Poll Numbers Don’t Equal Election Victories (Hour 1)

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Charles Franklin from Marquette University Law School will be joining us to talk about their most recent poll.

Numbers are not good for the Trump administration.

It's kind of interesting.

So we'll talk polls, what that is an indicator of.

We still have a long way to go before the elections.

We do.

I mean, we've got, yeah, we've got a little less than a year for state and national elections.

And

One of the things I do want to ask Charles when he's on the show is just, you know, while the work they do is important, absolutely.

I mean, it is nationwide recognizes one of the top polls, but also, you know, what do we take into account besides the polls too?

It's, you know, we have to like, we look at the data, but then it's also about getting out there and doing the work, whether it's attending rallies, whether it's knocking on doors, whether it's running for office, that's all part of a process.

And just, you know, getting his idea on.

what people do with that information once they have it.

It's very cool because I kind of feel weird having him here because every time, Dan's always our guy when it comes to this poll.

And I mean, Charles here is like, oh no, is Dan

gonna be upset?

We're talking to the source.

Dan will be here in front.

In hour number two, we're gonna talk again about crypto.

We did this last week.

I

thought it was

really, really interesting.

Talk to a crypto expert.

Today, we're gonna talk to Mika Duia.

Dwaya Mika Dwaya is the head of civilian investigations and a founding member of Zero Shadow, which is a leading crypto incident response firm.

So this company basically deals with companies to prevent nefarious things from happening when you're dealing with crypto.

And I think also to put a highlight on there are crypto

groups out there that are just trying to exist in the world of like this is what we like This is what we believe.

We're not trying to take all your money.

We're not trying to scam you Also putting a light on those who are doing quote the good work in crypto and not doing what's

A lot of people are, which seems like a scam.

Yeah.

And we're going to talk about some of the crypto scams as well.

A lot of seniors have been targeted by these.

Oh, man.

So we're going to talk about crypto in hour number two at the top of the hour.

For the last half an hour for audio sorbet today, we're just going to do a weekend recap.

Yeah.

We were gone for a few days.

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And then of course the snow came in and we had Thanksgiving and all of those things.

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We went out twice.

Well, we went out four times.

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Oh, no, we can't, Jane, because this is your last two weeks on the radio.

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Okay.

Wanted to start off with this.

After we just came back from what is, I believe, the busiest travel weekend of the year, Thanksgiving weekend, do you have a real ID yet?

I do.

Do you, Jane?

I do.

All right.

And how you can tell is if you pull out your driver's license, there's a little star in the right hand corner that tells you you have a real ID.

If you travel domestically, you want to have this.

Earlier in the year, we talked about how you, we thought, I felt you needed to have one.

Like it was going to be an all or nothing thing.

There was a deadline and if you didn't have it, it seemed like too bad, so sad.

That they wouldn't let you fly.

But I think they realized that even though this has been a 20 year project.

Yeah, this has been in the works for a long.

And everyone was supposed to have it back in 2020, but then something happened in 2020.

I can't remember what it was.

Oh, it was the COVID.

The global pandemic.

Oh,

that's right.

That happened.

That was the

real thing that happened.

They were giving leeway.

And they leewayed it all the way to this year.

It was 2021, then 2022, then they said 2025.

I was under the impression that this was going to be, all right, if you don't have it, you are not flying domestically and you can't even go into federal buildings without it.

And then it seemed to be a, we're just, it's- Well, we need a little more room to get this done.

But they've introduced a whole new, what seems like a not smart plan on how to enforce this now, but it would behoove you to either have your real ID or a passport.

One of the two.

One of the two,

it'll make your travel.

a hundred times easier if you have

well here's what's coming the TSA announced that as of February 1st if you go through an airport security checkpoint and you don't have a real ID or a passport they're gonna charge you 45 bucks now here's how this is gonna happen if you're in line yeah that lovely TSA line you know it's it's a party and it's so short usually

By the time you get up to the front if you don't have a real ID that is a driver's license with this star in the right hand corner or a passport They're gonna send you out of the line to complete an online verification process Before you can get back in the line and try and get on your flight TSA says people with a lost or stolen real ID or a passport will also have to pay this 45 bucks

once verified that fee covers access for up to 10 days, but if you travel outside of those 10 days, you have to pay the fee again.

This sounds like nightmare to me.

Oh yeah, it's gonna be, well, we thought, we thought it was gonna be when it felt like a hard date, like a hard deadline.

By this date, you must have a real ID.

And we thought it was going to be, oh my God, there's gonna be,

a tumult in the airports.

It's going to be pandemonium there.

And then they started to shrug their shoulders and said, okay, don't worry about it right now.

This seems even worse because it absolutely seems like a, I'm sorry, but this seems like a terrible plan.

When I buy a plane ticket, I get a ton of fees on there and they're all laid out.

If you go to the airport and you don't have a real ID and you don't have a passport, there should just be a way at the ticket counter where they can press a button, give them a credit card, they charge you 45 bucks and then you move on.

But to make them get out of line and then fill out another form.

And if they don't have a special line for those people to say, all right, you get back into line right here, it is going to be great.

And luckily this is happening after the holidays.

But this is

This is, I wanna use a word that's FCC compliant, but I'm not thinking of any right now.

This is a terrible idea.

Yeah, it is.

People traveling without a real ID, here's what you do.

You go to tsa.gov and you follow instructions to verify your identity and then pay the fee once it kicks in.

