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After 9 30 when Pad Crite load joins us to talk about Mandela Barnes again officially entering the race for Wisconsin governor He's gonna have lots of competition.

It's a very full field of Democrats lots of lots of other Democrats.

Yep saving those thoughts for later

also dual citizenship don't have it Yeah, well, you might not be able to have it.

Oh man.

I really wanted to be a citizen of the Congo.

Well, there is a new push

among a couple lawmakers to get rid of dual citizenship in the United States.

This again just kind of came out of nowhere.

I don't know anyone who's been calling for this.

I hear lots of people wanting to see things done about the economy and the high price of things and lots of other things we could address.

But I haven't seen a big push of people coming together saying we need to end dual citizenship.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't say, I mean, like, yeah, we'll talk about this, but it's honestly, I am, yeah, people are suffering and this is not the thing to be talking about.

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We did talk about them last week.

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They're happening at such a rate now.

that they're barely covered in the news.

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And honestly, this is one where I'm looking at the major news outlets saying, these people are horrendous individuals and they're being released.

With the golden calf of them all still waiting and she will get that pardon at this point, there's no way she's not.

It will happen at the quietest moment when no one's looking probably over them.

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a lot more ubiquitous.

We're just finding it in a lot more things.

And now this is from the Wisconsin Public Radio website.

Evan Casey has the byline.

These two Wisconsin counties now are using AI to handle non-emergency calls.

New artificial intelligence system in La Crosse County has handled so far over 40,000 calls.

Back in May, La Crosse County started using AI to help people who call the non-emergency number

and Waukesha County is also attesting a similar system and they plan to have it fully in place by the end of the year.

The La Crosse County Public Safety Communications Supervisor says the new system there has handled over 40,000 calls so far.

They say this is not replacing any staffers.

It's a force multiplier, a tool to make the job more efficient.

When you think about it, a lot of people will call 911 for reasons other than what would normally be classified an emergency.

There's a dog on the loose.

There's someone's parking in front of my house.

You know, people will call 911 for a lot of things.

And so these are the kinds of calls that AI will handle and be able to then send you to the correct place.

Sometimes people are calling about

garbage hours.

Yeah, and you know, snow plow stuff and things like that, which can clog up the emergency system.

So in that, in that case, I can see where this would be helpful.

But at the same time, AI still makes me personally very twitchy.

I know it does.

It does.

And that is the, you know, that is the broader conversation because AI now applies to so much.

And I think about what Zeke Fox talked to us about when it came to crypto when he said, you're probably investing in crypto and you don't even know it.

And with AI, you're probably, you are using AI and you don't even know it.

I don't wanna say I'm staunchly against it, but I try not to use it for anything other than what is either kind of forced upon me, like Google.

A Google search or

something.

But even the Google AI search that comes up.

I will look at their sources.

I won't just look at what they say as law because it can be wrong or it can be old or whatever.

And I think that's the broader conversation about AI is, okay, what are the positive applications?

What are the negative applications?

What's still too new to really get into?

What are things that AI just can't do and will never be?

Like this whole thing of, oh, AI will be writing Hollywood movies one day, probably not just because...

I don't believe that, I just don't.

Even with all the modeling that they're doing?

Yeah, I still think there's, there's still going to need to be people involved.

It's not going to just be like, there'll be a script and then it'll have to be rewritten.

And that's another conversation.

But

the point is, is when it comes to this, something that for me is because we've been dealing with a version of AI for a long time when it comes to essentially a customer service aspect.

And that's what this non-emergency line thing is.

It's a customer service.

You know, you're not calling 911, you're saying, Hey,

Leaf pickup those kinds of things there is even though it can be helpful and I hope it is There is an aspect to that whole thing that feels like when you call a number and you get a and you get a pre-recorded voice It makes you say never mind because I know I was like, oh great I'm gonna have to dial one or I'm gonna have to dial zero or it's gonna put me into

like

But see, I would, I prefer that over them trying to pretend this AI is a person.

And I found that it was some service.

Yeah.

Either it was a furnace guy we were looking for or a plumber or something.

And when I called that number, it was AI.

Yeah.

Did it tell you it was AI?

It did not.

See, I think that

bothered me.

It should tell you up front.

that, you know, you are talking to, you're talking to me, I'm an AI generated voice, but I'm here to help and tell me what you need.

