house for almost three years now and there was this place set in our backyard that actually was like oh there's a place that the nieces and nephews can come over and then I walked up to him kind of like

Touched it and pushed it.

I'm like, oh, no child should ever be on this thing.

And it was always that thing of like, I'm going to take that down this week.

And I'm going to take that.

And finally, yesterday, I took a hacksaw, a sawzall and a circular saw too and just took it all down.

And

Pat Craiglow

Greg Bach destroyed a child's play.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

I made it safe for kids.

And then we then I grilled out, made stuff on the grill.

Pat Craiglow

Same thing.

It was just the two of us, but we're like, let's grill.

Yeah.

So we've so we could.

burgers and brats are plenty for the rest of the week.

You're not going to put just two brats and two burgers on the grill thing.

Well, put them all on there.

We'll warm them up throughout the week.

But you couldn't not.

It was just so gorgeous.

It was perfect grilling weather.

Got all kinds of stuff done around the house, inside the house, outside the house.

It was just, again, I'm so not used to that for Memorial Day weekend.

so I was happy to have that problem of oh we have to do stuff outside because the weather's so nice.

Coming up on the program today we've got author Laura Bird who's joining us at about 730 to talk about summertime beach reads.

What are the new books that are coming out and just as importantly how does she find out about them and how you can too?

She'll talk about getting the inside scoop on the new books that are coming out while she tells us which ones to expect this summer.

Dan Hagan will be around for today's history lesson from WJFW News Watch 12 in Rhinelander.

There's also a lot of behind the scenes chatter at political conventions and state Democrats will do that in about two and a half weeks and so there's already plenty of speculation on A, whether Governor Tony Evers will run for a third term and B, if he doesn't,

just how many, many, many Democrats are going to jump into that primary field.

Let's see, we'll talk to Melissa Baldoff.

Like I mentioned, she and Dan Schaefer switching days this week.

So we'll have Melissa Baldoff at 830.

And as we talk about climate and the environment and politics, we will talk about Donald Trump's latest efforts to

kill clean energy progress, substantially increase nuclear power, and allow an oil rig executive sweeping powers over federal lands without going through a U.S.

Senate confirmation first.

Chad Holmes will be here as well, Brittany Merleau with her forecast, so a lot to cover today on this Tuesday.

I have to remind myself, Tuesday, Alicia's got it as well on YouTube.

Good Tuesday morning.

We'll have to remind ourselves about that.

Tony says, jeez, why don't you just blame the, what is that, the Gormans?

I watched Andorra over the weekend.

Greg Bach

The Gormans.

Pat Craiglow

The Gormans.

Okay.

And he also says, are you a legit YouTuber now with this fancy setup?

Maybe.

You know, who am I to say if I'm legit?

And he says, I'm very proud.

I took the carburetor off my lawn mower and cleaned it.

Didn't put it back together correctly.

So did it again and the mower worked.

Success, everybody.

Success.

It's the little thing.

Honestly, it is where you go, okay, I can figure this out.

I can do it.

And then you want the applause.

So there's your applause for whatever you got done around the house.

Cassandra on YouTube.

We did so much yard work over the last week.

We both took a full week of PTO, which was very much needed.

Alicia says, I spent my Memorial Day weeding and keeping my brain occupied.

I know Sherry planted them.

bunch of plants.

All the planters are full and the house is even more gorgeous now.

Tony back on YouTube.

Hey Pat, have you readied your campaign for governor?

Greg is free to be campaign manager.

The handsome and capable Luke can make sure everything runs smoothly.

I believe he's got that all upside

Greg Bach

down,

Pat Craiglow

Greg.

Luke should be running for governor.

Greg Bach

You ever feel like Tony's just a just a

Potster like just trying to get things going like you think I want to be campaign manager.

I'm done with that world That was a time.

I'm not gonna run a campaign in 2025.

I don't have that kind of wherewithal.

No

Pat Craiglow

I'm not that mean is is Tony a potster.

Yeah, I don't know if you remember Edward scissorhands Tony's basically got like electric mixer beaters

for hands.

He's just always stirring the pot as rapidly as humanly possible on everything.

Greg Bach

So amazing reference.

Also, Andor was fantastic.

Tony that second season was really, really good.

I remember,

Pat Craiglow

I remember Joseph Pecky was here last week and he basically recited a speech from from the show.

Yeah, which was, again, I haven't seen a moment of it completely lost on me, but an inspirational speech.

Clearly people like it.

So

Greg Bach

have you

Pat Craiglow

seen Star

Greg Bach

Wars?

Yes.

Have you seen Rogue One?

Yes, loved it.

Okay.

Andor is two seasons and leads into.

And actually, if you don't like anything about Star Wars, all you needed, you can watch season one, two of Andor and Rogue One and be done with it.

And you've got all of the.

It's so good.

Pat Craiglow

So it's like the lead in to Rogue One.

Greg Bach

It's a prequel, essentially.

Pat Craiglow

Yes.

Because I love I like to road Rogue One, perhaps most of all the Star Wars things that were made.

And I know it was a one and done thing for reasons we can't spoil.

So yeah, this is in that.

in that, you know, kind of ilk.

Yeah, I'll watch it.

But speaking of watching things on TV.

Yeah.

Oh, I was so happy sharing that we're so happy last night to sit down and finally catch up with a show.

Look, there have been a lot of TV cancellations over the years that make you scratch your head.

And others like, why haven't you canceled this show yet?

But one that really confused us was when CNN canceled this wonderful show that aired during the pandemic called Stanley Tucci Searching for Italy.

And it was just Stanley Tucci going from city to city across Italy and exploring the local cuisine and meeting people.

And it was just a nice feel good show with food that I mean, you wanted to lick the TV screen.

The food looks so

Announcer

good.

Pat Craiglow

Don't look at me like that.

That's all right.

All right.

And then they cancel it after like a second season or something like that.

He was going to hit all 20 regions of Italy and he didn't get there.

And we thought, well, that was dumb.

And eventually found a deal with Nat Geo.

which also put it on Hulu in Disney and so last night we started watching uh the new Stanley Tucci Italy show and this one again is through Nat Geo and Hulu and watched the first two episodes of that and it all came flooding right back it was one week ago at this moment I was all you know up in everybody's business about how wonderful Portugal is and Europe and the food and can't wait to go back and

Honestly, watching those episodes last night probably shaved another six months off my target retirement date.

The closer that I can get back on a plane and try some of that food and do some of that sightseeing.

They went to the Tuscany region where they get all of the marble, like they started with Michelangelo's David statue.

And these, to see, you know, this entire mountain carved away and it's all perfect marble to be cut off and slabs and turned into something was just

breathtakingly gorgeous.

Greg Bach

See that mountain?

It used to be bigger, but we needed art.

I'm sorry.

We needed it.

I don't know.

I'm

Pat Craiglow

not going to tell you noxons.

Tony.

Tony goes, you went to Portugal.

I didn't hear you mention it.

Tony.

Greg Bach

Man, Tony.

Pat Craiglow

And Alicia, I really need to stop being my dad when I try to watch TV falling asleep as soon as the TV turns on.

Yeah.

Hasn't hasn't happened.

Well, no, I can't say that.

I can hear Sherry driving to work right now going, really, Pat?

You've never fallen asleep watching TV?

Okay, it is starting to happen.

And that troubles me a little bit.

Greg Bach

And you know what would help with that, Pat?

You know, it would really help with that if you did a sleep study.

Pat Craiglow

I have a follow-up on that.

It's

Greg Bach

great.

Pat Craiglow

I have news to share.

Good.

So I will do that.

First, though, at 618, I should find out what the Milwaukee Brewers did because they were they started a home series against the Boston Red Sox.

And on the first pitch of the game, Jackson Churio hits it.

Well, first, not the first pitch of the game, first pitch in the bottom of the first inning.

Jackson Churio hit the first pitch he saw and the Brewers would go on to defeat the Boston Red Sox three to two yesterday.

Starter Chad Patrick pitched four and two-thirds scoreless innings, giving up three hits while striking out six.

DL Hall, fresh off the 60-day DL, see what I did there, did some relief pitching upon his return to the roster.

But it also meant that the Brewers had to send down one of their pitchers.

And who is it?

Me.

No, it was not you.

I promise.

Anderson?

Yes, who's had this just amazing start, but they had to option him back to Nashville to put DL Hallback on, but he will be back.

I mean, the manager was Pat Murphy was quite clear about that.

Anyway, game two this evening against the Red Sox coverage should begin about 605 on several civic media radio stations.

So head to the civic media website to learn more than game three is tomorrow afternoon, Thursday off and then a road trip to Philly and Cincinnati.

From the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota, thanks for making this a place to spend part of your mornings on this Tuesday and pack right low on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Greg (host)

Welcome back on this Tuesday morning, just about 6.23 and I was just calling up the radar here and it's widespread, widespread scattered showers throughout a big chunk of southwestern Wisconsin, up into western Wisconsin a bit, but not all of it is necessarily hitting the ground yet, so it may not be raining where you are in the western half of Wisconsin.

but it probably will be at some point, at least some scattered rain and a little warmer than usual.

Thankfully, it's what 52 here in Chippewa Falls right now.

And Brittany Merleau will have more forecast details for us coming up in just a bit.

My thanks to Todd Alba for coming up to beautiful Chippewa Falls, Greg and Parker and showing us how to do a show from the backyard.

I thought he was going to do it from the back deck.

He took his little portable setup that he brings for all of his road shows and he put it at the top of the lake stairs so that he could put Lake Wissota right behind him and pulled off a great show.

He had wonderful guests and showed how you're supposed to get it done.

I'm not saying we're gonna do a 6 a.m.

show from the backyard, but I'm also not saying that Greg and Parker couldn't come up here sometime and, you know, we could try.

We probably won't, but I mean, we could try.

That's the whole point, right?

Parker (co-host)

You

Greg (host)

can always try.

Parker (co-host)

Yes.

Well, here's the thing is we can always, I can always come to Chippewa Falls, uh, head way, head over to Lake Wasota and I can be like, Oh man, I'm here to do you radio.

Oh, nothing works.

I forgot all the equipment.

Let's go on the pontoon boat.

Yeah.

Greg (host)

Yes.

We could definitely do that.

That works for me.

Yes.

Uh, we did, we did not take the boat out for its first voyage yet.

We, we, well.

Because we've got this this other toy over here.

We got this Jeep that we can drop the top on and we were both we were both like, you know We feel clean in the boat yet and like no all right.

Let's just go for a ride So we went for a ride up river to join us with some other friends because one of the first things you have to do after you're You're getting your boat set up is you have to get all that pollen off the boat He's like why is this boat so dusty and you realize it is just

Everything

Parker (co-host)

up

Greg (host)

here gets coated in pollen that you've got to clean off

Parker (co-host)

Trials

Greg (host)

and tribulations of owning a boat is that yeah, you got away.

It's like you know, let's just

Parker (co-host)

My my beloved I do not feel like cleaning the boat.

Let's take the car

Greg (host)

That's

Parker (co-host)

funny to me.

Greg (host)

I know it is.

I think I think I appreciate that.

Yeah, I think I do.

I was promising you an update on the sleep study.

Parker (co-host)

Yes.

Yes, please.

And thank you

Greg (host)

because you're kind enough to care.

Parker (co-host)

I do care.

Um,

Greg (host)

anyway, so it, it, it turned out, remember, I said, well, I'm sure it didn't work because I had insomnia.

I wasn't really sleeping.

I finally took the stuff off and I went and scheduled a retest.

I finally did that after much hectoring from Mr. You can't spell badger without.

Yeah, you can't do this.

Yeah, you can't.

