Everything Seems Discombobulated (Hour 1)

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Thanksgiving is going to be here.

just a couple weeks.

And then it's going to be Christmas and then

it's going to be then this time next year we're going to be like.

Thanksgiving's

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So it's Friday, so Dan Schaefer will be here, Civic Media's political editor and the creator of the multi award-winning Recombobulation Area.

You know, on the Recombobulation Area right now, Jane, you can find a wonderful story written by our very own Dan Schaefer, where he talks to our very own Jane Mattenare about your illustrious 40.

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Well, I

had a great subject with which to have a conversation.

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stop.

Stop.

Yeah, compliments.

So Dan's going to be here to recompobulate many, many things.

We're going to talk about sports betting, the proposal now, which is what could go wrong.

The raid in Chicago, we mentioned this very

briefly

yesterday.

They used a Blackhawk helicopter in Chicago to rappel down and bash in people's doors.

And there have been no charges after that.

It was full of Trentig-Graduagua gang members, Greg.

Yeah, some of them as young as three years old.

Yeah.

And no charges have been filed about that.

None.

None.

We're also going to talk about the new hemp laws that we discussed yesterday with Aaron Kelly from Kelly Screens in Wauwatosa.

Yeah, if you use CBD products gummies Cupcakes all that stuff Celsius like I do Yeah, they have a year

Well, it hasn't been signed yet in my opinion if I'm saying correct.

It is not done as of this moment if I'm correct

I don't believe he assigned it yet, but will he?

Well, that's true.

Yeah, that's true.

And they will

have a year.

And now there is a measure from a Hubertus lawmaker, a lawmaker from Hubertus, I should say, to kind of codify the language on a statewide basis.

And it will put lots of people out of business, lose jobs, and people who rely upon this.

We'll have to go to other states.

So we'll talk more about this.

Let's go back to pharmaceuticals.

Yeah.

So

well, yeah.

What's wrong with Percocet, baby?

For

Audio Sorbet today, after the 1030 news, where we get away from the news and talk about other things.

Yes, I'd love to do that.

Today for Sorbet, we're going to talk about bye-bye,

Penny.

I guess a nickel for your thought.

All the prices are going up.

Groceries, gas, my thought prices are going

up.

It

used to be two cents.

Now

I gotta pay five

to get pushed off.

Now it's a nickel for your thoughts.

Thanks, Biden.

No more pennies.

They're not making pennies anymore.

And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do.

With this shouldn't be a thing today.

It's this buds for you.

Yeah.

Addition.

If you like.

That's all coming up.

a little bit later on.

Wanted to start off with this news this morning from Wisconsin Public Radio.

The headline Joe Schultz with the byline our hearts ache.

Oshkosh defense to lay off 160 workers.

Local UAW president says the Oshkosh corporation must stop forgetting about your workers here at home.

This was just announced.

They will lay off about 160 workers early next year.

They say the lay officer responds to over staffing in certain production areas.

But this is part of a larger thing that I think a lot of economists are keeping an eye on, are job losses.

And from Forbes magazine, job losses mounted in October as employers struggled and Wall Street projects grim job market.

Yeah, we've lost already a million jobs this this year.

Yeah,

this year

and Look, I understand free markets and I understand business is business I understand that things need to be done But really, you know, this is a company.

This is an Oshkosh like this is a

Big company that employed a lot of people and they did defense contracts they had big business with the government and Call me naive or whatever you want to call me and people have called me worse or better But where was senator Ron Johnson?

Defending all these yeah, we're looking out for this

company defending this jobs defending defending a US military partner Where was he?

Maria Bartiromo

show he's got priorities Greg

I did not, not hear the first line where it says because of overstaffing.

And I get that, but 160 jobs is a lot.

And I just want to know personally, like where are our leaders here in the state?

I mean, I'm not gonna, honestly, I'd say, I'd say Tammy Baldwin, but Tammy Baldwin is always working for everybody all the time.

She's probably making a phone call right now, trying to get someone funding or a job, but it just,

It's getting very dark here for people who are needing to find jobs or the the the jobs report from last month was not good.

It was one of the worst The revised job numbers are always looking terrible and we have an administration and people who support this administration people are lawmakers in Madison who say it's great.

We're fine Things have never been better prices are down you guys.

Yeah, everything's down

and on top of that and we just mentioned it before and we'll talk about further with Dan

You know, if we if we make hemp completely illegal, that's another just bunch of businesses and jobs that are gone We have those outlets all over the state how over the state and and we're going to hand that money over to Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa But so yeah, it's just really frustrating and and That also brings up the topic that you wanted to talk about which is

Okay, what about people who want to come here and find jobs?

That's just as tough.

Yeah.

Well, again, as we are dealing with about a million job losses already this year, President Trump had a sit down a one-on-one with one of his favorite people, Laura Ingram from Fox.

Oh, yeah, I've heard about her.

They were talking about the HB1 visa program.

Now, if you remember, of course, Donald Trump's whole platform is America First, America for Americans.

Good American jobs for Americans, except when it comes to people with talent, apparently.

