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A beautiful October Thursday in Wisconsin.

It's really nice.

It's crisp.

Yeah, it's crisp.

And we have a very busy show for you.

Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review, joining us after 9.30, Jim's show, by the way, Saturday mornings, 9 to 11 across the network.

To talk all things legal, there are a lot of the things going on.

There are a lot of the legal.

There's lots of the legal, so we're going to be talking about many of those issues with Jim Santel, next hour, Hans Brighton Moser.

is going to be joining us.

Really looking forward to this conversation.

He is a dairy farmer for Lincoln County.

He is also a beef producer as well.

And we get, we got, I mean, he's been on our show before he's been on patch show.

He's a regular on patch show.

And when I wanted to reach out to someone about how these, how the announcement of buying Argentinian beef would affect farmers, especially Wisconsin farmers, Darren Von Ruden, our friend,

put us in line to Hans because he is also a beef producer.

Right.

Of course, the president of the United States essentially saying that our beef producers don't understand.

Well, of course not.

They don't

they don't get it like he does.

No, no.

So we'll we'll talk about that with Hans.

In hour number two, we will lighten up for the last half an hour of the show.

J.R.

Radcliffe from the Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel will be here to talk all things sports.

Really impressive showing last night from the Blue Jays.

Yeah, the Dodgers can be beat not by the Brewers, but they can be.

That's the thing is we beat the Dodgers so many times in the regular season.

Don't

look back.

Don't look back.

I can't help it.

Yeah, so the the blue jays I'm I'm rooting for the blue jays I have friends who are blue jays fans And so that was interesting to see and there's one particular player.

We're gonna talk to him about that you saw that's Very impressive very very impressive is gonna give a lot of dreams to men who will never play professional

baseball And I hope he can keep this going.

Yeah, you

hate to see it be a one and done Well, you know, and there's gonna be so much pressure on him now, of course it could all end

Right?

Isn't the last game tonight?

Well,

it could be

the last game.

They could force a game six, I'm possibly a game seven.

And I don't know if that guy will pitch again at that point because he probably not tonight, but yeah, no, not tonight, but it'll be interesting.

We'll talk about that more, but I got a text message on my phone, Jane from somebody.

We're not going to disclose their identity, but apparently it's Calvin Butenhof's birthday.

It's our resident young person's birthday.

Our old Gen Z or our elder Gen Z. Our

senior Gen

Z. Our senior Gen Z. Sweet Kelby.

It's his birthday.

Oh my gosh.

Happy birthday, Calvin.

Happy birthday, Calvin.

Thank you guys.

I appreciate it.

Big plans, big parties.

Going to be happening in Eagle tonight.

Get a Rock Eagle.

You know it.

No, it's going to be probably a normal night for me.

That's how I like it.

So nice and quiet.

Yes.

Nice and quiet.

Well, happy birthday, Kelvin.

27.

Yeah.

27.

keep it up and eventually you're not going to be our resident young person anymore.

We're going to need a new young person.

We're going to

have to get a younger person.

It's like a millionaire who dates ladies, but to get a younger version.

New model.

No, we're delighted to have you here, Calvin, important part of the show.

So happy, happy birthday.

Why don't I start off with this?

We're going to talk about the ending of the snap benefits, which is going to happen on Saturday in just a little bit.

But this is from Laura Schulte from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this morning.

Lawmakers struggle with

to reopen two housing facilities for homeless veterans.

In a hearing yesterday, both sides debated where the money should come from and if the state should hand over operations of the Veterans Housing and Recovery Program to different organizations.

So the bill they're talking about that was authored by Republicans would allow Wisconsin to reimburse groups that offer services to unhoused veterans

Up to $25 per day per veteran.

This money would come in the form of matching grants to funds supplied by the Fed.

A second bill would allocate $1.9 million over the next two years to fund the matching grants.

In case you have forgotten and

Certainly, there's so much to remember and so much news that comes out on a daily basis.

Two of our three housing facilities for homeless veterans in Wisconsin closed in September.

And that forced the folks in these facilities to either move to a different one.

One's in Chippewa Falls.

Another one is in Green Bay.

Others had to go out of state.

From what I understand, all who are in those places, all those housing facilities had been...

Placed and like they're not back on the streets from

yeah, yeah, which is great, but this doesn't we still have this issue Yeah, also an important thing to remember in his budget proposal earlier this year governor evers asked for 1.9 million to keep the program running, but yeah Republicans axed it from the budget.

Yeah

And now we're doing this.

And now we're back and

talking about $1.9

million.

Well, also it's a squabbling.

Like this is one where I'm going to say, I don't care who does it.

Someone do something.

This is $1.9 million.

What are we doing right now?

We have $4 billion.

Why are we going back and forth in hearings?

Why are we discussing just.

Give them the money, allow them to reopen.

These are our vets.

Case closed, moved on to something else.

This is not, this is the third time we're talking about this.

And I do not understand why this is still an issue.

And I'm tired of, like, I know the Republicans axed it from the budget because they probably thought no one would notice until we're here now.

And now they're trying to act magnanimous and they're pointing fingers at Democrats, but Democrats are pointing fingers at Republicans.

I don't care.

I just want the money given and let's not talk about anything else.

Given the money move

on to something else.

Well again both sides Love to talk about how much they love our veterans

absolutely

and all the sacrifices that our veterans made on behalf of all of us Yeah, and yet when it comes to help them out Well, they're actually they love to talk about it It's when it comes to funding it that they all disappear.

It's thoughts and prayers.

That's what it is.

It's it's yeah, and it

This goes back to John Stewart testifying in front of Congress, trying to get that fund for the first responders in New York about

9-11.

Yeah, yeah.

Do your job.

And most of the chamber was empty of lawmakers.

They couldn't be bothered to show up for this, but they love.

our veterans.

They love our veterans.

They love our farmers.

They love our small business owners.

They love our families, children.

But when it comes time, when the rubber hits the road, they're not there.

Or if anything, they're taking the cars away because they don't want us to have any access to benefits and or resources.

