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Welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach Calvin Newton off coming to you live from our home at Radio Park in Racine You can join us call or text or leave a message if you're watching in the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter We have a lot coming up for you on the show today Pat Crite low will be joining us after the 9 30 news from mornings with Pat quite low across the network 6 to 9 a.m.
Many many
many things to talk about with Mr. Crite Law, including some interesting exchanges between the President of the United States and another female reporter.
Because it does seem to be primarily women.
Yeah, he doesn't call men stupid to their faces, at least the reporters.
Not so, not so, maybe he does.
I don't know what he says to his sons,
but he doesn't say to the reporters.
Yeah.
So we'll be talking about that along with many other things with Pat Crichtlow in hour number two from the Fair Maps Coalition.
Nicole Gabriel is going to join us.
This is an effort that is ongoing here in Wisconsin.
And we can talk about gerrymandering going on around the country.
But this is going to be Wisconsin specific.
and whether or not we can get maps changed again before the next election.
So Nicole Gabriel joining us after the 10 o'clock news.
And then at 1030, she is the fabulous farm babe
Pam
Yankee is going to join us for the segment that we call Audio Sorbet, where we get away from the news and talk about lighter things.
We're just, you know, we are absolutely 100% celebrate.
I mean, we're talking about things.
We're doing the thing.
We're having good conversations as we always do.
here at civic media and on this show, but we are going to be celebrating you to this week because Calvin, you have it ready?
It is Jane, Jane, Jane's last, last, last week, week, week, day two.
That's right.
Tuesday.
And we're going to be, we will be having guests coming through actually throughout the show and some surprises for folks who may not, well, not for you.
They're not for you.
Like, you know who's coming.
And if there are surprises, no one's told me.
And if that's the case, there will be words afterwards.
But during our audio survey, we're bringing in a lot of guests that you've requested, you want to talk to, we're just going to celebrate you and you're going to have to sit there and take it.
Do you have your Kleenex?
I do.
I bought a box of Kleenex.
She brought Kleenex.
because I'm a squish
yeah for us at the the tough exterior it's like it's like what's that the Charleston chew once you get to the it's it's pretty soft squishy center yeah because you and you can't handle a compliment to save your life and it's gonna be amazing but yeah
I'm looking forward to conversations.
It should be a lot of
fun.
Dan Schaefer just posted.
I just saw this on social media.
We
had Mike Clemens on yesterday.
Yes.
Who is civic media sports reporter.
He's amazing.
He's everywhere.
He puts on more road miles than just about anybody I know.
Yeah.
But Michael was Michael was there when at the birth of the Pack Arena.
Yeah.
And so that is my voice.
If you've heard the Pack Arena from 97.
I have a
question.
Yeah.
I was searching for a link for that because I was doing the show notes yesterday, which you can always find our show notes by going to civicmedia.us Slash shows look for Matt in there and Aaron find our shows going back about two months There was another pack arena out there on another radio station They claim it to be the original and I'm and I'm telling you this right when did yours come out?
Do you remember exactly I was oh, I don't remember the exact date was it before August of 96
I would say yes.
Okay, I because I listened to this and I'm not gonna I'm sure it was before August.
I'm not going to Name the station.
I'm not gonna say the people but I will tell you I listened to it just because I was like, oh, okay It was terrible was it it was like it was it was
They didn't use the same lyrics to think I don't think so.
No, no, no, we wrote
the lyrics
No, and the thing was like it's like when you watch someone try to do a home movie of a real movie But they're making a home movie and you're like, yeah, this is just as good as jaws.
I'm like, no, that's a goldfish and A blow up boat like why are you so close?
Yeah, so I was sad to go.
Oh really?
You're okay.
You're the original Wow, or
that's really I I was completely unaware of that
Yeah, right, she was.
She's known about this for years.
She's been
targeting them for decades.
I've been after them for years.
Yes, I bought the station and shut it down.
At the very end of the show, we will wrap it up as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today, it's the testy turkeys edition.
Oh, I changed it because I wanted some alliteration.
Sorry about that.
Oh, now you have to change the
show.
Everything.
Oh, geez.
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Wanted to give you a heads up about weather, depending upon where you are in Wisconsin, you can see a mixture of...
rain and snow and sleet, or you could see four to seven inches of snow.
I know.
Heavy sigh.
Aiden Karoski, meteorologist with the National Weather Service says the storm system today will come through.
It's going to start later on this afternoon, about four o'clock, they expect.
The event will begin with snow and then shift to a rain, snow mixture.
by tonight that will continue overnight when rain could become more dominant.
But then by tomorrow morning, it could transition back to snow, which could linger throughout the afternoon.
So this could make for some messy, messy driving tomorrow morning.
And even later on this afternoon and into tonight.
Keep an eye out by going to 511wi.gov.
That's a great website as well as app that allows you to see
where the big problems are.
It allows you to see backups.
It also allows you to see cameras.
So you can get an idea of the conditions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's really, really helpful app to put on your phone and don't look at it while you're driving, but like it's a great way to prep yourself for what you need.
If you need to drive, they can at least be prepared to know what you might be facing.
Yeah.
It's surprises
are
bad.
Surprises on the road are bad, especially right now.
This is, I think, our fourth storm.
For snowstorm in the late fall, early winter, which I am,
you're not used to this.
Are you?
Uh, it's just throwback to the old days.
It's very, I mean, like when I was a kid, you had snow from October to March pretty much, but I don't care.
We don't do that anymore.
It
shouldn't be like
this now.
I believe Brittany Merlot, our friend, was talking about La Nina this year.
And if this is the case, I don't like her.
I don't like Nina.
We're anti-Ninja.
Exactly.
Right now.
And also, again, depending upon where you are, they're talking about this potential of four to seven inches of snow along and north of I-94.
And to really put a little kiss on top of it all, wind gusts of 30 to 40 miles an hour are possible.
So that'll be fun.
Grand.
Great.
Yeah.
Please be careful and please just stay up on the forecast.
We don't want to have to be reporting on you ending up in a ditch, but rather have to
not have to do that.
And also, and I hate saying this because I feel like a parent waving their finger, but if you have a car that can handle this kind of weather, that's great.
Just don't drive like you're crazy and know that there are people around you who are trying to stay safe and are maybe nervous driving in this.
doing the speed limit when no one else is, because your four-wheel drive can handle it.
That's great.
But also, you've got to just be mindful of those around you.
You have to.
You have a responsibility driving on those roads.
So it just really angers me when I see that.
And as always,
Physics applies to all of us.
Yeah,
so you might be in that great big vehicle with that big four-wheel drive You're still gonna slide.
Mm-hmm.
Just like the rest of us.
Yeah, so please please be careful one of us start off with this Brooke Rollins, of course Donald Trump's agriculture secretary Everything is great Greg.
Oh, you know, well for ability is a democratic hoax for one thing.
I mean
Tom Scott percent told us that was so good.
We don't even know it.
So really, it just comes down to it.
Americans just don't
realize how good we
have
said here.
That's what he said yesterday.
Oh, that coffee's hot.
We have a clip from Brooke Rollins, Donald Trump's agriculture secretary talking to Larry Kudlow on Fox News.
Calvin, can you play that clip, please?
Gas is down, lumber is down, eggs are down, Larry Kudlow.
Really everything is coming down, but we believe so sincerely.
Listen, we're not tone deaf.
We know that America, a lot of Americans at least are like, well, we're still not feeling the relief.
The relief is coming.
The structure is there.
The one big beautiful bill tax cuts go into effect.
Costs are coming down.
It really is a golden age just right around the corner and I am so excited.
Just right around the corner, you guys.
It was gonna be day one.
Mm-hmm that that he was gonna address affordability and all of that and then it became affordability is a democratic hoax and now the new messaging is affordability is a problem and it's the Democrats fault
and That's you know what?
That's all bunk in the sense of it doesn't matter who you blame.
It's still a thing
It exists.
This is
people's lived experience.
We're going to the grocery store unlike I have a feeling most of the multi-millionaires within the Trump administration.
Well, and also, you know, it was very interesting the three things she chose to say prices were down.
She's not wrong.
Like prices did go down this year.
And why did egg prices go down?
Okay.
So lumber prices, egg prices and gas prices, they're all down.
There are all market based reasons why they all went down.
They're not because of the president who's sitting in the room.
They're not because of who's in charge of Congress or the Supreme Court or whatever.
It's because of the market.
The markets they are so in favor of those prices came down because economic
uh, impactors and that's not the word I'm looking for.
Um, they have changed pre pandemic prices or pre the, the, the lumber has not gone to pre gone down to pre pandemic prices, but it's come down since the pandemic egg prices went down because of a huge outbreak, outbreak and sickness and in bird flu in bird flu and the demand went up.
So the prices went up and the gas prices.
We've gone over this so many times.
Yes.
National average as we checked yesterday was two 99 five.
That's great.
But that doesn't matter who the president is and I said this when Joe Biden was the president the president doesn't determine the gas prices So they can take the credit they want, but there's no this is not because and if it's a case as you said Jane Why wasn't these bright?
Why weren't these prices brought down on January the 21st, right?
Because he does not
control all of these things
none of them
and especially the price of oil.
It's a
global market Yes, it's a global market.
There are global forces at work.
So no, it's not
Glad you can afford eggs and that's great and gas, but also groceries and all the other things coffee and tomatoes and all of those things
Yeah, when we return the tariffs and small businesses, especially in Wisconsin, they're hurting and need our help stay with us You're listening to matinee on air.
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hurting.
We have a clip from MSNDC.
Calvin, can you play that clip, please?
Hey, Joe.
Yeah, a big miss on the ADP payrolls.
The private payroll company saying private payrolls said 32,000 workers in November.
That's the fourth negative number in the past six months for this series.
Take a look here.
The estimate was for 40,000.
So the street was off on this one.
And how did you get there?
Well, goods producing shed 19,000 workers, service producing shedding 13,000 workers.
But the big story here, and I'll show you more detail on this, is what's happening with small business down 120,000, medium and large business doing okay up 51 and 39,000 respectively.
But take a look at this chart here.
Virtually all of the job losses have come.
from small business, which has been negative in six of seven months since April without those losses, ADP numbers would actually be positive.
But you can't get rid of her.
You can't exclude small business.
Small businesses are the backbone of our economy.
And the tariffs are crushing
them.
It wasn't easy before.
The pandemic didn't make it easier.
And now we're faced with a situation as someone who works in a small business who runs a small business.
I mean, right now we are not running because we are in construction mode, but still this is very concerning for me and concerning for my friends who are also in the same industries.
It's, I don't, I don't know what to, I mean, it's right there in front of us.
This information is right there in front of us.
The numbers do not lie.
These companies have no reason to, like they're not like, they've no reason to lie to suck up to who it's, it's
I'm almost at a loss for words because there is little to no help being done.
And the thing is, is like, I look at something like the farming, getting $12 billion again.
Well, 11 billion because
they're hanging onto
a billion.
It'll be 16 when it's all said and done.
But point is, is that these are not the things that small businesses want.
They want to have markets that they can compete in.
They want to have an economy where people are,
excited to spend their dollars, which allows the businesses to grow, which allows them to hire more people, which allows, allows, allows.
It's an investment.
I'm gonna keep
saying
it.
It's an
investment.
But when we're suffocating these small businesses, suffocating the quote, I hate saying it because it sounds so disingenuous.
Now the backbone of the community and the country, everything is the backbone that gets the worst treatment.
Nurses, teachers,
small business,
farmers.
They're all the backbones and we continually punch at the vertebrae.
This is not how a Party or a group of people who celebrate the marketplace is not how you invest in the market I'm sorry while then allowing these huge billion-dollar corporations to buy each other giving tax breaks While their biggest CEOs are getting golden parachutes not paying taxes on that money and don't forget they get to write off their private planes now, too.
It's just I mean This is a this is a class
issue.
It is.
It is a class issue.
And I feel like everyone seems to know that chain, but we're not doing anything to further the cause of the class struggle.
Well, it's continuing to talk about it.
Yep, it's continuing to share information.
And going to myvote.wi.gov and talking to representatives.
Absolutely.
We are going to include this article in our show notes, too, by the way.
This is from Urban Milwaukee.
And there's a big piece about how a lot of Milwaukee area restaurants are struggling big time.
Yes.
COVID almost killed a lot of them.
We lost a lot of restaurants and bars during COVID.
And then now for the ones who did manage to hang on and survive, now people's pocketbooks are tight, things are expensive, people aren't going out to eat.
The
explosion
of delivery services?
Absolutely.
So if you can, if you've got a little extra, go patronize a local restaurant, they really, really need the help.
And I'll say this too, if you want, I know it sounds weird, but if you want delivery, find restaurants that employ delivery drivers.
Instead of the side ones?
Yeah, because those third party delivery apps, I know that those drivers are making money, but those corporations are just siphoning off revenue from these small businesses.
They take so much from the bottom line.
So
where do you
spend your dollars?
Be smart about it.
And
yeah.
especially right
now.
And check out the show notes at civicmedia.us.
Just click on shows, go to Matt and Aaron here.
Greg puts together a great bunch of show notes that has all the links to all the articles that we talk about.
News is coming up next.
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US Supreme Court today is hearing a case that could fundamentally reshape our elections by getting rid of one of the last significant limits on campaign spending.
They just are gonna open it up now so really, really, really rich people can just buy elections.
even more so than they're doing now.
Yes.
It's amazing.
It's it's you know, when when the McCain Fine Gold Act was first being attacked and then Citizens United came down.
