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The Middle Live on Max Ink Radio: Milwaukee Hard Rock with Something to Say
Max Ink Radio · Sat Oct 10, 2026
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And we got a great show for you tonight.
Felix from Capri Cheese, local artist in cheese.
Are you a cheese maker, Felix?
Yes, I am.
He's a cheese maker.
He's already here.
And an entrepreneur.
And work will be here.
We'll be talking about the workist draw.
Excuse me, and they're gonna be, work is celebrating 10 years, and they're gonna have a mini-Whisco tour, and they decided to go from seven members to 23.
They added a few people, okay?
Imagine if we brought them all in here.
Yeah, I suggested just veggies.
Let's see if they take me up on my suggestion.
It's right above the candy store.
You know, if there's the...
Yeah, there's a Japanese candy store and then you go up the stairs and there it is.
Yeah.
I haven't eaten there.
I just know somebody said they're vegetarian and I just wanted to be accommodating.
Well, yeah, there you go.
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Oh, Wild Meridian.
This song, Wild Meridian, she's actually...
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Um, and they reached out to us with some of the music.
This is like I do.
Wild Brandy and you're listening to Max, Inc.
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But I might And I don't wanna let you down But it scares me sometimes And I wanna be fearless When it feels like it's closing in Maybe I could be the one you wish
Honey, I know it ain't easy living in the middle So trust me, just a little Like I do I know holding hands won't be enough If only you could see our love like I do Like I do
Aren't you tired of coming and going?
Cause I'm not going anywhere
I'm here to stay
I wish I could stay
is from Milwaukee.
there's
And that band actually Arrow is pretty interesting.
Brian Kasparsak, he was from.
Mississippi Cactus, Milwaukee Band, like 90s.
There were kind of a 90s, early 2000s, Milwaukee Band.
And that had members of, so Arrow had members of Mississippi Cactus and members of the Buzz Horn, who I don't know if you remember them back in the 90s, but they were on Atlantic Records out of Milwaukee.
I don't know if I'd remember them, but I'm sure plenty of
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
The Buzz Horn, you know.
Milwaukee band on Atlantic Records.
So it's pretty cool.
And wow, we got a lot of stuff coming up for you tonight just around the corner.
Felix from Capri Cheese, local artist and cheese maker.
You know, he herded goats.
I think we're going to hear some goat stories tonight.
Oh, man, he's an entrepreneur as well.
We'll hear about his his cheese store.
I'm going to be giving that interview, actually.
That's right.
About that.
I'm
I've been warned, I gotta do it.
I can do it, I know it.
The work, the orchestra, they're gonna be in here, they're celebrating 10 years of work with the orchestra.
That's combining with the DB Orchestra.
So it's gonna be pretty interesting to hear that story.
And then the middle.
They're out on state street.
They're munching down.
They'll be here around seven thirty.
Get ready to play live from the from the mad city right here on Maxi.
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So let's move on.
to rockers closet.
Well, you know, I'm always surfing through rockers closet.
And I found another one because I was like, man, once I played Arrow, I was like Mississippi cactus.
Well, geez, we got to hear some Mississippi cactus.
That's the Kaspersack brothers.
They were both in that band.
Been late nineties.
I told you they made an album called Live at Irene's.
Irene's was this really cool place in Milwaukee and they put out a live album.
So let's check it out right now.
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Today I'm 25 And I'm not getting older Not saying I'm gonna die right now But the time should go
Is it not?
Yes, it's on.
That was Jane Hobson with 25.
You're going to be able to catch her on Friday, November 6th at the Burroke with Seesaw and Julia Minkin for that single release party that we were talking about earlier.
You're listening to Max and Radio.
My name is Jane with Rocker.
here in the booth for a change.
Don't worry about it, because I brought in a truly interesting interview for you all.
I was at the Middleton Farmers Market a while back when I saw the most amazing thing, cheese that was on a griddle that you could grill without it melting.
And you could put it on a stick and turn it into a nice warm cheese sickle.
So I have cheese sickle.
It's exactly what it sounds like.
So I have the mastermind right here to talk us all about our state's most iconic export.
If you wanted an inside scoop into that, now's your chance.
Felix Talhammer and his company, Capri Cheese, have been bringing artisanal cheese.
to all over the state from their home in Blue River, Wisconsin.
We'll be talking all things cheese, inspiration, the process, stories from the farmer's market, and everything in between.
Felix, welcome to Max Inc Radio.
Hi.
I am Felix.
So Felix, you're originally from Switzerland, which has a very rich cheese culture.
fondue and emmental, which is what we call Swiss cheese here.
All come from your home country.
Did your passion for cheese start in this cheese haven?
What's your background?
So yes and no.
So yes, I grew up in Switzerland.
So therefore you can hear the accent and I occasionally use wrong words, which can happen.
So forgive me for that.
But I have been in the United States since 1983.
So quite a few years.
and learned English actually here.
So I grew up speaking German and high German, Swiss German, and also Bavarian German because my parents actually came to Switzerland after the Second World War from southern Germany.
which has a completely different dialect.
And it was really fun growing up speaking all these different dialects, maybe not while I was a teenager, but later on realizing how important it is to be able to understand the nuances and why language works the way it does.
Anyway...
Coming here to the United States, not having had popular culture, it was definitely a culture shock to realize that everybody, you know, knows what the Yellowberg Road is, and I had no clue.
You know, so in my teenage years I did an apprenticeship with IBM, who everybody knows, and I became a typewriter mechanic and not a cheesemaker.
When I came here,
typers were dying out, nobody used them anymore, everybody switched to computers, and voila, I had to find something else.
And so, my son...
Yeah, this brings us right into our next question.
Like you started Capri cheese right after your son was born due to his dietary needs.
If you'd mind telling those because what those are
and how that
inspired your cheese making process.
