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Artificial Intelligence, Real Stupidity (Hour 2)
Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri May 23, 2025
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Good morning, happy Friday.
We've made it to Memorial Day weekend, 7.06.
Nice to have you here up north on this Friday, May 23rd, 2025.
Meteorologist Brittany Merlot coming up in just a sec.
and your chance to win four Brewer's tickets to a game next Tuesday by texting us through the Civic Media app.
I'm going to talk to you a bit about that as well.
Also, of course, our Week in Review panel coming up with former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel and a couple of veteran Chicago journalists.
So we're going to have to ask about how one Chicago newspaper learned the hard way how not to trust AI fully to write some of your copy.
We'll have Dr. Kristen Lierly here about an hour from now.
We'll talk a little bit of health news guarding against preeclampsia, a condition during pregnancy that can lead to high blood pressure and serious impacts to mother and baby.
So we'll ask our favorite OBGYN about that.
We'll wrap up our second round of interviews with candidates for state Democratic Party chair with William Garcia joining us as well.
So a lot to get to today on a morning that is sunny.
but still cool.
Seven o'clock temps include 39 here in Chippewa Falls.
It's 30 in Hayward, 40 in Amory.
Wausau's at 38.
It's 40 in Rapids, 44 in La Crosse, Green Bay's at 42.
It is Madison's, 45 in Madison, where we find Mr. Parker Olson.
It's 44 at Radio Park, where we find Mr. Greg Bach.
And again, it is back in Wausau, 38 degrees, where Brittany Merlot has this delightfully sunny forecast for our Friday.
Ms.
Merlo, good morning.
Good morning.
What do you got planned for the
weekend?
Oh, I'm actually hosting this weekend.
I've got the family and friends coming up.
I'm excited.
We're going to do some kayaking, and we're also going to do some off-roading with the Jeeps.
We're going to go to that park that we have here in Tigerton.
So that'll be exciting.
Otherwise, I mean...
Funny that
funny that you say that about the Jeep.
Let me get to Rob Rob says good morning from Tigerton It's sunny and 41.
It was 34 degrees.
It's sunrise a couple hours ago.
I mowed six yards in Tigerton It was a sweatshirt and hoodie weather and then he goes on to say that yesterday while I was mowing at a job near my mechanic Todd's shop My cousin Donnie's Jeep broke down a block away and I pulled his Jeep to Todd shop with my craftsman lawn mower
right in the shop so my riding mower can pull a Jeep.
Rob, way to go.
Not
all heroes wear
capes, you know?
We
talked about Stevie Nicks having a birthday over the weekend here and you talked about having a childhood crush on Stevie Nicks way back when.
And he says, I hope my favorite morning show crew has a great Memorial Day weekend and take time to honor our really true heroes who gave their lives to protect us, protect our rights and our freedoms.
I couldn't say it better myself, Rob.
Thank you very much for that.
So there you go.
If, if you have any problems with the Jeep, you call Rob, he'll come out there with that, riding that craftsman and
he'll take care of
you.
Rob, I'm Kenosha.
Come pick me up, buddy.
Kenosha might be a stretch, but then again, given, given, given that craftsman, it just might.
So back to the sunshine,
but the
cool temperatures that we've got for all those activities.
Yeah.
So if that's the worst that we have to deal with as Chris cooler mornings with frost advisory is going out up north.
I think that's not too terrible.
We've got a gorgeous weekend here for the holiday weekend.
Beautiful sunshine, a few scattered clouds out there, especially hanging out by Lake Michigan this morning.
But otherwise, temperatures, sure, they're crisp.
That frost advisory expires at 9 AM.
And then today, we are gonna rise to those 60s, low 60s, far west, even into the north.
You're gonna see some 60 degree temperatures and then some mid 50s off to the east as well.
So we'll get another frosty night tonight, possibly again tomorrow night, but then those temperatures warm up and we are looking at summer conditions returning by next week.
But for this weekend, we've got nothing but sunshine today, tomorrow, Sunday, Monday,
Looks like the rain chances are going to be holding off until late Monday.
They don't really, really widespread push in until Tuesday now.
So this is fantastic weather for the weekend.
I'm usually used to forecasting some storms to dampen plans.
Cold weather, yeah.
I
know.
Storms to dampen plans.
That is amazing turn of phrase.
Yes, I shortened it more with God hates campers.
It always feels that way on some of these holiday weekends.
It's like, why again?
