Are We Liberated Yet? (Hour 2)

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Are We Liberated Yet? (Hour 2)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri Apr 4, 2025

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Good morning,

Pat Kreitlow

happy Friday.

Welcome back to UpNorth News Radio on a bashedly Wisconsin brought to you by Courier Newsroom and carried by our friends on the Civic Media Radio Network at 7.06 on this Friday, April 4th.

Nice to have you along.

We've got meteorologist Brittany Merlot standing by.

Also coming up this hour, our Weekend Review Panel.

Slightly...

Modified.

We will have a journalist Jennifer Schulze.

We will have former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel.

And pinch hitting for Mark Jacob will be Mark Pokan, the Congressman from Wisconsin.

We'll be joining us to talk about news of the past week.

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Alright, let's bring in meteorologist Brittany Merlot to talk a bit about the weekend forecast.

Oh look at that, Greg.

After ten days of doing this, we bore Greg out.

No longer dancing to the tic-tac-toe thing.

Greg Bach

I was dancing, I was doing my thing, and then

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you

Greg Bach

said, you know what I always say, somebody's gotta win a hundred dollars, like

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it's your catchphrase.

Well, that's all I've been saying for two weeks.

It's like, hey.

Greg Bach

I know,

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but let

Greg Bach

me have this, Pat.

Just let me have this.

Pat Kreitlow

Alright, alright.

Here's Brittany Merleau with the forecast.

Brittany, I was saying earlier that it's, you know, having the sun out late yesterday was just glorious.

I'm like, oh, we have finally turned the corner.

I feel bad about complaining, you know, yesterday morning about how the cold temperatures are hanging around.

This is it.

We're finally there and temperatures are in the 20s again this morning.

And I'm like, we have to bust

Brittney Merlot

out of this at

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some point.

It's just not

Brittney Merlot

today.

We're trying to.

I see it around the corner.

I was going to

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say, next week's looking pretty good.

Brittney Merlot

Yes, it is.

So hang in there, everyone.

It's crisp this morning.

The winds are much calmer, though.

We're looking at low 20s up northeast.

We've got some mid 30s, though, making its way into the Fox Valley.

Appletons at 36 degrees right now, which is the same as Racine and Kenosha.

We're all waking up to beautiful, sunny, clear skies, though.

And as we go through this afternoon, highs will make it to the low to mid 50s, far southwest.

And we're looking at low to mid 40s east and north today.

The clouds will move in though by this afternoon.

So clouds increasing light rain rolling through south later on this afternoon and through the evening as we have two low pressure systems kind of.

into the state at the same time.

So we're going to see a little bit of rain moving into the southern part first.

Then we're going to see a little bit of scattered showers up north as a cold front sweep through and that front is going to end all of the rain through the overnight hours.

So that means tomorrow we have dry conditions.

A ton of sunshine out there will be in the upper 30s north to upper 40 south.

And then Sunday, the sunshine continues.

So a gorgeous, beautiful weekend, and we get a little bit warmer for Sunday too.

Low 40s north to low 50s south.

But at night, Sunday, a cold front moves through, could spark up some light snow for Monday morning.

And I'm going to tell you now, Monday is going to be cold.

We're talking about highs in the 30s statewide.

So even you down south, upper 30s.

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I feel like somebody's talking to me personally, warning me not to be triggered on Monday morning when it's cold and maybe

Brittney Merlot

snowy

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again.

I'll

Brittney Merlot

be

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fine.

I'll be fine.

Brittney Merlot

You got this.

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I'll accept it.

I got this.

There's serious doubt going on around the station right now.

Nope.

He's going to whine again.

Everything's so quiet.

Pat seems really mad right now.

No, no, I'm fine.

It's just the way of my people.

But then.

Yes.

Brittney Merlot

Then we get some sixties and maybe even some.

There we go.

See

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there.

There.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ah, let's see.

Let me check over on the text line that we're.

Oh my goodness.

Folks, you're you're you're busy.

You're busy here today.

Uh Rob says good morning from Tigerton.

Sunshine 25 degrees.

Yesterday I went and got a haircut from my friend Anita.

I plowed snow for her and she gave me a bonus in a $25 gas card.

That's some good friendship right there.