And this is another thing where, you know,

It should have been one Republican, one Democrat coming together saying, here's $1.9 million.

Now let's go have an early lunch.

This should not be a hearing.

It

shouldn't be this difficult.

The Department of Veterans Affairs expressed concerns about the new bills.

Legislation will only supply matching grants to non-governmental organizations.

And there are a limited number of how many of those groups will then qualify, that's according to the DVA Assistant Deputy Secretary Joey Hoey.

Organizations will likely also struggle to find startup costs to find a new building or furnish a new building meant to house homeless veterans.

Or Jane, or just an idea, or

We give them the $1.9 million and they reopen the buildings that already exist and the people who have the jobs continue to work.

He does say that the Green Bay facility could be opened.

He said the one in Ship of War Falls is pretty much falling down.

And at some point it's going to have to be raised.

Which is going to require

money.

Guess what then?

Let's make it from $1.9 million to say $3 million to either renovate the building or find a new space.

But again, this is not something that requires this kind of discussion.

This should be just be, uh, it should be five sentences on a piece of paper, sign it, vote for it, give them the money.

We have plenty of it in our, in our coffers.

The surplus could more than pay for it.

Absolutely.

But here we are.

squabbling over $1.9 million.

If you're just joining us on matinee on air, we're talking about an article in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about lawmakers struggling with a path to reopen two housing facilities for homeless veterans.

This is in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel at issue is about $1.9 million.

Congressman Derek Van Orden.

Why was

why was in

Wisconsin?

For why?

To testify at this hearing.

asking lawmakers to set aside their differences to ensure that homeless veterans have access to their resources.

This man should be nowhere near that hearing.

He should be nowhere near Madison.

He shouldn't be, this is, that right there is infuriating that he thinks his opinion should matter at all in this, in this topic.

Well, and pointed out in this article, Derek Van Orden did not include funding measures for this in his proposed earmarks for 2026.

quote, Derek Van Orden didn't lift a finger to prevent a homeless veteran shelter in Chippewa Falls from closing down, according to the DCCC spokesperson.

Van Orden owes Wisconsinites about why he failed to do everything in his power to bring federal money to keep it open and keep serving Wisconsin veterans.

This is just like the budget.

He votes for the budget blueprint.

He votes for the first version.

He votes for the version that comes back from the Senate three times.

He votes for the budget.

And in there, cut snap benefits, which he said wouldn't go down in nickel.

And then he has the temerity to call the governor the next week to say, save our hospitals.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's, by the way, now what Republicans, because they're having daily hearings, blaming Democrats for the shutdown.

And that's one of their talking points now.

He does not belong in those hearings.

His opinion is worthless on this.

He

shouldn't be there.

Dan Orton says it's unnecessary to set aside earmarks in the federal budget for these veterans' facilities because the money's already there.

Veterans just need guidance on how to get it.

And he's- What?

Quote, we have tens of thousands of dollars waiting for veterans to use.

We just need to get the word out.

to our veterans on

quote.

He doesn't even know what he's talking about.

He doesn't even know he's testifying on.

He is an embarrassment.

He is a, as Tony says on the live stream, he is a fraud.

He doesn't care about veterans.

And by the way, if you don't know this, he is a vet.

Thank you for your service.

But he doesn't care about them.

He uses his status for clout and he uses it to get in people's face when they try to challenge his authority.

He is, he is.

Embarrassing.

He shouldn't have been in that room and he's not even speaking on the topic.

Yeah.

Well,

he's going to have a challenger again in the next election.

I've heard of this person.

We'll see how that goes.

Yeah.

Gene from Eau Claire is on the line.

Gene, good morning.

Thanks for joining us.

We don't have a lot of time.

What did you want to say?

He's only there for the photo op.

He does this all the time.

He appears where there's a problem.

He gets his picture taken and he don't do a gilding thing.

So thank you for covering this.

You're doing a great job.

But goodbye.

Thanks, Gene.

Again, I'm just going to say to me, this is, Jane, I think you agree.

It's $1.9 million.

It's to help our homeless vets.

I don't feel like this is.

When we're talking about $1.9 million, and then we talk about the fact that Kristi Noem is getting two, not one.

but two new planes for 172 million each.

It does make you wonder where the priorities are.

I mean, when it comes to vets, it's obviously not the priority of Derek Van Horten or he would have helped them in the first place.

When we return, we're going to talk about snap benefits hanging in the balance.

They are set to expire on Saturday.

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Great show.

Oh my goodness.

Jim Santel is going to be joining us, an acting attorney, a former U.S.

attorney.

He knows law.

He knows law.

He knows legal.

He and Law are like best friends,

James.

They talk frequently.

There's a lot of things to talk about, including a judge in Illinois who is not very happy with ICE and how ICE is treating people on the streets of Chicago in particular.

So we're going to talk about that along with many, many other things from what I saw in social media this morning.

The United States blew another boat out of the water.

in the Mediterranean.

And

they're just going to keep doing it because killing people stops drugs, I guess.

Apparently without knowing that what was on these boats.

But anyway, Jim Santel is going to be joining us after the 9.30 news.

Stay tuned for that.

Wanted to start off with this.

Snap benefits are running out for almost 700,000 Wisconsinites on Saturday.

Foodshare is Wisconsin's version of Snap, the program funded entirely by the federal government.

Those will pause on November 1st.

There are a number of food drives happening around Milwaukee County and probably in the community where you live as well.

We spoke to Emily Sefos yesterday and she is running a food share in the out of gamey area that will be weather.

And I'll tell you what, I will look after the show to see if there is a central place for all of that.

I'll put that in the show notes.

But if you need food, find it.

If you can donate food, please do so.

And if you can donate money to food pantries, they're able to buy in bulk.

So their dollars go a little bit farther if you're able to

do that.

Yes, very, very good point.

Because if the federal government isn't going to help us, and Mary Felskowski says the state won't be helping us, it's up to us to help each other for the time being.

And I found this article in ProPublica this morning

which I think is also worth remembering.

