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I don't even know where to start.
I
heard there was no news coming from the world of law.
What's his amicus which is on Saturdays 9 to 11 here in civic media It's just gonna be recipes.
Yeah, and he's gonna talk about his favorite pastries and pretzel bites and oh, yes He discovered pretzel bites.
So nothing's going on.
It's freewheeling easy sailing Jane.
Nothing's happening, right?
No,
we're probably gonna talk among many other things with Jim Santel who was a former US attorney and is still an acting
A lawyer a US attorney
by the way, I just want to say this to under five presidents five different president five different presidents I think that's important to say just to show that this is a man who upheld the Constitution regardless of who was in power I think now is as good a time as ever to instill that information.
Yeah, good reminder there We will talk among other things about apparently the USA's new habit of blowing boats out of the water and then
We're sending two people back.
Yeah, we didn't kill them.
No, we're not bringing them back here to face charges But we're just gonna let him go home apparently Yeah, so we'll talk about that We're also gonna talk about a whistleblower from the Defense Department or from the Department of Justice rather and the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Yes, remember him
This is the man who the Trump administration maintained was a member of MS-13 and therefore that justified his deportation and this insider at the Justice Department refused to sign off and was fired for it.
Those are just among the few things that we're going to cover with Jim Santel.
There's not nearly enough time.
And if we could possibly get to it, the fact that now the president wants $230 million from us.
From us.
From us.
For his
convenience, for his felonies.
Yeah.
So Jim Santel joining us after 9.30.
Next hour.
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Of
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We want to start off though with a discussion that happened yesterday in Madison, medical marijuana.
Still being kicked around here in Wisconsin, this from the Milwaukee Journal's Sentinel, Laura Schulte has the byline, Wisconsin Medical Marijuana Bill draws impassioned support, but still faces numerous obstacles.
Dozens of people were in Madison yesterday testifying in support of legalizing medical marijuana, sharing some personal stories about it.
Lawmakers debated whether provisions in a bill before the Senate Committee on Health
are strict enough in order to get GOP support in both the Assembly and the Senate.
This article says they've been wary of legalizing cannabis.
I would say they've been a pretty firm no on legalizing cannabis in any form.
Yeah, right?
We it's not that tough.
It really isn't.
As we've stated before, folks, Iowa has medical or medical marijuana.
Minnesota, Michigan, and Illinois have both medical and recreational.
Iowa has medical marijuana.
We are literally an island.
We are.
And we, and first of all, second of all, if we wanted to legalize it, we could just legalize it.
All these other states have done it.
It's not as tough as they're making it sound.
There's not as much head scratching and harrumping and hmm, chin wagging that needs to happen.
No, you can do this.
There's plenty.
of examples out there to show a simple way of legalizing medical marijuana in Wisconsin.
Well,
right.
Couldn't we just go to other states and ask them how they implemented this and what, you know, what, what safeguards they put in so it doesn't, you know, so it runs correctly.
We think we could talk to other states.
I'll bet you if we didn't even talk to other states, there are lobbying firms and consultants and experts who could go in.
I mean, I know that, I know that.
lawmakers in Madison, especially the GOP, love to go to certain organizations and have them just write bills for them.
They do.
We could just go to a legalization lobbying firm and say, hey, we want to make a comprehensive, balanced.
marijuana legalization bill that has these provisions.
Can you write that up for us?
We'll go over the aspects, debate it in committee, put it up for a vote and we'll go from there.
But no, they make it seem like we're trying to solve is one plus one actually to we have questions.
This is ridiculous because in the meantime, my friends and family, not me and I'm serious because I don't do it.
I just don't.
I'm not good at it.
But my friends and family are taking their
money directly to other states and spending it in and then those states are enjoying the taxes we pay on it because we're not getting bupkiss
from it.
I will say that I have gone to some dispensaries in Illinois merely for research.
Scientific research, folks.
Of course.
And it's full of Wisconsin
plates.
Drive to the Pleasant Prairie Outlet Mall.
You drive seven seconds further south.
It's like five dispensary billboards saying, come on in, guys.
We got you.
We're right here.
We got you.
We're right on the
other side
of the board.
We are missing out.
And just medical marijuana, so much tax revenue.
And they're making it seem like this is the most difficult thing.
And what will happen, Jane, if we do this?
Everyone will get it.
Well,
and it's not just about the tax money.
It is about giving relief to people who are fighting cancer and other illnesses There were people who testified about this Saying why isn't this done and will include this story in the show notes if you want to read the story But I think it's important to read about some of the testimony
that they heard.