He loves the episode of the Beverly Hill Billies where Granny predicts the weather using a beetle in a matchbox and leaves curling on the trees and I think of Brittany whenever I see that episode.

Brittney Merlot

I love that episode.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, you, you know this episode.

Brittney Merlot

Okay.

It's a little box in the beetle.

I've got a box too.

Yep.

Greg Bach

Yep.

I just have a question for Rob.

When you see your friend, do you walk up to her and cause I would do this.

I go, I need a haircut.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay.

Anyway, Rob goes on to say that next week is Severe Weather Awareness Week.

He can't wait to take a storm spotter class.

Brittany's going to help me and I'm going to become a storm spotter.

I've been doing it since 2022.

I got into reporting storm damage and rain and snow amounts in the Tigerton area.

Let's see.

He also says the song you played by Starship.

I heard that before my appendix operation on September 20th, 1987.

Wow.

From

Tony up in Ashland, Brittany, all your snow melted and flowed right into my basement.

My drain pipe was frozen, so it had nowhere else to go.

On the positive side, I now know exactly where the drain pipe is supposed to drain to.

Oh boy.

There you

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go.

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And from Shizu, sounds like great weather, beautiful day to honor my papa at his funeral.

Oh, well, that's bittersweet.

But yes, I hope the memories are happy that you recount here.

And Brittany, thank you so much for the forecast.

And if I don't do it enough, thank you for your patience.

Brittney Merlot

Thank you.

You guys are the best.

Pat Kreitlow

You are wonderful.

Have a good weekend.

Brittney Merlot

You too.

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Let's talk a little sports at 713 here because the Milwaukee Brewers helped the Cincinnati Reds to make some history yesterday.

Not exactly the good kind.

The Brewers opened up a four game series hosting the Reds.

Nester Cortez, remember him from last week, gave up a homerun on the first pitch of the game, gave up a homerun on the second pitch of the game, gave up a homerun on the third pitch of the game to the Yankees.

Much better this time.

allowed just one hit over six innings and helped the Brewers beat the Reds one to nothing yesterday.

For the Reds, it was the third game in a row that they'd lost one to nothing.

That hasn't happened since 1960 and you have to go to the 19-oughts for the last time that it happened before then.

The game 2 of the series at American Family Field is at 7.05 so coverage will begin at 6.35 on several Civic Media stations including WCQM up in Park Falls and our newest Brewers affiliate WBZH in Hayward.

Head over to the website to learn more.

A little history made for the Milwaukee Bucks.

Yanis became the first player in NBA history to have 35 points, 17 rebounds, and 20 assists as the Bucks beat the Philadelphia 76ers 126-113 last night.

The Bucks are on a three game road trip.

The second game will be tomorrow in Miami.

Then they will be in New Orleans on Sunday.

their next home game is against the Minnesota Timberwolves on Tuesday.

In the news, there was an election yesterday, an internal election for the members of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, where they elected a new Chief Justice and have decided that the new Chief Justice will be the one who's going to be retiring shortly and Walsh Bradley.

who's also the longest, one of the longest tenured justices on the court.

So she will serve as Chief Justice for about two months and then Justice Jill Karofsky will succeed her for the rest of that two-year term.

Now the the selection of a Chief Justice had been the subject of some controversy a few years back and that was when there was

Another one of these Republican-led constitutional amendments to change the way that chief justices are chosen by the Supreme Court.

It used to be the most senior justice was the chief justice.

Kind of makes sense.

Had that arrangement for 120-some years.

But Shirley Abramson had been chief justice for many, many years to that point.

And even when there was a conservative majority on the court,

So legislators helped push through and sell voters on an amendment that said it would be the court justices who decide on the Chief Justice.

And so with there being a conservative majority, they promptly dumped Shirley Abramson and put one of the conservative members in place instead.

Had that rule still been in force, there is a conservative justice now and there would continue to be a conservative justice in the future

because of the seniority levels with the various justices, but because they changed the rules 10 years ago, it will now be one of the progressive justices who is Chief Justice instead.

It will be Ann Walsh Bradley for a couple of months until she retires, and then Justice Jill Karofsky after that.

And as I mentioned, another one of the senior conservatives on the court, Rebecca Bradley, it will be her seat that is up for reelection a year from now, not clear yet if she is going to run for another 10-year term or not.