Why on these holiday weekends?
It's like, is that the only explanation?
It's a little chilly yet for a pontoon ride, but, but the pontoon is in.
What are you crying about?
I
want now.
I
know.
Well, then.
Todd Alba, I'm sure is thinking the same thing because Todd Alba initially was going to do his show live from my pontoon somewhere in the middle of Lake Wissota.
Dude, I don't even, what do you, you just, why do you ask for trouble and like poor Aaron's Omers?
But instead we're going to go with the more stable Wi-Fi connection and Todd Alba show today is going to be from Lake Wissota, but out on my back deck.
So we've got that with like with soda in the background there.
So Brittany, hope it's a lot of fun for you this weekend and we'll get an updated forecast in an hour.
Sounds good.
You too.
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Let's see.
Also on online here, Alicia points out.
Let's remember it is not a weekend for veterans.
It's for those who did not make at home And I think that's sometimes an important distinction to make and again, there's there's no you know
ill intent involved here, but some folks think it's about all veterans.
We have Veterans Day for that.
We, of course, have the 4th of July, but Memorial Day is much more of a sacred thing.
Yes, it's a long weekend where we can all have a little bit of fun and relax, but do take time to thank those men and women whose ultimate sacrifice allows us to have the kind of country that we do.
Greg Bach is part of Matt and Air on Air, and that's coming up from
Well, what, 9 to 11 these days, right?
Uh-huh.
And, yep.
What do you got coming on today, a familiar face at 10.06?
You're going to recombobulate.
Actually, no, Dan is on vacation today.
So there will be, there will be no, it will just be discombobulated for until next Friday.
And I'm,
I feel discombobulated throwing that toss at you then.
Oh,
because we have other guests coming up.
It's going to be great.
We're going to have a fun day.
Uh, we're going to have Kyle Chisholm Chisholm from the, the Madison Mallards.
It's a, uh, Northwood's baseball
team.
Yeah.
They'll be,
he'll be
talking about this, this upcoming season and specifically what they have in the way of like, you know, fun.
team nights because independent and minor league baseball does it.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
Major league baseball, you're fine at theme nights, but they do it in a way that it's just purely like, Hey, mom and dad are out of the town for this weekend.
We're going to get crazy and weird.
So he'll be on at 1022 today.
And then Tyler Moss, who is one of the co-founders and writers at the Milwaukee record, will be here at 1030 to talk about everything that's going on, not just this weekend in Milwaukee and the Southeastern Wisconsin, but what's happening over the next month or so as we get closer and closer to summer.
So that's going to be in our 10 o'clock hour.
And then of course, Pat, what would a day on matinee
on Airbnb without this shouldn't be a thing at 1050 where we kind of look at a fun new story and ask the question does this actually need to be so yeah all that coming up at nine this morning.
Love Northwoods League Baseball, Hitler Express, Parker I'm sure you've been to a game or two from some Northwoods teams.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've been to a couple of Mallards games.
Those are great as well.
So, yep, a lot of good stuff coming up for baseball.
Also coming up today on the Maggie Dawn Show, Terry Barr will be on to talk about what's good and local and overlooked.
And then more Terry Barr.
It's Bar Band Friday on Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.
And it says here that she'll be introducing Pete and the listeners to a band that started playing together in high school.
They've now graduated but are still together and doing great.
They have new music out and earned a spot at the biggest music festival around summer fest.
So good on them.
And that leads me to this.
Online comment and I can't vouch for this and I shouldn't necessarily be you know reading things blindly But just in case Oz puts my band is at the thirsty badger Saturday night coming.
I'll buy you a beer My cows and I listen every morning.
Thanks.
So Oz wherever the thirsty badger is
There's a band playing there.
Ask for us and he'll buy
you a beer.
What's the name of your band?
It's called Wizard of Oz.
I mean, that sounds like a fun name for a band.
It probably had some trademark thing.
You know, those lawyers, Santel's listening in, you probably can't do something like that.
So we'll ask, we'll ask him about it after the break here in sports at Major League Baseball.
Christian Yelich had two home runs as the Brewers beat the Pittsburgh Pirates eight to five in a game interrupted by rain for nearly two hours last night for Yelich.
It was his.
11th multi-homer game of his career.
Joey Ortiz added his second home run of the season for the Brewers.
The series will continue tonight.
It's a four game series, game two coming up this evening.
And you can hear it across some of the stations of the Civic Media Radio Network.