No, it doesn't work anyway.

And a couple of days back, the clinic called and said, why did you why did you call to reschedule your sleep test?

Well, because I didn't sleep, you know, the first time.

Well, you must have because we do have enough data and we want you to come in for the follow up.

Okay.

So now the follow up is scheduled, although they're so backed up, it won't be for almost a month.

But it turns out they and I said, I made sure I'm like, you guys are sure.

I don't want to come all the way down.

I don't have to wait four or five weeks for you to say, Oh, well, it looks like there wasn't enough data.

We're gonna have to reschedule this.

Like, no, no, no, no, we promise there's there's gonna be a plan.

So I've got

one more month before I do that follow-up.

So yes, Mr. Bach, I did follow your advice.

That's good.

Your hectoring and

Parker (co-host)

all that.

Do you know what's funny is that you think you didn't sleep well, you don't think you slept enough.

That's how poorly you sleep.

And then when, when, and I guarantee you, if you already think that you need one or that you think you have sleep apnea or there's a snoring problem and because you're married to a doctor, I'm going to also imagine she's given her thoughts on this too.

She has the level of sleep that you are going to have if you do it, if you stay with it and you, you know, it's going to be mind blowing and life changing.

I guarantee it.

Greg (host)

Well, that, and that's the thing.

people are not like, who cares about Kryla?

How's Bach doing?

You've been doing this for a while here now.

We haven't

Parker (co-host)

gotten updated.

Greg (host)

You then had this thing where they took an ice auger that is no longer being used to drill holes

Parker (co-host)

in the

Greg (host)

lake now that's thought, but they shoved it up your nasal cavities instead.

And for what, two weeks you were sniffling, you weren't sure it was worth it.

Was it worth it?

Parker (co-host)

Absolutely.

I'm glad.

It was the best thing I've ever done.

Like in my adult life,

uh, next to marrying my wife.

That was pretty good, good move to Greg.

Good job.

But no, like as far as like

looking after my health and taking steps forward, men have a really hard time doing this for various reasons, whether it's pride or I got things to do.

No, you can do this now.

I'm glad I did it.

And I'm glad I had the advice of friends around me.

And I'm glad that it's, it's for the most part, I'm pretty much fully healed from the from the procedure.

But

Yes, I wear, I wear the CPAP when I take naps.

Now, I don't even like, I'm going to take a nap on the couch.

You know, I go upstairs and I like sleep like I would in bed at night and it helps every time.

So it was a great decision and I'm glad you're doing as well, Pat.

And if you are out there listening and you think, and it doesn't, you know, it's not a man, woman thing.

It's not a big skinny thing.

It's not, it's, it's just your level of quality of sleep.

If you feel like that's being hampered, go talk to a specialist and

I can't guarantee anything other than you will feel great if you start doing it.

Greg (host)

Tony writes, my dad was very skeptical about the mask, but it made a 1,000% difference.

And again, it seems to be fairly unanimous from people.

And now that we've done that, Greg, let's turn to Silent Parker.

And let's see, can we put the thought bubbles above us?

Can you imagine what he's thinking right now about having to listen to old men discussing their sleep issues here right now?

Do you think this is what he signed up for?

did not expect to get so excited about

Parker (co-host)

getting older

Greg (host)

today.

Parker (co-host)

It's like I'm going to have sleep apnea and a boat.

Yeah.

Greg (host)

And I'm going to complain about it on the radio.

People are going to mock me for it.

I cannot wait

Parker (co-host)

to get to that age.

Dearest, can we take the boat over the smaller boat?

What do we do today?

It's quite common.

It will make me too sneezey.

Thank you

Greg (host)

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A lot of it is stuff that you're hearing here on the radio, but a nice little summary of what was covered that particular week.

And then there's also a question of the week, which is where I'm going to kick things off here, where I simply asked folks in light of the passage by the House of Representatives of Trump's

so-called budget blueprints, although it's really much more of a budget buster.

I said, what does this mean about the GOP going forward as so-called fiscal conservatives?

Because here's the thing, again, I won't stretch this out, but here's the math again.

We've been focused a lot on the $1 trillion in cuts that Trump and Republicans are proposing, and that's worthy of everybody's attention.

But the bill itself in total Including all the tax breaks to the very wealthy and to corporations Has about a four trillion dollar price tag and you're going well, where's the other three trillion coming from?

They're just driving up the deficit.

They're just contributing to the national debt Same thing that they did with the bill that this would replace the 2017 Trump tax bill so

I got good news for progressives everywhere.

Because of that vote last week on a bill that just, you know, Cavalierly says, oh, we'll just rack up another $3 trillion in debt for tax cuts.

The good news is that at no point any longer can Republicans look at any Democrats who propose something and say these words.

We can't afford it.

Because it's clear that you can if you want to.

You just drive up the deficit, which is not necessarily what what progressives ever propose on something.

There's usually there something like, I don't know, making sure billionaires pay their fair share of taxes instead of giving them more tax breaks.

So this actually was a bit of a historic fork in the road, if you will.

And Republicans took the fork that said, we are no longer the party of fiscal conservatism.

And if anybody wants to propose anything, we can no longer say we can't afford it.

Because it was a fellow Republican who said during the House debate, it's not the spending like drunken sailors.

It was like spending like drunken sailors who'd won the lottery or something.

So the question of the week in our Sunday morning newsletter was, is this the new Republican Party?

is this one that no longer even has the illusion of being fiscal conservatives because they now show that it doesn't matter unless it's something they disagree with.

That was, I think, option A. Option B was that this is simply a short-term thing and that when Donald Trump and the MAGA wing has moved on, the

the Republican Party will once again be the party of fiscal conservatism.

What do you think of that?

And then there was the option that said the Trump line.

Actually, this is great.

This is fiscal conservatism because when you make a trillion dollars in cuts and then when you give billionaires big tax credits, it will all trickle down and it will be great for the economy.

And so far, nobody has said that surprisingly in all of our many responses that we get, you know, by email.

So I was looking at some of the responses here.

Here's one from Luanne.

She says, I think we should take turns.

The Republicans get two years and then Democrats get two years.

Nobody gets to use more than a thousand dollars to run their campaign of their own money.

Let's take the only way to win an election based on wealth out of the game craziness.

Follow the money.

It's all about the money.

No more kings, we the people.

A lot of folks simply writing the illusion of the deficit hawks is over.

Some pointing out that this really has been a case for the Republican Party going back to Reagan.

And that's clear what the record is.

It still mystifies me that 40 plus years later, there's still people that think that Ronald Reagan was some kind of a fiscal conservative.

Again, the very first budget of his presented the illusion of it and then.

everything after that ran up the deficit.

Now, there are others here like Patricia who writes, I may be a dreamer, but I'm hoping that once Trump is gone, they the Republicans will wake up and return to their fiscally conservative roots.

But by and large, folks are saying the Republican stance was never truly about deficits.

The GOP is simply more open these days about being the party of helping the rich at the expense of the poor, even if it drives up deficits.

And so those are some of the responses

to our question of the week.

If you would like to share a response, you can send us an email with your thoughts on it, radio at upnorthnewswi.com.

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So we'd love to hear more from you that way as well.

Let's see, we also had the note about, oh yeah, the comments section, of course, Facebook, YouTube, you know, where more and more people are...

jumping in to Tony, Alicia, Cassandra, you know, Robin Tigerton, Cassandra adding on YouTube, uh, we have had over 40 years to prove that trickle down doesn't work, to which I can only say again, amen, amen, amen.

And yet people, enough people still believe the nonsense such that it is.

As I was looking you know through the the other headlines about you know Trump and the budget and everything else I Unfortunately had to subject myself.

So I'm gonna do the same to you to what the president had to say at Arlington National Cemetery and in his social media posts Memorial Day is a nonpartisan day of solemn remembrance for those who died

protecting our rights and freedoms in our country.

And instead, Trump had an all caps, moral day post attacking Joe Biden and federal judges who he called monsters who want our country to go to hell.

Really really great stuff there on Memorial Day in his remarks at Arlington.

He of course had to turn them political He talked about the those who had fallen who gave us the freest greatest and most noble Republic ever to exist on the face of the earth a Republic that I am fixing after a long and hard four years Yes, that's that's he actually did say that He also said

Talked he bragged about even though he lost to Joe Biden in 2020 that because he won last year He will now be president for America's 250th birthday and the summer Olympics in the US and the World Cup in the US and he says Amazing how the way things have worked out for him Because again, it was very much all about him What else has he been doing?

Well

On Memorial Day, he pardoned a former Virginia sheriff sentenced to 10 years in prison after being convicted by a jury on federal bribery charges for deputizing several businessmen in exchange for cash payments.

The former sheriff had been sentenced in March

But yesterday Trump posted on social media that Scott Jenkins was dragged through hell by a corrupt and weaponized Biden Department of Justice.

This is just the latest pardon that Trump has given to loyal supporters.

In April, he pardoned Nevada Republican Michelle Fiore, who was awaiting sentencing on federal charges that she used money meant for a statue honoring a slain police officer.

and used that money for personal costs, including plastic surgery.

Again, she was waiting sentencing on that theft and embezzlement, but she was a public supporter of Trump, so he pardoned her.

In January, Trump pardoned Ross Ulbrich, the founder of Silk Road, an underground website for selling drugs, and that's putting it mildly.

It was a super mall for thousands of drug dealers.

And he had been sentenced to life in prison in 2015 because of the people who died from the drugs that he helped traffic and for people that he had threatened to have killed.

But again, as a public supporter of Trump, Donald Trump commuted his sentence.

And then of course.

There are the 1500 or so people charged with crimes because of the January 6th insurrection, including people who had been convicted by a jury of assaulting police officers and Trump pardoned every one of them as well.

Let's switch gears entirely because I would rather be looking ahead at this point than looking back.

And I'm going to look ahead to the state democratic convention, which is coming up in two and a half weeks here.

Well,

turns out the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is looking ahead as well.

They have a political team question for Molly Beck and Dan Bice where people sent in their questions and they addressed some of them.

And obviously one of the big ones on the Democratic side of Wisconsin politics is will Governor Tony Evers run for a third term?

And if he doesn't, who do you think is likely to get in the race?

And it's

the obvious answers who won't get into the race but Molly Beck takes note that you know the names include Attorney General Josh Call, Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley, Milwaukee Mayor Cavalier Johnson, Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez, Secretary of State Sara Godluschi, soon to be former Democratic Party Chair Ben Wickler and then Dan Bice

Uh, it was basically echoed all of that, but with his opinion on all of it, where by said, call would be the immediate front runner if Evers is out, even if call continues to over underwhelm in, in Dan Bice's words.

So Rodriguez, he says, is already gearing up to run, but just how many voters know who the lieutenant governor is.

Crowley wants to run and is the best speaker of the bunch, but the Milwaukee County executive would have lots of work to do statewide.

He goes on to say in the middle of the pack, Sarah Godluschi is probably waiting to see what Ron Johnson does while hoping everyone forgets her last statewide run because Dan's not going to write anything unless he's getting a little dagger in it.

Somebody Cavalier Johnson isn't running if Crawley is, but the mayor is hanging around just in case.

And Ben Wickler certainly can raise money, but multiple Democratic insiders say they don't see him pulling the trigger.

They go on to talk about, Dan Beis says, State Senator Chris Larson runs for anything and everything, even when it's not in the cards.

And this would not be in the cards, Dan Beis says.

And then out of Gamey County, Executive Tom Nelson, who he puts in the same category as Chris Larson.

And then of course, there's also State Senator Kelder Reis, Molly Beck reminds us, who was also a candidate for U.S.