Yeah.
So he was allergic to pretty much any dairy that was out there except goat milk.
And so then I thought, well, we can just get some goats.
And yes, that was somewhat of a disaster, but I survived that.
And all of a sudden I had two, three, four goats.
So that was hand milking.
And then it got to be eight and then
12 and all of a sudden they're close to 20.
And he grew of course older and with about three years of age, he said, ah, I don't need any more gallons of milk.
I, you know, I can do it out.
And I had all this milk and so you can't drink all that milk in the morning and for dinner.
So I started making cheese.
And I asked around and found some friends and I actually, a dear friend here at the market, his name is Willie Lainer, who unfortunately passed away just recently, was an excellent cheese maker.
a good mentor.
And he gave me some pointers and that's how I learned how to make cheese.
And then I just tried and, you know, was first making cheese in my kitchen and then I moved to the basement and got from, you know, two, three gallons up to like 20 gallons.
And that's how it sort of progressed.
And then I was making, you know, feta cheese.
Feta cheese is a very forgiving cheese and you keep it in brine and you can just stick it in the rotzeller at, you know,
55, 60 degrees.
And it's fine, assuming you know that the buckets have to be completely filled with whey and salt to preserve the product.
And I believe that that's how the Greeks and the Italians and the French did it.
And that's how you get this really fairly strong feta because it grows, it keeps on ripening while it ages at these high temperatures.
So, the main places where you sell your cheese are at the farmer's market and a few other indoor markets here in town.
Where and when can you find your cheese?
And what's this brand new place you just started selling cheese at?
So, the brand new place is Grandpa's Farm Stop.
and the Madison Public Market.
Those are the new ones.
There's another new one, the one in Middleton on Tuesday.
Unfortunately, that one is now done because it's a summer market.
But the biggest market and, you know, Dane County Farmers Market is the largest producer only farmers market in the entire United States.
So lots of people from all over.
United States and foreign countries come to this market and I cannot tell you how many people every Saturday come and say we just came we know your cheese from 20 years ago and we just you know it's the best cheese we've ever had and we want to get some more and of course 20 years ago I didn't make that kind of cheese that I have now but you know there it is I mean those are
So those are some of the outlets.
I do service some of the stores and restaurants as well.
Not as many as I did in the very beginning or during the boom time, but I'm still in a really street food cop has my cheese.
And that's pretty much the largest retailer.
Yeah.
What is the best selling cheese you think at the markets?
What's the favorite?
I would say Saint Dorian.
And often people ask me, what's this with the Saint Dorian cheese?
Who is the Saint?
Well, the guy that
I was milking the sheep at the time.
His name was Doreen Schmalberger, and he's from Romania, I believe.
Could be, yeah, we'll leave it at that.
And he also is an immigrant, but he had a farm near us, and he was shipping milk to Cedar Grove cheese, where I produce my cheese.
And I thought, well, he needs to enter it because milking sheep is not easy, especially in the beginning.
And he did this.
You know, maybe 10 years ago, maybe 12 years ago, I don't remember exactly.
But we made all sorts of different cheese, you know, including the Saint Dorian, which is a sheep milk gouda.
And the one that I have right now is about three and a half years old.
And it just tastes very clean.
And it has a good ripe cheese flavor to it.
But it's not that it's overwhelming.
And no, it's not a typical gouda, but it's made with those cultures.
So I call it a gouda.
I've always loved Gouda cheese.
It's been one of my favorites, so I'll have to pick up some St.
Dorian next time we're at the market.
So, how are the vibes different between each market?
What's your best farmer's market story?
I would say the Dane County market is by far the best market because it's so well known.
A lot of people come to the market from all over the place.
We have lots of people that come regularly from Chicago and Milwaukee.
And you come down from 80 miles away every
week.
Yes, correct.
And so the the wipes are different in the sense that there's different types of customers that come.
Some that were just gonna buy cheese that I
You know, after many, many years, they call me by name and I have no clue how they know me.
You know, and that's definitely an interesting story.
And then they tell me like little bits of nuances and that I remember, but I don't remember.
You know who that was or why they would know you know these details, but anyway, so smaller markets like the Sunday market It which is on the north side that's still going on for two more Sundays and that one is a more intimate type of market where you can talk with people and tell them stories and really let them try
And we've discussed how you grew up in Switzerland, grew up speaking all kinds of German dialects.
So what's one of the funniest misunderstandings you've had while learning English as a second language?
So I think the funniest thing is that the term is, I flatly reclined.
Meaning, you know, not.
Not agreed with something, but meaning decline means like to recline.
Yeah, you know, so I
mixed those two words up.
Yeah, exactly.
And that was super funny.
I mean, at least for my wife.
So that's the one that's most memorable sticking in my memory.
So I mean, there's a whole bunch of other ones, but you know,
give
me
a couple more.
We have a little bit of time
left.
Um.
Oh, there, I mean, that's just it.
Now, because I'm bilingual, oftentimes memory completely blanks.
We'll need to try to find something I will remember in two or three, four minutes, but not this instant, you know.
Now,
Yes.
Now,
So so high German is the standard language.
So if I would take a book or a text and read it, it would be high German because that's how we so in school, we had to learn high German.
because the spoken Swiss German is quite different.
It's like a Southern dialect here versus what we speak up here in Wisconsin.
Oh, yes.
And it's quite a difference.
So for example, my grandparents would speak high German as well, and they would not understand the Swiss German.
OK, so Felix, thank you so much for coming in.
How can we keep up with you and with Capricci online?
So I have a Facebook present and also the Dane County Farmers Market website is up and running.
So that's there and there is a really good cheese book out there.
It's called The Wisconsin Way and most of the artisan cheese makers are in there.