And it, you know, it depends on how integrated it is with the system and how helpful it is for the people.

But I know that whether it's AI automated, all those things can bring in a lot of frustration.

And if it's a well developed program, and we're talking about non-emergency,

and it gets you to the place you need to go, then good.

I don't have a problem with that.

I don't want to say no to AI for things like this that can be helpful.

I just don't want it masquerading as human.

But that's what it's doing.

But again, I would respect it more if it said, my name is Frank.

I'm a yeah, and I think you know that okay that I could I could deal with that instead of this Trying to pretend that you're human.

I know I'm pretty sure you're not

no I think it should be up front because I think what will happen is you'll get people yelling at it or saying or trying to have a conversation say yelling but having a conversation and not realizing that they're trying

they're talking to a artificial intelligence

because we've all bet we've all seen that where you

call up a number.

It says, say the thing you need.

All right, I need customer service or I need billing and use a pause.

I'm sorry.

I didn't hit in.

It just depends on how good the AI is.

And it should be recognized up front.

When you call, you've called the city of so and so this, the non-emergency line.

This is an AI voice.

Tony on the live stream says transparency is essential for AI I would agree with you Tony and I that that would be my biggest sticking point, right?

Yeah, I think that and again like yesterday's conversation with Micah I don't want to be disrespectful to them, but for our older folks There's a certain a level of sophistication sophistication that you have to have I think in that that helps with with their experience

or it becomes a frustration, they hang up and they never, or they call their kids saying, I tried calling in this guy, I just wouldn't stop talking, you know?

Sorry, I feel like I'm insulting older folks and I'm not.

I'm sorry.

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We're going to start with Mandela Barnes.

Former Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin, now officially entering gubernatorial race here in Wisconsin.

He's going to have lots of company.

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I don't know if you live in the Milwaukee area, Milwaukee, Wauwatosa specifically.

And I would think you live in Kenosha.

I do.

I would think this is a problem there, too.

They didn't get around to picking up all the leaves before the snow fell last week.

Yeah.

So we have ginormous leaf piles in our neighborhoods.

I mean, huge leaf piles.

The question I have is that the leaf pile collection, though, in Milwaukee County ended on the 30th, though, right?

Right.

So if.

You were putting leaves out there After your pickup you weren't gonna get him picked up anyways, even if there was no stone like next like like say you were on a Tuesday pickup

You're out of luck.

You're out of luck regardless of snow.

So I'm wondering how much of that how many of those because in Kenosha what they do you have to buy the thing called a bio bag and you have to bag

up your leaves and put them So you don't you don't put them in there put them in the street I

wish I wish you did because I feel like they're making you buy something they're introducing a whole nother step to the process and Frankly, and I'm not I know this is it's aesthetic leaves don't need to be raked up.

They don't

I was bad for your lawn.

It's good for your lawn actually actually the

little craters can get at him and whatnot.

It's, it's not, it's not terrible for your lawn.

That's, I mean,

I

got read the riot act last year when someone's like, why are you doing that?

I'm like, I don't know.

Maybe I should never do that again.

And so I don't, I don't like raking leaves.

I hate it.

I, it's a, I'll mow the lawn.

I'll shovel the driveway.

I feel like raking the leaves should be coming to my house, the county.

do it for me.

I pay taxes.

Those taxes are going up too.

While we tell the city officials if you live in that area, say their last pass to pick up leaves is going to start either today or tomorrow once they switch things back because the garbage trucks double as snow plows.

So they have to switch the tractors back over to leafs.

Leave.

those things.

Our drivers will do their best to keep leaves off the grass, but with this much snow and plowing to the curb, some leaves will inevitably get pushed back onto the grass.

And then we have much colder weather coming in.

Wednesday night into Thursday.

Just to give you a little heads up so you can prep for this.

We have Arctic air coming in Thursday with highs struggling to reach 13.

Struggling?

Like they're like struggling.

Oh, if I could only be 13.

And folks, I don't have to tell you this, but I'm going to anyways, because I feel better doing this.

Just be aware, you know, make sure your pets are indoors.

Don't let them, if you want them go out, let them go out for a short amount of time.

Get them back inside because, you know, the 13 is.

to cold 13 is yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be wicked cold so just just be prepared hey

folks give

me wicked cold out there keep

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Good morning, Pat.

