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We're going to talk about ICE and some of the actions that have been going on in Chicago, which personally I find very disturbing.

One of the ICE agents in Chicago is actually going to be appearing in court, I believe this morning.

to answer some questions about whether or not he is following court orders on not throwing tear gas into neighborhoods willy-nilly.

We'll talk about ICE coming up with Todd Alba after 9.30.

Hour number two, Corrine Hendrickson is going to be here.

Child care, of course, we heard about so much.

That hasn't gone away.

No.

And the funding problems have not gone away.

and parents still need childcare.

Yeah.

She'll be here at 10, 1006 this morning, actually talking about two events, one taking place tonight in Madison to talk about new approaches.

And as I'm going to put in the show notes, new approaches to Americans on how to do healthcare in the state and in this country.

And then a second event for tomorrow talking about funding from Madison for more childcare.

assistance assistance because that is what was done in the budget this year was fine but certainly not enough it was one year and unfortunately as we view if you know anything about korean she is now a former child care provider right she had to close early early development education child care she used to provide that along with a lot of people she closed her doors in august and now she's taking new avenues with with we can

and she will be here in the second hour, so it'll be a great discussion.

She always has a lot to say, there's a lot going on, and we're looking forward to talking to her.

Absolutely.

Last half an hour of the show, as we always do, we lighten it up with a segment we call Audio Sorbet, where we kick things around unrelated to the news and just talk about silly things so we can all take a breath.

We're gonna talk about what did you dislike as a kid, which now you love as an adult.

This comes about because today is National Chocolate Day.

Oh,

doesn't it feel like National Chocolate Day is like nine times a year?

Every, it should be, well, there's chocolate chip cookie day, and then there's probably chocolate cake day.

And the chocolate lobby is strong.

Chocolate lab day.

Yes, they're strong in this country.

So that just got us talking about milk chocolate versus dark chocolate.

I know when I was a kid, I loved milk chocolate.

Yeah, of course you did.

And then as I've gotten older, I loved dark chocolate.

So we're going to talk about what did you not, what did you hate as a kid?

And now as an adult, you're like, oh, yes, give me more of that.

That's our audio sorbet coming up after 1030.

And we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

We're doing Halloween themed this week.

Today it's the Dirty Dancing Edition.

Greg had some suggestions, which did not make it on to the show.

All artistic and all tasteful, I might add.

Thank you very much.

Sure.

That's

coming up at the end of the show.

We did want to start off and acknowledge the passing of Jerry Teff, who was on the WISN Channel 12 in Milwaukee for decades.

And he has passed away at the age of 85.

I know I watched him for years and years and years, along with Kathy Michaelby.

And he.

retired in 2005, moved back to Texas, which is where he was from, and then passed away, apparently yesterday, last night.

I think it's wonderful that he got to have a whole life after he retired.

I

mean, yeah, 20 years of retirement.

That

is fabulous.

And he was, you know,

He was a icon growing up.

He, along with some other people, were just the mainstays of news, especially on television.

They were the trusted people.

Like there was a gravitas, as you said, that when they spoke, you listened and you trusted them.

Another person, you mentioned Kathy Michael.

But another person, John Drilling.

John Drilling on channel six was just one of those guys who just, there was, it just...

Yes, the news you're giving me is the news I need and I trust you and Jerry Taff was one of those guys as well and I really you know When I walked in this morning you said what happened?

Oh, man, that's

Yeah, but again what a what a wonderful life I know he was a big mentor for a whole bunch of kids in journalism programs.

Yeah, he did that for years So well done Jerry Taff in a well a life well lived exactly life well lived.

Here's to better tomorrow's Well said, thank you

Jerry Teff.

We're going to start off with health care.

Not a surprise, this from the Wisconsin Examiner, Eric Gunn with the byline healthcare.gov insurance rates to skyrocket for next year without enhanced subsidies, according to Governor Evers.

The cost for health care purchased on healthcare.gov in Wisconsin could jump anywhere from 45 to 800 percent.

depending upon where you live, according to Governor Evers on Monday, this has made worse, of course, with the end of the enhanced federal subsidies provided in the form of tax credits that helped lower the costs through the marketplace since 2021.

I don't think anybody thinks that Obamacare or the ACA is the ideal.

But we forget what it was like before that.

when insurance companies could deny you if you had a pre-existing condition.

Yes, and they didn't cover things like preventative care.

At all.

No.

And some people, tens of millions, this is a number you heard all the time in 2008 during the election, 45 million people in America were without health care because it was too expensive.

It's not ideal what we have now and I feel like it's eroding slowly and slowly.

day we find new politicians trying to undercut the ACA, but we have it and it's for what it does, it's good.

And it makes healthcare an affordable slash achievable goal.

Yeah.

Again, it's

not perfect.

It's not perfect.

And frankly, I'll say it.

I'll say it.

I'd rather just have a single payer.

I'd rather just have or a public option.

One of the two would be great.

And that was originally from my understanding.

what Obamacare was supposed to be, was supposed to be single-payer, in order to get it passed, they had to, what's that word?

Compromise.

Even though the Democrats had a supermajority at the time,

too.

But they still had to compromise.

It's kind of where we are now.

Where the Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House.

And are yet maintaining, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, said yesterday, we don't control everything.

We're not in charge.

We're not in charge.

You're not.

And look at past clips and news stories about the various shutdowns.

And just as a reminder, this is Trump's third shutdown.

Republicans have been mostly in control in modern shutdowns

over

the past few decades.

By

far.

And it never comes out good for them.

They always look like the fools.

They always look at the perpetrators.

They're always the ones that people point their fingers at.

Now granted, right now, there are a lot of people saying it's Schumer shutdown.

Good job on alliteration.

