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Hey, good morning.
Welcome back.
It's 806.
Nice to have you here up north on this Thursday morning, April 24th, 2025.
Coming up, our guest, Sarah Driever, is going to talk to us about the recent comments by HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.
about autism, what he has to say about what he thinks causes it and what it does to people's lives.
And as I said earlier, it might be easier to catalog
what he got right rather than all the many things that he got wrong.
We'll have that discussion coming up in just a couple of moments.
We also have Joseph Pecky joining us at the bottom of the hour to talk about this week's Wisconsin political news, not the least of which is his own run for state Democratic Party chair.
He's not the only one running.
We talked to William Garcia yesterday in our eight o'clock hour and tomorrow in our eight o'clock hour, we will talk to Devon Remaker, the current executive director.
of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.
They are the three candidates currently.
There may or may not be others between now and the state convention in mid-June, but we want to give you every opportunity to hear what they have to say about what they would do to lead Wisconsin progressives after Ben Wickler steps aside.
So all that yet to come in this third hour of our newly expanded morning show, which for us also includes another crack at getting a forecast from meteorologist Brittany Merleau for the state
hoping that in the hour since we talked to her last that the forecast has changed.
And for the NFL draft and Green Bay tonight, there will be sunshine and temperatures in the, in the mid seventies and not a drop of rain.
And the look on Brittany's face is telling me the forecast has not changed that much in the
past.
I wish it did.
Oh, I wish it did.
Well, let's look at the, again, let's look at the positive side because there are people who are going to be there.
They've traveled a long ways.
Yeah, there will be a couple of gloomy gusses, you know, they're scowling under their poncho.
Others are going to make the most of it.
Some of it might be fueled by fermented malt beverages, but they are going to have a good time regardless of what the weather is going to be.
So
let's tell them what the weather is going to be.
All right, yes.
There's too many events and activities going on and smiles going around that I don't think the weather is going to dampen anything.
And of course, it is holding off as long as it possibly can.
It actually fills in rain through the entire state holding off on the Fox Valley to the last possible minute.
So that is actually good news for you guys.
But throughout the state right now, it is pretty crisp and chilly.
It's still below freezing in Hayward, Wisconsin right now at 30 degrees and it is 57 until Milwaukee.
So the state temperature wise is going to see a huge spread.
We're looking at near 80 degrees south down by the state line today, mostly sixties central.
It'll be 60 degrees into Green Bay and fifties north.
And we're looking at that heat just continuing through the day today.
And then we lose it tomorrow as a slow pressure system moves in.
So what we're looking at is a few spotty showers popping up later on this evening and becoming more steady into the northwestern parts of the state later tonight.
Now it'll spread up into the north overnight and this will start to move into the Fox Valley then in Titletown and then some scattered showers start to pop up down south overnight as well.
So by tomorrow morning.
Yes, rain is going to be widespread.
It will be heavier pretty much from Minneapolis to the U.P.
And it'll be lighter elsewhere.
We're looking at about a quarter of an inch to fall into the Green Bay area.
That should end around noon or so.
And for the rest of the state, that of course will clear it out of here in the morning hours.
So...
You know, the clouds are gonna be gone by Friday.
We are gonna be battling some breezy winds out there.
So temperatures will only hit highs of about 50 degrees and it's gonna feel much colder because winds are gonna be gusting around 30.
So if you're going to the draft, pack a poncho, wear layers, get ready for the winds.
Saturday is gonna be a little, I mean, Friday is gonna be a little brutal, but Saturday is gonna be gorgeous with a ton of sunshine out there for Brad Paisley's concert.
Temperatures will be into the 60s again.
So honestly, it's really just Friday morning and a little bit of Friday afternoon is a little brutal.
And we're still facing a shortfall of precipitation in many areas.
And so this is actually needed rain that we're getting poorly timed, but needed just the same.
So it
was like Mother Nature's first round draft pick was to dampen the Anival
draft.
Yes.
But, you know, sometimes it's those late round picks that are ones that really shine.
And I mean, I mean that literally might, might be shining later on.
Thank you, Brittany, very much.
As always, all right meteorologist Brittany Merleau giving us an update on the statewide forecast and she'll have local forecasts of course throughout the day here across the Civic Media Radio Network.
A little later on we're going to check the mailbag.