When we have our Week in Review panel coming up in a couple of minutes here, we're going to talk to former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel

about a lawsuit.

I just wanted to give you the headline quickly that Democratic officials in 19 states, including Wisconsin, have filed a lawsuit against President Trump and his attempt to reshape elections across the U.S.

They call it an unconstitutional invasion of state's clear authority to run their own elections.

Trump's order is basically rooted in his ongoing lies about election security.

saying that states have failed to enforce basic and necessary election protection.

That's a lie.

U.S.

elections have been secure, have proven to be secure.

There has not been any rigging Trump lost in 2020 fair and square, but because he was able to convince enough voters to put him back in office in 2024,

He's now not just on a rampage through the American economy, but through the American election system as well.

He is threatening to withhold funding from states that do not bow to his will and make various changes to elections.

But as New York Attorney General Latisha James put it, we are a democracy, not a monarchy.

And this executive order is an authoritarian power grab.

prompting the lawsuit that Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Call is joining in on as well.

So we will talk a bit to Jim Santel about that coming up.

We'll be joined by Chicago veteran journalist Jennifer Schulze as well.

And then coming up at 7.30, we will have Congressman Mark Pocan join the panel as well.

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Pat Kreitlow

From the daily history lesson I will miss a couple over the weekend here, so we'll tell you that over the weekend in 1974 Billy Joel first entered the charts with piano man Which would come in at number 33 on the charts it would peak at number 25 two weeks later

and you'd say okay well that song went nowhere and now it is the song that everybody identifies with Billy Joel and again that was 51 years ago this weekend that it took effect.

So let's welcome in.

Mark Jacob is off this week but we've got Jennifer Scholesi, we've got Jim Santel here and we've got from

Adam on YouTube I listened to Jim Santel's amicus a law review for the first time last Saturday and walked away feeling so informed and much smarter Thank Jim Santel for taking time out of your weekend to help educate us all I can't do any better than that Jim.

Good morning.

I can't either an Adam if I could somehow skew

the special civic media contestants going on, you would be the winner this hour, next hour, and every hour.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

We can't do that.

We can't do that.

That's called fraud.

That's called fraud.

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All we can do is tell people that this hour's keyword is cash.

This hour's prize is $100.

Texting the word cash for your chance to win.

Jennifer, I got no fan mail here except me saying that I love I love your articles and you can read our newsletter in distinct chatter over on substack substack.com slash at news Jennifer.

How are you?

I'm very good.

Thank you.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, good.

Hey, we're going to get into some of the news headlines with Jennifer in a second here.

But I'm going to pick up where I left off in the last segment with Jim.

And that is talking about this lawsuit against President Trump.

and what he is trying to mandate, what he's trying to order states to do, it's quite clear from this that he is again trying to attack mail-in voting.

He wants all in-person voting all on one day, and if you can't make it, well, tough luck for you.

And Jim, I don't believe that the pesky little thing called the Constitution will necessarily allow that.

There are probably about 17 problems with what our president has done.

We can highlight perhaps numbers one and two.

Number one is just in terms of authority.

It is fascinating to note, as we always do, the president is the one person, the one person who does not have a role to play when it comes to federal elections.

The Congress plainly does.

And most importantly, the states do.

What does the Constitution say?

The Constitution says,

That is the states.

It's established the times, the places, the circumstances of voting.

That's what James Madison wrote in our Constitution, adopted by all the states.

It's been that way.

And that's why, if you think about it, even, again, this was not a federal election this past Tuesday, but all the elections, including next November, you don't have federal officials there.

What do you have?

You've got your local clerks, your local people, even some of your regional people come in to do that.

That's what's at core problematic with this.

This is the fourth lawsuit that's been filed.

This one by attorneys general.

They've all been consolidated in front of a federal district court judge in Washington.

She will have, once again, hearings on all of this.

This is not a difficult prediction to make.

She will find that this is contrary to the Constitution.

The president has no authority to do what he's claiming to do.

It is illegal.

And again, the problem with this, of course, is especially in advance of last Tuesday's election.

people hear this sort of thing, including that they've got to show up with their birth certificate in Wisconsin.

To the extent that that's chills voting populations, that's the other concern here.

You're getting bad information out there, an order that is not legal, but you're sending it out at a time when people are thinking about voting.

