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You're listening to mornings with Pat Crite low and now filling in for Pat Chad Holmes

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6 here on Friday morning May the 16th of 2025

I am Chad Holmes sitting in for Pat Crite Low today on mornings.

Great to be back last Friday and here this Friday.

Pat I think has one more day off after this on Monday, then he'll be back on Tuesday.

He has been off in Portugal than seeing some of the social media postings that he has been putting out.

So it looks like he's been having a wonderful time, but I'm sure everybody is ready for Pat Crite Low to return to the program.

But today we got a pretty nice lineup for you coming up a little bit later.

on in this hour at 6.34.

I'll be talking to a Marathon County Democratic Party Chair, Nancy Stencil.

I get a chance to talk to Nancy every other week about what's going on in the world of politics, locally, statewide, even nationally.

So we'll talk to Nancy Stencil coming up at 6.34.

Then in the second hour of the program, gonna be talking about an event that's coming up here in Wausau a week from tomorrow.

Next Saturday,

the 24th of May.

It'll be held here in downtown Wausau about a block away from our studios here at 98.9 WXCO at the 400 block.

It's called Wausau Unites in Love, remembering George Floyd.

I'm going to talk a little bit more about this during the course of the program, but also we're going to talk to one of the organizers of this event, Latanya Campbell.

And again, it's a very interesting event, but it's in the title talks about uniting.

There's been a few folks who are not uniting.

And I think that.

It's worth some further discussion as well, but we'll talk to Latanya Campbell coming up at 734 about that event, which is five years ago.

We're coming up on the fifth anniversary of the murder of George Floyd.

So again, I think it'll be a very interesting discussion.

We'll also be joined just after the top of the hour at seven and eight o'clock by our meteorologist.

We'll be talking to Brittany Merleau.

as yesterday boy it was a very active weather day in fact here in central wisconsin in marathon county i was doing some wall-to-wall coverage late yesterday afternoon into the evening and there was at least a half a dozen separate tornado warnings either in marathon county or in the county's uh

bordering on Marathon County plus there were severe thunderstorm warnings and more so we're gonna get a recap on any potential damage that occurred throughout the state of Wisconsin with these storms that came through yesterday and also look ahead towards the weekend in terms of plans if you have outdoor plans coming up this weekend and then

Finally, at 8.34 we'll be joined by our civic media sports reporter, Mike Clemens.

Talk about everything going on.

Packers have been having some off-season camps.

Of course, there's been those rumbles about Yanis and maybe being open to a move.

The brewers are just going sort of up and down.

They're hanging around the 500 mark a little bit under 500.

We'll talk about that as well.

So head into the weekend sports-wise with Mike Clemens coming up at 8.34 this morning.

And of course, we are joined by Greg Bach.

Greg, great to be back with you.

Great to be with you, Chad.

How are you doing this morning?

I

got to share a little story here, just in the last 10 to 15 minutes, actually, because I'm coming into work.

And normally at this hour, I am not a morning person.

I don't really know, honestly, and this is not, I don't know what you are, Chad, in the sense of you are

Working all the time, up late with stuff early in the morning.

I feel like you are a, like you're a night owl with morning bird tendencies.

I do find that I'm falling asleep a lot earlier because as I said yesterday, actually yesterday, I had a ball game and they actually moved it up because of the weather coming in very wise indeed.

They had a five o'clock game.

They moved it up to two o'clock.

So I did that game.

And then when I got back, all of a sudden the weather starts to roll in and we're on the air.

I'm passing along all the information and then by the time I get done with that I Kind of just lay around and then I fell asleep probably as early as I have in a very very long time It actually worked out because obviously I have to get ready to come in here this morning But even though I did get the bed early

It was weird because I wake up to my radio, and of course it's on 98.9 WXCO because I got to make sure we're on the air when I wake up every morning.

And there's a rerun of Nightlight with Pete Schwabba on the air.

And for whatever reason, I think it was with sleep patterns, you know it.

Sometimes it's real easy to wake up and other times you're caught in the middle of a deep sleep.

So I I wake up actually it was a little later than I thought it would be because I just I kind of it felt like I was having a dream that involved nightlight with Pete Schwabba, but no I was I was listening to it.

All of a sudden I get up and I start getting ready I get my take my shower and I'm running around a little bit more than I really wanted to.

So

then I'm driving in to work and I get here to downtown Wausau.

And there's an intersection, a couple, like a minute away from where we are.

And it goes across into the parking ramp where I park every morning.

And I get there, and there's a car right in front at the stop light.

It has a Texas license plate.

And we're sitting there.

And there's nobody else around.

And all of a sudden, it's like a minute goes by.

Another minute goes by.

And I think we're about to the third minute.

I think what's going on here?

Yeah, and I noticed he's a little bit further back and I think this is one of those lights with sensors overnight.

Yeah,

that's and and this guy is not moving and I'm kind of No, moving my arms a little bit.

I'm thinking move up a little bit move up a little bit And I'm I'm thinking I gotta get to work.

Greg Bach is waiting for me to get to work I'm gonna be late for work when I'm substituting for the great Pat Crite law and then finally and there's nobody

Nobody in this intersection.

Yeah, I'm saying I I'm going around the guy.

I'm just gonna

whoa I

Took the law into my own hands because I'm at the point where I think in We're not gonna ever move this guy is not moving I think it's a little common sense there that if that light where there's nobody around

I mean, I don't know how long that guy was there before I got there, but I mean, it's literally three minutes I'm sitting here and I'm thinking this is this is ridiculous So I went around and by the time I got just past his vehicle the light changes because that guy needed to move up about six inches

I'm sorry.

I went through it.

There was nobody around.

Okay.

I know it's probably, I did take the law into my own hands.

I

admit it's probably wrong, but I have to get the work.

Well,

I will.

Was I wrong in that, Greg?

I think you were,

well,

if, if you're okay, let's, let's put, I'll put it this way.

If your car assisted in making that light turn green so you could legally turn, I think you were fine.

I would say had you just blasted past and because that was what I was going to ask you is that I

slowly would buy I made sure everything was clear.