I remember where I was at the time I was in my state Senate office in the state Capitol when I saw the decision come down for the Citizens United case and you know 2010 was already looking like it was going to be a rough year for Democrats
and
I turned to my staff and I said this is
This is not good.
I said, this is going to be, it's going to make a tough year even tougher.
And the spigots had been opened and they've only gotten wider first in the Scott Walker years and, you know, with John Roberts on the court and now Donald Trump and the White House that, you know, the arguments being made before the Supreme Court today are essentially, in my opinion, removing what's left of the window dressing in terms of any, any limits.
Any guardrails.
Yeah.
Yeah, the guardrails of the wink of, well, I can only give so much to a candidate, but I can give a lot more to the party, and the party can give a lot more to the candidate.
So I can't order the party to give it to the candidate.
Yes, you can.
Nobody's listening.
And that's the foolishness that we're stuck in right now.
This should distress everybody.
In
2015, Wisconsin eliminated both limits on individual contributions to political parties and restrictions on coordinated spending between parties and candidates.
Again, this is from an opinion piece in the journal Sentinel Wealthy Donors immediately discovered they could effectively nullify candidate contribution limits
by routing money through the political parties instead.
And as you said, Pat, now they just want to do away with the last vestige of, oh, we're not really doing that.
Yeah, they are.
And now they're just going to let them do it.
Yeah,
let's let's break down that word coordinated the coordinated spending because that's what very nearly got Scott Walker in trouble during his recall campaign.
When the old government accountability board that I helped create in the legislature, you know, a panel of retired judges that were overseeing election laws was getting a little too close to finding an illegal level of coordination involving Walker's campaign and parties
or other
third party groups.
And the whole notion of what we call independent expenditures is that these groups
are supposed to be independent, not operating in cahoots with a campaign.
At that point, just become part of the campaign.
And let me try to take it in a nonpartisan way, because I was talking about the the smoking ban earlier.
And that was definitely an issue that was not a partisan one.
And so you had outside groups that were for and against the smoking ban.
they were truly independent groups.
That's the reason you had the laws like this, that any group of people could band together, could ban their money together, and say, we want a campaign, we want to convey a message to the public based on this message.
that we are coming up with.
But the way it looks right now is that these groups are basically just phonies and they go to the campaign and go, hey, what should our message be?
There's
nothing independent about these independent expenditures anymore.
And yes, it's boring to most people, but we keep trying to make it not boring because it is completely fundamental to not having billionaires just by elections.
And we are talking
about massive, massive.
amounts of money.
Wisconsin limits individual contributions to gubernatorial candidates to $20,000 per candidate per election.
Before the 2022 election, at least 42 wealthy donors gave Governor Evers the max.
Those same donors also gave the Democratic Party of Wisconsin money almost 23 million.
That party transferred over 18 million directly to Evers' campaign committee over the course of the campaign, all completely legal.
But again, this should annoy people on all sides, not
just
Republicans, not just Democrats or independents.
Just as American citizens, we should all be able to agree that this isn't good.
It should it reminds me of a time running for Congress in 2012.
Another bad day where I'd been told all through the race, Pat, if you raise one and a quarter million dollars, which is laughable by today's standards, but back in 2012, if you raise one and a quarter million dollars, that's the money we need to pay for a plan that will win the election to Congress in the seventh district.
And around mid to late October of 2012, I got to that mark and I felt so happy about that.
And
And then like a day or two later, the Republican, you know, Congressional Campaign Committee announces it's putting, you know, $3 million behind ads for Sean Duffy.
And I'm like, why do we even have rules if it's that easy
to
take all the work that, not just me, I'm not looking for pity here.
Any candidate, any candidate should be in charge of their own campaign.
When an outside group or a party can simply come in and say the candidates don't matter Well now the candidates are nothing but pawns in a larger game and people are Naturally cynical and they want to go well, it's always been that way and what are you gonna do?
No, no, it wasn't that way and no
you
don't have to be cynical We can't actually be better than this.
We just need you know better Justices we need better people in Congress.
We need to elect better people president.
I think the other thing too we have to say is
It shouldn't just be Elon Musk, because Elon Musk is a known person.
He's a famous person.
And when he comes into Wisconsin and says, I'm going to put $100 million into this Supreme Court judges race, which is ridiculous.
It shouldn't take the, the notoriety of the person to make you take notice.
Know that these millionaires and billionaires who you've never heard of are doing the exact same thing.
every single cycle and it's just as dangerous not because it's the Tesla guy because it's our democracy and it's essentially your choice being taken away from you as well as I don't know like I feel like there are people who want the best representative to run for their party you know they don't you know I'm sure there are a lot of Republicans who say I don't want this guy or I want this woman because they're just a they're an empty shirt just a talking head
Let's get someone who's really good, someone from the community, maybe not a business person who just locks in and says, I want this job.
This money makes it so that anyone can run, as you said, Pat, and it doesn't matter their qualifications, whereas people who are living in the state say, I want a candidate who's going to represent me.
And that also gets suffocated because of the money.
And that's the big problem.
You need to know who's actually donating that money.
And it's always the usual suspects here at Wisconsin.
Well, but you make a
really
good
point, Greg, in that the big companies are going to back the candidate that is going to work for them.
And that's why, and I said this about the Supreme Court long time ago, they should wear patches like NASCAR drivers.
Yes.
And just at least...
have to admit where their sponsors are from.
And I just think if they're gonna do this, then all of our politicians should have their blazer on with all of their corporate sponsors because that's who they're going to be
working for.
Well, that's what I'd like to see actually when we talk about so-called independent groups.
I'd love to see a truly independent group, say a Wisconsin democracy campaign or somebody, run an ad just like that.
You wouldn't have to spend a lot of money because it would get a lot of traction
on its
own, but literally make up an ad that, you know, uses AI or whatever and puts those patches on these candidates and helps people understand the role of money in this.
And I think people do understand, well, they do understand the role of money.
They understand how bad it is.
I'm taking nothing.
away from Justice Susan Crawford when I say that part of the reason for her election wasn't so much Elon Musk the person, though that played a role, but it was voters who looked at it going, hey, wait a billionaire
should
not be able to do this.
And I'd love to think that, you know, that was responsible for a lot of votes.
I don't know if it was or not, but it wasn't zero.
So I've got to be encouraged by that.
And that's what I want to say.
All right.
and take out the name Elon Musk and put this billionaire in here.
You don't know who they are, and they may not be as rich as Elon Musk, but they are still doing the exact same thing.
They believe they can walk into Wisconsin, or they may live here, it doesn't matter.
They can walk into the election room and say, here's the check, do what I want, and you vote the way I believe.
And no, we said handily this spring,
No, to that sort of behavior.
And it had a knock on effect.
While Elon Musk is still very rich and getting his way, he disappeared after that election.
He was absolutely embarrassed and he was shamed and shunned out of the Trump White House.
And we know what is best for Wisconsin.
And we know who should represent us.
And that's why we shouldn't allow, I don't care if it's the U lines, the Bernards, the Hendricksons.
Or the rich people, the rich Democrats too, who are, it's not right.
And I feel like we agree on it.
It just seems like such a mountainous task to take on hundreds of billions of dollars.
Well, and now it's in front of the Supremes.
And I think it's a pretty easy guess which way they're
going to
fall, since they're the ones who gave Citizens United the OK.
John Roberts is all about this.
Oh yeah, and of course they've got their own ethical quagmire that they're dealing with and and they're wishing everybody would stop looking at in terms
of
accepting trips and and jet air private jet rides and you know all manner of other gifts and Aren't accountable to anybody and don't really have a true code of ethics So I mean it really is a modern-day case of the fox guarding the hen house and it's going to take a long time
to reform this.
And it's going to have to be with the help of people who do write big checks to people who are going to get in there and say, we're going to make it so that I don't need your big checks anymore.
Patriotic millionaires, there's your cue.
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Pat Krightlo is here.
Wanted to talk about this exchange between the president and of course a female reporter.
We're waiting for it now.
Donald Trump said last week, I believe it was like six days ago, that he said they were going to release the footage of us blowing up this boat.
off the coast of Venezuela.
And then he was asked about it again yesterday.
We have a little compilation of last week's exchange and yesterday's exchange.
Calvin, can you play that
please?
video of that first boat strike on September 2nd, but not the second video.
Will you release video of that strike so that the American people can see for themselves what
happened?
I don't know what they have, but whatever they have, we'd certainly release.
No problem.
Mr.
President, you said you would have no problem with releasing the full video of that strike on September 2nd off the coast of Venezuela.
Secretary Hagstaff now says... I
didn't say that.
What?
You said that.
I didn't say that.
What?
This is ABC Fingnes.
No, you said that five or six days ago.
You said it out loud.
It's on video.
Fake news.
So AI news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
what this allows Donald Trump to do is he always can say, oh, well, it's Pete Hegseth.
You know, much as we talked on the show today about how, you know, there's a new defense bill that included IVF coverage for members of the military.
Trump always says, I'm the father of IVF.
But Speaker Mike Johnson took the language out.
And so they'll go to Trump and say, hey, you're going to fight for IVF.
Oh, you know, it was Mike Johnson.
It was Pete Hegseth.
It's always it's always somebody else.
It's not him.
He's, he's powerless
until the
times he wants to be all powerful.
It's all very convenient.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
And we were talking about off the air.
We had this discussion and I would like to cover this a little bit.
He's doing this to female reporters specifically, calling them piggy, calling them idiots, calling them morons.
And he has done it to some male reporters, but it's very, very much women reporters who get this kind of horrible pushback from him.
And it's kind of a tough spot for male reporters.
I'm seeing a lot of people going, where are you guys sticking up for these female reporters?
That's a really tough spot for them to be in.
I
have to imagine that in that room, when you're fighting for the job and fighting for the response, I can't imagine.
I don't know how it looks for, how does a male reporter square standing up for them while remaining respectful and saying they deserve their agency instead of going, don't worry, I've got this.
Yeah, let me take care of it before
you little lady.
And not to mention the fact, putting your own job at risk too.
So I feel like when people are like, where are the male reporters out there sticking up for the women's like, that's a nuanced conversation I believe has probably been had in the room of the reporters and they don't need us saying you need to be doing X, Y and Z.
Well, and it may also be these female reporters saying,
I really appreciate it, but I don't need you stepping in to defend me.
Right, this is all a matter of access.
There are only so many reporters that are allowed this, and along with everything else you just said, all of those reporters are hearing from their bosses saying, don't take the bait.
Right.
Because yeah, you'll get a viral moment where you go, Mr. President, that was out of line.
You should apologize to her.
You'll get your viral moment.
but then you get your press pass taken away.
And then they have to fight all over again for access or they don't get the access.
And pretty soon Matt Gaetz is a Pentagon reporter because there aren't any actual reporters left at the Pentagon.
So I think your point is the better one that these women and others, they are professionals and they have said, you know, getting this kind of treatment from what we used to call in our younger days, a male chauvinist pig, you know, is just par for the course.
You roll with it.
he's going to look less kindly on them than it is on on me for getting picked on by this jerk for lack of a better term and carry on with your day and you know just show the people what he's like and that's what you just did there again
but but as you mentioned on your show Pat when I was listening this morning on the way in Donald Trump has given people permission to be their worst selves completely out in the open it's you're just being your authentic horrible self
Yes, he has lifted the rock, you know, that so many other racists and bigots lived under for the longest time.
He's given them oxygen and they have flourished and it doesn't matter if you're a member of Congress on Twitter or a clerk at Cinnabon, when you see the president talking like this, you feel emboldened to do the things that you would normally be ashamed and embarrassed to do.
I don't know.
Don't always talk of putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
I don't know how we get people to crawl back under that rock if they really want to hang on to that racism or bigotry.
But we should we should never stop fighting for ways to call out these kinds of this kind of bad action.
We're we're supposed to be better than this.
We are supposed to be.
Yes.
Yes.
Pat Kratlow mornings with Pat Kratlow six to nine across the network.
Thank you so very very much.
Pat it has been an absolute joy and a pleasure getting to know you and to work with you.
Oh it has.
It's just been wonderful, Jane.
Thank you.
You've just earned every little bit of all the fun you're gonna tell us about.
Just don't tell us about it too much.
I won't.
We don't want you to think about it.
Just go do it.
Just go do it.
And give us an
update later.
I will.
Thanks
a lot, Pat.
Take care.
Thank you, Jane.
We have news coming up next.
And then when we come back on the other side, we are gonna talk to Nicole Gabriel from the Fair Maps Coalition about maps and gerrymandering here in Wisconsin.
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Right now, though, we are going to talk about Fair Maps in Wisconsin.
Nicole Gabriel is with Fair Maps Coalition.
She's a volunteer and relational organizer.
Nicole, good morning.
Thank you so much for joining us.
How are you?
For having me.
I'm great.
Wonderful.
Thank you.
So where are we with maps?
We know that one set of maps in Wisconsin has gotten changed, but now we are looking at more changes.
So where are we exactly on on fair maps in Wisconsin legislative maps?
the legislative maps.
Yeah, so our legislative maps were recently redrawn in 2024.
Our state Supreme Court found that those maps were unconstitutional based on non-contiguity, which basically means that there were various districts on those maps that were not physically connected to each other.
So as it stands right now, our legislative maps are maybe not completely fair, but they're fairer than
they
were.
Yes, than they were previously.
However, the process that we have in place, like the process that gave us those gerrymandered maps in the first place is the same process that we have in place right now.