Back in spring, the Trump administration abruptly cut $500 million in deliveries from a program that sent American-produced meat, dairy, eggs, and produce to food banks and other groups around the country about a quarter of the funding that it got the year before.

The items that were delivered through the Emergency Food Assistance Program

were some of the healthiest stuff, again, fresh produce and things like that.

The Trump administration canceled that.

Yeah, of course.

Over 4,000 deliveries between May and September across 50 states.

And what happened to all that stuff that was supposed to be sent out to these food banks?

It sat there and it rotted.

This is from ProPublica.

We'll include this in our show notes so you can take a look at it also.

I don't understand why, what that gain does.

I'm at a loss for words when it comes to things like this, Jane, when we talk about these matters, it makes my brain short circuit.

It boggles the

mind.

Because when you cancel programs, when you cancel funding or cancel programs at their jobs or to help people with food assistance,

or just living a little bit of a better life, what you're telling us is you don't care about these people.

This $500 million had already been allocated.

USDA did not respond to questions from ProPublica in a mail letter responding to Senator's concerns about this cut.

USDA said it had made additional purchases through another program.

and that the emergency food program would continue to operate as originally intended by Congress.

But again, they cut $500 million from that program.

That was already allocated and set to go out to food pantries and then they just let it sit there and rot.

And my guess is that $500 million, half a billion dollars with a B is probably going to go into the coffers that are going to be redistributed into the pockets of billionaires because of the big bill for billionaires.

That's...

probably what's going

on.

Well, that is their biggest concern is making sure their donors are taken care of.

And when you hear Republicans talk about how this is all the Democrats fault and they are the party of fiscal responsibility, this little tidbit also showed up this morning.

This past Saturday, the director of the FBI, Cash Patel, apparently used his private jet, his government jet to go see his girlfriend sing.

Can we

just talk about the fact that Cache Patel has a girlfriend?

I mean, seriously, it's a very weird

thing that that little

troll of a human being gets to have girls like him.

That's really weird to me.

Very, very, very sweaty man.

Country singer Alexis Wilkins was singing as part of an event at Penn State.

And on Saturday, apparently, the government jet took off from a Northern Virginia airport and landed at State College right near the campus.

Yeah.

So that's that was our money.

But yeah, that's our money.

That's our plane.

That's our money.

They just they get to use it.

They get to have it.

They get to use it.

They get to keep it and work it to their advantages.

But the rest of us, you know,

Just

two years of pain.

Jane, those billionaires are going to take that money from us, the taxpayers.

They're

going to reinvest it back into the country by way of paying for a ballroom where the East Wing used to be.

So it's about investment, circular dollars.

It's trickling down from them.

It's more like, you know how like there's a hard wind storm and like the rain goes vertical or goes horizontal.

That's what it is.

It's not like so much trickling down onto us.

It's going horizontal onto other billionaires.

So that's how the, how the thing works

now.

That's how it's

working.

That's how it works.

It's horizontal.

not vertical.

Again check our show notes after the show is over we will have links in there if you would like to look at some of these articles and then we'll try and get some links in there as well if you would like to help and donate to some local food pantries because that is going to be a need.

We have news coming up next when we come back Jim Santel will be here from Amicus a law review stay close you are listening to Matt Nair on air this is the Civic Media Radio Network

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Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings across the network 9 to 11.

Listen to it.

It's fabulous.

Good morning, Jim.

How are you?

Jane Greg is always a delight to be with you once again.

And today for those folks who are tuning in by stream art, you can actually see real law books behind me there.

How exciting is that?

You rented them just for this.

That's so nice.

I did.

It's all a set.

Right.

Right.

I'm not real anyways.

No,

he is an actual attorney who does legal things.

And he's

real

too.

And he is.

Yes, he exists.

We have a lot of things, very serious things to talk about this morning.

And let's start.

Let's start with the situation in Chicago and ICE agents in Chicago and Bovino, the head of ICE.

This ice forest in Chicago is in a little trouble, it looks like.

Or is that not the case?

No, I think he's in a lot of trouble.

Any time that a federal judge asks to see you every single evening to report on what you've done during the course of the day, you're probably in more than a little bit of trouble.

And so that's what she has requested recently.

The Seventh Circuit, the appeals court just above her just yesterday said, well, that's a bit excessive and said he doesn't have to show up for all of those.

But she is plainly monitoring very, very closely what is going on.

He is a U.S.

Border Patrol commander.

Again, you got to just write his name is Gregory Bovino.

And he is also this fellow who is seen on video hurling a canister of tear gas into a crowd.

When you interview him, he plainly is not someone who's there.

Committed to safety and security, but rather to my words not his get people and that is a commission.

That's a mission.

That's a goal completely contrary to what we anticipate from anybody involving the administration of justice and certainly trying to keep peace on the streets of Chicago or anywhere This is this is again a reflection of the Trump administration directive to do whatever you want to do and that's why this is so incredibly troubling

Absolutely.

And one of the instances, and again, this bovino got in trouble before because he was directed not to be lobbing tear gas into residential areas.

And then after that, after she issued that order, he was caught on video doing exactly that.

And at the same time, there were kids leaving their houses with their parents to go take part in a Halloween parade as he lobbed tear gas.

into the neighborhood.

And another story that we mentioned briefly at the same event, there is a running club in Chicago who posted this on social media.

One of our athletes heading bow home from a team run yesterday, he turned onto his block.

Border control had it blocked off.

Agents threatened to break his window if he didn't move his car before he could act.

They pulled him out of the car, knelt on his back, even though he never resisted.

They broke six ribs and caused internal bleeding.

Now, lest you think border control is coming back and saying, oh, that was a mistake.

No, that's not what they're saying.

Their border patrol came back and said, yep, we're doing our job.

And if you're going to cause problems, then this is going to happen to you too.

It is, again, we are in absence for incredible adjectives here, right?

Shocking, stunning, contrary to what we do in America.

And here, not only should this be a source of outrage as to this particular young man, but know as well that there are remedies here.

criminal in nature, although they could be, depending upon if this fellow has indeed engaged in violations of the Constitution in doing this.