It just doesn't hold up because you can do a press conference every day which Mike Johnson is doing, but it's just the lies

The lies started with, well, they wouldn't sign a clean CR.

Well, it wasn't a clean CR.

Sorry, it just was not.

But then, and then it moves on to, this is Schumer shutdown.

Then it moves into, we don't have the power to do this.

I mean, it just, it just snowballed to the point where I'm really waiting for one press person to just be like, stand up and go, you're lying.

Stop lying.

And then you throw their credentials down.

Cause they know they're fired, but someone has to stand.

I mean, between the president.

insulting journalists to their faces in press conferences, and Mike Johnson standing at that pulpit, lying every single day about this.

It's just the point where, yeah, you are in charge.

And if you don't think you are, if you... Who do you think is dumb enough to believe it?

Well,

according to my... If you're on Twitter as much as I am, and I'm on it a lot, and there are two different things you can...

two different timelines you can follow.

And one is the following, which where you actually follow people on Twitter and then their content comes up.

The other one is called the For You tab.

That Elon so graciously started when he took over and began to ruin Twitter.

My For You timeline is full of nothing.

but Republicans calling it the Schumer shutdown and blaming Democrats for this shutdown.

It's kind of interesting because a person of some authority had some really hard ideas about whose fault it is when the government shuts down.

Calvin, I believe we have this clip from this person.

Can you play that clip, please?

Who's going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed there is a shutdown of our government?

Well, let me say,

who gets fired?

It always has to be the top.

Does it?

Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top.

Who is talking?

The president's the leader, and he's got to get everybody in a room, and he's got to leave.

You know, the interesting thing is in 25 years and 50 years and 100 years from now,

when the government is, you know, they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States.

Who is the president at that time?

They're not going to be talking who the head of the house was, the head of the Senate, who's running things in Washington.

So I really think the pressure is on the president.

That would be Donald Trump, the president of our country, saying that it is the president's fault if there is a government shutdown.

And he said the president should be the one

bringing people back into a room to negotiate.

And Trump has refused to do that.

We are into the 28th day today.

We are about seven days away from tying the longest one, which was under Trump.

And there is no sign of anything happening.

The Republicans are not there.

Mike Johnson has sent his people home.

There are politicians in Washington trying to get things done.

The guy in charge, the speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, is

not- He has no power.

No power.

I can't do anything.

They have been gone for six weeks now, and again, and I just... He sent them home so they can't swear in Adelida Guajalva, who would vote most likely to release the Epstein files.

The Epstein files are why they went home.

The shutdown is their...

their problem to fix, and the Democrats aren't in as much power as they'd like to make you think.

And it's almost insulting that I just say that out loud, because I feel like I'm insulting everyone's intelligence.

But again, if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes ingrained.

And at least from what I'm seeing on my 4U feed on Twitter, they're hammering that pretty hard.

But all is well, everybody, because they've got plans.

The Republicans have

health care plans.

Calvin, Mike Johnson, talking about that yesterday.

Can you play that clip, please?

And these ideas have been on paper for a long time.

There's volumes of this stuff, volumes of it.

What we're doing right now, what we have been doing, what we were already doing because we knew we were coming up to the end of the year and we know that health care is a major burden for the American people.

We've been working on it since day one of this Congress.

Really?

We worked on it in the years prior.

Yeah.

And we've already demonstrated.

This is not talking points for us.

When we say the Republican Party is the only party that has any chance at fixing health care for the American people, we've demonstrated it.

So you

have power.

We put it into the One Big Beautiful Bill, the Working Families Tax Cut.

As you know, we strengthened the Medicaid program.

We started there.

You started by gutting Medicaid.

Yeah.

That's your plan?

Let's go back.

to when they were gonna repeal and replace?

Remember his first time around?

Yes.

Repeal and replace.

They were gonna repeal and replace Obamacare.

They got to the point of repealing it, which failed.

Thank you, John McCain.

There was never a replacement.

Ever.

No.

Never.

It was two weeks.

We were going to replace it.

concepts of a plan that was that was 2017 that was a few years ago yeah yeah

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We were talking before the break about health care, health care coverage purchased on healthcare.gov in Wisconsin is going to jump Governor Evers predicting anywhere from 45 to 800% increases in health care, depending upon where you live.

Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson says, well, it's all the Democrats fault that the Republicans have pages and pages, Greg.

of a health care plan.

Concepts

upon concepts of plans.

I believe there's a clip related to concepts.

Calvin, do we have that clip, please?

Can you play that?

I have concepts of a plan.

I'm not president right now.

That was during the debate with Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

I'm not president, so why should I tell you anything?

Why should I even be thinking about it if I'm not president yet?

Do we just have concepts?

I have concepts of how I'm going to work out.

But I'm not thin, Jane,

so

why should I bother?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Gene from Old Clare on the line.

Good morning, Gene.

Thanks for joining us.

What do you want to say about this?

Well, thank you so much for kicking my call on his outstanding job as usual.

you know i want to remind people who hold the purse where are the taxpayer dollars going why is he not working for the people of the united states of america why does he run when these issues need to be solved and why do we keep putting in people to represent us who don't give one iota about the people and this happened in wisconsin with scottie walker regime

with federalist society and all these wealthy people who did a lot of problems or caused a lot of problems in wisconsin bad roads they were going to turn some of our roads intact you know uh... tolls yes and it's unbelievable people need to really pay attention because you are being repeated over and over again life and if you hear it enough psychologically this is proven

over and over the same statement the same garbage over and over and over again it sticks and when people ask you why do you think that way you don't have an answer you don't have an answer but you know that by is a bad guy you know that Democrats are bad but you can't tell us why because you've been hoodwinked and people have been utilizing technique to make you think the way that you do so start questioning your own thoughts

And what is really going on here?

Am I getting better health care?