I mean, but it was I have no doubt I don't think it was coincidence that once I got past that line with there's a line obviously there that you're supposed to stop at.

He was behind this line.

And it was like, I'm thinking you're not you got to get there or else the lights never going to change.

And once I got past that line, the light changed.

And by the time actually I got to the intersection, it was already, uh, it was yellow on the other side.

We were so red.

So, so I know I'm, I'm getting very, very nitpicky there.

So I'm not saying that I went through a green light.

I still went through a red light.

Fortunately.

See now that's where, okay.

So it was red.

So, okay.

Cause that's what I was going to ask you.

That's what I was going to ask you.

That was, I was going to ask you.

I was going to ask you, but I suppose I was going to ask you, have you ever been at an intersection by yourself, like either early in the morning or late at night and it's red and you just.

You're like, you know what, I'm going.

Again, the only time I've ever done it, and I actually did it in that very same

light.

for some reason, it look it was like it was not working.

Yeah, because I'm used to it because every day I come here and I go I always stop at that light.

I mean, it's always there.

And one day it was and it's like a it's like a multi it's a kind of a weird kind of intersection.

It's like, well, it's not a normal intersection.

There's like an extra road in there.

Yeah.

And it has this rotation of these like three different

Directions that people go and usually I know exactly Every day I kind of I'm kind of inching forward because I know that my light is next But it would came in the rotation was off.

It was like it was going to the other two and it was not going there and it was it was literally six seven minutes

and

It was another situation where I decided to take things into my own hands because again It was like I got to get the work

Chad Holmes take charge man.

No, no, no, but it was like but

I was going to say normally when we come in here and you start things up, I'm sort of getting into it.

You know, it's like I'm still like half asleep.

I will say that that situation in itself.

got me going here this morning.

I feel alive

now.

So does that mean we might see spicy chats?

We

may well, we may well.

But I mean, it was like a case where I'm starting to get really annoyed there, because again, it was not a situation where it's like, oh, I got all day to get there.

I'm thinking, I got to get there now.

Greg's

waiting for me.

I mean, he's going to be wondering where the heck I am.

Did he remember that he's on today?

It's like, no, no, I have to get there.

But it's like, oh, I'm thinking of, I was

begging this guy.

Yeah, I mean, I almost got to the point where I put it in park and asked him to move up.

But I thought it's, I don't need to do that.

The guy's got a Texas license plate.

I have no

idea what this

guy's

from.

And as we know, you don't mess with Texas.

There you

go.

And their cars, they're in.

But there's the point.

That was my thought though as well, that maybe this, for whatever reason, I don't know how lights work in Texas.

I don't know if there's sensors at all in Texas, but I'm thinking.

just move up a little bit at least then my theory could be tested my theory being that he's not close enough to the intersection where the light sees that there's somebody there for it to turn I'm sure it was that but it was like it was really getting frustrating to me and I'm thinking are you gonna sit there literally all day long and wait for this light to change and then finally I had it I again it's it's before six in the morning there was literally nobody around

yeah

like it was

It was like, it was not a case where there was anybody going through these intersections.

I could see that, you know, everywhere that's coming.

But man, what a, what a kind of a way to start it.

Number one, I'm running late to the number two.

This light was never going to change.

Chad,

Chad, you're here.

I am

here.

You're here and you're safe and you're on the show and it's great.

So there we are.

That's the, I will

say it is a.

gorgeous morning.

I walked in the songbirds worse.

I mean, the song like lots of them are singing.

It was fantastic.

And we got a little bit of storm yesterday, but it didn't last very long.

And before we knew it, it was gone.

And like, we had the we had the thunderstorm morning tourney to watch, but just it was here and gone.

done.

And I was wondering about that, because I know here, I mean, there's a very long line went right up to the UP border, and it went down beyond Steven's point down further into south central Wisconsin.

And it was really something.

And I actually saw some pictures.

I'm curious because Brittany Merleau loves to chase these storms.

I've heard some stories about it and I'm curious to find out what she was doing last night and what she's found out because I know she researches that stuff.

I actually saw a few pictures of Funnel Clouds, actual Funnel Clouds here in the Central Wisconsin area.

I have not really heard of any significant damage at this point, but I'm sure Brittany will have that information.

But it was, and even yesterday during the afternoon when I was doing this game, the wind was amazing.

I mean, it was so windy.

You could just feel these storms coming in and you were talking around.

at the ballpark and it's like, yeah, it's coming.

It's going to be something really big and it really was.

I can't remember a time where I've been on the air and something I'll maybe touch on later on as well, maybe with Brittany, there was been talk about how the National Weather Service being privatized.

It's amazing how I used them last night.

I was on the air for about 90 minutes straight because we have a policy here.

We've done it at XTO where if there is a tornado warning, you go wall to wall.

So people can tune in and make sure we're

giving the

information that you need.

And without the National Weather Service, I mean, I was so wonderful for me.

I made, I got about 18 different windows up to keep it, all these different storms.

But man, you cannot have the National Weather Service go privatize or go away.

It has to be out there for everybody.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I am Chad Holmes sitting in today for Pat Krightlow, who's off.

in Europe, often Portugal, along with Brakeback.

We're going to come back.

I got an interesting story.

We've heard about the Transports.

We're going to talk about that coming up next here on Stevia.

The walkthrough after this morning has had great low on the terrific media radio network.

The time is 22 here on this Friday morning.

Hopefully everything off to a wonderful start wherever you may be.

I am Chad Holmes.

I am in North Central Wisconsin, live from our downtown Wausau Studios of 98.9 WXCO.

Looking out with a lot of road construction.

I mean the roads are completely tore up around here.

In fact, during much of the day,

You'll be able to hear if I was on the air right now with some of the construction You could actually hear the construction and our building shakes from time to time So a quiet start the workers are just getting underway outside But hopefully again, it's a beautiful morning where you are right now.

I look outside Lots of blue skies.

