Vaccines, The Food Pyramid and Being Your Own Advocate (Hour 2)

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You know that voice.

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It's been way too long since we've had her on.

She is the host of the Dr. Kristen Lyley show here on Civic Me at noon on Saturdays, right?

Noon now.

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Also, we are in Chicago on WCPT, AMA 20.

And last weekend, we debuted in Atlanta on Sundays at Noon Eastern.

So this is spreading.

And man, it is exciting.

This is the host of the Dr. Kristen Lyley show.

Someone who I will eventually be like, I remember her when.

I remember her back in the day.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here.

If you didn't already know that, you've got to know the voice.

But oh my goodness, I didn't know.

You're syndicating in two cities, and you got your show.

And you know what?

Honestly, before we get into any of that, before we get into any of the trauma vaccines and whatnot, and actually had a really great conversation during The Secret Show, which by the way, if you want to know more about The Secret Show, that's on the live stream.

It's

it's

it's full.

It's still censored because we're on the radio, but we're having fun time there discussing other things.

We'll talk more about that though.

But the secret show is where it's at for the live stream.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely.

I feel like we don't ever discuss this because there's so much to talk about, but tell us about your show itself.

It's it's not just medical.

It's not it's it's it's community.

It's talking to people.

It's having good conversations, which is what we are all about here at civic media.

But tell me more about the syndicated.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely Show.

It's wild.

It's evolved so much because it really started as a civic media product in Northeast Wisconsin.

And the goal was to shine a light on some of the cool stuff that was happening in Green Bay and Dark County and Appleton.

And then it grew and became statewide.

So we started talking with more folks about statewide issues.

And then we were in Chicago and now we started talking about more regional issues.

And now it's in Atlanta and it's got national, national flavor, but there's definitely

a heavy dose of Wisconsin there.

So for example, in last week's show, I talked with one of my colleagues who's an OBGYN PA.

Her name is Nikki.

You'll see her as Nikki Vink all over social media.

And we talked about what we were talking about in the secret show, Greg, how to advocate for yourself as a patient, how to prepare yourself to go to the doctor, have your questions ready, make sure you've got the right appointment, especially when you're talking about something that is sensitive because so much of our healthcare, whether you're seeing your OBGYN.

and doctor

or

you're talking to somebody about your weight.

That

stuff is so personal and you need to be armed and ready to have these conversations.

Otherwise, you know, your doctor is your nurse practitioners.

They don't have a ton of time because of restrictions with our healthcare system.

So you've got to make the most of your time.

You've got to go in knowing what you need and who your allies are.

So that was our show last week.

This week.

Oh my gosh.

I did not know this, but just Craven.

Many

of

us follow Jess Craven on social media.

She's got an amazing sub stack.

She does a lot of this.

She does a lot of organizing.

She gives us hope with her chopwood carry water daily affirmation.

I try carrying water once my back hurts

now.

So yeah,

one thing at a time, a little glass of water maybe.

But Jess is brilliant on Instagram and TikTok.

She just gives you that little dose of here's what's happening in the world and here's what you can do about it.

She's been doing it for almost 10 years.

So Jess and I are having the conversation

tonight.

But in my research for the show, I found out that her name, Jess Craven.

Yeah, is Wes Craven.

The horror movie guy, the guy who made Nightmare on

Elms.

You cut out a little bit, Jess Craven.

Is that a reference or she's related to?

It's her dad.

Oh, man.

RIP.

RIP.

In Scream 2.

I know.

So like that's a whole other.

I like that.

Wes

Craven.

In Scream 2.

of

all she was in scream too but her dad was was craven who made it was like the godfather of all of the you know legendary foundational horror movies so uh yeah we're gonna have some good conversations about the horror movie that we're living in right now and uh how we can how we can survive it i'm really excited about this conversation that's what's happening next weekend

And like we said, you can always listen to that show live from 12.

It's 12 to one, correct?

Or is it how long is it?

I'm sorry.

It used to be one, now it's another, and I'm timeless of construct.