It certainly appears, but there's also the notion of, again, a prosecution for arrest under circumstances where you're using excessive force.

And people have, in fact, gotten monetary damages against law enforcement when they engage in this kind of conduct.

There are remedies out there.

And again, as I said, the local state's attorney there in Illinois should also be looking at whether or not this conduct is fundamentally criminal in nature.

Only the DA, only the state's attorney can prosecute that.

But all those things should be on the table.

In addition to America, wherever you are expressing absolute outrage demanding that this not

continue Sarah Ellis.

Sarah Ellis again is the name of the judge who deserves our commendation and our support.

She is the one who's right now trying to keep a hold on this stunningly saying can we please not use tear gas when children are trick or treating tomorrow.

What a stunning stunning indictment of America that a federal judge has to say let's let the kids get some candy and enjoy the evening without being gassed on the streets of America.

What is going on?

If you're just joining us right now, I'm Matt Naranair.

You are talking to Jane and Greg.

We are on the show right now, Matt Naranair.

And we are talking with Jim Santel, who is the host of Amicus, a law review, which is on 9 a.m.

to 11 a.m.

every Saturday.

And if you miss an episode live, you can always go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

Find Amicus and you can download about two months worth of shows, if not more, honestly, because you're once a week.

So there's a lot of access.

It's a great, great program.

And I highly recommend.

you check it out because it's like a little law class every single week for you.

But Jim, earlier this week, I was talking about on the show with Jane that the way we're speaking about this country is how we speak.

We used to speak about other countries, quote, quote, lesser countries when it came to violence in the street as done by the federal government.

And it's seeming to become overwhelming.

And the fact that we are now in the halls of lesser

administrations or countries or however you want to call it.

But there's something to be said about this, about Sarah Ellis, Judge Sarah Ellis, let me rephrase that, is that we're now, we can see slow movements of pushback, whether it's from the judges.

This is a big, to me, this is a big deal.

The fact that there is at least a showing of

of accountability, trying to make them seem a combo.

Whereas a couple of weeks ago, it was just, sorry, that's it.

We don't have to show our faces.

We don't have to identify ourselves.

If we beat you up, we beat you up.

If we disappear you too bad, if we send you somewhere else, not our problem.

Now it seems like, all right, small cracks in the armor here by ways of judge and by the press, by not adhering to Pete Hex, that's new demands for covering the Pentagon.

I mean, from your point of view as a lawyer,

And you see a lot of this happening as far as the legality of what they are doing.

Are you seeing more and more pushback coming from various judges?

Do you see this as the beginning, possibly?

I

think it's the beginning.

I think it's actually the continuation.

We've seen this.

Actually, I go back.

to March 15th when judges uh a fellow named James Bosberg in District Columbia said you know what if there are 238 people on those planes going to El Salvador you bring them back here you tell the pilot to turn around

And many, many other instances, Greg and Jane, where that has happened, Sarah Ellis, the most recent of all of these.

And yes, indeed, your listeners and all of us should take more than just solace in the notion that she is one of the guardrails, as are these other federal judges saying, no, this is not permissible.

This is not legal.

Don't do it.

And so they are one of the guardrails.

It's federal district court judges for the most part.

It's also appeals court judges.

Again, when you get into the United States Supreme Court, you hit this brick wall with peers to be granting the president permission to do whatever he wants to do.

But there are judges out there saying no.

The big question, which we've also talked about in the past on this wonderful broadcast, is what if the government, as it seems to be doing again in the streets of Chicago, written as this guy named Gregory Bovino, simply says, judge, no.

I'm not doing that.

What if Donald Trump says no Supreme Court or other judges?

What do we do then?

Then we truly are beyond the constitutional crisis.

Then we're beyond even authoritarian

government.

What authority is going to step in and hold them to account?

The one thing I will take a little solace from is some of the judges who are making these decisions are actually Trump appointees who are coming back and saying, yeah, nice try.

You can't do that.

But something I find very disturbing that I don't think we've talked about nearly enough.

This is from NBC News.

Some new ICE recruits are showing up to training without being vetted.

Recruits have had criminal backgrounds, failed drug tests, couldn't meet physical or academic standards.

There is such a rush to deport people and get his quota up because Donald Trump has a quota.

Stephen Miller has a quota.

And they're just filling this up with people that we don't even know.

where they come they could be proud boys they could be jet they could be all january sixth defendants who attacked capital police officers i don't understand why there is no oversight over that agency jim

there should be and frankly to your last comment chain wouldn't we assume that many of these people are among the a thousand folks that the president pardoned early in his term on the first day

Proud boys, 3%ers, those folks, mostly because we don't see their faces.

We don't know who they are.

We have no names.

And this latest reporting that you have just accurately recited confirms, again, a basic flaw.

in what has been a part of this administration, this term in the past term as well.

If you want to work for the Department of Justice, I will tell you this is what I dealt with for 30 years.

Appropriately, you submit your documents and until you're completely vetted, your background is done, your academic background is determined, whether you've got any criminal history.

What is your present financial status?

What is your family status?

All these things go into it.

And I've been in situations where I wanted to bring on an assistant US attorney.

The FBI wants to bring in a special agent.

They're ready to go until someone in Washington gives me or gives that supervisor the call and says, you are ready.

You can now call in.

Calvin and bring him on as an agent of the federal government until that happens and that approval is given that person has no authority They cannot enter the building much less be out there doing things this once again is law enforcement turned on its head and therefore we get these kinds of things where there's no background check and then resumably also

No training.

We've seen those videos as well.

We give them guns.

We go out there.

There's no training on how to make a lawful arrest.

So people do not have their ribs broken and do not end up in the hospital.

There are ways of doing that.

That's part of training.

It is all destroyed.

And apparently the president is just fine with that.

Stephen Miller is fine

with

that.

And again, the situation 2025, go back to your central point.

Judges are saying, Mr. President,

No, you cannot do this, do better.

And we should take again some solace on that, even though the incidents continue to happen around the nation.

Staff members at the Ice Training Academy in Georgia discovered one recruit had previously been charged with strong armed robbery, battery from a domestic violence incident.