Several folks sending in comments or questions about some of the topics that we covered already.
One asking about the emoluments clause and why isn't the Trump family being prosecuted for that.
There's one about
What can be done now that voter ID has been put into the Wisconsin Constitution if anything?
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And that's not unconstitutional.
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All right, let's talk for a bit about comments that were made last week by Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert Kennedy.
And yeah, I still have trouble saying that out loud as well, but he is the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
And when talking about a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention about the rates of autism among children in the U.S., he spread a lot of falsehoods.
He offended a lot of people, not the least of which was this quote, and I'm not gonna play the tape, I don't need to give him extra publicity, but here are the words he used.
These are kids who will never pay taxes, they'll never hold a job, they'll never play baseball, they'll never write a poem, they'll never go out on a date, many of them will never use a toilet unassisted.
That's all garbage, and people are rightly calling it out as such, some in very strong terms, and we happen to notice online the comments of Sarah Driever, who joins us now as well, a mother of two who can tell us much more about family life with autism, and what it means to have a Health and Human Services Secretary talking like this.
Sarah Driever, good morning, how are you?
Hi, good morning, Pat.
I'm doing well.
Okay, let me just leave it very open-ended for you because obviously when you heard Secretary Kennedy's comments you went online and Really called him to task.
So tell us a bit more about what you said and why
I Know that your team found me by seeing my comments on Facebook, but I
Most of my response was actually directly to the quote that you already read specifically calling out things that Autistic individuals will never be able to do And I brought up my kiddos as an example as you said I'm a mother of two so I have twin boys they're five years old and They are both on the spectrum.
They both have autism spectrum disorder.
So
When I heard that quote, obviously, I kind of went into mama bear mode and thought about my children and the fact that they are absolutely capable of all of those things.
In fact, they're already capable of reciting poetry.
They will likely do a lot of the other things that he mentioned as well.
My kiddos speak three languages.
So I would argue that they can communicate better than a lot of neurotypical people and neurotypical children at age five.
So they're incredibly impressive.
And I also identify as a neurodiverse individual for being on the spectrum.
I would argue all of us are on the spectrum.
because it is a spectrum, but I have ADHD and I also took it very personally when he says things like these folks will never pay taxes or hold a job.
I have a doctorate.
I have a job.
I'm a contributing member of society.
I volunteer often.
I consider myself a good neighbor and community member and I show up.
I think it's really scary and I think a lot of parents and advocates were rightly scared because the language that he was using also lifts up and brings about messages of eradication, you know, ending here instead of using language like better understand or accommodate or advocate.
So now with mention of.
Robert Kennedy Jr.'
's idea of wanting to have an autism registry, obviously a lot of us are scared.
And we're thinking about other things that he said, like autism destroys families.
I'm here to say that autism is very much a part of my family, and it makes my family better, incredible.
It's really something that we're talking about these comments on the fifth anniversary of President Trump making comments about, you know, injecting disinfectant into the body to cure COVID or shining a light into it because it would seem like this would be the perfect time for a president to say, no, this, my health and human secretary, health and human services secretary got it wrong.
This is not where I stand.
But clearly based on Trump's previous comments,
there may be more than a little bit of support for what Robert Kennedy Jr.
had to say.
And this whole notion now that in his quest to find a, quote, cause and cure for autism, he wants to begin collecting Americans' private health records is more than a little disturbing, Sarah.
Very disturbing.
And as I mentioned, I think that's why a lot of the response
from especially parents, caregivers, family members is fear.
I'm also confused.
I think a lot of the leadership currently and the executive orders that have been passed are a lot of them that have to do with halting federal funding and slowing down or ceasing medical research.
those seem directly contradictory to a lot of the things that RFK Jr is saying he wants to do.
Yeah.
It's hard to say you're looking for a cure for something while you're also cutting cancer research and so many other things.
Sarah Drever is an advocate for the neurodiverse community and talking about Robert Kennedy Jr.'
's comments on autism.
Still ahead this hour, we'll be talking to Joe's Pecky from the Heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota.
Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.
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Sarah Driever is back with us and we are talking about autism, the neurodiverse community, Robert Kennedy Jr.'
's offensive and wrong-headed comments.