Yeah, it is.

It's 12.

It's not live.

It's taped.

Oh, but I know

nothing.

I know

tape and broadcast and on the app.

Of course.

Yeah, I was going to say, if

you, if you want to go to civic media dot us slash shows, you can find it there.

Uh, the Dr. Kristen Liley show, you can download episodes, always listen to them on your, on your time.

And then as well, you can listen to it live on the civic media app.

And I mean, that's the thing is for.

It just made sense to have you here doing this work because it's an extension of the work you've been doing on all the shows for years now, being this wonderful advocate, not just for the medical world or for people to understand the medical world, but also understanding the news that's coming out of the medical world.

And I wanted to say something really quick to what you were talking about as far as advocating.

And this is coming from a person who is not a doctor.

I am a patient, which is if you're not feeling it with your doctor or nurse practitioner, move on.

I know

that might

seem hard, but you need to have a functioning relationship at the very least.

It has to feel like you're getting something out of it, but if you feel like you're taking their time and they're not really even paying attention to you in that short window you get,

then you need to move on because I think that's important because that'll also, it's not just the cost doctor, Lyle.

I mean, there are times, you know, people will say, I don't really like my doctor.

I don't really like, if you don't like him, you have to find someone else if you can.

It's just the way it is.

You got to

feel comfortable in that room.

You have to feel like they actually care about you and the decisions that they're making are in your best interest and it doesn't have to be a doctor.

No, he is do amazing work.

Practitioners

do

amazing work.

It could be an advanced practice practitioner.

So, you know, make a good decision.

Find somebody who treats you like a whole human being and can quarterback your care.

They may send you to an orthopedic surgeon.

They may send you to an obstetrician gynecologist.

But find that person who really gets you and knows you and understands you that.

relationship literally could save your life.

Yeah, I from personal experience I was searching for I've had doctors and I've also had nurse practitioners.

I actually I kind of I would advocate honestly for nurse practitioners as well because there there's a little more availability there sometimes.

But I found a doctor through a friend and it's a drive it's probably about a 50 55 minute drive from me to the doctor's office but

I'm comfortable with him.

He came recommended through someone.

So if I only have to go there once a year, it's worth the time to at least have that conversation.

in that room and feel like I'm being listened to and cared about.

So yeah, I mean, that's another situation we can talk about for days.

But right now, I want to focus our time with Dr. Kristen Lyley, who is our guest this morning on Mid-Mornings on Civic Media, discussing the new information that came out of the Department of Health and Human Services regarding vaccinations.

The department led by, well, not a doctor, but they don't have to be.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., they have decided that relaxing

the schedule, the amount of vaccines, the schedule of vaccines is what they want to become the official policy of this country, which has caused, as you, I'm sure know a lot of consternation here in Wisconsin and abroad about how to approach this, this topic.

But as a, as a set measure, I just want to say up top, whatever the US recommends, fine, not fine, but like it's, you, you are still in control of that.

You and your doctor still control what you want to do for your vaccinations.

So I got scheduled for your children, correct?

Yes, but how many people know what the vaccination schedule?

was and know how to get access to that.

It's available, but this is one of the things that you count on your doctor to do.

This is especially if you're talking about taking care of your kids.

When you go in for those routine scheduled visits, when your babies are very young, they are the ones who tell you, here's where we're at on the schedule.

Here's

what we

need to do today.

Here's what we should do next time.

And they stick to that vaccine schedule very closely because we know over years and years of evidence, data,

expert opinion, conversation, they have built that vaccine schedule that they constantly reevaluate using new information.

This is a long arduous process to build this schedule to have 17 vaccine preventable diseases on it.

So for RFK junior to just

Take it all away and say we're gonna just trim it down from 17 to 11 Also, we're gonna change the timing without any data any evidence any experts at the table.

It's just It doesn't make any sense.

It's reckless.

I felt like they were

going I felt you're going to FCC non-compliance character right there like

I

really want to cuss I really want to cuss

I did.

