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He normally joins us on Thursday, but because it's my last week, we've done a little juggling around.
Had to have one more chance to talk to former US attorney, acting attorney, and our friend and colleague, host of Amicus, a law review on Saturdays across the network from 9 to 11.
Jim Santel, good morning, my friend.
How are you?
Jane, Greg,
It is hugely bad.
The Supreme Court is arguing three different cases, including one probably right about now that involves a death penalty, believe it or not.
But you're right, the big one for this week, not that that is at all insignificant, but the big one happened on Monday.
It's one of the biggest cases of this term.
It's a case involving a woman who was appointed properly and behaved properly and acted properly as an FTC commissioner, Federal Trade Commission.
And the president decided he didn't like her policy.
and so terminated her without cause, without any reason to believe that she had somehow engaged in malfeasance.
She appealed that decision and lower courts, two of them, a district court and appeals court said, no, we're gonna reinstate you.
President has no authority to fire anybody in an independent agency.
This goes back more than a hundred years.
We're gonna reinstate you.
And in fact, they reaffirmed something called Humphrey's executor, Humphrey's executor.
which is this case back in 1935, 90 years ago that said just that.
FTC commissioners cannot be fired.
So it happens again just recently and the supreme court on monday to cut to the chase the headline is it looks like a majority of the supreme court are going to do as they often do swing big they're probably going to overrule humphrey's executor they're probably going to give this president even more power and permit him to terminate the positions
of independent agencies over which he has no authority, huge if that happens.
It hasn't happened yet, but the tea leaves are there from the oral argument on Monday.
And if he does that, it not only affects the FTC, but many, many other agencies.
And the big thing that Jane, you and Greg and I have talked about, this is almost certainly the codification once again of this notion that we have a supreme presidency and the president can do whatever he wants.
It appears that the Supreme Court is heading down that road.
A big case, as you have accurately noted, and potentially cataclysmic, as the three dissenters likely have noted on Monday.
A major case, major change in the way that federal government operates, coming down the road.
People don't realize this, but your listeners do, but many people don't.
That there are agencies out there.
Do you want to be independent of what?
politics and partisan views about things.
And so, for example, one of those that may be protected is the Federal Reserve.
That's the big one everybody thinks about.
It's an independent agency.
You don't want the president.
All presidents would love to dictate interest rates and mortgage rates, that sort of thing, to increase their political stature.
But we don't want that.
It's bad for the economy, bad for trade with respect to the FTC, bad for consumers with respect to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the National Labor Relations
board, bad for labor, all kinds of things that Congress established them decades ago, said Mr. President, whoever you are, hands off, you can appoint commissioners, you can board board members, but you cannot do things to affect their work.
That has always been the case because you want them to act on behalf of whom, the people of the United States, independent of partisan views,
And that appears to be coming to a close now, but that was the original purpose.
And it still is to this day, but maybe soon we'll be a part of our history.
What is, I mean, the direct, I mean, what is the direct results if that goes like, let's say just go six, three in favor of the president.
Do you just see the next, the 2026 just doing away with.
either individuals or just agencies altogether.
And I guess the question I also have is people will say, well, people serve at the pleasure of the president.
Isn't that important to know that the president can do what they want?
I guess, what do you say to those individuals?
It's a lot to take in.
And a lot
Right, right, and it's also we the three of us have called this before the unified executive theory That's what this is that comes right under project 22 that yes 25 that that you Jane and you Greg have talked about so frequently this is that concept incarnate and Yeah, it does require your listeners will do it but requires all Americans to get a little wonky and say what is the difference between those positions cabinet positions Department of Labor Department of Justice State
commerce, agriculture, all of them out there that are directly within the Presidents, the executive branch.
And those that are not created that way, that's a fundamental notion that everybody's got to embrace.
We've been doing this for decades or so, ever since FDR-ing before when we created these agencies that do the work, they are supposed to be independent.
And once again, it's your Congress that said that.