It's a fantastic piece of art and I would highly recommend everybody to either look at it or get it and then come to the Farmers Market Saturday morning from six to...
one o'clock, or seven to one, actually.
It was so nice to talk with you about cheese, Felix.
Thank you for coming in.
I'm so glad I found you at the Middleton Farmers Market that day, because this has been so much fun.
Hopefully we can get the word out.
Irocker, what's coming up?
Who is this 7,000 Apart?
7,000
listening to Mac sync radio.
We are local
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two thousand miles to play at a bar
So don't be me.
That's a crazy statement.
Cool.
Packers Bears game tomorrow.
Packers Bears game tomorrow.
That's right.
lose to the
I hope
Oh, no, I've never been.
was born here.
I'm not from Illinois, but but all of my mom's family who's in Illinois, they're all Bears fans.
Fortunately, not.
on Magic
And sheep.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, don't let one but you with its horns.
Hey, we got a lot of good stuff and.
But right now, we gotta play it.
Every time that the Bears are gonna play the Packers, I think we gotta play this.
It's a classic song, and it was originally recorded, made famous by the Wisconsin Polka Band Happy Schnapps Combo in 1992.
The phrase itself originated from the Green Bay Packers fans, following a famous 1989 game against the Chicago Bears.
Right now, you know what it is.
The
How many times must we take this disgrace?
Another Bears fan throwing insults in our face.
The Packers are their greatest team to ever play the game.
Even if from time to time they've been a little lame.
How could you ever love a team with Jim McMahon?
Not even poor.
Was as big a ham They got a reputation That's mostly based on luck The bears still suck The bears still suck The bears still suck The bears still suck The bears still suck The bears still suck
They make you pay a toll For Cripes sake They only want one lousy Super Bowl They make fun of Wisconsin But we don't get upset Where do you think that they're all headed?
Every chance they get We don't really hold a grudge Cause this is all in fun As far as football rivalries We're both number one Still we wouldn't mind seeing Ditka Run over by a truck Cause the Bears still suck
The bears still suck The bears still suck The bears still suck They really, really, really, really, really, really suck Yes, the bears still suck All the ladies now!
I'm
so sorry to all my family listening in Chicago right now.
But I'm also not sorry.
Oh, that was
Remember when they played right here in the studio?
How could I ever forget?
Wow.
still talk about them to this day.
Keelum Bear Us.
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for the people.
Hi, Alice.
Yeah, this one goes out
That's right.
She loves Horace Green.
And so do we all.
They're such a great band.
That was from their 2026 album Power Lounge.
That's their latest stuff right now.
And before that, we heard Nighttime Boy from their 2025 release.
And you can catch Horace Green duo.
up at Sway Brewing and Blending Company that's all the way up in Bayleys Harbor up in Door County.
And what a fun time that would be to go, you know, have you noticed that a lot of these bands play during the fall up in Door County?
It's beautiful up there in the fall, isn't it?
I might
I've actually run into a few bands that are playing up there while I've been on vacation.
It's always pretty fun.
So they'll be at Bailey's Harbor in Door County at 4pm at the Sway Brewing and Blending Company.
That is Horace Green.
My name is Rocker.
Jane is here in the studio and we still have lots of stuff coming up tonight.
Of course, we had Felix from Capri Cheese.
Thanks, Felix.
He's driving back 80 miles to his farm.
Oh, yeah.
is insane.
In the best way possible.
We're going to have Frank and D-
Daniel in here in a minute.
They've changed into the orchestra for celebrating their 10 year anniversary and they got a little mini whisco tour.
We'll hear all about that and the middle.
They are here right now.
They got back in from hitting States Street.
So we'll hear about where they went on States Street to eat and they'll be performing live from the Mad City tonight.
They're out here from Milwaukee and then wow.
That is pretty cool.
Now go to maxinkradio.com to see what's playing now.
You can follow along.
You can see what song is playing before we even announce it often.
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And find all the ways to listen.
People Brothers Band, wow, they are such a great band.
They're going to be playing Saturday, October 24th at Craw Daddies on Greenfield in West Dallas.
And Saturday, October 31st, that's Halloween popcorn tavern up in La Crosse.
So if you're going to La Crosse, which that'd be a really fun time to go party in La Crosse on Halloween.
And if you're not going to La Crosse, listen to us because we're going to be broadcasting too.
We
This may be the only way the world barely goes, and the facts still remains.
We do all kinds of talking, but ain't trying to change.
Think it's time to wise up, take a step in the right direction.
Try and
imagine a world
where the music we hear had never fallen on blind eyes.
We lived so deaf ears, if never our song was a song due to lack of communication.
What if
all
of the instruments took to their own?
And forget about lyrics, they don't get along It's one for one, not for all, I can hardly stand the th-
Now don't get me wrong, there is music in all that we hear.
The laugh of a child, the storm drawing in.
But it's a song that can take me back and keeps my soul feeding.
And I just don't know where I would be without music today.
But the love once appeared on my mom and daddy.
This love in my heart and share it with the world.
how much better would this world be such beautiful harmony if you live your life like a song
by me is so
That is Brett Nuske.
And you know, Brett was just out on tour in Europe.
He's finished up a European tour.
So he'll be coming back here.
Hopefully we'll know about some American shows coming up right here in Wisconsin.
Of course, he's from Milwaukee and I'm rocker here with Jane.
You're listening to Maxink radio just around the corner.
We have work in the orchestra.
Daniel and Frank are coming in to talk to us about their upcoming.
orchestra show.
Oh, they just walk in the studio.
So we're going to hook them up.
We have them just around the corner of the hour.
Plus we'll be playing some work right now.
Let's talk about the electric spanking.
Excellent band name.
What?
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Catch all the green and gold and red and white football action on 14 big screen TVs with cold beer, great food and Game Day specials all game long.