And the same process that we could potentially have in place after 2030 when our maps are redrawn.
So if we don't have a different process in place by 2030, we could just end up with the same gerrymandered maps we started with.
And as for our congressional maps, those weren't touched.
But the congressional maps are still gerrymandered.
So from what we've seen coming out since the passing of the new map structure for Wisconsin, what is being done to secure that we don't go through this again?
Because those maps were just changed.
And now we're less than a few years away from doing it all over again.
So what is the goal for Wisconsin as far as making fair?
I want to say safe maps, right?
So we're not doing this over and over or every 10 years.
We're changing the maps and five years later we're back in the courts.
What is being done to help make this process consistent and easier?
Well, right now the Wisconsin Fair Maps Coalition is working with the League of Women Voters.
We actually have a group of volunteers from the League of Women Voters that have drafted a proposed piece of fair maps legislation.
It's called an independent redistricting commission legislation.
We don't have a bill number quite yet, but they have drafted this proposed piece of legislation based on how we've seen other states successfully kill their gerrymander.
So for example, states like Arizona, Colorado, and Michigan, and what the...
Sorry, my cat wants to join the redistricting conversation.
No problem.
Every voice counts.
Every voice
counts, Nicole.
Everyone gets to be heard.
Everyone gets to
be
heard.
He loves to talk about redistricting.
Everyone
gets to
be heard.
Yeah.
Dumb joke.
Sorry.
Go on.
Oh no, that's okay.
So yeah, what the the League of Women Voters ad hoc redistricting committee has done is they've kind of Frankensteined a Wisconsin model based off of best practices that they've taken from those other states that have successfully implemented an independent redistricting commission.
And what an independent redistricting commission is is it's an in just like it sounds it's an commission completely independent of the legislature that draws the maps and it's
it's comprised of citizen commissioners, so no more politicians drawing the voting maps that secures their own seats.
That's a really important point, folks, that I think just needs to be repeated.
Do we want our elected officials to be the ones who get to decide where their district is?
They don't get to pick their voters.
We get to pick our representatives.
And by allowing our politicians to have a voice in this on all sides.
Because we've seen what's happened in Illinois.
That's very heavily gerrymandered.
And I don't think a lot of Wisconsinites want that here either.
But it's about, again, are we going to allow our politicians to pick their voters?
Or is it going to be the other way around, the way it's supposed to be?
And I think the, the, the examples you brought up is really good, Nicole, because, you know, one we have, you have, I'm not doing anything, I'm talking to you, but like you have examples of not only the program working, but you've got it from two states that when you say, what do you think of Colorado?
Most people are going to say it's quote blue.
And you say, what do you think about Arizona?
Most people are going to say
it's red.
So what we see is two very different examples, two different states using the same idea to help create a more stable.
system of making sure that our voices are represented properly because I worked in small government in 2009 and 2010 and I watched our city administrator go through his comments on what the maps should look like and he said to me at one point he was, I've poured over these maps for weeks.
I know they're not going to listen to me at all because those politicians had their own agenda.
And so what we do is we take that away from them and we put it in, as you said, Nicole, independent individuals
who have the
best interest of the people in mind versus a party, hopefully, hopefully.
Hopefully, yeah.
And in those states, in Arizona and Colorado, where they did this, Nicole, where did they get these people from?
I mean, were these volunteers?
Did they volunteer to be on the maps commission?
I'm just curious.
Well, they are paid.
So they are paid commissioners, and it's basically just residents from the state.
So anybody who at least
based on our model, anyone who is of voting age can apply.
And there are certain things that can disqualify them.
For example, if they're like an immediate family member of a current politician or something like that.
Makes
sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there are certain things that can disqualify them from the commission, but basically it's just regular citizens.
So we want, um, what those states have done and what we want for Wisconsin is for anybody who's a voting, who's a registered voter in Wisconsin can apply for this commission and be considered.
Okay.
I mean, we're talking about these, but there's also, of course, in the news, we see a lot about the congressional maps as well.
And it's, as far as I know, if I'm correct, they want to try to get this done before April.
So it's like,
more, more fair.
That's
not
more balanced.
There we go.
There's a much better.
But do you think Nicole, that that is a possibility to get it done in, I mean, honestly, less than four months now with everything going on with all the elections?
I mean, what is the feasibility of that to get it kickstarted and actually happen and implemented in time?
I do think that it's possible for this to get done before April.
I know that I think it's the,
Wisconsin business leaders for democracy v. Weck is the the court case that's challenging that and they are they're taking steps.
So I think the most recent update from them was that a three a judge panel was finally appointed that will agree to hear the case.
So it's moving forward.
So I do think that it's possible that it can get done by April.
That would be that would be huge.
That would be huge.
I'm sure it's not going to be without its fights too because if you we saw a lot of fighting over the past how many years saying
trying to invoke the Constitution, Wisconsin, democracy, all those things saying, we can't redo these maps now because dot, dot, dot, but you have to do them sometime.
And if it's possible, at least to look at them, I think that's an important thing.
It seems there are people out there who really want this to happen.
If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, our guest is Nicole Gabriel.
She is with the Fair Maps Coalition, a volunteer in the relational.
organizer, and we are talking obviously about maps in Wisconsin and most recently trying to get the the house districts redrawn by April 8th to two lawsuits, as you said, Nicole, are pushing forward with this.
Is there anything that folks who are listening can do?
I mean, other than possibly apply or I don't know, reach out to the League of Women Voters, what what can regular folks do about this if they would like to get involved?
Yeah, so there's a number of things they can do.
So our website is fairmapswi.com.
Again, shameless plug
here.
That's fairmapswi.com.
So if you want to volunteer with us, please head over to our website and submit the volunteer form.
We're also hosting presentations all across the state to
educate people on gerrymandering in wisconsin and also our proposal to implement an independent redistricting commission so if you'd like to help us uh help host us at your group um at your church wherever um reach out to us and we can
come around and do a presentation to you and your network.
Another thing that people can do is that they can contact their legislators to pressure them to support this very important piece of legislation.
So on our website, we also have a call script and an email template to make it easier for people to reach out to their legislators.
And we also have some pointers on how to find out who your legislators are.
And the last thing,
Sorry, the
last thing I
want
to
mention that people can do is that
Well, firstly, we are hoping to get this bill passed during this current legislative session.
However, if for whatever reason this bill doesn't pass during this current legislative session, then we will be working with the governor assembly members and senators that are voted in during the general election next year.
And so what people can do is they can go into the general elections knowing what their candidate's stances are on independent redistricting legislation.
going to, going to them asking them point blank what their stances are on that and then being prepared to vote accordingly.
If you are not sure who is your elected representative, there's an easy way to find out.
It's called WI.
Very easy.
It's a very easy
website.
Myvote.wi.gov.
That's it.
Go there and put in your information.
It will tell you who represents you from the president down to the dog catcher if that's the person you vote for.
Also, you can find out your voting registration information.
That's always important to keep up on as well.
You want to make sure you are registered to vote in your proper district, but go to myvote.wi.gov.
Call
email if you have the chance maybe visit if they're around but be respectful tell them that these are important things for you and as you said Nicole I think that's very very it's very much a part of like who we look for in our candidates is who are the people who are going to bring the most most payoff for our voice as far as like who will actually represent us in Madison who will be the actual voice of the people and those
who want to run for office or for reelection have a responsibility to answer these questions, especially when it comes to the matter of fair maps, because I don't want to be doing this every few years.
We just need a system that works and
works for everyone.
Well, and I think it's important as well that politicians should be auditioning for us.
We shouldn't be auditioning for them.
They work for us.
They are supposed to sell us on them.
Yeah, that's their job.
Yeah.
I'm curious, Nicole, when you do go out into the community, are you hearing from all sides of the aisle?
I can't imagine that that every Republican thinks that gerrymandering is great.
Or do they?
I don't know.
No, they don't.
I mean,
Most counties in Wisconsin have passed non-binding referendums in favor of independent redistricting legislation.
In fact, it might be every single county, actually, that has passed non-binding referendums.
So we know that it's not just Democrats that disagree with gerrymandering.
It's people from both sides of the aisle.
Yeah.
And I think that's an important thing to keep in mind, too, because I feel like this discussion can get so waylaid by the politics of it all to make it very
Talking point heavy, but really when we're coming when we're talking when we're getting down to the nuance of it all this is about having a fair system which creates a a an election that allows all to run and I don't know be that I keep saying the proper voice of the people
Get involved
It's not too late.
No, it's not.
There's always time.
We'll include links in our show notes to the Fair Maps Coalition.
Nicole Gabriel, thank you so very much for joining us.
Really, really appreciate it.
Thank you, guys.
Have a great day.
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Pam Yankee is gonna join us.
We're gonna talk a little bit about the bailout.
Donald Trump announced yesterday 11 12 billion dollars.
It'll be 16 by by when it's done Yeah, and they can start applying for it from what I heard this morning next month.
Okay So I would assume that by the time they get their payments.
It's gonna be three or four months.
I know that's Again long-term planning.
Yeah, exactly.
So we'll talk to Pam Yankee about that at least a little relief seems to be coming for our farmers
if nobody else.
Something we wanted to talk about quickly because this is another thing that's kind of going underneath the radar with everything else that's going on.
We did mention this Netflix deal.
Yeah.
It was just mentioned at the beginning of this week.
Yep.
$82
billion.
$82 billion to buy Netflix.
Well, now this from the Daily Beast.
Donald Trump and Jared Kushner's plot to turn CNN full MAGA is exposed.
Donald Trump wants to see changes at CNN.
David Ellison is the son of billionaire Trump buddy Larry Ellison.
David Ellison is telling administration officials he'll make big changes to CNN if Paramount's hostile bid to buy Warner Brothers Discovery goes through.
I know.
I mean... The reason, the reason, okay, Paramount launched a 108 billion dollar hostile takeover bid backed by Jared Kushner.
Because Jared Kushner is a part of this whole thing.
Exactly, after it lost out to Netflix in the bidding war for Warners, which owns...
Hollywood Studios, CNN, HBO, HDTV, a whole bunch of movie and TV shows.
After news broke that Netflix bid to take over Warner would be accepted, Larry Ellison called Trump to warn that this would hurt competition, so just give it to us.
Well, they also told Warner Brothers that this will go a lot smoother in the process because you've got...
Larry Ellison, who is a friend of Trump as well as his son in law, Jared Kushner, the man who does everything apparently.
So yeah, this was, I think it was within 24 hours of the Netflix deal being announced because it hasn't gone through.
No one's bought anybody yet.
It will be months before anything officially goes through.
But I think, yeah, it is.
very telling that they're not being secret at all about what A, they want to do and B, how they are going to do it.
And it is by sucking up to the president, the administration, and by using his son-in-law to get there.
So, I don't know, this goes back to the idea that eventually there'll be one company.
One media
company.
Well, no, there can be one company.
There'll just be one company eventually.
Which is not good.
No, it's not.
That's not good for...
any of us.
I was under the impression that a marketplace thrives with competition and you can't have competition when there is none or there's very little and all of them are owned by multi-billionaire conglomerates who are run by multi-billionaires to begin with.
It just means that it gets everything gets watered down, everything gets not great and it's all about
it's all about how do they make their money then their clicks their likes their engagement all that corporate speak and not producing I mean look if you're in a media company your job is to produce good media and they don't have to do that when there's
no business
across the street
or they bought
that business
when they own everything and I also personally this is a very Victor Orban kind of thing Victor Orban when he was elected in Hungary essentially took over all the universities
and then he took over all the independent media companies.
And if we're going to have all buddies of the person in the old office dictating the news we hear, the news we see, it's one big propaganda operation.
It's not good.
Well, the thing is, it's like, I don't know, propaganda is one thing, but also just the fact that I go back to, I want these companies to make good television and movies.
I want them to actually
Want to create great programming because that's the point of TV and movies is to be entertained and when they don't have to do that and You'll
be happy
with what we give you and also let's also be honest, too I'll bet you a lot of money that most of the people don't even really like the guy but they know they have to get in tight with them in order to do anything and therefore they have to
Throw him a bone.
Here's here.
Make up a make up a prize.
Here's a
prize.
Here's a TV show.
Here's an appearance.
Here's a show.
Here's a thing for your kid, your grand kid, like all that stuff.
When they don't want to do it in the first place, they just want, they just want to do what they always do is make money and lots of it.
And that is us.
Once again, sitting here as the people who are paying for it.
We're the ones paying for, by the way, they might be on the stock market and they might, and they may be the billionaires, but it's our dollars that pay for their boats.
Speaking of our dollars.
Yeah.
Our dollars apparently going to be going to help out some of our farmers who have been hurt by Trump's tariff policies.
We'll talk about that and so much more on the other side.
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Good morning, my friend.
How are
you?
Hello, honey.
How are you?
Congratulations on one foot out the door.
Thank you.
Yes.
My final show Friday.
Mm hmm.
After 44 years.
Oh my goodness.
I bet you've been doing it as long as you've been in broadcasting as long as me.
Well.
Yeah, I mean, it's the only thing I've ever done.
I started, uh, my first, I got a national farm broadcaster scholarship in 86, which already dates me.
And then, uh, I started working in 87 in farm broadcasting.
I've been in Madison since 90.
Wow.
Wow.
You've been around a long time.
And I'm really kind of, you know, as many of us in the business would say, we're like dodo birds.
You don't see many of us anymore that made a career out of being in radio and especially a farm broadcaster.
I mean, that, uh,
To make it through ownership changes and format changes and all that kind of stuff.