Once you complete this form,

You get an email from TSA before going through the checkpoint.

They say the whole process should take about 15 minutes.

It could take 30 minutes or even longer, which means you could potentially miss your flight.

Yeah, the agency warns that even after you go through all of this, there is no guarantee that individuals will be cleared to cross through security.

Spokesperson said, we still need to go through the process to make sure that we can verify who you are.

And for whatever reason, if we can't do that, you can't go through the process.

I'm sure there's a reason, but no one's ever successfully explained to me how having a traditional ID, one without the star, is so much more detrimental to security than one with it.

And the fact that me presenting a traditional ID without the star

at my checkpoint makes my ID any less legitimate.

I don't.

And if I have one of those IDs, one of those driver's license, if I go over, you know, three steps this way and fill something out, how does that make it that much more official?

I mean, it really, there were people out there who says things like, well, I'm not getting a real ID cause I don't need one.

I don't travel and I don't go into federal buildings.

Well, they're make him a time when you're going to need it.

Yeah.

And also I just say this, I think everyone should have a passport.

Just in case it really just makes sense to have a passport.

It's expensive.

I know it's expensive.

I understand it's expensive, but it's also something you do every 10 years and you never know.

And also, I think that paying $45 on the spot isn't too much to protest the Real ID movement.

It's here.

It's happening.

You're going to get one anyway someday.

So, I just, none of this, none of this makes sense, including the

real idea itself.

It doesn't make sense to me.

Well, and the fact that they can continue to charge you this 45 bucks if you travel outside this 10 day period once

you

get this special thing.

Yeah.

You want to get a real idea and avoid this impending nightmare.

Yeah, it's going to be nothing

but inconvenience

for you.

I'm

going to

say

that in the first six months they're not going to go well.

When we return, we're going to talk about ozempic and weight loss drugs and the state role in helping us pay for them.

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States retreating from covering drugs for weight loss.

This is out of the Wisconsin examiner.

Shalina Shattelani has the byline.

Some states are thinking, rethinking coverage of these GLP-1 drugs for weight loss as budgets tighten and Medicaid programs brace for cuts, including in Trump's big, beautiful billionaire bill.

As of the 1st of October, 16 state Medicaid programs did cover these weight loss drugs for obesity, up from 13 last year, but some states now say they will discontinue the coverage or restrict who can qualify for it because they don't have the money to cover this and the Fed isn't gonna do it.

And things like, I mean, Osempic specifically, I know is a drug that's been used for diabetes.

And I believe one of our

live stream listeners even commented a few weeks ago saying because of the high demand of it, they

can't get it for their

diabetes

and

they're not trying to lose weight.

They're trying to treat a, a, an illness that they have that won't go away.

And I'm not saying you shouldn't use Ozepik to lose weight, but it feels like in the past, what I would say like 12 to six, 12 to 18 months, it's rent.

Everyone can get it.

Like it used to be like when Ozepik came out for weight loss, it was very specific because it was also

not really well covered by insurance, therefore

very, very expensive.

And then Donald Trump came through and said, we're going to make it cheap.

And then even with the cheapness, it'll be more available, which means the states will still have to cover, but people

with diabetes might not be able to get it.

Well, and that can kill them.

Yes.

Not having your insulin when you're a diabetic can kill you.

Many doctors and patient advocates say these weight loss drugs do save money in the long run.

by reducing obesity-related diseases like heart disease and diabetes.

A lot of states, though, have concluded they just can't afford it.

North Carolina Medicaid ended its coverage last month because of shortfalls in state money.

California, New Hampshire, South Carolina ending coverage on the first of the year.

Next year, Michigan Medicaid will limit coverage to those who are morbidly obese.

Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.

Also considering new restrictions.

And also just as a really quick thing, it's, it's, it's, it Osempic is not insulin.

It's a drug that people use on top of their insulin and their, their regular usage.

So that's just, someone made a comment before, and I want to clarify

that.

It's, it was,

yeah.

But I think this, I mean, I don't know how to frame it in the sense of saying, I don't want people to not be able to lose weight.

And I, and if they truly need a medical option, then

Okay, talk to your doctor, whether it's lap band surgery, whether it is ozepic or some other drug that can do that.

But having a plan, I also just know people who take ozepic or something like it, who just use that.

They use the drug.

They don't exercise.

They don't, they haven't really changed their eating too much.

Of course, it's an appetite suppressant.

So they eat less.

But if you're going to enter into such an expensive process,

It's good to have a plan.

It's good to have a weight loss journey plan if that's what you truly want to do.

And Osepix should be available for people who truly need it.

On top of that list, people with diabetes.

One expert says this likely reflects recent state budget challenges and the significant costs associated with covering these types of drugs after a number of years of robust revenue growth right after the pandemic.

Now states are starting to see their revenue slowing.

increasing spending demands and a lot of fiscal uncertainty doing no small parts to recent federal actions.

And honestly, this goes back to, you know, this, looking at this topic and you turn your head all the way back to the beginning of where, where it started.

This all starts with the budget that was passed this year, the massive cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, all those, all those government programs that, which may not cover this particular thing, but all those social safety net programs that were

gutted that won't take effect.

A lot of them until next year, after the midterms, convenient.

That is why we're facing these hard choices by states and, and it's red states and blue states and whatever you want to call them that are making these choices because they just don't have the money and the federal government isn't going to pony up.

anything.