Are they really working for the people with guns and the world and everything else?

And then where's Trump?

There is the president.

Oh, he's

overseas.

He's overseas are playing

golf or, you know, it's

yeah, he's overseas.

By the way, the first president to ever go overseas in the midst of a shutdown.

Well, they're

all getting paid, so it's fine.

That's right.

They are all still getting paid right now.

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We are talking about health care is going to jump dramatically in

the next couple of days.

Have you seen something already coming down the pike if you're taking the ACA or just your health care costs in general?

I mean, we're going to start seeing people.

talking about this.

And if you've already seen the future, let us know.

Well, and the other thing that he's talking about, Donald Trump, the president of the United States is talking about, under Biden, they had removed medical debt from people's credit reports.

Trump's going to reverse that.

Oh, because that's... So if you have medical debt, it's going to be harder for you to get by and get loans and things like that.

Brett from Brown Deer is joining us.

Good morning, Brett.

What did you want to say about this?

Good morning, guys.

Hey, what's driving me nuts is our media.

When he stands up there, calls it the Schumer shutdown.

Where is one media person to say, you don't need one single Democrat to pass the continuing resolution?

It's held up in the Senate.

Senator Thune, and they know it, can call for a one-time vote, take about a half hour to suspend the filibuster.

for the continuing resolution.

They've done it for federal judges.

They've done it many times.

When it's good for them.

But they hang it up on Schumer because it's kitschy sound.

Schumer shut down.

No, you want it shut down so you can fire people.

And because right now with no Congress, they're out for five weeks.

They should only be out for more than three days under Senate permission.

But this gives Trump unlimited power.

He has no checks and ballots.

That's exactly right,

Brett.

You're right, Brett.

And thank you for calling.

But Mike Johnson has pretty much ceded power to Trump anyway.

Mike Johnson has no power.

He can't do anything.

And he also doesn't know it.

anything he's not no one's telling me his own admission i'm not aware of that yeah never read it oh i've been so busy oh did that happen i i didn't know that he said that my word oh my goodness where is my pearls yeah there's a the daily show has an entire compilation of mike johnson saying oh i don't know about that i mean think think about that the people who have access to vast amounts of information that the rest of us can't see

Mike Johnson doesn't know about it.

He's the third in charge.

But he knows.

I know nothing.

Nobody tells me anything.

I know nothing.

I just work here.

Colonel Klink.

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Good morning.

What is going on in your apartment?

I'm here in my apartment.

And let me tell you, this is the only way I can get a man to my apartment these days.

It's the annual filter changing, and the wonderful detail to maintenance folks from the Avante properties, they're in for the annual maintenance, and they come in and they take care of us, and they're changing our filter out.

So A, the furnace works, and B, my allergies aren't that

bad.

Well, that's good.

I

mean, how about that?

I mean, the hardworking folks here getting it done.

Very nice.

So they were scheduled, and so I...

I had to be here

so I just

had to come in.

Well, there he is.

Hello maintenance guys.

J Matt near Matt near an air state wide radio show.

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Thank you very much.

He says hello.

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Todd, we want to deal.

And the good thing is that Katie Couric came with the show and trademarks.

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Well, we get a column for her every day.

So that's that's fantastic.

Does she know about that?

I'm not sure.

But I think she may not.

We wanted to talk a little bit about ice.

and their various actions around the country, particularly in Chicago.

This is from CBS News.

Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino will appear in court today amid complaints about federal agents use of tear gas.

Bovino oversees Border Patrol in Chicago and has been accused himself of tossing tear gas canisters.

into a crowd in the little village neighborhood without justification and also in violation of the judge's order.

The judge had said, you can't do that, essentially, and you're making situations worse.

And after she issued that ruling, he allegedly went and did this anyway.

Before you say your thoughts, Todd, I just want to say really quick, I am personally shocked that this is even happening, having an ICE officer.

in court Because it seems like they've operated with impunity since they hit the ground running that the fact that they're even coming to court in the first place is beyond me But I'm sorry Todd.

Let's what are your thoughts?

No, I mean, I think you're right I think it's a good sign that at least the court system is still functioning on its on its basic level Last night.

I said to my friends there was a

Like a two-minute ad digital ad that was put out by the Lincoln Project in July of last year and It was pretty spooky and it went through a lot of these things that have transpired and are happening today And so when you say I thought when you said it was not a surprise Greg I thought you were gonna say not a surprise where we're at today because I think

a lot of

us that were Trying to warn people and not make it hyperbole to use Jill Biden term

You kind of knew this was coming, or at least unfortunately thought it was coming, and here we are.

And in 2025, you know, less than a year into this second version of the Trump administration.

And what I think is just so sad and tragic is that you have American citizens, people who are here legally being caught up in all this, and you have people at the top.

And let me say like all agencies.

I think there are good people probably within departmental homeland security that have been there for for 10 15 years But now you have people this was the same bond not

by Vino

Thank you, but Vino, you know, you got your bovinos.

We're bojinos.

You're

bon jovies bovina.

All right

Yeah, Bavino, and he has no regard for the law.

I thought this was interesting.

You guys probably saw this, but this morning, and this is really interesting because it was at least one of the first people to break it was this Bill Mulligan.

I don't watch a lot of Fox News, but I think it's notable that even Fox News is reporting this last night and has been confirmed by other more legacy NBC, CBS, Associated Press types, per four senior DHS Department of Homeland Security.

security and Trump administration sources, a mass removal of ICE leadership around the country is underway, with up to 12 ICE field office chiefs being removed and reassigned in an effort to increase deportation number.

And I'll skip down.

It's going to mainly affect Los Angeles, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Denver, El Paso, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, and New Orleans.

And I would encourage everybody to look this up.

Because essentially, to your point, Jane and Greg, they're looking at this bovino guy and saying, that's what we want.