Welcome to show.

How are you doing?

Is there a lot more snow up there than there was this weekend?

I don't know how I got to be a grand prize.

Do you like to put a ball in a bushel basket and you get to take me home with you?

Anyway, up here on Lake Wissoda, I can report that for the very first time this season, there is a sheen of ice on the lake.

It was bright, blue, wide open yesterday.

Really?

And after last night's little plunge and some light snow, there's now a sheen of ice and some light snow on our part of Lake Wissoda.

It's

going to get here we go.

Yeah.

And here we go is right because at least here in southeastern Wisconsin, we're looking at a high Thursday of about 13.

So I can only imagine it's going to be chilly up by you.

Yep.

We'll get, we'll see 10 below Thursday morning, most likely.

Oh my gosh.

This is not supposed to happen until January.

Well, this is why I worked so hard to be a dual citizen of the United States and the Cayman Islands for a time and totally see the value in that where others might

not.

Yes, we're going to get to that in just a little bit, the whole dual citizenship thing.

But let's start off, and I know you spent a little time talking about this on your show this morning, former Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin and former candidate for Senate.

Mandela Barnes has now officially entered the race for Wisconsin governor.

He joins a pretty crowded race already.

And Greg has thoughts.

He's been

waiting.

I understood that there were some thoughts that

might be shared here.

Greg, would you like to share your thoughts?

Now, I know I'm not everywhere, all the things, all at once.

And I'm sure the notion of running was rattling around in his mind before this, but I feel

that this whole thing is the result of a way too early, way not accurate poll on where Wisconsinites were with the candidates of the 2026 governor's race.

So they asked, there was a poll that came out that was done by a Democrat, or I should say a liberal firm and a Democratic or a Republican firm.

They came together and they did a thing.

And the numbers were just so, in my opinion, weak.

Mandela Barnes was 16% on the Democratic side.

And which was far and above any other Democrats in that

poll.

seven points to the next one, but more than anything, it was undecided, don't care, or too early right now.

There was far more like this is too early of a poll, but no one was really talking that much about Mandela because at that point it was Francesca Hong, David Crowley, Sarah Rodriguez, and Keldor Royes.

And so we were just started there and I feel like that poll started getting him thinking and

Dan Schaefer wrote an article about his 2022 race.

I don't feel like there's a lot of push for him to do this.

This just feels very unnecessary.

And I think it's going to throw a wrench into the process for the others who are running in earnest.

I just don't feel like this is the race of the time for him to do this.

I don't know what he offers the campaign.

I don't know what he's going to say.

It's going to be different than the other ones.

Personally, I feel that this is ego.

This is very much ego, and I'm not happy about it.

That's fair.

I mean, there are all kinds of folks who looked at that 2022 campaign of his and said, you know, it wasn't enough.

And to which I would add only this.

And again, I do not have a position in this.

But I would only add that A.

He came as close.

Uh, it was the closest U. S. Senate race in state history and B not a single Senate Republican incumbent was defeated that year.

It was a terrible cycle.

It was

the

midterms for Joe Biden and, um, you know, it was, it, it would have been in hindsight now.

It would have been huge had he been able to close it out, but he couldn't.

in a rough cycle.

And honestly, as I said during the show, this is such a parallel.

He and Rebecca Cook are seen so similarly here in the third congressional district where you have people saying, well, she wasn't quite enough and she'll fall short again.

And other people saying, what are you talking about?

They almost did it.

They're clearly popular.

Let's get them over the hump.

And this is a real

debate.

And this is a real quandary where there's not, you know, a right answer.

There's not a cut and dried answer.

So this is not going to be an easy nine months for Democrats until that August 11 primary.

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If you would like to join the conversation, Cassandra on the live stream says, I personally feel Mandela ran a lackluster Senate campaign, and it doesn't bode well for a race for governor.

And that for me is the big point.

If he would have ran an election or a campaign that was just a steam train moving forward with energy and a great platform and all these things that made you go, oh my gosh, this is the guy and lost, that's something that can happen.

Absolutely.

Let me push back this way, just as somebody who has run and who's had to raise all the money.

And he was had to, you know, put put in the hours to do this.