I'm I'm pretty blessed.
So well, I'm loving it Well, you
you perform a really important service though and everybody talks about how important our farmers are and we give a lot of lip service to our farmers you actually do it and and and and Cover things I think that are critically important and and you have a very important lane that you fill you have a very important spot that you fill
I thought it was interesting before the break talking about how thin journalists are in a lot of regards.
Greg, you were mentioning about entertainment, and now that's all of a sudden getting to be a pretty narrow batch.
Yes.
It's the same with farm broadcasters.
When I started in farm broadcasting, man, I think I want to say there was somewhere in the neighborhood of
close to 300 certified farm broadcasters across the United States.
And now our numbers are down to about 190.
Now granted, the industry's changed.
You know, I used to be on just one radio station.
Now I'm on 38.
So I get it.
It's kind of like farms.
Farms used to be, you know, 50 cows and 200 acres.
Well, now farms are 1000 cows and 1000 acres.
So it's kind of, it keeps up with the scale, but
to your point.
It's hard to cover a lot of those bases when you are just one.
Yeah,
no kidding.
And I would say, you know, I have learned a lot over these past few years about the farmers here, the farming industry, and what they're really looking for.
I would say, you know, and this question is for people on any side of the aisle who vote for whomever, what are the big points you feel like the non-farmers
who say they support the farmers are missing in this world.
What are we missing?
What are we not seeing that really should open our eyes to see the struggle of what's going on in our farmlands here in Wisconsin and throughout the country?
Well, let's take, for example, the announcement made yesterday about the Farmer Bridge program.
We've been talking about that and talking about that for months.
So a lot of farmers in Wisconsin had already kind of factored in, something's coming.
And now one thing I guess,
i i understand my job as a journalist is to be switzerland i'm the
middle of the
road sure i have no opinion you should you i should never give you an impression that i have an opinion that i believe is my responsibility and i kind of instill that my staff too we are we are switzerland we have no opinion so one thing i ask people to think about when they hear of these announcements take it a little step further one of my uh commodity brokers on the show this morning reminded people that almost
100% of the money that is going to be coming from the federal government, regardless of size, will be going to pay bills that are currently on our books.
Everything has gone up as far as price, fertilizer, herbicides, the seed, labor, diesel, everything has gone up, land rents.
And as a farm kid, I'm absolutely serious about this.
They will put that check in the bank.
and they will write a check to the co-op, to the seed dealer, to the petro person, and it will be flat.
It's not like somebody's going to be riding around in an escalade.
It just doesn't work that way in agriculture.
We are, in so many years, hand-to-mouth.
All we're trying to do is get to next year, because we are eternal optimists.
Next year will be better.
Things will be better.
And now remember, this program also only covers in Wisconsin.
corn, soybeans, peas, oats, wheat.
I'm gonna miss another one.
Barley.
There's only six commodities in this 12 billion, which yesterday Brooke Rollins, U.S.
Ag Secretary, corrected Trump.
It's 11 billion.
Exactly.
Those six crops in Wisconsin are the only ones that are going to see any money.
So our dairy faction is still waiting.
Our pork producers are still waiting.
Anybody that doesn't grow those six crops like hate producers pasture is they're all kind of waiting, but then again their markets with the exception of dairy I've got to say dairy has been impacted by the international stuff, but you know the other markets are a little bit less Ruffled so
well and you are a journalist and you have I think probably more lines and to the people who talk than we do sometimes and beef has been a
big problem for our American farmers.
There's been a lot of talk, a lot of discussion from the administration about where we should buy beef.
And then Brooke, Brooke Rollins came out and said, we want to make it more, make it easier for people to become beef farmers.
And I don't know about you, Pam.
I don't know anybody who wakes up on a Friday and says, you know what?
I want to be a farmer, you know?
So do you hear anything coming down the pike?
Any chatter about possible bailout money for the beef farmers who are definitely struggling as well?
No, nothing at all.
Okay.
All right.
They're not struggling.
They're not struggling.
They're
not.
Not struggling.
Beef is about one of the only sectors that's holding its own.
And because our beef herd is so low, dairy has stepped into that fold
with what
we call beef on dairy.
That is about the only upside for our dairy producers.
They've been able to pay some bills because the beef market's good.
So they're selling steers, they're selling call cows, they're selling that to, so it's like Robin Peter to pay Paul.
I'll sell these beef animals to try to pay for
my dairy cows for right now.
And so no, beef is fine.
And to your point, we just had a story about how many young people and people in second careers want to do exactly what you just said.
I'd love to have a couple beef.
I'd love to have a grow a larger, you know, like maybe a farm market garden.
There are a lot of people that would love to get an agriculture.
Maybe not dairy because that's a lot of overhead.
Maybe not big cash crop unless you're connected with somebody.
But if people can find the acreage, they'd love to have beef.
They'd love to have sheep.
we've seen how backyard birding has reconnected people with their version of farming.
And there are a lot of young people that would like to get involved in, I call them gardens and I don't mean to be disrespectful.
I'm lacking a phrase of the fresh produce market.
So there's a farmer mentor program going on right now where they're putting these people with farmers that have been in the business so that they have somebody to lean on when they have questions.
So there are actually
more people than you expect that want to get into agriculture.
There's even more people, Greg, that work a second job so they can be in agriculture.
And that is, I don't know how to explain it.
If you live it and you're in it, you know it.
Maybe it's the same way that we look at something like somebody that's just rabid about race cars.
They have to, they are dedicated to their race cars, but it's not financially viable, so they still have to work.
an off-track job, if you know what I mean.
A lot of those kinds of things that are happening in production agriculture is another one where people want it so bad.
that the work is second job just to have it.
If you're just joining us on that near on air, Pam Yankee is our guest.
She is the fabulous farm babe talking among other things about the $11 billion bailout coming to some of our farmers.
Going back to beef prices, Pam, the one thing I want to talk about though are the processors because that seems to be the biggest issue as far as the cost of beef because if I tell me if I'm wrong, there are only like four
processing plants in the country, so they control everything.
Well, they do control a lot.
You're right.
And that's why the president has said that he was going to make sure he was going to investigate antitrust.
That's been something that groups like the Wisconsin Farmers Union have been asking for for a long time.
We just found out that a plant in Nebraska, big
Tyson plant Nebraska beef processing is going to close.
Now that had been talked about in the industry for a while because it's antiquated.
It's old facility.
It's not efficient.
And we just have to remember.
at the crux of this is we just don't have a lot of beef cattle.
Our beef herds are at historical lows, which has given dairy the chance.
And those processors suffer with those low numbers as well.
They just can't make their plants run as efficiently as their equations.
are lined up to.
So it's true.
And I do find fault with the beef processors, especially when my beef producers aren't getting the money.
But right now, beef producers are sitting on the happy side of the equation.
And a lot of our producers that are the processors are a little bit more lean.
So there's plenty of
plenty of conversation going around about who did what and why and who should be held accountable.
And to your point, Greg, we are already getting small amounts of our Argentinian beef and Brazilian beef in, but it's low, low, low quality.
It's basically blended to keep your hamburgers at fast food restaurants cheaper so that you can afford them.
It's fine, it's safe, but it's never going to make a dent the way that has been promised.
would be the dent to bring consumer prices down.
It just doesn't have the steam.
People don't realize what a big industry beef is in the United States.
And I think it's an important reminder to Pam.
One of the reasons why our stock is so low is because a few years ago there was a terrible drought that affected a big portion of the country and a lot of our ranchers
It was cheaper to send their cows to slaughter
than
to try and feed them.
It was simply too expensive.
They had to.
They had to.
And the other thing, Jane, is kind of you and I talking.
The average age of a rancher or beef producer is about like you and I in
their
sixties.
When you walk out the door, are you ready to jump in and get in high debt to
replenish your beef and keep things going.
So there's a lot of dynamics going on there.
But yeah, like you said, the bottom line is between the snowstorms that have froze cattle to the ground, the drought, which provides no food at all.
And now the screwworm, new world screwworm in Mexico that allows us to not exchange cattle with Mexico, all of it comes together to really reflect in the beef prices you're paying today.
And that's, I guess that was the crux of the question is
will, you know, any sort of relief that comes because it seems like, I don't want to say the worst of it, but like some of the biggest effects are still yet to come with like with the screw room and everything.
But will there be money set aside to help these 60, some year old beef herders who were just trying to make it, if they have to, you know, make tough choices, they have to make tough choices every day, every year.
But, you know,
They know that there has been talk from the administration that there will be some financial stimulus to try to help the next generation of farmers.
But again, you really got to look at it enterprise by enterprise, commodity by commodity in almost geographic region by geographic region, because I'll tell you what, raising beef here in Wisconsin on a dairy operation where we've got all kinds of corn, all kinds of water, all kinds of space versus running them across
government land in the Sierra Nevada and trying to keep them going there and put gain on them, two very different business models.
So I don't know, Greg, like I said, I know the administration has promised that they're going to try to help make those young opportunities for young producers.
We will see.
We will
see.
She is the fabulous farm babe.
It has been such a delight working with you and getting to know you over the years.
Pam, thank you so very, very much.
Enjoy
it right off into the sunset with your hair on fire.
Thank you so much.
Stay with us.
We'll wrap it up with this shouldn't be a thing at testy turkey edition.
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Welcome back to Matt Nair on air Jane Matt Nair Greg Bach Calvitini on the board coming to you from our studio at Radio Park in Racine join us at 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter busy busy show coming up tomorrow Andra Watkins
New York
Times best-selling author
is going to be joining us.
Andrea grew up in a Christian nationalist household, has some very, very interesting perspectives.
on the Christian nationalists who are now working in the Trump administration, Russ Vote being among them.
And making a huge changes to the way our country runs.
Absolutely.
So, Andrea will be joining us in hour number one.
Hour number two, we've been moving things around a little bit because we have some other special guests who are going to be joining us later this week.
So, Jim Santel will be here, host of Amicus, a law review on Saturdays from 9 to 11.
Lots of things legal to talk about.
Well, there's a Supreme Court right now making huge decisions to give the president even more power.
That's something he wanted to discuss.
And I feel like that's a huge issue.
And it's
yeah, it's, uh, there's lots of big stuff.
Uh, Jim Santel in hour number two, Tony, Tony Larino.
Uh, he's a radio consultant, a friend of mine and also a former colleague.
that I worked with for a long time.
So Tony's gonna join us for audio survey tomorrow.
That is where we are right now though.
Calvin 1054, it's time for... This shouldn't be a thing.
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From
Wisconsin Public Radio, Rich Creamer with the byline, the headline reads, gobbler problem.
After repeated attacks, Eau Claire to relocate troublesome turkeys.
Yeah.
City officials working with the USDA to stop menacing males that sent one person to the hospital.
What?
A group of aggressive male turkeys in Eau Claire generating police calls.
causing one local resident to avoid a walking trail and also sent a guy to the hospital with a one-inch cut to his arm.
In May, an Eau Claire resident showed video on a local TV station in which two male turkeys were chasing a woman who's yelling behind her, I'm sorry.
I'm
sorry.
Stop yelling at me.
I'm sorry.
It's very, very Wisconsin.
It's very Wisconsin.
Another resident told the DV station the same birds chased him during a run.
DNR gave the city some advice to share.
They said, if you stand your ground, aggressive turkeys should turn tail and run.
In this instance, that did not work.
All right.
I'm gonna put forth a little piece of information here, and I wanted to reframe the way we're seeing this whole thing.
I don't think they're being aggressive, and I don't think they're unwarranted.
America consumes 46 million turkeys a year on Thanksgiving alone.
Doesn't this feel like some very forgiving payback?
I mean, they're not going at us the birds style, they're just saying, hey!
We see what you're doing.
We know what you did.
And I want to know what he went to the hospital for, too, by the way.
A
gentleman that was on TV got interviewed.
He said he stood his ground against the aggressive turkeys, kicked one of them in the head, which made it more aggressive.
Oh,
shocking.
He ended up with a one inch cut on his hands, had to go to the hospital to get a tetanus shot update.
Bergus said the city has now decided to relocate the turkeys, but where they'll go, no one knows.
Some place where it's very unlikely they will encounter human traffic.
They've been asked to look around the wooded area between this particular trail and the river so that they can drop a net to catch them.
I don't know why, I'm just on the turkey side right now.
Obviously, you are siding with the turkeys.
I think if you're gonna, well first of all, don't kick a turkey in the head, apparently that doesn't work.
And also, rude.
And second of all, I would say this.
If you're going to run away, I would just scream the following words.
I understand your frustration and I too feel bad for everything.
And just keep on booking it back to your safe, warm house where your turkeys can't get to you.
I guess, Mike, because they have turkeys in Wauertosa.
Yeah.
And I was there last week and one turkey stopped.
Traffic.
Yeah, North Avenue.
And Jane, what did you say your solution to that was?
Why can't
we
shoot him?
Yeah, there you go.
What a what a fair-minded Just a great response.
We
have
turkey hunting season.
Oh, do you want to call Bill and get up all in his in his is Duds be like, hey, we got a turkey situation Come on on down to like, you know the corner of this and this and you know blast it away
Maybe
it's
I person.
I maybe it's I have a problem with their attitude
There's just so what are you gonna?
What are you gonna?
They didn't provoke this they didn't provoke this they are the defenders You are the aggressor and I feel I stand up for turkeys.