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Bring your crew.
some wings and get loud.
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Go LazioFlound.com.
Noah's Ark Pet Center is a little store on Madison's north side with a lot of character where employees really get to know you and your pet's needs.
But the best part?
The kitten's roaming the store.
It's cat therapy every day at Noah's Ark Pet Center.
Ask about feline adoption services too.
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We'll find out where that's from from the guys in a moment.
My name is Rocker, here with Jane Year, listening to Max Inc Radio.
For 10 years, Madison's work has been bringing together funk, progressive rock, jazz fusion, and jam band improvisation, earning the band two Madison Area Music Association Artist of the Year awards.
And now as they mark their decade together, they're taking things to a whole new level.
with the orchestra, an ambitious collaboration with 17 piece DB Orchestra led by an idea from saxophonist Daniel Haschke.
Respect saxophonist.
This limited run project reimagines work originals, popular covers and new material with full brass section and a big band power.
The orchestra debuts October 16th at Madison's Barrymore Theater.
with Milwaukee and Appleton dates to follow.
Daniel, Frank, welcome to Max, Inc.
Radio.
Thank you so much.
Got to talk into this part.
A pleasure to be here.
want a quick correction first.
That music we just heard was played by D.B.
Orchestra, actually.
that was live at Jazz at Five from a few years ago.
I love the alchemy.
Oh, yeah.
That's not too far away from the Barrymore.
People are looking for a spot.
Wow.
And so many to choose from.
But I'm in the mood for like a comfy dive bar food.
And I love the Carries Burgers over by Fish Hatchery.
that's cool.
I live right by there.
I still haven't been there yet, though.
I need to try.
You
got
to go.
A Han has to be near the top of me, too.
Yes, of course.
I would say, yeah, I mean, one of the biggest turning points is Daniel joining the band, I would say that was before we won either of the Madison area artists awards.
And so, yeah, that was huge, obviously, for a whole bunch of different reasons, just kind of like affirming the big band sound.
Before that, we were like a jam band with a trumpet player.
And then once we got Daniel, I was like, oh, we've got horn arrangements now.
We've got the big band funk sound that we can bring.
I don't know, a big turning point.
I feel like the pandemic was also like a hard, hard year for us, but it was cool to come out of that.
release some new music in 2021 and win the Madison area artist of the year in 2022.
So, I don't know, it's just been good just traveling around and making music.
Not too many huge turning points, I would say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's interesting to think about, you know, because part of it feels like like it hasn't been nearly that long and
part of it feels like
it's been our entire lives, you know.
And like, you know, like 10 is an arbitrary number to pick as like one to celebrate.
But it's for me, I've been like feeling like going through this year, especially like going through like working on this orchestra project, like with a lot of gratitude for.
the musicians that I've played with and also just like met along the way and also just the music community that we've grown to be a part of over these past 10 years.
So that's kind of why I were doing the work is just to say thank you to everybody who's been with us for this whole time.
Yeah, so that is another band that I happen to be in.
It's a jazz band that formed 11 years ago, mostly of marching band alumni, UW marching band.
Apparently there's a sect within the marching band culture that was really into swing dancing.
So they wanted a band that they could
dance to live.
So the band leader Andy Kerber set up the DB Orchestra.
We played for a few years for the school and now we play for like weddings and events all
It's a trade secret.
come to the Barrymore on the 16th and I'll tell
right.
It feels like a crazy wall of sound like I mean, we sound we sound like a big.
have like strong band when we when we like, for example, omit the one and land on two as a group.
Imagine that.
But like, you know, like with all that acoustic air moving at you, it really is something special.
It's pretty awesome.
Yeah, I was first inspired by like bands that play with like literal string orchestras.
That's kind of how I started arranging it.
But as we were working on the arrangements, I was like, oh, we could really go into like
the tower power of it all or like the earth went on fire and like it's like really have like the energy and like adrenaline of all of those horns.
I mean, you know, a lot of times people are maybe thinking like, oh, you know, they just getting like some new people, they show up at practice, you know, rehearse and you go play.
But when you're adding this many horns and this many things, this, does this become like a writing exercise?
Are you writing this stuff down or or or documenting?
I mean, how
How do you go about doing that to take your music to all these different instruments?
It's this project has been over a year in the making, honestly.
Like because I last year were like, oh, 10 years coming up like this is if we're going to do this project, let's start right now, you know.
Yeah.
And.
Yeah, it's a part of it like with the songs that work is already played.
I was just taking my experience of arranging for Carl and I and just like.
Multiplying that by 10 or whatever.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I arranged like a little more than half of all the music that we did and Andy Kerber, the
incredible arranger.
Oh, that's cool.
Well, that's pretty crazy.
You know you're working with mama and high music to get donated instruments into the cans hands of kids And was there an instrument or a person who helped you make music possible for you when you were young?
And what do you hope this drive can do for other kids?
Yeah, for me it was my my uncle and neighbor And my parents kind of in collaboration with him and my older brother who were all kind of
My uncle and neighbor was like a guitarist performer singer And then and then my brother started playing guitar and then I got into it and they really kind of lit that fire for me Yeah, so that was a privilege I had growing up to have a family and a neighbor Who were musicians and also were able to help me get an instrument to play but
yeah, and I think
just the public school system, like the music programs that they have, you know, was really the catalyst for me, like as a band,
horn band player to get my hand on an instrument and just figure out what music is.
The orchestra.
is playing three shows around Wisconsin in October.
The kickoff is at the Barrymore Theater in Madison on October 16th, then the Miramar Theater in Milwaukee's East Side on October 23rd, and then up to Appleton in the Fox Valley on October 24th.
Talk about your upcoming mini tour.
I mean, it must be a tough job managing that many schedules and honestly, that many meals.