Calvin, let's play this clip, please, from Donald Trump talking to Laura Ingram about the HB1 visa program.

Does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?

Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands

or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

I agree, but you also do have to bring in talent.

Well, we have plenty of talented people here.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

We don't have talented people here.

No, you don't have certain talents, and people have to learn.

OK, so.

Really quick.

I just want to, because the H1B visa is set a lot.

And I think there's some, you know,

some confusion on what that is.

Yeah.

And I wanted to just read the actual definition.

It's a temporary work visa for U S employers to hire foreign professionals and specialized occupations, which require a bachelor's degree or higher.

These, these are not the, these are specialized workers.

They are sought after, or maybe they're bringing someone in from like, like the, you know,

the London office or the Dubai office into America.

These are specialized visas made for that.

And at the time, before the Trump administration took over again, they weren't easy to get, but they were easier to get because it was sought as bringing people in to do good work here in the country to do great.

To

fill in gaps.

To fill in

gaps.

To fill in gaps.

Add to

the economy, all the things that make an America great again.

But now they're making it even harder, but the president doesn't think we have talent here.

thought we were the

best.

Kevin Lin, the executive director for the Institute for Sound Public Policy, says the number of foreign experts who come here to train U.S.

workers is small.

They usually arrive on L1 or B1 visas, which can also be misused for cheap labor, like we saw with Hyundai and Infos.

The H1B, mainly an outsourcing and American worker displacement visa,

used for white collar jobs.

Trump keeps missing this distinction.

Again, this from Kevin Lynn, the founder of US Tech Workers.

He says, this is bad messaging on an issue that is highly sensitive with his base and US workers facing a weak job market in those sectors.

Yeah, MAGA is very angry about this.

Well, they also changed it that there's $100,000 fee.

to get the H1B visa.

Well, there are some exceptions, though.

How so, Jane?

I believe if you made a donation to Donald Trump in some way, shape, or form, you might get an exception for your business.

Oh, you can also get

exempt.

I'm guessing.

I've also heard if you make donations to the MAGA party, you get exemptions from tariffs.

It comes with all sorts of perks when you give to the Trump administration

director.

You can fund our military.

You can get pardons.

You can get moved to a special prison.

Yeah, there's all kinds of perks if you make donations.

It's really just a matter now of we're ending the first year of this second term for Donald Trump.

And I ask...

his supporters who may be listening to us right now.

Do you need to text it?

Call 855-752-4842 or 855-756.

Text it in, leave a voice note.

Tell us how any of these things we've been talking about for the past year are, have tangible, tangible.

certifiable results of the good, whether it's, you know, he loves to talk about lots of money from tariffs.

He's gonna fund a lot of things from the tariff money, by the way, whether it's the farmers or it's a $2,000 tax credit or money for health insurance.

But don't forget, we're gonna reverse some of those tariffs to help bring grocery prices down on things we don't grow here.

So apparently consumers do pay tariffs.

Yeah, and I feel like...

I don't say this often.

Uh, I feel bad for Scott percent.

Cause I feel like he's the official sword fall upon her on that one.

Cause he's the one who's been talking about that point specifically and been hidden hit by the major media market saying, so it is a tax on us on consumers.

Yeah.

So it's, this is not creating a better country.

And if,

You believe that this one to two years of pain is something necessary, two years of pain.

That's what Elon Musk said.

What is going to be the outcome?

What is going to make this country?

Like, what are we going to look like by 2028?

By the time we should have another election, maybe, for president.

I just, I mean, reading all these stories, and then we have these leaders in Washington saying, well, everything is

great.

Everything is great.

Everything is great.

And if it's not, it's Biden's fault.

Yeah.

But everything under Trump is great.

Perfect

actually.

I just truly don't know where we're going to be at this time next year.

And I don't want to be a donor.

And if I'm sounding like a donor, I apologize.

My vote.wi.gov.

You want to talk to your representatives.

You can call the president.

You can call the White House if you'd like.

They'll pick up their gold phone.

Ask them questions.

Tell them how you're feeling.

Tell them if they're doing a good job, a bad job.

But honestly, ask them.

why these policies are going to make us better.

And how have they made us better so far?

And demand, and if you get an answer, if you get some of it.

Ooh, let us

know.

Demand proof.

I want data.

I want a story that says, hey, this thing created this thing because of Donald Trump.

And if that's the case, cool beans.

We'll celebrate

that.

I'm on board.

I want us to win.

We would love to be able to celebrate some things.

Yeah.

When we return, DEI is bad.

Terrible.

Except.

Except why?

Except.

You'll have to find out.

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On Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter coming up after the 930 News, Civic Media's political editor-creator of the Recombobulation Area, Dan Schaffer is going to join us to kick around many, many things.

including the little hemp legislation.

They got snuck into the bill to reopen the government.

I still don't understand why people don't have to claim when they wrote those things

and

slipped them in like our Ron Johnson being able to sue for 500,000.

But anyway, I'm getting sidetracked.

We were also told it was a clean CR.

Yeah, not so much.

But yes, Dan Schaffer will be joining us very, very shortly.

Stick around for that.

DEI is bad.