I'm with you turkeys Whirly what I'm saying is please don't attack me just know that I was always on your side
City officials say turkeys living in larger cities could be very used to people Mm-hmm and that can lead to issues when males are fighting for dominance during the mating season
course, it's dudes
natural also, how do you
get
used to humans.
I'd love to find that out.
That's great.
There's a way to make that happen.
How do you get used to humans?
I'm still trying to figure out how to get used to humans.
You're not
used
to
humans yet.
Not
lately.
You stop chasing people, though.
I won't go that far.
Okay.
That wraps up today's episode of
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We have a lot coming up for you on the show today.
Pat Crite low will be joining us after the 9 30 news from mornings with Pat Crite low across the network six to nine a.m.
Many, many.
many things to talk about with Mr. Crite Law, including some interesting exchanges between the President of the United States and another female reporter.
Because it does seem to be primarily women.
Yeah, he doesn't call men stupid to their faces, at least the reporters.
Not so, not so, maybe he does.
I don't know what he says to his sons, but he doesn't
say to the reporters.
Yeah.
So we'll be talking about that along with many other things with Pat Crichtlow in hour number two from the Fair Maps Coalition.
Nicole Gabriel is going to join us.
This is an effort that is ongoing here in Wisconsin, and we can talk about gerrymandering going on around the country, but this is going to be Wisconsin specific.
and whether or not we can get maps changed again before the next election.
So Nicole Gabriel joining us after the 10 o'clock news, and then at 1030, she is the fabulous farm babe
Pam
Yankee is gonna join us for the segment that we call Audio Sorbet, where we get away from the news and talk about lighter things.
We're just, you know, we are absolutely 100% celebrate.
I mean, we're talking about things.
We're doing the thing.
good conversations as we always do here at Civic Media and on this show, but we are going to be celebrating you to this week because Calvin, you have it ready?
It is Jane, Jane, Jane's last, last, last week, week, week, day two.
That's right.
Tuesday.
And we're going to be, we will be having guests coming through actually throughout the show and some surprises for folks who may not, well, not for you.
They're not for you.
Like, you know who's coming.
And if there are surprises, no one's told me.
And if that's the case, there will be words
afterwards.
But during our audio survey, we're bringing in a lot of guests that you've requested, you want to talk to, we're just going to celebrate you and you're going to have to sit there and take it.
Do you have your Kleenex?
I do.
I bought a box of
Kleenex.
because I'm a squish
yeah for us at the the the tough exterior it's like it's like what's that the Charleston chew once you get to the it's it's pretty soft squishy center yeah because you and you can't handle a compliment to save your life and it's gonna be amazing but yeah
I'm looking forward to conversations.
It should be a lot
of fun.
Dan Schaefer just posted.
I just saw this in social media.
We
had Mike Clemens on yesterday.
Yes.
Who is Civic Media Sports reporter.
He's amazing.
He's
everywhere.
He puts on more road miles than just about anybody I know.
Yeah.
But Michael was there when at the birth of the Pack Arena.
Yeah.
And so that is my voice.
If you've heard the Pack Arena from 97.
I have a question.
Yeah.
I was searching for a link for that because I was doing the show notes yesterday, which you can always find our show notes by going to civicmedia.us Slash shows look for Matt and Aaron Aaron find our shows going back about two months There was another pack arena out there on another radio station They claim it to be the original and I'm and I'm telling you this right when did yours come out?
Do you remember exactly I was oh, I don't remember the exact date was it before August of 96
I would say yes.
Okay.
Cause I listened to this and I'm not gonna- Oh, I'm sure it was before August.
I'm not going to name the station.
I'm not going to say the people, but I will tell you I listened to it just because I was like, oh, okay.
It was terrible.
Was it?
It was like, it was, it was.
They didn't use the same lyrics to this.
I don't think so.
No, no, no, we wrote
the
lyrics.
No, and the thing was like, it's like when you watch someone try to do a home movie of a real movie, but they're making a home movie and you're like, yeah, this is just as good as Jaws.
I'm like, no, that's a goldfish and a blow up boat.
Like why are you so close?
Yeah.
So I was sad.
They're going, oh, really?
You're okay.
You're the original.
Wow.
That's really I.
I was completely unaware of that.
Yeah, right.
She was.
She's known about this for years.
She's been targeting them for
decades.
I've been after them for years.
Yes.
I
bought the station and shut it down.
At
the very end of the show, we will wrap it up
as we
always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today, it's the testy turkeys edition.
Oh, I changed it because I wanted some alliteration.
Sorry about that.
Oh, now you have to change the
show.
Everything.
Oh, geez.
Testy turkey edition of tizbad coming up at the very
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Wanted to give you a heads up about weather, depending upon where you are in Wisconsin, you can see a mixture of...
rain and snow and sleet, or you could see four to seven inches of snow.
I know.
Heavy sigh.
Aiden Karoski, meteorologist with the National Weather Service says the storm system today will come through.
It's going to start later on this afternoon, about four o'clock, they expect.
The event will begin with snow and then shift to a rain, snow mixture.
by tonight that will continue overnight when rain could become more dominant.
But then by tomorrow morning, it could transition back to snow, which could linger throughout the afternoon.
So this could make for some messy, messy driving tomorrow morning.
And even later on this afternoon and into tonight.
Keep an eye out by going to 511wi.gov.
That's a great website as well as app that allows you to see
where the big problems are.
It allows you to see backups.
It also allows you to see cameras.
So you can get an idea of the conditions.
Yeah, it's really, really helpful app to put on your phone and don't look at it while you're driving.
But like, it's a great way to prep yourself for what you need.
If you need to drive, they can at least be prepared to know what you might be facing.
Yeah,
it's surprises
are bad.
Surprises on the road are bad, especially right now.
This is, I think, our fourth storm.
For
snowstorm in the late fall early winter, which I am
you're not used to this.
Are you
know, it's just throwback to the old days It's very I mean like when I was a kid you had snow from October to March pretty much but
I don't care.
We don't do that anymore.
It
shouldn't be like
this now.
I believe Brittany Merlot, our friend, was talking about La Nina this year.
And if this is the case, I don't like her.
I don't like Nina.
Yeah, but we're anti-Ninja.
Exactly.
Right now.
And also, again, depending upon where you are, they're talking about this potential of four to seven inches of snow along and north of I-94.
And to really put a little kiss on top of it all,
Wind gusts up 30 to 40 miles an hour are possible.
So that'll be fun.
Grand.
Great.
Yeah, please be careful.
And please just stay up on the forecast.
We don't want to have to be reporting on you ending up in a ditch, but rather have
to not have
to
do that.
And also, and I hate saying this because I feel like a parent waving their finger, but.
If you have a car that can handle this kind of weather, that's great.
Just don't drive like you're crazy and know that there are people around you who are trying to stay safe and are maybe nervous driving in this.
So doing the speed limit when no one else is, because your four-wheel drive can handle it, that's great.
But also you gotta be just be mindful of those around you.
You have to.
You have a responsibility driving on those roads.
So it just really angers me when I see that.
And as always,
Physics applies to all of us.
Yeah,
so you might be in that great big vehicle with that big four-wheel drive You're still gonna slide.
Mm-hmm.
Just like the rest of us.
Yeah, so please please be careful one of us start off with this Brooke Rollins, of course, Donald Trump's agriculture secretary Everything is great Greg.
Oh, well for ability is a democratic hoax for one thing.
I mean
Tom Scott percent told us that was so good.
We don't even know it.
So really, it just comes down to it.
Americans just don't
realize how good we
have
said here.
That's what he said yesterday.
Oh, that coffee's hot.
We have a clip from Brooke Rollins, Donald Trump's agriculture secretary talking to Larry Kudlow on Fox News.
Calvin, can you play that clip, please?
Gas is down, lumber is down, eggs are down, Larry Kudlow.
Really everything is coming down, but we believe so sincerely.
Listen, we're not tone deaf.
We know that America, a lot of Americans at least are like, well, we're still not feeling the relief.
The relief is coming.
The structure is there.
The one big beautiful bill tax cuts go into effect.
Costs are coming down.
It really is a golden age just right around the corner and I am so excited.
Just right around the corner, you guys.
It was gonna be day one.
Mm-hmm that that he was gonna address affordability and all of that and that has became affordability is a democratic hoax and now the new messaging is affordability is a problem and it's the Democrats fault
and That's you know what?
That's all bunk in the sense of it doesn't matter who you blame.
It's still a thing
It exists.
This is
people's lived experience.
We're going to the grocery store unlike I have a feeling most of the multi-millionaires within the Trump administration.
Well, and also, you know, it was very interesting the three things she chose to say prices were down.
She's not wrong.
Egg prices did go down this year.
And why did egg prices go down?
Okay.
So lumber prices, egg prices and gas prices, they're all down.
There are all market based reasons why they all went down.
They're not because of the president who's sitting in the room.
They're not because of who's in charge of Congress or the Supreme Court or whatever.
It's because of the market.
The markets they are so in favor of those prices came down because economic
impactors, and that's not the word I'm looking for.
They have changed pre-pandemic prices, or the lumber has not gone down to pre-pandemic prices, but it's come down since the pandemic.
Egg prices went down because of a huge outbreak and sickness in bird flu, and the demand went up, so the prices went up, and the gas prices, we've gone over this so many times.
Yes, national average, as we checked yesterday, was $2.995.
That's great.
But that doesn't matter who the president is.
And I said this when Joe Biden was the president, the president doesn't determine the gas prices so they can take the credit they want.
But there's no, this is not because, and if it's the case, as you said, Jane, why weren't these prices brought down on January the 21st?
Right.
Because he does
not control all of these things.
None of them do.
And especially the price of oil.
It's a
global market.
Yes.
It's a global market.
There are global forces at work.
So no, it's not.
Glad you can afford eggs and that's great and gas, but also groceries and all the other things coffee and tomatoes and all of those things.
Yeah.
When we return the tariffs and small businesses, especially in Wisconsin, they're hurting and need our help.
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We have a clip from MSNDC.
Calvin, can you play that clip, please?
Hey Joe, a big miss on the ADP payrolls.
The private payroll company saying private payrolls said 32,000 workers in November.
That's the fourth negative number in the past six months for this series.
Take a look here.
The estimate was for 40,000, so the street was off on this one.
And how did you get there?
Well, goods producing shed 19,000 workers, service producing shedding 13,000 workers.
But the big story here, and I'll show you more detail on this, is what's happening with small business down 120,000, medium and large business doing okay up 51 and 39,000 respectively.
But take a look at this chart here.
Virtually all of the job losses have come.
from small business, which has been negative in six of seven months since April without those losses, ADP numbers would actually be positive.
But you can't get rid of her.
You can't exclude small business.
Small businesses are the backbone of our economy.
And the tariffs are
crushing them.
It wasn't easy before.
The pandemic didn't make it easier.
And now we're faced with a situation as someone who works in a small business who runs a small business.
I mean, right now we are not running because we are in construction mode, but still this is very concerning for me and concerning for my friends who are also in the same industries.
It's, I don't, I don't know what to, I mean, it's right there in front of us.
This information is right there in front of us.
The numbers do not lie.
These companies have no reason to, like they're not like, they've no reason to lie to suck up to who it's, it's
I'm almost at a loss for words because there is little to no help being done.
And the thing is, is like, I look at something like the farming, getting $12 billion again.
Well, 11
billion because they're hanging onto a billion.
It'll be 16 when it's all said and done.
But point is, is that these are not the things that small businesses want.
They want to have markets that they can compete in.
They want to have an economy where people are,
excited to spend their dollars, which allows the businesses to grow, which allows them to hire more people, which allows, allows, allows.
It's an investment.
I'm gonna
keep saying
it.
It's an
investment.
But when we're suffocating these small businesses, suffocating the quote, I hate saying it because it sounds so disingenuous now, the backbone of the community and the country.
Everything is the backbone that gets the worst treatment.
Nurses, teachers,
small
businesses, farmers.
They're all the backbones and we continually punch at the vertebrae.
This is not how a Party or a group of people who celebrate the marketplace is not how you invest in the market I'm sorry while then allowing these huge billion-dollar corporations to buy each other giving tax breaks While their biggest CEOs are getting golden parachutes not paying taxes on that money and don't forget they get to write off their private planes now, too.
It's just I mean This is a this is a class
issue.
It is.
It
is a class issue.
And I feel like everyone seems to know that chain, but we're not doing anything to further the cause of the class struggle.
Well, it's continuing to talk about it.
Yep, it's continuing to share information and going to my vote.wi.gov and talking to representatives.
Absolutely.
We are going to include this article in our show notes, too.
By the way, this is from Urban Milwaukee.
And there's a big piece about how a lot of Milwaukee area restaurants are struggling.
big time.
Yes.
COVID almost killed a lot of them.
We lost a lot of restaurants and bars during COVID.
And then now for the ones who did manage to hang on and survive.
Now people's pocketbooks are tight.
Things are expensive.
People aren't going out to eat.
Explosion of delivery services.
Absolutely.
So if you can, if you've got a little extra
go patronize a local restaurant.
They really, really need the help.
And I'll say this too, if you want to live, I know it sounds weird, but if you want delivery, find restaurants that employ delivery drivers
instead
of the side ones.
Yeah.
Because those third party delivery apps, I know that those drivers are making money, but those corporations are just siphoning off in revenue from these small businesses.
They take so much from the bottom line.
So
where you
spend your dollars, be smart about it.
And
Yeah.
Especially right now.
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That I wanted to start off with this because you're here.
And this is a, this is
an
opinion piece in the journal Sentinel from Russ Feingold, Jeff Mandel and Rachel Snyder.