We still gotta figure out the meal part.
Yeah, if any restaurants out there want to sponsor our shows, we'd be happy to include you in this last advertisement run.
Yeah, tag us on
Instagram.
Um, like, well, like when I was working, we were working on this project.
I was like, at first, like, let's just do this one big show in Madison.
And then I was like, we're doing so much work, we can't do just one
show.
You
know, we have to, we have to at least like, like spread love around.
Um, and, uh,
I don't know.
Just like, thankfully, when I pitched this idea to work and to DBO, everybody was just really on board with like discovering what this idea is going to be that they were flexible and made it all work.
Wow.
Work.
Yeah.
And we had, we scheduled it super far in advance.
So that was the other way that we could get all three and say, like, all right, all 23 of us are going to do these three dates together.
And yeah.
Yeah.
And.
Over our 10 years, work has played Milwaukee a bunch and Appleton a bunch to make those places kind of feel like a little home away from home.
Right.
So we figured that would be great spots to go back to with this project.
Oh, no, they do have a stage, too.
We'll be up on the stage.
I know the house was like that, but but ours won't be like that.
The Fox City's Performing Arts Center.
Yeah at work the band on Instagram Facebook YouTube all of the You know streaming platforms our website is work the band calm But yeah next for us is these huge shows I mean we've got some debut new work tunes that will be debuted at these shows including the first ever Daniel hashki, you know
composed piece as well as, you know, adding 17 people to some of our other work arrangements.
So these are these are we're full send on these right now.
Yeah, it's kind of been kind of in a little tunnel visions.
Like let's let's figure this out.
Let's get through this.
Then we got a little mini Halloween tour.
And then we're going to say, OK, what's next?
Now we'll figure it out.
Next month.
Oh, we're recording it live.
So so we'll send you some.
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It was really exciting.
We got a full band in here today.
drummer.
He's right in here today.
Forged in Milwaukee's local bars and taverns, the middle delivers, formed in 2024.
The four piece band brings together musicians who have spent decades crossing paths in the Milwaukee music scene.
And what began as a recording project with vocalist Nigel singing demos for drummer Rich Siegert, it grew into a full band featuring guitarist Steve Dragunchuck and bassist Dave Smith.
And the middle, they
completed recording an 11 song, double EP slated for early 2027 and have shows coming up in Milwaukee and West Alice.
Here in the studio with us, Rich, Steve, Dave and Nigel, the middle is live from the Mad City.
Guys, welcome to Max, Inc.
Radio.
Hello.
Thanks for having
the name?
It was the
I think it was.
Oh, State Street Brats.
Great
I live near a cafe Hollander.
So that's that's where I go because I can walk to it.
So it's an easy place.
Although pizza man's right over there is also pretty good.
Yeah.
I duck.
All
I was incredibly stage shy when I was a kid, would never talk in front of anybody.
So I started just singing in the basement.
I'd grab a baseball bat and that'd be my mic stand.
Just singing in the basement and my
Parents and my brother were always big into singing like when we would go to church like they were loud singers.
So Yeah
Very much in my brother's footsteps.
He was a he was a big singer and I was he influenced me that way
other instruments?
Are you just a singer?
I would really say I'm just a singer.
I can play bass clarinet.
That's about it.
I own two guitars and a bass guitar, but I don't play them.
A lot of different stuff.
Again, my brother was the heavy influence on that.
I always say my favorite band is Living Color and that Corey Glover for that band is a huge influence on me singing.
But I listened to everything jazz.
Pretty much countries about the only thing I didn't really listen to.
again a pretty good mix my dad was known for having a pretty like a huge vinyl collection I remember as a kid being frightened by his kiss album covers He was a big he was a huge steely Dan guy.
so that's the my other band that I started with Had a friend who we did
coffee houses when we were in college after working together at the college radio station.
And I had to get out of my shell playing just in front of him before I got comfortable enough to sing in front of people.
And then after singing at coffee houses, I graduated college, met up with a couple other old friends that were starting a band and got my friend from college to join us.
And so we just started playing that way.
Let's get to live music from the Mad City with the middle presented by the Aaron Weber group.
The first song that you have for us tonight is called Flawed Philosophy.
We've played it here on Maxing Radio.
And this just sounds like a downward spiral.
Is Socrates rolling over right now?
Probably.
The whole idea is just that we get totally caught in our echo chambers of the algorithms and just...
then everybody has lost sight and actually celebrates the lack of empathy, which is definitely a negative on society.
So that's
Pick up the
You're listening to Max Inc Radio live from the man city.
That was pretty cool, man.
That was a rock and tune, man.
Let's keep going around the room and we land with a bassist Dave Smith.
Dave, how did you start getting played?
How did you get started playing music?
And what's your backstory?
Playing music didn't happen until probably in college, but I.
had like an uncle that was in a band my whole life growing up.
And actually they just they might even still be playing, but they've been around for 50 years and same band there.
So I was seeing them all the time, had cousins that played stuff.
And, you know, and I had an older brother and sister that kind of got me into all sorts of different music and
They had everything from like yellow and foreigner to tall notes and, you know, all kinds of different stuff.
So.
cool.
Now, did you start with bass?
I pretty much did.
I did a little guitar, but I'm really not very good at that.
I actually took guitar in
it was one class, you know, the class, everybody's sitting around playing acoustic guitar, singing rainbow connections.
So, you know.
Nice.
Three bands that start the year and actually Steve, the guitar players and those other ones as well.
So we played a couple of different shows this year, but those bands, one of the bands kind of broke up and the other ones semi retired because our drummer moved to Minneapolis.
But yeah, they're pretty big shows.
We played it one called Chill on the Hill in Milwaukee.
It's kind of a big outdoor thing, pavilion and everything.
There's probably like a thousand people there.