Senate.

and notes that Kilda Reyes was interviewed on Wisconsin Eye recently, asked how she felt about Evers running for a third term, and she says, you know, traditionally two terms have been plenty for Wisconsin governors, but he's going to decide what he wants to do.

And in that same interview, Democratic State Representative Tip Maguire of Kenosha, when asked if Evers should run for a third term, gave an unequivocal yes.

Dan Hagen from NewsWatch12 in Rhinelander joins us for today's history lesson next.

We're up north.

Pat Reitlamp

The record we never broke up.

We just had the 14 year vacation

Radio Host

And with that the Eagles and their self-described 14 year vacation With a reunion concert for on this day in 1994 in Burbank, California Which would lead to an album and a tour all called hell freezes over which is how they felt about a reunion back in 1980

when they all just about came to Fisticuffs.

But there they are back and making, they made a little money after that 14 year break.

I can imagine.

Just a little.

Welcome to today's history lesson for this Tuesday morning.

It is May 27th and we are joined by Dan Hagen from NewsWatch 12, WJFW and Rhinelander.

Mr. Hagen, how are

Dan Hagen

you?

I'm doing well.

Love the Eagles.

I still have never listened to Hell Freezes over though.

Every other album I've listened to.

Radio Host

Have you?

Okay.

When this version of Hotel California, the new version, quote unquote, and you first hear this little guitar play in the beginning.

And now, of course, to all of us, it's obvious that it's the intro to Hotel California.

Keep in mind, nobody ever heard this.

They'd heard the original version from 1976.

They're like, what is this thing that they're playing?

And then this happens.

Parker

I still get goosebumps.

Radio Host

That's

Parker

so cool.

Radio Host

The crowd goes wild and it's like, they're back.

They're back.

So that'd be the Eagles 31 years ago today.

Wow.

I know.

Yeah.

31 years ago today was the reunion.

Yeah.

Let's see, on this day, usually we start with a much older song, but I wanted to start with that clip from the beginning of their concert here.

So here's the oldie that we're gonna start with.

The Grammy Awards were held on this day in 1962 in New York.

The record of the year, the song of the year, was from the movie Breakfast at Tiffany's and it was sung by Andy Williams.

Go ahead and sing along.

Music has really come a long way since 1962.

Parker

If you told me this song was from 1949, I would have believed you.

Like, it just sounds so vintage.

Dan Hagen

He's got one of those voices though, you know, that just every Christmas I listen to him for a reason.

Radio Host

Oh, of course.

It's the most wonderful time of the year.

On this day in 1927, Ford ceased manufacturing of the Model T and began to retool their plants.

Retool.

I'll retool you.

Christmas vacation.

To make the Ford Model A. And you say to yourself, hey, wait a minute.

How'd they go from the Model T to the Model A?

And I was dumb enough to look up the answer.

They went through the whole alphabet the first time.

when they were making their first model, and it wasn't until T that they felt like they got it right.

And they didn't want to next go to U, so they basically started all over again.

So it'd be like going from, you know, on software, it's like the updates are like 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, and then eventually it's 2.0.

That's what your Model A is, is your 2.0.

Parker

That's a fantastic tagline though, Ford Model U.

Radio Host

The more you know.

The actor Vincent Price was born this day in 1911.

Folks in this generation know him as The Laugh at the end of Michael Jackson's thriller.

He passed away in 1993.

Lisa Lefty Lopez of TLC was born this day in 1971.

Passed away far too young in 2002.

Yeah.

Former Packer wide receiver Antonio Freeman is 53 years old today.

The Chylites landed their first and only number one single on this day in 1972.

Should also say Andre 3000 from Outcast is 50 years old today.

On this day in 1995, cracked rear view, the debut album by Hootie and the Blowfish, went to number one, nearly 10 months after it was released.

And one more, as much as I try to resist musical mentions of Justin Bieber, he's on the charts from this day in 2017, along with

and fix me if I get this wrong Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee for the song Despacito.

Pat Reitlamp

It became

Radio Host

the first number one on the chart sung mostly in Spanish since 1996 and the Macarena.

Oh my god.

Oh my

Pat Reitlamp

god.

Parker

It's so embarrassing.

Radio Host

a very short National Day calendar today.

This is National Player Piano Day, which nobody sees those anymore, and the weirdly specific Grape Popsicle Day.

Dan Hagen

Wow.

Radio Host

I know, but I told you.

Dan Hagen

This is like just big day, like coming after us.

They want to sell grape popsicles.

I

Radio Host

think so.

Big dessert.

Yeah, big dessert, like big pharma and big oil, big dessert.

We got to move these grape popsicles.

Let's create a day.

just for that.

Dan, on a much more serious note, but as we were looking at stories that you're covering up in the Rhinelander area and then down here in the Chippewa Valley, we had a fatal jet ski accident on Lake Wasoto on Friday, I believe it was.

And you've had some fatalities up that way as well.

All under the under the theme for our purposes here of, you know, be safe when you're out there in recreation, jet skis, swimming, driving, whatever it is, be careful out there.

Dan Hagen

Yeah, that's right.

I mean, we had a drowning and we had a bad car accident and there's always a TV deaths and pretty much all those ATV deaths are people without helmets.

So be safe.

I can already tell that the quiet times in the Northwoods, they're over.

It's done.

Now through Labor Day is it that we pretty much have nonstop people here, which is good, but it's also, you know, can be dangerous sometimes.

Radio Host

Oh, without a doubt.

And how was your own weekend personally?

Dan Hagen

Um, it was very good.

I made it up to the cottage spent some time with my parents and sister.

Um, I say cottage, but I'm self conscious about it because all my friends made fun of me, but that's just what my parents called our little cabin.

So, uh, it's

Radio Host

okay.

You know, people will mock you sometimes if you have things like, you know, cabin or a boat.

Oh my God.

Anyway,

Parker

Parker apologized to Pat.

Thank you.

Radio Host

It had nothing to do with Parker.

Dan, have a great week.

We'll talk to you next week.

Still ahead, Laura Bird and Melissa Baldoff as part of our Tuesday mornings, powered by Up North News.

I'm Pat

Pat Reitlamp

Reitlamp.

Announcer

Live, across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Craiglow powered by Up North News.

Now, for my Lake Basota studio, here is the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Craiglow.

Pat Krightlow (host)

And good morning.

It is 7 0 6.

Nice to have you here up north on this Tuesday morning, May 27th.

Hope everybody had a really nice holiday weekend.

Greg Bach is in Radio Park.

Parker Olson is in Madison.

Meteorologist Brittany Merleau is here as well.

Coming up in just a bit, author Laura Bird will be joining us and we'll talk about summer reads.

What are going to be the hot new books this summer that you might want to consider picking up?

What's the best way to go about picking up those books?

And what's the best way to go about learning what's coming up next in the world of literature and book publishing?

So we'll look forward to talking to Laura coming up at about 7.30 for that very.

busy day on the comment section today.

And so I wanna hit the, I'm gonna go a bit out of order here because I wanna hit some safety matters first.

Robin Tigerton says there were a lot of UTVs, ATVs and Jeeps out and about, also a lot of campers and from Cassandra in talking about the last segment where there was jet ski fatalities, drownings, driving fatalities.

Cassandra writes, yes, please wear your helmets.

Get off the phone while driving.

Don't be crazy.

I've been getting help texts all week because we're so busy in the ICU, which again, we see that in summertime anyway, but you can do your part to reduce that and to be safe and to be careful out there, especially when the weather is as glorious as it was over the weekend here.

Not so much today and tomorrow, Brittany, but then a

It appears to be a really big warm up coming up later on, but we got to get through these first couple of not so great days first.

Brittany Merleau (meteorologist)

Yes, we sure do.

I think this weekend was absolutely perfect, crisp, beautiful.

I mean, we did have the 10th coolest Memorial Day weekend three day stretch that we've had.

So, I mean, it was crisp out there.

We usually see a lot of rain showers too, but it was nice to see those dry conditions.

And now we've got the system lifting from the south.

It's actually headed off to the northeast, but it is still going to swing some chances of showers our way.

So we've already got the cloud cover from it.

We're going to stay mostly cloudy today, even through tomorrow as well.

Some light sprinkles are possible this afternoon.

And then some spotty showers, especially far northwest this afternoon and evening.

And then those spotty shower chances continue through the day.

tomorrow too.

Very light, on and off, maybe a quarter of an inch from La Crosse to Milwaukee and south.

Further up north, you have less chances of that, but high temperatures today in those upper sixties to scraping the low seventies.

That's today and tomorrow.

And then we're going to be hitting into the 80 degree temperatures as soon as Friday.

We kind of cool off for the weekend, but we go right back to those eighties for next week as well.

So summer weather is right around the corner.

We've just got two days to cool off still.

Pat Krightlow (host)

Okay, and so more precautions, this one from Alicia.

I burned half my face on Sunday, just hanging out with friends, just half the face.

So, you know, sometimes take your friend and reposition.

And Cassandra, I was very dumb.

I let myself get burned twice.

I'm very Irish, she says here.

So

Announcer

it

Pat Krightlow (host)

was very pleasant weather, but yeah, the sunglasses, the sunscreen, all of that needs to be part of your.

To-do list for any given big sunny day from Rob.

Good morning from Tigerton.

It's cloudy and 49 degrees.

It was a very beautiful weekend I was mowing lawns watering plants and Hanging watering the plants that are hanging on the street light posts there That's what he meant to say I said yesterday he

Had a cookout with his sister Lori and her family in Caroline.

The food was good.

I was stuffed and then took pictures of the sunset near Marion.

I was down by the Tigerton ATV and UTV Park for a walk where he mentioned earlier the, I'll see all the ATVs out there.

He says about his colonoscopy a couple of weeks back.

No cancer issue whatsoever.

So thank you, Rob, for sharing that says.

I hope you all had a super weekend.

And I wish Dr. Kristen Lyrely would run for governor.

She brings passion and excitement.

I wish there was more like her.

We were talking in our last hour about the potential candidates for governor if Governor Evers decides not to run for a third term.

And then one more from Rob here on the highways.

Slow down.

I've seen people passing in the no passing zone along highway.

45, close to head on collisions.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of that really aggressive driving out there.

And there's just no reason for it.

I can't even blame Illinois.

You know, there's Wisconsin plates and Minnesota plates.

Everybody's got to take it down a notch.

out there on the roads, please.

Brittany Merleau (meteorologist)

Seriously, seriously.

Slow down, take a breath, right?

Oh, nothing's worth the rush.

Pat Krightlow (host)

No, and especially if we have, you know, like you said, a little bit of precipitations, like up the roads.

It's also construction season.

You may come upon an area that you weren't expecting, you know, that's started with some road work.

We've really made it sound like it's just wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

Don't even leave the house today, kids, you know?

I mean, look at Parker and Greg.

They can just sit here.

They got this great job.

They are not

you know, in, in harm's way at all.

Announcer

Well, except from, from

Pat Krightlow (host)

the abuse from the host and, and all the people that are right in, but you know, Parker just nods at Parker.

It's radio.

You got to, you got to say amen to that brother or something like that.

Greg Bach (contributor)

That seems right.

I really want to hear Parker say amen to that brother.

Please say that.

Pat Krightlow (host)

There it is.

There it is.

At least she says on a side note, I look like the Batman villain to face.

Go to a

Greg Bach (contributor)

doctor.

Pat Krightlow (host)

It is the worst sunburn to have when it's just on like one side of something, you know, when you sunburn

Greg Bach (contributor)

your ears.

Oh, too

Brittany Merleau (meteorologist)

sensitive.

Yeah.

Pat Krightlow (host)

Yeah.