Once again, I say shame on you, Mr. President.

And where are the lawyers around him saying you simply can't do this?

You've got a federal judge who almost certainly will say just that.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, there's no lawyers around him saying you can't do it.

He's busy taking down all the law firms that he's been targeting lately.

But Jennifer, that's the policy.

Now it's how is this being framed?

How's it being presented by news networks, by newspapers, and things like that?

I haven't read enough yet to say, here we go again with the both sidesism, but I certainly would expect that newsrooms would be rather robust and sane, that President Trump put out an executive order for things that he does not have the power to do.

I know, isn't it?

That's

too much to hope for, for that kind of.

And you would be wrong.

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Yes, I would.

I

know.

We do not have.

an understanding of what executive orders are and are not and we most certainly do not have any consistency in reporting those.

It's the same problem frankly anytime Trump says anything more often than not the headlines are Trump says whatever he says with no nothing else as if that is the fact.

Right.

Same is true when he issues an executive order.

Trump issues executive order, demanding blah, blah, blah.

You very rarely will see, and the same is true this week, any headlines, even the first couple paragraphs of a story or on TV or in print, that then say, oh, by the way, he can't do this.

Oh, by the way, it's illegal.

Oh, by the way,

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no.

Not even by the way.

It would be great to see it in the headline.

Yeah.

It's just

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something like, you know, Trump.

proposes major changes to elections, comma, but he can't do that.

I mean, it would be a fact based headline.

Before we go to break Jennifer and welcome in Congressman Polkhan, I wanted to get your thoughts as well on again, with the stock markets, absolutely cratering.

That's certainly what you're seeing on most news networks, but not all of them, right?

Right.

So Fox.

For the first time in its 28 year history, yesterday took off the stock market ticker that runs along the bottom of Fox News.

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Of course they

did.

Because it was so devastating to them.

They had had it on earlier in the day.

And so when they were interviewing, like say the head of the agriculture department, there it is with bright red.

going down, down, down.

It's not there.

I haven't checked today.

I assume it's not there.

Last night when I checked their website, you couldn't find a story about what happened on the stock market on the entire first page.

I do see this morning on their website, there's a little story at the bottom about how China is responding this morning to the terrorists.

Kathryn Lake

But yes,

they are not just ignoring it.

They are, they're following Trump completely.

So they're

their viewers are gonna have to look at their bank accounts to actually find out what's going

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on.

And find out how it's Joe Biden's fault, apparently, because somehow it is.

Let's see, Jim, I'm not gonna have time for this before the break, but I'm gonna read the question off anyway, and we'll see if we can tackle it later.

If a woman has a valid passport with both maiden and married name on it, is that enough documentation to prove who they are when they vote?

Because that is part of what this gets into is,

You think it's targeting, you know, undocumented immigrants, but married women or newly divorced women could have issues with some of these rules as well.

Congressman Mark Pocan joins the conversation right after this.

You're up north.

One more from the history books before we close it up for the week.

It was this week in 1968 that the number one album was the soundtrack from The Graduate, propelled largely by Mrs. Robinson there from Simon and Garfunkel.

7.35 on this Friday morning, April 4th, and we are happy to welcome to the program Congressman Mark Polkhan on an adjusted schedule this week that we're gonna get into.

Congressman, how are you?

Hey, I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me and thanks to all your listeners for

sending a message from Wisconsin.

Yes.

The loudest message of the

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week.

That was quite a message that came from Wisconsin.

Folks all across the country heard it.

We continue on as well with former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel and journalist Jennifer Schulze.

But Congressman, let's start with why we were originally going to talk on Wednesday.

You're here today because plans changed midweek because of something the Speaker of the House Mike Johnson wasn't happy about.

Can you just explain what the kerfuffle was?

Well, it's somewhere between the Republicans are incompetent and don't know how to govern.

And the fact that there's a bunch of old white men who can't understand that if a woman gives birth and she's in Congress, that she should still be able to represent her constituents.

Something they can't quite get their head around.

So really, it was just kind of the worst of Republicans in general.

And it sent us all home.

Pat Kreitlow

And it was all about proxy voting.

And which, by the way, that was done during COVID, right?

There were times when you all got to vote by proxy.