U.S.
Supreme Court today is hearing a case.
that could fundamentally reshape our elections by getting rid of one of the last significant limits on campaign spending.
They just are going to open it up now so really, really, really rich people can just buy elections, even more so than they're doing now.
Yes, it's amazing.
It's it's you know when when the McCain fine gold act was first being attacked and then Citizens United came down.
I remember where I was at the time I was in my state Senate office in the state Capitol when I saw the decision come down for the Citizens United case and You know 2010 was already looking like it was going to be a rough year for Democrats
and
I turned to my staff and I said this is
This is not good.
I said, this is going to be, it's going to make a tough year even tougher.
And the spigots had been opened and they've only gotten wider first in the Scott Walker years.
And, you know, with John Roberts on the court and now Donald Trump and the White House, that, you know, the arguments being made before the Supreme Court today are essentially, in my opinion, removing what's left of the window dressing in terms of any, any limits.
Any guardrails.
Yeah.
Yeah, the guardrails of, you know, the the wink wink of, well, I can only give so much to a candidate, but I can give a lot more to the party and the party can give a lot more to the candidate.
So, you know, I can't order the party to give it to the candidate.
Yes, you can.
Nobody's listening.
And that's right.
That's the foolishness that we're stuck in right now.
This should distress everybody.
In 2015, Wisconsin eliminated both limits on individual contributions to political parties and restrictions on coordinated spending between parties and candidates.
Again, this is from an opinion piece in the journal Sentinel Wealthy Donors immediately discovered they could effectively nullify candidate contribution limits
by routing money through the political parties instead.
And as you said, Pat, now they just want to do away with the last vestige of, oh, we're not really doing that.
Yeah, they are.
And now they're just going to let them do it.
Yeah, let's
let's break down that word coordinated the coordinated spending because that's what very nearly got Scott Walker in trouble during his recall campaign.
When the old government accountability board that I helped create in the legislature, you know, a panel of retired judges that were overseeing election laws was getting a little too close to finding an illegal level of coordination involving Walker's campaign and parties
or other
third party groups.
And the whole notion of what we call independent expenditures is that these groups
are supposed to be independent, not operating in cahoots with a campaign.
At that point, just become part of the campaign.
And let me try to take it in a non-partisan way, because I was talking about the smoking ban earlier.
And that was definitely an issue that was not a partisan one.
And so you had outside groups that were for and against the smoking ban.
They were truly independent groups.
That's the reason you had the laws like this, that any group of people could band together, could band their money together, and say, we want a campaign, we want to convey a message to the public.
based on this message that we are coming up with.
But the way it looks right now is that these groups are basically just phonies and they go to the campaign and go, hey, what should our message be?
There's nothing independent about these independent expenditures anymore.
And yes, it's boring to most people, but we keep trying to make it not boring because it is completely fundamental to not having billionaires just buy elections.
And we are talking about massive.
massive amounts of money.
Wisconsin limits individual contributions to gubernatorial candidates to $20,000 per candidate per election.
Before the 2022 election, at least 42 wealthy donors gave Governor Evers the max.
Those same donors also gave the Democratic Party of Wisconsin money almost 23 million.
That party transferred over 18 million directly to Eva's campaign committee over the course of the campaign, all completely legal.
But again, this should annoy people on all sides, not just Republicans, not just Democrats or independents.
Just as American citizens, we should all be able to agree that this isn't good.
It should it reminds me of a time running for Congress in 2012.
Another bad day where I'd been told all through the race, Pat, if you raise one and a quarter million dollars, which is laughable by today's standards, but back in 2012, if you raise one and a quarter million dollars, that's the money we need to pay for a plan that will win the election to Congress in the seventh district.
And around mid to late October of 2012, I got to that mark and I felt so happy about that.
And
And then like a day or two later, the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee announces it's putting $3 million behind ads for Sean Duffy.
And I'm like, why do we even have rules if it's that easy
to
take all the work that, not just me, I'm not looking for pity here.
Any candidate, any candidate should be in charge of their own campaign.
when an outside group or a party can simply come in and say the candidates don't matter.
Well, now the candidates are nothing but pawns in a larger game.
And people are naturally cynical and they want to go, well, it's always been that way and what are you going to do?
No,
it
wasn't that way.
And no,
you
don't have to be cynical.
We can actually be better than this.
We just need, you know, better justices.
We need better people in Congress.
We need to elect better people president.
I think the other thing too, we have to say is
It shouldn't just be Elon Musk, because Elon Musk is a known person.
He's a famous person.
And when he comes into Wisconsin and says, I'm going to put $100 million into this Supreme Court judges race, which is ridiculous.
It shouldn't take the notoriety of the person to make you take notice.
Know that these millionaires and billionaires who you've never heard of are doing the exact same thing every single cycle and it's just as dangerous not because it's the Tesla guy because it's our democracy and it's essentially your choice being taken away from you as well as I don't know like I feel like there are people who want the best
representative to run for their party.
You know, they don't, you know, I'm sure there are a lot of Republicans who say, I don't want this guy or I don't want this woman because they're just a, they're an empty shirt, just a talking head.
Let's get someone who's really good, someone from the community, maybe not a business person who just locks in says, I want this job.
This money makes it so that anyone can run.
As you said, Pat, and it doesn't matter their qualifications, whereas people who are living in the state say, I want a candidate who's going to represent me.
And that also gets suffocated because of the money.
And that's the big problem.
You need to know who's actually donating that money.
And it's always the usual suspects here at Wisconsin.
But you
make a really good point, Greg, in that the big companies are going to back the candidate that is going to work for them.
And that's why, and I said this about the Supreme Court long time ago, they should wear patches like NASCAR drivers.
And just at least...
have to admit where their sponsors are from.
And I just think if they're gonna do this, then all of our politicians should have their blazer on with all of their corporate sponsors because that's who they're going to be working for.
Well,
that's what I'd like to see, actually, when we talk about so-called independent groups.
I'd love to see a truly independent group, say, a Wisconsin democracy campaign or somebody, run an ad just like that.
You wouldn't have to spend a lot of money because it would get a lot of traction
on its
own, but literally make up an ad that uses AI or whatever and puts those patches on these candidates and helps people understand the role of money in this.
And I think people do understand, well, they do understand the role of money.
They understand how bad it is.
I'm taking nothing.
away from Justice Susan Crawford when I say that part of the reason for her election wasn't so much Elon Musk the person, though that played a role, but it was voters who looked at it going, hey, wait a minute, a billionaire
should
not be able to do this.
And I'd love to think that, you know, that was responsible for a lot of votes.
I don't know if it was or not, but it wasn't zero.
So I've got to be encouraged by that.
And that's what I want to say.
All right.
and take out the name Elon Musk and put this billionaire in here.
You don't know who they are, and they may not be as rich as Elon Musk, but they are still doing the exact same thing.
They believe they can walk into Wisconsin, or they may live here, it doesn't matter.
They can walk into the election room and say, here's the check, do what I want, and you vote the way I believe.
And no, we said handily this spring,
No, to that sort of behavior.
And it had a knock on effect.
While Elon Musk is still very rich and getting his way, he disappeared after that election.
He was absolutely embarrassed and he was shamed and shunned out of the Trump White House.
And we know what is best for Wisconsin.
And we know who should represent us.
And that's why we shouldn't allow, I don't care if it's the U-Lines, the Banards, the Hendricksons.
Or the rich people, the rich Democrats too, who are, it's not right.
And I feel like we agree on it.
It just seems like such a mountainous task to take on hundreds of billions of dollars.
And now it's in front of the Supremes.
And I think it's a pretty easy guess which way they're
going to
fall, since they're the ones who gave Citizens United the OK.
John Roberts is all about this.
Oh, yeah, and of course they've got their own ethical quagmire that they're dealing with and and they're wishing everybody would stop looking at in terms
of
accepting trips and and jet air private jet rides and you know all manner of other gifts and Aren't accountable to anybody and don't really have a true code of ethics So I mean it really is a modern-day case of the fox guarding the hen house and it's going to take a long time
to reform this, and it's gonna have to be with the help of people who do write big checks to people who are gonna get in there and say, we're gonna make it so that I don't need your big checks
anymore.
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Wanted to talk about this exchange between the president and of course a female reporter.
We're waiting for it now.
Donald Trump said last week, I believe it was like six days ago, that he said they were going to release the footage of us blowing up this boat.
off the coast of Venezuela.
And then he was asked about it again yesterday.
We have a little compilation of last week's exchange and yesterday's exchange.
Calvin, can you play that
please?
first boat strike on September 2nd, but not the second video.
Will you release video of that strike so that the American people can see for themselves what happened?
I don't
know what they have, but whatever they have would certainly release, no problem.
Mr. President, you said you would have no problem with releasing the full video of that strike on September 2nd off the coast of Venezuela.
Secretary Haigstaff now says... I
didn't say that.
You said that.
I didn't say that.
This is ABC thing news.
No, you said that.
five or six days ago, you said it out loud.
It's on video.
Fake news.
So
AI news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What this allows Donald Trump to do is he always can say.
Oh, well, it's Pete Hegseth.
You know, much as we talked on the show today about how, you know, there's a new defense bill that included IVF coverage for members of the military.
Trump always says, I'm the father of IVF, but Speaker Mike Johnson, you know, took the language out.
And so they'll go to Trump and say, hey, you're going to fight for IVF.
Oh, you know, it was Mike Johnson.
It was Pete Hegseth.
It's always, it's always somebody else.
It's not him.
He's, he's powerless.
Right.
Until the
times he wants to be all powerful.
It's all very convenient.
Yeah, it's amazing and we were talking about off the air.
We had this discussion and I would like to cover this a little bit He's doing this to female reporters Specifically calling them piggy calling them idiots calling them morons and he has done it to some male reporters, but it's very very much women reporters who get this kind of horrible pushback from him and
It's kind of a tough spot for male reporters.
I'm seeing a lot of people going where are you guys sticking up for these female reporters?
That's a really tough spot for them to be in I
have to imagine that in that room when you're fighting for the job and fighting for the the response I can't imagine
I don't know how it looks for, how does a male reporter square standing up for them while remaining respectful and saying they deserve their agency instead of going, don't worry, I've got this.
Yeah, let me take care of it before you
little lady.
And not to mention the fact, putting your own job at risk too.
So I feel like when people are like, where are the male reporters out there sticking up for the women's like, that's a nuanced conversation I believe has probably been had in the room of the reporters and they don't need us saying you need to be doing X, Y and Z.
Well, and it may also be these female reporters saying, I really appreciate
I appreciate it, but I don't need you stepping in to defend me.
Right.
This is, this is all a matter of access.
There are only so many reporters that are allowed this.
And along with everything else you just said, all of those reporters are hearing from their bosses saying, don't take the bait.
Right.
Because yeah, you'll get a, you'll get a viral moment where you go, Mr. President, that was out of line.
She, you should apologize to her that you'll get your viral moment.
but then you get your press pass taken away.
And then they have to fight all over again for access or they don't get the access.
And pretty soon Matt Gaetz is a Pentagon reporter.
because there aren't any actual reporters left at the Pentagon.
So I think your point is the better one that, you know, these women and others, they are professionals and they have said, you know, getting this kind of treatment from what we used to call in our younger days, a male chauvinist pig, you know, is just par for the course.
You roll with it.
History is going to look less kindly on them than it is on me for getting picked on by this.
jerk for lack of a better term and carry on with your day and you know just show the people what he's like and that's what you just did there again.
But but as you mentioned on your show Pat when I was listening this morning on the way in Donald Trump has given people permission to be their worst selves completely out in the open.
It's you're just being your
authentic horrible self.
Yes, he has lifted the rock, you know, that so many other racists and bigots lived under for the longest time.
He's given them oxygen and they have flourished and it doesn't matter if you're a member of Congress on Twitter or a clerk at Cinnabon, when you see the president talking like this, you feel emboldened to do the things that you would normally be ashamed and embarrassed to do.
I don't know.
Don't always talk of putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
I don't know how we get people to crawl back under that rock if they really want to hang on to that racism or bigotry.
But we should we should never stop fighting for ways to call out these kinds of this kind of bad action.
We're supposed to be better than this.
We are supposed to be.
Yes.
Yes.
Pat Kratlow mornings with Pat Kratlow six to nine across the network.
Thank you so very, very much, Pat.
It has been an absolute joy and a pleasure getting to know you and to work with you.
Oh, it has just been wonderful, Jane.
Thank you.
You
You've just earned every little bit of all the fun you're going to tell us about.
Just don't tell us about it too much.
I don't want you to think about it.
Just go do it.
Just give us an
update later.
I will.
Thanks a lot, Pat.
Take
care.
Thank you, Jane.
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Nicole Gabriel is with Fair Maps Coalition.
She's a volunteer and relational organizer.
Nicole, good morning.
Thank you so much for joining us.
How are you?
For having me.
I'm great.
Wonderful.
Thank you.
So where are we with maps?
We know that one set of maps in Wisconsin has gotten changed, but now we are looking at more changes.
So where are we exactly on on fair maps in Wisconsin legislative maps?
the legislative maps.
Yeah, so our legislative maps were recently redrawn in 2024.
Our state Supreme Court found that those maps were unconstitutional based on non-contiguity, which basically means that there were various districts on those maps that were not physically connected to each other.
So as it stands right now, our legislative maps are maybe not completely fair, but they're fairer than
they
were.
Yes, and they were previously.