That's not just Jim Santel or three members of the Supreme Court who said it.
The Congress said we don't want any president, Republicans or Democrats, to be in control of these agencies.
And Greg, to answer your all important question, this will have a tripping effect because if it's the FTC, all of these other agencies, depending upon how they write this case, which will probably be broad, they swing big, as I said, probably will say the president should in fact have this great power.
And if they do that affects all of these other agencies, look for the politicization
of conduct of all of these agencies that Americans rely upon.
Again, the Consumer Product Safety Commission keeps the equipment in our homes safe and secure, trade issues, all kinds of things, labor issues across the board.
And all of that potentially going away and being at the whim of a president who will make policy based not upon the best interests of America, could be, but doesn't have to be, right?
based upon what politics might command or might dictate to that particular president.
That is a...
fundamentally wildly different way of operating the federal government.
Final comment I'll make about this, I'm going on long, I know, but it's so important as you recognize that this is also part of John Roberts' long plan.
When he was back in the White House, he talked about this.
We have talked on this wonderful show about that decision back in July of 2024, saying the president is all powerful, can't be entangled with things like criminal prosecutions, has to be strong, can't be feeble, has to be muscular, do all these things.
this is that, this is that incarnate.
Welcome, welcome to the new American federal government sometime in the next several months.
If you're just joining us on matinee on air, our guest is our friend and colleague and host of amicus, a law review on Saturday mornings.
From 9 to 11 across the network, Jim Santel is here.
We are talking about the Supreme Court, them hearing a case that would essentially allow Donald Trump as president to get rid of independent agencies and just do what he wants.
And I guess my question, Jim, is for John Roberts and the Supremes who are leaning in this direction, is this indicative that they don't think another Democrat is ever going to be president?
Because it seems like.
You're doing this for this guy.
What if the next administration is a Democratic administration?
Or just
Yeah.
Right?
anybody who's got a sense of that thing called the Constitution and the way that our system has been established, right?
One way or another, Donald Trump is not going to be our president in about four years from now.
Somebody else will be there.
But the Supreme Court announces say in March, say in January, say in June, that you've got complete authority over all of these agencies.
It was never the case before.
Then you've got any president down the road, could be not of a party that's presently in office, who's got this tremendous power.
And your very good questions go to the point you often make, which is, you don't want that kind of power vested in any president, regardless of their political background.
It is not the way we work.
And again, it does depend upon how they describe this in their ultimate opinion, but it goes back to this notion that we're changing government.
It is also stunning.
Jane, I think in Plistin, you're a very good question.
What is any Coney Barrett thinking?
What is Neil Gorsuch thinking?
What is Brett Kavanaugh thinking about the future of the country that they have grown up in and they're younger on the bench, obviously?
We know a son-of-a-bitch to Major things and Eleni Kagan and Angie Brown Jackson feel about this.
What are they thinking about their America?
They're going to be around for a long period of time as are their children, presumably their grandchildren.
What kind of a legacy are they establishing in all of these cases, including the shadow docket that give the president all of this authority and now seemingly codifying it for the future?
What is their thought process right now?
It wasn't on display on Monday.
Right.
Goodbye.
You can keep your robes.
Goodbye.
You know, like, like you're setting up a government that can exterminate your job and be done with you.
And you have no, and you have a, you have been the last guardrail to allow it to happen.
So either you think you're going to get some higher up is like a cleric or something, but you are, you can be setting up your own doom.
We know it has an awful lot of power even before this is Happening now, but it also has authorities with respect to do implementing specific things How often have we talked about that issue that Andrew Jackson raised when he was confronted with the Supreme Court?
He didn't like yeah, you said you know you and whose army yeah enforce what you say
And the Supreme Court does not have an army.
They've got a beautiful building.
It's under some reconstruction right now.
They're on Capitol Hill.
But that's it.
And they've got some law clerks and some staff.
If a president wakes up one morning, and as he's already said, the president's always said, you know what?