And Sarah, if you don't mind, I just want to read a little bit of...
a social media post that, you know, your friends from Western Wisconsin, you're an Eau Claire native, noted and brought to our attention.
Let's get real, you're right.
To write that RFK Junior's recent statements about autistic folks have been upsetting is an understatement.
I say this as a neurodiverse mom with twin five year olds.
My five-year-olds already disprove these allegations.
So many folks in my family exist on the autism spectrum.
We have jobs, we pay a lot of taxes, families, volunteers, support our neighbors and communities, date, marry, and have friends.
And you've talked about your five-year-olds already, the things that they do, and that other folks do, that put Kennedy's comments, put the lie to them.
I know you probably have a couple of more examples that would, again, if Robert Kennedy had met some of these folks, he wouldn't be saying the things that he said.
Absolutely.
And I appreciate being able to bring up those examples to kind of refute the things that he said.
One example I would think of is people on the spectrum find really amazing ways to communicate that aren't always typical.
For example, one of my sons is less verbal than I would say average kiddos his age.
And he oftentimes struggles to find the word for things.
And so instead he will take someone by the hand and show them something that he is trying to communicate or he will actually hold your face and direct your gaze.
so that you're looking at something in a certain angle that he wants to direct you to to see how something works because he's really fascinated at looking at things and trying to figure out how they work which just highlights also the unique way that he sees the world but a lot of these uniquenesses also present in ways that at least my children process information and I think that leads them to have a more holistic understanding
of concepts than their peers.
And an example of that is my other son.
We lost a family member recently and it took several days for my other son, Archer, to process what happened and try and conceptualize death and dying and how to communicate that experience to others.
And after this family member passed and it had been about three days.
My son said to me, mom, I'm not sure heaven is a real place, but it makes people feel better.
So I tell them she's in heaven.
And I'm like, you're five.
That's such an amazing explanation.
That's such an advanced concept.
And the fact that he took the time to process that, realized all those things, connected all those dots, and then told me that was just amazing.
My kids are both medically complex.
And I think that means they will face a world that will not always be accommodating.
So I think their ASD or autism spectrum disorder will help them find new and better ways of participating, communicating, thinking, perceiving.
And that's again provided that we continue to improve.
the, the environment that's out there, the, the attitudinal environment that's out there, which unfortunately, uh, Robert Kennedy Jr.
espouses the, you know, the opposite of that.
He took a report that noted that autism prevalence in the U S has increased from one in 36 children five years ago to one in 31 children in 2022 and use that to say autism was an epidemic.
And he vowed to find a quote unquote environmental toxin
when Sarah, he's being rightly criticized for noting that the change in numbers is probably due more to more comprehensive screening across a broader population.
Absolutely.
That is true.
And something that's commendable if we're better diagnosing.
I think there's also a lot, we've come a long way in understanding, right?
So when we're looking back at, you know, our great aunt,
Edna and her quirky collections and we use terms to describe her like quirky or now we look back and we say that person was probably on the spectrum.
I think it's just a change in evolution in our learning and understanding.
And that's what we're hoping to see continued is an evolution of understanding and not bringing back some old tropes and stereotypes and frankly causing much more harm than good.
And so I'm so thankful that folks like you are willing to speak out.
Sarah Drever, Eau Claire Native, joining us from Minnesota.
Thank you very much for your visit, for your words, for your advocacy.
Take good care.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
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All right, joined now by Joseph Peckie, who along with giving us his usual weekly analysis of Wisconsin political happenings, is one of the Wisconsin political happenings as he's running for chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
And again, I hasten to add with all the candidates, we're talking to all of them, William Garcia on Wednesday, and then Devin Rimmiker at 8.30 on Friday morning.
Joseph Peckie, how are you?
Well, I believe I was the only one to announce it.
and make my first public appearance on your very show.
You most
certainly will and we're and we are very appreciative of that.
So you are a whole week in the books of campaigning.
How's it going?
I can't tell if it's felt more like a month or more like 24 hours, but.
Somewhere in there.
It's going really, really well.
We're picking up a lot of support.
People are reacting, you know, very positively to the calls for change with how we communicate as a party to how we fine tune year round organizing and to, you know, on the flip side of the coin, how we make sure we continue to raise the resources necessary to compete and win as Democratic Party.