Or the or the if you maybe this isn't for Brittany with her long hair, but the back of your neck.

If you do everything, but then you forget the back of your neck and, you know,

Suddenly that now you've got itchy shirt collars for the rest of the week or whatever.

So, all right.

All right.

Everybody stay safe out there.

Use your sunscreen.

Slow down on

Brittany Merleau (meteorologist)

the roads.

Happy summer.

Pat Krightlow (host)

Yep.

Welcome to Nanny State Radio.

I'm Pat Cridlow.

Thank you, Brittany.

Have a very good day.

We'll talk to you in our next hour.

And again, author Laura Bird is coming up in a bit and we'll talk about summer reads.

I wanted to share a couple of things here about

What a big day it's going to be on June 14th for a couple of different reasons.

However, there is, of course, it's flag day.

It's also the what is it the birthday of the US Army.

And well, it's also Donald Trump's birthday.

And so he wants a military parade.

and during the first term of Donald Trump the Pentagon opposed that said we do not want to we don't want to mix politics and the armed forces but as reported by the New York Times in Mr. Trump's second term that guardrail has vanished there will be a parade this year and right now the current plan calls for 28 Abrams tanks at 70 tons each

Make sure what happens what's going to happen to the roads in Washington DC 28 striker armored personnel carriers more than a hundred other vehicles a World War two era B 25 bomber 6,700 soldiers 50 helicopters 34 horses two mules and a dog Again from the New York Times the army estimates the cost to be up to 45 million dollars

but could be higher because the army has promised to fix any city streets that the parade damages, plus the cost of cleanup and police are not yet part of the estimate.

Again, $45 million as we're cutting things like, you know, school lunches and healthcare and things like that.

Well, so on June 14th, there will also be some protests among the protests that are being organized come upon a theme.

The theme is called No More Kings.

And it obviously is not that tongue in cheek anymore, given the way that Donald Trump talks and, you know, acts in terms of, you know, his dictatorial style.

Well, there will be these local protests all around the country.

And that's going to include here in Wisconsin at some communities.

and what caught my eye was an article in the Lakeland Times out of Benakwa that spelled out the recent happenings of an Eagle River City Council meeting and a rather contentious discussion involving the First Amendment.

The article in the Lakeland Times was written by Fred Williston and it was all about the organizers of a no-kings rally and

They weren't looking for a permit to protest.

They don't need that.

You know, the First Amendment's on their side.

But local organizer Catherine Crafty and others made a request of the city to use an amplifier so that they could use, you know, a microphone during the event.

And...

So the the rally craft he said is it's a protest linked with a national event under an organization named Indivisible and the no Kings rally protest would go from 11 a.m.

To 1 p.m.

And it will be a peaceful protest but then came time for for questions and Alderman Jerry Birkitt of Eagle Rivers immediately wanted to ask about

whether the protest needed to be where they're planning it to be, Rotary Square.

And he said, I have absolutely nothing against this event.

I have everything against the location.

Rotary Square was a lot of work with donations of time and money from a lot of people.

Rotary Square was designed for people to rest and relax while other members of the family are shopping our streets and buying goods.

It's got a public bathroom, nice picnic tables, well used by a lot of people.

The right to free speech is appreciated, fought for, but I called a spokesperson for the Chamber of Commerce who said, please no protests here.

If there's a protest there, there's a percentage of the people that are gonna leave downtown Eagle River.

I called the Eagle River Revitalization Program, another spokesperson who said, we absolutely understand the right to protest, but please not during June in Eagle River when the tourists are here.

The problem, Birket said, is that 50% of this nation is one way and 50% is the other way politically.

And he said he didn't think the city council should risk having 50% of the people in downtown Eagle River on that date leave town or be disgusted with Eagle River.

And that's where the discussion kicked off, of course, about, you know, protests and the right to protest.

and the location of the protest.

And it was awfully reminiscent of the Republican convention in Milwaukee last year when there was such a push to move the protest zone away from, you know, people, which seems to be the whole point of the protest.

And again, a respectful, peaceful one, not one that is going to disrupt business because as the local organizers noted,

their customers too.

And that frankly, they pointed out that during a past event of theirs, it brought traffic into downtown Eagle River and into their shops and things like that.

So is it really about the concerns of the business or is it about the concerns of what the people are saying?

Now we have no way of knowing, but if this were going to be a, you know, a pro mega event,

Would we be hearing the same concerns from the same people about the impact on businesses and traffic?

Or would it just be, well, there's a big military parade going on that day.

It's the president's birthday.

So let's all wave the flag and all take part in it.

I mean, I know which way I feel the discussion would go.

But again, as one of the organizers said, let me just say respectfully that the public park belongs to the public and not necessarily to the downtown businesses.

So how did this all end after this very long discussion about the First Amendment?

Was that the organizers said, look, if this is how you feel, we'll pull back on the request for an amplification device, but we're still showing up.

You know, some people won't hear because there won't be a loudspeaker there, but it's still going to happen.

So no city council action was needed up in Eagle River, but the entire discussion itself was a very

interesting reminder that the First Amendment is for everybody and that it is not the role of local government officials to push peaceful protest away simply because it's inconvenient.

From the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota, thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Krightlow and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Radio Host

Coming up later across the civic media radio network on the Maggie Dawn show this afternoon Alice McManus from the Center of American Center for American Progress will be along to I'm sorry that was I got I got

behind.

Today's Tuesday.

See, not Monday.

Today is Tuesday.

Coming up on the Maggie Dawn Show today, Angela Lang will be the guest co-host.

We'll also be hearing from Jeff Mandel of Law Forward, along with John Frank, about something called Fusion Voting.

Let's see, Kira Saban will be guest on the Todd Alba Show.

And then Matt Nair on Air with Jane and Greg.

Well, we got Greg here.

So Greg will tell us what's coming up on Matt Nair on Air

Greg

a

Radio Host

little later today.

Greg

Today we have at 9 35 we have Mr. Todd Alba of the conveniently named Todd Alba show.

He'll be coming on talking about all the news from probably this weekend.

We'll talk about all the things happening with me and Jane.

And then at 10 o'clock, we had to reschedule this one I talked about last week, but Kathy Giorgio is an author who is on the wall of fame.

at North High School Waukesha, who's requested that to be taken down as they'll put her face up, but they won't have her books in their library.

So she'll be on to talk about having her books banned.

And then Beth Heidorn from the Racine Zoo will be here as well.

I didn't know Racine had a zoo.

Racine has an amazing zoo.

It's a huh, it's not like you know like people when people think zoo they're like San Diego the Brookfield zoo in Milwaukee County's got a great zoo, too But Racine zoo is so good.

It's nice.

It's compact.

It's got a great and they have a brand new a brand new family member who has black and white and Not red all over.

That's a newspaper.

But

Radio Host

yeah,

Greg

yeah, they have a brand new zebra

Radio Host

a baby zebra Chippewa Falls is the same way a lot of folks who

would be surprised to hear that Chippewa Falls has a zoo at Irvine Park and it has been remodeled over the years.

It was it was rather, so we say old fashioned back in the day and now has some wonderful exhibits and if folks have never been to Irvine Park in Chippewa Falls to see the zoo and drive around the park, highly recommend that as well.

Let's continue zoo chat now with Parker Olson.

He's going to tell us his favorite zoos in Wisconsin or wherever.

Susan,

Parker Olson

Wisconsin, I think I've only been to one zoo.

It's the

I don't even remember what it's called.

I think it's Violas and Madison.

I

Radio Host

think.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Parker Olson

Okay.

Radio Host

And that's concluded zoo talk with Parker.

Parker Olson

Yeah.

That's all I got for you.

Radio Host

To be clear, we did not tell him there was going to be a pop quiz on this.

These things just kind of pop up.

Yeah.

as pop quizzes do.

That's how they got the name.

All right, turning towards some of the other stories that are happening around the state as I was perusing some of the newspapers that are out there and, you know, reflecting the times that we live in.

In poignette, they have cut the farm to table meal program because of Trump administration cuts.

And as a result, it means that, again, we've talked about this in Marathon County and elsewhere that

The district would get about $15,000 and work with other organizations to create a system to make local farm purchases feasible for public schools and food pantries in the area.

One person who is with the school district, I believe, I want to get the name right here.

Oh yeah, director of food services Paula Larrabee.

talked about you know the value of the program said we have a co-op that has worked really hard to get the vendors and get everything set up we can do online ordering and just to kind of have the rug pulled out from underneath us is a little bit of a shock but that is exactly what school districts around the country are going through right now that how

With Trump an office the USDA has eliminated all of that funding Which was going to help schools and food banks purchase food from local farmers and so the school districts they have to go back to Again ordering more things that are processed from big producers out of town elsewhere and local farmers have lost that much more of a market again, just reflective of the you know part of the times that we live in

Here's another one from up in Redcliffe where the Redcliffe band of Lake Superior Chippewa has declared a state of emergency over their child care shortage there in part because of threatened cuts by the Trump administration to the Head Start program.

It is a response to the potential elimination or reduction and that if so it would have adverse impacts on the Redcliffe Early Childhood Center's ability to provide care for

the areas children and families.

They talks about how Head Start, an early learning program, was founded in 1965.

For years, it's been one of the most popular government programs out there, providing free services for parents and children up to five years old, including health screenings, meals and snacks, and a curriculum on financial literacy.

Because we always hear the oh, we shouldn't be having handouts.

Let's teach people how to make money or save money It's in there.

It's in there and now it won't be because that's ending the director of the early childhood center Jamie Goodlett King said Head Start was created to work toward breaking the cycle of poverty

And without the Early Childhood Center, there are limited options for licensed and reputable care services for children newborn to five in a rural area.

Many parents will be forced to stop working so they can care for their children further impacting area businesses and services with a loss of reliable employees.

And so now they turn toward the state budget and hope that some of the federal shortfall would be made up there.

which is not likely because, again, while Governor Evers has proposed a major investment in keeping childcare affordable and accessible, Republicans took it out of the budget entirely.

And at this point, there is absolutely no indication that a single dollar is necessarily going to be restored.

You'll recall in the last budget, again, they took out direct assistance for childcare.

added things like you know tax breaks if you were to you know have this much level of taxes get a break on it which obviously most daycare centers don't have or loosening the rules that keep our child care centers safe when what they really need right now is a serious budget investment but instead we still got to pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

The Brewers defeated the Boston Red Sox Memorial Day three to two.

They will do it again this evening.

Coverage begins at 6 0 5 on several civic media radio stations and then it starts again tomorrow with a day game.

We'll have author Laura Bird coming up next.

You're up north.

Pat Rightlaw

Welcome back.

Normally we will have Dan Schaefer on 830 on Tuesdays and Melissa Baldoff 830 on Wednesdays.

We switched them around because of vacations and other things and so Melissa Baldoff is kind enough to be here an hour from now.

We'll talk a little politics and climate and the environment and then Dan Schaeffer will join us tomorrow morning at 830 here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

But right now, coming up on 736, we're going to talk to author Laura Ann Bird because summer is coming.

So are a bunch of new releases.

Perfectly time for reading on the beach, kicking back in your porch swing with a cold one, whatever beverage you read best

Laura Ann Bird

with.

Pat Rightlaw

Laura Ann, hello, how are you?

Laura Ann Bird

Hello, Pat.

Happy unofficial start to summer, right?

I feel like Memorial Day kind of kicks us off and here we are.

Pat Rightlaw

I know it does.

I have a newer hammock that I spent all of like 30 seconds in before I felt guilty about some other house chores, but at least I spent a little bit of time in there with a book.

I'll talk about that one a little bit later on, but other people will spend more time in a hammock, more time on a porch swing, doing some reading and so.

for a lot of folks, they're looking forward to some of the new releases that are coming out.

