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So Dan Schaefer is here, Civic Media's political editor and the creator of the multi-award-winning Recombobulation Area.
Let's talk a little bit about redistricting and a quote that does not exist.
This seems problematic.
Although I would imagine there's going to be some excuse.
So last week, this grill absolutely got buried before the Thanksgiving holiday weekend.
But the Wisconsin Supreme Court announced that they were taking a major step towards addressing the state's congressional map.
There are two cases that are advancing in Wisconsin about
the congressional maps, there's one advanced by the Elias Law Group, one by Law Forward, another number of partners.
But in this, you know, I don't know, a recent Supreme Court decision, Annette Ziegler, the former Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court,
U.S.
Supreme Court in what she had written and she said something that there was, you know, I'm just going to read from this story from Slate.
Ziegler quoted a recent Supreme Court decision, Moore versus Harper, for the proposition that state courts role in congressional districting is quote exceedingly limited.
There's just one problem, Moore.
the case more, said no such thing.
That quotation appears nowhere in the ruling.
To the contrary, Moore held the opposite, concluding that state courts can play a legitimate, meaningful role in congressional redistricting.
By Wednesday morning, again, this was initially on Tuesday, so the following day, by Wednesday morning, the court had withdrawn the opinion from its website and replaced it with a partial correction without publicly acknowledging the mistake.
Yet this new version doubled down on the first drafts underlying error It continues to assert that the Supreme Court of the United States severely restricted state courts oversight of Congressional Districting Which is not the case basically what happened a few years ago is that they said this should go back to state courts So she misquoted it and replaced it with something and was wrong on both counts
the right-wing legal establishment in the state has taken with its approach to redistricting all over the place.
Like, you know, a couple years ago when there was that big decision that the Supreme Court made to strike down the maps, well, that was for the non-conteguity or like some of these detailed specifics that they got wrong.
And so there are continued challenges to the congressional maps because they did things that they got wrong.
They invented this least change thing out of nowhere.
That was wrong.
They have struck that down.
So there's all sorts of legal sloppiness happening on the right wing side all over the place with this.
So I think you have to recognize that that is a distinct aspect of this.
This is not what's happening in California or Virginia or some of these other states that are saying we need to
you know, combat what's happening in Texas or whatever else by redistricting our congressional maps.
That's not what's happening.
What's happening in Wisconsin is that there are legitimate legal challenges to problematic maps that are advancing in a normal legal process way.
And there are two of them happening.
I have, I'm working on a story about the law forward advanced challenge.
That's the legal group based in Madison that propped up a couple of years ago.
They're the ones that got the maps overturned a couple of years ago in the state.
level.
Their congressional challenge is not about partisan gerrymandering.
Their challenge is an anti-competitive gerrymandering challenge, saying that these congressional maps were drawn to favor incumbents and reduce competitiveness.
And so making it so it's
easier for for those
And we have, you know, so such competitive politics in Wisconsin in so many ways, we are the 5050 state, we are right on the edge of everything, but we don't really have that many competitive congressional seats.
I think the third third district is obviously the most competitive, you know, Ron kind represented that for a long time.
Derek van Ordens been there.
I think he's beatable under the current maps.
But I also think like
the maps at large have legal problems underlying them in very basic senses.
So I think that's the point to consider here.
This is not a congressional partisan gerrymandering challenge.
There are problems with this when it comes to meeting the standards of the state constitution.
Well, and now my big takeaway is, unfortunately, that the Republicans are not above making things up.
in order to get their own way.
That's not how things are supposed to work.
This is not good.
This is not good.
And it's a good reminder also that Wisconsin's redistricting issues go back a long way.
This goes back a long way.
Not anything to do with what they did in Texas.
or you mentioned California and these other efforts.
And the one thing that I think is an important distinction between what happened in Texas and California, in Texas, Governor Abbott essentially instituted new maps and said, this is what we're doing.
In California, Gavin Newsom brought it to the voters and said, here's what we want to do.
Do you want to do this or not?
Yeah.
So the voters' shock actually had a choice about it, and actually had a voice about it, which is how it's supposed to work.
Measures are being done to exercise the most, you know independent bipartisan like making making it just fair.
Yeah
The problem is, is that no matter what happens, is that certain individuals, I see a Derek Van Oren, no matter how fair you're trying to make it, he is going to, and a lot of other ones are gonna be like, this is not fair.
You're trying to, you're trying to upend, you know what I mean?
