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Micah Diya is the head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.
Micah, good morning.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Good morning and thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
Well, let's start first of all with what it is that Zero Shadow does.
From my understanding, you help crypto companies.
Stay legitimate.
Is that accurate?
In a way, yes.
So we do a little bit of everything.
So one of the things is, you know, we help those that are already in the crypto space stay safe.
So, okay, hey, like, you know, doing audits, things like that, reviewing what are safe procedures, what's not safe.
But primarily what we're known for is our incident response.
And so that's when the bad stuff has happened that they've been hacked, exploited.
Maybe, you know, there was something of an insider.
theft, North Korea, unfortunately, these malicious interviews, something more on the malicious side where they need on the go now 24 seven monitoring where we're pretty much tracing, investigating, working with law enforcement and kind of in a way like a crypto superhero where our goal is to freeze, freeze, freeze.
So are you looking out for like crypto scams though?
Is that what you guys are involved in?
Yeah, this is a big thing.
And I know I found a couple articles to a lot of seniors and a lot of young people are are pulled into these crypto scams.
Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start, but that is one of our main things is where we try to inform ourselves, hey, what is happening right now?
Like what are the big trends targeting people?
And then it's not even just like targeting like the crypto exchanges, like the big crypto people who have millions and billions of dollars, but it's also like the individuals because that's usually where it starts.
And so, I'm pretty sure you're well aware of like back then in the day, you'd receive a suspicious phone call,
Somebody would walk you through tell you to go to Home Depot purchase like some sort of gift card so on and so now with the crypto theft like those pretty much like those like transcripts of what the scammers used to use have evolved especially as the financial system has evolved technology has evolved and so It's been a fun interesting time unfortunately.
I don't mean I'm I do not want to come off disrespectful to our older folks, but like the directions of
go to Home Depot, buy a gift card, and then the steps.
I understand, again, I don't want to sound insulting.
I understand how they get that process.
But as far as crypto goes, how do seniors get pulled in when sometimes technology can be a problem where they don't even understand certain simple things that are everyday processes?
How do they get involved in crypto then?
How are you walking through that process?
Oh my goodness.
One, I'm glad you mentioned that Greg, because like when I'm, you know, chatting with victims or I like to call them users, individuals afterwards, you know, it's so difficult just to get them on a Google Meets call.
And so I question, I'm like, yes, it took me over half an hour to get you on a phone call just so I can see your face.
So you can see I'm a human.
Yeah.
How did you get walked through this?
Right.
Like if you've seen crypto, it's
It's a little complex.
It's complicated.
It is.
It's very complicated, but these scammers are so patient.
Yeah.
I cannot even explain the patients they have.
In a way, I'm like, they have a patience of a God, but that's their job.
Like they're pretty much in the business to scam.
And so I've seen a few different trends of what they'll do to take advantage of the elderly.
So one.
You know, like I'm sure you've all seen it.
You get that suspicious text message.
Hey, Mario, it's me.
Do you remember me?
Do you want to grab lunch?
Hey, we met on that dating website.
Hey, I'm going to be in town.
You know, those weird messages that somebody might be like, Oh, okay.
Like maybe I forgot.
Yeah.
You know, I, you know, I just got a new phone and so on.
Oh, you know, maybe this will be like that story of that one grandma who opened her home to somebody that was confused on Thanksgiving.
And so they'll start that little messaging banter like, oh, sorry, apologies.
Or maybe, you know, they start somehow like the answer a phone call where the scammer is impersonating, you know, somebody like such as law enforcement, a financial institution.
And what they'll do from there is, you know, they'll gauge, okay, hey, this person is not literate when it comes to cryptocurrency.
They don't really know anything.
So they might start with a few different angles.
One, they'll say, hey,
your 401k, your financial, blah, blah, blah portfolio has been compromised.
We need to get you to a safe space or they can start with the narrative.
Hey, you know, it starts on like some dating application where they're lonely, whatnot.