They've also found as recently as this month.

Some recruits going through the six-week training course hadn't even submitted fingerprints yet for their background checks, and we're giving them guns and sending them out on the streets.

I had to submit my fingerprints to get a bartending license in this state, and they're not- My goodness.

I-

Actually, what's what's weird and I know it's gonna sound odd But there is a bit of sympathy actually feel for trained qualified ice agents who while I don't agree with what they're doing Those individuals come bumbling in can't make their lives any easier either I mean you started you trying to create a situation and calm it down Maybe and they come in with their guns blade.

This is this

is bad.

Yeah or dropping guns.

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President Trump essentially telling cattle farmers if only you knew as much about cattle as I do So we're gonna talk to Hans Brighton Moser and see how he reacts to that right now Jim Santel our friend colleague host of amicus a law review on Saturdays across the network from 9 to 11 is our guest in the time that we have left Jim I wanted to talk about this tish James case

Of course, the Trump administration has brought charges against New York Attorney General Latisha James.

She's being accused, and now my website just went down.

I gotta bring it back up again.

She is accused of mortgage fraud.

And from what I was able to read and correct me if I'm wrong,

They're saying that she lied on her mortgage application about whether or not she was going to rent out her house.

That's the big crime, right?

That's it.

That she made a false statement when she got this loan and affirmed that the house would be a second residence, would not rent it out.

That's number one, even without what has developed recently.

That's the huge crime here that's alleged.

in this indictment presented once again by this interim U.S.

attorney.

And we've got some developments now, Jane, as you've called to my attention and the attention of your listeners, that it turns out that there is a rider.

There is an insurance rider.

There is a, there's a bank loan rider rather on this that basically says that indeed you can use it for short-term rentals.

This is one of those situations, Jane and Greg, where you know what?

You don't have to be a lawyer.

You don't have to be a judge.

And maybe even if you're an insurance lawyer, which is what the US Attorney does, practices there, maybe you should have noticed that indeed, this is the kind of thing that will not only affect your capacity to bring the lawsuit in the first place, but to get a conviction.

If this goes to a trial and the judge and the defense introduces evidence,

The judge may well look at this and say, you know what?

There's nothing here to be decided by a jury.

You could even do something called a directed verdict, directing the verdict based upon the fact that there's no way factually that a jury could find this person guilty, Letitia James, based upon the fact that there is no overt, not even close, any fraud here of the sort that's alleged.

It's a stunning development once again.

it's going to sink this lawsuit as will other motions as well.

Well, and my whole thing is this was a victimless crime.

There is no one who lost money.

There was no one that got ripped off by this.

They're just claiming that she lied for the purpose of getting this loan on this form.

So there are no victims involved here.

Nobody that she ripped off.

Unlike Steve Bannon, who ripped off Trump supporters

for his wall, I can think of a number of other cases of Trump supporters ripping off people where actual harm was incurred monetarily, and they all got pardoned.

But they want to go after Tish James for this.

This seems like what is it called grasping for straws.

Yes, it's also called vindictive prosecution.

And the reason why she gets prosecuted, she'll raise this motion as well in addition to this issue about there being this rider on the bank loan itself.

She'll also maintain that the only reason I'm here, as she said publicly, is the President of the United States wanted me indicted.

And we pulled up some information here, as you said, the dollar amount that she benefited from is so de minimis, so small.

No U.S.

Attorney's Office across the nation would ever even bring this as a viable prosecution given the Lord Dalaran to begin with, even if there was a misstatement, which there wasn't.

So

many problems with this.

And the reason we're here once again is because Donald Trump wanted to get back at her.

This is his retribution, which he promised the American people, those who voted for him.

This is what you get.

This is the retribution.

And it's also the abuse number one of our judicial system.

This is being bandied about, obviously, inside our courts.

And it brings into the courtroom somebody who should be focused exclusively on what law enforcement in New York.

If you think this isn't diverting her, think again.

And that's the other, of course, piece of what Donald Trump wants to do.

It's the investigation.

It is the prosecution itself.

in his view, which is the punishment.

It does have that impact.

Again, it's an abuse of the system, abuse of justice.

And her name just now goes on the growing list of enemies.

That's the thing.

And he said it out loud numerous

times.

I saw a flag by my mother-in-law's house that said Trump 2024, the revenge tour, and that perfectly encapsulates what this is.

Coming from a party might I add that

10, 15 years ago, they were railing against gay marriage, people who didn't like war, and frivolous lawsuits.

It was frivolous lawsuits.

They could not stop talking about that.

And now this case, to me, that seems like it should get no attention from the federal government, is now the centerpiece and the ire of Donald Trump.

once again, putting in charge someone to prosecute the case who has no business

and no experience.

Well, and I also think this is indicative of the kinds of charges that the government could bring against just regular citizens like you and me.

Yes.

Right?

Let's be passing to see what the grand jury was told here.

The other problem that she has very quickly is if she did not prevent present this information of the grand jury, there's an obligation of prosecutor to present what's called exculpatory information.

If she didn't present this to the grand jury, she has an ethical problem also.

down the road when we get those grand jury transcripts and figure out what this grand jury did and did not hear at the time of this indictment.

More problems

to come in this case.

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Right now we are delighted to be joined by Hans Brighton Moser.

He's a regular guest on mornings with Pat Crichtlow.

Delighted to have him join us.

He's a dairy farmer and a beef producer in Lincoln County.

Good morning, Hans.

Thanks so much for making time for us.

Good morning, Jane.

Of course.

Good to see you.

Good to see you as well.

Lots of things going on.

We can start with beef.

Let's start with talking about beef and our beef producers.

I found it kind of interesting, Hans, that the president of the United States essentially said that beef producers just don't get it if they only understood.

as well as he does the industry, then beef producers wouldn't be upset.

I love that little laugh he had when you said that.

Your reaction?

I think Greg caught my reaction my life.

Well I mean come on really you know can you give us a little bit of credit out here for maybe having some grasp on on what our reality is.