And I didn't know this until I read various articles this morning that ICE, traditionally, even early on in this second Trump 2.0 administration,

is still going after the quote unquote worst the worst people are actually drug dealers and and and severe criminals and look I got no problem going after

those I don't think

anybody does no not at all but it's expanded to to now I didn't know this that the border to home or pardon me the uh like the Customs and Border Patrol agents they're the ones that are carrying out a lot of this stuff that's going viral on on video and on socials where they're just going after the

the penski moving truck where they pulled up to a home depot and opened up and without cap that's actually customer border patrol people including myself thought that was ice so what they're trying to do now my understanding from this new reporting is they're trying to put customer border patrol people

at the head of ICE because the numbers aren't high enough.

And Trump is upset because of this.

Corey Lewandowski and some of these really extreme people within MAGA are pushing this.

Well, they have a quota.

He has a quota.

Stephen Miller has a quota.

They want to deport 3,000 people a day.

That was pretty much out in the open from the very beginning of the administration.

And in order to hit those numbers, you have to grab everybody.

So they're grabbing people who are either in the process People who are citizens people who are citizens.

They're just grabbing everybody and I think what should disturb all of us is there What seems like unwillingness

to even see if these people are criminals.

Well, and that's the thing.

And if you're just joining us on Matt and Aaron here on Civic Media, we are talking to Todd Alba, who is the host of the Todd Alba show weekdays, Monday through Friday, two to four PM right here on the network.

We are talking about an ICE agent appearing in court for violating an order from a judge not to throw tear gas at people.

And I want to go back really quickly, though.

On something you just said Todd as far as the surprise element I said I was surprised that this was even happening in the courts and I am not surprised this is happening at this point and With regard to the matter of oh, yeah, who doesn't want to throw criminals out of the country We should but we criminals should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law They should be thrown out of the country if they're undocumented Those are all reasonable conversations we can have but

It's the people who said well, I didn't vote for this I'm not gonna get in your face and say I told you say but what I'm gonna say is how could you be surprised by this when they really when there's holding signs that say mass deportations now You couldn't have thought this was just going to be about a certain group of a certain group of people So the surprise of people saying well, I didn't expect like you know children to be to to get handcuffed in buildings and I didn't expect

people in the process to be thrown out.

This is not what I voted for.

Well, you kind of did vote for this.

And you shouldn't be shocked that it was a lie because Stephen Miller has never made his opinion quiet on how he feels on this topic.

He's always said that he wants all of them out.

So really, the fact that people can say, you know, are they going too far?

Yeah, but this is what this is what happened.

This is what we should have.

This is what we here on the network talked about when we talked about Project 2025 last year.

And we were told that's not a thing.

Well, here we are, folks.

And luckily, one judge is standing up and doing

something.

Well, but again, we'll see what happens with this, whether or not he's going to follow the guidelines.

And I think, too, depending upon what you watch, you're not going to see some of this stuff, because Fox certainly isn't going to broadcast this.

Neither are OAN and Newsmax.

A federal agent violated the court order against excessive force by pointing a gun in a veteran's face saying, bang, bang, you're dead liberal.

The Chicago headline club, a nonprofit representing journalists in the Chicago area, said this happened in Chicago's little village neighborhood.

Local residents were protesting a large ice presence.

According to the complaint, combat veteran Chris Gentry was lawfully standing on the side of the road voicing his opposition as agents were driving by.

That's when an agent pointed a gun at him and said, bang, bang, you're dead liberal.

This sounds

bad.

I want to go quickly back.

And by the way, I put this Fox News reporting on this change of leadership.

from in DHS.

That was on a tweet, Greg, that was on this Fox News reporter Mulligan.

I put the Guardian, they have been reporting this morning, the

Guardian

story, haven't completely read that, but it's very similar to what Fox is reporting in CNN, ABC, NBC this morning on this leadership change, but also something Greg touched on a couple moments ago.

And in this, in this, some of the reporting I've read this morning, people within

Homeland security in particular custom border patrol agents on deep background and for those though might not know what that means These the source will tell you something, but you can't use their name their title But you can use the fact they gave you so on deep background this person inside the Trump administration literally told this reporter

What did people expect?

What did they think mass deportations meant?

And and and we were we were in the in the hall right the Republican National Committee Convention Hall in Milwaukee last year when there were placards all over the seats all

of

signs that said mass deportations now Yes, I mean if you thought that was some sort of a joke or an election ploy they were unfortunately serious and unfortunately in some cases deadly serious and

Yes, Jane this other story you brought up.

I think there's As someone who works at the lowest level as in a small little town called Richland Center as the chair of the Public Safety Commission Which oversaw our police and fire department even there you're gonna have people all across Wisconsin law enforcement say look There's always water to yahoo's that are aggressive.

They need to be taken a hand and said that's

not the way we do things.

And unfortunately, those small minority of people in law enforcement that are extreme have been elevated in the great positions of power and disrespect for the law.

That's tainting all the other good folks in law enforcement.

Just for every day police officers in Milwaukee, in Waukesha, or Appleton.

We're going to go to break and then we're going to have you call in because you're glitching a little bit.

We're going to continue this conversation.

And Jack, I see you on the line.

We will take you when we.

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He is an attorney in Chicago.

who will share his personal accounts of being detained by ICE for eight hours that is coming up with Maggie in the five o'clock hour today across the network.

We've been talking about ICE, ICE particularly in Chicago and some of these sure seems like egregious over over reactions to protesters.

Jack from Merrimack has been waiting very patiently.

Good morning, Jack.

What did you want to say?

Good morning.

Well, I got a bit of a rant this morning because we've got, is what we've got.

We have armed masked agents, claiming to be from the government, but either unable

or

unwilling to show any kind of ID.