He said this recently, we don't need the legislature anymore.
You just go across the parking lot, Greg, and you do exactly what he just said about the legislature.
I don't need to have the folks deciding things.
I will decide them.
And that's when you've got the despotism that we've so often talked about, Jane.
Is there a phone number for the Supreme Court?
The answer is yes.
And there is.
And I will advocate what I've so often said, and you've seen me do this before.
Stamps, here they are.
put them on an envelope and make a handwritten letter and just affirm to or send some to Kandangi Brown Jackson telling her how much we appreciate what she's doing but send a letter to Amy Coney Barrett from the Seventh Circuit and say you know what if you're Deciding and going in this direction don't and explain the reason why you as an individual American feel so strong about this
write a letter to them.
Our one our only Calzone on the board coming to you from our home at Radio Park in Racine where you can join us call or text the number is the same 855-752-4842.
You can also leave a comment if you're watching in the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter coming up after the 1030 news a segment we call Audio Sorbet where we get away from the heavier topics of the day and talk about light silly things.
An old friend and colleague of mine, Tony Larino, is going to be joining us.
He's going to tell stories about how I was a terrible person when we were
Yeah, unless morale improves.
All right, so there we go.
Jim Santel is here, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review on Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 across the civic media network.
Morris Supreme, hanky-panky going on.
Let's talk about some other things going on at our highest court.
Right, right, you know last week, of course the Supreme Court in its shadow docket, which I know the two of you and all your listeners love so very very much Permitted Texas to go ahead with those five Republican majority districts and just this past yesterday and again this morning the Supreme Court's back in business hearing oral argument this morning's oral argument is one of those cases where frankly you would want judges finally to decide this has to do with the death penalty and there's a case which it says basically that
If someone has intellectual deficiencies of a profound level, we don't put them to death, even though the Eighth Amendment again mandates that it does mandate that they're not be cruel and unusual punishment.
You can can execute people, but you still have to do it within parameters.
They're deciding a death penalty case right now while we're talking.
The other big one from yesterday, which again, not clear at all on the tea leaves on this one, kind of a citizen United United revisited case.
This one has
to do with whether or not individual political parties can basically ally with and to support.
campaigns directly with money.
And that's a big change.
If they go in a direction that maybe they'll go in, although it's not quite certain how this is going to go, could influence a lot, not only the access of Republicans and Democrats to monies, but also the involvement of political action committees.
No small thing.
That was just yesterday.
And again, they're back.
Maybe it's good they're taking a rest, but they're back in business again in January.
I think they start again on January 12th.
And as we've talked before, we're still waiting for them to decide if we still have a voting rights act.
That's coming up.
We'll still waiting for them to decide about tariffs.
And there again, as the three of us have chatted before, there is a peculiar situation, but a good situation where maybe, just maybe, a majority are going to say, Donald, that's too far.
You can't impose tariffs.
That's Congress.
But it also seems to be a little bit of odds with what they were doing on Monday.
So how do you reconcile all of that?
Who knows?
And again, until we see the paper, until we see the orders in all these cases, I'm out of the business of predicting as we all should be.
This court is just not predictable at all.
Well, first of all, let me say that I'm definitely going to miss Jane and I wish her a marvelous retirement and hope she enjoys her time
Jack, but I'm definitely gonna miss you.
I miss Todd and I even miss the devil's advocates and that's a long time ago.
Yeah
When I was connected with you guys, I was asked, you have something to say about the Supreme Court, and my answer is, oh, I do like.
But I'm going to try to keep it to the topic, which is these crazy decisions.
They are leading us directly into a dictatorship, and that's pretty outrageous.
We're going to have to, if we ever get out of this administration, we're going to have to reenact some of those laws.
Now, this is my question for Jim.
If I understand it correctly, when Congress passes a law, they can say, this law is not subject to review by the Supreme Court.
If we do ever get out of this, we have to essentially repass those same laws that established independent commissions, and then the Congress must add that caveat.