So that was a.
pretty good one.
And then the other one we played at Shane called down in Milwaukee.
So how did you juggle
off three of those projects at
once when you were in?
Well, you try and keep it all straight, you know, but that's where it's like, you know,
you move to the next one, you know.
up with
That's a good question.
That is deep.
Perseverance.
Milwaukee can be a pretty tough scene for original music.
So I mean, in a way, though, it just encourages you to keep doing your own thing because there's not.
There's not a particular scene that's going to pull you one way or the other.
So it's my take on it.
Yeah,
I
mean, there is there.
I mean, there is a scene.
I think it's it's more of a slightly alternative punkish scene that's out there for the like more of the younger bands that are out there.
But.
But there's a little bit of everything.
Yeah, there really is Milwaukee.
I don't Milwaukee's never one that I think has had one set sound.
out there.
Yeah.
Like I said, if you're making original music, it's really probably trying to get as much into the city as possible.
The further outside of the city you get, the harder it is if you're making original music.
A lot of places you might get in if you know somebody kind of thing, but
right.
And a lot of times I think it's connecting with another band to get you in there,
you know, swap shows.
Bands are always looking for somebody to play with so that, yeah, so you can make that connection.
So like, hey, we can come play with you guys in Madison.
If you guys can play with us in Milwaukee.
Uh, Kachanskis, he's really
owns Kachanskis.
he's fantastic.
He's really good with original bands.
Um, we've found the uptowner in
last, uh, we'll be
there coming
Yep.
Yep.
Um, but I mean all the places that we sort of.
you know, cut our teeth and they're all going away.
Like BBC's and North Avenue, they're
all just kind of disappearing.
BBC's the globe, like all those places that we originally played.
that's such a
club.
I got lucky with draft tests, we really wanted to play there and we set a gig and didn't know, like we walked in and we saw our name on the board and it said,
It's the third last show and we're like, oh, I'm glad we got in when we did.
month.
I don't know if it's wasted on the young, but I.
Really think about when you're a kid you can't wait for something to come up.
You're like, okay It's taking too long to get here.
Yeah, and
then you really realize when you get older You're like, oh no that went by really fast.
Yes
any 182 here.
Oh No, not on this
one
everybody must get stoned.
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is the middle, all the way out here from Milwaukee.
Thanks guys for driving out here.
That's really good.
Now let's give the drummer some.
Oh no.
We're gonna have to get him a moment so he can get over to a microphone.
Well he's the one guy that doesn't sing, so he doesn't have a microphone in front of him.
Yeah, talk right into that one there.
Hello Madison.
How are you all doing?
We're doing awesome.
Let's give the drummer some, right?
Drummer Rich Siegert, how did you get started playing music?
What's your backstory?
Talk right into that microphone.
I started
in sixth grade and Took formal lessons all the way through and played in concert bands and jazz bands and marching bands and Every kind of rock band you can imagine all the way through high school college all the way through to now And then I got into recording
bought
That was like 80, 1980 or something.
go.
And then, because I play guitar based drums and I can sing a little bit.
So I just do one man band to write the songs and record them on myself.
Oh, wow.
And then show them to the band and then we
play them.
And then we say no.
And then we
go,
no.
Well,
Oh, really?
Now, I think we had mentioned that the whole kind of band started a little bit.
We'll get to that in a moment with you and the drummer.
Now, tell us about your inspirations on drums.
Oh, Bonham.
My favorite drummer, Bonham.
Oh, God, yes.
Yeah.
Who else do you listen
to?
Stuart Copeland, I really like this one.
Yeah, underrated.
Oh, God.
We used to play in everything from roller skating rinks.
What?
That is the truth.
We dating himself.
They put us in a roller rink and we played an entire rock concert while people were roller skating.
You
was very weird.
Yes, it was weird.
But as long as we got paid, we did it.
That was cover
Oh, God, that was probably 1990 or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right towards probably the end of they were trying to do anything to get people in, I think.
So we called it rock and roller skating.
after where'd you get, you had all the 13-year-old girls following you around for a while.
Yeah, it was a little weird.
Don't blame it on me.
How
get?
Sorry.
Do that again.
How
did you get started playing music now?
How did they?
How did they?
No, no, no
like the mid eighties, I had this really sweet mullet and I thought,
can I do with this thing?
And so I actually wanted to play the drums.
And my mom said, you're not playing drums
house here.
Why not?
Well, because, you know, my dad, he was a jazz drummer.
OK.
Briefly, he was
in a band called the Melotones way back in the day.
I thought, well, can I get into that?
And then mom didn't want the noise in the house.
So that was really it.
Turned into guitar from there.
your dad playing in the house?
No, no, no, so he had given it up long before that So
the back of my head that he had done that and I thought well if dad could play drums Why can't I and did they buy your guitar for you or did you?
No, so the first one that I had I bought it from a friend of mine in high school For like 300 bucks.
It was made of plywood.
It was built in Korea together red
Ugly, but you know it did the trick back then so it's like you know in 1986 Yeah, I know well I didn't know what I was getting into with this though
this thing here Well, this is actually handmade in Tuscany and I'm not kidding.
Yeah.
Yeah Tell us a little bit about it.
yeah, so it's custom-made
Custom made it.
It was like 2,800 bucks took about a year for him to build.
It's a one man shop out there.
Wow.
Yeah.
So it's, it's, you know, one of a kind love it.
Very cool.
What is up with that ban, Rich?
So Rich is also the drummer.
Yeah, I mean, we kind of went through, we kind of, we, we kind of went through some stuff a little while ago.
I mean, our, our, you can, you know,
Identify with this our bass player had a heart attack.
yeah, yeah, you know we there was some loss some personal loss here and there and then Sam our singer
his thyroid blew up and it was like the size of a can of soup.