If they're not giving money to FEMA, they're not giving money

for this.

In April, the Trump administration scrapped a Biden era measure that would have required state Medicaid programs to pay for some of these drugs.

Of course, Donald Trump says he's been negotiating with drug companies and they've reduced costs 700, 800, 1,000%.

So apparently all you have to do is go to your local pharmacy and they'll give you money.

Yeah.

And so far, I mean,

I'm pretty much on the social media and news sites.

I haven't seen anyone saying,

hey, I got my own epic

and a check.

No, no,

not so far.

No,

no, not happy.

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have gotten a check,

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Charles Franklin has been director of the Marquette Law School poll since it began in 2012, led the law school poll during the highly scrutinized 2012 election cycle.

Charles Franklin, good morning.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Good morning.

Good to be here.

Happy to have you with us.

Lots to break down.

You did a poll last month.

And some were you surprised by some of the results of this?

Are you ever surprised, Charles, because you do these so often?

I'm wondering if every anything ever makes you go back and go, wow, I wasn't expecting that.

I

can be surprised by some things.

You know, I think you do this for a while and you kind of.

expect certain things to be true.

The Democratic advantage in the congressional vote looking ahead, you know, that's only 11 months from tomorrow.

So time's ticking down.

Democrats have about a five point advantage over Republicans among all registered voters.

But when you look at likely voters, that goes up to a nine point advantage.

Now, nine would be exceptionally

Strong for Democrats in the actual vote.

So I wouldn't take that to the bank just now, but it is showing that the country is leaning Democratic for Congress and that

Democrats are more likely to vote than Republicans are.

That's why, among likely voters, the Democratic margin gets bigger.

It's because Democrats are turning out at about an 8% greater rate than Republicans are.

Again, we're talking about at the time this poll was done in mid-November a couple of weeks ago, 12 months away.

So these are just indicators of where the public is right now.

not a forecast for where the vote will ultimately end up.

That said, just as we saw in the November elections in New Jersey and Virginia, Democrats are in a pretty good position right now.

So that was a little surprising.

The margin there was a little surprising.

Especially because of the numbers we were hearing about the popularity of the Democratic Party was somewhere close to syphilis.

I mean, it wasn't good.

Yeah, no, you nailed it on that one.

And that's absolutely right.

And still, even in this poll, Republicans are seeing a little more positively than Democrats are.

This poll was done during the shutdown.

Almost all of the interviews were finished before the Senate voted to end the shutdown, and it was completely finished before the House voted to end the shutdown.

So think of this within the context of the shutdown.

Democrats got a significant boost in popularity between our September poll and this November poll.

Republicans came down just a couple of points.

But here's the thing that's lurking behind that unpopularity of the Democrats.

Among Republicans, 80% approve of the job Republicans are doing in Congress, but among Democrats, it's just 53% in September.

Barely half of Democrats approving of their party.

Now, during the shutdown, that went up to 64% approval among Democrats.

So the difference between Republicans overall approval and Democrats overall approval is largely because Democrats have been so disappointed in their party, finding it not resisting Trump in the way that they would like it to.

But here's the kicker.

You look at those Democrats.

who are negative towards their own party.

And they are voting 94% for Democratic congressional candidates.

Those happy with the party voting 95% for their Democratic candidates.

And so this disappointment with the party is easy to interpret as turning away from the party.

But when it comes to electoral support, those unhappy Democrats are just as strong voting for Democrats in the fall as the happy Democrats are.

I got to say happy Democrats.

I'm real serious to get from that yet.

I rarely meet happy Democrats lately.

Going back to what you were saying, as far as where the Democrats were a year ago today, which was a lot of postmortems of what went wrong and how did we lose the message.

A lot of actually things we hear Republicans doing after they lose elections in this 11 months between...

I mean, it's actually say almost 13 months between the election.

And now when you do those polls, Charles, and you see numbers like this go up for Democrats, do you see then, you know, from the reaction from the party or reaction from social media, people like, all right, we're back.

We're doing better.

Is there something in you as a, as a person who runs these polls that says

It's the numbers.

It's fine, but don't like you're not winning anything.

There's no votes yet I feel like people can look at poll numbers and just say we're back We're good.

We're good.

Okay, cool.

I can go back to whatever I'm doing, but it's just an indicator It doesn't mean any elections will be won.

How do you deal with people who say that to you?

Yeah, well, I say yeah now hold off basically what you say Look, this is true of both parties When we hear good news for our party we grasp on to that and we ignore

anything that's good for the other party or bad for our party.

Democrats have been all year long, as you say, very frustrated that they lost the presidential election, very frustrated at the things that Trump has done and that Democrats have failed to prevent.

And so when you have a piece of good news like this on the congressional vote, for example,

Democrats jump on that and say, just as you said, we're back.

We're in great shape.

And I think as an analyst of this stuff, I think that's counterproductive for the party's health.

What you want is a kind of sober, cold-eyed view of things.

And that sober view is things are better for the Democrats now than they have been for a while.

I sure wouldn't get carried away.

And I see that on social media all the time that if I report these results and they look pretty good for the party, Democrats will just jump on that and say, oh, thank you so much for this good news.

And I'm going, I'm sorry, I'm not delivering good news.

I'm giving you the data that we have.

And that's not a bad bit of news.

But try not to get carried away with it.

And most important, if you want your party to win, go out and win some elections.