The Sun is rising and hopefully

it'll be a

wonderful day and Greg

Sometimes when we have some of these what call hot-button issues it can make you mad it could be negative I came across really I think a heartwarming story a story that says a lot about

some young people and And I'm very fortunate I get a chance to be around a lot of young people with my cover to high school sports and I I get a little annoyed when people talk about well, they're not what they used to be or you know

These

are terrific young people and I came across a story out of the state of Maine and of course we've heard a lot about trans athletes and Way more than maybe the numbers really

should indicate that it should be in terms of the level of discussion in different areas of the country, in fact, all the country.

We've heard about it here in the state of Wisconsin, and we've heard about it nationally and really all over the country.

But I came across a story here that warms my heart, to be honest with you.

And

you know, it takes a lot to warm

my heart.

We're not going to get spicy this early.

So

I

want to I want to be a heartwarming start here.

And it occurred in the state of Maine.

And there's a freshman track athlete in Maine named Annalise Feldman.

She is a freshman from Yarmouth High School in Maine.

And she sent a letter to the editor of her local newspaper because her local state representative

started talking about this race she was in where she finished second to a trans athlete and The state representative named Laurel Libby and I want to read this letter to the editor from Annalise Feldman this freshman again freshman in high school She wrote representative Laurel Libby Republican of Auburn

Recently used my second place finish in the 1600-meter run and that of my teammate in the 800-meter run to malign Soren Stark Chesa, the trans-identified athlete who finished first.

One of the reasons I chose to run cross-country and track is the community.

Teammates cheering each other on, athletes from different schools coming together, and the fact that personal improvement is valued as much as, if not more than, the place we finish.

Last Friday, I ran the fastest 1600 meter race I have ever run in middle school or high school track and earned varsity status by my school standards.

I am extremely proud of the effort I put into the race and the time that I achieved.

The fact that someone else finished in front of me didn't diminish the happiness I felt after finishing that race.

I don't feel like first place was taken for me.

Instead, I feel like

A happy day was turned ugly by a bully who is using children to make political points.

We are all just kids trying to make our way through high school.

Participating in sports is the highlight of high school for some kids.

No one was harmed by Soren's participation in the girls' track being.

But we all are harmed by the

Heatful rhetoric of the bullies like representative Libby who want to take sports away from kids just because of who they are And that was Annalise Feldman freshman that yarmulke high school and

I gotta say I get

emotional reading that I I I mean in this era Where we see way too much Just hatred yeah, and trying to score points through

Cutting down others.

I Mean as good as obviously a track athlete this young lady is That that letter to the editor is as good as against

well, and I think the other thing that's pointed out too is that she says That this state elected official was using her second place

Victory was it's a victory.

She got second place.

That's great.

It's faster than I can run personal best without without Contacting her without consulting her without thinking about it.

She said well what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna use this for my own personal platform regardless of what this young lady feels for her achievement that day or how it affects anybody and

She stood up and said, no, you don't get to use me.

I don't support you.

I don't support this.

And don't take my great day and make it seem like it's all of a sudden been nefariously stolen from me.

And that's what a lot of these people who want to rail against the less than 10 trans athletes in the NCAA do.

They find ways to use other people's achievements as the fodder for their.

Ridiculous

arguments.

They try to make these young people victims of a crime.

That's how they make that's how they try to frame it.

That somehow they are the victim of a crime by this person.

Yeah.

And it's horrible.

Yeah.

We are all human beings.

And actually, when we talk later in the show about the, uh, the.

The rally that's coming up here in wasa.

That's one of the topics that we're gonna have that people are trying to point out.

Well, George Floyd was some sort of criminal like he then deserved to be killed.

Yeah, I

guess people are realizing that hey, we're all human beings.

Yeah,

absolutely.

Absolutely couldn't

agree more.

We all deserve this respect of being a human being and the way that some people are using human beings as these pawns in their

Games it's infuriating.

Yeah, we're gonna come back.

We're gonna have an information update If I'm not mistaken, we're gonna have the farm report, correct?

I think coming up and then we're gonna come back and talk to Nancy Stencil here on mornings with packed right law I am Chad Holmes on 98.9 wxco and the civic media radio network

Wausau.

Very happy to be sitting in today for Pat.

He'll be back next Tuesday, I believe.

So again, not too much longer till the return of Pat Crite Lowell.

And yesterday, I had an opportunity to speak to the chairperson of the Marathon County Democratic Party, Nancy Stencil, and started off by saying good morning, Nancy.

Hey, good morning.

Well, let's go right into it because there's a number of things I want to talk about here this morning.

And I was thinking kind of, you know,

big picture, because obviously you can get caught up in so many of the individual pieces of corruption and everything else

going on right now.

But as we look forward, and obviously you're somebody that has been part of campaigns, you've run in campaigns, you've helped run campaigns, as we look forward, I was thinking about back, and again, people don't even care about history anymore, but I was thinking back, I know, almost 50 years ago in Post Watergate, a guy named Jimmy Carter, who was unknown,

At this point in the cycle, he had been

virtually unknown.

But he was a guy that was able to say, I will not lie to you.

I will be truthful.

I will bring back a sense of ethics.

And I was thinking, compared to today, Richard Nixon was a good government conservative.

I often think back to that.

Something to come up and I'll think.

gosh we thought Nixon was bad but yeah Jimmy Carter was I mean he was he just he he lived his values he showed you know how to be a good person I mean he continued to all the way up to the end and I was gonna ask

yeah but I was gonna ask you as somebody in your role as the chairperson of the party as somebody that it leads the the Democrats in the 7th congressional district do you think that as we move forward into 2026 as you'd start to

get candidates for local races, for statewide races, that we are going to see maybe candidates that say, hey, this ain't who we are.

We need to bring back good government.

Wisconsin has been known, I think, for generations until, I think, the Walker Revolution as a place of good government.

Do you think that it's possible that we could see a Jimmy Carter-like figure, whether locally, statewide, or even nationally, in the future?

I do.

I really do.

I think we're going to see, I don't know, things seem to have to get just so bad before they go back to the good.

But I think more and more people are seeing their fed up.

Look at how they're coming out in the streets for every rally and protest that's been out there.

And they want to see everybody taken care of.

And I wouldn't say it from one extreme to the next.

They want to see just good government.

Somebody who cares.