Like in a pursuit of fairness and a pursuit of being an actual map that represents the voice of the people, you're gonna have people kicking up dust and making a bigger noise out of saying how unfair it is, even though it isn't.
This whole congressional mapping, as you said, is trying to favor.
It's trying to, it's not trying to favor incumbents who already enjoy it anywhere between 85 to like 93% reelection rate, but.
In an attempt to be a fairer option or a fairer design We're gonna have to also deal with people saying incorrect things all the time and unfortunately that goes all the way up to the Wisconsin Supreme
Court They always Republicans always seem to do this when the kind of right-wing legal apparatus and all of that They just play this like legal Calvin ball where they just make up their own rules and do whatever they want and think that everybody's gonna go abide by that well, it's just you can't
do that and then have these sloppy mistakes like this.
It's working with the Supreme Court who just decided again, this snaky shadow docket stuff.
Or they don't even have to justify their decisions.
So these, this maps.
the Supreme Court said that now Texas can go ahead and institute these maps, even though it is still working its way through the court system.
And they could have put a stop to this, but again, without any of them having to come right out and explain why they're gonna do this, they just gave him carte blanche to do it.
And I think going back to what you just said, Dan, about credibility, they've proven that if you make a mistake or say something wrong, that there will be almost no follow-up by anybody,
by the fact that some of the media is afraid to ask questions or for the fact that it gets buried in the press because a Wisconsin state Supreme Court justice misquoting a U S Supreme Court decision isn't a sexy headline and we move on.
So she doesn't, or they don't have to worry about credibility and they never do.
That's not
well There's one avenue that I think there has been at some accountability brought in this and that's in form of the voters Yeah, electing different people to the Wisconsin Supreme Court Yes, and I think if you're thinking big picture about just like okay, you know How do we like what in which way which ways should there be a check on Trump even if there are Trump voters?
I think the check that some people are seeing, and as it has played out in these Wisconsin Supreme Court races, is a legal one.
Is that he is just fudging the limits of what?
He can do legally, so maybe people might like the Trump agenda or whatever it might be, but want him to do it within the laws of the Constitution.
And so maybe this is just me theorizing here, but I think that is why some people in Wisconsin who might be Trump voters are also voting for Janet Prosewitz and Susan Crawford in some of these elections.
I think there are still Trump voters out there who say things of like, well, you have to do this thing within the law, of course.
Now, we see every day in the headlines, the, of course, is not even a factor.
But I think you're right.
There are people out there who voted for the president who still think there are guardrails which need to be applied and adhered to.
The problem is that with them being taken away, we have to rely on judges and various elected officials trying to enforce their own versions of the guardrails to protect the people of Wisconsin, which is why it's very important to vote in 2026.
Vote in every election.
I know it's not sexy.
I don't care.
I think voting is sexy.
Hey, are you a voter?
It's hot.
It is.
Voting is hot, baby.
Everybody who's anybody wants to vote.
Susan from Kenosha, listening on WA, texting in, if you look back, Annette Ziegler was elected by the right wing.
I believe she's part of the Heritage Foundation, the same party that elected Trump.
And Brett from Brown Deer, I've always wondered why the laws couldn't force the maps to follow county lines whenever possible.
these different things with with the maps And you know and the congressional maps people are taught have been talking about like oh the third district in Western, Wisconsin or the first district like there's if you really zoom out There's a bunch of problems with their states congressional maps and one of them and as me who?
Graduate of UW Oshkosh I pay a lot of attention to the Fox Valley when it comes to statewide politics The Fox Valley is cut right in half on the congressional map Oshkosh and Appleton are in different districts
Oshkosh is in Growthman's district and Appleton's in Tony Weed's district.
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Coming up after the 1030 News for today's audio survey, we're talking Cookie Walk.
Laurie Leshmann is a booster for the Waukesha South Band, and they're having a fundraiser tomorrow in Waukesha.
So we're going to talk about the Cookie Walk and how you can help support the
Waukesha South Band.
We have a couple of students who are in the band.
Layla and Marcella are going to be joining us as well.
Very much looking forward to that.
Then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this.
Shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the Baby Seal walks into a bar edition.
Actually, that's all you need to know.
That's it.
I'm interested.
That's the whole thing right there.
So stay tuned for that.
We are recombobulating with Dan Schaefer, Civic Media's political editor and creator of the recombobulation area.
There was an election in Texas this week.
Tennessee.
Tennessee, that one too.