Yeah and you know I mean it's very easy to argue that if you're a female member of Congress who's gonna have a baby that you could still represent your constituents and take care of your baby like you know we have many federal programs to try to help people do.

And the idea that Republicans can't get their head around that.

I mean, what it really is, is they think there's more Democratic women than men.

Therefore, it benefits Democrats rather than it benefits people.

And you maybe want more women in your caucus anyway, Mike.

Might not be a bad idea.

And he is a member who just said she's going to be given birth in September.

Like, you know, it's just, I'm tired of.

old white dudes making all the decisions for a country that is more than just old white

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dudes.

And what you had was I forget the number now seven or eight Republicans who actually crossed over and voted on on a procedural motion that would have allowed a vote on this allowing proxy voting and the speaker rather than allowing it to go forward just stopped all business for the week and sent everybody home which I don't know how he thinks that that gets resolved but Jennifer not to pick on you but as

as the woman on the panel today.

I'm sure you're hearing this and thinking, yeah, what else is new?

Of all the stories we've had to cover about workplaces and women in the workplaces, and we still, honest to goodness, have members of the Wisconsin legislature who, when we talk about the childcare crisis, their answer is, well, maybe if more of these moms would just stay home.

Well, right, I mean It's no surprise to any of us here and your listeners as well that Republicans aren't I mean they don't like women period and You know any of this stuff that might actually help anybody but I think and I'd be curious what the congressman thinks about this It also strikes me that this is particularly linked to

Republicans saying no to anything that happened during COVID.

I mean, they made a big stink about it during COVID that they didn't want remote voting and somehow that was, you know, untoward.

And it seems like everything that Democrats did during COVID, Republicans have seen that like they have an obligation to say no to it.

And this was one of those things.

So I wonder if there's an add on to that.

I think at some level, Jennifer, you're right.

The problem is they're also conflating, getting COVID and having a baby.

I get they don't like science, but you know, maybe there's a first grader who could explain something to them.

Quite

possibly.

Congressman, to your good point about what your brother is doing, the deputy chief judge in Milwaukee County.

has four years now.

We've had trials remotely conducted.

We do this all the time.

Another branch of government is living in 2025 and it works and it's effective.

and justice is done.

Different branch of government, but again, a good signal to what our speakers should be thinking about.

Pat Kreitlow

That's right.

Congressman Mark Pocan is here along with Jennifer Schulze and Jim Santel as we do our little week in review here on this Friday morning.

Congressman, you started off by talking about the message that Wisconsin sent to the nation.

You were in Washington, D.C.

earlier this week and for Election Day,

You, since then, have seen that Elon Musk apparently isn't going to hang around the White House for much longer.

How much credit goes to the Wisconsin voter for possibly slowing, certainly not halting, but possibly slowing what Elon Musk and Donald Trump are doing to the economy and to Wisconsin as a result?

But first, I mean, just putting him in the shadows doesn't get rid of Elon Musk, right?

He still bought a president at $277 million, and he's not going to be going away.

This tax break is the holy grail for Republicans because of people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

So I'm not going to let a little misdirection necessarily fool me, but I do think that the message sent

was much bigger than just Elon Musk.

I mean, clearly people don't like him.

You know, he is out of central casting.

If he just walked around with his pinky in his mouth all the time, like we would complete the image, right?

But the problem is what they don't realize was the turnout we had.

I mean, to me, that was the biggest message.

We were close to midterm congressional level turnout for an April nonpartisan primary because people wanted to be heard speaking out against the Trump

musk agenda and you know to me that's the real story not just that elan musk money got wasted i'm sure he's wasted it before on things but it's the fact that he and trump's agenda is so toxic and the republicans won't listen to their constituents via town halls that uh you know people came out in droves to send a message and they did

And I think that should be the message.

If I was a Republican in a district where I won by less than 10 points, because that's what we saw with these big shifts in Florida too, I would either be figuring out how to one, listen to my constituents or two, get a discount card for Costco to buy depends in bulk.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, well, that that takes me to my to my next topic.

Speaking of depends Cory Booker giving a marathon speech on the Senate floor.

Congressman will start with you.

And then Jennifer, I want to talk to you about your column this week about again, just daily messaging about what's going on.

Congressman.

honest question to you.