So I've got hundreds of miles down already and about another 1,100 to go.
between now and Sunday, I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, I mean, we've got, this is the season four ahead of the state party conventions.
This is both Democrats and Republicans.
There are the congressional district level conventions and you've got to make that big run between the seventh congressional district convention this weekend and then the third congressional district convention that run from Hayward to La Crosse.
I have done that multiple times and you're doing that this weekend but you gotta
where the people are.
I'm sure it's a beautiful drive.
I'm glad I'll be doing it in daylight and not in the dead of night.
Yes, because I've I've done that both
ways too.
One is most definitely preferable to the other and along with all of that, you know, we talked to Sarah Godluschi uh very uh very short time ago who's now running for first vice chair of the party as well talking about uh all the road trips that include
town halls where Republican members of Congress are invited to show up, but have not really been big on meeting with their constituents of late.
No, where is the Wisconsin Republican Party?
I mean, they're nowhere.
I was out in the cross the other night.
Mark Pocan did a empty chair town hall in the district of Derrick Van Orden.
Mr. Van Orden doesn't want to take questions from his constituents unless he gets to pre-screen them and I just I want to point this part out This was an open to the event You know open to the public event that Pocan was doing outside of his own district There was no screening in terms of who was in the room and so you had a couple of college Republicans wearing Derek Van Orden t-shirts and MAGA hats
You know what Mark Pokan did?
He took their question.
It wasn't a very nice question, but he took it and he answered it respectfully.
There was a megaverse streamer who, you know, that we're talking like the Newsmax or further to the right, who had a ridiculous, disrespectful question.
And I don't mean disrespectful that he asked the question.
I mean, the tone of voice and the way he asked Pokan the question about trans athletes.
You know what Mark did?
He answered the question.
And that is the job.
If you hold a position of public trust that the people elected you to is to go out and face hard questions.
Derek Van Orden is apparently not interested in that.
Ron Johnson is apparently not interested in that.
Tom Tiffany does not appear to be interested in that.
And, you know, it really gives away the game.
They know that what they're doing is not popular.
They know that they are complicit in an administration that is taking a blowtorch to the Constitution that is Creating economic upheaval for no reason Right there sometimes there's an economic crisis because something happens like a terrorist attack or a natural disaster or a pandemic Donald Trump inherited a healthy economy not a perfect economy
but the most healthy economy in the world.
And this is all self-inflicted by Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans who have just stood back and said, OK, boss, you do what you want to do.
We're willing to sacrifice and cede our constitutional authority.
So are they too embarrassed to go before their constituents?
They should be.
But it still kind of gives away the game.
Yeah, I mean who knows how much of it is embarrassment because they know better how much of it is complicity and you mentioned you know
when times aren't good, and I would again invoke personal privilege here to say that, you know, during my time in the legislature, the housing bubble had burst, the markets tanked, there was the great recession that was upon us, and tough decisions had to be made.
You know what we still did?
We still held our town halls.
I held 100 of them during my four years as a state senator.
Russ Feingold went to 72 counties every single time.
I watched as those crowds got increasingly hostile as more Republicans felt the need to come in and, again, act disrespectful in the way that you did.
Did Russ Feingold stop?
No.
It's part of the job is to talk to people, even the ones who want to be rude to you.
And, you know, so good on you and Mark Pokan and others who are still trying to follow through with this because people deserve to know their concerns are being heard.
Sure do.
Let's ask you about stories that were in the news this past week here.
I believe it was after our discussion last week that the Wisconsin Supreme Court put out a decision, four to three, that upheld a partial veto that allowed an increase in school aid to go on for 400 years because of the way the partial veto is structured.
awkward, it's a little unpleasant, even the progressive justices said as much, but it's not unconstitutional.
I asked in our weekend newsletter what people think.
Should we keep this as is as a necessary check on a renegade legislature or is this a little too far and we need to rein it in?
Do we just have a straight up or down veto, up or down veto on the whole bill?
No partial vetoes.
What were your thoughts after the state supreme court decision last week?
I think this is
Not one that anybody should get their dander up about the you know, Wisconsin's governor has extraordinary line item veto power and always has the the van a white veto the most famous of which was Tommy Thompson taking Pages and pages of a budget to cross out
Most of words or whole words to create new words to build a new highway that the legislature have not Authored you may know this story better than iPad, but like this is Taylor's oldest time the Wisconsin governor has a mighty veto pen and they wield it and
You know, that was the Vanna White veto that Tommy used.