And the scammer says, Hey, I'm involved with my uncle's investment opportunity.
Like we have these really great promotions coming up.
So are you interested?
So they start with some sort of like hook to bring it
And then
Depending on the patients, you know, they either one might hop on like a WhatsApp call or they might share a video link.
They might share a link that gives them access to their device where they're able to screen share.
And so that usually tends to be one of the main two things is they try to find a way that that person, the individual can give access so then the scammer can walk them through or they might email them a link because they'll be like, oh, here's my email.
And then they have them click on.
the link which downloads the software the remote access software where they might you know again a lot of us use like password reuse so like your password to your email might be the same password for your bank account and then they walk the user through hey
We need to make this safe.
Like, so let's go do this.
We're going to go open this account and they walk them step by step where they, you know, remote control might be showing the arrows.
Oh, you see this little thing in this upper left corner.
We're going to click those dots.
Oh, you see bank accounts.
Okay.
Hey, we're going to go on this drop down and you're going to connect your bank account.
You're going to get some emails right now.
Don't worry again.
This is all part of the process.
You're just going to say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
And so I've had some elderly.
users where in the past weeks or whatnot, they didn't really know anything about crypto.
Maybe there was a language barrier.
You know, English isn't their native language.
So they're concerned when it comes to immigration status, whatever the thing be.
So that the moment, you know, your traditional financial institution calls you, they lie because the scammers are telling them to lie.
And so we have on one end where the traditional financial system has like these enhanced due diligence measures to protect
But then, depending on the user, they're so engaged into, especially if it's a romance scam, unfortunately, they're willing to lie.
Boy.
And
yeah, I, you just make my stomach hurts now.
I can just seriously, though, I can imagine if I didn't have this job and read as much as I do and talk to people like you, Micah, I can see getting a phone call, someone saying your 401k has been compromised.
We need to do something right now or they're gonna drain your savings and that panic That you feel right and getting a call like that and then trusting them Boy Mika when you talked about how they what they are walking you through the process of your own demise Essentially,
they're taking advantage of your emotions the panic, you know and because like they're heightening like
these emotions and the panic, your normal alarms that are supposed to be preventative, they're out the window.
know, you're seeing things from such a narrow lens because that's what they want you to see.
That's what they want you to focus on.
Your family members could be calling on you to check you in that, check in like, hey, if you'd answer their phone call, maybe you would have been like, oh wait, like I shouldn't be doing this.
The sanity check.
But when you're in that moment where they're walking you through your paranoia, all
those alarms, those protective barriers, they go.
And this doesn't just happen, yeah.
It doesn't happen just to elderly people.
It happens to young people too that are in the system.
They're like, I should have known better.
You know.
If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, Micah Daia is our guest.
She's the head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, which is a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.
And that's what I wanted to talk about next is that, you know, we have a person from the Better Business Bureau who comes here and talks about scams every quarter just to be on the lookout.
And one of the things we always discuss that this is not an age specific thing with young people, it might even be easier by just someone saying, hey, I'm going to use Teenspeak.
Hey, bro, do you want to get out on this thing?
And they just click, click, click and they're done.
And that's it because
They see crypto, they see riches, they see the world around them and it's easier.
And this is a point where parents have to be involved in what their kids are seeing on their screens because it's a matter of going from, you know, I mean, who knows if that bank account on the tablet is hooked to the credit card of their parents and they say, oh yeah, of course we want crypto and they hit it.
I mean, how are how are kids being brought in and therefore should be protected from these types of scams as well?
I think one of the main things is social media.
hear about these opportunities from social media, whether they're following some influencer on X on TikTok, they're following influencer on YouTube.
And, you know, a lot of people read into the comments.
And so, especially now with technology, we see that like AI artificial intelligence, like people are impersonating, you know, celebrities, these fake endorsements, whatnot.
They're reading into the conversation.