It's a dramatic pause because really what's going to happen is it's putting our kids in danger.

And you know, my 19 year old said to me yesterday and he's not a medical kid and he's just, he's fun and he's on tic-tac and he said, mom, did you know that Wisconsin has some of the worst vaccination rates for kindergartners in the whole country?

And I said, you know what, buddy?

It's true.

It's absolutely true.

I feel like that's a

question for you.

You're like, yeah, I know

that.

As a matter of fact, because 15 years ago,

We started giving people excuses not to get vaccines.

And that was all lined up with the Walker administration and Republican control.

So this is a consequence

of

Republican control of Wisconsin.

So in 15 years, we will start to say it'll be before that, but we'll start to see more vaccine preventable diseases.

We're already seeing it whooping cough, measles, COVID.

flu, we're already seeing vaccine preventable diseases rising because of misinformation and politics interfering in our medical care.

But the good news is, Greg, that organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and our own Department of Health Services here in Wisconsin have all said,

Nope.

We are sticking to the old schedule.

That is medicine.

That's how we're going to take care of our patients.

And that was the question I was going to ask next before we head into, uh, we grab some snacks and some water really quick.

Cause Dr. Lirely says stay hydrated.

Is that even though we, there's a new schedule from the U S federal side, it does, when I say it doesn't matter, I don't mean as like it doesn't matter.

It does matter the conversation specifically, but when you go into your doctor's office, that doctor, at least in Wisconsin will most likely be sticking to the original schedule of all of those vaccinated.

or at the very least saying, that's what they say.

This is what I believe, of course, that parents have the decision to make, but it's not like the doctors are gonna be pressured to give a new schedule.

They can recommend what they feel is right, correct?

I think that's a very important question for patients to ask their doctors.

Which schedule are you recommending?

Is it the new CDC schedule or is it the old one recommended by pediatricians?

All right.

And we're going to talk more about just, you know, I mean, you brought it up the food pyramid.

I'm kind of just staring at it like a...

craziness there, but we'll talk more about that on the other side of the break with our dear, dear friend, Dr. Kristen Lyrely, host of the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show available on the Civic Media app in Chicago and Atlanta, but more coming.

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Whatever.

Hey, your show has the name in the title.

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That is on Civic Media Saturdays and Sundays from noon to one.

It's also available in Chicago and Atlanta, and we're very proud of her for that.

So we're talking about all things medicine, all things in the news medicine.

We were speaking earlier about the announced

relaxation of the vaccination schedule from the Department of Health and Human Services.

I will sum that up in pretty much a sentence or two.

The original, the one that they currently were using, the old version, I guess you would call it, is still available with your doctor.

And as you said, Dr. Lierly, if you are looking at vaccinations for your children, make that like maybe the top question.

What schedule do you use?

And they'll, and you can go from there, but it's

Lots more to break down on that.

We don't have a lot of time, but I wanted to get to Jack from Merrimack who has been waiting patiently.

Jack, what say you this morning?

First thing I want to say is ignore anything that is coming out of Kennedy's mouth.

He's going to kill people while

he

already probably has.

I mean, we've seen deaths from measles.

Measles was supposedly eliminated in 2000.

between the new vaccination schedule, the recommendation for a high fat, high cholesterol diet, and simply lies about various drugs from ivermectin to Tylenol for crying out loud.

This is going to kill people.

talk to your physician and find out what the reality is.

As Dr. Riley pointed out, you want to find a physician that you feel you can trust.

But you can't trust anything coming out of this so-called health and human services department.

You can't trust it any more than you can trust the EPA to admit that there's climate change going on, which has also, by the way, been scrubbed.

from the

website.

Thank you very much, Jack.

We got to keep moving on here.

We got very little time.

And that's something Jack brings up.

I think it's very important as well.

One point is, and it's never a matter of don't take Tylenol.

Tylenol bad is don't take Tylenol.

We're not sure shrug shoulder.

And then people go, well, I don't know about Tylenol them because a guy in a suit said shrug shoulder.