The Supreme Court.
cannot reverse this or cannot review
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Jack.
Thank you, Jack, for the call.
You always get somebody who will even petition on that.
Challenge that.
But your point, Jack, is an important one, which is Congress always has voting rights issues, commerce issues, Citizens United.
Congress always has the opportunity to do a fix, a legislative fix.
And that's pending in the Congress right now in all these cases.
Where is our legislature?
That's your point, Jack, right?
To take action.
Maybe it won't do it right now.
Maybe it could undertake some of that in the latter half of the Trump administration.
Donald Trump won't sign that, but at least we've got some options down the road.
And the legislature could be the key to reversing much of what we're talking about right now, your spot on, Jack.
They improperly appointed her.
Meanwhile, Lindsay Heligan's still in her job and got judges in Eastern Virginia saying, what are you doing here?
We're not accepting your petitions.
But you know what, Jane?
You know what?
There's something else.
There is another wonderful woman, and it's you, and you are in this position.
I want to tell you that before the end of the week, you're going to be the recipient of, that's right, these pretzel bites.
coming in your direction.
And yes, indeed, there's also a cake that has your name on it.
Here it is.
And it's going to be for you.
It says, my baker just said Jane on it.
Oh, man.
Oh, Jim.
Jane always to be with you.
Put the pretzel bites on the cake.
We're looking forward to a whole lot more of that in the future.
Not goodbye.
More of the same.
You are the best.
Thank
Thank you so much, my friend.
Jim Santel, his show is fabulous.
Listen Saturday mornings, 9 to 11 amicus, a law review.
Thank you so much.
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Pretzel Bites for everyone.
Woohoo!
Good morning.
Welcome back to Matt Nair on air.
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All I want for Christmas edition...
It's going to be a good one.
I hope you can stick around for that.
Right now, we are joined by a good friend and former colleague.
He is with Roback Nation Radio, the one and only Tony Larino is here for audio survey.
Good morning, Tony.
How are you doing?
Jane, how are you?
I am great.
I am excited.
I'm nervous.
I'm all the things.
What do you have to
What?
I am but I'm gonna I'm gonna miss it too, Tony.
I mean this has been my life for 44 plus years and I'm gonna miss the Discussions we have I'm gonna miss the intellectual discussions that we have and all these silly ridiculously stupid stuff we talk about to Well, we laugh we laugh so much.
It's it's such a gift
It is yeah, and Greg you and I have gotten to know each other
little bit here off the air Jane and I worked together at one of her previous stops and I was the producer of the morning show at that point and working alongside Jane we would sit around on the back patio of the radio station and come up with some of the silliest ideas and just Spit firing on what was going on
where we were trying to find humor and put it into words.
And Jane has a fantastic comedic timing.
We've all known that for a long time.
But Jane's theater background, the fun that she has, being a performer and getting into it a little bit, people take that for granted and people took that, I think, for granted.
at our previous location where we were in that they didn't always think of Jane as willing to uh be the actress actor that she is and so when we started coming up with things and and I pulled out a couple clips here Jane so you don't know you may or may not know about you don't know about this I don't know but uh Greg can we pull up one the summerfest one
Today we salute you, Mr. Useless Souvenir Seller Guy!
Mr. Useless Souvenir Seller Guy!
Without you, Mr. Useless Souvenir Seller Guy, where would bright-eyed tweens waste their allowance on trinkets to clutter up their bedrooms?
Becky, go clean it up now!
From overgrown Dr. Seuss hats to glow-in-the-dark anything.
Two for five dollars.
I love that life.
Are the champion of impulse buys in eighty-five degree
heat.
I want a feather boa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Inflatable, it's undevatable.
You are the conquistador of crap.
Big boy of funspies.
Three cheers for chochkies.
Hip, hip, hip, hip, hooray.
And you.
Mr. Useless Souvenir Cellar
Guy
Mr. Useless Souvenir Cellar Guy
Yeah.