Threads like oh, hey like they're just upcoming like token drop.
There's this upcoming You know, they're giving free crypto tokens like drop your wallet in the in the chat now if you want to seize advantage of this and so They'll be like, oh, yeah, I don't want to miss out on this like the FOMO if you're missing
and so they're clicking on things They're connecting to things and they don't realize like okay.
Hey, maybe it's like an interesting URL like I'll just say
tokenairdrop.top and so they click on this thinking okay hey like if I type in my crypto address like I type in something like I'll eventually get this free access but what they don't realize is that this URL might be a malicious link where maybe they're spying into their device maybe they're what we call like a drainer where they just drain everything and they're like why isn't it loading like why am I not getting my free tokens and it's because
they're using that excitement of, you know, the crypto space, I'm going to get rich quick.
And they're not thinking these things clearly, like as you mentioned, Greg, like they also don't think about like, hmm, what are the repercussions of this?
Like, let's just say I click on this link.
What else is connected to the device I'm using to click on this link?
Which is something we see about like the elderly folks, like, oh, my bank account, my credit card, $20,000 worth, easily gone.
Oh my gosh.
Micah, do you guys do any tracking of cryptos that have essentially exploded?
I mean, you know, the value was super, super high.
And then all of a sudden it just went, it was gone.
I know there have been a lot of users who have invested in certain cryptos and then have lost everything.
Yeah.
So one of the things with cryptocurrency is it's volatile.
You know, and it's kind of like the stock market, like it goes up, it goes down, it's influenced by other factors.
But another thing is what we call like these rug pulls, where there are these fake token projects that people want to get in on, but then the owners or the designers behind this project, it all had malicious intent to take people's money and run.
And so we focus more so on the ladder of like, what is illicit?
Like, what is maybe something that we can connect to previous scam?
You know, previous rug pull exit.
And so that's one of the things we try to look for is, like, how do we get on top of it, of connecting the dots?
We're going to continue our conversation with Micah Daia.
Is they had a civilian investigations and support at Zero Shadow?
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Do Ia?
Do Ia?
Geez.
I'm just going to call you Micah.
We'll just make it easy.
This head of civilian investigations and support and a founding member of Zero Shadow, a leading crypto and web three incident response firm.
Thank you so much for being here, Micah.
It's been very interesting.
You know, in all this discussion, we were just discussing with Micah about how crypto scams, how crypto, well, I guess they're just scams.
I was trying to be a more whatever about it, but they're scams.
How they target many people.
What are the steps folks can take older and younger to
keep away from this I mean not just like don't click on this but when you as you said when you get a phone call that fear can be engaged what can people do in the moment to prepare themselves where if they get that call they can say all right they can hang up do whatever what do we do when we get those those that that um that reach out from those people trying to take take our money
so some of the things I've told some people is one question everything
You know like think about it like when you were a little kid and you would want to ask your parents for some pocket change and they would ask you why like what what is this for and so Hey, that's that's just one of the things I think of like, you know When it comes to like our own family relationships that we have struggles where if my brother were to ask me for a hundred dollars I'd be like, what do you need a hundred dollars for?
But then oftentimes when it comes to the individuals with the scammers, they don't we just we
just accept it, right?
You give them $10,000, $100,000.
And so I say with step one, a lot of these often call, especially when it comes to the elderly folks, is you get a weird number.
It might be sometimes that they do the same area code where you live, or maybe it's one of those numbers that starts with an eight.
And so you're like, okay, maybe this is like associated with a bank, like 888-818-808.
My thing is, if you don't know that phone number, it is not saved in your phone, reject it.
If it is important,
they will leave a voicemail.
And oftentimes they don't leave voicemails.
It's just that's it.
And then if you're curious, maybe like, let's say the next day, you can try and call that phone number and you're gonna, most likely what's going to happen is it's disconnected.
After one day.
Oh, within one day.
And that is because either one, those phone numbers they're using are one time use where they do, they're not even in the US oftentimes.