And we'll talk about those in just a minute, but I wanted to find out from your standpoint, how you find out about these things.

How do you know what's coming down?

How can you be the first on your block to

Laura Ann Bird

read

Pat Rightlaw

something and tell your book club all about it?

Laura Ann Bird

Right.

That's a great question, and I get asked that a lot.

Well, Laura, how do you know about what books are coming out?

And I have a few great tips and resources for your listeners, and they're all free, which is great.

So if you're a public library user, you go to your public library, and I think every single library carries a copy of Book Page Magazine, and I'm holding up the may.

Copy right now.

It comes out every month.

It's free.

It's usually by the reference desk, but ask your librarian where it is.

And it's all the new releases for that month.

And it's got great reviews and author interviews.

I read this religiously every month, book page.

If you don't live close to a library, you can go to their website, bookpage.com and access that same information.

Also at my library at Madison Public Library, they do a great job every quarter printing these flyers called Beyond Best Sellers.

And they do one for fiction, one for nonfiction.

It's just like this little thing and it's got like all the titles that they're going to be stocking on their shelves with like a one to two sentence description of each one.

So I love these.

I think each library might kind of have a different publication.

So ask your librarian what's available to you.

But if you are a bookstore person, as I know some people are, as always, I suggest going to your local independent shop.

Go there first.

All the independent bookshops will have every month a copy of Indie Next.

And it's this wonderful tri-fold publication.

Again, it's free, and it's got a list of all the hot titles as recommended by indie booksellers.

If you don't live close to your

If you don't have a bookstore close to you, you can go to IndieBound.org.

And again, you can access that very same information right there online.

But that's going to really keep you in the know about what books are coming out, what are the hot titles, what's the buzz, right?

Also, I suggest if you do have an independent bookshop that you love, subscribe to their e-newsletter.

I get a few e-newsletters every month depends on.

store, some come come out one week for me putting on their shelves.

So that's pretty exciting.

Pat Rightlaw

Okay.

So now that turns us to what exactly

either you'll be reading or other people will be reading and a lot of these I think you note are coming out in June so you just got a little quick synopsis on them but help people determine if these are things that they

Laura Ann Bird

might

Pat Rightlaw

want to add to their summer reading list.

Laura Ann Bird

Right, so I have seven recommendations across a bunch of different genres.

So based on whatever you love to read, I've got a recommendation for you.

And of course, I don't actually have the books in hand yet because they are not out, but I have great little photocopies of the front covers.

So we're gonna start with literary fiction.

That's my favorite genre path.

So Among Friends is a new book by Hal Ebbett, and he's a debut novelist, and this book is getting so much buzz.

Early reviews are saying that he writes with hypnotic elegance and molten precision.

So this is going to be a good one.

This is about two families that have been incredibly close through the years.

The husbands, the wives, their teenage daughters, they've spent all this time together and they're gathered at a New York country house to celebrate the 52nd birthday of the host.

And something is off this weekend.

There's this curdling of envy and resentment, and it erupts into something terrible and really drives a wedge between these people that have loved each other so much.

But it's supposed to be getting great reviews.

So the next one I want to talk about, if you like speculative fiction, think sci-fi The Unmapping by Denise S. Robbins.

And this is exciting because she's actually a Wisconsin author, but this book is getting great buzz.

It's an exploration of a city's descent into chaos and confusion.

So it starts at 4am in New York City and it's a silent disaster.

There's no flash of light.

There's no crumbling.

There's no earthquake.

But each person in New York wakes up on an unfamiliar block after the buildings have all switched locations overnight.

The power grid is snapped.

Thousands of people are missing.

And the Empire State Building is now on Coney Island.

And the next night, it happens all over again.

So this is all about scientists rushing to find a solution.

And can the New Yorkers cope?

Um, lots of unanswered questions here, but Denise Robbins tackles themes of climate change and political unrest in her fantastic debut, the unmapping.

Pat Rightlaw

I like that because even for some, I'm not a natural science fiction reader, but when you put it in something real like that and the premise of these are, these are very tangible things, but they're simply switching locations mysteriously.

I mean, not that intrigues me very much.

So I'm glad to hear about that one.

Laura Ann Bird

Uh, what do you

Pat Rightlaw

have?

What do you have in the romance category next?

Laura Ann Bird

Romance.

This is the genre I read the least amount of.

So I don't know what that says about me as a person.

Perhaps I'm just cold-hearted.

I don't know.

But we have Finders Keepers by Sarah Adler.

And this book looks so cute.

So it's about a woman named Nina, who's a professor, and she's about to move into this fabulous new apartment with her fabulous boyfriend.

But then suddenly she's single, unemployed, and living with her parents.

Guess who also is home?

Quentin, her childhood neighbor and childhood crush, he's back in town and he wants to resume the treasure hunt that ended their friendship almost two decades ago.

This treasure hunt, you're probably wondering about that.

There's a rumor that this wealthy businessman in town left behind riches.

And it's sort of like this game for people to track down these riches.

So now Nina and Quentin are older and wiser.

Can they find the treasure?

But more important, can they pick up where they left off?

and maybe create a future together.

Who

Pat Rightlaw

knows?

All right, let's attack some nonfiction.

Laura Ann Bird

Oh, I love nonfiction.

This one I'm so excited about.

It's called It's Only Drowning, a true story of learning to surf and the search for common ground.

And this is by David Litt.

So David Litt is a Yale educated

former speech writer for President Obama, which I think is fabulous, and his existential dread blossoms as the crises in America pile up.

But David notices that Matt, his brother-in-law, who's tattooed, he drives a truck, he loves Joe Rogan, his brother-in-law is super chill.

So does Matt's favorite hobby, surfing, have something to do with this zen vibe?

So David decides to take up surfing himself, and he moves to the Jersey Shore and starts taking surfing lessons

even though he's terrified of sharks, and he wipes out over and over again.

But he sets this goal of riding a big wave in Hawaii, and he and his brother-in-law Matt set out for this journey to the dangerous North Shore in Oahu.

So his book, It's Only Drowning, is a laugh out loud love letter to surfing.

and unlikely friendships and embarking on adventures at any age.

Pat Rightlaw

Wow.

We are talking to Laura Ann Bird about some of the new releases coming out for the summer.

So we've covered those categories.

What we've got left here.

We got thrillers, mysteries.

Let's do the

Laura Ann Bird

thrillers

Pat Rightlaw

next.

Laura Ann Bird

Yeah.

Yeah.

For the people who love to like.

Have their mind messed around when they read books?

These are hard for me because I get really messed up.

But Lisa Jewel is a New York Times bestselling author.

She's known for her thrillers.

Her new thrillers coming out in June, don't let him in.

And it's described by early reviews as a jaw-dropping page-turner.

So it's about a man named Nick who's got substance and good taste.

And he's just what Nina needs in her life after her husband has died unexpectedly.

But Tanina's adult daughter, Ash, Nick seems too slick, too polished, and too good to be true.

So without telling her mom, Ash begins to dig into Nick's past and what she finds is really unsettling.

So the characters here are on a collision course with a shocking truth that is darker than anyone could have imagined.

And the takeaway here is don't let him in.

Pat Rightlaw

OK, now we've moved on to mystery.

Laura Ann Bird

Mystery, Happy Wife by Meredith Lavender and Kendall Shores.

So this is about a 28 year old woman named Nora, who's barely making ends meet.

She's working at a country club in this super wealthy area of Florida.

And then she meets a man named Will, who's an attorney.

He's about 20 years older than her.

And they begin this whirlwind romance and they get married, raising a ton of eyebrows, as you can imagine.

but things get really crazy when Will vanishes the morning after a birthday party that Nora throws for him.

So, Happy Wife is a mystery that flips back and forth between Nora and Will's romance and the search for Will in the wake of his disappearance.

So, the authors here combine suspense and juicy social dynamics and a really unforgettable cast of characters.

Pat Rightlaw

All right.

And one more takes us to the

Laura Ann Bird

category.

Pat Rightlaw

Psychological suspense.

Laura Ann Bird

Psychological suspense.

We go from a happy wife now to a happy marriage.

So A.J.

Torrey, I'm sorry, A.R.

Torrey, the author here, poses the question, what holds a strong and loving marriage together?

That's a great question.

So this centers on Los Angeles homicide detective Dinah, and she's happily married to her psychiatrist husband, Joe.

They seem compatible on the surface, but as it turns out, she's been keeping a secret from him and he's been keeping a secret from her.

So a missing woman tied to Dinah's latest case is admitted to Joe's hospital and the doctor patient confidentiality lands Joe and Dinah's marriage on really shaky ground.

So things get messy really fast here as all these carefully constructed lies on both sides begin to cave in.

with the potential to kill.

So that's all I will tell you.

Pat Rightlaw

Wow.

Okay.

We've got, that is a very ambitious list.

And whether you want to get one of them or all seven of them, you can get those requests in now at your, at your local library.

And thanks to you, some folks are going to get it sooner than they would have otherwise.

Because you'll be high up on the waiting list there.

The other thing you can do is you can head over to bookshop.org as well as Libro.fm I think I've got those two put up on screen as well here there we go bookshop.org and Libro.fm or your local independent bookseller and Would you you would suggest pre-ordering as being helpful as well right Laura?

Laura Ann Bird

Mm-hmm absolutely

Oh,

Pat Rightlaw

we had a little signal drop there by Laura Tell you what I'll tell you more about that and then we'll talk to Laura when she pops back on here in just a bit but again bookshop.org is is basically your

Amazon alternative, if you will, to support independent bookstores and Libro FM, L I B R O dot FM is the equivalent of that for audio books and you can go and support your local bookseller that way.

Um, and that's what I did through the bookshop.org.

I don't know where my nearest local independent bookshop is.

I went there.

and found out that there's a store in Menominee that I could patronize and did that.

And I'll talk to Laura about my latest purchase when we communicate next.

Here on Mornings, across the Civic Media Radio Network, I'm Pat Rightlaw.

Pat

All right, let's continue our conversation with author Laura Ann Bird.

We heard about some of the things that are going to be big on summer reading lists coming up throughout the next couple of months here as people check out their libraries or their local independent bookseller as well.

And Laura, I was saying just before the break that based on what you said, I went to bookshop.org to find out a local independent bookstore that I could support and made my first purchase to benefit a place in Menominee.

So far, so good.

I'm a new customer.

And the, I want to tell you that the first purchase I made is because I've been told for 20 plus years, you want to write something, you want to write, you know, something about your time in TV or your time in politics or whatever.

And I would try every so often and it just, it just does.

didn't seem to come together and I'd get impatient.

So my first purchase was a book about creative writing.

I'm so used to writing in a news style.

And so I've got this big thing is 640 pages.

It's called the making of a story.

It's called a Norton guide to creative writing.

And so I wondered if you had any other words of encouragement for people who think they might have a story in them.

But

have had trouble getting it onto the page?

Laura Ann Bird

Mm hmm.

That's a great question, Pat.

Um, I would say my number one book that I really suggest you read, anybody reads with any sort of creative ambitions is Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert.

And the subtitle is Creative Living Beat.

Pat

Oh, I think.

we done lost her again.

Yep, I think we got a signal issue there.

So Laura, if you pop back up, just pick up where you left off here.

But I was not expecting something quite this big, you know, when it came about creative writing.

And it is, it is a very, you know, real thing.

I think Laura is calling in right now.

So Greg will let me know when she's on on and ready to join us again to write in one style and then to look at Tony right away on YouTube.

So you're writing a book.

Are you sure you're not running for office?

Tony, I promise you, I am not ready for office.