So I'm not I'm not I'm not saying this to pick a fight, but I figure let's let's get contrary about this.

How and how much more money would he have had to raise to do this?

Do we really think that he sat in his pajamas and watch the prices right?

It's a function of money.

And the more time you spend in the room having to raise money, that's less time that you have out in the field.

Whereas Ron Johnson can turn to those three billionaires who he helped with millions upon millions of

dollars in tax breaks and say, Hey, why don't you kick some of that back in here?

They did.

So he's the one that looked like he had more of the presence, even though he wasn't doing Jack squat compared to the way that Mandela Barnes was going around.

Again, I'm not saying that that the point doesn't have relevance.

But when we say look like you're everywhere, have all that energy, it takes resources.

It's not just your personal schedule and your amount of personal energy.

Well, and I think you make an excellent point though, Pat, I think the most of the general

public and that includes myself because I've never run for office.

We don't appreciate how much time you have to spend running after cash.

That's got to be half the job.

Oh, it's more than half

the job at

times.

It's my biggest regret running for Congress in 2012 was having to spend way too much time in a room with a telephone and not nearly enough time talking to voters about why Sean Duffy would be a bad choice.

And as a result, look where we've put America now.

That's all.

Call on me, it's my fault.

Okay, then we're just going to end it there.

Let's blame Pat Crichtlow.

We'll just blame everything on Pat.

Well, you may as well, because I mean, that is why the congressional district lines are the way that they are.

They drew them because they knew I was going to run against Duffy.

And so they re drew the seventh and the third to make the seventh more Republican and the third, you know, more democratic.

And that's why the third is as swingy as it is right now was specifically to help Sean Duffy when they re drew the map in 2011.

So you may as well.

blame me for all the rest of it to you.

I'll

take it.

Bring

it

on.

We're just going to pile on anyway.

So we may as well blame everything on Pat quite low.

If you are just joining us, we're talking about the news that Mandela Barnes has officially entered the race for governor.

We love your feelings on this, your take on this 855-752-4842.

For myself, I just don't think he's got it.

I don't think.

He has the gravitas and granted, yes, he was Lieutenant Governor, but beyond that, other than his experience as a community organizer, not to downplay that, but I think when you put him up against a Keldoroy's or Sarah Rodriguez or Francesca Hong or Missy Hughes, I just don't think he comes with the amount of experience that these other candidates do.

And don't forget David Crawley serving as a

county

executive, right?

You know, so they every one of them has their points, which which are going to work, you know, for or against them.

You've got Missy Hughes, who, you know, was running the Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation, but has absolutely no political base whatsoever.

So, you know, she's trying to make a name for herself as the not a politician lane.

You've got somebody like Francesca Hong, who's going to run as the unapologetic

liberal and a lot of people are going to gravitate toward that because they want, you know, the word fighter comes up all the time.

We don't want this.

How did Mandela put it in his commercial here?

It isn't about left or right.

It's not about who can yell the loudest and people don't say that, that it isn't about left or right.

We are right now in a fight, if you will, and in some ways they frame it as good versus evil and this is no time to be in the mushy middle.

But other people, that's exactly what they want because most people

people feel like they're in the middle.

This is, this is not an easy path for anybody, especially if you don't have a lane and you're trying to figure out what is my lane in a field with, with, you

know, half a dozen people in it.

Yeah.

What's going to set me apart?

What's going to make me different?

Right.

I think you

had audio.

We do have a clip from this commercial from and Mandela Barnes that debuted last night.

Calvin, can we play a little sound from that clip, please?

Families doing everything right are still falling behind.

So here's the reality check.

The only way for our state to move forward is to reject the Washington way and get things done the Wisconsin way.

It isn't about left or right.

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That's part of Mandela Barnes' announcements, throwing his hat into the race for Wisconsin governor.

Again, those are all wonderful sentiments.

I mean, I've seen kind of the same things coming from Tom Tiffany, these big general statements about, you know, we're going to make everything better and blah, blah, blah.

You know,

you and I are both hearing the same thing from the voters.

What are you going to do?

What are your plans?

What are the specifics?

How are you going to make

it more affordable?

And at this early stage,

I don't blame candidates who don't want to necessarily box themselves in.

And I always use the minimum wage one because it's an easy one.

People get the number and everything.