Paul Skeens, the Pittsburgh ace versus Freddie Peralta.
Although Paul Skeens is, I mean, last year he was completely unhittable.
Where did this kid come from?
This year he's kind of
Falling back to earth a little bit, but so it'd be Paul Skeens versus Freddy Peralta a true pitchers duel Somebody's winning this game one to nothing is probably how this is going to go 505 tonight So if you love great pitching and I do this would be one of those games to expect across the civic media radio network
The NBA playoffs are going on as well.
The only thing we're following is somehow the Minnesota Timberwolves made it to the Western Conference Finals, but they are already down two games to none against Oklahoma City as that series continues to find out who goes into the NBA Finals.
Now,
One more thing I wanted to tell you over at UpNorthNewsWI.com.
So many stories there, including my latest on the House Republican budget plan that passed yesterday and all of the many ways that big, beautiful bill is not so beautiful for Wisconsin, the real impacts there.
Also on the website, everything you wanted to know about Bratz.
Yep, it's all about Bratz is to kick off the Memorial Day weekend as well.
So that much more coverage over at UpNorth News, WI.
Our Week in History, this weekend, our Week in Review panel is coming up next.
I get so excited to see them sometimes that I get ahead of myself.
From the heart of America's up north, live from Lake Wissota.
Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.
I'm Pat Critello and this is the Civic...
Greg, what did
I just do?
What did I do?
You said Civic... Wait, what?
I was... What time is it?
It's I was taught I was tossing
But hey guys, let's just get let's just get on the pontoon boat and float into the into the lake with soda We got like we got like more than 50 seconds Pat and I also there we go You're good.
You're all good, buddy.
I
thought you
said the wrong name of the show or like, you know called me Steve.
I'll be like, what are you doing?
No, as I'm talking, I'm like, I'm not hearing the music come up.
I'm just like, wait, wait a minute.
And right here, this is my first big, ever since I made this post-it note to tell me when the commercial breaks are, I have been practically perfect until now.
It's history.
Oh my God.
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Let's head over to the comment section here.
Tony writes on YouTube about Todd Alba doing a show from my back deck this afternoon from two to four with a guest appearance from Pat.
Are you going to lock him out there on the deck?
That's a great question, Tony.
and I'm not gonna answer for you right now.
Let's just see what Todd is like when he gets here.
But yeah, Todd Alba doing a show right here from Lake Wissota, two to four out on the back deck.
Maybe we'll get the grill going.
In the meantime, as Adam puts on YouTube, Week in Review is the best segment on all of civic media.
No kidding.
Look at this lineup right here.
Former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel and Chicago journalists Jennifer Scholesi and Mark Jacob.
How we doing, team?
weeks.
I know.
But Mark, you were traveling as well.
And Jim's got a full-time job just trying to track all of
the
legal cases that are out there.
So I think he needed a break.
But it's nice to have all of you here.
And yes, we do normally
start with news coverage of politics and things but Jim we'll get back to that in a second but I've got these two Chicago journalists.
I have to start with this one.
The Chicago Sun Times runs a summer reading list and says, let's, let's use AI, artificial intelligence.
And we've, we've been part of that debate.
Every newsroom I'm sure is debated.
How do you use AI?
And Mark, let's start with you because it came out and it turned out that what most or all of the summer reading book lists were phony that AI just like made stuff up for their summer reading list.
Is that right?
Yeah, but it
And
just to be really clear, this was a product of the Hearst Company, which sells it to individual newspapers, this kind of special section that they can put in.
the newspapers.
The problem was that it didn't say that.
And so the SunTimes kind of took the hit on it.
It was also in the Philadelphia Inquirer, by the way.
So it's not just a SunTimes problem, but it certainly is a SunTimes problem.
Because, you know, because, you know, what I used to tell my reporters that when I was an editor is that your product is not ink on paper.
It's not even a web page.
Your product is your credibility.
It's being trustworthy and it's hard to gain.
easy to lose.
Jennifer, did you literally bring one or two hands up to your forehead when you first heard about this like I think other people did or at least metaphorically?
So I saw it really early the morning that it was starting to light the internet on fire and I did everything I could to try to figure out if the posts that I was looking at were actually real because I could not believe it but
Like Mark, I did used to also work at the Chicago SunTimes, and I know that it and many newspapers across the country still rely on insert content from other providers.
And so I know that they've run this summer insert for years.