Well, it's all it is as a snapshot.

A poll is a snapshot in time of that specific moment.

I mean, in two months.

depending upon what happens, if all of a sudden economically, things really start turning around in two months, you could have massively different results.

If you're just joining us, Charles Franklin is here from the Marquette University Law School, and we're talking about the law school poll, one of the most highly respected in the country.

They had a new poll that came out last month that we wanted to kick around.

Something that jumped out at me here, Charles, is that,

Most people have negative views of both parties.

We just don't like anybody.

That's really true.

We like our party pretty well, but we really despise the other guys.

And that's totally symmetrical.

I'll tell you an example.

We asked who's responsible for the shutdown.

And remember, we're in the shutdown at the time we're doing this poll.

And, you know, it's about evenly split across the whole.

country 33% blame the democrats 36 the republicans 31 say both but among republicans 67 blame the democrats just seven say their own party did anything wrong among democrats 72% blame the republicans just 5% think their party did wrong but among the

All seeing independence, 75% blame both parties.

And I think what you're seeing there is the divide, more or less even divide on who's responsible.

But when you have a dog in this fight, you're rooting hard for that dog and blaming the other party.

The independents are a little bit more distant and they're really unhappy with both parties.

One of the things

in this poll that it seems most of us agree upon are extending the tax credits for health insurance.

These ACA subsidies, 70% want to see those continue.

That's a massive reversal from what the Trump administration is saying.

It is.

And this is going to be a big problem for Republicans as they try to figure out what they're going to do about these credits.

Among Republicans, it's the reverse.

30% want them extended.

70% want them to expire.

But 68% of independents and oops, I'm sorry, I said that wrong.

To so many numbers.

Sorry, I'm blanking.

That's a big majority's less.

You call it that big majority's of independence and even bigger majorities of Democrats want them extended but with Republicans The unbalance they would like to see them expire This is a challenge within the GOP if you've got the president who's not behind extending them or maybe he is his position seems to change on that But you also have a base of the party that

Is more willing to let them expire you're on a big risk in the fall when all those Democrats, but especially the independence are upset about this so you know this along with inflation and the economy or things that are real warning signs for Republicans right now And they're the things that voters say are most important to them and as we are coming up on that moment when you're getting your bill for your

health insurance, this issue is likely to really hit home

this month.

And what concerns me, Charles, is that I have a feeling that among those Republicans who want to see the subsidies end are people who are on the Affordable Care Act, but they want to see the Obamacare subsidies go away.

There is a different difference there.

You know, you don't want to exaggerate this.

This tax credit expiration is expected to hit about 20 million people.

That's not a small number.

But we're not talking about everybody.

If your income is especially low.

your tax credits probably won't change.

It's the folks that make moderate to medium-high incomes who have been really protected by the tax credits, and it's those folks that are going to be hit especially hard.

But those are exactly the kind of folks that tend to vote and tend to make their opinions known to their elected officials.

We're going to continue our conversation with Charles Franklin from the Marquette University Law School, and we're talking about the poll.

Poll was done in November, kicking around some of those results.

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Right now, we are joined by Charles Franklin, who heads the Marquette University Law School poll.

We are talking about the poll that they did in November.

Charles, one thing that really jumped out for me at this is that, boy, neither party likes this mid-district, mid-decade, rather, redistricting.

It's almost 70%.

Yeah, no, it's really striking and we've asked about it a couple of times and seen very similar results of large majorities and large majorities across parties Republicans and Independence and Democrats don't like it The one thing that's changed is that in September when Texas had done the redistricting but California had not yet Republicans were more positive towards redistricting still a majority disapproved of it, but

Substantial minority approved and Democrats were very opposed now in November after California has played the tit for tat game Democrats are a little less disapproving of redistricting and Republicans sorry Democrats are a little more approving of redistricting Republicans a little less approving so it does again come back to that who's ox is getting

gored

here.

Yeah, but I don't want to hide the the main result which is

Across parties, people don't like this idea of redrawing the lines in the middle of the decade.

Well, and I do want to point out the difference between what happened in Texas and what happened in California.

Is Texas just did this?

Governor Abbott essentially just instituted this.

In California, they put it to the voters.

That there is a difference there.

Yeah.

And I think that's what's interesting about your poll as well as many others as we when we see people coming together over various topics.

We, you know, it, for me, I want to shake these pieces of paper at our lawmakers say, this is what we want.

And this is what you're not doing.

We have said yes to this.

You're saying no to whatever.

But we now live in a very poll heavy society.

Every news network loves to bring up polls.

I mean, from wherever, and that's kind of the problem is they kind of can come from wherever.

And you were diligent in this.

You are respected throughout the country.

What do you say to people who are, if they want to get good polling information?

Where do they go?

How do they do that?

Who do they find people they can trust?

It's awfully hard to do.

I do it for a living, so it's sort of easy for me to say which ones are the ones I always look at and which ones do I not pay so much attention to.

I think in general, the polls that are done by major news media, whether it's

The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal.

Those all use very well respected pollsters.

The TV networks have good people doing their polling.

That includes CNN's polls.

And also, especially, I want to point out that Fox has an excellent polling team.

A lot of Democrats think that's hard to believe, but the Fox pollsters are really first rate.

And if you look at similar questions across these different polls, you actually find they're telling you the same story.