D-I-D-E-I Jane is terrible.

It's terrible.

It's awful.

No one should get any special breaks.

Yeah, because of their sex or their gender or a disability or

anything.

Or their color or their

skin.

No special breaks for anybody except.

Yeah.

Well, when you belong to the president's family.

Yeah, when you come from that gene pool, which... Then there's all kinds of exceptions.

Jane?

We're calling them opportunities.

Oh, it's enough.

It was an opportunity.

It's an opportunity.

Donald Trump's granddaughter, Kai Trump.

God, that's a name.

Don Jr.'

's, one of Don Jr.'

's kids.

This is from the Daily Beast.

Lee Kimmons has the byline.

Kai Trump bombs into last place in Nightmare Pro Gulf debut.

The president's granddaughter got into the tournament on a sponsor's invitation.

Kai Trump is a senior in high school.

Reportedly a relatively accomplished golfer or not, but and I don't golf and I don't live in that world It's my understanding though for tournaments.

You're invited and you have to be have a certain caliber In order to compete in some of these tournaments.

Yeah, you have to be ranked.

You have to be you know

Yeah, Kai Trump isn't even ranked in the top 450 juniors in the country Not in the top 450 not

Not she's 19.

She's 18.

She's 18 years old Yeah, I have to imagine that must have been a fun weekend for people to have to walk around and tell her how great she's doing because honestly, there are probably sponsors and or Higher ups from that tournament telling individuals You got to keep it cool.

You cannot speak poorly.

You cannot don't Don't throw a shade to anyone because it'll get bad.

I mean that is like that is the problem

This young lady, I don't know her from Adam, but I asked you the question before we went on the air.

Is there a single Trump who doesn't?

Who who excels who just excels on their own on their own of their own volition of their own merit on their own ability?

Are there any of them that actually do excel because it feels like every time we talk about a Trump in the Trump averse

It's always a grift.

It's always a handout.

This is DEI to the hilt.

Kai Trump did not earn her way into the tournament.

She was handed a sponsor exemption, a discretionary invitation that goes around competitive qualifying.

So yeah, she didn't have to qualify for it.

She didn't have to earn her way into it.

This one came courtesy of Gainbridge, the event's title sponsor.

and a financial services brand owned by Dan Doyle, who owns Pelican Gulf Club.

He is the one who put in the exemption saying, Kai Trump's social media reach will bring a lot of viewers to the event.

So she's going to bring us lots of attention.

So even though she's not qualified, we'll let her in.

And she's also the president's granddaughter.

You better let her in.

You better let her in because if you don't, honestly, that's how it works.

There will be punishment.

There will be retribution.

You will become the new story, even though all you're trying to do is golf and, hey, man, live your life.

My mom watches golf, loves Scotty Shuffler, but it's just a matter of they have, that's how this operates now.

We see colleges paying them off to leave them alone, news networks paying them off and or firing people to leave them alone, hiring people to invoke their practices to keep

They're Trump administration off their back, and those are all real examples.

Jimmy Kimmel, Columbia University, CBS, they've all capitulated.

People capitulate because if you don't, he whines, it becomes a 24-hour news story, and then that consumes the fact that we haven't released the Epstein files, they are normalizing the legacy of Jeffrey Epstein, and they are taking our money away and giving it to billionaires.

That's the problem.

Many, but, and by the way, really quick, Tom Tiffany tweeted out a couple, like a week ago about DEI and he said that we will get rid of race-based hirings.

And I just want to put this out here.

If you believe when you think DEI, the first thing you think of is race-based hiring, you don't know what DEI is.

And you also probably kind of racist because that's not what DEI is.

Well, again, it's DEI is bad, bad, bad, except, except when there's a Trump involved.

Then it's, you know, it's a special exemption.

It's a special exemption.

Yeah, it's it's.

Ronnie from Horeca and texting and listening on WAUK says, well, hey, Laura, Laura can sing.

Thank

you,

Ronnie, for wrapping that up with a laugh.

Oh my gosh, it's just it's there isn't.

I don't I don't know.

Maybe his niece Mary.

the dog the news Mary Mary she's not a grifter

no she actually earned it she went to college

and she

earned her degree and she's a psychologist isn't she

she is a very strong woman to be part of that but she's made

her own way

Again, let us know how it's not DEI.

Let us know how America is great again.

I really would like to know, I want a list of things and with details and data, tell us how we are better than we were one year ago today.

News is coming up next and when we return, we'll start reconvobulating with Dan Schaefer.

Civic Media's political editors stay with us.

You are listening to Matt Nair on air on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Good good morning and welcome welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach Calvinator on the board coming to you from our studio at Radio Park in Racine where you can join us call or text at 855-752-4842 You can also leave a comment if you're watching on a live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter He joins us every Friday.

He is the

Creator of the multi award-winning recombobulation area also civic media's political editor Dan Schaefer in studio with us.

Good morning.

I'm here.

I'm ready to recombobulate after a discombobulating week.

No doubt about it.

Oh my gosh, so much news so much news all the time.

There aren't there haven't been any non

discombobulating weeks.