And I believe it's been created by the same, by Hearst all those years and they run others too.
Their entire medical health section is content from somebody else.
That's not unusual in today's newspaper business.
But as soon as people started saying, wait a second, these authors are real, but these books aren't.
I just started googling it myself and immediately the first one on the list is Isabella Lundy and she did not write this book.
But you know what I did when I got home because I was out when this happened?
I put the name of the book into Google and the exact same description came up on the AI that fuels Google that was in that book.
So you've got to ask yourself and I hope everybody does.
What is AI telling you and how much of it is wrong and for God's sakes people, scroll down to legitimate sources.
Yes, check everything.
Tony puts it really well from Ashland.
AI could write those books that don't exist.
So then they would exist.
I guess that's one way to look at it.
Right idea.
But unmonitored AI writes is never a good idea and it is not just journalism, Jim.
I know people are writing
you know, legal papers, decisions, reports, they're trying to get chat GPT to help them.
And discovering as I did, I tried this one time, I thought, let's do the this day in history thing.
And I asked for like celebrity birthdays and number one songs and everything for whatever the date was, you know, May 23.
Everything on the list was wrong.
It was completely made up, which tells you you have to know the parameters you're putting in to something with AI.
Because if you don't, Jim, I mean, this, this is only the beginning of AI nightmares for the legal profession as well.
It is, and not that there's great sympathy for lawyers out there who make the same mistakes that the Chicago and Philadelphia papers are making, but there are more than a few of them who've gotten in great trouble for citing cases in written briefs submitted to courts on substantive issues, real litigation, and it turns out that Santel v. Crite Law, in a particular appeals court in Wisconsin, never happened, and they cite it for particular
propositions of law, the judges and the law clerks look at and say, this is not real.
And the lawyers get in big trouble.
Basically, it's a violation of your oath.
It's no small deal.
No, and look, it's not going anywhere.
AI.
And so like every other new true toolmark, it's I don't think it's a matter of banning it, you know, whether it's teachers, law professors, editors, whatever.
But if this is going to be around, you got to get it right.
You just need to know how to use it.
To me, it's comparable to what I used to tell reporters about in Wikipedia, which is what I said is, great place to start, terrible place to finish.
That if you look at it for the references or to get a general idea of something, fine, then go do your reporting.
But if
And AIs are the same way.
I mean, I've suggested that people use it for
outlines for stories or if they don't know much about a subject and they just want a general.
description, get that, but check everything out.
I mean, it makes mistakes.
That's right.
We're just getting started.
Whether we can review panel also coming up yet, Kristen Lyrely, William Garcia, another check-in with the forecast for meteorologist Brittany Merlot.
And you can win tickets to next Tuesday's Brewer's Game.
We're picking one entry statewide.
Text the keyword radio on the Civic Media app.
More coming up after this on the Civic Media radio network.
Checking out some of the texts you're sending in here from Tom and New Berlin.
Pat, tomorrow going to place flags at Woods Memorial honoring our lost heroes at the cemetery there.
Thank you Tom for doing that and please represent all of us well as we take a moment to honor those whose sacrifice gave us the freedoms that we still enjoy to this day and must continue to defend, I would add.
From Carmela in Milwaukee asking, Pat, what time is the giveaway brewers game on Tuesday?
I should have said that.
It is an evening game.
640 will be the Brewers versus the Red Sox next Tuesday.
And so today's keyword is radio.
And folks on this show and across the Civic Media radio network, people who use the Civic Media app text in radio, one of those entries will get four free tickets to next Tuesday evening's game versus the Boston Red Sox.
Meanwhile, the Brewers tonight are in Pittsburgh game.
Two of that series coverage starts at 505 tonight.
Continuing on now with our panel, Mark Jacob, Jim Santel, Jennifer Schulze.
Jennifer, let's not spend a lot of time on this one, but let's make it said that the so-called crypto dinner that President Trump had last night where he hosted all these people who quite literally put money in his pocket and his family's pocket buying his phony crypto coins, even though corruption is done right out in the open,
this still may be from a dollar value, the most corrupt night in American politics.
Yes or no?
Okay.
And let's guess maybe a quarter of the country knows about it and maybe even fewer care.
I wish that news organizations, somebody somewhere would have like a ticker where they are keeping track of
all of these payoffs and the money that he's collecting while he's president.
It seems to me every day I read about somebody writing him a check.
And last night was the check of all checks.
It's just incredibly...