They are wearing uniforms you could buy or rent at a costume shop.

They are probable cause for picking up people as either ethnicity, according to scotically.

Yep.

Or, or, or do you have a, do you have a cat too?

No, I don't, but there are a lot of people that do these things.

And, uh, you, what does the, you just a few years ago, what would this be called?

I think the term is kidnapping.

Um, this is, these guys are, this is crazy.

Yeah.

Well, it's

not an American.

And also Jack, this is.

These are the things that we, this is the thing I grew up listening to the US media news outlets talking about countries that had dictators who were disappearing, the enemies disappearing, the disliked and doing whatever they will with them, whether it's deportation, execution, hiding them away.

But this is something that we grew up thinking happened in other lesser places and that is happening here now.

And the defenses from some for it is reprehensible, but

Again, it's about...

It's about judges like this, the one we're talking about who's saying there needs to be at least some standards.

You can't just go around doing whatever you want.

And also I agree.

The mask thing is disturbing.

It's terrifying.

Thank you, Jack.

Appreciate it.

Todd Alba is here.

Our friend and colleague and host of the Todd Alba program from two to four across the network.

I want to share this with you too, Todd.

We were talking about this neighborhood in Chicago over the weekend.

There is a running group in Chicago.

cargo that posted on social media.

One of our athletes was on his way home from a long run yesterday.

As he turned onto his block, he found that Border Patrol had blocked the road.

Agents threatened to break out his windows if he didn't move his car.

Before he could act, they pulled him out of his car, knelt on his back, subdued him.

He never resisted.

He broke six ribs.

This man broke six ribs.

Uh, Jane, you and I have talked about offline.

Um, yeah, I, I told, um, our producer Xamarin's yesterday.

So we should really start a segment at the end of the show called, here's what we didn't get to today.

And I mean, because there, there are stories like this, unfortunately, every single day right now in America.

And what you just read that account, sadly, that's not unique.

And it's happening all across America.

And.

I'm glad that shows like yours and occasionally ours could touch on this to make people aware.

But I think there's also a sense of from the general listener out there is like, okay, but what do I do about it?

And I think the important thing is for people to remember, I hope, assuming that we have legitimate midterm elections next fall, get out and vote.

Get out and vote I mean you can have all the protests you want and I think that's great in terms of knowing we're not alone and for community But it's actually not going to change anything unless people go to vote and on the left that means no more of oh What about Gaza?

I can't bring myself to vote for the lesser two evils vote on the right It means don't vote and say well, but I think it'd be better for the economy

You have to vote for, for sanity.

People are going to stand up for the constitution.

It's not zero sum or it shouldn't be.

Guess what?

You're not going to get everything you want, but we have to start electing people in the midterms to Congress who are going to uphold the law and the constitution.

Period.

Full stop.

We, yeah.

We at the, at the very least upholding the constitution as far as checks and balances, where we have, if not the Senate, at least the house, who will say, we're going to do everything we can to stop this agenda.

Just if it,

even have to just stop things.

But I don't just agree with you, Todd.

Well, I guess the other thing that I want to share because we don't have a whole lot of time left, Todd.

You know, deportations happened under Obama and also happened under President Biden.

They did deportations too.

Yes.

They didn't do this.

They did them legally.

They

did them legally.

They gave people do.

process.

There's another story.

We're not even going to have a time to talk about a mega devotee, Roberto Mosquera, thought Trump would unify the country.

It turns out that they deported him and they sent him to this country in Africa I have never heard of.

Right.

This is what's happening.

The cruelty is the point, right?

It's meant to send a message.

It's meant to intimidate

It's meant to and that's why I think the things like the no kings protests are important because it shows that we're not going to Sit back and just take it.

That's why I think governor Pritzker in Illinois is is you'll punch them in the nose We're not going to take this and so I think those things are are important, but I think people Unfortunately better buckle up especially this new reporting because of the new monies in the in the in the budget now and in this change of leadership at the top of ice

You know, as the late great John McCain was fond of saying, remember, boy, everything was darkest just before it all goes pitch black.

Oh, thanks, Todd.

We're going to close on that happy note.

Join Todd Alba this afternoon from two to four across the network.

He joins us every other week.

Thank you so much, my friend.

Take care.

We'll see you soon.

Bye bye.

Bye bye.

News is coming up next.

When we return, we're going to talk about childcare with Kareen Hendrickson.

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We will lighten it up with a segment that we call Audio Sorbet, where we get away from the news, talk about lighter, sillier things so we don't all crack up.

Today, today we're going to talk about what did you like as a kid and now as an adult, you like something else or what did you hate as a kid?

Yeah.

And now, as an adult, you like it.

This springs from today's National Chocolate Day.

And we started talking about milk chocolate versus dark chocolate.

And I very much feel there is a generational gap there.

Get

ready for a walker or a fist to come out this guys, because I feel like a gripe is coming.

And

then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this.

Shouldn't be a thing.

We are doing Halloween themed tis bets this week.

Today it is the Dirty Dancing Edition, so stay tuned for that.

Right now, we are delighted to be joined by Corrine Hendrickson.

She is the co-founder of Wisconsin Early Childhood Action Needed.

Good morning, Corrine.

It's good to see you.

How are you?

Good morning.

I am well.

And to follow up from the last time, I still haven't gone major grocery shopping, FYI.

You haven't?

You haven't gone major grocery?

Yeah, so I've gone to get like the basics, but I haven't had to actually go shopping shopping still since the last time I was on

Wow, you've been stocking up well then.

Is it like an underground bunker with like seven years of soups?

Not quite seven years.

Well, I applaud that kind of preparation.

Yeah, yeah, kind of

prep.

Absolutely.

Well, there is something going on in Madison tonight.