In Tennessee, the Democrat did not win, but she lost by less than she could have.
It was a Trump plus 22 district and she brought the margin down to single digits and lost by nine.
And so I think, you know, there was a map that was put out and said, Hey, if we make this shift, you know, if we map this ship onto every congressional district, if there's, you know, I think it was like a 12 or 13 point shift in every district.
Democrats are going to pick up like 50 seats or something like that, right?
And in Wisconsin, it showed like which ones it would be.
The local takeaway that I have from this is that regardless of what happens with the maps, I think it's kind of unlikely that anything changes in Wisconsin's maps before the 2026 election.
So even under the current maps, I think Derek Van Norden's in real trouble.
Damn.
I do.
I think if, you know, he only won by what?
Less than 3%?
against Rebecca Cook last time or last time when there was like kind of a red wave, a pink wave, however you want to characterize it.
But I think Derek Van Ordens in trouble here.
And I think he's, you know, was the most vulnerable Republican Wisconsin, you know, I still don't really know who's going to be the candidate against Brian Stile in the first congressional district.
That's kind of next up.
Stile tends to overperform.
his district numbers to the top of the ticket anyway.
He's a Paul Ryan clone.
But he's been successful.
He's been more successful than the rest of the Republicans and members of Congress.
Frankly, I think Democrats should be happy that he's not running for governor because I think he is a good fundraiser and would be a good candidate statewide.
That's a really good point.
But I think my main takeaway from the Tennessee special election and all of these other special elections that have happened is that the candidates who are in these kind of
Races with you know, maybe the margin was less than five right in 2024 all of those candidates are going to be in trouble because I think the political wins are shifting very much in favor of Democrats and now Democrats could screw this up Oh, yes These results spell real trouble for van Orden
a solid candidate like he was he worked with You know he had worked with Ron kind for a long time and had a lot of connections to the district He's now a state senator like he won there.
He's done.
Well, they gave him no support and he's he
probably overperformed expectations then.
They, you know, they supported Rebecca Cook somewhat last time, but I think this is going to be one of the most important congressional races in the country.
I think they're, they need to treat it as such.
And whether it's Rebecca Cook or Emily, I'm blanking on
I think that the election this year with Elon Musk spending so much money on a judges race shows that, yes, money does make a difference.
But if you have a candidate who brings energy, then they can talk to the people and do the work that maybe the money is not there can do.
I mean, it just, yes, I'm not going to say that money doesn't matter.
It does.
But I think in this moment right now where people are frustrated, and as you said, Dan,
Some of these candidates are in trouble, especially people like Derek Van Orden who are nothing but a mouth, nothing but screaming and yelling.
There's not a lot of policy.
There's not a lot to present to his district.
He's got a shiny machine behind him with his commercials and his TV spots.
But if you have someone who's going to fire up not just the base, but the people who are frustrated, I think that can that can give the money.
a possible, you know, it's not, it's not David versus Goliath.
Thank you so much, my friend.
Thank you.
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Coming up in about 15 minutes or so, we're gonna wrap up the show as we always do with a segment called This Shouldn't Be a Thing.
We have an update from yesterday's Tisbeth.
But the swallowing of the Faberge egg.
And also, today's tizbet is Baby Seal walks into a bar edition.
So stay tuned for that.
Right now, though, this is the segment that we call Audio Sorbet, where we talk about lighter things and get away from the news.
And we're very, very excited to be joined by two students from Waukesha South High School.
Layla and Marcella are here.
Good morning, ladies.
So are you?
Yeah, good morning.
Thank you so much for joining us.
We wanted to talk about the cookie walk This is happening tomorrow Starting at 9 a.m.
In the Walker Shaw South cafeteria the annual cookie walk holiday bake sale and this is benefiting the Walker Shaw South Band, so you are both in band.
I assume girls
Yes.
All right.
Okay.
So I'm in only jazz band and I play the piano and I just recently joined this year.
And so, so far it's been pretty fun for me.
Yeah.
Yes, yes, that's right.
Um, I'm just going to try one
And what we'll just, we'll just pass this.
Perfect.
What instrument do you
So I'm in the mark in the marching band.
I play the clarinet and in the jazz band, I play the saxophone.
Well, for
me, I think band, I'm a very like structured, like logical person.
Like I'm like a math person, but music for me really helps me to like break out of that and like be more creative.
And like that's, that's why I like love music.
I love learning new instruments.