But there will be people who say, why wouldn't we have a $20 minimum wage?

We've got to have a $20 minimum wage, a livable wage, which right away makes you a target not only for the Republicans, but for any Democrats who go,

Well, no, we can't afford that.

We should definitely raise the minimum wage.

You know, maybe half it, whatever the case may be.

But now they're not the ones who are boxed in.

But some people want the ones who give you a specific saying, what are you going to do for me?

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And this, I, of all the things that people haven't been clamoring for, I want to say this is among the top of the things people are not clamoring for.

Getting rid of dual citizenship is now a thing.

Just just as I think interest

in it is spiking.

Yeah.

Yes.

Right.

A Republican senator's proposal to overhaul US citizenship could actually force Donald Trump's wife and son into kind of a sticky situation because they are dual citizens.

Melania Trump is Slovakian and she and her son, Baron, both have dual citizenship with Slovakia, her home country.

But which is interesting.

Senator Bernie Moreno, Republican from Ohio says he will introduce legislation to end dual citizenship by requiring American citizens to declare exclusive allegiance to the US and renounce foreign citizenship.

Quote probably sounded

better in the original German, but continue

the Colombian born at Moreno.

said quote one of the greatest honors of my life was when I became an American citizen at 18 the first opportunity I could do so it was an honor to pledge an oath of allegiance to the US and only to the US being an American is an honor in a privilege if you want to be an American it's all or nothing it's time to end dual citizenship for good what

a joke

I'm sorry.

What a joke.

Let me let me make that clear again.

What a joke I have only one basic platform if I had my magic wand about the people that I would deport white nationalists Nazis, you know people people like that who You know are speaking in code like you you favor America America only I don't have time for that kind of xenophobia.

I don't time for that kind of jingoism America got to be where it is

because of the melting pot that it is because we are welcoming because we are oh here's that word diverse and that includes people who can have a citizenship in a second place that might be a homeland an original homeland or it might be an adopted homeland.

because there are certainly people that I know of who have already expressed interest in having dual citizenship someplace else because they have seen other parts of the world and understand that you can beat your chest as much as you want.

We are not perfect here and there are things we should be learning from other countries.

Tolerance isn't the least of them and frankly this kind of proposal just screams to me of somebody who

maybe would benefit from being deported and maybe appreciate life and citizenship in other places, not just the one where you happen to have political power right now, end of rant.

This proposal by Moreno, this Republican from Ohio called the Exclusive Citizenship Act of 2025 would set up a system

tracking dual citizens, they'd have a year to renounce foreign citizenship or give up their US citizenship.

Anyone who didn't comply within that year would automatically lose US citizenship.

And anyone who gave up their US citizenship would be considered foreigners and treated as non-citizens.

I feel like that this is something that has never been brought up before this year, because there was something earlier this year as well.

Also, there was a bill that came through, Thomas Massie introduced it, that if you're running for federal office, you had to declare what country your dual citizenship was from.

And I feel like that's a law that already takes care of something that's out there.

And finally, put this before the president.

Have a reporter ask this question, see what his response will be, because I'm sure there will be

there could be the law, but then, hey, are you someone of value to him?

Just pay this $5 million fee and you'll be fine.

There'll be special

exceptions, right?

Special exceptions, yeah.

For the vice president as well.

It's not just the

president's

family.

That's right,

yeah, absolutely.

And I also wonder if this isn't an effort at some point for them to find a reason to stop expats from getting their social security down the road.

For Americans who are currently living overseas,

I would not be surprised if down the road they try and find a reason to cut off those people from their social security.

And yet they'll continue to protect overseas tax shelters for the very wealthy who can find ways to, you know, put their

affairs in offshore tax havens.

Yeah, that part's not going to change.

And I know that from my three years of living in the Cayman Islands of of all the different ways that people look to hide their money, knowing that people in high political places will watch out for them while they're trying to cut somebody else's social security because they've decided to winter in a warmer place.

Well,

and now we don't have to worry about the IRS going after high value tax cheats because

they fired

all those

people.

So life

is

good.

Pat

Kratlow, join him.

Weekday morning, six to nine on the network.

Thank you so very much, Pat.

We'll see you later.

Thank

you.

See you

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Very important day.

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I mean, like there are ways, there are ways of helping that might not be, that are not monetary.