Nora Lowe is 17 years old.
She lives in Merrimack.
She has Rett syndrome, which requires her to speak via text to voice technology.
So she testified yesterday, 17-year-old girl, I have many friends with Rett syndrome.
They have access to medical cannabis.
My friends who have medical cannabis actually sleep through the night and see extensive relief from painful muscle spasms
Why can't I get relief for mine?
She also said, it's weird that every lawmaker I meet with Democrat or Republican, they all agree that people like me deserve access to medical cannabis, yet we are still in the same place we were when I was 10 years old.
She's 17.
And you want to just talk about
one group of people.
I mean, like you can the for the elderly or for those who have cancer for this young lady who just thank you.
I don't you're not listening.
I'm sure right now, but thank you for speaking up to our lawmakers.
That's the way we tell them what we're thinking.
We make our voices heard, but also just
the vets out there who utilize some form, whether it's micro dosing, whether it's marijuana, for PTSD, for PTSD, for all the things they go through that affect them specifically for what they have done for our country.
That is an important part of not their good time fun.
It's part of their medical and healing journey.
It's important and they shouldn't have to drive to Michigan, to Minnesota or Illinois to get.
Access to this and I know there are people out there who have very staunch opinions saying I don't think this is the right move and I understand that Usually when I hear that from people it's based on a personal Instance someone in their in their family maybe flawed addiction which I understand me to completely but that for me then I say we do not
make alcohol legal.
And there are many people who have addiction in their life from alcohol.
I'm not discounting their journey.
I'm not discounting their pain and suffering, but we can't use these small individual experiences to completely blot out everybody else on top of the fact that
The one of the reasons why this isn't getting done is because every time the GOP wants to put forth a bill They want to make it so difficult to access that it's almost almost pointless.
It's going to die in the opacity assembly It'll it won't even be brought up in the Senate, but the last time they tried to do this They said something in the effect that they wanted five state-run buildings throughout the state that would dispense and you had had to be like three or four ailments where the only one is allowed, right?
Now it came back around and we talked about last time.
IBS is now on there.
Right,
because apparently
some Republican lawmaker must be suffering
from that.
It might be a Democrat.
IBS knows no party.
Could
be.
Yeah, that's true.
Senator Patrick Teston, who is a Republican from Stevens Point, said at the hearing, it is time to allow medical marijuana in Wisconsin.
He shared a story about how his family went outside state law.
to provide marijuana to his grandfather after he was diagnosed with cancer that metastasized to bone cancer.
Senator Teston said it gave him his appetite back.
It gave him time.
He probably otherwise would not have had.
This story is not unique to my family.
We've heard this from countless families, which is why I think it's time for us to enact a sensible marijuana medical cannabis program here in the state.
And this is one of those topics, medical marijuana access, or just marijuana access, gun safety measures, abortion, all of these things that are in the state and in the country, it is always 65, 70, 75% agree that this should be accessible.
We should be enforcing these safety measures.
We should be doing these things.
They're they qualify as no-brainers, but yet we have politicians who instead of listening to the people and they are as Senator Capunga said they are the voice of the people he said in an interview if the voice of the people are saying do this then you must reflect the voice of the people Make it just do it.
It's not this tough.
I'll think of life But as you see just pointed out a whole bunch of things that the public seems to agree on by a pretty Large margin and yet they're like nope.
Yes, we don't care
Again, it's Robin Voss's money.
You are not Robin's money.
And we're just a lot.
We're just lucky if we get to maybe see it.
And PJ on the live stream says, and this is not just Robin Voss, but if the if our representatives are not being the true voice of the people, it is time to find better representatives and vote them in my vote.wi.gov.
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There's a lot going on.
But we wanted to just spend a little time on this as the complete destruction now of the East Wing of the White House is underway.
Yes.
Pretty much.
This is not what the president of the United States originally said when he was talking about his big blob of a billionaire ballroom.
Calvin, let's play that clip from the president of the United States talking about the ballroom, please.
It'll be built over on the east side and it will be beautiful.
It'll be views of the Washington Monument that wanted to fear with the current building.
I won't be.
It'll be.
near it, but not touching it and pays total respect to the existing building, which I'm the biggest fan of.
It's my favorite.
It's my favorite place.
I love it.
As my favorite building, I really love the building.
Yeah, it's gone.
That was a lie.
Yeah.
They're tearing it down completely tearing down the east wing of the of the White House.
Yeah.
That'll jump.