Can we just have one chill week ever?

Wouldn't that be nice?

Where nothing happens?

Where nothing

happens?

Chill, man.

Yeah, just give

us a week to catch up and recombobulate

ourselves.

A week of audio sorbets.

Oh my gosh.

All audio sorbets, all the time.

That's not where we are.

Yeah, unfortunately not.

No.

We have a lot of stuff to cover, but let's start with the proposal now.

Jill Underly finally came out after this.

incredible reporting in the cap times about this very disturbing habit it seems of the Department of Public Instruction doing what they can to shield from the public at least the names of teachers who have been accused of grooming or potentially sexual assault.

So yeah, so there was this

As you said well reported investigative piece from the cap times that was a year in the making I believe there are multiple parts of this and all that but it is you know We've talked about this over the last few weeks on the show right

so

like when when it initially came up We talked about how this was a big deal when we needed to respond to this we followed that up when there was a

committee here, assembly committee hearing where Dr. Jill Underly, the head of the Department of Public Instruction was was invited to attend this meeting and speak and answer questions about what was in that reporting.

And she had a personal conflict and did not attend.

Prior

commitment.

We were very critical of that decision.

But she did eventually show up and she did eventually answer questions from the folks in the assembly She has proposed a series of kind of internal reforms at the Department of Public Instruction Creating some more transparency about these you know how the department Investigates investigates these cases of grooming or sexual misconduct or whatever it might be.

I think this is good not bad and it was starting to look like this situation that

you know good investigative reporting should lead to where people take it seriously in our government and hold a legislative hearing and people in charge of these agencies answer questions and recognize that things aren't maybe working as well as they should be and propose reforms and things were heading in the right direction and there was actually even a bill that was getting some bipartisan support going through the legislature to really make some definitions on what grooming is and how that can be a crime and give these things some teeth and give these

some teeth.

And so I think that kind of was unfolding in the way we would want it to, right?

I

just want to add something really quick in that timeline.

I would like to point out the absolute and deafening silence from the Democrats until we found out about the hearing.

Jill underly not being able to show up.

And then the reforms, but there was nothing coming out from anybody.

Tony Evers even did a shrug.

Like I hadn't heard about certain things.

Dude, I'm sorry.

You're

joining a league of lesser politicians when you say things like that.

And the Republicans made no waste of time.

jumping on all of it, including the lack of message, response or anything.

So that's a big, for me personally, that's a big part of this whole story is that the Democrats dead back and go, oh, if we say nothing, then nothing will happen.

Well, that's what got you in the, in the places here to begin with.

So it's just the head in the sand.

Bidenism that has infected the entire party, I think, in a lot of ways.

And I was frustrated seeing the governor's comment on that.

But again, you know, minor frustrations aside.

Things were progressing.

Things were

starting to progress in the right direction.

I would say until, I believe it was Monday, maybe Tuesday.

Yeah, Tuesday.

State representative and I apologize if I get the pronunciation of this name incorrect.

I will watch it people Varchek.

Okay.

There you go.

I had to learn that yesterday.

Okay, so he is a state representative in one of the reddest districts in the state in northern Waukesha County He is also the co-editor.

I believe of the conservative publication Wisconsin right now And he had a Facebook post up saying

And I'll just quote it directly here.

The Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction, which employs more than 600, is consistently proven to be a complete failure.

Here's my DPI plan.

One, pass the bill.

Authored by Representative Nedueski, criminalizing grooming.

Two, direct schools and school boards to request their local law enforcement investigate cases of sexual misconduct and grooming by teachers.

I believe that's already happening.

Three, turn over teacher licensing to the Department of Safety and Professional Services.

And four, and this is the real problem here, eliminate the Department of Public Instruction.

There

it is.

Well, that's been the goal.

He should have led with that the entire time.

Well, yes, because that ultimately

is the goal of the Republicans in my estimation, they want to kill public education as soon as possible.

I mean, we're seeing it with at the federal level, trying to get rid of the Department of Education and eliminating the Department of Public Instruction.

I think this really scuttles the whole thing.

because this makes it a hyper politicized version of what should just be an honest investigation.

And now, I think there was some liberal skepticism about this reporting, about the investigation of it, saying, oh, this is a sideshow, this is just a way to attack public education, which I kind of don't really agree with, because this was good reporting and whatever, but...

If Republicans are making the leap from, let's respond to this by setting some standards around grooming, investigating what's happening at the department, asking for changes.

If they are going to make the leap to eliminating the entire department, it is going to undercut the validity of that entire argument.

And I think this is what's happening here with this proposal from the state representative and co-editor of one of the more prominent conservative publications in the state.

I think Republicans should be furious with this representative because it is scuttling what is an honest thing.

And I think Republicans are seeing a way that they can have an edge, you know, on public education as an issue, going into the midterms, going into the governor's race and whatever.

I think Democrats should be jumping all over this.

I think Republicans should be furious with the state representative.

I think this undercuts Republicans entire argument that this is about grooming, that this is about the reporting from the cap times, because they're just putting it as a means to an end of what they were always wanting to do and attack public education.

And

kill public schools.