And I was saying to you as we were sitting and waiting to come on the air about how we are seeing with the way that Trump and the Republicans are running government the idea that it's all the Safeties are being taken away

all the all of

these cuts whether it's in health care whether it's in

air traffic controllers, whether it's in regulations of the food industry.

I think that they're basically saying we don't need these people to oversee these different areas.

We are getting into a very dangerous area in that respect as well.

And it's going to double back on us.

For anybody who listened to Francesca Hong that was just on with Matt.

child care for one and like you know your CNAs that are taking care of the elderly these are like extremely important positions and yet we treat them with the most disrespect like it's really not a job and I think it's gonna affect our economy going down the road you know how are people going to work if they don't have say child care

They aren't gonna work if they don't they're gonna have to stay home aren't they exactly and just everything just seems right now like it's going to Whatever you can make a dollar at and and that's I think what Trump is largely he's in it for himself.

He's not in it for us.

What about this week because I the visuals

And I said to you, I got so upset when I saw him with the Saudi prince who

killed

Khashoggi.

I agree.

I mean, you talk about where we have been, and I will say...

Republican presidents and Democratic presidents.

At least, you know, we had a line.

I think that was...

That you didn't cross.

That you didn't

cross

no matter

what your political beliefs

are.

He doesn't care.

He doesn't does whatever he wants.

And he's there yucking it up with this guy, and he's going over there and basically trying to shake down these rich people for a personal, for personal gain.

And

then you're getting reports about, oh, and this just opens things up.

Like, suddenly, he appeared in a country is now safe again.

and

follow the money.

And again, I just think that morality is important.

Extremely.

And somehow it is slipping away.

In fact, I think last week I came across a story talking about how in Great Britain...

Because, you know, different countries have different ways you have to kind of put in the information when it comes to business.

And

the Trump Organization put in, in a filing in Great Britain, that Donald Trump is the person that still runs the Trump Organization.

He keeps saying here in the United States that he has...

has put it into a trust that his children are running it and

he has

nothing to do with it.

None of the things that he does affects what is being done with the Trump Organization.

Well, the lie was put to bed.

because they had to file and they said Donald Trump is the person.

And I saw a funny thing in the onion, the onion social media.

And it

said, it

had a picture of Jimmy Carter and said, I had to sell

my peanut farm

when I became president.

And you have this guy who literally has just shredded, not just the constitution, but the whole idea of the vestiture.

Of being clean and having a separation.

You said it to me out there as well.

We are seeing people that are coming out for these rallies.

Yes.

I still worry that it's not getting as deeply into the bloodstream as it should be.

Are you optimistic that it's going to continue to build?

Yes, I am.

I think there continues to be a divide, especially if you look on social media.

It's awful.

But along with it,

Lot of us have been talking where we want to make sure people have an action Don't just come and yell and then you go home.

You feel good.

Yeah You need to then reach out to these public officials Write them letters constantly calling them whatever keep holding them accountable

I am Chad Holmes, again, joined by Marathon County Democratic Party Chair Nancy Stenzo.

Nancy, obviously, going into the next couple of months, one of the things that people have to focus on, because I've said it so many times, I know you believe it as well, is priorities and budgets go together.

What are our priorities?

You can see them in a budget.

And obviously, it's budget time.

You were part of the public hearing, giving

your

thoughts on issues.

What do we do now?

It's sad.

There was so many people there with just really heartfelt things to say.

I mean, everything from special education to nursing homes, to the Medicaid, just a host of things.

And then you turn around and you see Governor Evers come out with a good budget.

and over 600 items are yanked out of it?

Is there anybody out there that cares?

That is the bottom line.

And I think when we talk about not just this issue, but all issues.

the negativity and by the very people that's going to affect the most.

And the thing about it, though, is if you don't do anything, then it's so easy for these folks to kind of steamroll it.

Yes.

And until it gets so bad, how do you roll it back then?

And that brings me to the question.

I really don't know what the answer is, and maybe you have some ideas being closer to it is, how do we

get those 600 different items that also often the GOP says are dead on arrival but are very important when you talk about again issues of education and child care and the environment and so many different issues that are so important to the average everyday Wisconsinite.

One of the things that is very frustrating is so many of these issues are put through the lens of the very wealthy.

And we talk about it as well, because obviously the tax policy and everything else, it all goes together.

But so much is through that lens of, well, tax cuts for the rich, and we even talk about it.

But boy, the lens has to be on the 95%

people.

On the average person and the story that they tell.

because it's something we can all identify with and those stories are so powerful and people need to just keep getting out there and telling that story.

get it out or get it heard.

I saw a story yesterday.

It was talking about, you know, discussions in Washington when it comes to Medicare, Medicaid, budgets and everything else.

And one of the aspects that was talked about is that one thing that beyond that that really helped in the last number of years, the average workers wages did go up significantly during

the last administration, and we don't hear about that.

No, we don't.

We don't hear those important things.

And it made me think, and maybe again, maybe I'm being too simplistic here, maybe I'm being too dumb about it.

The idea that if these Republicans are so gung-ho on trying to cut some of these government programs, one way to do it is to make sure a lot more people have a living wage.

Yes.

I mean, that would be the easiest way.

I was thinking in terms of you want to cut budgets in...

Washington or Madison, just make sure that people have a living wage and then you don't have quite the need for some

of these programs.

Exactly, yeah.

You're taking away every safety net they possibly have, and then you just leave them sit there.

What are they supposed to do?

And things like, you know, healthcare too, it shouldn't be such a...

for profit industry.

You work your whole life and then you

lose everything.

We were talking, I was mentioning to you about how in the past, or network news divisions, they used to not be a profit center.

They were there as part of the public

interest.

Right, you turned it on and you felt that what you heard was these people did their job to find out what was going on in your community and reported it to you.

But that's very similar to what you just said.

My thought is healthcare should not be

thought of in the profit

realm as well.

Everything lately is thought of, and I blame Republicans for this, is thought of profit.

If you can't make a profit at it, you're not going to do it.

Yeah, you're literally right on that.

Because even when you think about everything,

I saw a

commentary from the right wing guy that runs WSU.

Talking about public broadcasting and PBS and why

are they trying to get rid of it?