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And that's just another way to, I mean, give year round too.

If

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Yep.

Absolutely.

All right, we

wanted to start off with this just because this is one of those things.

Oh, really quick.

Jenny said, Jenny on the live stream says Wisconsin's Humane Society is doubling donations today.

So if you give to them, they'll all right.

They'll double

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Want to

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Jenny.

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That's fabulous.

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So if you give five bucks, you got 10 bucks right there.

Baboom.

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Baboom.

I've been keeping a running tally.

We have a show prep sheet that we look at every day.

It is decades long.

It's several years long.

And I keep running tallies of stories to get to.

And this is one that's been, it's been getting much larger.

How long is that tally?

The Americans have storm Normandy.

It's

a very

long

list.

So we're going to do a little update on all the best pardons.

Because Donald Trump's been really busy in term number two with heartening people

and that was one of his biggest complaints during Joe Biden's era Barack Obama's era and he just complains regardless He doesn't like anyone or anything.

Just check him out on truth social.

He tweets a lot.

Yeah, he was treating last night like Yeah, but yes, so a couple of the most recent ones the former Honduras president Hernandez has now been freed after being

pardoned by Donald Trump.

He was sentenced last year to 45 years in prison for his role in helping drug traffickers move hundreds of tons of cocaine to the US.

He was tried and convicted in this country for these crimes.

And one little tidbit I found yesterday

The lead investigator in this case.

Who is it?

The lead investigator in this case was Emil Bove.

Oh, God.

You know that name.

Yep.

A member of Trump's legal team.

Who is now?

A federal judge.

Judge Bovin.

Appointed to the bench by Trump.

So this guy that Trump just appointed to the federal bench was the lead investigator into this case.

against Hernandez who was convicted and sentenced for trafficking hundreds of tons of coke to our country and Trump just gave him a pardon and now he's free.

hasn't the the screeching and the yelling lately been all about I mean we're blowing up boats in the water whether they're

Drug dealers are not and we just say they're drug dealers.

They're narco traffickers What I mean?

What is the different?

Why are we so concerned about fentanyl?

But not about cocaine apparently cocaine is what is that is?

Trafficking that in the country just like bringing illegal fruit into the country this man was given due process Given the justice system.

He was found guilty

And now he is freed and he is directly involved with the industry on which the GOP lands their flag all the time on how the drugs this and the drugs that and it's being trafficked and we can't the doesn't we can do it close the borders Well, you just you you just let out one of their guys.

Yeah.

Well, that goes back to the the the guy he pardoned who had the The internet drug dealing ring.

Yes.

Oh, it's still crowed.

Yes, the dark web.

Yeah, the dark web

Russ Albrecht.

Yeah, that's who his name.

So again, so on the one hand, they're all about stopping illegal drugs.

Bad, bad, bad.

But yet Trump is pardoning all of these people involved with illegal drugs.

Yeah.

It just doesn't add up.

Well, it doesn't add up.

And also, it's just that, you know, once again, you know, the, the, the mega, I know you're out there.

I've banned you from our live stream a few times this week already.

And it's Tuesday, but.

Where is your defense of this?

Like, it's not like he was put into a kangaroo court or he was not given his rights or he was not given due process or just thrown in jail for drug trafficking.

He went through the due process that's being denied people in this country who are just trying to stick around and work like normal citizens.

They're not getting that due process the same that this gentleman, but he is being let out of prison.

Maybe you learned his lesson, Jane.

I'm

sure he's a new man.

I'm sure he's found a new path.

Hernandez, by the way, the guy that Trump just pardoned, who was supposed to spend 45 years in prison, he allegedly said once, quote, let's stuff the drugs right up the noses of the gringos.

I mean, they've been saying that since the 70s, but I mean,

it's...

Of course, the Trump administration now their take on this is it was Biden lawfare.

What?

Yeah.

That Carolyn Levitt stood up there yesterday and said it out loud.

I know.

Then don't pardon him retry him.

That's the thing.

You don't pardon him.

You say you will grant him the right to another trial and you go through the process again.

You don't just say, oh, they got it wrong.

We'll let you out.

That's fine.

Go ahead.

Here's here's here's a here's a plane ticket and a brand fresh new suit.

You're good to go.

That's not how that like that is stupidity of the highest order.