It's mind boggling.
I'm
speechless.
So Mark, why was American media this week not talking about that non-stop?
And why are we talking instead about a book about Joe Biden's health for a guy who's currently, last I checked, not the president of the United States?
Why are we talking about last year's story instead of the gigantic five alarm fire that's going on right in front of us?
Good question, Pat.
I have no idea.
I think that people, some people view crypto as a little hard to understand, but I mean, this is just a bribery is not hard to understand.
I mean, a real good example of the in the crypto dinner he had last night was this one Chinese born crypto mogul who had his, he was being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission and this case got put on hold in February, which means it's not canceled, but it's not going forward.
gave a ton of money to Trump to attend this dinner, which means he could bribery be any more clear what's going on.
I mean, it's just appalling and people need to understand it and the media need to help
him.
Right.
But instead, he continues to get away not just with the corruption, but with the illegal activities in office, Jim, which there have been just a flurry of rulings on that and court hearings.
And I mean,
Could you have possibly picked a better time to have a weekend radio show about about legal matters than what you've got right now?
What are this this week's include who the president can fire not fire what whether you can get rid of the Department of Education on and on it goes this week this
It is truly breathtaking and it is difficult.
I know all of us suffer from the same problem when you do any broadcast, which is the cutting room floor.
And on a regular basis, as we put our broadcast together, you identify 17 things and you think each one of these is shocking and stunning and needs to be talked about and you simply don't have enough time, much less breath to talk about all of them.
We've got again, just this past week, they fall under the category of things that federal district court judges are doing.
Yes, indeed, we've got a judge who stopped the Trump administration from dismantling the education departments, the district judge out of Massachusetts.
And likewise says that the record reveals that the defendant's true intention is to dismantle the Department of Education without statutory authority.
In other words, there's Congress said you can't do this and yet we're doing it.
That's one path of so many of them that we have seen recently.
And each one of them, each one of them affects human beings.
That's the point of this affects residents and citizens of our nation.
They're all critically important.
And we simply don't have enough time in anyone's 24 hours to keep up with all of it.
No, but again, it's important to to try because what we need are courts that consistently say to a president when they cross a certain line.
You can't do that, whether it's deporting people without due process or in the case of Harvard now saying Harvard can no longer accept international students.
Yeah, they can.
You can't do that as president.
But of course, it gums up the works until you can get a court to to say otherwise.
There was also a ruling with the Supreme Court, an interesting four four split decision that the the gist of it is that a Oklahoma cannot.
receive or give state funding to a Catholic religious virtual school.
Again, a case of you can't do that, but folks notice that conservative Justice Amy Comey Barrett recused herself from that case.
And she made that decision.
Good for her.
Take note, Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito, that there are those circumstances where maybe for an appearance of impropriety reason, you shouldn't be deciding these cases because you've got some affiliation with the parties.
Here she has some affiliation with some of the litigants in front of her, maybe based upon her time at Notre Dame, advised her to the school, that sort of thing.
Good for her to do that, but it does result in this four to four split.
And what that means is in the end, the lower court decision, which said, no, if you are religious charter school, you can't get government money's funds.
This is basic separation of church and state.
Congress will make no law establishing a religion, nor can the states.
So it's an affirmation just by virtue of the default here that the Constitution means something.
The side story in all this is who is the other person?
Again, this is another one of these unsigned orders.
The speculation is, it's mine as well, that it may have been the Chief Justice which would be stunning because he has been leading this effort to try to basically erase the separation between church and state, talking about discrimination against religion as opposed to entanglements of government and religion.
The upshot is that this case, again, for today is over and we've got a strong affirmation of that separation.
But it's going to come back in one shape or another, maybe in a term or two, we're not done with religious issues before the Supreme Court.
Let's switch gears, Mark, and talk about Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.
and
this
alleged examination into chronic diseases.
And again, we have a sense of the quackery that he is going to try to put out.
So let's look at it through the prism of whether whether
American media simply regurgitates it, plays stenographer, or gives it a more critical eye.
talk about the sickest generation in American history, you know, that the kids are all sick today and all this.
And I thought, well, you know, really?
I mean, is that based on anything?
And I went back and looked at child mortality rates, you know, and in 1800,
46% of children didn't make it to their fifth birthday.
It was 23 or 24% in 1900.
It's under 1% now.
So what is he talking about?
I mean, this is one of those things where, you know, it sounds good and the interesting thing is the New York Times rewrote their headline eventually.