And the whole thing is well, why don't they take that Elmo money?

I mean everything being profit and loss there are some aspects of life

That should not be profit

and loss.

Exactly, exactly.

But

unfortunately, it does feel like everything is.

And maybe kind of circling back to where we started.

The way that we talk to the people,

the

candidates in the future.

Yes.

I mean, I do think that there are openings that people

if you say to them not everything has to be profit and loss or or use the idea of hey you want to have less money going into some of these programs well hey then just make sure that people are getting enough in their 40 hour work week in order to be able to

feed their family, have good health care,

one way or the other.

Those are the stories that don't get out there.

You know, be it by, you know, news outlets or what, but you look in a lot of different countries, how I think France is one of them that really has invested in like, you know, their child care and how that all works and the success rate they've had with it.

No, you're exactly right.

So again, that's...

The thing about it is I think again with something that you try to work on and that we try to keep an eye on is trying to make people are aware of so much but there is so much right now

I think people turn everything off because they just can't deal with that much coming at them all the time

Guess the final point is what do because I want I kind of got off target there as we get into the next few months How can we affect the budget?

What do you want the governor to do?

I do should he veto a whole budget should he should he

fight even harder.

I know he fights hard.

He fights hard right now.

But at the same time.

He's gonna have to fight.

We're gonna have to fight.

Get in that fight with him and and tell your stories.

Say why.

Get it out.

Be engaged.

To other people.

Be engaged is probably the biggest thing.

I'm happy you show up for all the rallies and the protests and there is another one next week front of Tom Tiffany's office and stay tuned and

Watch Facebook and whatnot for more details on that.

That's Nancy Stencil.

We'll have more coming up.

It's morning with Pat Krightlow on the Civic Media Radio Network.

It is morning to pack right low here on the terrific media radio network.

I'm Chad Holmson.

There's Crosby Hills, Nash and Youngest as we heard our daily history lesson.

Back on this date, May the 16th of 1970.

So you're going back

Whoa 55 years, I should know that I was born in 70 why do I have to think about that?

Maybe because I don't want to think about that but this date in 1970 CSN and Y scored their first number one album with a job Woodstock on that album teacher children really really The harmonies

Love harmonies.

I do I agree with that.

I mean the bands that have the harmonies.

There's something that is so very special about that and Again, what an interesting group of guys obviously they've had their ups and their downs over the careers and obviously the Crosby has passed on but Neil Young what an amazing career he just keeps on to going and a going and Absolutely, what's the more interesting tidbits here on our history lesson, but

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Yeah, some other quick tidbits concerning our daily history lesson 1980 on this date Paul McCartney released his second self-recorded album named McCartney to it's

Name McCartney to because like his solo debut McCartney in 1970 he plays all the instruments on the albums himself in fact the first McCartney album came just after the Beatles broke up and then in 1980 for McCartney to Wings was on the verge of breaking up and

I

gotta say when I was thinking about when I saw this McCartney Been around from what 60 65 years in terms of the music business.

Yeah

Everybody has their little dips, but boy Consistently he has been great.

I mean even late in his career because everybody still loves the Beatles stuff the wing stuff Yeah, some of the stuff it's hard for a legacy act to put out new music But when he does put out new music, it's really good stuff.

I

mean the guy never settles He tries to stay on top of things that I just think what he has been able to accomplish Incredibly incredibly good.

Well, this is one of the tracks

Go on.

No, I'm gonna say what we're gonna say is great.

I was gonna say one of the tracks from that album is the hit coming up.

So it's just got a good fun beat.

It's a tow tapper.

Yeah.

Good for the morning.

Yeah.

It's good driving music.

You're like, yeah, I don't mind if the light doesn't go green.

I want to listen to this tune.

Exactly.

And then finally I wanted to mention real quickly because this school takes me back to high school.

You two are the states in 1987 that is the first number one hit to the United States with or without you for the Joshua Tree.

Oh my god, the song.

This takes me back to high school, I tell ya.

Oh, I mean Joshua tree does hit hit after hit that really really good.

Hey, we got a couple more hours to go With you until 9 a.m.

Next hour of Britain were low.

We're talking a lot about that weather that we had yesterday We'll have that coming up after an information update coming up

Live from Wisconsin across the Civic Media Radio Network, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Critello, filling in for Pat, Mr. Chad Holmes.

Good morning, everyone.

It is 7.06 on this Friday morning.

the 16th day of May of 2025.

And I am live from our Wausau Studios of 98.9 WXEL, corner of Washington Street in North Thurston.

I'm looking outside.

Number one, it's beautiful.

Lots of blue skies.

But number two, it's a lot of construction.

Roads are completely tore up from all around me as I look outside.

But great Friday morning.

Hopefully your day is off to a terrific start with Greg Bach.

I am Chad Holmes and

Sitting in for Pat right low patch should be back on Tuesday I say should be because he'd never know what trap travel coming back Europe So hopefully everything will go smooth for Pat and his wife as they return back to Western, Wisconsin But last night It was an active weather evening in fact as I mentioned earlier we had Wall to wall coverage with tornado warnings.

I think there was at least half a dozen

that were around the Central Wisconsin area.

Different tornado warnings that we talked about into the early evening.

And I know one person that just loves to keep an eye and in fact, Chase the Storms is our Civic Media Meteorologist, Brittany Berlow.

Brittany's joining us right now.

Brittany, good morning.

Good morning.

Wow, I felt like I could have seen a tornado out of my window yesterday.

I didn't even have to chase.

There were so many tornado warnings.

And I know that all of the National Weather Service different offices are going out today.

Some of them are already there on location to survey that damage.

I mean, we had National Weather Service Twin Cities.

They're going to be in St.

Croix County this morning looking at Roberts where there is a tornado reported and seen on the ground.

There's even photo and video.

Altoona, they got massive hail stones the size of softballs.

Oh my God.

Yeah, like pause and think about that.

That's bigger than an apple.

That is crazy.

Wind shields are smashed out these pictures.

The hailstones look like little spikes and stars.

I had never seen one that big in person before.

So scary, scary stuff.