If you're just joining us right now on Matt and Aaron, we are talking to political editor for civic media and founder of the Recombobulation Area, Mr. Dan Shaffer, and we are discussing

the ongoing episode of the DPI and the story that came out of the cap times a few weeks ago, which uncovered, I hasten to call it, I hesitate to call it a scandal or a cover up just because I don't know what those titles mean in far as reporting goes, but the fact that

many, many hundreds of reports of grooming and possible sexual assault were kept from the public because there was no real plan on how to investigate these problems as we were seeing in the story.

And now Jim Pivivarchek, who is a, is a representative of I believe the 29th district, which is Hubertus.

Remember, learn this yesterday.

He wants to collapse the DPI and I think the thing for me is that you know, you're right those first few lines Yes, these are these are measured logical pushes forward to getting a better department of public instruction But that last one just magnetizes it

it allows

people from outside the state to latch on to say We're getting rid of the Department of Education here and in Wisconsin.

They're doing the same thing.

Thanks, sir We appreciate your work and

It's also one of those things where you say, get rid of it.

Okay.

Then what in its place?

Well, that's not for me to say, I just want to get rid of it.

Well, what's your plan?

I don't need a plan.

I just want to get, and the thing is, if you do the last, you really can't do the first ones anyways, because.

Well, there's no, there's

no reporting.

There's no reporting agency.

And as a side note, I just want to say this, and we, we touched on this earlier.

Fine.

You wanted to find grooming?

You want to protect our children?

I'm all for it.

I want our children to be protected.

Yeah.

We are living in a country right now where a man who is dead is being rechristened as a saint as not as bad because of what he did to children.

So Mr. And I said this yesterday about the hemp thing, which we'll get to, but Mr. Piva Piva Varchek, which you are, if you were listening, you're not.

But if you're listening, I hope you are this adamant about protecting our children about the Epstein files as you are about our school and possibly being groomed.

If you're not,

then these are false measures to me.

You

don't really care.

See, I think the fourth point is the saying the quiet part out loud.

That's all that it is.

This has been their goal for a very, very, very long time.

It's in project 2025, killing public education.

Why do you think we're funding two separate school systems right now with taxpayer money going to voucher schools?

This is paving the way this is setting the table to get rid of all public schools.

in my estimation.

And so he's taken legitimate and legitimate investigation, legitimate reforms, legitimate progress by partisan support for a bill making meaningful change that is going to help keep students safe, but he is using it as a Trojan horse to attack public education.

Absolutely.

And that

to me is preposterously absurd.

And I think Republicans should be furious with him.

I think Democrats should be talking about this all the time.

And I think that, you know, and I've even seen, like, I got into it with Wisconsin right now a little bit on Twitter this week.

You?

Me?

Never.

Arguing with Republicans on social media.

Me?

Never.

Never

have.

But got a little bit in the back and forth with this.

But, and there were a couple of people saying, yeah, we should eliminate the Department of Public Instruction.

You make that your platform for next year.

Democrats are winning a trifecta.

Why do you think though I think Republicans aren't furious about this because they agree with this?

Well, and

that's that I think that is the tell I

think

the fact that they are not coming out and saying this

is out

of here We don't want to do this is that is telling to me that they are not opposed to this that they are they would be on board with this types of attacks to public education because we were not born yesterday.

Yeah, I also think though that

even if they do disagree with it, they're not in a place now where they can disagree out loud or it cost them, it cost them credibility, cost them committees, it cost them possibly their job too.

Ms.

RT on the live stream says, of course, the Republicans want to add public education.

It's always been their goal and public education and have only private religious schools paid by taxpayers.

Absolutely.

But they don't want their kids indoctrinated by public schools because that would be bad.

That would be bad.

Yeah, I think you make a really good point, Dan.

I think, again, we're not hearing Republicans freaking out about this because they agree.

Exactly.

This is what they want to happen.

Yeah.

And I had one person in my reply, who's a Republican, who I go back and forth with from time to time saying, like, yo, you can't just say one crazy proposal as representative of the entire Republican Party.

Is that what Republicans do on every issue with Democrats?

Like find one weird crazy thing and then make that the symbol of the whole

party.

Of course.

And this

is not just like a, you know, one guy, it's the editor of like a publication.

They are constantly quoting and everything else.

Like, you know, the person equated it to like Ryan Clancy, who's a part of the Democratic Socialist Caucus is like, well, you don't say, you know, whatever Clancy proposes is.

indicative of the whole Democratic Party, they do that all the time.

Constantly.

I think that if you say something out loud and no one disagrees, then we have every right to say, well, then you all must agree because no one has disagreed with this point.

So it is part of your plan.

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Dan Schaefer is here to talk all things going.

going on in Wisconsin and beyond.

Let's talk about sports betting.

Sports betting.

I am not.

I'm too cheap.

I don't gamble.

I worked too hard for my money to see some notice.

He had go away that quickly.

You're not headed straight to Potawatomi after the show today.

I am not.

In fact, one of the last few times I was in Vegas, there's that scene in Ghost where Whippy Goldberg is handing over the check to the nuns for $2 million and she doesn't want to give it to the nun.