And the same thing with climate change, I'll just tell you, it does not exist.

But it's not a matter of

of we have found information saying that Tylenol will harm your child or the mother while being pregnant.

It is a, well, we're not really sure.

Well, you're the Department of Health and Human Services.

Be sure, provide studies, get data, and then say something.

But don't go, we're looking into that.

We'll come back to it later.

And nary a word has been said about Tylenol since, unless the president says it off key and off topic.

And then the other thing too, and I want to talk about really quick.

Jack brings it up is that there's a new food pyramid that seems to like just want you to drink raw milk and eat meat.

What is that?

Yeah.

Well, at first I just wanted to say, Jack, you are so right.

And as a physician who has often turned to the CDC for.

the latest in advice and research and materials that we use to take care of our patients, we are very skeptical.

There are still some good people out there.

They do

still some good reporting.

So you have to be very careful with the information that you choose to share.

We're doing our best to navigate that.

But I would say always when you're making your own health care decisions, talk to your doctor.

Make sure you are using resources that are supported by the doctors and the medical societies, not the politicians.

And it's the same thing for the food pyramids.

I mean, yay for Wisconsin.

Derry shot up to the top of the food pyramid only because if you look at that full report and I did this and you scroll down to the disclosures, the people who put the report together.

Oh, who was on it?

It's the most interesting part of the report because first there's a disclosure for the disclosure and it just fawns over President Trump.

President Trump has elevated this food pyramid and President Trump are it is like it's weird how they keep using his name and.

materials like this

they

must they don't they must they don't use the same standards that they do for federal employees and they only look at the last three years of these authors histories so if you look at their financial disclosures even in the last three years they are all tied in very deeply with big beef

not

surprising because red meat is at the top of the food pyramid now dairy

pork supplements.

I mean, these people are compromised.

They are not your scientists who fight to not have conflicts of interest.

These are people who are walking conflicts of interest, putting this material together, making you believe it so that you'll buy more red meat if you can afford it.

Yep.

Yeah.

Well, and that's and that goes back to what you said earlier too, is that, you know, if you have if this sort of thing gives you pause there, luckily, we still live in a society that has we have access to

greater deals of studies data and other experts who are saying look if you want to eat more red meat I guess you can but here is what you really should be eating if this is what works for your body again a conversation to be had with your doctor a certified nutritionalist those types of people if you really want to eat better and look at your diet then that's where you know I would say never go to the government for that information always go to your doctor always go to a trained professional

correct

They work together.

Doctors are informing these government recommendations, but that's not happening right now.

So please be careful.

Please be careful.

And please listen to the doctor.

Kristen Lyrely shows Saturdays and Sundays, noon to one here on civic media.

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Dr. Lyrely always a pleasure having you here.

Please come back sooner than later is so great to see you, my friend.

Thank you, Greg.

Thank you, sweet Cal.

All right.

When we come back, audio sorbet, maybe audio gripe.

The Packer season is over.

What are your thoughts?

Where do we go from here?

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I'm so sorry

So Rob from Tigerton, we did not have a moment to get to your comment while Dr. Lyle is here, but I'll read it here.

Rob from Tigerton, Dr. Christon has been a huge help as I've developed, prepped, I, she said it correctly, purpulted alert.

I got it now, prepped tail teller, bursitis.

And I drink plenty of water that Greg actually made me do it.

Yes.

I, if you ever listened to the pack, right?

Low show.

For a long time when, when Rob was on, I always tell him to drink more water because he needs to drink more water.

We all need to drink more water.

I'm going to grab my water right now.

But, uh, yeah, we are in, we are in the audio sorbet portion of the show.

Happy to have you here.

And I will just rip the bandit off right away.

The packer season is over.

They lost to the bears and it was, I mean, from what I was, what, from what I was able to watch.

Uh, it was kind of, it was a come from behind last moment victory.

Calvin, did you watch the game?

What were your thoughts on what were your thoughts on the game as well as this season?