According to the New York Times.
initially said the ballroom would not dismantle parts of the White House.
His officials now say it's cheaper to simply demolish the East Wing.
Speaking of cost, it was originally $200 million.
That's now up to three.
Yep.
$300 million.
Of course, he's gonna pay, he and his rich buddies are gonna pay for it since they're gonna be the only ones who get to go in it.
Yeah.
And
there are rich people who are a part of
this.
Yes,
the Winklevoss twins, their big donors, Adelson family, their big donors, Peter Teal's company, Palantir,
their
big donors, CNN posted a list of all the donors to the big billionaire ballroom.
If you've seen pictures of this destruction of the White House, it's horrifying.
Yeah.
It's really horrifying.
You would have thought that they would have least have taken out some of the pieces of the building before they started destroying it.
No.
No.
You save some of these architectural features.
This is historic.
These are historic buildings.
Yeah.
These are our buildings.
Yep.
Yeah.
They're the people's buildings.
The east wing of the house primary.
I'm just reading this off of because people hear about the west wing all the time.
But they don't know what the East Wing really does.
It's office space for the first lady.
She's in Florida and or New York and her staff, public and visitor entrance, a venue for social and official functions.
I guess a venue not big enough for the president and his love of gold.
It also housed the White House Family Theater and importantly located atop a secure underground emergency operation center.
The East Wing is currently being demolished.
Yeah, completely demolished.
But Jane, the president said,
some time ago that nothing would be touched.
He loves the White House.
He loves the
East
Wing for one reason.
It's his favorite part of the building.
Here is what Donald Trump said yesterday.
Again, he originally said, we're not touching the East Wing.
It'll be adjacent.
It'll be close.
But I love that building.
We'll save it.
Calvin, let's play clip number two, please, on the big billionaire ballroom.
Your response to people who say that
you haven't been transparent enough about this?
I haven't been transparent?
Really?
I've shown this to everybody that would listen.
Third-rate reporters didn't see it because they didn't look.
You're a third-rate reporter, always have been.
So third-rate reporters didn't look, but anybody that asked, these pictures have been in newspapers?
They've been all over the place and, you know, we're very proud of it.
It's gotten great reviews.
It's
gotten
really great
reviews.
Who's giving
reviews?
Yeah.
Where is he getting reviews from people?
Some people, people, some people, people who've given him money.
Some people are giving reviews.
All the people love it.
We love the reviews.
It's like Amazon.
It's like a five star review on Amazon.
Um, he's a liar and he has destroyed the White House and this will not, I mean,
What stops him from saying, I don't like any of this.
We're starting over
from
nothing.
And the biggest part is that there is not one Republican lawmaker who will stand up and say anything about this.
Except maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Well, yes, her.
That's a whole nother discussion.
But Joe Walsh has a big column about this.
As far as all of the boys and girls in the Republican Party, no one will come out and say that this is wrong.
That's.
really dangerous because they're cowards.
Yes, they're cowards.
Just in case you're listening and you don't like us, don't throw 1940s reconstruction on me.
Do not talk about the renovation of the White House from the Truman years because that was to ensure its safety because it was standing on.
It was structurally unsound.
It was structurally unsound.
It had steel backing and that was to get the security and just make sure it wasn't going to fall on top of people.
different.
This is a madman king who wants a ballroom made of gold so he can have parties and be worshiped and these Republican lawmakers are saying nothing are complicit in collards.
Might be
a
good
day
to give him a call.
You should totally do
that.
Myvote.wi.gov.
Myvote.wi.gov.
Go there, plug in your address.
All of your elected officials phone numbers will come up.
All their contact information.
Let's call our Republican House members.
We know they're off.
Yeah, they're doing nothing.
They're doing nothing right now.
Well, they're having press conferences, too.
Oh, that's
right.
They are
doing that.
They're too busy lowering health care
crimes.
Let's
call Brian Stile and...
Oh, Scott Fitzgerald and Derek Van Orden.
And let them know how happy we are that they're just letting Donald Trump destroy the White House.
Be careful when you tell Derek Van Orden anything.
He may yell at you.
He likes to yell at people.
Oh, by the way, Sue from Franklin says, well, since the East Wing houses the first lady's office is they don't really need it anymore, since she's not there.
Kaboom!
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We are waiting to be joined by our friend and colleague, Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 across the network.
He is still a working attorney.
He
is.
So he's in court right now, should just be wrapping up, but he will be joining us in just a moment or two.
Did want to start off talking about this though.
And I think like so many things.