The percentages may differ a bit, but the qualitative story of whether we want redistricting or don't, or whether we approve of this policy or that policy, those things line up remarkably well when you realize these polls are done by completely different organizations at different times.

jewels and so on.

So far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty happy with those.

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't other good pollsters out there, but those are the ones that are most easy for voters, people,

citizens

to find

with a

little

bit of searching.

Well, and it's just a good reminder to Charles that

I mean, anybody can say that they're a polling company.

I started Bill and Ted's excellent polling company, and we interviewed 10 people.

But you do want to be careful.

And your poll has been around for a long time.

These publications that you mentioned, these pollsters have all been around for a long time with established histories.

Be a little skeptical of some of the newer, again,

Bill and Ted's excellent adventure poll results.

I would not trust them.

I wouldn't

name your company that, Jane.

It probably gets sued.

Oh, so what?

Somebody would follow me.

Are you kidding me?

Someone would follow.

Charles Franklin heads the Marquette University Law School poll.

Thank you so very much for your time, Charles.

Really, really appreciate it.

Thank you.

Have a great day.

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Mika Daia.

Micah Dayia is the head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.

Micah, good morning.

Thanks so much for joining us.

Good morning and thank you for having me.

Absolutely.

Well, let's start first of all with what it is that Zero Shadow does.

From my understanding, you help crypto companies.

Stay legitimate.

Is that accurate?

In a way, yes.

So we do a little bit of everything.

So one of the things is, you know, we help those that are already in the crypto space stay safe.

So, okay, hey, like, you know, doing audits, things like that, reviewing what are safe procedures, what's not safe.

But primarily what we're known for is our incident response.

And so that's when the bad stuff has happened that they've been hacked, exploited.

Maybe, you know, there was something of an insider.

theft, North Korea, unfortunately, these malicious interviews, something more on the malicious side where they need on the go now 24 seven monitoring where we're pretty much tracing investigating working with law enforcement and kind of in a way like a crypto superhero where our goal is to freeze, freeze, freeze.

So are you looking out for like crypto scams though?

Is that what you guys are involved in?

Because this is a big thing and I know I found a couple articles too.

A lot of seniors and a lot of young people are pulled into these crypto scams.

Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start, but that is one of our main things is where we try to inform ourselves, hey, what is happening right now?

What are the big trends targeting people?

And then it's not even just like targeting the crypto exchanges, like the big crypto people who have millions and billions of dollars, but it's also like the individuals because that's usually where it starts.

And so, I'm pretty sure you're well aware of back then in the day, you'd receive a suspicious phone call,

Somebody would walk you through tell you to go to Home Depot purchase like some sort of gift card

so

on and so now with the crypto theft like those pretty much like those like transcripts of what the scammers used to use have evolved especially as the financial system has evolved technology has evolved and so It's been a fun interesting time unfortunately.

I don't mean I'm I do not want to come off disrespectful to our older folks, but like the directions of

go to Home Depot, buy a gift card, and then the steps.

I understand, again, I don't want to sound insulting, I understand how they get that process.

But as far as crypto goes, how do seniors get pulled in when sometimes technology can be a problem where they don't even understand certain simple things that are everyday processes?

How do they get involved in crypto then?

How are you walking through that process?

Oh my goodness.

One, I'm glad you mentioned that Greg, because like when I'm, you know, chatting with victims or I like to call them users, individuals afterwards, you know, it's so difficult just to get them on a Google Meets call.

And so I question, I'm like, yes, it took me over half an hour to get you on a phone call just so I can see your face.

So you can see I'm a human.

Yeah.

How did you get walked through this?

Right.

Like if you've seen crypto, it's

It's

complicated.

It is

very complicated, but these scammers are so patient.

Yeah.

I cannot even explain the patients they have in a way.

I'm like, they have a patience of a God, but that's their job.

Like they're pretty much in the business to scam.

And so I've seen a few different trends of what they'll do to take advantage of the elderly.

So one.

you know, like I'm sure you've all seen it.

You get that suspicious text message.

Hey, Mario, it's me.

Do you remember me?

Do you want to grab lunch?

Hey, we met on that dating website.

Hey, I'm going to be in town.

You know, like those weird messages that somebody might be like, oh, okay.

Like maybe I forgot.

Yeah.

You know, I, you know, I just got a new phone and so on.

Oh, you know, maybe this will be like that story of that one grandma who opened her home to somebody that was confused on Thanksgiving.

And so they'll start that little messaging banter like oh sorry apologies.

Or maybe you know they start somehow like the answer a phone call where the scammer is impersonating.

You know somebody like such as law enforcement financial institution.

And what they'll do from there is you know they'll gauge okay hey this person is not literate when it comes to cryptocurrency they don't really know anything.

So they might start with a few different angles one they'll say hey.

your 401k, your financial, blah, blah, blah portfolio has been compromised.

We need to get you to a safe space or they can start with the narrative.

Hey, you know, it starts on like some dating application where they're lonely, whatnot.

And the scammer says, Hey, I'm involved with my uncle's investment opportunity.

Like we have like these really great promotions coming up.

So are you interested?

So they start with some sort of like hook to bring

it

in.

And then

depending on the patients, you know, they either one might hop on like a WhatsApp call or they might share a video link.

They might share a link that gives them access to their device where they're able to screen share.

And so that usually tends to be one of the main two things is they try to find a way that that person, the individual can give access so then the scammer can walk them through or they might email them a link because they'll be like, oh, here's my email.