I know that we've had Paul and JR here talking about it, but you are a, you are a Packer fan.

You are a football fan.

What are your thoughts?

I didn't watch the game.

So I hesitate to call myself too much of a fan, but while I was,

playing video games up in my room.

I heard my mom and my brother yelling at the TV.

So I got the reactions.

I think the clear and obvious thing just solely based on that game is that we need a kicker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I heard that the gentleman did not do well.

And I mean, if I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the points here.

I feel like I should have

won.

Yeah, they lost by four.

They lost by four and 25 of Chicago's points were in the fourth quarter.

Yes.

And the kicker missed our kicker, Brian McManus kicked or missed two field goals and an extra point.

So that's seven points left on the field.

He's older and he's of questionable moral integrity.

What do you wait?

Go into that.

He has

on his previous team, he has allegations.

Of what?

Of... I don't want to get it wrong.

Okay, hold on.

What's his name again?

Brian McManus.

I believe he has allegations of sexually assaulting a massage therapist.

Okay, there we are.

Let's just look at that real quick.

2024 was sued by two flight attendants,

alleging that he

sexually assaulted them during a team charter flight from Jackson to...

Jacksonville to London.

Okay.

So what I'm saying is I encourage the team to get ready.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Uh, that, okay.

Well, I did, I, I feel like I, you know, honestly, I feel like I did know that.

I feel like I heard that early in the sea or early when they got him.

Cause the Packers don't usually like it's, it's

Controversely like that is usually escapes the Packers.

It's not usually something we like that.

We don't see that a lot in the news.

Can't speak to how they behave after the season is over, whether it's spreading conspiracy theories or committing fraud and Mississippi, but the point is allegedly that I had heard about Mr. McManus that he had missed, he had missed some kicks and that would have, that would have been the game for them.

But it's also the fact that they were able to get 25 points on the Packers.

when like looking at the score or looking at the point score throughout the game, I mean, they were doing quite well.

The Packers where they were staying consistent, at least putting at putting at least one in almost every quarter.

And then it just seemed to and keeping the, the, the, the bears down with six points.

And then in the fourth quarter, they just came back and just crushed it and crushed us.

And

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What do you think of the, what did you think of the game?

What did you think of the season and where do we go from here?

I mean, I know we don't do sports a lot when JR and Paul aren't here, but I mean, I think this is a, you know, this was a, when we talked to Paul last week, I felt like that the Packers really

And tell me if I'm wrong, Calvin, kind of got lucky getting even into the wild card because they just were not playing consistently.

They weren't playing well.

And the fact they even made here was I thought a little surprising and I don't know what people's expectations were for last Saturday.

And especially if they would have beaten the Bears, what would have happened?

the next round, because it feels like it would have been like, oh, we'll just see where we're going.

I mean, Calvin, what were your thoughts on the season on a whole regarding the team and where, the choices they made?

I think as far as like, personalities, like trades and signings, I think it was actually pretty incredible season.

We added a lot of players that I think are going to help the team out in the future.

We got plagued by injuries,

but that seems like what okay, so I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt you right there, but that's I Feel like when we talked by the way, I keep on mentioning Paul and JR Paul and JR our sports gurus We talked to them every Thursday at 1035 we discuss all things Wisconsin sports and that's something you know and and maybe you can speak to this too because I feel like you know more about Especially football and basketball, but I feel like when I'm having a conversation with those two whether it's football

Whether it's the Packers, whether it's the Bucks, whether it's the Brewers, I feel like there's always a point where we're just riddled with injuries.

And I don't know if that's just a Wisconsin thing, that we're just unlucky, or is every state having this conversation, we're just riddled with injuries.

Injuries are a part of sports.

Yes.

Every team deals, especially in NFL.

Being healthy is the number one thing that affects whether you're gonna win a Super Bowl or not.

Yeah, so every team Deals with it and is probably saying similar all the other teams that are out out are probably saying similar things I Will say Michael Parsons who is one of the big trades that I talked about earlier.

Mm-hmm.