We've been talking a lot about childcare and

It just seems like with everything else that's going on in the world, that's one of those things that has fallen on the list of priorities.

This is still a big issue in Wisconsin and across the country with people struggling to afford childcare or even find childcare.

Because like you had to, you had to close yours.

Yeah, yes, definitely.

And also with everything that's coming down, a lot of people that work in childcare, the educators themselves rely on food stamps.

We rely on the Affordable Care Act.

And so also part of the work I do with Wisconsin Early Childhood Action Needed is we're in contact constantly with providers across the state and almost

every group center has at least one or more employees that they might lose because they won't have access to health care anymore or that they're worried about not being able to feed their own children and their own families next month when the food stamps don't come through and so this all still is impacting and then the families that we're providing the care for they're the ones not accessing it so we're trying to find resources for them and connect them and get them you know food pantry do a lot of programs are doing things on their own to try and like become a hub and so

Back to childcare is so important.

It's a foundational community place for people to get access to programs and to have access to those other things.

I think it's really, really important that we repeat what you just said.

because there is this trope.

And again, I see this on social media, some of the things that I follow.

Everybody who gets snapped is a lazy butcher who has never worked and they're living high on the hog, apparently having filet mignon and lobster all the time.

And there are plenty of working people who use both snap and are also on the ACA.

There are a lot of farmers who are on the ACA.

Absolutely, and when you make $13.66 on average as a child care educator, you're qualifying.

Full stop.

Family child care is $7.42 an hour.

Most qualify.

Unless they have a spouse that makes enough, that's what they're accessing, or they're under 26 because they can still be on their parents.

Sorry, my dog's

barking.

Your dog is very upset about this too.

Yes, your dog is not happy.

You tell him.

He's never done that before.

Yeah.

So,

yeah.

Oh, she's going to go.

She's going to go.

Okay.

All right.

Cool.

I mean, and that was exactly Jane.

What I was going to say too is that there has been a push from the right to demonize and vilify anyone who takes a benefit by just saying they are lazy.

They don't deserve it.

It's fraud.

They're moochers and really when it comes down to it is these are benefits that are

available to many people and they these benefits know no region they know they they know definitely how much you make a year but these are the these are the these affect small business owners farmers everyone that politicians like to hold up on a pedestal and say they're the backbone of our country well the backbone also needs help and when you vilify the programs and then threaten to and or cut them the backbone is going to get

caught out as well.

And so we're not seeing viable solutions.

And that's something we're going to talk about a little later as far as funding that you saw with childcare funding in the budget.

But it's the narratives that are being pushed that force people to one side of the aisle or the other.

And that is the frustrating thing because talking to Will Westmoreland, who's a farmer in Missouri, he's like, I need the ACA.

The childcare industry needs this funding.

People who work at Walmart need the ACA and food stamps.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

So tonight we'll say going nicely.

There you go.

There you go.

Well

done.

So tonight we're going to be presenting the National Association for Family Child Care, created a documentary last summer, and I'm one of the four providers talking about the importance of childcare, what we do for the community, how we care for and educate the next generation, but also partner with parents.

And so we're presenting that, but then also talking about the Danish model, because in Finland in the 50s or 60s, they put it together.

It's very comprehensive.

The provider gets paid X amount of dollars to take care of three children in their home and the government pays off the top 30% of the bills for the house and everything like that.

So that's kind of their operational.

costs.

Okay, you might say.

But then also they get together once a week.

And then because they're contracted with the state, not the parents, if a provider is sick or has to go to an appointment, the other providers in the area will pick up those kids that they have space.

Because you're not dealing with different parents and contracts and dollars, it's just this is part of the service.

And then those providers get together once a week.

So the kids all know each other.

And they meet in a community hub.

And so tonight, we're going to talk about what if and wouldn't it be great the

The other thing is it's not punitive.

So if a parent is running late, they don't get in trouble from their licensor for not being closed on time, operating out of their hours.

No, the provider calls their licensor.

The licensor calls the parent and the parent's employer and says, why aren't they here?

And so they're the ones holding it accountable because it's not our fault.

You know, as the child care program, the parent doesn't show up.

It's like, you don't know, right?

You don't know.

And so they really work as partnership and tandem and respect the child care professionals for what they do.

And so we're going to talk about how we could maybe make that happen here in the United States as part of a comprehensive universal system.

This meeting is happening tonight from six to seven 30 at 14 18 van highs at UW Madison.

It's free.

Do people have to sign up?

Karina, can they just show up?

No, they absolutely can just show up.

Great.

And I put in the show notes.

the WeCan Facebook page as well.

So people can go to that Facebook page they can see the information on it and just follow the group and talk about and find out what you all are talking about because this is just for WeCan is just one facet of what you all do with your organization.

And really quick for people who don't know, can you give us a brief history of the creation of WeCan?

Because here's the thing, folks, what you need to know about Karine is that she does everything all the time, almost all at once.

She's never not doing something.

So the fact that like,

You wear all these hats is no surprise to me, but this is an important organization.

You've been a part of can you tell us about the roots?

Yeah, so in 2020, my colleague and co-founder Brooke Legler, she owns a group center here in Nuglaris.

We got together after presenting No Small Matter at the Capitol with Senator Erpenbach, and we had started doing those presentations across the state.

So we started with a group of people already.

We had a network that we kind of were working on and then COVID hit.

And then everybody was looking to us as a trusted resource because our Department of Children and Families did not have a mailing list of all of us to get old.

It was a really weird, like, a few of us knew things, and so we would try to disseminate that information between us, WCA, SFTA, and other supports.

Our licensors didn't even have all our emails.

So that's how it's changed.

It's better.

But...

We created because the schools were getting all of these resources and they weren't even open.

And we had the kids and we weren't getting the resources.