The beef situation is as follows I mean we get into the beef weeds here a little bit and may bore you with this but the but here's what's happening in the beef world the beef

The beef cow herd is as small as it's been in the history of forever.

It's smaller than it's been since like the 1950s.

And so what that does is that creates some opportunities for those of us who produce beef.

So I'm a dairy farmer and of course once a dairy cow loses her ability to

continue producing milk efficiently and effectively, she becomes ground beef typically.

We also produce a lot of little black calves, Angus Holstein cross calves that go into the beef side of things and leave the dairy world and go into the beef world.

to get raised up, to become the steaks and the roasts and all the things that we love.

And so because that beef cow herd is smaller than it's been in a long time, that has created a supply issue and the demand hasn't gone away even though prices are higher in the stores.

And in the dairy world, that's been a good thing for us because the milk prices are terrible.

And so if I can have a little extra income by a higher price,

value cull cow or those little black terminal crosses that we create that we don't need for replacements.

That definitely helps my bottom line and it definitely helps rural economies.

So for the president to say well we're going to solve all the consumers problems by by you know sending a bunch of money to Argentina just doesn't make any sense because it doesn't help those of us in production ag.

And it's really not going to help the consumers either, because number one, the consumers' tax dollars get frittered away and sent south of the border for something that's really not going to improve their prices at the store anyways.

If you truly want to improve consumers' lives and make their lives better while not hurting producers, we should be focused on antitrust legislation in this country and busting up the four great big companies

that

are multinational corporations that are raising your prices.

And if you think for one second,

that introducing a bunch of Argentinian beef is going to help your price at Walmart, you're kidding yourself, because guess what the Walmart's of the world understand?

They understand what...

people are willing and able to pay for a product and they're not going to lower the prices.

They're just going to be a fatter margin for the people in between.

So my prices aren't going to improve in terms of higher prices for my product.

And I promise you, consumers, you will not pay less at the store with this.

You're just going to pay extra taxes.

Well, and we're going to get to the whole hoof and mouth thing with Argentinian beef because that's a whole separate thing.

But

I think it's important that people realize, like you said, Hans, let's go back a little bit.

One of the reasons, from my understanding, that herds are smaller goes back a number of years to when we had extreme drought.

in some parts of the country, right?

And it was very expensive for beef producers to keep feeding their cattle.

It was cheaper for them to send them to slaughter.

And that's

one of

the reasons why our beef price, or our beef herd's shrunk was related to this drought from several years ago, right?

Yes.

Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct.

I mean, that's one part of it, but that's a big part of it.

And to add on to that is the average beef

you know the average cow calf guy is you know sort of my age or older so you know you're talking 60 plus years old average right so there's a lot of people in that industry that have been in an industry for a long time and are looking at their situation saying wow these beef cows are worth a lot of money I don't have enough feed and I'm of a certain age it's silly for me not to pull the trigger so that beef cow goes off the slaughter which

adds beef to the market immediately, but guess what?

That beef cow doesn't get bred with a calf

that

is going to then become that beef steer.

So her productive life is over and the beef cow herd shrinks as a result.

So there's demographic issues, there's weather issues, and I understand we're going to talk about this at some point too.

There's the labor issue because guess what?

It takes somebody to actually feed all those animals and

and do all the things.

If you're just joining us on mat and air on air, we are speaking with Hans Brighton Moser, who is a Lincoln County dairy farmer, a beef producer, a friend of civic media.

And we are talking about the announcement last week.

And really, if I'm not mistaken too, it was really kind of off the cuff.

I feel like his staff was behind the scenes going, what did he just say?

Is that they do that every day, they're going to start buying Argentinian beef because apparently we are investing as a partner, a corporate partner in Argentine, whether

Argentinean.

Wow, good Lord.

Whether it's $40 billion or giving our money to buy their beef, but you are a beef producer and I imagine you talk to other people in the industry and whether it's cattle, people in cattle throughout the country and the state.

What are you hearing from them on this?

I mean, because I have to imagine, regardless of who they voted for, this was not something they expected.

We've seen tariffs.

Cause bailouts we've seen farmers seem to vote against their interests But this is one where he said we're gonna start buying Argentinian beef and I have to imagine y'all were like what?

Yeah Well, yeah, and I think there is a lot of that wait what yeah, that's that's that's the reaction I mean, I think it takes a long time for for people's Voting reflexes to change which is to say

you know the the quote red parts of our country are still pretty darn red

and

it's interesting how much how many questionables or straight up poor decisions the administration can make um and and and and how many

Rather than converts to more progressive politics, but you know, it creates it tends to create Apologists for the administration or or you know people willing to make excuses and say well, you know, this is you know This is somehow part of some magic strategy that long-term plan.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's so interesting because I feel like

you know, other administrations in the past didn't get away with that, right?

I mean, if anything happened, came out of the Biden administration or the Obama administration or even a Bush administration was like, you know, people would jump on it immediately say, what in the wide world of sports is going on?

So, so there is a difference because of this, I'm going to say cultish kind of situation here.

But yeah, I mean, you know, and the other interesting thing is that, you know, one wonders

how much of this has to do with some concern over consumer prices in this country and how much of it has to do with the fact that there's a political ally in Argentina.

If he wasn't in bed with the Argentinian president, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You know what I'm saying?

If that guy wasn't a huge Trump fan, then this deal wouldn't have happened to begin with.

So it's frustrating because I just don't see a lot of congressional oversight here either.

There's an opportunity for people in Congress to say, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

This is a terrible idea.

And I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat.

It's just poor public policy.

Yeah, it's bad for our farmers who you know our politicians love to raise up on a pedestal anytime they want to get

elected.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean there's no end to the hero worship in my industry and I mean, you know...

I'm proud to produce food.

I really am.

I sincerely am.

But it becomes more frustrating when you have an administration who doesn't understand how that whole system works.

And I'm the last guy that wants consumers to pay through the nose when they go and they want to buy a pound of hamburger or a steak.

But that's my frustration here.