He is the top two or three position player at his position and he is a

Probably a top 10 or 20 player in the entire NFL.

So Losing him is a major blow to our defense.

Yeah And I just think I Don't think the Packers will fire Matt LaFleur and I don't think that they should fire Matt LaFleur But there is a tendency that he does has that against teams that are Below the Packers and ability

or in games where we happen to be up by a lot, where he radically changes his mindset or strategy to a point where it allows teams to have these huge comebacks against us.

It's very interesting.

I mean, that's the thing is like, I woke up this morning to Twitter and actually this weekend, people just saying,

fire him.

And I think that's, I feel like that's the easy place to go.

Do you think the Packers should move on from, from that LaFleur?

Do you think it's time to restructure the, the, the coaching side of it?

I don't think they're going to do anything with Jordan Love.

He's in a contract and I think there's still lots of, I, this is third season.

And his first season was unexpectedly brilliant and amazing for as far as they got on the young team and no one had a lot of expectations of them.

Felt a lot the same.

That was the same thing for the brewers this year too.

People were expecting quote rebuilding and we'll be lucky if we get this many wins and then they end up going to the NLCS.

But, you know, I, that I.

Do you think the Packers should make any major moves?

I'll ask Calvin and I'll ask the audience here.

You know, do you think the, or should we, all right, this was a, this was not a great year.

We had a lot of injuries.

Let's focus on healing.

Let's focus on the strategy for next season.

Or should we just put a stick of dynamite and go start over?

I mean, that's what Calvin had thoughts on that one.

As far as players definitely don't start over.

I think we have a good.

Core that to build from for coaching.

I don't I Don't think they should get rid of Matt floor.

I definitely don't think they will I yeah from a management standpoint the president or the GM whoever's making the head coaching calls I'm fairly confident.

They're not gonna replace him.

Mm-hmm simply because he he makes the playoffs and the end of the day that's a But you have to make the playoffs to win the Super Bowl and then

in a lot of ways with the parody and NFL and the fact that as opposed to baseball and basketball where you play a series of games in the playoffs NFL you get one game you lose you're out so in a lot of ways it's you make the playoffs and then you kind of it's a dice roll from there so I don't think they'll get rid of them I don't think they should I would like

for him to have some maybe self-reflection and

change things up.

But do we need to buy Matt LaFleur, a gift card to like a spa just have a day to himself where he can sit back and go, what, what did we learn from the 2025 season this year?

Yeah.

I mean, it'll be interesting.

Again, you know, when your team is out, I know this as a brewers fan, you almost, there, there's almost a certain amount of relaxation that comes in the shoulders.

You're bummed, but it, you know, it's, it's all about now.

you have even the, I would say, and tell me if I'm wrong, Calvin, the upside to losing at this point and being out is that that gives you now what a month and a half more for your team or maybe about a month for your team to heal because that's a big thing too.

And sports is if you, the further you go in the playoffs and if you make the championships from the time the championships are over to when the new season starts, that's all time you've lost healing because you're still playing.

So

One of the upsides is you can get those players up and around and getting going and making a new strategy.

So yeah, it'll be interesting to see where we take it for the next season.

It'll be interesting to see where the, the Packers are, are thinking as far as like, especially with that conversation that we had regarding Jordan love passing the ball versus rushing the ball.

John from Oshkosh listening on WISS says, time for a change.

LaFleur doesn't have assistance accountable.

doesn't hold assistants accountable.

Not a good player slash coach manager always seems to be outcoached in the second half time for a change.

So yeah, I mean, I, and that's sort of the, the, the, the mindset I've saw a lot on social media, people who feel like he should be gone is that it's just not a very fluid office.

And it seems like it's not, there's no consistency.

And as you said, Calvin, the change in strategy at the last moment also,

breeds a sense of inconsistency and chaos that might not be helpful for those who are, um, playing on the team or playing or working for him.

Uh, Dan from Wausau listening to WXCO says might as well get Tucker for a net for a kicker next year.