Better student because it gives you something that you can you know, you can go to class and you can have
like a community and you can play music and it's just it's it's a nice thing for me I know because I'm I mean you're talking about like you're kind of more of like a math whatever person it gives you like an escape but it's almost like for me it's like it just it's really where I feel like I most thrive is when I'm doing things when I'm playing music when I'm a part of that it's just it's a really nice thing and I mean you can share that with others and that's like what the cookie walk is for so it's like
It's
What is involved?
How do people get involved?
What do you know?
I've we we spoke to Lori last year and she made it very clear that you should get in line early because it's very popular What do people need to know to participate in this year's cookie walk?
Yeah, so the cookie walk runs from 9 a.m.
To 1 p.m.
Tomorrow But last year we sold out by like noon at the
really want to get there early
We all of our like black shirt families and the community donate all the cookies.
We love having everyone donate.
It's really nice of them
so.
But you should really get there early to have the best like selection of cookies available.
I'll just say there's some lemon cookies every year.
Those are my favorite every year.
Yeah, it's about $12 a pound for them.
So, I mean, around that is sort of is.
Yeah, we take both cash and credit card.
And so when you go to the cookie lock, you'll be provided a container.
You fill it up with as many cookies as you want.
They weigh it, and then it's $12 a pound.
No, they supply the containers.
You cannot bring your own garbage can to fill up with cookies.
It's not how it works.
That's wonderful, though, that it's been so successful that usually by noon you guys are out in cookies.
That speaks very highly to the community and the support that you have in the Waukesha area.
That's fabulous.
Yeah, we're so grateful for everyone who shows out every year.
Yeah, so actually on Sunday, we'll be marching in the Walkershow Christmas parade And then in the spring we typically do Memorial Day parade
Those, those are very fun.
Our biggest fundraiser of the year actually isn't the cookie walk.
March Fest,
marching band competition where we host typically around 20 marching bands from both Wisconsin and Illinois.
So that's a pretty big thing that happens in September.
And that is so much more complicated, I think, than people appreciate, right?
When you're talking about that many bodies and getting them to march in various formations, I was color guard when I was in high school.
And the pacing, if you have a line of 20 people and you're going to do a circle, it's a very
Precise thing that that arm all moves at the same time, right?
You guys must practice a lot
Yeah, so yeah over the summer we have like band camp that goes a lot and then we have rehearsals throughout the week all through the fall
We are talking to two students at Waukesha, South High School Leila and Marcella is here if you're joining us on matinee on air.
We're talking about the
Cookie Walk that is happening tomorrow.
It's at the Waukesha South Cafeteria.
They tell you to park in the Tenney Avenue lot and then enter through the Fieldhouse stores.
You're gonna have lots of company.
It starts tomorrow morning at 9 a.m.
But even on the press release I have here, it's a shop early.
The cookies sell out fast.
So from Franklin texting in listening on WAUK says not to have met and mentioned how impressive is they march while they play.
My daughter was in the marching band.
She played the flute.
I was always amazed to see 100 plus students.
working and marching and playing together.
Have you ever hit your tooth or tripped or something when you have your mouth on the mouthpiece?
I have won too many times, whacked myself in the
I couldn't imagine trying to walk around people while trying to play an instrument that is not just, you know, plunking on a guitar.
It's impressive.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I just want to let the two of you know and let everyone know on the listening that the...
Link to the Facebook event page for the Cookie Walk will be in our show notes for today.
You can go to civicmedia.us Slash those look for Matt and Aaron air in the second hour click through or just search it on on Facebook as well But we want people to go out and not only support this but if you can support other activities They're doing because as we said before the arts are important as you both Layla and Marcel have said it gives you It allows you to grow as human beings as well as students and it's important that we fund those
however we can.
Well, and it's just, as you said too, I think there is a different creativity that your brain unlocks during, under different things.
And you mentioned that you're very much a math student.
That is very musical, but at the same time, playing music is unlocking an entirely different part of your brain, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
And if you come to the Cookie Walk tomorrow, you'll have the chance to see... Are you gonna perform?
So the jazz band will be performing if you want to talk about that.
Yeah, the jazz band is performing.
We have jazz one and jazz two and jazz one is included within the class during the day.
And that's just those students there.
And then jazz two is the other students that still want to be a part of jazz band but can't make it during that time for the class.
And so it gives them an opportunity to still be a part of it even if it doesn't work with their schedules or whatever.