They finally came up with the realization that this sickest generation in American history thing was just not true.
And so, so...
Finally, the New York Times decided not to put it in the headline, which is, you know, a real problem where, you know, the Trump people say something and the media just kind of go ahead and just swallow it whole and regurgitate it.
Well, and Jennifer, same to you, the critical eye that let's bring to the local media level as well that.
It used to be, frankly, it used to be if a president or a health and human services secretary said something, you could pretty well provide attribution and say, HHS secretary says such and such, but you really can't do that one degree of reporting anymore.
You really have to put a filter on it.
what they're saying
true right and and you'd think that everybody would get that that that this is an issue I mean come on We're in the second Trump administration.
We know how much he lies, but I am still astounded Like Mark was yesterday with that New York Times headline how frequently it still happens that there is no
fact-checking in context in these headlines and they just immediately splash out, Trump says, Kennedy says, and it would take you 30 seconds to know that what they're saying is not true.
You could write that in your headline.
Why is that not the automatic reaction to any of this news coverage?
I do not understand.
Is it because they're trying to do it so fast?
I don't think so.
But I don't know why it's terrible, whatever the reason.
It's terrible.
Well, there's a lot of.
I don't know.
I don't know if laziness is the right idea or the right word, not just for reporting, but Mark also for politicians, you have a Republican party that has always talked about it's their deficit hawks.
It's all about fiscal discipline.
And the thing that they passed yesterday morning, you know, the $1 trillion in cuts, but we want to give away so much in tax relief, we're going to add $3 to $4 trillion to the deficit.
Where is the howling other than from maybe
two or three members of the House and two or three members of the Senate.
I mean, they're throwing 40 years of Republican orthodoxy out the window.
I mean, you know, for decades, you've heard, you know, the tax and spend Democrats, you know, well, these are spend Republicans.
I mean, these are, they don't, you know, they don't tax rich people, you know, but they, but they happy to spend the money that they didn't take in.
And in the first Trump administration, this was
him boasting about having the best economy ever and all that crap.
And it was a pretty fairly decent economy for the first part of his term.
Yet they still ran a gigantic deficit.
You know, a quarter of the public debt was created by Trump in the first term.
And now they're doing it some more.
I mean, and when is the public and when will the media
just throw away the notion that the Republican Party wants to balance the budget.
They obviously don't.
They don't care about that.
They just care about...
rewarding their rich donors really
and
Right and that you know that gets us into messaging that Democrats have to do and that's that's fine that's their battle but I would like to at least see reporters you know and newsrooms making sure that there's this distinction between the rhetoric and the reality.
Time for one last thing and Jim I'll come to you on it this latest Supreme Court case on the schools and others
is continuing a troubling trend of coming through something called the shadow docket rather than the traditional way of issuing opinions.
What is it and why is it
problem.
It's a challenge for Americans who now have a Supreme Court that at breakneck speed is issuing decisions about major issues and they're not giving you the reasons why.
And it's a part of this shadow docket.
Yes, it's the emergency docket.
The notion is it's begun principally in Trump one.
It's always been out there, but really revved up this notion that we can't possibly live another day with an unfavorable ruling at the lower level.
Step in Supreme Court, overturn that, tell them they're wrong and we can get on with our lives.
And when you do that, you lose all of the debate, you lose the oral argument, you lose the lawyers and the American public loses because you don't know why a major branch of government is making decisions without.
clarity and without transparency.
All right, you can get more of that on amicus a law review live Saturday mornings nine to 11 on civic media stations around Wisconsin head to civic media dot us to learn more.
Mark Jacobs newsletters at stop the presses dot news and Jennifer shows he's in distinct chatter is at sub stack.
Look up at news Jennifer for that panel.
It's so great to be back.
You guys make it so fun to I actually want to come back from vacation for you guys.
I mean,
to a point.
Thank you.
We'll see you next week.
Dan
Schumacher is going to look at sports after this.
We'll be back.
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All right, welcome back.
It's a Friday morning.
It's May 23rd.
It's Memorial Day weekend and one of my favorite places to spend a holiday weekend like this would be heading upriver up the Chippewa here to the Mallard Resort where we tend to spend our time at the little pub there, but there's also some cabins there as well.
And that's where we find one Dan Schumacher who's joining us to talk a little bit about sports.
Uh, the man's kind of living the dream right there up, up there on the mallard.