I mean, if I could honestly sit here and say, well, OK, the good news is that Jane and Greg are going to get cheaper food at the store, then it would

be a little bit easier for me to swallow this, but that's not what's going to happen.

I

promise you that simply won't happen.

So what has been gained other than bailing out a guy in Argentina who's struggling politically?

Well, and one of the reasons Hans, that we're bailing out this guy in Argentina is because a member of the Trump administration has a really wealthy friend who bought up debt in Argentina, who really needs Argentina to recover.

So he gets his investment back.

Let's go back a little bit to the four big, there's the four big producers.

They're the ones who, who process the meat.

As you said, there are only four of them in the country that control all of this.

And one of the biggest ones is Brazilian owned.

And yet we never, ever hear that talked about.

No, we don't.

And it's so strange because I feel like, I feel like

from a policy standpoint and how to improve the lot of rural America, this would be a fairly easy one to tackle.

So you've got basically a monopoly in the meatpacking industry and their multinational companies.

And when you layer that monopoly on top of the retail groceries situation and how that's monopolized, it just straight up doesn't do any good for producers and it doesn't do any good for consumers.

And antitrust legislation by God is something that everybody regardless of how you feel about, you know, guns or the minimum wage or anything else.

I mean, I feel like that's something that all policymakers should get should be able to get behind because you see the impacts of it and the impacts are broad.

But I think, you know, at the risk of going down another rabbit trail, you're also talking about money and politics when you start talking about antitrust legislation.

Yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Honestly, Hans, I love having you on the show because you just say so many amazing things and I kind of, I forgot what I was going to ask you because, and we wouldn't have time anyway.

So I'm just going to let Jane take it from here because my brain is falling apart because I read the news all the time.

I wanted to share this.

Usually, usually somebody asks me a very simple question and I ramble for, you know, a half an hour and I forgot the question that they asked to begin.

Sir, would you like fries with that?

That's all I was

asking.

Yeah, exactly.

I was going through the drive-through and half an hour

later.

I wanted to share this with you real quickly before

before we go to break Carolyn Levitt, who is the spokesperson for the White House, talking about America's beef producers.

They're struggling because of the many horrible policies of the previous administration.

Is that your lived experience that this

is all because of Biden?

I'm

just checking.

no no no no

That has nothing to do with who's in the White House.

That is so logical.

That's making

the

head explode.

It's

all across Washington.

They're just

trying to accept the logic of that.

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Hans, we had a Troy from Monhorab has been waiting very patiently on the phone.

Troy, what did you want to say real quickly, please?

Hi, real quick.

The Kansas City Star wrote an article about how tariffs were gutting farmers.

And a farmer from El Dorado said that farmers aren't blaming Trump for the tariffs.

And I said they should.

And he said back to me, no, sir, farmers are doing better right now than the majority of Biden's four years.

Don't open your mouth about something you know nothing about.

Is

that

true?

Thank you, Troy.

Great question.

Great question.

Yeah.

I'm going to attend to disagree with your friend.

Yeah.

Not your lived experience.

Not my lived experience.

No prices are not great.

I'm a consumer and producer of corn and beans.

um and so the lower prices that we're seeing for commodities like corn and soybeans are helpful to the dairy world because we feed those products um but you know we're or you know a lot of us do both and so it's a kind of a double-edged sword there and and the beef prices again are are high but they have nothing to do with

This administration or the last administration is as simple.

It's a simple supply and demand, right?

Yeah, it's a plenty man and it has again to do with the demographics of the average age of the beef producers and the weather that we've had out West and in some of these places where there, you know, the cow calf herds exist

And and you know, we've spoken to we've

Over the past few months we've been hearing from various farmers and some farmers say there's no resentment No problems amongst their peers and their colleagues and whatnot and then we talked to other farmers who say they're hopping mad and then we got people who are mad at Trump and then they get what they want then they're not mad at Trump anymore and I feel like if When you ask a person to speak on behalf of a whole group farmers aren't a monolith Everyone has different thoughts and feelings and they're going to do and say what they want and that's

for them to do.

So yeah, I mean, but I can't imagine that, but the notion that it's, it's better than Biden.

It's like that.

I need more proof than that.

But one of the things we wanted to talk about though with you, Hans, is you went to DC last week to talk about sensible, sensible immigration reform, because as you've spoken on patch show and on our show that this, this mission on behalf of the government to rid ourselves of the immigrants in this country is really doing damage to the farming industry.

And

Guess what?

We talked about that for a while now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I was in DC last week with an organization called ABIC, which stands for American Business Immigration Coalition.

And basically, ABIC is a bunch of folks who are business owners and represent different business interests, ag, hospitality, you know, construction, you name it.

and the medical world as well and our elder care type world as well.

And so the reason why ABIC exists is because ABIC and its members understand that again, it's kind of a simple math problem.

We don't have enough young people compared to the number of old people that we have.

Now to put it in a dairy farmer's sort of lingo,

our breeding program sucked 20 years ago.

And therefore we didn't produce enough babies and there's not enough 20 year olds to fill the positions.

Now we can't unring that bell.

Right.

And this isn't a Democratic problem or a Republican problem.

It's a simple math problem.

If you, if you're, if you're, um, you know, if you're, uh, again, your, your breeding program isn't any good.

And you don't produce enough young people.

Um, it it at some point it's going to bite you in the rear end so And as our population in this country ages from a lower birth rate and from longer life expectancy You've got more and more people entering a stage of their life where they're not producing any widgets whether that's Whether that's beef for the grocery store or whatever it is And you also at the same time have a population who who needs care from other people.

Yes,

right so that

that puts everybody in a bind.

So we've seen that in the ag world for years and years and years and everybody else is seeing as well.

So ABIC's job and those of us who went along, we went there to tell our stories to legislators and to try and help them understand that this is a math problem, that we can't get over any time too soon internally.

And the good news is we've got people from all over the world who would like to come into this country and lots of them that are already

in this country and would like the legal authorization to work here.

They're not

looking for citizenship.

They're not looking for any handouts.

They're really just wanting to be able to do their work.