And so we'll be having
Yes, we'll be having those two groups and we'll be combining and doing our own things and we'll be playing and it'll be fun.
One of the songs we'll be playing is called Chili Pepper Christmas and that one we have a little tradition where
If you bring your kids to the cookie walk, they can play along with us in that song
percussion instruments
bells.
Yeah,
children you could always join in
Absolutely, so I'm a senior.
Next year, I'm planning to go to UW-Madison, where I do plan to audition for the marching band
Yeah, I'm a junior and I mean I'm not actually in marching band, so I don't know if I'll take any specifically like band Sort of stuff in my future, but I know I'm obviously gonna keep like any type of music in My life whatever it is whatever it is that I'm doing I'll make sure like I'm gonna make sure to prioritize that joining any sort of activity that I can that I have time for like
Thank you so much for
Welcome back to Matt Nair on Air.
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Next week, Jane.
Next week, my last five shows.
Oh boy, this is your penultimate week.
It is.
Penultimate.
Penultimate.
We'll have to work that out a couple of times.
Oh, it's going to happen on Thursday.
All right.
Aaron Kelly is going to be joining us.
We talked to Aaron a couple of weeks ago.
After, of course, they passed that measure to reopen the government.
They slipped in this little thing, essentially outlawing all hemp products.
Yeah.
That clean CR of theirs.
Yeah.
not so clean.
Yes, Aaron Kelly owns Kelly's Greens in Wauwatosa, which sells CBD products and hemp products.
And they were all the little businesses and they're all over Wisconsin, taken aback by this and not pleasantly surprised by this.
So we're going to talk to Aaron Kelly, find out what is happening now since this occurred a couple of weeks ago.
I believe there are pretty much some grassroots efforts underway.
Again, we have all kinds of these businesses all over Wisconsin that employ a whole bunch of people.
Aaron, Aaron Kelly joining us on Monday in hour number two for an update for audio survey.
All next week we're gonna have special guest, so Pete Schwabba.
Night Lights host, Pete Schwabba is gonna join us on Monday for a little audio survey.
There you go.
Right now, Calvin, it is time for... This shouldn't be...
If you ever find a thing you think this should not be send it into Greg and me at Jane says at civicmedia.us J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S Jane says at civicmedia.us by the way if you want to get in touch with me before I head off the door next Friday that use that same email address and I will get back to you.
This we want to do a little update from yesterday's TISBAT.
TISBAT
Yes, less stabby, more smooth.
More smooth.
It's still a pretty big egg.
Yeah.
So yeah, this guy in New Zealand decided his brilliant crime would be to swallow this Faberge egg.
Yeah.
He didn't get out the store until they nabbed him.
Of course they had to wait.
This too shall pass.
It did.
Yeah.
It did.
And now he will be back in court on December 8th.
According to charges seen by the BBC,
He was also charged with stealing an iPad from the same jewelry store, didn't swallow that.
I was gonna
Where's the store?
What a store is this?
No, this was from a different address.
He was busy.
I was like... He had a busy week.
He had a busy week.
That was yesterday's update.
Today, from the Associated Press, I just, I love the headline.
A seal glumps into a bar.
Go lumps.
This is the Associated Press.
A seal glumps into a bar.
The bartender says, grab the salmon.
In Wellington, New Zealand, a seal walked into a bar.
The creature apparently lost.
Aw.
Curious and well below the drinking age.
lodged itself under the bar's dishwasher and showed no interest in coming out.
I get it.
It was Sunday evening when the baby first seal waddled into this craft beer bar in New Zealand.
It is a pet friendly bar.
The co-owner assumed the visitor was a dog until she took a closer look.
Everyone was in shock.
She says, oh my gosh, what are we gonna do?
What's going on?
A patron grabbed a sweater, tried to usher the baby seal out the back door.
Baby seal took off, dashed into the restroom, and then hid under the dishwasher.
They unplugged it.
Somebody ran home, got a dog crate.
They finally got a pizza.
covered with salmon.
They got a pizza out of the fridge, covered it with salmon.
and then lured him out from under the dishwasher.
Come
Once they lured the seal out with the salmon pizza, they had to wait briefly for conservation rangers to arrive.
This was their fourth call of the day.
They'd been driving around this subdivision trying to find the baby seal.
Oh, I'm glad that it's everything is fine seal has been released on a nearby island Considered a safe location because it is a dog free island They say it's not unusual for curious baby seals to show up in unexpected unexpected places
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