They're in India, somewhere in Asia, or maybe they're just like some really poop head of like high schoolers, young adults in the US that just, you know, they have nothing better to do.
They're like, Hey, let's see who we can scam.
Take advantage of these people.
And so again, don't answer a phone call that you do not know.
PJ and the live stream says the same thing.
Don't answer phone numbers that you don't recognize.
The same goes for emails.
Exactly.
And then let's say they do leave a voicemail.
Well,
I guess the next thing would be is try and see if you can Google or research that phone number, right?
If they say, hey, we're with your bank, you know, hey, we're with this ex financial institution, you know, your portfolio, whatnot.
I would look at the back of your debit card, the back of your credit card, or maybe go in person to that institution and confirm, right?
Because a lot of people are impersonating, they're saying, hey, I'm with so-and-so, hey, I'm with law enforcement.
But if you have those resources, go in person, confirm yourself.
And they'll be like, hey, no, can you show us that email?
Can you walk us through?
Let's look at that phone number.
Because oftentimes, if it is connected to an institution and say you didn't answer, in their system, they're going to have some sort of recording of it if it was them.
They'll have a ticket number.
They'll have an open case, so on.
And so that's the other thing I would recommend is look into it.
you know, especially with emails, like those emails you don't recognize or those emails that look legitimate.
Another thing might be is like clicking the email header is often what happens.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with is they'll pretend to be like, Hey, I'm with Chase Bank or something.
But the moment you click that email, you'll see the actual real identity behind it is, I don't know, rocket launch at gmail.com.
It has nothing to do with Chase Bank.
And so I think that's the only thing is just try to be a little more meticulous, a little more, you know, eye-opening.
And then the most important thing that I've told a lot of people, when you wake up, try not to touch your phone for the first hour because a lot of times, I am guilty of this too.
Try not to touch your phone for the first hour because a lot of times we don't, you know, we're not awake enough.
We're not aware.
And so you're accidentally clicking on things that had you, you know,
brushed your teeth, taken a shower, walked the dog.
Who knows?
You'd been like, Oh my gosh, like that was a total scam.
Like, come on
now.
Greg knows this from firsthand.
Okay.
I got it.
I got it in the holiday.
I think it was last year.
In the holiday, I got a text from USPS saying, Hey, we just need to confirm some information for your delivery.
I'm like, Oh, I'm getting a lot of stuff delivered.
So I clicked on it.
I confirmed it and I gave him my number and it
about 10 minutes later, my not sleepy morning brain kicked in and I do it.
What did I just do?
And I looked and I saw where the where the link came from and I I should have gotten three tickets driving to the bank because I sped to the bank to cancel that card because and
And that's my point over all these discussions, that you may think you're tech savvy, you may think you question everything, but there are moments where you just aren't thinking and you do something and you're in this situation.
So yeah, I think, Micah, that is a great, don't trust anything you get.
Always ask
questions.
Yeah, and it's like, especially, it's like, you know, just take time to pause before you do something.
So whether you're waking up, you're running around doing groceries, or you're at a party.
I've had users where they were in control.
Let's like, actually, this was user 20 million dollars.
They were at a party in Florida, accepted an air droppling and then boom, you know.
So it's like, if you can just take the time to pause and you can always come back to it later.
Wow.
Micah Diya is with a shadow, zero shadow, a leading crypto and Web three incident response firm.
It's been so interesting, Micah.
Thank you so very much for your time.
Of course, thank you.
Have a great day.
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And we're going to do kind of an audio sorbet grab bag today.
Oh boy.
Holiday weekend related.
Oh
boy.
Just because
A couple of things we didn't get around to.
We did have a show on Thursday.
We did.
And again, thank you everyone who called in, who texted in, who were a part of that, who sent us their recipes, Dietrich and Meg, Dietrich and
Meg
and Shasta.
Shasta, oh my good gravy.