This approach is something that the Tony Evers had done, which was in question before the court is very similar to something that Scott Walker had done, where Scott Walker locked something in for a thousand years.
It was a thousand year veto.
You know, Tony Evers was only doing a 400 year line item veto.
This is the way it goes.
I'm curious what we're going to end up calling the vetoes that lock something in for a long time in the future.
Our friend Bill McCoshan, Republican strategist, suggested the Jetsons veto because it's for so far into the future.
That's not bad.
I think we might be able to do better, but that's usually the case when Bill's talking.
That's right.
So we'll continue to see how that's wielded, especially with this next state budget that is still being formed.
It should be the thing the legislature controlled by Republicans is working on most often and most frequently.
And instead, we're getting, as we did yesterday, these side shows.
And in this case, I'm speaking specifically about a press release from Senator Eric Wimberger from Ocanto, talking all about the legislature's audit committee that held up a public hearing
into the millions of taxpayer dollars spent on governor Evers unconstitutional orders about diversity, equity, and inclusion.
And it just seems if you're spending your time fighting diversity and holding hearings on what used to be a really bipartisan committee, Joe, the audit committee used to rise above all of those and simply looked into genuine abuse or waste of taxpayer dollars.
these folks have really taken even that bipartisan committee around the bend.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, your father and your grandfather's Republican Party is gone.
Don't take my word for it.
Take, you know, Todd Alba and Trivig Eulson, who I was talking with yesterday on air, his word for it.
There's only one serious political party left.
The Republican Party is not a serious political governing party anymore.
It just isn't.
And, you know, those are their choices.
And they do not see the hypocrisy in attacking, you know, reasonable, effective, proven out diversity, equity and inclusion policies, because we now live in the Trump era of meritocracy, where Peter Hegseth, the least qualified person in the Fox green room to run the Pentagon, the world's largest bureaucracy.
Clearly is the most worthy person of that role and it's why his leadership at the Pentagon is falling apart and his inner circle is crumbling like it They don't believe in meritocracy and they don't believe in diversity equity and inclusion They believe it might makes right and if they can make a buck Corrupt or otherwise That is what they will do.
They are centralizing power
like authoritarian regimes have done before, and it doesn't matter that Hexeth isn't qualified.
It matters that he's loyal, and that should scare all of us.
And so when you see state Republicans chirping about, you know, nonsensical, non-existent waste, fraud, and abuse, we should just call it out for what it is, which is hypocritical nonsense.
And I want to be really clear.
There is, sometimes.
waste, fraud and abuse in governments, and it should always be identified and rooted out and there should be accountability.
But that's not what the Republicans are talking about.
Republicans are doing things like firing inspectors general in Washington.
They're not actually serious about it.
They just want to use it to distract you from the fact that they are further fixing the economy for those at the very top so they can do another tax cut to their big donors and big corporations and we have to get wise to that and make sure people understand that's what they're doing.
And what a study in contrast to find that instead on the Democratic side, you had legislators yesterday introducing a bill that would restore women's reproductive health rights and remove many of the abortion care restrictions that have no business being in a doctor's exam room.
Now look, the legislature is controlled by Republicans.
It's not gonna pass.
Why is it still important for Democratic lawmakers to introduce bills like this and to talk about them?
So that people know where we stand.
And I want to applaud the assembly Democrats for doing that.
I also want to applaud assembly and Senate or excuse me, Senate Democrats for pushing once again to pass the extension of maternal Medicaid.
There are 48 states that have done this to protect new moms and babies from the first year of a baby's life.
Wisconsin and Arkansas are the only two states that haven't done so.
And the reason is one person, Robin Voss.
Yesterday, State Senate took it up, passed it 32 to one, overwhelmingly bipartisan support, 32 to one.
And now we need to put the pressure on Robin Voss to bring that to a vote.
It has more than 50 assembly cosponsors, which means if it comes to the floor, it will pass and we will be able to better support new moms and babies.
Let's get this done.
Joe's Pecky is running for State Chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
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Uh Joseph Peckie continuing with us now as well.
Are you a draft watcher or what are your thoughts on the draft being in Green Bay this year?