That's how I felt when the guy was taking my money and shoving it down the table.

It's like, I want my $50 book.

But there are lots of people who love to gamble.

People like gambling.

They love gambling.

It's everywhere now.

Yeah.

And I'm a big sports fan and I'll play like fantasy sports and stuff like that.

But I'm not really a gambler when it comes

to- Well, I mean, they're betting on

everything.

Yeah.

There's so many, like, okay.

So this explosion of just like the online sports betting with like draft Kings and Fan Duel and like all of these different ways that you can wager on every last thing that's happening, like the way

that, you

know, pro sports have embraced it.

And, you know, there are scandals in the NBA

and

Major League Baseball and all of that.

And so like what's happening now in the Wisconsin state legislature, the reason we're talking about this is there is a bill with bipartisan support that is

moving very quickly through the Wisconsin state legislature that would essentially legalize a version of sports betting and online sports betting in Wisconsin.

So we can debate that on its merits, but like the...

Proposal is based off something in Florida They like Wisconsin have a number of you know to kind of like tribal casinos

or

whatever it is, right?

And so like the model is called the hub and spoke model So the hub being the tribal casino that would host like the data servers and like the actual websites and whatever else to Have these kinds of sports betting and then the spokes of this per se being each in person's individual

phone

or

device or whatever it might be to make these various wagers.

So it is something that Florida adopted, I believe, within the last couple of years here.

And they're taking essentially the same model to bring it to Wisconsin.

And so I saw yesterday that the conservative law firm Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty put something out saying that this was unconstitutional and we're against it.

I'm taking that with the entire salt shaker, as I do

with everything that Wisconsin is to do in law and

liberty.

But at the same time, this is moving very quickly, and I do wonder if people think this is ultimately the right decision for Wisconsin.

855-752-4842.

Do you do sports betting?

Should we have more of it?

How much money have you lost?

Oh, I'm sorry, that's just my question.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

The question I have, though, I feel like betting in this country is the worst kept secret because if I live in Wisconsin right now, which I do, I can start betting on things right now, correct?

I can open up my phone and go on a fan duel or...

You cannot.

Oh, I cannot?

Yeah.

See, I didn't know that.

So...

I

can go, okay, go on.

Here's an example.

So like I said, I play fantasy sports.

So like if I'm opening up my fantasy app to set my lineup for the day and I'm

in

Wisconsin,

it

has, you know, all the normal things.

If I go to Illinois, it shows up all the different bets I can make on

all

these individual players within that same app and stuff like that.

And that's, we don't have that in Wisconsin.

My second question then would be, is that if this goes through and it becomes legal as a wheel or the wheel and spoke hub and spoke.

Sounds like a bar I'll never go to.

What are the tax ramifications?

Any sort of incentive for Wisconsin as a state?

What do we get based on this

law?

What do we get out of it?

What do we get out of it?

I

mean, we're not going to legalize weed anytime soon.

So where's our quid pro

quo?

What do we get?

Yeah, I think it is.

I think there is some way that this will generate some sort of revenue for tax revenue for the state of Wisconsin.

You know, I think it recognizes that there are hundreds of million that

The bipartisan mix of legislators who are putting this forward, and I'm quoting from the Wisconsin Examiner piece here, say that hundreds of millions of dollars in unregulated online sports bets are already being made in Wisconsin so that legalizing the practice will kill the black market while providing tax revenue and certain consumer protections.

So we can do this with gambling, but not with weed Just so I understand that Gambling is bad.

There are people who do bad things with gambling.

This has bad ramifications for some people But because it's gonna go on anyway, we should legalize it.

Is that am I following that logic correctly?

You're, you're following

the logic, correct?

Are you listening, Mr. Piva var check?

Slowly argument.

You've been using lately regarding weed, but

Sue from Franklin texting in.

Yeah.

Uh, they'll never tell you how much they lose only how much they win.

Yeah.

I just don't understand why at this point, I mean, ESPN has their own gambling site.

Everything's sponsored by draft Kings and, and.

fan duel, just make it legal.

It's already legal in the wink nod sense.

Just make it legal.

Why not?

Well, and Governor Evers took steps a few years ago to basically, you can play, you can bet on sports, but you have to be physically at the casino.

So like if I go to

Potawatomi, so if I

leave the show today and drive to Potawatomi, I can place a bet on the Packers for the weekend.

and then go back

to pot a

lot.

I mean, they collect when the Packers blow it, but...

Dan, I heard they would have a really good chance of winning this weekend.

They don't.

They don't.

They tied the Cowboys.

Yeah, again, when you're creating all of these loopholes or these little like, you know... Workarounds.

Workarounds, then...

Is it to make yourself feel better?

Well, he's not gambling at home, guys.

He had to go to the casino to do it.

So we're good there.

This is just ridiculous.

I guess bookies are celebrating all over the place.

I'm not sure who gets the big win out of this.

The companies, the corporations, news.

I'm so shocked.

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Right before we went to the top of the hour news, we were talking about a new measure being with it as bipartisan support in Wisconsin for more sports betting.