You mentioned the National Weather Service and I got to give a big shout out to them because last night again, I was on the air for well over an hour straight because we do wall-to-wall covers during these tornado warnings.

and boy the information that you get that i'm able to pass along to the listeners i know there's been you know talk about you know privatizing and and and losing funding boy what it's a public service and there are some areas that should not be

profit loss based, it should be about serving the public.

And I just give a big salute to the National Weather Service for the work that they did in order to help us keep the people safe during very, very dangerous situations.

Yes, Chad.

Thank you so much for saying that because they are working 24 seven around the clock looking at these conditions, forecasting it, now casting it, putting out those warnings, keeping us safe.

I mean, I can't even count how many were active.

one time.

I know that the Wausau area just itself had about eight or nine tornado warnings just circling in at us at one time.

So they were busy.

I mean, we've got offices in the Twin Cities, which, you know, is going to cover St.

Croix County in that northwestern part.

We've also got National Weather Service in La Crosse.

They're going to be in Clark County this morning looking at loyal Colby areas for possible tornado Portage County as well.

Then we've also got National Weather Service in Green Bay.

who's going to be in Marathon County looking at Rib Falls area, possibly Cronin wetter.

And then we also have National Weather Service in Milwaukee, who's going to be in Juneau this morning, where there's damage of roofs being ripped off, Mayville, also the southeast side of town not looking so good, damaged buildings.

I mean, we have all of these offices, it sounds like a lot, but now they're short staffed.

Now they're helping each other out.

Now I'm watching them.

Oh, you know, Milwaukee is going to be helping Green Bay.

And now, you know, the Twin Cities is going to be helping the Cross out.

And, you know, they've always have, but now it's harder on them.

And we're just getting started with severe weather season and they're going to burn out eventually.

This is a lot.

Real quickly, we have Rob over in Tigerton.

Good morning from Tigerton.

It's sunny and 56 degrees.

We got a quarter inch of rain.

We luck out with no storm damage, just branches down.

When I was mowing lawns yesterday, you could feel a storm is coming and I agree with that.

He also said that cellcom is still down, can't make phone calls, get emergency services, but appreciate the meteorologists like Brittany for the hard work they do keeping the people up to date on the severe weather.

And I agree with the way that it felt yesterday afternoon.

I was saying to Greg in the last hour that I was doing a ball game yesterday afternoon.

They moved it up because.

very smartly they realized that uh in the late afternoon where the game wasn't supposed to be played that is when the severe weather was moving through but even during the day between it was like two to three p.m the wind was just blowing so hard you could just feel it coming couldn't you yesterday

oh you could first it was that mugginess it was kind of a stillness in the air then you could feel the breeze as those storms were rolling in it it felt

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just like a disaster.

Damage was going to come.

You could tell.

And there's always that look and feel when you go outside.

There's a color to the sky and a feeling.

And the air seems different.

It's not different.

It's

air.

But there's just a feeling.

And I was watching it get dark.

I mean, it was so dark by my house by 630.

And the only thing I was happy about is that, well, I was happy that our fence didn't blow away because it was going, rocking back and forth.

And also my dog seemed to enjoy it.

Or I shouldn't

say enjoy it

as much as she just wasn't bothered by it.

Wow.

I think your dog has a spirit of Brittany Merleau.

Maybe

you're

chasing.

Oh, did you see those green skies too in Northwest Wisconsin?

That was so eerie.

I hate that.

And you know, something big is happening when those skies turn green or at least the big hail because that reflection off that hail usually makes them green.

That's

amazing.

Isn't it nice then afterwards to have a morning like this though?

Where it flows

all through and then you look outside and it just feels like it feels like the air has been cleansed.

It was much needed rain.

I know that we did need rain, right?

Yes, that

helped a lot.

That helped a lot.

I mean we got anywhere from a quarter of an inch to an inch and a half in some places.

Yes, there was some flooding concerns yesterday too.

But we needed that rain that should help the fire danger lessen it and stuff.

And we've got more rain headed our way today.

It's going to be moving in by this afternoon, pushing into the western areas, probably around lunchtime or so, and then going off to the east.

And as it moves east, it could start to strengthen a little bit.

And we're not going to see anything like yesterday, but we could see some larger sized hail.

Not the softball sized hail, don't worry about that.

But you know, on the larger sides, quarter size or so.

And that's going to be kind of towards the Fox Valley and towards Milwaukee when it hits towards Lake Michigan.

They'll get a little on the stronger side of things.

So that'll be this evening.

And then after that, we really cool down.

Heist today are going to be in the low sixties far northwest to the low eighties far southeast.

But tomorrow.

We're going to be in the mid 40s north to the mid 50s south.

Some of us will scrape about 60.

Yeah.

And that kind of holds the same temperature for Sunday.

We get just a few degrees warmer on Monday.

And then you're talking about Pat coming back on Tuesday.

Well, we're looking at another soaker headed our way Tuesday.

So we'll see if he actually makes it back in or not.

Maybe he'll be here Wednesday, but more rain that we need.

All right, we'll get more details on the weekend forecast as we get into the next week when you join us again in about an hour's time.

But again, man, I imagine you were just swamped last night.

I mean, because even I was trying to keep up with all of it.

I can only imagine what the information you were trying to bring in last night.

It must have been pretty intense.

It's a rush.

It's a lot to keep track of all at once when there's so many.

going on at the same time, but you know, we made it through.

We've got this and you know, the communities really come together.

The ones that are damaged, they're going to come together and others are going to help and we'll be here.

We got you.

We also have another message from Rob saying the media did really excellent job in severe weather coverage and no Tony, no one's dissing your Northwest Wisconsin.

Just

take a

breath.

I love Northwest Wisconsin.

You

love all of

Wisconsin, though.

I know.

But the Northwoods and Northwest.

Oh, no, I know.

You talk

about what I don't like.

I don't like butternut.

Butternut.

I'm just kidding.

I've never been there at all.

G R E G B A C H

at

civicmedia.gov.

Thank you.

Hey, Brittany, we'll talk to you a little bit later on.

Sounds good.

See you soon.

That's our britney merleau joins us uh both at the top of the seven and then again at the top of the eight o'clock hour gotta mention um rob He had another comment.