I cannot blame the fact that I won't get to see much of the draft on running for party chair It's never really been my most famous part or most favorite most famous most favorite part of being a football fan But I am gonna be paying attention to one thing as you know and some of the most of the listeners know For the last seven years.
I've been coaching football at my old high school
And one of our former players, Nate Valkarcell, who went on to play safety at the University of Northern Illinois, you know, had a big game against Notre Dame when they upset them last year.
He is draft eligible.
He is on a lot of boards as a sleeper pick to go in the later rounds.
And we wish Nate from Greenfield all the best.
He's an incredible kid, an incredible athlete.
He works his tail off and he deserves an opportunity to compete against the best in the world.
And my hope is that by
Saturday, somebody will have taken a chance on him and given him that opportunity.
Good luck, Nate.
All right.
While we're talking sports, what is happening with your Milwaukee Bucks 0 and 2 against the Pacers?
Why do they
have their number?
What do they say?
Five to the last six.
Gosh.
A playoff series in the NBA doesn't start until the home team loses a game.
The Pacers held serve, you know, and lace them up and we're going to go again and Milwaukee was really good at home this year.
I'm not counting them out just yet.
Okay.
All right.
We talked earlier in the hour here with a mom who was one of many upset about the comments Robert Kennedy Jr.
made about autism.
And we also played earlier the clip from five years ago today, Donald Trump talking about injecting disinfectant and putting light into the body and things like that.
And it just, Joe, it gets to the whole notion of
public service, governing versus ruling, and the respect that one side has for science.
And I just have to agree with what you said before.
This is not your father's or your grandfather's Republican party where you could disagree on things like the tax code and some other big issues, not basic science.
We've never had a split like this before in this country with basic science.
And such a lack of basic compassion.
and such a lack of intellectual curiosity.
You know, it is possible for people in this crazy world to not have all of the information all of the time and to start out afraid of that which they don't understand or unsure about how it makes them feel.
That is okay.
What is not okay is people with all of the privilege
and resources and responsibility in the world, from Donald Trump to Bob Kay, who has forever tarnished the Kennedy name, to not show compassion, to not have the intellectual curiosity to understand the full lives that people across the autism spectrum have and to be so dismissive and insulting of literally like
thousands, tens of thousands of Wisconsin families who have someone they love who is on the autism spectrum.
It's just disgusting.
I wish I didn't have to be that personal about it because I don't like it when our politics is that personal.
But I don't know how else to meet that kind of lack of curiosity, lack of compassion.
You know, we lost Pope Francis on Easter Monday.
And you talk about someone who modeled compassion, who modeled the New Testament that I was raised on and not the Old Testament fire and brimstone.
Someone who washed the feet of prisoners when he was in Latin America as a bishop or excuse me as a cardinal.
And like, I don't know what happened to that part of the Republican Party.
But I'd like to think we can get it back and we need to show compassion for one another We are all you know We are all trying to figure it out in this crazy thing called life But the approach of so many Republican elected officials not Republican like voters Republican elected officials to demonize villain eyes ship to cartels.
I mean The Bible I read tells me
that if Jesus comes back, he will be a refugee once again, and that he will seek asylum.
And when you look at how we treat people who are seeking temporary protected status, trying to make a better life in this country, there's a real disconnect there from the party that is supposed to be about, you know, Christian faith is what they often talk about.
It should be about all faiths, but yeah.
Crazy times will live in it.
You know what
what the antidote for that is is it's one thing to love somebody in campaign mode but IRL has a way of kicking in in real life and watching Trump's numbers on inflation and how he's handling the economy might be one way to break the spell.
Joe, where do people go to learn more about your race for chair?
joesofpecky.com.
Congratulations Donald Trump on having the lowest approval rating at this point in his presidency of the 21st century.
You did it, Donnie.
Great job.
He's very competitive.
Well, it's like golf.
Golf, you're looking for a low score.
Maybe he's confused that way.
I don't know.
Joe, thank you so much.
Have a great day.
Talk to you
soon.
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Thanks to today's guests, Chad Holmes, Sara Godluschi, Sara Driever, Joseph Peckie, and to you for being here this morning, I'm Pat Crichtlow, founding editor of Up North News, the Wisconsin Home for Courier, a pro-democracy news network.
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