Laura, do we have you on the phone now?

Laura Ann Bird

I'm on the phone once

Pat

I get

Laura Ann Bird

technical difficulties.

Pat

That's that's all right.

So anyway, I was I was asking for advice and I'm sure you've gotten this because you are a published author.

You you're working.

Did you say you're working on your third one?

Laura Ann Bird

I am.

I'm working on my third middle grade novel.

So I write for kiddos ages 8 to 12 and I have two books already out and so I'm writing a third one.

And they're considered standalone companion stories, so they all kind of fit together.

They all take place in the same small town in northern Wisconsin, but they feature different main characters in each one.

So yes, I'm working on my third.

Just last week, I finished my second draft of that, which in some ways I think is the hardest draft to write.

So I'm hoping that I'm getting there bit by bit, chipping away.

Pat

So when when people do say well, how do you get started?

And how do you how do you make the time and everything else?

What do you tell folks?

Laura Ann Bird

Well, okay, you you were asking kind of about craft books before and I think one thing I would point people to if they have any sort of creative ambitions or any sort of like little desire in the back of their head to maybe write a book someday

But it's not just about writing.

You know, if you're a painter or you want to start a business, you have any sort of ambition of creating something new.

I love the book Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert.

It's called Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

And Pat, I can't recommend this enough.

She, Elizabeth Gilbert, is probably best known for her memoir, Eat, Pray, Love, which came out, gosh, probably 20, 25 years ago and it was made into a movie.

during Julia Roberts, if you remember that.

But Elizabeth Gilbert wrote this book called Big Magic and she writes about the creative process, about how creative ideas are sort of sent down to us from the creative universe and they roll along to us and it's our job to scoop them up and to do something with them or they roll along to someone else.

And so if you have an idea for a book, if there's something you might want to write about someday,

The creative universe has sent you this idea, Pat, and it's your job to follow through or it's going to roll along to someone else.

And Liz Gilbert writes so beautifully and so compelling about listening to that and honoring those creative impulses.

So it's more of creative inspiration, if you will, as opposed to like, it's not the nuts and bolts of actually sitting down to write a book, but I would definitely start there with big magic.

Pat

Sure.

Okay.

Well, no, that's another great recommendation.

And how does it work for you when you when you decide that it's time to sit and do some writing?

Are you one of those folks that you have to lock yourself in a room and nobody can interrupt you for, you know, 12 hours or are you one of those that just puts on some headphones in a coffee shop and taps some things out?

What's what's your own process?

Laura Ann Bird

Great question.

Well, my first book, which I wrote before the pandemic, I wrote

probably 95% of it at a coffee shop here in Madison.

I found that the white noise, you know, of kind of the, you know, espresso being, you know, foamed up and everything and the quiet talking in the background, that really helped me.

And it also helped to be out of my house, you know, where I wasn't surrounded by laundry and a dishwasher to unload.

But then the pandemic happened and I kind of stopped writing in coffee shops and I wrote my second book all at my house.

Same with my third book.

I've pretty much been here in my office at my home in Madison.

I don't like to be bothered, so I shut my door and it helps that my kids are all at school.

I don't have any kids at home anymore.

I like quiet music in the background.

I think the number one thing is putting your phone in a different room so that you are not tempted to pick up your phone.

And I think it helps if you, you know, close down like your email so that when you're writing, you don't see messages popping up on the screen and you don't feel that need.

you know, to toggle back and forth between your document and an email.

Pat

Okay.

The distraction is separate from my phone.

I will try.

I'll try.

Look, Lauren Bird, thank you so much as always for the recommendations and the advice and we'll talk to you again

Laura Ann Bird

soon.

Pat

Have a great day.

Coming up in our next hour, we'll talk to Melissa Baldoff.

We'll also have an update from meteorologist Brittany Merleau.

Greg Bach is back in one hour for Matt Nair on air, and I believe Greg, you again said Todd Alba is going to be joining you there.

Yes, sir.

Tune in for that.

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Ardith (commenter)

Hey, good

Pat (host)

morning.

How was your Memorial Day weekend?

Hope it was a lot of fun.

Hope you enjoyed the beautiful weather.

It's 8 0 6.

It's nice to have you here up north on this Tuesday morning.

May 27th, feels like a Monday, actually a Tuesday.

Parker is on the board.

Greg will be back in one hour and meteorologist Brittany Merlois here.

Chad Holmes not far away to tell us what he's covering at 98.9 WXCO and then at the bottom of the hour.

Melissa Baldoff will be here.

Normally she's on Wednesdays, Dan Schaefer on Tuesdays.

They are switching spots for this week.

So we'll talk to Melissa Baldoff about climate, environment and politics all coming up in just a little bit.

But as mentioned, Brittany's here with an update on forecast where the radar makes it look like there's widespread isolated showers throughout Wisconsin.

But I was wondering if how much of that is actually hitting the ground and how much of it, you know, you know how that is sometimes it just hits the radar and we we've gone entire days sometimes where we're under a big green blob and it's like not a drop has fallen and I sense that might be the case in some places today.

Brittany Merlo (meteorologist)

Yeah, that is the case right now.

A lot of it's not making it to the ground across the state, but into areas like La Crosse and just south of La Crosse, you are seeing that light rain ongoing this morning.

And of course, this is going to start to slowly spread throughout the rest of the state.

So a little bit of sprinkles, some light drizzle, light rain is expected in those clouds.

We're going to be stuck with them all day.

Slightly breezy this afternoon, but temperatures are pretty mild in the mid forties towards superior in Ashland to about 60.

degrees into the Fox Valley and towards Milwaukee area right now.

There is some sunshine out there, but that will become all overcast and cloudy throughout the afternoon.

Some spotty showers and maybe a brief rumble of thunder is possible far northwest later this afternoon and evening.

But we're not looking at anything strong or severe.

It would just be a nice little rumble of thunder there.

Highs today will scrape the upper sixties to low seventies.

That'll be a repeat tomorrow.

So do the rain chances still spotty sprinkles.

Some scattered

was expected tomorrow probably total rainfall from this event would be around a quarter of an inch in some places so nothing too wild and then by Thursday sunshine returns and so does the warmth we close it out this entire week bright and beautiful

Pat (host)

80s

Brittany Merlo (meteorologist)

Yeah, that was 80s, 80s, 80s by Friday.

Yeah, and into next week too.

So summer weather is right around the corner after these two drearier type of days.

Pat (host)

Okay.

We were talking earlier about some of the zoos around Wisconsin and places to see critters and Tony mentioned just across the border in Duluth.

There's bears at the zoo there.

And do you have a favorite place where you like to go in the zoo category?

Brittany Merlo (meteorologist)

Um, I used to go to, was it the Wildwood Zoo?

Over in the Green Bay area all the time, where they have the wolves out, and if the tornado sirens are going off and the wolves, they'll start howling with it.

It's pretty cool

Pat (host)

stuff.

Only you could come up with, hey, go watch the wolves while the tornado sirens are going off.

That's cool.

Ardith (commenter)

That sounds like Armageddon to me.

Pat (host)

It really does, doesn't it?

Yep.

But no, it'd be pretty good.

Look at the power of the sirens and the storm and the wolves.

Yeah, exactly.

Thank you, Brittany.

Have a great day.

We'll see you later.

Let's see.

In the comment section from Ardith, I vote to have Laura and Bird have her own show on Civic Media.

I hope Luke Mathers is watching.

So there you go, Luke.

You are on notice that Laura would be a great addition.

Well, let's put the training wheels on first.

Let's have our guest host a time or two and who knows?

We could get all kinds of folks.

We mentioned Dr. Lyrely earlier.

Well, I think we mentioned her.

Here it is in Robin Tigerton saying, wishing she would run for governor because we were talking earlier about potential.

governor candidates in the future here.

And now she's got her own show on Saturdays on stations in Green Bay and Oshkosh.

And of course, you can get it through the Civic Media app or out on the Civic Media website as well.

All right, while we wait to hopefully visit with chat homes today at 810.

I wanted to pass along an article about Medicaid and we've been talking a lot about Medicaid cuts.

And then there's people like Derek Van Orden and others on the Republican side who say

There are not going to be any benefit cuts.

We're just going to get rid of the waste, fraud, and abuse.

And we're going to have these work requirements because we always hear how, you know, able-bodied adults should be working.

And the fact of the matter is a vast number of people on Medicaid are already working, but they're working for very low wages or they're working for employers who do not offer health insurance.

And Medicaid is how they keep from, you know, going bankrupt because of health issues.

That's part of the good that it does.

But

Under the guise of cutting so-called waste fraud and abuse and you know making sure only able bodied workers are there Come these requirements these work requirements and these reporting requirements In other words red tape, you know the party that always tells you they want to deregulate and that they're against red tape and they're against government bureaucracy Definitely finds a way to use government bureaucracy and red tape when it's their advantage whether it's

preventing people from registering to vote or preventing people from getting the Medicaid benefits they've earned because of, you know, the work that they're doing.

So, here was a story that came across the wire from the current magazine.

Last summer, as political debates swirled over the future of Georgia's experiment with Medicaid work requirements, the governor there, Brian Kemp, held a press conference to unveil a three-minute testimonial video featuring a mechanic who works on classic cars.

The story here is about Luke Seaborn, he's a 54-year-old who became the de facto face

of Governor Kemp's insurance program for impoverished Georgians called Georgia Pathway to Coverage.

And in his soft southern drawl, Seaborn explained how having insurance has improved his life in the year that he has been enrolled.

He said in the video, pathways is a great program that offers health insurance to low income professionals like myself.

And Kemp, you know, said pathways is how they're gonna decrease the state's high rate of uninsured adults while at the same time, reining in government spending because of, you know, adding those Republican led Medicaid work requirements.

But you go talk to Luke Seaborne now and he'll tell you how in the nine months since that video was put out, his opinion of pathways has plummeted because not once, but twice.

His benefits, his health insurance has been canceled due to bureaucratic red tape.

Seaborn recently told the current, I used to think of pathways as a blessing, now I'm done with it.

There have been no shortage of reports of how Seaborn is emblematic of the hundreds of thousands of people who would struggle to

get enrolled or maintain their coverage because, again, you can put in these work requirements, which involve reporting requirements, which involve forms or online check-ins.

And for Luke Seaborne, the car mechanic, he said that he was used to the routine at first.

He would go onto this online system once a month.

He would log in his work hours as required.

But according to this report, his benefits were canceled the first time after he failed to complete a new form that he said the state had added without adequate warning.

Seaborn said the form asked for the same information he'd been submitting every month just in a different format.

Now at the time, because Seaborn had been in a video promoting this program, he knew of an insurance executive that was connected to him being in the video, somebody he could reach out to for help because he wasn't getting his questions answered from the state's Medicaid agency.

Well, sure enough, thanks to those connections, within 24 hours, the benefits had been restored.

And he thought, well, maybe that would be it.

Because again, he was playing by the rules.

He was proving that he had met the requirements for every month, having 80 hours of work or studying or volunteering.

But even so, in March, he logged into the digital platform to make sure everything was good, even though the reporting requirements didn't require him to be there.

He'd already been meeting the hour threshold.

And yet, there online was a notice that his benefits were going to be terminated on April 1st because he had missed filing an annual income statement, which was news to him because his coverage was not up for renewal.

And so that's where we bring Chad Holmes into the conversation from 98.9 WXCO in talking about, I'll leave it with Luke Seaborn scene, my head exploded.

I didn't get a text or an email.

I did what I was supposed to, but that wasn't good enough.

Chad I mean it is it is the Republican waste fraud and abuse version of the shell game.