And then they have them click on

the link which downloads the software the remote access software where they might you know again a lot of us use like password reuse so like your password to your email might be the same password for your bank account and then they walk the user through hey

We need to make this safe like so let's go do this We're gonna go open this account and they walk them step by step where they you know Remote control might be showing the arrows.

Oh, you see this little thing in this upper left corner We're gonna click those dots.

Oh, you see bank accounts.

Okay.

Hey, we're gonna go on this drop down and you're going to connect your bank account You're gonna get some emails right now.

Don't worry again.

This is all part of the process You're just gonna say yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, and so I've had some elderly

users where in the past weeks or whatnot They didn't really know anything about crypto Maybe there was a language barrier, you know English isn't their native language So they're concerned when it comes to immigration status Whatever the thing be so that the moment, you know your traditional financial institution calls you they lie Because the scammers are telling them to lie and so we have on one end where the traditional financial system has like these enhanced due diligence measures to protect them

But then, depending on the user, they're so engaged into, especially if it's a romance scam, unfortunately, they're willing to lie.

Boy.

And

yeah.

You just make my stomach hurts now.

I can just seriously, though, I can imagine if I didn't have this job and read as much as I do and talk to people like you, Micah, I can see getting a phone call, someone saying your 401k has been compromised.

We need to do something right now or they're gonna drain your savings and that panic That you feel right and getting a call like that and then trusting them Boy Mika when you talked about how they what they are walking you through the process of your own demise Essentially,

yeah, they're taking advantage of your emotions the panic, you know and because like they're heightening like

these emotions and the panic, your normal alarms that are supposed to be preventative, they're out the window.

You

know, you're seeing things from such a narrow lens because that's what they want you to see.

That's what they want you to focus on.

Your family members could be calling on you to check you in that, check in like, hey, if you'd answered their phone call, maybe you would have been like, oh wait, like I shouldn't be doing this.

The sanity check.

But when you're in that moment where they're walking you through your paranoia, all

those alarms, those protective barriers, they go.

And this doesn't just happen, yeah.

It doesn't happen to elderly people.

It happens to young people, too, that are in the system.

They're like, I should have known better.

If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, Micah Daia is our guest.

She's the head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, which is a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.

And that's what I wanted to talk about next is that, you know, we have a person from the Better Business Bureau who comes here and talks about scams every quarter just to be on the lookout.

And one of the things we always discuss that this is not an age-specific thing with young people, it might even be easier by just someone saying, hey, I'm going to use Teenspeak.

Hey, bro, do you want to get down on this thing?

And they just click, click, click, and they're done.

And that's it because

they see crypto, they see riches, they see the world around them.

And it's easier.

And this is a point where parents have to be involved in what their kids are seeing on their screens because it's a matter of going from, you know, I mean, who knows if that bank account on the tablet is hooked to the credit card of their parents.

And they say, Oh yeah, of course we want crypto.

And they hit it.

I mean, how are, how are kids being brought in and, and therefore should be protected from these types of scams as well.

I think one of the main things is social media.

They hear about these opportunities from social media, whether they're following some influencer on X on TikTok, they're following influencer on YouTube.

And, you know, a lot of people read into the comments.

And so, especially now with technology, we see that like AI artificial intelligence, like people are impersonating, you know, celebrities, these fake endorsements, whatnot, they're reading into the conversation.

Threads like oh, hey, like they're just upcoming like token drop.

There's this upcoming You know, they're giving free crypto tokens like drop your wallet in the in the chat now if you want to seize advantage of this and so They'll be like, oh, yeah, I don't want to miss out on this like the FOMO if you're missing

out Yeah,

and so they're clicking on things They're connecting to things and they don't realize like okay.

Hey, maybe it's like an interesting URL like I'll just say

tokenairdrop.top.

And so they click on this thinking, okay, hey, like, if I type in my crypto address, like I type in something, like, I'll eventually get this free access.

But what they don't realize is that this URL might be a malicious link where maybe they're spying into their device, maybe they're what we call like a drainer where they just drain everything.

And they're like, why isn't it loading?

Like, why am I not getting my free tokens?

And it's because they're using that excitement of, you know, the crypto space, I'm going to get rich quick.

And they're not thinking these things clearly, like as you mentioned, Greg, like they also don't think about like, hmm, what are the repercussions of this?

Like, let's just say I click on this link.

What else is connected to the device I'm using to click on this link?

Which is something we see about like the elderly folks, like, oh, my bank account, my credit card, $20,000 worth, easily gone.

Oh my God.

Micah, do you guys do any tracking of cryptos that have

essentially exploded.

I mean, you know, the value was super, super high.

And then all of a sudden it just went, it was gone.

I know there have been a lot of users who have invested in certain cryptos and then have lost everything.

Yeah.

So one of the things with cryptocurrency is it's volatile, you know, and it's kind of like the stock market, like it goes up, it goes down, it's influenced by their factors.

But another thing is what we call like these rug pulls.

whether these fake token projects that people want to get in on, but then the owners or the designers behind this project, it all had malicious intent to take people's money and run.

And so we focus more so on the ladder of like, what is illicit?

Like, what is maybe something that we can connect to previous scam, you know, previous rug pull exit.

And so that's one of the things we try to look for is like, how do we get on top of it of connecting the dots?

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Do Ia?

Do Ia?

Geez.

I'm just going to call you Micah.