The school that shipped the PPE, we did not.

And so we worked with the department and pushed back and said, hey, and so then they ended up partnering us with the schools.

Most of us, the school said yes, and then we went to the school to pick up the things to take back.

We worked basically started as advocacy between child care professionals.

We expanded then as COVID continued and funding started coming.

We expanded to include parents.

We expanded to include other business owners and employers and community members because they all started to realize.

what it is that childcare does for everyone.

And so our group went from a couple hundred people on a mailing list.

Luckily at the time, everything online was like, we learned Zoom, we learned YouTube.

And it really helped us bring people together from across the state, especially in the rural area.

Most of our 2000 dish members are from the rural area because they are more isolated, have fewer resources, don't have those connections with other providers like you do in the earth, in, you know, Dane County and Milwaukee County, because there's just more of them.

that way.

And so we're very, very rural and we educate people on the political process.

We educate people on what's out there.

The biggest thing we do though is help people understand it doesn't have to be this way.

It could be different.

And our culture as a society, lower you make the lower your worth.

And so really building up people, parents and others and providers that we are valuable and we deserve to be listened to.

And so that's kind of

what we've been doing.

And I think that's something that you just brought up now that we've been talking about for a long time, as far as protecting and making sure those folks in the rural areas are looked after, helped, given resources, connection.

If you're just joining us, by the way, I'm Matt Naranair.

We're speaking to Kareen Hendrickson, who's the co-founder of Wisconsin Early Childhood Action Needed, also known as WeCan.

And there's going to be an event tonight in Madison talking about childcare approaches that will be in the show notes because

Korean that's something we I mean every it seems like every decision that's being made coming out of Washington and or Madison is about how the rural areas are going to be hit and hurt by it so it's groups like yours that really come together and say if they're not going to protect us we got to protect us too because whether it's closure of hospitals closure of schools and no access to and I want to say is early development childcare because that's what you

And that's what you do.

That's the industry.

It's not daycare.

No, daycare is great.

Don't get me wrong.

But it's a different thing.

But this is school.

This is education.

This is getting your kids ready for life.

And when rural folks don't have access to it, they don't know where to turn to.

Thankfully, you and other people have resources available.

Yeah, absolutely.

And that's our goal is to help educate and empower people.

And not only do we care for and educate the children, but we're partnering with those parents.

Those parents 99% have never held a baby.

I swear these days because the families are smaller and they just haven't had my own husband never held a baby until almost when ours was born.

I had a cousin born.

Yes, I'm that much older than my youngest cousin.

And you know, held the first baby of his life in his mid 20s.

I'm like, what is this?

Did

he

hold the baby out like this?

Like, I don't know what to do.

Hold it like

a football.

He kind of did.

sweaty

oh that's cute i know it's

so

cute

know, but that's part of it is we're partnering with parents and we're a resource.

So when they need diapers, we know where to go when they need they have a question about child development, we can assure them.

Yes, your child's doing greater.

Oh, we've noticed that too.

This is what we should do next.

And when you don't have that and parents feel isolated, that's when scary sad things happen.

And also just that isolation, the mental health, all of those types of things.

And so that's part of what we do is we also try to provide resources for people trainings on special education and we're very member driven.

We're to continue

conversation with Corrine Hendrickson of We Can.

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Our guest is Corrine Hendrickson, the co-founder of the Wisconsin Early Childhood Action Needed, and we're talking about a couple of meetings that you can attend.

But before we get to that, we want to do some clarification.

You were talking about the Danish model.

It was actually called something else.

Korean, right?

Yeah.

So I am sad Finland.

I met Denmark.

Okay.

So

that's,

so that's cleared up.

My question is, what do they, what do they see as the value of these programs in Denmark that we're missing here?

So what we're missing here is the fact that

Children are respected and honored and actually not just political pawns.

They actually put the programs into place and families.

So they have robust paid family medical leave.

They have robust paid leave, you know, throughout a person's life.

And they also have higher minimum wages and just quality of life in general.

And so it's the values of that.

the Scandinavian countries that are really coming through and Wisconsin does have a lot of those roots.

Like we had the very first four-year-old kindergarten because we have the German Scandinavian roots in our country and our culture and so that is still here and that's our sense of community and that's why we pull together so often as needed and necessary but you can't do that to fill in all the gaps when our government is refusing to do their part.

Well and it just kills me when I hear JD Vance and Dr. Oz talking about how the USA is under

and we need more babies and why aren't women having six and eight children?

Because it's expensive and they need things like childcare.

Yeah, and even the health insurance.

If you don't have health insurance, if you have, you know, your health insurance, you're spending 20 to 50,000 to have the baby.

It just seems like we were talking about this in the commercial when we were discussing the Finland versus Danish versus all those countries and those all of those nations over there and that is Scandinavia.

All those, they have a basic idea that the investment on their people.

will yield results for the country, the economy, and also another thing too, morale of the people.

One of the things that people in other countries enjoy, and don't get at me saying the healthcare is broken, there's a discussion we had, but people feel safe knowing that they're not gonna have to go bankrupt getting childcare or healthcare, and that provides a sense of high morale as well as pride in your country.

So I think looking at these options for what you're doing tonight in Madison,

Kareen is definitely a good start to a conversation about what can be done to change things for the better, especially for our kids who apparently are important to us.

We've been told by politicians they're important, but we love babies.

We love babies, but once they're born, I don't have time for them.

Yeah, absolutely.

So yeah, so tonight we're going to need to be starting the conversation, but what could be tomorrow there is an event in Greenfield, Wisconsin, where it's a public forum because SB 322 was introduced for $480 million direct payments to continue childcare counts when.

Senator Mark Lyne and Representative Bourne took child care counts out of the budget.

And so the week of action that you guys covered that we were up at the Capitol, that's what came out of it.