However, the process that we have in place, like the process that gave us those gerrymandered maps in the first place is the same process that we have in place right now, and the same process that we could potentially have in place after 2030 when our maps are redrawn.
So if we don't have a different process in place by 2030, we could just end up with the same gerrymandered maps we started with.
And as for our congressional maps, those weren't touched.
The congressional maps are still gerrymandered.
So from what we've seen coming out since the passing of the new map structure for Wisconsin, what is being done to secure that we don't go through this again?
Because those maps were just changed, and now we're less than a few years away from doing it all over again.
So what is the goal for Wisconsin as far as making fair
You know, I want to say safe maps, right?
But just so we're not doing this over and over or every 10 years where we're changing the maps and five years later, we're back in the courts.
What is being done to help make this process consistent and easier?
Well, right now the Wisconsin Fair Maps Coalition is working with the League of Women Voters.
We actually have a group of volunteers from the League of Women Voters that have drafted a proposed piece of fair maps legislation.
It's called an independent redistricting commission legislation.
We don't have a bill number quite yet, but they have drafted this proposed piece of legislation based on how we've seen other states successfully kill their gerrymander.
So for example, states like Arizona, Colorado, and Michigan, and what the...
Sorry, my cat wants to join the redistricting
conversation.
No
problem.
Every voice counts.
Every
voice counts, Nicole.
Everyone gets to be heard.
Everyone gets to be heard.
He
loves to talk about redistricting.
Everyone gets
to be
heard.
Yeah.
Dumb joke.
Sorry.
Go on.
Oh no, that's okay.
So yeah, what the the League of Women Voters ad hoc redistricting committee has done is they've kind of Frankensteined a Wisconsin model based off of best practices that they've taken from those other states that have successfully implemented an independent redistricting commission.
And what an independent redistricting commission is is it's an in just like it sounds it's an commission completely independent of the legislature that draws the maps and it's
it's comprised of citizen commissioners, so no more politicians drawing the voting maps that secures their own seats.
That's a really important point, folks, that I think just needs to be repeated.
Do we want our elected officials to be the ones who get to decide where their district is?
They don't get to pick their voters.
We get to pick our representatives.
And by allowing our politicians to have a voice in this on all sides.
Because we've seen what's happened in Illinois.
That's very heavily gerrymandered.
And I don't think a lot of Wisconsinites want that here either.
But it's about, again, are we going to allow our politicians to pick their voters?
Or is it going to be the other way around, the way it's supposed to be?
And I think the, the, the examples you brought up is really good, Nicole, because, you know, one we have, you have, I'm not doing anything, I'm talking to you, but like you have examples of not only the program working, but you've got it from two states that when you say, what do you think of Colorado?
Most people are going to say it's quote blue.
And you say, what do you think about Arizona?
Most people are going to say
it's red.
So what we see is two very different examples, two different states using the same idea to help create a more stable.
system of making sure that our voices are represented properly because I worked in small government in 2009 and 2010 wheat and I watched our city administrator go through his comments on what the map should look like and he said to me at one point he was I've poured over these maps for weeks.
I know they're not going to listen to me at all because
Those politicians had their own agenda.
And so what we do is we take that away from them and we put it in, as you said, Nicole, independent individuals
who have the
best interests of the people in mind versus a party, hopefully, hopefully.
Hopefully, yeah.
And in those states in Arizona and Colorado where they did this, Nicole, where did they get these people from?
I mean, were these volunteers?
Did they volunteer to be on the maps commission?
I'm just curious.
Well, they are paid.
So they are paid commissioners, and it's basically just residents from the state.
So anybody who, at least based on our model, anyone who is of voting age can apply.
And there are certain things that can disqualify them.
For example, if they're like an immediate family member of a current politician or something like that.
Makes
sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there are certain things that can disqualify them from the commission, but basically it's just regular citizens.
So we want, um, what those states have done and what we want for Wisconsin is for anybody who's a voting, who's a registered voter in Wisconsin can apply for this commission and be considered.
Okay.
I mean, we're talking about these, but there's also, of course, in the news, we see a lot about the congressional maps as well.
And it's, as far as I know, if I'm correct, they want to try to get this done before April.
So it's like,
more fair, that's
not it.
More balanced, there we go.
But do you think, Nicole, that that is a possibility to get it done in, I mean, honestly, less than four months now with everything going on with all the elections?
I mean, what is the feasibility of that to get it kickstarted and actually happen and implemented in time?
I do think that it's possible for this to get done before April.
I know that I think it's the
Wisconsin business leaders for democracy v. Weck is the the court case that's challenging that and they are they're taking steps.
So I think the most recent update from them was that a three a judge panel was finally appointed that will agree to hear the case.
So it's moving forward.
So I do think that it's possible that it can get done by April.
That would be that would be huge.
That would be huge.
I'm sure it's not going to be without its fights too because if you we saw a lot of fighting over the past how many years saying
trying to invoke the Constitution, Wisconsin, democracy, all those things saying, we can't redo these maps now because dot, dot, dot, but you have to do them sometime.
And if it's possible, at least to look at them, I think that's an important thing.
It seems there are people out there who really want this to happen.
If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, our guest is Nicole Gabriel.
She is with the Fair Maps Coalition, a volunteer in the relational
organizer, and we are talking obviously about maps in Wisconsin and most recently trying to get the the House districts redrawn by April 8th to two lawsuits, as you said, Nicole, are pushing forward with this.
Is there anything that folks who are listening can do?
I mean, other than possibly apply or I don't know, reach out to the League of Women Voters, what what can regular folks do about this if they would like to get involved?
Yeah, so there's a number of things they can do.
So our website is fairmapswi.com.
Again, shameless plug
here.
That's fairmapswi.com.
So if you want to volunteer with us, please head over to our website and submit the volunteer form.
We're also hosting presentations all across the state to
educate people on gerrymandering in wisconsin and also our proposal to implement an independent redistricting commission so if you'd like to help us uh help host us at your group um at your church wherever um reach out to us and we can
come around and do a presentation to you and your network.
Another thing that people can do is that they can contact their legislators to pressure them to support this very important piece of legislation.
So on our website, we also have a call script and an email template to make it easier for people to reach out to their legislators.
And we also have some pointers on how to find out who your legislators are.
And the last thing,
Sorry,
the last thing I want to
mention that people can do is that
Well, firstly, we are hoping to get this bill passed during this current legislative session.
However, if for whatever reason this bill doesn't pass during this current legislative session, then we will be working with the governor assembly members and senators that are voted in during the general election next year.
And so what people can do is they can go into the general elections knowing what their candidate's stances are on independent redistricting legislation.
going to going to them, asking them point blank what their stances are on that and then being prepared to vote accordingly.
If you are not sure who is your elected representative, there's an easy way to find out.
It's called W I.
Very easy.
It's a very easy
website.
Myvote.wi.gov.
That's it.
Go there and put in your information.
It will tell you who represents you from the president down to the dog catcher if that's the person you vote for.
Also, you can find out your voting registration information.
That's always important to keep up on as well.
You want to make sure you are registered to vote in your proper district.
But go to myvote.wi.gov, call, email.
If you have the chance, maybe visit if they're around, but be respectful.
Tell them that these are important things for you.
And as you said, Nicole, I think that's very, very...
It's very much a part of like who we look for in our candidates is who are the people who are going to bring the most most payoff for our voice as far as like who will actually represent us in Madison who will be the actual voice of the people and those
who want to run for office or for reelection have a responsibility to answer these questions, especially when it comes to the matter of fair maps, because I don't want to be doing this every few years.
We just need a system that works and works for
everyone.
Well, and I think it's important as well that politicians should be auditioning for us.
We shouldn't be auditioning for them.
They work for us.
They are supposed to sell us on them.
That's their job.
I'm curious, Nicole, when you do go out into the community, are you hearing from all sides of the aisle?
I can't imagine that every Republican thinks that gerrymandering is great, or do they?
I don't know.
No, they don't.
I mean, Moas counties in Wisconsin have passed non-binding referendums in favor of independent redistricting legislation.
In fact, it might be every single county, actually, that has passed non-binding referendums.
So we know that it's not just Democrats that disagree with Jerry Mandarin.
It's people from both sides of the aisle.
Yeah.
And I think that's an important thing to keep in mind, too, because I feel like this discussion can get so waylaid by
the politics of it all to make it very talking point heavy, but really when we're getting down to the nuance of it all, this is about having a fair system which creates an election that allows all to run and I keep saying the proper voice of the people.
Get involved!
It's not too late.
No, it's not.
There's always time.
We'll include links in our show notes to the Fair Maps Coalition.
Nicole Gabriel, thank you so very much for joining us.
Really, really appreciate it.
Thank you guys.
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Coming up after the 1030 News, she is the fabulous farm babe.
Pam Yankee is gonna join us.
We're gonna talk a little bit about the bailout.
Donald Trump announced yesterday 11 12 billion dollars.
It'll be 16 by by when it's Yeah, and they can start applying for it from what I heard this morning next month, okay?
So I would assume that by the time they get their payments.
It's gonna be three or four months.
I know that's
Again, long-term planning.
Yeah, exactly.
So we'll talk to Pam Yankee about that.
At least a little relief seems to be coming for our farmers, if nobody else.
Something we wanted to talk about quickly because this is another thing that's kind of going underneath the radar with everything else that's going on.
We did mention this Netflix deal.
Yeah.
It was just mentioned at the beginning of this week.
Yep.
$82
billion
to buy Netflix.
Well now, this from the Daily Beast.
Donald Trump and Jared Kushner's plot to turn CNN full mega is exposed.
Donald Trump wants to see changes at CNN.
David Ellison is the son of billionaire Trump buddy Larry Ellison.
David Ellison is tailing administration officials.
He'll make big changes to CNN if Paramount's hostile bid to buy Warner Brothers Discovery goes through.
I know.
I mean, the
reason
the reason Paramount launched a $108 billion hostile takeover bid backed by Jared Kushner.
Because Jared Kushner is a part of this whole thing.
Exactly.
After it lost out to Netflix.
in the bidding war for Warners, which owns Hollywood Studios, CNN, HBO, HDTV, a whole bunch of movie and TV shows.
After news broke that Netflix bid to take over Warner would be accepted, Larry Ellison called Trump to warn that this would hurt competition.
So just give it to us.
Well, they
also told Warner Brothers that this will go a lot smoother in the process because you've got
Larry Ellison, who is a friend of Trump as well as his son in law, Jared Kushner, the man who does everything apparently.
So yeah, this was, I think it was within 24 hours of the Netflix deal being announced because it hasn't gone through.
No one's bought anybody yet.
It will be months before anything officially goes through.
But I think, yeah, it is.
very telling that they're not being secret at all about what A, they want to do and B, how they are going to do it.
And it is by sucking up to the president, the administration, and by using his son-in-law to get there.
So, I don't know, this goes back to the idea that eventually there'll be one company.
One media
company.
Well, no, there can be one company.
There'll just be one company, eventually.
Which is not good.
No, it's not.
That's
not good for...
any of us.
I was under the impression that a marketplace thrives with competition and you can't have competition when there is none or there's very little and all of them are owned by multi-billionaire conglomerates who are run by multi-billionaires to begin with.
It just means that it gets everything gets watered down, everything gets not great and it's all about
it's all about how do they make their money then their clicks their likes their engagement all that corporate speak and not producing I mean look if you're in a media company your job is to produce good media and they don't have to do that when there's
no business
across the street
or they bought
that business
when they own everything and I also personally this is a very Victor Orban kind of thing Victor Orban when he was elected in Hungary essentially took over all the universities
And then he took over all the independent media companies.
And if we're going to have all buddies of the person in the old office dictating the news we hear, the news we see, it's one big propaganda operation.
It's not good.
Well, the thing is, it's like, I don't know, propaganda is one thing, but also just the fact that I go back to, I want these companies to make good television and movies.
I want them to actually
Want to create great programming because that's the point of TV and movies is to be entertained and when they don't have to do that and You'll
be happy
with what we give you and also let's also be honest, too I'll bet you a lot of money that most of the people don't even really like the guy but they know they have to get in tight with them in order to do anything and therefore they have to
throw them a bone.
Here's here.
Here's a TV, make up a prize.
Here's
a prize.
Here's a TV show.
Here's an appearance.
Here's a show.
Here's a thing for your kid, your grand kid, like all that stuff.
When they don't want to do it in the first place, they just want, they just want to do what they always do is make money and lots of it.
And that leaves us once again, sitting here as the people who are paying for it.
We're the ones paying for, by the way, they might be on the stock market and they might, and they may be the billionaires, but it's our dollars that pay for their boats.
Speaking of our dollars.
Yeah.
Our dollars, apparently going to be going to help out some of our farmers who have been hurt by Trump's tariff policies.
We'll talk about that and so much more on the other side.
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Pam Yankee is here.
Good morning, my friend.
How are
you?
Hello, honey.
How are you?
Congratulations on one foot out the door.
Thank you.
Yes.
My final show Friday after 44 years.
But my goodness, I bet you've been doing it as long as you've been in broadcasting as long as me.
Well,
Yeah, I mean, it's the only thing I've ever done.
I started my first, I got a national farm broadcaster scholarship in 86, which already dates me.
And then I started working in 87 in farm broadcasting.
I've been in Madison since 90.
Wow.
Wow.
You've been around a long time.
And
I'm really kind of, you know, as many of us in the business would say,
We're like dodo birds.
You don't see many of us anymore that made a career out of being in radio and especially a farm broadcaster.
I mean that To make it through ownership changes and format changes and all that kind of stuff.