You probably haven't heard that, Jane, in about 17 or 18
I tell a little story that might be a little embarrassing for Jane, but I've made me laugh when you sent this, Tony.
Like earlier this year, we were talking about like our favorite commercial campaigns.
And I think that the progressive one that's out right now, that's like, you don't have to turn into your parents.
is an amazing one.
But I always thought that the, the mill, uh, the Budweiser real men of genius was one of the best.
And Jane's going, I've never heard of that one before.
And I tried to explain to her and I showed her one and she, that was great.
And then you sent this to me.
I'm like, what?
for four.
Yeah, that was wonderful.
is, and this was something, Jane, I was a theater kid in high school too, and you reinstilled this in me as we worked together at the old place.
And that was, you got to leave it all out there sometimes.
You got to.
Stand by your if we're talking about issues and real important stuff.
You got to stand by your opinion You got to back it up with facts back it up with your experiences back it up with your feelings But if we're doing stuff that is completely silly You got to stand by it too and you got to own it.
if it is trying to hit high notes on the conquistador of crap and stuff like that, you know You just got to own it and and know that this is a performance art
that we are involved in, and it's okay if you're making fun of yourself a little bit.
It's okay.
There's a saying that goes in all comedy and really any sort of, any sort of performance that's commit to the bit.
Go in full force.
Do not wink at the camera.
Be as, be as much of the characters you can be.
Get the best laughs.
Get the best reaction you can get.
And you're always going to come out on top.
And that, I mean, and that's what happens when you also have great production too.
That is a great commercial.
And it was one of three you sent.
Yeah.
There were a couple more.
Jane, we'll pull more out and we'll share them at another time.
But there was one other moment you mentioned, Greg, just a second ago, commit to the bit and get the, get people laughing.
Jane has those iconic laughs.
You know this about
yourself, Jane.
And when you get Jane really honest to goodness, laughing and rolling, you have hit pay dirt.
And there was one moment on the show that stood out to me when we were working together back in tooth.
It was, I know the exact date because it was January 9th.
Oh, wow.
of 2007.
Calvin, Greg, do we have this one as well?
Oh, we do.
It was about the time, yeah, you had just gone to see a certain artist that was very hot at the time, Jane.
Who's your favorite artist out there right now of today?
Your favorite artist out there today, you asked for her CD, you've listened to her CD over
and over.
Oh,
Christina Aguilera.
Really?
Yeah.
Wonder if we have something special from Christina.
Hi.
This is Christina Aguilera, and I'm here to sing you happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday dear
That is so funny, Tony.
Life before AI, life before Siri
having
a real sounding voice.
We just used the computer voice.
We were trying.
We
called.
We called because we knew you were a fan and we had called the record company and we said, can we get a little message for Jane for her birthday from Christina?
And of course, it's Christina Aguilera.
She's at the top of her game and
she's on to
her.
But we're going through all these archives of stuff.
Can we find something?
And we found the Christina Aguilera and it's like...
Jane will actually like this more than a real message.
You're the kind of media person that my wife would appreciate because she's like, why do we need all these CDs in the back still?
So
if you save everything, if you're just joining us on March, if you're just putting us on matinee around there, we're talking to Tony Larino from throwback nation radio, who's also a dear friend and former colleague of Jane matinee who we are celebrating on audio sorbet this week because it is your final week.
It
There it is.
And one of the things, Jane, that has been your concern and has been the people who are coming on talking to you from your yesteryears and you're always like, I just hope I was a good person.
I hope it was nice to them.
And I'm going to say this is that.
I've seen retirements before and when someone who isn't like, you know, regarded or not liked it, retires, it's a, oh, I'll get a card or tell them I say congratulations or something very, very professional, but noncommittal.
The amount of people who've come out and said things to you, talked about you from your old days, from your current days.
It, I think very much shows you've not only had a good impact on what you do, but also how you've impacted the people and the message you've conveyed throughout the years.