It actually grew behind his ear.
Well,
I mean, he
would be practicing with us and all of a sudden he'd go like this and we're like, what the heck are you doing?
Why do you keep doing that?
And then they went in and they discovered it had grown super big behind his ear like that.
So
two day surgery kind of thing.
Wow.
So, but we're still going.
Well, let's
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Welcome back to live from the mad city on max inc radio We're here with the middle and they drove out here all the way from Milwaukee to perform here in the studio tonight and Let's get back to it
Several of you guys have played together in previous bands, including Dr. Chang, Bright-Eyed, and Blind, and Blamin' on Cain.
What does that history bring to the middle, and what feels different this time?
Oh, you're pointing at me.
What feels different this time?
I don't know.
I was really, when Rich originally put this whole thing together and it was just going to be a recording thing, I was super excited to get to play with Nigel.
I've been a fan of Drop Test for a long time.
You guys have two great albums.
I was hoping for a third.
They haven't done it yet.
we kind of roped him into doing this.
So I mean, it's really, I've had good experiences in all of the bands that I've really been in.
I can think of one where there was kind of this.
like ugly sort of breakup, but
into each one.
I mean, it's it's just fantastic to get to play with different people and see what you can create.
And here we have a, you know, just kind of a different element.
You know, Dave has filled in with Blamon Kane from time to time because we go through bass players like crazy, you know, but just having somebody else and see how they write and how they work.
And I can, you know, when we're kind of jamming out a song, he kind of goes off to the side, Nigel goes off to the side there and just starts calculating in his head what he's going to do, the melodies, the lyrics, all that stuff.
So it's fun.
a
Yeah.
I can't speak for everybody else, but I actually don't think I have all that strong.
I'm much more just chill.
I just want to have fun and make music.
I want to make art.
And so it's a little easier for me.
I'm very much go with the flow.
And
Yeah
Yeah, we had so I had gone to high school and graduated with Sam the lead singer for believe it on Kane And so he had asked Ted talked to us a while back and we started playing shows with them
And then gradually over time, just a little bit here and there, Rich would kind of come over and kind of put some feelers out.
And I could tell he was really nervous about it.
And I remember thinking, you know, to be nervous, I'm really nothing.
That's fine.
And then he invited me to come over and I came over to his place and recorded on a couple of songs.
And he just kind of liked what we were doing and then talked about doing some more stuff with all the rest of the guys.
Yeah, Rich was like, we got to get Dave.
We got to get Dave in the band.
Do you think Dave will do it?
Will Dave do it?
What do you think?
Will Dave do it?
And then, yeah.
And then to
because all my stuff is at his house.
So,
Yeah.
And it's that same thing about being kind of like chill and going with the flow.
Because when you're younger, you have this idea like, oh, maybe this is going to be something.
Now I'm closing in on a half century.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm just happy to make music, have fun, and get my thoughts out there in a way.
And that's good enough for me.
So for me, it's a little more chill.
I don't feel any kind of pressure that I did when I was younger.
Yeah, I definitely Yeah, I think the you know, the whole thing like you're trying to get signed to a record label and you know, and then now suddenly you're like, wow, you know, I really want to advance my creativity and become fulfilled, right?
We'll talk about the upcoming EP in just a minute.
But right now, the middle is release singles reality and flawed philosophy.
Where can people download and listen to these songs?
Yeah, you can get on Bandcamp.
We have them both out there.
I think we also have them on Reverb Nation as well.
We have a little sampler CD.
We're going to leave a bunch of them scattered around the radio station here and play hide and
seek with
them later.
So, yeah.
Yeah, since we aren't going to hear reality on this show, tell us about that one a little bit maybe.
Yeah, so the ID, well, so.
Steve had the music.
Yeah, I remember he played the music and I immediately and I know Dave had the same thought we're like, we need to do something with that one.
It's too excellent.
And I remember I took it home that night and started trying to put ideas to it.
And it's just kind of the idea.
It's kind of similar to what's kind of a spiritual cousin to blink in the idea that reality is just it's about now.
It's learning that nostalgia is cool, but that's it's gone.
You can't can't bring it back.
So try to focus on.
The here and now, which is fitting with the conversation we had earlier about living in the now, just experiencing what you have right now.
That's the whole idea.
You
Yeah, give us the full scoop.
Yeah.
So this one was heavily inspired by a couple of different people that I've known who have lived their life completely to the fullest and.
One of them was a friend of mine from college.
Her father had passed away and we had this again, another one that he had acoustic and had the whole thing recorded and I was driving back from the funeral for this father of the friend and just started kind of coming up with lyrics.
I just quick turned my phone on and recorded while I was driving back from up north in Wisconsin and was just inspired by that and the other people that I know that live their life to the fullest and just don't worry they're gonna live so like
they may not have as long of a life as some other people, but you know that they lived it completely.
Like, they kind of went out probably at the time that they were going to, because they had already lived everything to that point.
kind of the inspiration with the name a little bit.
His nickname was Skunk, and so that's the black and white kind of inspiration in the name, so.
Really, really, super cool guy, just a super cool guy.
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Beyond Monochrome, this is the middle live from the Mad City on Maxync Radio.
The middle have just finished recording an 11 song WP with two different producers working in the same building.
Why split the project between two producers?
And we're listeners here, two distinct personalities in the finished record.
Well, it's complicated.
One guy, he's kind of in jail right now, but we don't want to talk about that.
We want to talk about the second experience that we had with Ryan.
That was the producer that did the next six songs that we're going to have out.
Oh,
Yeah.
And
sounds were just very different between the two of them, even though it was the same building.
So we just decided to do a double EP release.
I don't know any other band that has done a double EP release.
I think some of it's just waiting for that.