But that bill has been sitting in the committee since that.

And so Senator Carpenter.

is actually on that committee.

And so he or not Senator Larson, sorry, is on the committee and Senator Carpenter lives over there.

And so they've agreed to hold a public forum where we have the opportunity to come in and state why this is so important to have this funding come through.

And that's what we're going to be talking about.

So this funding is a down payment.

It is not the solution.

It is to keep programs going to raise wages a little bit to help with some of that tuition coming down.

But we actually

also want to look towards an employer contribution.

I saw a lot of comments that employers should be paying.

Well, what employers can pay?

You know, which ones?

Small businesses can't, your farmers can't, your non-profits can't, your government entity, well, that's the taxpayers, right?

So we're looking at what Vermont did and what they did is they called it an employer contribution and it's 0.05% of okay roll tax that is paid by the employer.

on behalf of their employees and themselves.

And that doubled in Vermont the amount of money each program received so that they could pay their people better, be more solvent.

And they have seen an exponential increase in a year of the number of providers that exists.

The teacher's turnover has gone down.

You know, it's so weird how that works, right?

Isn't that

odd?

Yeah.

And then your small businesses like your farmers or your sole proprietors, they only pay 0.011.

because they're not going to be using as much.

And so it's far more affordable for them as well.

And so we've talked with our partners, Farmers Union, Main Street Alliance, other small business groups and even some larger businesses and they've done the math and like this is super, super cheap and it would do this and we're like, yes.

And it's working in Vermont.

So I pushed back on the idea of employer tax credits and things like that because you're basically giving money to the businesses to do the right thing.

and then still not supporting the childcare programs and the teachers because it's replacing money.

So yes, it helps the parents a little bit, but not really because it's not increasing the revenue in any way to meaningfully make change.

And so I pushed back on the tax credits because why are we putting a middleman in here?

Why are we making it so that the wealthy and well connected can access

this?

Because then they're gonna get all the spots and what happens to everybody else.

And so we need to build a system from the bottom up that's inclusive of everyone and stop putting in these, you know,

bills just to make it look like they're doing something

exactly

their bills are good for a press conference

yeah and I the one thing I do want to say is and we think

We are not against protesting in public.

I was at the No Kings protest,

the last

one.

But if you are feeling like, what can I do?

Go to meetings like this.

That's something that you

can

do and get educated

about

it.

So then when you go back to your community, you can explain to other

people, it's really important.

And both tonight's event and Madison tomorrow's event at the Greenfield Public Library, if I'm not mistaken, are going to be in the show notes.

And if you can't be at the event tomorrow night, you can submit comments via

the link that will be on the show notes as well.

So you can still let your voice be heard, even if you can't make it.

Protesting is great, but also voicing your opinion is necessary in this process.

Call your lawmakers, myvote.wi.gov.

They love to hear from you.

Corrine Hendrickson with Weekend has been our guest.

Thank you so very much, Corrine.

Take care.

We'll see you soon.

Thanks.

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Get away from the news.

Hopefully have a couple laughs.

Haha

done better than that Today is national chocolate day everybody I'm convinced this day

happens like 30 times

the chocolate lobby is very strong And so we were talking about milk chocolate versus dark chocolate mm-hmm

When I was a kid, I loved milk chocolate.

That was the only thing you can get me near dark chocolate.

Can't get enough of milk chocolate.

And now I love dark chocolate and I wouldn't eat milk chocolate.

Not at all?

Not if I can avoid it.

Okay.

No.

I feel like if you like dark chocolate, which I do, I love dark chocolate.

It's almost like you have to seek it out too because I think that I'm trying hard.

I don't feel like

I don't feel like big chocolate sponsors the

show.

Big chocolate is yet to be a sponsor of our show.

Although Nestle does own like 95% of the world.

I feel like when they say, when it's a big label and they say dark chocolate, it's not really dark chocolate.

It's still sweet because good dark chocolate should have a certain bitterness to it.

Well, it depends upon the amount of cocoa.

Yeah.

What do you, like, 65%, 72%?

I would say 65% is probably pretty

good.

And between 65% and 72%.

And then after that, you're like, this is Baker's chocolate.

Get out of my face.

Yeah.

And I

did

that once as a kid.

My

father did that to me once as a child.

That was

hilarious.

I thought it was, I found the greatest thing in my mother's kitchen.

And I found that Baker's chocolate.

And I thought,

I'll show her.

I'm gonna get some candy and I took a big bite out of that baker's chocolate.

That was the one and only time I ever did that.

I'll tell you that.

So this guy is talking about things that we grew to like as adults.

So I love milk chocolate as a kid.

Now I love dark chocolate.

I hated carrots as a kid.

And now I like them.

But that has to do with prep.

Yeah, I mean

that has to do with prep.

That's another thing we discussed.

It's that you know When I was young milk chocolate was the thing the bird was the word and I loved milk chocolate and don't try to give me dark because I had the same Experience you did only came from my father who was a slight prankster.

He'd be like, hey, do you want some chocolate?

I'm like, of course I am I'm a 10 year old and I'm chubby of course I want chocolate and I chopped down and I'm like And it just came it was like it was like some morsels.

Yes

morsels morsels uh and they just come dropping out of my face but i'm like what are you doing like that's baker's chocolate like i don't know what that means yeah that man has no reference

for you he

did the same thing to me with buttermilk

He's like, do you want a glass of milk?

I'm like, of course I do.

I'm a chubby 10 year old.

Give me milk and give me chocolate.

And I drank the buttermilk.

I'm like, oh, what is it?

He goes, it's buttermilk.

I'm like, you're a terrible person.

Why did you do that to

me?

He was a low key prankster.

Didn't get big.

But if you saw the moment.

The gleam, you could