I remember this game the chester markle game Because we talked about the paul mccartney and start me up.

He says start me up was the uh, that was it was that was the paul it was uh coming up was the

coming up is yeah coming up is the song

I see.

Yes.

It was not start me up.

It's coming up.

Start me up as the Rolling Stones.

Exactly.

From that to you.

But the bumper music song on the NFL on CBS back in 1980, I thought of Chester Markle game winning touchdown versus the Bears on opening day and overtime scored on his field goal getting blocked.

Are you familiar with the Chester Markle game, Greg?

No.

Is that before your time?

Well, I was not even three years old, but even still, I didn't know.

But it was it was in overtime the Packers were playing the Bears in overtime It was it was back in the days where the pack was struggling and it was one of those games where it's six to six in overtime It was just a log and the Packers drive and they're gonna try to game-winning field goal And then the Bears block it but the ball goes right back into the arms of Chester Markle And he grabs it he goes left end into the end zone for a touchdown the kicker

Grab the ball and he ran around and and it was just it was craziness at Lambeau Field.

I I still remember that game I was a young guy back then so Robber remembering that one and also I I'm sorry I missed the comment early on when we were talking about the the young lady in Maine

was second and had her best ever 1600 run.

Cassandra Schultz made the point, this is exactly the point I try to make with people.

These kids don't care if you are trans.

They are all just trying to get through life together.

They're more worried about being shot dead in class.

But again, I think the kids, they realize what it is.

And I love the fact that she called out an adult, a state representative, basically trying to use her as a prop within her little

political point that was being made.

So again, I thought that was a wonderful story that we were able to talk about back earlier in the program.

So again, lots going on this morning.

Want to remind folks again, it is a free ticket Friday.

It's a statewide text-to-win contest.

And again, if you have not already done so, get that Civic Media app out and text gold, G-O-L-D.

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And then you'll have a chance to win four tickets to see the Brewers at American Family Field on Wednesday, June the 21st against Baltimore as the Baltimore Orioles will be coming to Milwaukee.

And again, if you haven't been to a game at American Family Field, it's just a wonderful night, summer night.

It's a great worry about water either.

No, and it's a great stadium too.

It's a great ballpark.

I love going there.

It's so much fun.

All the seats are great.

And honestly, compared to the cities, the food and drinks aren't that bad and aren't that expensive, but they're still expensive because I'm $10 for a high life.

Come on now.

But I don't.

And I chat.

I haven't gotten to a single game yet.

And I'm really I need I need to go.

I need to go.

I might even try to see if there's a double header.

I just need a double dose of baseball in my life.

the brewers need you too.

It's sort of kind of, you know, it just hasn't been, they're not even get some momentum right now.

It feels like almost every series, they're losing two out of three.

I mean, just on that and

getting getting crushed in those getting crushed in some of those.

I mean, it's still early obviously with sort of Nela 16th and there's still plenty of time but it just feels like they're having a hard time getting any

kind of

good mojo going and and maybe that's what they need.

They need Greg Bach.

That's right.

I heard Pat Murphy saying, where's that Bach kid?

Get him in.

Get him here.

Coming up.

I got this story.

I got to share with Kristi Noem.

We're going to do that coming up in about three minutes time.

But you're going to love this one, folks.

So you're going to love this one, Greg.

But I am Chad Holmes.

It is mornings with Pat Crightlow.

Glad to be with you on this Friday morning on the Civic Media Radio Network.

And welcome back, it is mornings with Act Right Low on the Civic Media radio network.

I am Chad Holm sitting in today for the aforementioned Pat Krightlo.

As Pat is on vacation this week, but joined by Greg Bach and thrilled to be with you here.

I start off this Friday morning, as I said, a beautiful Friday, at least here in downtown Wausau.

I am at the Wausau Studios of 98.9 WXCO.

Coming up a little bit later on in this hour, gonna have a conversation with Latanya Campbell.

She's one of the organizers of an event that's coming up a week

from tomorrow.

Next Saturday, here in downtown Wasa, about a block away from our studios, the 400 block, a great area to hold these kind of events.

It's called Wasa Unites and Love, Remembering George Floyd.

It's more than just a George Floyd event.

It's about other communities that are, I think, getting caught under a lot of weight in our area, in our state.

We're gonna talk about the issues around

It around that are going to be talked about during that the special event for Latanya Campbell coming up at 7 34 this morning And then in the second hour will be joined by I should say the third hour will be joined by civic media sports reporter Mike Clements talk about Yanis the Brewers The Packers and a whole bunch more that's coming up at 8 34 but Greg I Have a story that I wouldn't believe except that I

believe everything these days because that's the way that's the way things are going here in this country.

But I'm sure you're familiar with Kristi Noll.

Oh, a friend of dogs.

South Dakota governor, former, you know, lady who loves a selfie in front of, you know, prisoners.

I

know

that lady.

But I saw a story last night when I when I got home after all the severe weather coverage was done.

I'm just you know scrolling along trying to find you know interesting stories to share with you and with the listeners here this morning and On the daily beast calm they had a story that Christie gnome has been working with the producer of duck dynasty to pitch a reality TV show And this one is just mind-boggling titled quote the American end quote

I would ask you to guess but I'm gonna I'm just gonna share it because this is just insanity at its craziest The American would be a show where immigrants will compete in a string of challenges across the country For the honor of fast-tracking their way to US citizenship.

Oh, no, no, no This is a real thing that could happen and the thing about it The first thing that came to my mind

is, again, these folks within the Trump administration, people like Kristi Noem, treat people like they are props in their lives.

Yes.

They're set dressing.

They're set dressing.

That's all they are.

I mean,

where is bottom here?

I don't know where bottom is because

They, I mean, you know what reminds me of you?

I'm sure you've seen the movie The Running Man, right?

Oh, yeah, I love that

movie.

They're remaking it.

Oh, they are.

Don't remake it.

You know, real fast.

You know what movie should be remade?

The bad movies.

That's the good movies.

Remake the bad movies.

Make them better.

Don't take a movie that's already good and do it again.

That's my theory.