Biden law fair, you know, that long arduous process of again, due process and a court of law and a jury and a decision and a sentence and 45 years for hundreds of millions of drugs, hundreds of worth of drugs.

This is like, if we lived in a country that had far less media ability, like there is something to be said about the media coverage.

There are so much happening and there are so many pardons happening.

It's difficult to keep up, but this is just blatant.

unabashed corruption that doesn't even try does it's Biden lawfare is a laughable excuse.

A couple of great texts just came in.

Rita listening in La Crosse on WLCX.

How much did he pay?

Trump for his pardon.

Reasonable question Rita.

Absolutely Rita.

Absolutely.

You know how this game is playing.

And Bob from Eau Claire listening on WCFW.

How else will Don Jr.

get his fix?

Yeah.

It has been rumored that one of Trump's kids might have a little white nose candy

issue.

He likes the booger sugar.

And

another little pardon.

Talking all the best pardons, by the way, if you're just joining us on mat and air on air.

Trump also commutes seven-year prison sentence of former private equity CEO David Gentile.

Just days after his sentence started, the CEO of GPB Capital Holdings was convicted of wire and securities fraud, and now he's out.

I think he served, what, seven days?

Well, I mean, that's longer than the one lady who was supposed to go to jail for the statue fraud, and she didn't even serve a day.

She got pardoned before.

She was reported to prison

at the time the charges related to a years long scheme to defraud more than 10,000 investors by essentially lying to them about these funds and how much they were going to make in this.

It really seems at least to me.

The job administration really doesn't care about financial crimes.

Well, if people got built, if people lost their life savings,

They don't really seem to care too much about that.

But they don't care about financial crimes.

They don't care about drug crimes.

They don't care about sexual assault crimes.

They don't, I mean, Ghislaine Maxwell is on, is heading to home plate here for a pardon.

That's what's going to happen.

This is all just bringing us to that point.

And it will show that they do, there is no crime that they care about enough to actually fight for.

We are seeing, we are seeing criminal after criminal being just let out and they will repay him

At some point, this is the Godfather.

At some point, he will call upon you and you will repay him in some way.

Might not be money, might be favors, access.

Looking the other way, changing a code, whatever.

And I'm making this point because this will not happen for you.

Oh, no.

If you rob a store of $25, they're gonna...

put the full weight of the law against you.

And you may have voted for Donald Trump three times.

And when you're in jail, you could say, I love Donald Trump.

They don't care.

Just a reminder of some of the earlier pardons that we may have forgotten about because there have been so many.

Roger Stone, convicted of obstruction and false statements.

He was pardoned in 2020.

Paul Manafort, back in the Trump orbit, convicted of fraud, tax evasion.

Pardoned in 2020.

Rudy Giuliani, of course, election interference.

He got pardoned.

Mark Meadows, convicted of election-related crimes.

Another pardon.

George Santos.

The one of the most prolific liars ever.

He got commuted.

Russ Albrecht, again.

Michael Flynn.

The Silk Road guy.

Major drug trafficking website.

He pardoned him.

So please don't tell me how much they hate drug traffickers.

They just don't like drug traffickers who don't pay them off.

Don't tell

me how much they love law and order.

Don't they that's the thing is all these all of these points that the Republicans for decades try to align themselves with America law and order family all these things They have slowly ripped themselves away from with their behavior their attitudes their part everything They're doing is take them.

You don't care about law and order.

You don't care about children You don't care about drugs.

You don't really care about patriotism.

I don't care about the environment

this oh god You never cared about the environment.

Let's just be totally honest here.

You don't really care about drugs You don't care about anything that doesn't

and give you money, access, power, or immunity from regular just everyday things that we as tax paying hard work and folks have to do, we do not enjoy any of those privileges.

And we never will unless one of you becomes a multimillionaire and or billionaire tomorrow.

Maybe you stand a chance, but eventually this club will become too small and will not accept new members and that fee is high.

And it's impressing the president, and you will never do it.

Probably not.

Maybe we all chipped in together.

Yeah.

This

is not what I thought giving Tuesday would be about, but OK.

We're going to talk more about that on the other side.

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We were talking about all the best pardons, so many coming out of the Trump administration for various people, including several

pretty high profile drug traffickers.

But one, this is a smaller person.