Cory Booker making a 25 hour speech is being weighed anywhere from a major morale booster call to action to, you know, useless performance art.

I don't know where you are on that scale.

So tell me your thoughts on Senator Booker's performance.

First of all, that transition was masterful, Pat.

Thank you very much.

I just gotta give you a major prop side of that.

But so I'm actually a big fan of what Cory Booker did.

And I think, you know, what the message

that came out of the CR fight wasn't so much on the substance, because if you had a jury of 12 progressives looking at what House Dems did versus what Chuck Schumer, it'd probably be a 9-3 vote against Chuck Schumer, but he had a few points.

The problem was stylistically...

It was a complete zero, right?

People want to see a fight right now because people are pissed.

They're nervous.

They're worried.

I'm pissed.

I'm worried.

I'm nervous, right?

They want to see that we have the same level of reaction.

And that's where Chuck Schumer failed.

So having Cory Booker do something different outside the box on behalf of Senate Democrats.

was extremely valuable and hopefully inspires other Democratic senators to also show they can take on some leadership in what the people are asking for and make sure that we're all rising to the moment.

So when the House, a lot of Democrats are doing these town halls and Republican districts to show we're taking the fight to another level.

I think what Corey Booker did was the same in the Senate and it should be well

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received.

the need for a fact-based counter narrative to Donald Trump.

And we've talked about that from a Democratic Party standpoint with party leaders, elected officials, Congressman Polkana's a masterful at putting out occasional videos that sum up the week's headlines.

But in terms of what journalists and advocacy journalists like Rachel Maddow should be doing, you're saying there's definitely room to step up the game.

Well, she is the most watched

advocacy journalist in the country.

And she committed to be back on the air five nights a week for the first hundred days of Trump.

And I think her show has become a unique place.

The audience has grown substantially since she came back on the air.

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And

if you don't have cable, you can catch her clips on YouTube or on social media.

So, you know, there isn't the paywall consideration there necessarily.

But she is the consistent nightly.

place where you can go to make sense of what Trump is and isn't doing and how it impacts you.

And I think more, most importantly, what people are doing around the country.

There really is, because of this bifurcated media environment that we live in, it's really hard to get a sense of what's going on even in your own neighborhood, right?

But she regularly

pulls together all the protests all the activities from around the country she features local news which of course i'm a big fan of and i think sends a powerful message to the country but i also think she's a rallying point and i i feel like we just need more of that we need places where where the country can come together for fact-based information that

isn't dancing around all this both sides nonsense with Trump.

And I think she's it.

And I hope that she will stay beyond the 100 days.

I doubt that she will.

And I think that would be unfortunate.

So that's why I wrote that piece.

Trump dominates the media.

There's no question about that.

Breaking through that is really impossible, but she succeeds at that.

Nobody else really does.

Pat Kreitlow

I'm going to now try to make a transition to something more in Jim's wheelhouse, which won't be as masterful as that last transition.

But I do wonder, Jim, if there was from the beginning.

much more of a daily counter narrative if there was much more organized resistance, if you will.

If maybe we would not be seeing some of these big law firms caving the way that they have to Trump's various demands, it is an attack on the judicial system itself, on judicial independence.

And I just want to know, as you see these big law firms agree to things that Trump is demanding of them, frankly, how it makes you feel.

Right.

We've talked about this before.

It's terrible, right?

It's capitulation.

of the highest order.

There is a bit of a good news story about that, which is also covered by you and others, which is that you do have some law firms that are taking him on.

And again, in the focus of what federal judges are doing right now is the guardrails against these 100 executive orders.

You've got federal judges, including Beryl Howell, right there where the congressman spends a lot of his time in Washington, DC.

She is saying, no, you cannot do this, and she is stopping.

the execution of those orders by the General Service Administration to permit lawyers to go into courts.

And so that issue, again, why it is, number one, that these executive orders are, yes, somewhat successful.

You do have some New York firms saying, yes, we'll capitulate to this, but others also taking them on.

And why is this important?

With due respect to my own profession, lawyers, again, are also guardrails, judges are guardrails.

And the lawyers are the ones where advocates in court, you get rid of the lawyers as we have talked about before the Shakespeare quote from Henry the sixth part two and the institutions begin to fall.

That's the other piece.