But you know, in The Running Man, basically, they were giving these people that were in jail.

An opportunity to win their way out.

Yep.

I mean that that was like a fantasy sci-fi movie And now you got people like Christy Gnome Using and and in that movie they treated the people the contestants in the running man again props props in Richard Dawson's evil mind.

Yeah,

and and and Let's get to the basics here.

Yeah, humanity humanity

They are treating these people like they are not human beings.

Correct.

It's pathetic.

Yeah, well, I mean that and that's the thing that that's the thing that's ultimately the point is that and and We as just regular tax-paying Americans people who are naturalized or born citizens We're not much we're not much different to them either because they are willing to slash and burn

programs and entitlements because they want a tax cut.

They're going to treat us however they want because ultimately we don't matter to them because we don't have the money they seek to gain their power.

I don't have a billion dollars to try to buy a congressman or, you know, maybe a Supreme Court justice.

So, but there's a certain segment of the population of American citizens who can agree, who will agree and say, yeah, they're they're illegal immigrants.

You're here illegally.

Who cares what happens to them?

And as long as that attitude prevails, those politicians will progress because they'll have a segment of the people who they'll always appeal to and bring to their side over time as people listen to certain news and watch certain shows who speak a message of hate, exclusion, and anti-American rhetoric, in my opinion.

anti-American is exactly the way it is.

This is anti-American at its core.

It's anti-human, actually.

It's just anti-human.

Yes, yes.

No, you're exactly right.

Anti-human.

And again, I would feel dirty going home, sitting down on my couch, turning on the American, and watching people's lives use as props for our entertainment.

Evil that's evil in my opinion.

I just don't think I don't think it won't I don't think it will happen for a variety of reasons And I think if it ever did make it to the air the backlash would be severe I just feel like that's a bridge too far for many people and yeah, yeah,

I When I I chuckle because when I hear you say that's a bridge too far for some people I mean

Frankly that bridge was so far beyond my shoulder right now And yet some folks just continue to to give excuses for for what is happening within this administration and the kind of people that they're kind of I believe that leadership does matter and I think that's what's happened over the last 10 years because of leadership of people like Trump and Nolman has really caused them major issues within the people of this country Hey, we're gonna take the time out come back with more

I'm Chad Holmes.

It is Mornings with Pat Crightlow on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Once again, everyone, welcome back to Mornings with Pat Crite-Low on 98.9 WXCO and the Civic Media app.

I keep forgetting we are statewide today as I am sitting in for Pat Crite-Low.

He'll be back on Tuesday of next week, but very happy to be guest hosting here today from our 98.9 WXCO Wausau Studios and coming up in just over a week as it's going to be a special event here in Wausau on

May 24th, it's titled Wausau Unites in Love, remembering George Floyd rally for justice and freedom, 11 a.m.

until 2 p.m.

at the 400 block in downtown Wausau.

We're gonna talk about this event, talk about the issues as well as we are nearly five years, five years this month from the murder of George Floyd in...

Minneapolis.

But to talk about it, I'm very happy to welcome one of the organizers of the event that is going to be happening in just over a week.

We're very happy to welcome Latanya Campbell.

And Latanya, first of all, thank you for spending some time with us here today.

Oh, thank you for having me and publicizing this amazing event.

Well, let's start with the event itself.

And then we're going to talk, I think, maybe bigger picture coming up in just over a week.

It's this event.

Could you tell us a little bit about the event, how it came to be, and what you're hoping for coming up in about eight days time as we hear this interview?

Yes, so I was approached by some community members, part of Naomi, wanting to do something in remembrance of George Floyd.

They wanted to bring awareness around his death and kind of see where we're at today, if things have gotten better, if things have gotten worse.

And so with that idea, I was like, well,

There's a lot of things going on right now in this present climate that has people feeling fearful, people not feeling seen, accepted, or believed, or even that they belong.

I said, so this would be a perfect opportunity to combine those two.

George Floyd, he was someone's son.

He was a person, a brother.

He was a father.

I know a lot of people talk about his criminal record, but if we

put that to the side.

He's still a person, a son, a brother, a father.

And we have many people right now who are sons, fathers, mothers, sisters, daughters that are being stripped and taken away from their families and sent to other places.

And so I didn't want this to be purely just George Floyd.

I didn't want this to be a black issue.

I wanted this to be a community issue that's

going to bring awareness to all of the issues that different marginalized communities are facing.

So with that in mind, we wanted people to feel loved.

We wanted people

A lot of people right now are feeling like they're in a twilight zone.

They're feeling like they're on some type of island all by themselves.

And they're wondering if other people are seeing what's going on.

They're wondering if other people are feeling like, you know, they're feeling.

And so I felt like this was a good event to bring people together so that they can feel that love.

They can feel like they belong here.

They can feel seen.

And they can also talk about the issues that their communities face.

So let's go ahead.

I was going to say part of the title is.

WASA unites in love.

And I think that is vitally important at this time because the idea of uniting is not right now happening in a lot of areas, is it?

And to have an opportunity, I think, and to be able to hear these stories is something that is vitally important, isn't it?

It is.

there are a lot of people that are having rallies and protests and rightfully so.

I didn't want this to be an event where we're screaming or yelling at someone.

To me, I feel like that pushes people away.

I wanted it to be where we brought people in, that we spoke to their heart and we educated their mind.

When you look at the last five years, actually I was having a conversation with somebody recently because when you look back to five years ago and it was

not just George Floyd and the issues that came out and the protests and the voices being raised about that issue.

We were in the midst of COVID as well.

And I was talking to somebody and we were speaking about how five years ago we don't remember it this way now, but there was a consensus.

that, hey, we needed to do something in terms of sacrificing in terms of trying to squash COVID.

And also in the aftermath of George Floyd, I think there was a consensus for a lot of people that you can't be doing those kind of things, that you are right, that he is a person and that we all have these human rights.

But now his time has gone by.

I think you said it.

There were people that point out, well, he had a criminal record or well this or that.

It feels as though that we have to maybe take a step back and remember what was going on five years ago and maybe the mindset of a lot of people and what the truth is about what happened five years ago as it has it, what it means today.

Am I, does that make

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