I'm I'm pretty blessed.
So well, I'm loving it Well, you
you perform a really important service though and everybody talks about how important our farmers are and we give a lot of lip service to our farmers you actually do it and and and and
Cover things I think that are critically important and and you have a very important lane that you fill you have a very important spot that you fill
I thought it was interesting before the break talking about How thin Journalists are in a lot of regards, you know, you know regular mentioning about entertainment and now that's all of a sudden getting to be a pretty narrow batch Yes, it's same with farm broadcasters when I started in farm broadcasting man.
I think I want to say there was somewhere in the neighborhood of
close to 300 certified farm broadcasters across the United States.
And now our numbers are down to about 190.
Now granted, the industry's changed.
You know, I used to be on just one radio station.
Now I'm on 38.
So I get it.
It's kind of like farms.
Farms used to be, you know, 50 cows and 200 acres.
Well, now farms are 1000 cows and 1000 acres.
So it's kind of, it keeps up with the scale, but
to your point.
It's hard to cover a lot of those bases when you are just one.
Yeah, no
kidding.
And I would say, you know, I have learned a lot over these past few years about the farmers here, the farming industry, and what they're really looking for.
I would say, you know, and this question is for people on any side of the aisle who vote for whomever, what are the big points you feel like the non-farmers
who say they support the farmers are missing in this world.
What are we missing?
What are we not seeing that really should open our eyes to see the struggle of what's going on in our farmlands here in Wisconsin and throughout the country?
Well, let's take, for example, the announcement made yesterday about the Farmer Bridge program.
We've been talking about that and talking about that for months.
So a lot of farmers in Wisconsin had already kind of factored in something's coming.
And now one thing, I guess,
i i understand my job as a journalist is to be switzerland i'm the
middle of the
road sure i have no opinion you should you i should never give you an impression that i have an opinion that i believe is my responsibility and i kind of instill that my staff too we are we are switzerland we have no opinion so one thing i ask people to think about when they hear of these announcements take it a little step further one of my uh commodity brokers on the show this morning reminded people that almost
100% of the money that is going to be coming from the federal government, regardless of size, will be going to pay bills that are currently on our books.
Everything has gone up as far as price, fertilizer, herbicides, the seed, labor, diesel, everything has gone up, land rents.
And as a farm kid, I'm absolutely serious about this.
They will put that check in the bank.
and they will write a check to the co-op, to the seed dealer, to the petro person, and it will be flat.
Yeah, it's not like somebody's going to be riding around in an escalade.
It just doesn't work that way in agriculture.
We are, in so many years, hand-to-mouth.
All we're trying to do is get to next year because we are eternal optimists.
Next year will be better.
Things will be better.
And now remember, this program also only covers in Wisconsin.
corn, soybeans, peas, oats, wheat.
I'm gonna miss another one.
Barley.
There's only six commodities in this 12 billion, which yesterday, Brooke Rollins, US Ag Secretary, corrected Trump.
It's 11 billion.
Exactly.
Those six crops in Wisconsin are the only ones that are going to see any money.
So our dairy faction is still waiting.
Our pork producers are still waiting.
Anybody that doesn't grow those six crops like hate producers pasture is they're all kind of waiting but then again their markets with the exception of dairy I've got to say dairy has been impacted by the international stuff, but you know the other markets are a little bit less Ruffled so
well, and you are a journalist and you have I think probably more lines and to the people who talk than we do sometimes and beef has been a
big problem for our American farmers.
There's been a lot of talk, a lot of discussion from the administration about where we should buy beef.
And then Brooke, Brooke Rollins came out and said, we want to make it more, make it easier for people to become beef farmers.
And I don't know about you, Pam.
I don't know anybody who wakes up on a Friday and says, you know what?
So do you hear anything coming down the pike?
Any chatter about possible bailout money for the beef farmers who are definitely struggling as well?
No, nothing at all.
Okay.
All right.
They're not struggling.
They're not struggling.
They're
not.
Not struggling.
Beef is about one of the only sectors that's holding its own.
And because our beef herd is so low, dairy has stepped into that fold
with what
we call beef on dairy.
That is about the only upside for our dairy producers.
They've been able to pay some bills because the beef market's good.
So they're selling steers, they're selling call cows, they're selling that too.
So it's like Robin Peter to pay Paul.
I'll sell these beef animals to try to pay for
my dairy cows for right now.
And so no, beef is fine.
And to your point, we just had a story about how many young people and people in second careers want to do exactly what you just said.
I'd love to have a couple beef.
I'd love to have a grow a larger, you know, like maybe a farm market garden.
There are a lot of people that would love to get an agriculture.
Maybe not dairy because that's a lot of overhead.
Maybe not big cash crop unless you're connected with somebody.
But if people can find the acreage, they'd love to have beef.
They'd love to have sheep.
We've seen how backyard birding has reconnected people with their version of farming.
And there are a lot of young people that would like to get involved in
I call them gardens and I don't mean to be disrespectful.
I'm lacking a phrase of, you know, the fresh produce market.
So like there's a farmer mentor program going on right now where they're putting these people with farmers that have been in the business so that they have somebody to lean on when they have questions.
So there are actually more people than you expect that want to get into agriculture.
There's even more people, Greg, that work a second job so they can be in agriculture.
And that is
I don't know how to explain it.
If you live it and you're in it, you know it.
Maybe it's the same way that we look at something like somebody that's just rabid about race cars.
They are dedicated to their race cars, but it's not financially viable, so they still have to work an off-track job, if you know what I mean.
A lot of those kinds of things that are happening in production agriculture is another one where people want it so bad.
that the work is second job just to have it.
If you're just joining us on that Nair on air, Pam Yankee is our guest.
She is the fabulous farm babe talking among other things about the $11 billion bailout coming to some of our farmers.
Going back to beef prices, Pam, the one thing I want to talk about though are the processors because that seems to be the biggest issue as far as the cost of beef because if I tell me if I'm wrong, there are only like four
processing plants in the country so they control everything.
Well they do control a lot you're right and that's why the president has said that he was going to make sure he was
going to investigate antitrust.
That's been something that groups like the Wisconsin Farmers Union have been asking for for a long time.
We just found out that a plant in Nebraska, a big Tyson plant, Nebraska beef processing is going to close.
Now that had been talked about in the industry for a while because it's antiquated, it's old facility, it's not efficient.
And we just have to remember
at the crux of this is we just don't have a lot of beef cattle.
Our beef herds are at historical lows, which has given dairy the chance.
And those processors suffer with those low numbers as well.
They just can't make their plants run as efficiently as their equations.
are lined up to.
So it's true.
And I do find fault with the beef processors, especially when my beef producers aren't getting the money.
But right now, beef producers are sitting on the happy side of the equation.
And a lot of our producers that are the processors are a little bit more lean.
So there's plenty of
plenty of conversation going around about who did what and why and who should be held accountable.
And to your point, Greg, we are already getting small amounts of Argentinian beef and Brazilian beef in, but it's low, low, low quality.
It's basically blended to keep your hamburgers at fast food restaurants cheaper so that you can afford them.
It's fine, it's safe, but it's never going to make a dent the way that has been promised.
would be the dent to bring consumer prices down it just doesn't have the steam people don't realize what a big industry beef is in the united states
and i think it's an important reminder to him one of the reasons why our stock is so low is because a few years ago there was a terrible drought that affected a big portion of the country and a lot
of our
a lot of our ranchers.
It was cheaper to send their cows to slaughter than to try and feed them.
It was simply too expensive.
They had to.
They had to.
And the other thing, Jane, is kind of you and I talking.
The average age of a rancher or beef producer is about like you and I in their sixties.
When you walk out the door, are you ready to jump in and get in high debt to
replenish your beef and keep things going.
So there's a lot of dynamics going on there.
But yeah, like you said, the bottom line is between the snowstorms that have froze cattle to the ground, the drought, which provides no food at all.
And now the screwworm, new world screwworm in Mexico, that allows us to not exchange cattle with Mexico, all of it comes together to really reflect in the beef prices you're paying today.
And that's I guess that was the crux of the question is
will, you know, any sort of relief that comes because it seems like, I don't want to say the worst of it, but like some of the biggest effects are still yet to come with like with the screw room and everything, but will there be money set aside to help these 60, some year old beef herders who were just trying to make it if they have to, you know, make tough choices.
They have to make tough choices every day, every year, but, you know,
they know that there has been talk from the administration that there will be some financial stimulus to try to help the next generation of farmers.
But again, you really got to look at it enterprise by enterprise, commodity by commodity in almost geographic region by geographic region, because I'll tell you what, raising beef here in Wisconsin on a dairy operation where we've got all kinds of corn, all kinds of water, all kinds of space versus running them across
government land in the Sierra Nevada and trying to keep them going there and put gain on them, two very different business models.
So I don't know, Greg, like I said, I know the administration has promised that they're going to try to help make those young opportunities for young producers.
Good luck.
Good
luck.
She is the fabulous farm babe.
It has been such a delight working with you and getting to know you over the years.
Pam, thank you so very, very much.
Enjoy it right off into the sunset
with your hair on
fire.
Thank you so much.
Stay with us.
We'll wrap it up with this shouldn't be a thing at testy turkey edition.
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Andra grew up in a Christian nationalist household, has some very, very interesting perspectives on the Christian nationalists who are now working in the Trump administration, rust vote being among them.
And making a huge changes to the way our country runs.
Absolutely.
So Andra will be joining us in hour number one.
Hour number two, we've been moving things around a little bit because we have some other special guests who are going to be joining us later this week.
So Jim Santel will be here hosting.
of amicus, a law review on Saturdays from nine to 11, lots of things legal to talk about.
Well, the Supreme Court right now making huge decisions
to give
the president even more power.
That's something he wanted to discuss.
And I feel like that's a huge issue.
And it's
yeah, it's, uh, there's lots of big stuff.
Uh, Jim Santel in hour number two, Tony, Tony Lourino.
Uh, he's a radio consultant.
A friend of mine and also a former colleague that I worked with for a long time.
So Tony's going to join us for audio survey tomorrow.
That is where we are right now though.
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It's time for this shouldn't be a thing.
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Local Tisbet for today.
From Wisconsin Public Radio, Rich Creamer with the byline, the headline reads, Gobbler Problem.
After repeated attacks, Eau Claire to relocate troublesome turkeys.
Yeah.
City officials working with the USDA to stop menacing males that sent one person to the hospital.
What?
A group of aggressive male turkeys in Eau Claire generating police calls.
causing one local residents to avoid a walking trail and also sent a guy to the hospital with a one inch cut to his arm.
In May, an Eau Claire resident showed video on a local TV station in which two male turkeys were chasing a woman who's yelling behind her, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Stop yelling at me.
I'm sorry.
It's
very, very Wisconsin.
It's
very Wisconsin.
Another resident told the DV station the same birds chased him during a run.
DNR gave the city some advice to share.
They said, if you stand your ground, aggressive turkeys should turn tail and run.
In this instance, that did not work.
All right.
I'm gonna put forth a little piece of information here, and I wanted to reframe the way we're seeing this whole thing.
I don't think they're being aggressive, and I don't think they're unwarranted.
America consumes 46 million turkeys a year on Thanksgiving alone.
Doesn't this feel like
some very forgiving payback?
I mean, they're not going at us the birds style, they're just saying, hey!
We see what you're doing.
We know what you did.
And I want to know what he went to the hospital for, too, by the way.
A gentleman that was on TV got interviewed.
He said he stood his ground against the aggressive turkeys, kicked one of them in the head, which made it more aggressive.
Oh, shocking.
He ended up with a one inch cut on his hands, had to go to the hospital to get a tetanus shot update.
Bergus said the city has now decided to relocate the turkeys, but where they'll go, no one knows.
Some place where it's very unlikely they will encounter human traffic.
They've been asked to look around the wooded area between this particular trail and the river so that they can drop a net to catch them.
I don't know why, I'm just on the turkey side right now.
Obviously, you are siding with the turkeys.
I think if you're gonna, well, first of all, don't kick a turkey in the head, apparently that doesn't work.
And also, rude.
And second of all, I would say this.
If you're going to run away, I would just scream the following words.
I understand your frustration and I too feel bad for everything.
And just keep on booking it back to your safe, warm house where your turkeys can't get to you.
I guess, Mike, because they have turkeys in Wauwatosa.
Yeah.
And I was there last week and one turkey stopped.
Traffic.
Yeah, North Avenue.
And Jane, what did you say your solution to that was?
Why can't we shoot
him?
Yeah, there you go.
What a
what a fair-minded Just a
great response.
We have turkey hunting season.
Oh, do you want to call Bill and get up all in his in his is Duds be like, hey, we got a turkey situation Come on on down to like, you know the corner of this and this and you know blast it away
Maybe it's I person.
I maybe it's I have a problem with their attitude
There's just so what are you gonna?
What are you gonna?
They didn't
provoke this they didn't provoke this they are the Defenders you are the aggressor and I feel I stand up for turkeys.
I'm with you turkeys Whirly what I'm saying is please don't attack me just know that I was always on your side
City officials say turkeys living in larger cities could be very used to people Mm-hmm and that can lead to issues when males are fighting for dominance during the mating season Of
course, it's dudes
natural.
Also, how do you get
fun?
Used to humans.
I'd love to find that out.
There's
a way to make that.
How do you
get used to humans?
I'm still trying to figure out how to get used to humans.
You're not used to humans yet.
Not lately.
You stop chasing people, though.
I won't go that far.
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