That's the other educational piece that Jennifer talks about that Rachel Maddow is talking about when it comes to why those things with respect to law firms are so, so destructive.

Pat Kreitlow

Congressman, let me wrap things up with you in noting that a day or two ago, there were a handful.

of Senate Republicans that voted with Democrats on a resolution that would take away the president's power in terms of all these tariffs.

I'm sure you're going to say it's not going to go anywhere in the House, but is there significance that you're starting to see some Republicans not standing shoulder to shoulder with Trump all the way on his trade wars?

It's a scratch at this point.

That's about I can say, but I think what we were just talking about in the lawsuits, that is really significant to mention.

There's over 150 lawsuits against.

what Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing right now, we've had positive adjudications in over 50 of them.

So when people ask what can we do and they're nervous and rightfully so nervous, it's litigation and communication, you know, support the groups that are doing litigation and there's litigation trackers out there.

You can search Trump litigation tracker and find them.

But those are the very places we're having the real substantive victories.

It's not in Congress because we don't have the majority right now.

It is in the legal system.

Even Trump appointed judge

judges have ruled against him, so we do have a firewall.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, as long as we keep all this out of Eileen Cannon's court, we're fine.

From the text line from Tom in Hartford about this resistance and pushback, yes, we need a lot more of that, and then in all capital letters, a lot more, which is no doubt inspired in part by conversations like these.

Congressman Mark Pocan and Jennifer Schulze and Jim Santel.

Thank you so much, all of you.

I really appreciate wrapping up the week with you guys.

Have a wonderful weekend.

You too.

Thank

Pat Kreitlow

you.

Take

Pat Kreitlow

care.

All right.

When we come back, Dan Schumacher will be here.

We'll talk a little sports to wrap things up on Up North News Radio for this Friday morning after this on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Kathryn Lake

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All

right,

Pat Kreitlow

let's land the plane or let's bring the truck home as as the case may be as we welcome in Dan Schumacher and Greg you went You went to real classic with your grateful dead this week.

Greg Bach

I want the ultimate cut I think you know people will say touch of gray is the most recognizable, but I think when it's you're talking about the dead it's trucking and I want I haven't heard this song in like Yes

He's from the album Working Man's Dead.

Heck yeah.

Probably the most popular 70s album, Working Man's Dead, was that classic bringing in the rock and roll, the blues and the country.

Yes.

Greg Bach

That's probably my favorite studio album from them because of that country influence.

Pat Kreitlow

So let's do a little sports here.

Your cubs have their home opener today I hear.

Yes, they do at 120.

All right, going up against San Diego and in the National League.

Central division, the Cubs are in second place, a half a game behind the Cardinals, and then the Brewers are in third place with three wins, four losses, but you know, that's three wins that we weren't expecting after that series at Yankee Stadium.

That was... That was a football score, the one that gave us a

football score.

Pat Kreitlow

Not good, it was not good, but...

Again, if you're going to get it out of the way, you're going to get it out of the way early.

The Brewers continue their series against the Cincinnati Reds.

Game two of the series coverage starts at 635 on several civic media stations.

They beat the Reds last night, one to nothing with Nester Cortez bouncing back from that dreadful start in Yankee Stadium last

week.

Game two days ago, we're winning over

Pat Kreitlow

12 innings.

12 innings, yep, and the perfect bunt.

so mad that they pulled parole was it parole?

What's his parole?

Yeah,

Greg Bach

after eight innings.

I thought he was dealing leave him alone.

But that's not the brewer's way.

I'm like, is it Craig Council back?

I know that's a Craig Council move, right?

No,

Greg Bach

Craig would have pulled pulled pulled them in the the mid first inning.

So we also got we also got was a great call.

I sat there and I'm looking and watching and I'm with the group and other gentlemen and the two of us.

two guys were me and myself and another guy arguing about, okay, they were at first and third.

What do you do?

Do you send the runner to second to force a throw or do you bunt?

Pat Kreitlow

And

what do they do?

They bunt

Pat Kreitlow

it.

Right.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, put one down that every little leager should be watching.

I mean, that's exactly how you do it.

So it is nice to have baseball back.

It was a rough start.

in the beginning.

Kathryn Lake

For

Pat Kreitlow

the Cubs too, you had those two losses in Tokyo and so you got to get those things out of the way.