We'll just make it easy.

This head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.

Thank you so much for being here, Micah.

It's been very interesting.

You know, in all this discussion, we were just discussing with Micah about how crypto scams, how crypto, well, I guess they're just scams.

I was trying to be a more whatever about it, but they're scams.

How they target many people.

What are the steps folks can take older and younger to

keep away from this.

I mean, not just like, don't click on this, but when you, as you said, when you get a phone call, that fear can be engaged.

What can people do in the moment to prepare themselves where if they get that call, they can say, all right, they can hang up, do whatever.

What do we do when we get those, those, that, that, um, that reach out from those people trying to take, take our money?

So some of the things I've told some people is one, question everything.

You know like think about it like when you were a little kid and you would want to ask your parents for some pocket change And they would ask you why like what what is this for?

And so hey, that's that's just one of the things I think of like, you know When it comes to like our own family relationships that we have struggles where if my brother were to ask me for a hundred dollars I'd be like, what do you need a hundred dollars for?

But then oftentimes when it comes to the individuals with the scammers, they don't even look at us and

we just accept it, right?

You give them $10,000, $100,000.

And so I say with step one, a lot of these often call, especially when it comes to the elderly folks, is you get a weird number.

You know, it might be sometimes that they do the same area code where you live, or maybe it's one of those numbers that starts with an eight.

And so you're like, okay, maybe this is like associated with a bank like 888-818-808.

My thing is, if you don't know that phone number, it is not saved in your phone, reject it.

If it is important,

They will leave a voicemail.

Yep.

And oftentimes they don't leave voicemails, you know, it's just that's it.

And then if you're curious, maybe like, let's say the next day, you can try and call that phone number and you're gonna, most likely what's going to happen is it's disconnected.

After one day.

Oh, within one day.

And that is because either one, those phone numbers are using or one time use where they do, you know, they're not even in the US oftentimes.

They're in India, somewhere in Asia, or maybe they're just like some really poop head of like high schoolers, young adults in the US that just, you know, they have nothing better to do.

They're like, Hey, let's see who we can scam.

Take advantage of these people.

And so again, don't answer a phone call that you do not know.

PJ and the live stream says the same thing.

Don't answer phone numbers that you don't recognize.

The same goes for emails.

Exactly.

And then let's say they do leave a voicemail.

Well,

I guess the next thing would be is try and see if you can Google or research that phone number, right?

If they say, hey, we're with your bank, you know, hey, we're with this ex financial institution, you know, your portfolio, whatnot.

I would look at the back of your debit card, the back of your credit card, or maybe go in person to that institution and confirm, right?

Because a lot of people are impersonating, they're saying, hey, I'm with so-and-so, hey, I'm with law enforcement.

But if you have those resources, go in person, confirm yourself.

And they'll be like, hey, no, can you show us that email?

Can you walk us through?

Let's look at that phone number.

Because oftentimes, if it is connected to an institution and say you didn't answer, in their system, they're going to have some sort of recording of it if it was them.

They'll have a ticket number.

They'll have an open case, so on.

And so that's the other thing I would recommend is look into it.

you know, especially with emails, like those emails you don't recognize or those emails that look legitimate.

Another thing might be is like clicking the email header

is

often what happens.

I'm sure many of you are familiar with is they'll pretend to be like, Hey, I'm with Chase Bank or something.

But the moment you click that email, you'll see that the actual real identity behind it is, I don't know, rocket launch at gmail.com.

It has nothing to do with Chase Bank.

And so I think that's the only thing is just try to be a little more meticulous, a little more, you know, eye-opening.

And then the most important thing that I've told a lot of people, when you wake up, try not to touch your phone for the first hour because a lot of times, I am guilty of this too.

Try not to touch your phone for the first hour because a lot of times we don't, you know, we're not aware.

And so you're accidentally clicking on things that

had you brushed your teeth, taken a shower, walked the dog, who knows?

You'd been like, oh my gosh, that was a total scam.

Like, come on now.

Greg knows this firsthand.

Okay.

I got it in the holiday.

I think it was last year.

In the holiday, I got a text from USPS saying, hey, we just need to confirm some information for your delivery.

I'm like, oh, I'm getting a lot of stuff delivered.

So I clicked on it and I confirmed it and I gave him my number.

about 10 minutes later, my not sleepy morning brain kicked in and I was, what did I just do?

And I looked and I saw where the where the link came from and I should have gotten three tickets driving to the bank because I sped to the bank to cancel that card because and

And that's my point over all these discussions that you may think you're tech savvy, you may think you question everything, but there are moments where you just aren't thinking and you do something and you're in this situation.

So yeah, I think, Micah, that is a great, don't trust anything you get.

Always ask questions.

Yeah, and it's like, especially it's like, you know, just take time to pause before you do something.

So whether you're waking up, you're running around doing groceries or you're at a party.

I've had users where they were in control.

Let's like, actually, this was user 20 million dollars.

They were at a party in Florida, accepted an air droppling and then boom, you know.

So it's like, if you can just take the time to pause and you can always come back to it later.

Wow.

Micah Diya is with a shadow, zero shadow, a leading crypto and Web three incident response firm.

It's been so interesting.

Micah, thank you so very much for your time.

Of course, thank you.

Have a great day.

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Oh boy.

Holiday weekend related.

Oh boy.

Just because.

A couple of things we didn't get around to.

We did have a show on Thursday.