This isn't the president, the former president of a country unlike the other ones.

This is one of the guys who Trump freed right away after he got inaugurated all the January 6th attackers.

And he pardoned all of those people.

You mean those traders?

Well, there's patriots.

Here's the headline from the New York Times.

Felon freed by Trump is sentenced again this time to 27 months.

A Brooklyn judge found that Jonathan Braun violated the rules of his release after assaulting a nanny, swinging an IV pole at a nurse and dodging tolls in luxury cars.

The man whose sentence Trump commuted in the final hours in his first term, now sentenced to 27 months in prison after being accused of a range of criminal conducts, including physical and sexual assault.

Jonathan Brown already had a long history of violence in 2011.

He pled guilty to drug trafficking and money laundering.

His family used a connection to Jared Kushner.

Trump's son-in-law, to get the commutation in January of 2021, he is at least the eighth convict Trump has given clemency during his first term who has now been charged with a crime.

A bunch of these guys that Trump pardoned who were involved in January 6th are now back in jail.

Yeah.

Because they were all the best people.

And I wanted to, I know this is sort of off the beaten path of this conversation, but this is a time also

when you can call your representatives and tell them how you feel about these things.

Because what we are, what we've seen, I feel like in the last week, week and a half are cracks happening in the Congress, GOP leaders retiring, getting ready to retire, just angry at how the treatment of the administration towards them is.

If you tell them, if you call them and tell them how you feel, at the very least you've spoken your piece.

Things like this that upset you, my vote.wi.gov, find your representative there.

call them, be polite and tell them that this sort of behavior is not something they should be supporting if they in fact support the president because they answer to us.

They are the voice of the people.

But we aren't powerless.

I don't believe that, but we do have to, we do have to speak up in these times.

Well, I would love someone to call.

I'm not his constituent, Scott Fitzgerald.

He showed up on Fox yesterday.

He showed up on my social media.

on the side of the government blowing up boats, assuming they're drug dealers, call Scott Fitzgerald today and ask him how he feels about this, Hernandez getting pardoned.

Ask him about some of these pardons.

Ask him about Russ Albrecht.

I'd love to know if Scott Fitzgerald even knows who that is.

If you said Russ Albrecht didn't have no idea, but I think about the reporters who would ask these questions too and now it's,

You get to obfuscate with no, with impunity.

There is no follow-up.

There is no, no, no, you didn't answer my question.

This is a person.

What is your opinion?

Well, we don't really know what they, no, we know what they did.

There is a court record.

But yeah, it's, it's infuriating because again, these are privileges that will never be extended to regular folks, including regular Trump supporters.

And that's actually what angers me them a lot is that these folks who have

really, really pledged allegiance.

And therefore their reasons, I can't tell you why, I don't know.

But they will never be seen as enough because they aren't of certain means and of influence.

Well, and don't forget, Steve Bannon ripped off Trump supporters.

He ripped off Trump's own supporters and Trump pardoned him for it.

Cindy from Appleton is on the line.

Good morning, Cindy.

Thank you so much for joining us.

What you got?

Well, I have three points to make first of all the lawn order party that is just so far gone off the window It isn't even fun anymore.

The second one is I thought they were out rounding up all these supposed illegal aliens because they're such Terrible people their felons and their drug people and all this other stuff So how come that doesn't apply to the ones he's letting out of prison in number three I know he's doing this because he's gonna conglomerate conglomerate whatever with all these people he's let out

And they are going to do whatever they can do to rig our next election because the Republicans know they're done.

Yeah.

The signs, thank you, Cindy.

The signs leading up to the midterms aren't great right now.

That can change.

There's still a lot of time before we get there.

Yeah.

And it was interesting to see not a lot of kicking and screaming in this last election November when Democrats won so handily, mostly.

it will be interesting to see what the midterms look like.

If that same thing happens next November, how, how much fighting there will be.

I think there'll be more fighting once they realize they're about to lose the house, but there'll be some areas where they won't be able to contest at all.

Cause it's just going to be irrefutable, but that doesn't mean they won't.

I mean, Trump's final court case from 2020 just recently just got.

dismissed.

So they will kick and scream forever and drag it out as long and drag it and call it a farce and call it a hoax and call it stolen.

That's what they do.

And we just talks.

We just got to push ahead.

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