Now you can truly enjoy the season.

Now we were hearing from Tony up in Ashland there about the runoff, the melt off and a lot of it sadly running into his basement I think is what he said.

So you can confirm that because we had snow here in Chippewa for a little bit for a day or so and then it melted off but you've got a big melt off.

Yeah, I do.

I mean, there's water everywhere.

Pat Kreitlow

Water is

everywhere.

Like, you know, you can't even wear gym shoes outside right now.

You know, even to walk the pavement because of standing water, it's just.

Pat Kreitlow

So we've talked about that with, you know, your baseball teams, your softball teams, where sometimes you'll play a triple header just to get some of the games in.

That is

correct.

You got to go south.

So my baseball team here, because of this, we were supposed to play at the University of Minnesota Morris.

But they have snow and they have their melt off in their field of soup.

So the games are going to now get moved to Boston, Wisconsin.

Hmm.

Because they have an artificial turf stadium down there for baseball.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, okay.

So we

run that one just like River Falls gets rented out Wisconsin Lutheran.

You've got a handful of division three schools that have the artificial turf, uh, baseball fields.

So teams are renting them out because you got to get the games

Pat Kreitlow

in.

Yeah.

Uh, hey, final four this weekend.

Uh, I, I know it was all four of the number one seeds.

I don't, I don't have them in front of me.

I, I do know that I'm still, uh, like tied for first place in our bracket challenge career

Kathryn Lake

newsroom, which

Pat Kreitlow

of course is, is completely a blind squirrel finding an acorn.

Kathryn Lake

But,

Pat Kreitlow

but we're, we're, we're not surprised about that.

Everybody said this was, if ever there was a year four number one seeds, we're going to be in the final four.

This was it.

But, uh, did you

Do you have a prediction on how this is going to go?

Of course, because of

my job, I'm not allowed to gamble or fill out

Pat Kreitlow

a bracket.

Correct.

Yep.

We've said that.

Yep.

But from a picking standpoint, just for general prognosticating, I'm going to take Florida versus Duke for the national championship.

Pat Kreitlow

Florida versus Duke.

OK.

And I'm going

to take

Pat Kreitlow

Florida to win it.

Okay, see that now I did again.

I don't know why but I what I did I chose Florida to win it all and I don't know why so I'm like, okay Well, I'm just gonna I'm gonna ride my lucky guesses for as long as I possibly can and that's that's just fine

Greg Bach

if he okay I'm gonna say this right now if you win Pat if this is the thing like you in the bracket if This is ever gonna be like they were all lucky guesses Pat you are not a shaman of sports.

No,

Pat Kreitlow

not even a little bit.

No, I

Again, sometimes

sometimes you'll rather be lucky than good.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, exactly.

There it is.

We will we will take that and we will just ride with it.

And then for and again, congrats to the River Falls women, D three national hockey champions, two years in a row.

The D one men, they take a week off their final four, the frozen four is next week.

in St.

Louis.

I am not going, but I will be there in the spirit for the western Michigan Broncos.

Interestingly enough, my daughter and son-in-law

uh wanted they want to take the kids the kids are three and six

Kathryn Lake

and so

Pat Kreitlow

they're going to get to go watch the national championship down there and I hope it's a great time because they are to watch a three-year-old and a six-year-old cheering at a hockey game and I've seen a lot of snapchat videos of them at the hockey games they are fully in they know they know the they know the team they know the cheers and it's just going to be fun to watch them so I'm hoping it's it's very successful next week that's

great man that's awesome congratulations

Pat Kreitlow

yep Dan Schumacher from Northland College up in Ashland thank you so much

Six more weeks, I will be.

Yeah, well, see, you hold that.

Yep, we got

that.

May, they announced it.

It's May 24th through the 31st.

It will be a succession of days

Pat Kreitlow

as the

institution closes down.

Pat Kreitlow

And then it'll say Dan Schumacher, free agent.

Yes, sir.

All right, buddy.

I will talk to you.

I am for

hire right now,

Pat Kreitlow

ladies and gentlemen.

Keep that in mind.

Send your notes in.

Greg Bach is back in two hours for Matt and Air on Air.

I'll be back Monday morning at 6 a.m.

Have a wonderful weekend.

We'll see you Monday here up north.

Kathryn Lake

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