We're going to put in these work requirements and then we're going to change the rules around so you can't meet the requirements and then we can cut off your Medicaid and it's cruel and it has no purpose other than to pay for tax cuts for the very wealthy and it's just honestly it's it's just sick.

Chad Holmes

Yeah.

You hit it all on the head.

Number one, I apologize.

Pat (host)

It's Tuesday.

Chad Holmes

It's Tuesday.

I know.

Pat (host)

I was like, that's day after Memorial Day.

We all go through it.

So did you have a good

Chad Holmes

weekend?

Yeah, I'm sitting at my desk and I got a ballgame this afternoon.

So I'm printing out some stuff.

And then all of a sudden I just check my email and I see a message from you and it's like paging me and I say, oh, come sprinting in here.

And it's like, what?

Oh, man.

And I would have normally noticed it.

But this morning I get in and we're on 98.9 WXCO and we're on 1230 WXCO.

But for some reason, 1230 is not on and I have two monitors.

And the monitor by my desk is on 1230.

So there's nothing coming through it right now.

And normally I'm listening to you and I'm in the segments between in the morning.

it's like, everything.

It's a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, and I don't have my monitor.

So all of a sudden, I look at the clock and it's like 1314 after that.

Oh, boy, I just I left pat hanging.

Pat (host)

It's a perfect storm.

But I I teed it up for you quite nicely.

Because I know this is right in your wheelhouse to of hearing all about waste, fraud and abuse.

When again, the people who are against bureaucratic red tape.

Sure know how to put it in place if it's keeping folks from their benefits or keeping folks from registering to vote and things like that

Chad Holmes

No, that's exactly right.

I mean it's just I don't know shell game is the proper way of putting it, but there certainly is not There's a lack of principle, you know, I can almost understand when you have

disagreements based on principle.

I think that, again, part of the whole idea of what we're trying to accomplish within our system, it is not a pretty system, I have to say the least, but at least if you have some sort of intellectual honesty.

when it comes to what you're trying to get through.

But boy, when you just change the rules every time that it depends on, you know, what we're talking about here, you switch it off.

Oh, in this case, you need to have, you know, all your eyes dotted and your teeth crossed.

But here, you don't have to do it because it's the principle of the matter that gets through.

That's the frustrating aspect.

And I feel like we're going through so much where it's, it's whack-a-mole in terms of, instead of just having, hey, if they truly believe that none of these earned benefits,

should be part of our system, then say it, doggone it, just come out and say it.

We don't believe in social security.

We don't believe in Medicare.

We don't believe in Medicaid.

Because if you look at history, going back to the New Deal and even going back to the progressive era of the early 20th century, it's always been the conservatives that said, oh, we can't do this.

We can't afford this.

It's the

Brittany Merlo (meteorologist)

wrong thing

Chad Holmes

to do.

But nowadays, they're trying to pretend, oh, we're not cunning anything.

We're just taking away the fraud and the abuse of it.

It's intellectually dishonest.

Pat (host)

It is.

And that's, that's the whole point.

So when Derek Van Orden again says, nobody's getting their benefits cut, he's kind of got his fingers crossed behind his back because this, this is how they make those cuts.

Chad Holmes.

It's all lies.

Follows it all at 989 WXCO.

Thanks,

Brittany Merlo (meteorologist)

Chad.

Pat (host)

I promise I'll be on time Thursday.

No worries.

All right.

I will talk to you later.

Still ahead on the program today, we'll

be talking to Melissa Baldoff from the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Critello (host)

Welcome back on this Tuesday morning, May 27th, just about 8 23.

And I'm going to use a point of personal privilege here to solicit responses to a personal question because it'll be fun.

I've got four grandkids.

The youngest is three, then there's six, then there's 11.

And then there's the 18 year old who is graduating high school at the end of this week.

So

I believe Todd Alba will be filling in here on Friday so that I can attend the young man's graduation.

And we raised two daughters.

So we haven't had this issue before with, you know, a grandson turning 18 and graduating.

And, you know, the future plans are still kind of, you know, TBD.

So there's no like, he's going to this college or this school or this thing so you can get him something related to it.

So it's a much more general.

What do you get for high school graduation gifts nowadays?

Now, again, we're grandparents.

There will be a little cash involved.

That's the easy thing to do, right color, right size, et cetera.

But you always want something a little bit different.

And with the younger grandkids, I mean, of course, that's easy.

What's their favorite toy?

The six-year-old before Christmas, we asked, well, what do you want for Christmas?

And he said, Play-Doh pizza scooter.

And we were like, what?

And sure enough, Play-Doh has a little scooter, you know, a little trike thing with a little box on the back where you can make pizzas out of Play-Doh and then pretend to deliver the pizzas.

You can't get the kids ready soon enough for jobs in the service industry.

But I mean, that's an easy thing.

You know, toys for a six-year-old.

And yeah, Tony, like I said, cash money always works, but a little something else.

So I went looking.

on the on the worldwide web there to see what people were suggesting and I did see some ideas in the New York Times in their wire cutter section which is kind of their technology you know tech nerds and things like that and it included things like you know luggage was a good example because I remember when I was young and moving to college and then moving from the dorms into my first place

Garbage bags, you know 60 gallon garbage bags could would take care of things just fine But you can't really check that in if you're flying home to see mom and dad or grandma and grandpa or anything like that So luggage was you know one good idea that was out there.

I remember my dad's advice was you start with a couple of tools

back when it was Sears Craftsman, things like that.

And so maybe you've got the wrench set and then you ask somebody for the socket set and pretty soon you're getting a cordless drill and you're building things up that way.

Mr. Olson, you are much closer to your high school and college graduations than I am.

I got a Victrola back then and a Calliope.

What about you?

What kind of gifts are they giving young men these days?

I think it was just

Tony Olson (contributor)

cash from what I remember.

I'm not sure if I would have loved luggage.

Luggage would have been sweet.

That's a good idea.

Pat Critello (host)

Yeah, I'm not the full set.

Just, you know, one little roller bag or something.

So you've got something halfway decent here.

We've also done the gas cards.

Alicia mentions that on YouTube, video games, a gift card for the council he plays on.

We have done that as well in past years.

So yeah, I feel like we're by and large, but we thought, well, for high school, maybe it's a little something else, you know?

So you're saying it was mostly cash money.

Tony Olson (contributor)

I think so, yeah, you can't go wrong with cash money.

Does he have his college plans set to go?

Pat Critello (host)

No, no, that's still kind of a, like I said, TBD.

And so we're looking for things that are more utilitarian.

So I'm kind of scrolling through the the wire cutter one wireless headphones.

comes on there.

That's that's an interesting one.

You could get something kind of in the jewelry category like a ring or a bracelet or something that's engaged.

You could do something that would go in a dorm room or an apartment, maybe maybe a cool lamp, you know, or something like that.

Oh, here's one for just a portable coffee maker, either a little coffee maker or a bean grinder, you know, the kinds of things that you don't think you're going to need, then somebody gives it to you and you go,

Oh, hey, this is pretty cool.

Tony Olson (contributor)

There was a stage in my life where I was asking for anything that you can put on a wall because I needed dorm room stuff.

Pat Critello (host)

Yes, you can't just have the beer posters, you know, that you had back back in my day.

Well, that's where a hand held cordless vacuum is on the list here.

I cannot believe this one's on the wire cutter list.

The air popper, the air popped popcorn.

I didn't know that was even a thing anymore.

That was.

That was the newest thing.

That was cutting edge technology in 1982 was here's this air popper.

And everybody thought it was cool at first till we finally, you know, we're all truthful with each other and said that air popped popcorn tastes exactly like packing peanuts made out of styrofoam.

You know, you, you want it in the old fashioned popper, get a little bit better, you know, butter, a little oil on there.

But hey,

Maybe maybe they're better these days than they were 43 years ago, you know, maybe maybe things are better off.

That

Tony Olson (contributor)

could be I had my mom got an air popper a couple of years ago.

I don't

Pat Critello (host)

remember

Tony Olson (contributor)

if it's taste like styrofoam though.

Pat Critello (host)

Okay, well, yeah, maybe things have come along.

Tony says cordless drill is a fantastic gift.

You don't realize how much you need it until you have it.

He quickly adds.

Yes, with multiple bits as well.

Um, there's that one.

Oh, Tony's got one more for us.

I'll bet he'd love a mornings with Pat quite low poster for his wall.

Tony Olson (contributor)

I want to see that poster.

Pat Critello (host)

Wouldn't that be just, that would be so in keeping like, where'd you, who's that?

That's my narcissistic grandpa.

He gave me a poster from his radio show.

That's hilarious.

I might have to work on that.

And I love doing photo gifts.

What are they?

Shutter, fly, and there's a couple of others.

I love doing that with coffee mugs with photos on there and things like that.

So I would, I really appreciate the suggestions that are coming in from Mary and Tosa.

One gift to your grandson with your love of the environment and birds.

How about a subscription to a nature organization to plant the seed?

I did that as well as cash for the grandkids.

Another very nice idea.

So thank you all for that.

I hope I got the wheels turning for either your own gift giving or if you want to send us a note later on.

Hey, I got a couple more days before I've got to come up with something here, and I think that I will.

Coming up next, Melissa Baldoff, but first a reminder, sign up for our newsletters, plural, head over to our homepage, upnorthnewswi.com, live from Lake Wissota.

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Pat Crightlow (host)

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All right, let's check in with Melissa Baldoff.

She's in today, Dan Schafer will join us tomorrow at this point.

Melissa, how was your Memorial Day weekend?

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

It was full of AAU basketball for the most part, but it was a wonderful weekend.

Got to enjoy some time.

outside and enjoy some lovely weather with our family yesterday.

So we had a great weekend.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Who's all playing AAU basketball?

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Our 16 year old

Pat Crightlow (host)

boy is.

Oh, OK.

Oh, that keeps you busy.

It sure

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

does, but it's a lot of fun.

Pat Crightlow (host)

I can say, do you do a bunch of the driving for it or like going to practices and things like that?

Or is he doing that?

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Well, yeah.

Well, or maybe not, I guess depends on how we look at it.

It varies day to day.

He got his license a month ago and is doing some of the driving to practice himself, which is nice, but it's always nerve wracking having a new.

driver on the road.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yes, yes, it is.

And you know, but eventually you look back and go, Oh my gosh, it was like Liberation Day, and not the Donald Trump kind a true liberation from being, you know, the bus driver for everything all the time.

Hey, before we get into climate stuff, we were talking in our last half hour about the

the phony war on waste, fraud and abuse in things like Medicaid and nutritional programs and things like that.

And we were talking about the work requirements that are imposed, which are nothing more than, you know, red tape and bureaucracy to deny people benefits.

And you'd think that there would be better ways for our lawmakers to spend their time, but no, not only in Washington, DC, but here in Madison.

I'm looking at a new report from Baylor Spears over at the Wisconsin Examiner.

Go to WisconsinExaminer.com.

And the headline is, Joining National Efforts Wisconsin Republicans Support Junk Food Bans.

A pair of bills that would prevent low income Wisconsinites from buying junk food and ban certain ingredients in school meals, taking inspiration from Robert Kennedy Jr.'

's agenda.

Representative Clint Moses, Republican of Ben nominee, is the lead author on

both bills and he says it's all about ensuring that the food that children and others are eating is healthy.

The one bill would bar participants and snap also known as food share from purchasing soda and candy with their benefits.

Now I'm not going to sit here and talk about the nutritional value of soda and candy, but can we talk about the party that loves to say they're against big government until they're in a position to dictate what you do?

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Oh, absolutely.

And I mean, the hypocrisy here is just astonishing as always.