If he, if the franchise is okay with sexual harassment, Tucker is, who is he speaking with?

He is talking about Justin Tucker, the former kicker for the Baltimore Ravens.

He is arguably the greatest kicker of all

time.

Oh, so it's always, he's really, really good, but also kind of, you know, who he is.

All right, great.

Well, we'll look forward to more on this.

We'll be talking more about this.

As I said, we always talk to JR Radcliffe and Paul Noonan on Thursday is 10 35 to discuss all things sports.

I promise you when they're on, they go.

deeper and better than I do.

Calvin, thank you so much for being the, the sports guru for this Monday morning.

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Today's, this shouldn't be a thing.

It's the for the dogs edition comes all the way from the New Zealand Herald.

Jeremy Wilkinson, Calvin, it's coming from New Zealand.

You know what that means, right?

Do you know what that means when it's coming from like New Zealand or Australia?

That it's upside down.

Okay, now it means I'm just gonna probably do an accent.

Thanks a lot.

Okay, cool.

All right.

The headline reads, winning Greyhound tests positive for methamphetamine, but racing investigators can't find the source.

So a Greyhound that tested positive for methamphetamines after winning its race has left its owner and racing investigators scratching their heads about how the dog could have gotten contaminated.

Trainer Craig Anderson, who was 68, was shocked by the results, vehemently expressing he had never touched the drug and had no idea how his dog came into contact with it.

the investigators from the racing integrity board, or also known as rib, turned up at his property for a drug screening of his six gray hounds.

They found one that had it.

The name is Hilton hustler.

Those are such weird names.

Tested positive for a class A substance.

The previous afternoon, the doc had won its race at Addington, but hadn't been swabbed post race.

Interesting.

Very interesting there.

Forensic samples were taken of Anderson and his, of Anderson and his wife.

and the dogs and the kennels and his vehicle, which all returned to negative results.

So now they're trying to, they're scratching their head, but I would just say, you know, if there are any dogs listening, Calvin, you got dogs.

I got a dog.

If you're all listening, say no, say no to methamphetamines.

Yeah, you'll get an extra stride in your step.

Yeah.

It might help you win that race, pump that iron, but it's not good for you kids.

Just say, just say no to dog methamphetamine.

And they are continuing the investigation, even though

according to this article from the New Zealand Herald, he has never touched it.

He's never been in contact with it.

There was a charge laid before Anderson at the racing integrity board, but they also said because there's no evidence, they're not really going to do anything.

There's not going to be a fine.

They say they're not gonna be a fine and they're not gonna penalize him.

They're not gonna penalize him for the positive drug test They're just trying to figure out how in good gracious name that dog came into contact with I'm gonna say it's maybe the neighbors down the street kelvin if they have grainhounds check them for methamphetamines because they might just be injecting dogs I'm not an investigator.

I'm not a PI, but I've watched a lot of British murder mysteries.

What are your thoughts?

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but I'm just more surprised that there's a whole

anti-doping board for dog racing.

I don't know.

That's kind of funny to me.

I mean, that just goes to ask the question, what if there was a non, what if there was a whole racing circuit where it was just absolutely like, go ahead.

Cause they do have like in, in, in weightlifting or in male and in bodybuilding where they present their bodies and they get all like tan and very bumpy.

There's a whole sub-sect where it's like,

Take whatever drugs you want.

We're not even gonna test you.

You're fine.

As long as it's, you know, it's on you, but I'm not advocating for, I feel like I'm advocating for giving dogs drugs.

I'm not, I think that dogs are the perfect drug cause they make you so happy.

How is that?

Does that, does that feel like I rounded that one up there, Calvin?

Made it sound nice.

Yeah, I think you landed it nicely.

Thank you very much.

All right.

So, so they're going to, they're still trying to figure out what's going on there.

And apparently Mr. Anderson, no relation to the makeshift guy is not going to be given any sort of fine, but they're going to keep an eye on these puppers because we want to make sure they're staying clean here in 2026.

But that brings us to the end of another edition of

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