We're coming to Eau Claire next year.
For Thanksgiving.
I will, I will chip in for the food.
I can't pay for all of it.
I'm not made of money, but man, I, Thanksgiving feast with those three, good gravy.
And the sous vide.
the subida preparation.
We got another email about that too, on Jane's says.
So some interesting things we're gonna research there.
But yes, how was your Thanksgiving weekend?
How did you manage with the snow?
Did you end up changing your plans?
If you got snowed in on Saturday, what did you do with your day?
You were supposed to go to Indiana.
And you were the bringer of the turkey.
Yeah, it was it was an interesting so I I'm always a little stressed out in the holidays Thanksgiving and Christmas those are the only holidays my family really do anymore and it's just a I Want to make sure everything's perfect and I want to make sure everyone's having a good time And I want to make sure that there's nobody going oh well and then dot dot dot a passive
aggressive complaint of how we are not good at what we do.
Point is, it's been the same for the past few years.
My mother-in-law is so gracious and allows us to use her house as kind of our, and it's- That's the gathering spot?
For my family, not even, this is, this is not an in-laws.
This is my family.
So my mom, her companion, my sister, her husband, the niece and nephew, me and my wife, and then my mother-in-law, we all gather at Thanksgiving at her house.
Cause again, I am,
Lucky blessed, whatever you want to say, to have a mother and a mother-in-law who are definitely close.
They're so close.
They love each other so much.
But we all gather there.
And there was a cry baby moment from yours truly over some poorly constructed chairs that needed to be put together, but that got solved and I got over myself.
And we bought again this year a turkey from a local farm, two creeks farm in Union Grove.
If you can't get to Union Grove, buy yourself a local turkey.
That's your thing.
Or if it's a chicken or a ham, go local.
There's many reasons.
One, you are supporting local business.
You are supporting our farmers.
And also, I'm sorry, it's just better.
And this year, Jane, oh
my
God.
Was
it the
best
turkey on the entire history
of Turkey?
There was almost a big problem because the turkey
got done quick.
Well, let's go back now because you were
supposed to
go to Indiana and you were the bringer of the Turkey and you did
not go to Indiana.
Well, the Indiana trip happens on that Friday.
So we always do Thursday at my mother-in-law's house.
And then Friday we pack up the car, we go to Indiana South Bend where Bridget's family is a lot from the Indiana area and just kind of spend like two, three days there catching up with folks and friends, people who are flying in from all over the world to spend time with family and
Thanksgiving's over.
I'll get back to the turkey in a moment, but Thanksgiving's over.
It's the next day.
We know a storm's coming here in Wisconsin.
And then all of a sudden Bridget's cousin who is in Ireland says, Oh, there's a huge storm morning in Indiana.
And it's like, Oh, well, so what?
I want to go.
I don't want to be here.
I want to go, I want to get out of town.
I don't take vacation much.
And
no,
you don't.
And it's also, I like hanging out with her family.
So long story short, too late.
we just decide not to go because the storm that's coming to Indiana is pretty much going to be the same storm.
We're getting here in Wisconsin and we decide to cut bait, stay home.
We had the dog in daycare for boarding for two nights.
So he pulled her out as well.
And we just went home.
And man, we were so angry on Saturday morning around like 11 o'clock, cause there was barely any snow at that point.
And we were very much like- We could have made it.
Yeah.
And then we found, well, one, it happened.
I mean, yesterday, I think in Kenosha, we got between nine to 11 inches.
And also in Indiana, they got walloped in those counties.
And there was a huge, huge accident on 94, going southbound to-
Indiana.
So overall it was just like two and a half days cuddling up in the house cozy and nice.
Get back to the turkey.
Well you started me up on Indiana.
But you were the bringer of the turkey and you didn't go to Indiana so you and Bridget ended up with this turkey.
But the turkey was made for Thanksgiving on Thursday.
Oh I thought you were taking it with you to
Indiana.