I mean, I am like many folks probably remember when Republicans just absolutely had a complete meltdown when First Lady Michelle Obama talked about

making school lunches healthier and helping schools maybe have a community garden to get kids to eat some more vegetables.

So the idea that any of these Republicans actually care about what kind of healthy foods kids are eating is ridiculous because that's not the point here.

If the point was keeping kids healthy, what they would do would be to expand Medicaid.

and have kids get vaccines and expand SNAP and WIC because we know that so many kids are not getting the nutrition they need.

Republicans in the state would support Governor Evers' proposal to make school lunch and breakfast free for all kids because we know that that was something that was a really

great pandemic era program that unfortunately ended during COVID.

All kids were eligible to get free breakfast and lunch in school and more kids were able to have a nutritious diet then because we know unfortunately a lot of kids, the meals that they get at school are the only ones that they can rely on.

And if they actually cared about

what kids were getting in school and the health of kids and well-being of kids.

Those are the kinds of things they would be focusing on.

This is just another way to police what poor people are doing, to shame people and to divide people really.

This is to distract from other things and to say, hey, you people that are working class, middle class, instead of being mad at the billionaires that we want to give tax breaks to,

you should be mad that people who are poor and have a little bit less than you might be able to give their kid a birthday cake and some sprite.

And I mean, that's really what this is.

I mean, everybody, no matter whether they're working, whether they're poor, no matter how much money they make, you know, I'm certainly not saying everybody should eat junk food all the time, but everybody deserves to be able to have a soda or

a birthday cake or a candy bar every once in a while like if they want one and whether you're poor or not shouldn't matter.

This is not about actually anybody's health.

This is about dividing people and it's really pretty.

pretty

Pat Crightlow (host)

sick.

And again, the the hypocrisy over, you know, reporting requirements like this, whereas they they work so hard to not have reporting requirements for things like, you know, the manufacturing and agriculture tax credit, which is just such a big corporate giveaway in the state budget without

needing to prove that you've created even a single job before you get this essentially corporate welfare from the taxpayers of the state of Wisconsin.

They can do these things.

If they wanted to, they just choose only to do it to the poor people instead.

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Exactly.

Pat Crightlow (host)

And anybody else that, you know, they feel like controlling that particular day.

All right, let's let's move over to climate matters for a bit here where

President Donald Trump signed an executive order back on Friday.

The intent is to quadruple domestic production of nuclear power within the next 25 years.

A goal that experts say the country is unlikely to reach.

but to speed up the development of nuclear power, the orders grant the US Energy Secretary the authority to approve some advanced reactor designs and projects, taking the authority away from, wait for it, the independent safety agency that has regulated the US nuclear industry for five decades.

So again, Melissa, this is not a debate about nuclear energy and whether it, which is a very valid debate, you know, the zero carbon aspect versus, you know, the nuclear meltdown.

thing.

It's the way that they're going about doing it saying, let's bypass the safety panel.

How many more times do I have to feel like we're living a Hollywood blockbuster, you know, the disaster movie, everything that happens right before the disaster happens?

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Right.

I mean, it's both the disaster movie and everything that happens before the disaster movie.

And it's also the show Veep on HBO because it is full of

just the most bumbling, inept losers you could pack into a room.

I mean, we've already seen what the track record is for the Trump administration on regulations, on safety, and if the way they have operated our airline travel,

is any indication people should be incredibly concerned about this.

We know that they are always looking to take shortcuts that when it comes to Donald Trump and how he makes decisions, we've seen it in his business.

We've seen it with how he operates.

I don't want to say with how he governs because I don't want to.

shame the word, but how he operates as president, you know, it is always about rewarding people that he thinks will benefit him and how he will be personally enriched.

We know that safety is not going to be a concern.

We know that, you know, integrity and, you know, doing right by workers is not going to be a concern.

So yeah, this is something that people should be aware of.

They should be paying attention to and they should

have a lot of questions and have a lot of a lot of concerns about the risk here because like you said the debate on you know whether we expand nuclear and how much is you know the right mix of you know that power generation you know that's definitely a valid debate but as I think in this story you mentioned I thought this was really

I couldn't say this any better.

The man, Gregory Jacko, I don't know how you say his last name, so excuse me, sir, for mispronouncing your last name.

But the man who led the NRC under President Obama said that Donald Trump's executive orders look like someone asked an AI chatbot, how do we make the nuclear industry worse in this country?

And I think that pretty much sums it up.

Pat Crightlow (host)

Yes, yeah, it does.

And again, there's something else that we haven't talked about.

We haven't talked about this for a long time.

It's been something that was a hot topic for a while, and then it kind of went to the national back burner.

But the fact of the matter is, if we ramp up nuclear energy production again, we're gonna have to again have that discussion of what to do with nuclear waste, because we still haven't resolved how to store

tens of thousands of tons of already existing hazardous nuclear waste.

I couldn't even tell you Melissa, the last time that came up in any kind of big public discussion, but that's still sitting out there as well.

Melissa Baldoff (contributor)

Absolutely.

Pat Crightlow (host)

I got a feeling we're not going to hear any solution about that either, anytime.

Actually, no, I take that back and I say this tongue planted firmly in cheek, but you just know that if

Donald Trump gets the chance.

He's gonna say something like well We're gonna store the nuclear waste in all of these blue cities, you know in Chicago and New York and rather than you know a mountain in Nevada because that might be a red state and so there He's gonna look for some way to again.

I love I love the analogy of a disaster movie and Veep.

I mean

It's the perfect mix of what we're dealing with right here.

What we won't have as much time for here, and maybe it's for the best today, is that there's a Texas oil executive from Elon Musk's government quote unquote efficiency team that has been given sweeping powers without Senate confirmation to overhaul the federal department that manages vast tracts of resource rich public lands.

But because he isn't up for Senate confirmation, he has now to divest his energy investments, which include ties to Russia or fill out an ethics commitment to break any ties with companies that pose a conflict of interest.

Might we get into this next week?

I doubt it.

I think it's enough just to hear that that's exactly what's going on here and talk about it with Melissa Baldoff as we always do.

I'm Pat Crightlow from the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota.

It's Tuesday morning here across the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crite (host)

We're on the program.

Earl Ingram will join us as will Dan Schaefer.

Melissa Baldoff is with us right now.

Parker Olsen down in Madison.

So before we, I do want to get back to this guy who's going to be doing this stuff for the Interior Department.

But you mentioned the basketball tournament for Memorial Day, which I'm guessing is not an annual thing, but the next one will be like 4th of July weekend.

Do you guys have a 4th of July tradition that you're already looking forward to?

Or is it always you play it on the fly every year?

Melissa Baldoff (guest)

We have some friends in town who have a party every year that we look forward to every year, which is always a great time.

And they are right across the street from the park on Lake Michigan where Shorewood has our fireworks.

So that's always a wonderful time that we look forward to every year.

And of course, the parade here in Shorewood we always have a good time with.

So yeah, we like to stay in town and then maybe every other year we end up

go into some other parties during the day, visiting family and friends, and then, you know, the next year we say, well, that was too much.

Let's just, let's just one party.

So.

Pat Crite (host)

And Parker, you said yours is much less about 4th of July, but more like Father's Day is an annual event.

Parker Olsen (guest)

Yeah, we don't really do a whole heck of a lot during the summer.

4th of July has never been huge for us.

We just kind of hang out on Father's Day, get together with the family, hang out on the patio, that kind

Pat Crite (host)

of

Parker Olsen (guest)

stuff.

Pat Crite (host)

Okay, it wasn't like a father's day like golf outing every year or something like that.

Well,

Parker Olsen (guest)

that would be fun.

I would be on board for that.

Pat Crite (host)

Oh, okay.

Well, there you go.

The Alton family is on notice.

But listen, let me get back to the other article that we were talking about here, and it deals with, again, Trump's Interior Department.

And the headline is...

Here's what a Texas oil executive from Doge is doing inside the Interior Department.

And it talks all about this guy, Tyler Hassan, or Hassan, I think it's Tyler Hassan, who has no public administration experience, but he's been tasked.

to reorganize the Interior Department, which oversees 70,000 employees in 11 agencies, including the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Bureau of Reclamation, the US Geological Survey, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

For the past couple of decades, Hassan has been at a company involved in the manufacture and sale of oil rigs worldwide.

He makes millions annually from these companies owned by somebody who is well connected with Russia.

As if all of this weren't enough.

He is going to be reviewing quote every single contract every single grant According to the Trump administration and the Interior Department's strategic plan Calls for increasing coal oil and gas production through faster permitting and to generate more revenue from lands and resources to the US Treasury

The fact that all of this does not require, it's in a position that does not require Senate confirmation, you know, it should be enough of a red flag on its own.

And I just feel like, again, there's very little that can be done to stop it, but I feel like you have to bring these things up from time to time so that I think the worst thing that can happen out there these days is complacency when people go, eh, what are you gonna do?

You know, you should know about these things.

Melissa Baldoff (guest)

Yeah, absolutely people need to know about things and need to know how Outside of the norm they are.

This is not business as usual.

This is not just how both sides have always done it This is not just how business operates and government operates.

This really is extraordinary You know, we're also is also talking in this article about how Hassan has twice filed a notice in the federal register extending Trump's freeze on regulations

which keeps agencies from proposing or issuing any new rules, and he has removed the opportunity for public comment, which is really, I think, telling that they don't want the public engaged in what they're doing.

They want to push all this through as quietly as they can.

They want people to not pay attention, but it's really extraordinary, and they're making extraordinary claims.

throughout the whole doge operation, you know, alleging that they have identified massive amounts of waste, fraud and abuse, including apparently, you know, Hassan is saying this, yet we're not seeing any evidence.

And, you know, I think that most people agree that.

you know, these extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

And we are not seeing any evidence of massive waste, fraud, and abuse being rooted out by Elon Musk and, you know, the Doge Boys.

So for them to continue to make these claims and then not, you know, not lay their cards on the table and not show their work is even more disturbing that they continue to operate.

and make these claims that they are uncovering these vast amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse, but they don't actually identify what that is.

Pat Crite (host)

From the text line, Steve in Milwaukee says, what is the Senate going to do with the big, beautiful bill that passed the House?

And I've said before, but I want to know if you have a guess.

I genuinely don't know.

I don't know if they will scale it back.

or if they will be the ones that go, you know what, yeah, let's go big or go home.

I also wouldn't be surprised if come October, when the fiscal year ends and there's supposed to be a new budget, that they still haven't worked out anything and they punt it and they kick the can again.

It could be any of those things.

I guess I'd lean toward the third option, but I don't know, Melissa, any any guess on how this all comes out with the Senate?

Melissa Baldoff (guest)

Yeah, I think that it's anybody's guess.

And I think this is the consequence of what happens when you have a bunch of unserious people in charge.

They don't know what to do.

They are motivated not by doing what's right by the American people, not by fulfilling any promises that have been made to help reduce costs and make the economy better.

Right, they are motivated by, you know, their politically ambitions and their loyalty to Donald Trump.

Pat Crite (host)

And that's what it is about above all else.

Melissa Baldough, thank you again.

Thanks for coming in a day early.

We'll see you next week.

Melissa Baldoff (guest)

All right, sounds good.

Pat Crite (host)

All right.

Now, tomorrow on the program, we're going to have Matt Brusky, part of a coalition of groups that would like Governor Evers to veto the state budget bill in its entirety if it doesn't reach a certain threshold of support for vital public services.

Also, Dan Schaefer, Errol Ingram.

Thanks for being part of our Tuesday morning here.

That's part of Up North News.

We are part of Courier, a pro-democracy news network.

I'm Pat Crite.

We'll see you tomorrow morning here up north.

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