Right band where it clicks because sometimes you know certain bands don't feel a song when you write it
Yeah,
and then when you bring it to a different band it clicks and I think that was like with reality that we talked about before
I felt incredibly lucky because I was like people been passing on that right
Yeah, Steve brought that into one of our other bands bright-eyed and blind and nobody else wanted to do it I'm like I want to do that You know and
so it kind of fell back and then we got it here from the middle So there's things like that can happen
big believer with both things
that anytime somebody starts doing something like quick turn on something, let's record that, it may come back later.
Don't wanna lose a good idea.
Maybe when I was younger, not so much now.
What's this song about?
It's very much just straight rock and roll, lust.
It's putting yourself out there and saying, uh, here's, here's what I can offer.
Take it or leave it.
Um, it's, uh, it's the ideas.
I got the idea from soccer when a player's on loan.
Yeah.
And
it's the idea that you're putting yourself on, I'm on loan.
You don't have to, you don't have to go for a longterm purchase.
Let me know if it works.
If we get good reviews, then we can, we can make it a longterm purchase, but you know, see what happens.
You're listening to live from the Mad City on Max, Inc.
Radio.
Uh, the middle has a few shows coming up in the Milwaukee area.
Um, November 14th, you guys are at the uptowner on center and Humboldt on Milwaukee's East side and the uptowner has been around forever.
Oh, what's it like to play that club?
I mean, like many bars, it's a house that's now a bar over in Milwaukee.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's
It's good.
It's a small little place.
Yeah, like you said, it's been there forever.
And, you know, it's kind of come in and do your own sound there as well.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
kind
of like, here's the equipment.
Go for it.
You know, so it's but it's fun.
It's and we're playing with Eric's other band Drop Test that night, too.
So
yeah, it's a it's a I really like I just love the decor.
Like it's a really cool vibe like all the artwork and stuff they have on the walls.
There's some really cool paintings and stuff.
I don't really like I dig it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Milwaukee's oldest.
Is that what it is?
Is that what you said?
Is it really?
It's
bars.
I
didn't
know that
I love how out in Milwaukee, you know, you drive through the neighborhoods and there's just like bars that are just converted in our homes that are converted into bars, like literally on a whole house, a whole block full of houses, right?
I mean, it's crazy.
That's Milwaukee.
December 19th, you're at Camp Karma in West Alice.
Talk about that venue.
I mean, is the stage in a tent or something?
No, we have to move the pool table out of the way and the dark boys and they kind of clear out a spot for us and back.
I mean, it's a
size.
It's bigger than a hole in the wall, but not by much.
But yeah, it's a cool little West Alice location.
And we played it a few times with
Dr.
Chang.
Yeah, Dr. Chang played there.
And we did.
That's right.
Practice.
It was practice that night.
So Cam
Carman is one of those bars that they'll
Yeah, exactly.
Is that where I want to see you guys?
And they have the dog wandering around everywhere.
There's like a dog that lives there, basically.
Oh, you can't bring your own dog,
right?
I don't know.
Might be able to.
I don't know.
Dog friendly place.
There's a few.
There are a few of those in the city.
So
Yeah.
see.
So the funny thing is this was built off of a base line by Dave and he
It was inspired by I
thought it sounded a little bit like Perry Mason from Ozzy.
Yeah.
little bit like this.
So as a running joke, we started calling it Kojak to pick a different, you know, 80s era guy.
Investigator.
Yeah.
And then that became the inspiration for for lyrics.
Like I didn't really know what I was kind of doing with it.
And I started asking questions because Kojak was known for who loves you, baby.
So I started kind of just doing a lot of who's questions in the chorus.
And then I'm like.
Okay, let's just make it about investigating a disastrous relationship.
And so, and then we just stuck with the name Kojak.
One.
Yeah, I mean, that's probably the biggest thing that.
Get him out of the cave, please.
Thank you.
We got to take care of that.
And we have it all done.
It's recorded.
It's going to be mixed, mastered, all that good stuff.
We just did our first.
What, professional band photo shoot?
It was kind of weird and awkward, but whatever.
Yeah, did you take it at train tracks or in the forest?
No, that we specifically said
we're
not going to do
that.
They found a really cool venue in Milwaukee on Velit called Dandy.
Mostly for events and an event space, but they have really cool vintage electronics and stuff.
Furniture.
Furniture, yeah, it's a super awesome place.
Yep, so we don't have an official website.
We can you know, you could check out Facebook.
What is it Facebook dot com?
When I
have found people tell me that the easiest way to find is if you search the middle band if you just do the middle you kind of get so many other options
I
mean so it's the middle on Facebook I should say when you're searching I should correct that yeah
What's
what's the middle name like where did it come from?
Yeah, where did I think Dave you came up with that?
I think it was more.
Yeah, just that there isn't a lot of Middle left in the country anymore.
You know, we need to get everybody back more to the middle instead of being polarized of either side.
Oh,
can't be right.
Bandcamp.
So well, gosh, we got a couple of shows coming up.
We're going to we're going to be taking a little break here, Jane.
We're going to be off on break and Rob Roberts will be in here for a couple of weeks and then we'll be back here on Halloween and have a Halloween show.
We're going to be watching all the craziness that's going to be happening from right here out of our window.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah,
I'm actually dressing up as Weird Al this year.
Oh, really?
I think for part of it, I'm going to be like, I may be asking Rob Roberts to cover for me after 645, but we'll see how it
goes.
So you're going to dare to be stupid.
Yeah.
right here at the end of the show.
Well, thanks for having us back.
I know that we were supposed to be here in April.
And what we have Larry.
Yeah,
I had infinite
laryngitis.
Laryngitis ever.
And of course, it was right when we had like like three shows lined up.
I'm like, and can't do any of these.
Oh,
But we were so grateful to have you.
Yeah,
See you
next week.
See you.
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