And I'm gonna add to that Greg and that comes down to two things.
When I think of Jane McNair, I think of kindness.
I think of kindness watching out for other people, watching out for the people around her.
Jane, we're not gonna talk about this one on the air, but she did some things behind the scenes for me personally that were above and above and above and beyond for someone who was just in my early years in the business.
so gracious and kind, so kindness is number one, but also principled.
Because you can be kind, right?
And not have, you know, not care about what's...
coming out of the speakers or not care about the product.
Jane always, Jane cared.
She was principled in the way that she approached what we were doing on the air that we were going to do good things in the community, the stuff, the bus events and all the food that was raised for years and years and years with Feeding America and now being able to exercise different muscles of that with Civic.
Jane, I'm so proud of you for that because you've been able to show off the principles that I've known.
for decades that you've held so dear.
And when you were working in music radio, it's just, it's a different beast.
You don't always have the time.
It's not the format.
It's not that this, but you've been able to talk about things that are near and dear to you.
You work with animals through the years, all the different humane society work and charity work.
You're real, you're principled and you're kind and we are.
all better people for having you.
And you may be retiring, but your spirit is going to live on with people like me that you've helped mentor, people that you've taught through the years, people like Greg, you know, so many others as well.
compliments.
Thank you.
Yes, they're too far away from me now.
No, I, I would really.
I worry because you forget and I really hope I was good to people.
I can think back of instances where I should have been better and I could have been a better mentor to people and I regret that.
And so I would like to think I learned from some really good examples of wonderful partners that I worked with on how to treat people.
I also learned some really bad examples from other people I worked with on how not to treat people.
So hopefully.
I followed the the good folks that I had the good.
Oh, you sure did.
The good.
You have a lot to work with.
And so do you.
Tony, Loreno, thank you so very much, my friend.
You got to send me those spots.
Congratulations.
Oh,
God,
You're getting a hard drive full of stuff.
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Is it bad to laugh at your own stuff, Greg Bach?
You're a stand-up comic.
Jane, that is, like, growing up, that was the morning radio I listened to, where the fun, I mean, like, don't get me wrong, I love what we do here.
But there's something about that.
Oh, the, you know, the 80s, 90s, 2000, that morning, six to 10 a.m.
Get you up in the morning, cup of coffee, making you laugh and you
You know their names And it's gonna be it should be a lot of fun, so I hope you can join us
for that.
Right now Calvin yeesh it's 10.55 that means it's time for this shouldn't be a thing.
You got a couple days if you find a thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me at janesaysatcivicmedia.us.
This is from CBS News Calvin found this you gotta love it.
Headline reads drone
drops crab legs, steak, and weed into South Carolina prison, folks were planning an early holiday old bay crab boil.
Oh no, it was three weeks before Christmas and across the prison yard, a drone dropped package was found by a guard.
with steak, weed, and crab legs and cigarettes for days, and to season it all, a tin of Old Bay.
This is from the article on CBS News.
The drone meal was dropped into the Lee Correctional Institution prison yard by a drone.
Apparently some folks were planning an early holiday crab boil and steak dinner, along with their weed and smokes all dropped by a drone.
A photo from the prison shows a raw steak still in the grocery packaging, crab legs, old bay, and a side plastic baggie of marijuana and several cartons of cigarettes.
The drone was seized on Sunday morning.
Prison officials say they're investigating so far no arrests have been made.
A spokeswoman says I'm guessing the inmates who were expecting the package are now crabby.
happen who
What's the like?
What's the worst that's gonna if I'm a guard I know that it's my job and I'm supposed to be serious, but I have to be like
That's good.
I like that one.
It's like watching your kids swear.
You're like, I want to be mad at you, but that's come on man Yes,
Yeah Thanks, guys Exactly.
Yes, the prison prison officials.
I'm sure had a nice meal and a couple of bags of weed and a couple cartons of smokes that I'm sure they'll turn over to evidence Absolutely, it's about the law people
shouldn't be
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