No, not at any point did I make that clear or a parent or anything.
No, we bought the turkey for Thanksgiving on Thursday.
Oh, I was confused.
So it wasn't just you and Bridget eating turkey for four days.
No, no, we had turkey on Thanksgiving night and then we had leftovers.
Okay.
And this turkey was so well prepared by my wife.
It was brined.
It was.
It was just given all the love and support and basted and sung to mm-hmm And we almost got to the point where it was like it cooked.
It was done before people showed up Fresh turkeys, I guess cook faster and interesting.
Yeah, I don't know and I'm sure the people on the live stream going.
Yeah, of course they do but Point is we got the turkey done.
We just told everyone.
Hey, we're gonna be eating a lot sooner than we expected and no one cared They're fine with that.
I mean nowadays Thanksgiving takes place at 1 p.m.
Sometimes but
It was the best turkey I've ever had in my life, Jane.
I'm still thinking about it.
It was the juiciest.
Really?
I mean, we've all had dry turkey, and that's the big fear.
No amount of gravy is going to save this rock of a bird.
And I enjoyed not only just great turkey on the day, the leftovers were just as good.
And just as moist.
Yes!
I'm fine with that word.
Boy, Bridget did something special to that bird then.
She's a little annoyed with me bringing up how good it was.
And I'm just trying to keep praise upon her.
I'm like, that turkey, I'm still thinking about it.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
It's an audio survey grab bag today.
Just want to know how your holiday weekend went.
What did you do when you were snowed in?
On Saturday, I baked.
Roger from Stevens Point texting in.
I just want to send out kudos to CeCe Winans for her beautiful singing of the Star Spangled Banner before the Packers Lions game
on
Thursday.
The Packers victory, that is.
Packers win.
I was very surprised by that one, because the Lyons have been hot.
Lyons have been hot.
So you said you baked on Thursday?
I baked on Saturday.
On Saturday.
Yes.
So what did you do on Thursday?
Like just hung out?
On Thursday, got home.
Well, we had to go to the grocery store.
Because you needed two eggs.
Because I needed two eggs.
Because
you
didn't
text me and say, Greg, can you bring me some
eggs?
Went to the grocery store, went home.
I made a, we're not big turkey.
Eaters yeah, turkey fans, and it was just the two of us.
Yeah, so I made a quiche Mushroom bacon in Swiss.
Oh It was pretty tasty.
That sounds amazing and then Saturday after I did hit the library in the morning I love our local library Which library is yours while we toast a nice while we toast a public library.
It's fabulous Hit the library and then I thought well, I'm just like
Not going to be going anywhere today because it's going to be snowing all day.
So I made cookies and bars.
Oh, so I made some cocoa and pecan.
Cocoa and pecan.
Balls, I'll call them.
And I added frosting, even though it didn't call for it because I didn't think they were sweet enough.
And then pecan at cream cheese bars.
Those turned out pretty.
I'm sorry.
Let's say that again.
Pecan.
Cream cheese bars.
Oh, I
love cream cheese frosting.
They're pretty fabulous.
Cream cheese frosting should be illegal in some states because it's so tasty.
I think it should be on everything.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
That sounds awesome.
And yeah, we were happy at the end, you know, like on Sunday, we're like, you know what?
We missed the family, but we also probably missed.
Well, it's
the
hours.
It's the hours of trying to fight your way home Yeah, and I was relieved that you guys didn't go because I was worried about you because I'm the extra mother you never asked for You're welcome.
Thank
you.
Sure.
Calvin, how was your Thanksgiving?
Did you guys do anything crazy?
Yeah, no, it was a pretty basic and boring Thanksgiving
Not born.
It was good.
Our turkey turned out a little dry, but I will take responsibility for that.
Did you cook the turkey?
I didn't cook the turkey.
I helped season it and I put it in the oven.
Then my mom was in the hot tub with my sister.