Sports betting.

More sports betting.

Is this good?

Online

sports betting, making those bets on your phone.

On your phone.

As if

we weren't stressed out enough about the Packers.

We have to add.

Look at that now.

And it just amazes me.

Again, the amount of things that you can bet on.

Yeah.

Some of these hyper specific things.

That would never cross, even

cross my mind.

Yeah.

Well, the, one of the things they're like in the NBA that this one player got knocked on for, he got kicked out of the league now for permanently this guy, John

T. Porter.

He was like a kind of the end of the bench guy, but like it was a situation where he was betting on himself and it was like a.

This is how hyper specific these things are.

It was like an over under on how many rebounds he would have in a game.

And it was like 1.5.

And he was like, well, I'm going to take myself out of the game.

So I don't have any rebounds.

And then people bet the under on it.

And then he got a federal.

We have a couple of texts.

It's just so complicated.

I would be exhausted trying to watch something and keep track of that stuff.

Chris from Blue River texting in sports betting.

I do not.

I am deeply concerned with the explosion in sports betting across our country.

Have we learned nothing from the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal?

Are we not seeing the same thing come to fruition now in the NBA and Major League Baseball?

It's only a matter of time before this gets even more problematic across all leagues.

And the same thing is going to be happening with the addition of NIL in the college rank.

This has feces smeared all over it.

There is no way to polish this dirt.

And Travis colorful description Travis from Greenfield listening on WAUK.

I don't agree with gambling I think it's ruining the impartiality that sports is supposed to bring I Question why it's okay to go somewhere to gamble as opposed to doing it

at home, in my opinion, if I have to leave my comfort zone to do it, I'm less likely to do it.

Yeah, this is just

making

it easier.

That's the argument that I do think is interesting, because I think, you know, pulling this stuff out of the shadows, and you know, it's like the marijuana debate.

Like it's happening, you can go to Illinois and...

and

buy what you want.

And you can buy some

weed

and play some sports bets and come back to Wisconsin and then, I don't know, whatever.

So it is that argument too.

So I see that piece of it, but I do wonder if making people go in person to make these bets and it's just like, if you really want to do it, you

can go

do it.

There are places to go do it.

Personal

freedom.

that you can't just sit on your phone watching the game and just like pick up.

Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to bet on the Packers today or whatever.

Maybe there should be that extra step, but at the same time, it's just so prevalent everywhere.

And I think it is better to be doing this.

in a place where there is, I would just like tax the bejesus out of it and just bring in as much revenue from these types of things.

They used to call these sin taxes,

right?

When they would

tax like cigarettes and alcohol and whatever else, do the same thing with sports gambling.

If we're going to do it, have very high taxes on it.

If you're going to do it online and then if you don't want the high taxes on it, go do it in person.

I think that would be fine.

enough for me.

Well, that would be something.

Calvin, I'm curious because I think for your generation in particular, I think a lot of younger men are doing a lot of sports betting.

What do you hear among your friends?

Is this a big thing?

It's not a big thing, but I think I have uniquely cheap friends in that regard.

So they don't want to spend their money on gambling.

Yeah, really, that's what it comes down to.

I mean, we've all played a little at times of times because like it's complicated.

Like Dan said, you can't full on sports bed in Wisconsin, but you can do like player prop type things.

I've won some money doing it, but you got to really be paying attention and like it's not as much fun as it sounds.

It sounds like a lot of work.

It also just sounds really does.

It just sounds stressful to me.

The the the bedding thing just makes me like.

anxious because like there are people out there who can do the research, who can get down in the, in the, in the spreadsheets and look at all the stats and do the best they can to make.

I don't do any of that.

When I, there's a reason why I don't play poker.

I just hands you 20 bucks and they get, there you go.

Have fun.

And, and the, the fantasy side of it too, it just seems absolutely overwhelming.

It's just all, betting for me is just a no, I just do not do it and I'm baffled by those who do.

And to me though, what you're saying Dan though is like, it's happening.

Just make it legal then and tax it and make some money.

But let's stop pretending it doesn't exist or that it's so bad but not bad enough.

Well, and this

leads.

to the hemp legislation because that same Republican lawmaker who is all apparently about this expanding gambling.

I forget who exactly is behind the

gambling stuff, but yeah.

From yesterday.

Jim Peevepo, he's part of the gambling thing too.

I didn't realize that.

Oh, I thought what you

just mentioned him.

He was the DPI guy.

He did

DPI and weed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gambling with somebody else.

The hemp legislation.

Yeah.

They snuck this in on the federal level.

They sure did.

In order to reopen the government.

They sure did.

And there are also efforts now on the state level.

Yeah, so there was kind of this, it's very confusing.

And I'm still discombobulated about this.

So if I get something wrong here, forgive me.

But there was this effort to create some sort of regulation around the, you know,

cannabis related industry

in

Wisconsin, CBD, Delta, whatever, to have some sort of regulation on it.

Because Wisconsin had nothing.

We've

had nothing with there's no, you know, obviously we don't have recreational or even medicinal legal marijuana in Wisconsin.

And so they were going to have something governing this.