Any other big plans for the weekend, sir?
Are you here?
I got a flat tire.
You got a flat tire.
right.
Well, that's a plan, uh, on the truck or
what?
Well, you know, better now than in the middle of it.
And you're going to Martell there in downtown Chippewa, which is, you know, yeah.
my favorite tire shop and take care of me for 30 years there.
Um, so, so yeah, but take care of that.
And then if you, you've got the boat in, right on the river.
Is your boat in?
at this guys, full of weekend plans here.
Okay.
Well, well, you know what?
We can
our first place cubs?
No.
Oh, Jesus.
Dan, we can't hear you.
You're fainting out
there.
There's to be a problem here.
Yeah.
Tony Nashlin says, fat tire is a good beer.
No, Tony.
We're talking about flat tire.
I don't think there's a proof for that.
Oh, look at that.
Dan's headed outside to the lovely mallard resort there where he's hanging out.
So your cubs are in first place.
Meanwhile for the brewers, Christian Yelich.
had his 11th multi-Homer game of his career, Homer twice to help the Brewers beat the Pirates eight to five in a game interrupted by Rain for nearly two hours last night, Joey Ortiz also had a home run his second of the season and the series continues with the game in Pittsburgh tonight with Pittsburgh ace Paul Skeens taking on Milwaukee ace Freddie Peralta 505 is when the pregame begins on Civic Media radio stations.
across the state.
So we've got that coming up.
What do you, you know what your Cubs are doing this weekend?
I don't
reminder.
Look, you got, you got to get these things in when you can, obviously.
So the Cubs are there now.
And look, you, Greg, you were the one who said when Craig council went over, don't underestimate Craig council.
I absolutely said that I stand by it and that's great.
But, um, well, at least they're still beating the Cardinals.
I mean, we all get together and be happy that the Cardinals are being denied any sort of happiness right now.
We can agree on that, Dan, right?
See, we
Yeah, unfortunately, I can't afford the $6,500 it costs to see that show.
Billy Strings, Trina Stasio Band, The Grateful Dead, and some other group I can't think of right now.
But it's for the total package that includes everything.
It's $6,500.
Yeah before they made announcements So I already booked a hotel for $107 a night.
Whoa Park um, I I I know that the tickets are gonna cost something so I didn't I can't buy tickets yet But I at least got my housing and then I booked the flight for $200 round trip Wow.
Wow.
It's it's amazing.
Yep.
Oh, wow.
See, it's good to have a little inside info there.
I mean, that's a fan.
That's fandom right there.
Oh, by the way, Dan, I don't think you've met Parker Olson yet.
Parker's joining the show family as well for helping to produce the show.
And Parker, when Dan joins us, it's ostensibly to talk about sports.
Somehow it always wanders into Grateful Dead, which I
don't
know nearly.
I just simply listen to them.
For
this
period every week and learn learn about your musical forefathers
or
something like that.
So when when again, when is this trip?
August
Yeah,
Just so I can
without the free.
Yeah, they charge a little bit more than they do.
Well, it's like earlier in the week, we played the Rolling Stones from 60 years ago this week.
They were on Shindig.
And
we
played a clip from that.
And I ask repeatedly on the show, and I say it again, who are we going to be talking about in, you know, not 60 years from now, but you know, 20, 30 years from now and say, I cannot believe.
they're still performing together the way that they are.
Or will they be?
Will bands simply not have the staying power that the ones do from, you know, the 60s and 70s?
We're celebrating the 60th anniversary of Weezer.
All
Yeah.
Yep.
Bob Dylan has a birthday tomorrow.
It turns 84 tomorrow.
You can say that again.
Yep.
Hey, before I forget again, for this hour, one more reminder, text the keyword radio to us through the Civic Media app.
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Dan, we've got Todd Alba doing a show from my back deck from two to four.
So feel free to come on by for that.
Otherwise, I will come looking for you upriver a little bit later on.
sounds
Hey, can I just make one statement?
Yeah.
So Friday, Friday, the Northland College closes.
So it's been pretty sad.
Graduation is this weekend.
My contract ended and whatnot.
So all the people I
And people in Ashland, the community, the alumni, the students, the faculty, the staff, it really was, it's really tough.
And I just, I appreciated my time and getting to know Ashland, Wisconsin.
It was a good adventure, two year adventure.
And back.
Good people.
Yep.
Dan, thank you for that.
And again, I'll get your beer for a little later on here.
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