It's not as fancy as it sounds, but so I basted it around 345 and it probably needed to be pulled then, but
It stayed in for another half hour, 45 minutes.
It didn't ruin it.
It was edible.
It was just a little on the dry side.
Okay.
Did you only baste it once?
No, they were basting it earlier.
I was doing it the final baste.
The final basting.
And it probably should have been pulled then.
But then my mom made a turkey pot pie yesterday for dinner with the leftovers.
And my mom, I will say, is a decent cook.
She's not overly adventurous.
but she knocked this one out of the park.
It was really good.
A pot pie done correctly is one of the most wonderful comfort foods.
I have not had a pot pie since I was a little kid.
You might be overdue.
I might be overdue.
Can I tell a really quick, fun story?
Yes.
So we ordered a lot of our stuff from Festival Foods in Kenosha.
We ordered the stuffing, the mashed potatoes and the mac and cheese.
We ordered it like a month ago on their pre-order thing.
And we got there, I got there and they were like, we can't find your order.
I'm like, okay.
And they said, it's no problem.
We can get everything put together.
They looked for a long time.
And they said, we're sorry.
We don't have it.
Can you.
We can push together.
It's not about a problem.
We have everything here.
I said, yeah, no problem.
And at one point, the lady, as she's preparing, she goes, can I just say thank you for your patience and not yelling at me?
A lot of people have yelled at me today.
I'm like,
no problem.
Thank you for not yelling.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That's where we're at.
Thank you.
All right, when we return, we're going to wrap up the show with this shouldn't be a thing.
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I know it just makes me happy.
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That
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If you ever find a thing you think this should not be, send it in to Greg and me at janesaysatcivicmedia.us J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S.
Jane says atcivicmedia.us.
Calvin found this from CNN.
Catherine Nichols, the lucky one with the byline.
The headline reads, more than $100,000 worth of escargot stolen from French snail farmer.
More than $100,000 worth of escargot.
Stolen from French snail farmer, leaving the supplier scrambling to replenish the snails in time for the holiday season.
This is not really the post we thought we would write, approaching the holidays, l'escargot de Grand Cruz wrote in a post on Facebook on Tuesday,
We were victims of a burglary.
Our stock of fresh and frozen snails were stolen.
The family business breeds about 350,000 snails a year.
My
goodness.
Preparing them with the greatest care.
The snail theft is a shock, incomprehensible, and a real blow for all the team, the farm based in Boussé in northeastern France.
said that thieves entered the farm undetected, broke into the buildings, housing the snails.
Not like they had to chase him out.
The fence surrounding the property had been cut.
Once inside, the thieves found jars, shelves rather full of snails.
In jars, fresh, frozen, some of the stock taken was not ready for consumption.
The shells had not been cleaned.
The butter
had not been made, you cannot consume it directly.
So if you're one of those guys who helped yourself, don't just be popping them in your mouth.
Well, we know who stole them if they do that.
All of a sudden, people dropping dead from bad snails.
From bad snails.
Like maybe they're part of it.
Jane, give me a one sentence overview of this story really quick.
I just want to do something for you.
What happened?
What happened?
Escargo supplier has his snail stolen.
There we go.
You've been waiting for that.
I have been waiting for that.
Other snail farmers fortunately have stepped in to help sell some of their stock at reduced prices.
I've never had escargo that wouldn't be my go-to.
Your escargo too?
That wouldn't be it either.
But hopefully they'll recover.
I've never had escargo and I've only had
Have I had, I've had oysters once.
Is there a difference between oysters and clams and mussels?
Sorry.
I think they're very slight
differences.
They're all mollusks.
Clams, oysters, mussels, snails.
It has never been on my top list to like try it.
And people, I know people who love it.
They're like, you got to try it.
Like actually I don't, I do not have to.
Like here's the thing is, here's like, here's me not trying it.
The world's still going.
And as I always say,
More for you.
There you go that wraps up today's
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