And I think it was like,

They were talking about it like regulating it like alcohol and this like tiered system and whatever.

And this was like progressing through the state legislature, but then the federal thing comes through and I think makes all of the work that was happening in the

state

legislature irrelevant at best I can understand because if I'm reading what is in that bill.

at the federal level correctly, it is going to ban all of these products by the end of next year.

And so that all of, and I think I saw a link in Wisconsin today that it was like a seven, it's become a $700 million industry

in the

state.

Like these shops are everywhere.

People generally seem to be good with it.

Like, I don't know.

But at the same time, again, I think, you know, bringing this stuff, like having an actual regulated.

practice behind it, taxing it, putting that towards something, whatever.

Like Colorado has had like legal weed for a long time.

They're putting billions of dollars into their school system through it.

And so we should have that type of practice.

These things should be legal and it's so shady.

And it makes people so distrusting in government when these types of things happen, when they just sneak this in at

the

11th hour.

And I think there was reporting suggesting that the alcohol lobby threw a ton of money at this to try to

to get this into the bill.

Mitch McConnell was the recipient of that in a lot of ways,

I believe.

I know.

You

can always make money on the way out the door.

And like you even had a number, like this was a standalone, I think, amendment to the initial bill.

You had a lot of Democrats voting to get rid of this too.

Like Tammy Baldwin wasn't one of them, thankfully, but like you had a lot of Democratic senators voting for that amendment.

to ban it.

But did they know that was in there?

They did

by the time that

they voted on it.

They read it.

They knew that was in there.

I mean, we can't presume everything there.

I think they should be required to do a report that they actually read the legislation.

I want your cliff notes after you read the 900 page

bill.

Yeah.

And to his credit, Rand Paul, uh, Senator

from Kentucky

was sounding the alarm on this from the very beginning.

Yes.

Uh, because he is, you know, very much more a libertarian type of, uh, Republican

and

saying that like we just don't need government involved with this.

This is an actual industry.

Uh, let's just get, get government out of the way and, and let people the freedom to buy and sell what they, what they choose.

Well, and as you said, that these outlets are all over the state.

Yeah.

Employing, I would imagine hundreds of people.

at this point, and that lawmaker that came up yesterday when we were talking to Aaron Kelly, who owns Kelly's Greens in Wauwatosa, that sells selsers and cupcakes and all those things.

I always see him at farmer's markets.

He's all against this.

It's bad, it's bad, it's bad.

And then he blamed the business owners for taking advantage of this.

They

took a gamble on what

was going

on.

And now it's well too bad, so sad.

Yep, yeah.

That's essentially what he said.

But he's also using children as the reason why we need to...

It's protecting the kids.

Protecting our children.

Because there's root beer flavored CBD.

Well, if it's a reputable organization with a license to practice their business, they are not going to allow people under 21 in to sell or to even be a part of it.

If I'm mistaken, you can't even be under 21 and get in.

But these, it's like owning a bar.

You have something on the line if you serve someone under age and to do that makes no sense So just the idea that they're like a 12 year old walk into a gas station buying some cigarettes That's not what's happening here.

These are these places have cameras.

They have licenses They care about their business and the reputation so using kids as this like we got to protect kids That's not what we're talking about

right

now

And then again if you are so concerned about our children that I'm assuming that you're putting all kinds of pressure on our legislative

Republicans who are in Washington to vote for the release of the Epstein files and to look at more seriously some gum safety measures.

If we're really, really worried about this safety, protecting our children that we hear all the time, then let's see some of that.

Yeah, well, make a good faith argument.

for once Republicans.

There's a first time for everything.

They make so many bad faith arguments on so many of these different things.

It's just preposterous and it's so frustrating because it just gets in the way of progress.

It just gets us into these circular arguments

that we're

having on this.

Just get the government out of the way of this.

We're surrounded by every other state that has legal marijuana.

We're surrounded by these other states that have online sports betting, whatever it is.

If we're gonna do it regulate it and and get the tax revenue and make it so that it's not happening in the dark But just leave people alone

about the free market.

Yeah, what happened to the free market?

There's a there's a there's a buyer for this

Therefore, we should trade it.

But their argument would be, well, the free market would say, if it becomes illegal, you took the chance on doing that.

Therefore, now that you're out of business, that's your doing.

Because they can work their way around against any argument.

But honestly, when they go back, going back to the whole kids thing is the flimsiest.

It sounds like someone in the 1950s, like, oh, what about the kids?

What about the kids?

We have far more things for kids to be worried about with kids than weed.

It's, there's a whole list of things.

And by the way, we talked about this yesterday.

When you pull Americans, when you pull Wisconsinites, a lot of us agree that marijuana should be legal.

If you pull Wisconsinites on this topic, it will be overwhelmingly in favor of keeping them open.

I believe it's 70 30 for legalizing recreational marijuana somewhere around there.

And then for medical marijuana, it's like an 85% support issue in Wisconsin.

I would imagine like the CBD.

you know, kind of approach the kind of hemp derived, I get lost in the technical lingo of this, but that same type of thing would have the same level of support, I

believe.

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