We did.

And again, thank you everyone who called in, who texted in, who were a part of that, who sent us their recipes, Dietrich and Meg, Dietrich and

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We're coming to Eau Claire next year.

For Thanksgiving.

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I can't pay for all of it.

I'm not made of money, but man, I, Thanksgiving feast with those three, good gravy.

And the

sous vide.

the subida preparation.

We got another email about that too on Jane says.

So some interesting things we're going to research there.

But yes, how was your Thanksgiving weekend?

How did you manage with the snow?

Did you end up changing your plans?

If you got snowed in on Saturday, what did you do with your day?

You were supposed to go to Indiana.

And you were the bringer of the turkey.

Yeah, it was it was an interesting so I I'm always a little stressed out in the holidays Thanksgiving and Christmas those are the only holidays my family really do anymore and it's just a I Want to make sure everything's perfect and I want to make sure everyone's having a good time And I want to make sure that there's nobody going oh well and then dot dot dot a passive

aggressive complaint,

although

how we are not good at what we do.

Point is, it's been the same for the past few years.

My mother-in-law is so gracious and allows us to use her house as kind of our, and it's- That's the gathering spot?

For my family, not even, this is, this is not an in-laws.

This is my family.

So my mom, her companion, my sister, her husband, the niece and nephew, me and my wife, and then my mother-in-law, we all gather at Thanksgiving at her house.

Cause again, I am,

Lucky blessed, whatever you want to say, to have a mother and a mother-in-law who are definitely

close.

They're

so close.

They love each other so

much.

But we all gather there.

And there was a cry baby moment from yours truly over some poorly constructed chairs that needed to be put together, but that got solved and I got over myself.

And we bought again this year a turkey from a local farm, two creeks farm in Union Grove.

If you get into Union Grove, buy yourself a local turkey.

That's your thing.

Or if it's a chicken or a ham, go local.

There's many reasons.

One, you are supporting local business.

You are supporting our farmers.

And also, I'm sorry, it's just better.

And this year, Jane, oh

my God.

Was it the best turkey on the

entire history of Turkey?

There was almost a big problem because the turkey got done quick.

Well, let's go back now because you were supposed to go to Indiana and you were the bringer of the turkey and

you did not go to Indiana.

Well, the Indiana trip happens on that Friday.

So we always do Thursday at my mother-in-law's house.

And then Friday we pack up the car, we go to Indiana South Bend where Bridget's family is a lot from the Indiana area and just kind of spend like two, three days there catching up with folks and friends, people who are flying in from all over the world to spend time with family.

And

Thanksgiving's over.

I'll get back to the turkey in a moment, but Thanksgiving's over.

It's the next day.

We know a storm's coming here in Wisconsin.

And then all of a sudden Bridget's cousin who is in Ireland says, Oh, there's a huge storm morning in Indiana.

And it's like, Oh, well, so what?

I want to go.

I don't want to be here.

I want to go.

I want to get out of town.

I don't take vacation much.

And

now you don't.

And it's also, I like hanging out with her family.

So long story short, too late.

we just decide not to go because the storm that's coming to Indiana is pretty much going to be the same storm.

We're getting here in Wisconsin and we decide to cut bait, stay home.

We had the dog in daycare for boarding for two nights.

So he pulled her out as well.

And we just went home.

And man, we were so angry on Saturday morning around like 11 o'clock, cause there was barely any snow at that point.

And we were very much like-

We

could have made it.

Yeah.

And then we found, well, one, it happened.

I mean, yesterday, I think in Kenosha, we got between nine to 11 inches.

And also in Indiana, they got walloped in those counties.

And there was a huge, huge accident on 94, going southbound to-

Indiana.

So overall, it was just like two and a half days cuddling up in the house cozy and nice.

Get back to the turkey.

Well, you started me up on Indiana.

But you were the bringer of the turkey and you didn't go to Indiana, so you and Bridget ended up with this turkey.

But the turkey was made for Thanksgiving on Thursday.

Oh, I thought you were taking it with you to Indiana.

No, not at any point.

Did I make that clear or a parent or anything?

No, we bought the turkey for Thanksgiving on Thursday.

Oh, I was confused.

So it wasn't just you and Bridget eating turkey for four days.

No, no, we had turkey on Thanksgiving night and then we had leftovers.

Okay.

And this turkey was so well prepared by my wife.

It was brined.

It was.

It was just given all the love and support and basted and sung to mm-hmm And we almost got to the point where it was like it cooked.

It was done before people showed up Fresh turkeys, I guess cook faster and interesting.

Yeah, I don't know and I'm sure the people on the live stream going.

Yeah, of course they do but Point is we got the turkey done.

We just told everyone.

Hey, we're gonna be eating a lot sooner than we expected and no one cared They're fine with that.

I mean nowadays Thanksgiving takes place at 1 p.m.

Sometimes but

It was the best turkey I've ever had in my life, Jane.

I'm still thinking about it.

It was the juiciest.

Really?

I mean, we've all had dry turkey

and that's the

big fear.

No amount of gravy is going to save this rock of a bird.

And I enjoyed not only just great turkey on the day, the leftovers were just as good.

And just as moist.

Yes!

I'm fine with that word.

Boy, Bridget did something special to that bird then.

She's a little annoyed with me bringing up how good it was.

And I'm just trying to heap praise upon her.

I'm like, that turkey, I'm still thinking about it.

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