And again, in many cases work that they've been doing for 10, 15, 20 years, and to be able to do that without getting any aggravation from the heavy hand of ICE.

It almost seems like the individuals who want to come into this country want to do it in a legal, logical way so they can work and provide and yet still, even when they do it the legal, logical way, they're still getting thrown out of this country and it's harming

our farmers.

Well, and as you said too, there's this big push now under the Trump administration.

We need more babies.

We're under-babyed.

Everybody should have more babies.

Well, even if we start that assembly nightline now, as you said, that's going to take 20 years.

Exactly,

no,

and

I'm not anti babies.

I've got five children of my own But but but again, it's it's what do you do between now and then right

who's

gonna?

Care of grandma between now and then who's gonna milk the cows between now and then who's going to you know build the Buildings and do the you know all of these things.

I mean I heard I heard all sorts of interesting comments You know the the elder care industry for examples really getting it hard because their average age is like 55

So, some of these people are leaving that industry and turning right around and requiring the care that that industry

provides.

They just served.

Hans Brighton Moser is a dairy farmer and beef producer in Lincoln County.

Thank you so very much, Hans.

We really, really appreciate your time.

You bet.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

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Good morning.

Hey, good morning.

Happy Halloween, guys.

Happy Halloween.

I want to talk about Trey Yassavage.

I, I

am so, I am so

happy for this kid.

I have, I just, I heard about it this morning and I was like, you go, Trey, go kid.

Yeah.

Every few, every few years, somebody pops up in the world series who just doesn't have very much big league baseball experience.

And, uh, you know, whether it's because the kids just doesn't know any better rising to the moment or, you know,

Probably more likely they don't have a lot of film on him.

They haven't really figured him out yet as a big league pitcher.

We saw this with David Price a while back.

Michael Waka with the St.

Louis Cardinals had such an amazing rookie run.

And this year, it's Trey Savage, who is a strikeout machine, you know, even when I think in game five, when he really, when he struck out 12 Dodgers

or seven innings, I

don't even think it's.

Command was that good, but he dominated the Dodgers have looked really sort of lethargic really even in the Brewers series They only scored 15 runs in four games.

That's you know, if you if you're talking less than four runs a game, that's a beatable team offensively and obviously the pitching was what separated the Dodgers then but like Right now the pitching hasn't been as good and Toronto has sort of done the things you would think Milwaukee could do And yeah, Trey Savage.

What a great story.

I mean, what a what a nails performance.

This is a kid who pitched

At a ball a lot this year, you know below the wisconsin tibba routlers as an example or advanced class a So he pitched an advanced class a and also the level below that

for a lot of this year, low A. And then he ended up getting a little bit of experience at double, a little bit of experience at triple.

And they brought him up for the last two, two weeks of the regular season.

So he only has two weeks of big league baseball under his belt, goes right into the postseason and it ends up having just a tremendous showing.

This is not his first good game in the postseason.

He was really, really good in a previous round as well.

So really, really fun story.

It's something that happens every fall.

Somebody, somebody.

bus through, I would say.

Well, and I saw something this morning that said that he made like $57,000 last year.

And he's taken on the Dodgers, which has got the biggest payroll in the league, right?

And then just smoked them.

So did he just come out and just they were so confused?

Is that what

it

was?

They looked confused.

Yeah.

Um, you know, in the 57,000 is a little misleading.

That's what he made as a big leaguer this year.

That's two weeks of salary at the big league level.

So like he's, yeah, and that might have included his minor league pay this year, although I think there's probably a little bit more there.

But I mean, he just, he just hasn't been here that long.

And I

think you see that sometimes with it, you know, a team that just hasn't faced somebody who throws like that and doesn't, you know, hasn't figured him out yet.

I don't think anybody, you know, trade you savage was a pretty well known.

prospect in baseball coming out of East Carolina, but he wasn't like a top five pick or anything.

So there

is still a pretty cool story here.

It's just that, you know, I don't think anybody is saying this is the next great pitcher in big league baseball necessarily.

I think he's just, he's just gotten the hot.

And I mean, he'll still be very good.

You know, he'll certainly be in the rotation next year for the Blue Jays and will be a big, big piece of what they do going forward.

And maybe he is the next great pitcher, but I really think this is just a case where.

They haven't seen him very much.

They haven't figured him out very much.

And he's, he's just taking advantage of that right now.

I want to, I'm sorry to, to, to derail the fun train of World Series victories.

And, and I love this story, but I want to talk about the fact that what you just said, as far as the, the Dodgers and how much they scored against the Brewers and in the NLCS and ask a question of you, do the Brewers have a post season problem?

Is that something you can actually look at?

from a analytics standpoint, say we, we, we completely smoke them in the, in the, in the regular season, but, and we go to the post season a lot, but we don't make it very far.

Does the, do the brewers have a post season problem?

I think coming into this, you know, this postseason, before they'd won a series in the last seven years, you could have said that.

You could have.

It just, it isn't enough data.

It rarely is when we're talking postseason.

There's never one thing that leads a team to victory.

There's never one stat that says, well, if the teams that home are the most always win, the teams that have the best pitching always win.

It's just, you get down to these just handful of games and it just never is that simple.

So I think what, what this series has.

told me, you know, because I really did look at that Dodger series with the Brewers and said to myself, the Brewers can't beat this.

I mean, they could have played better, but they cannot beat those four pitchers at that level.

And I still think to some degree, that's true.

Those pitchers pitched really well.

And when you have guys who are that, you know, that expensive and that talented, if they pitch well, you're probably not going to beat them.

They have not pitched as well in this series.

And the Blue Jays have taken advantage of it.

The Blue Jays played better than the Brewers did.

No questions asked.

Like they just

They've kept their sort of past the baton mentality

and they

have worked really long at bats.

The Brewers kind of got out of that.

They started swinging out of the zone a lot and that ultimately I think was a big part of their undoing.

But I do think this is a reminder that the Brewers can do this in the postseason.

They are equipped.

They are talented enough.

And I think if you play that series again, I do think the results are different.

I don't know if the Brewers beat the Dodgers.