This just didn't get a lot of attention.
CBS 60 minutes, still on on Sundays, still on, still reporting so
far.
God.
So far.
Honestly, I got this little spark of hope when I'm thinking about what 60 minutes alone has gone through this year, losing their longtime producer because he wouldn't capitulate to the whims of Donald Trump and Paramount.
Paramount actually.
Yeah, Paramount is the one that did it.
But the fact that, the fact that 60 minutes is still providing quality and real journalism after so many decades in, in the face of all this good stuff.
But on the Sunday, 60 minutes that I know I didn't see, and I don't think unfortunately a lot of folks saw, but they have an article also that we'll include in the show notes.
That's
worth, worth taking a look at by Scott Pelley.
Eris Rouvenny was an attorney in the department of justice.
who did so well during the first Trump term on immigration policies that he got promoted right away, right away when Trump took office for the second time.
He was 15 years in the Justice Department, 15 years in the Justice Department, which ended suddenly after he says he saw government lawyers lying in court and essentially ignoring the orders of a judge.
Here is a clip we have from 60 minutes Sunday night.
This is Aries Reveni talking to Scott Pelley in 60 minutes.
Calvin, play that clip, please.
Bovi emphasized, those planes need to take off no matter what.
We may have to consider telling that court, **** you.
This is going back to the planes full of alleged MS-13 members.
Emile Beauvais, who has now been confirmed and is part of the Trump administration, he essentially said, I don't care what the judges say, those planes are taken off no matter what.
They're taking
off.
I don't know.
I'm sure the conversations have happened behind closed doors.
It's never got out to the press, but when you hear people say things like that we have to tell a judge that we have to spit in the face of our Legal system legal system parts of our checks and balances on the power of a man who thinks he is the end.
I'll be all Authoritarian leader that is that is telling and unfortunately that little moment got reported and then swallowed up because
Every day is a fire hose exactly only goes harder and harder and it's impossible for us We are people who get paid to look at the news and talk about it For folks who are just trying to live a life
I can understand why you may have never heard this.
Oh, absolutely.
There is so much going on.
And again, we're still living our lives and paying bills and grocery shopping and cooking and all, you know, taking care of our elderly parents and our younger children.
And the other thing in this article and in this interview that happened on 60 Minutes on Sunday, he also says that he was told to lie about Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
This, again, goes back a few months.
You may have forgotten about this.
This is a man that the Trump administration said it had to deport because he was a member of MS-13.
He was a gang member.
They had no proof of that.
Well, Jay, they had a doctor
photo.
Right, a doctor.
Yeah, which that's a whole other thing too.
He was told to lie and say that Kilmar Ebrego Garcia was a member of MS-13, even though there is no evidence
that that is true.
And he said, I just couldn't do that.
I could not do it.
And on top of that, Kilmar Obrego Garcia had a protective order from a judge before all this saying he could not be deported back to because he was going again.
He was going through the process.
A lot of people come to this country.
on illegal matters, whether it's running on a visa, coming here illegally, and then they want to go through the process.
They want to do it right.
And they're doing everything they've been told for the past 10, 15, 20, 30 years.
Just do it right.
That's what they're doing.
And they're still getting snatched up.
They're still going to immigration court and having their appointments canceled and then being arrested.
This is not the worst of the worst.
These are just individuals trying to, once again, live their lives like you are.
You were, you were blessed to be born in this country.
They were not maybe, but they're doing exactly what you asked them to do.
And Kilmorrow Brigo Garcia was not part of a gang.
It was, there was no evidence.
A judge said he cannot be deported and they still did it anyways.
There
is Rouvenny.
Here's what he said.
Here's the important thing here.
Whether Mr. Garcia is or isn't a member of MS-13 is beside the point.
What matters
is that they did everything they did to him in violation of his due process rights.
What is to stop them if they decide they don't like you anymore?
They
can
say, you're a criminal.
You're a member of MS-13.
You're a terrorist.
What's to stop them from sending in some attorney at the direction of the Justice Department to delay, or if necessary, to lie about it?
And now it's you.
and your due process is gone.
We've been saying this for months now.
Yes.
For over a year.
You may love him, you may worship at him, you may have all the hats and t-shirts, the flags, you give him the money, you go to the rallies, you do all the things you need to do, but one day it may come down to the fact that you are not good enough.
Well, you're not drunk enough.
We are joined wonderfully by a former U.S.
attorney and host of Amicus a Law Review, 9 to 11 Saturday here at Civic Media, Mr. James Santel.
And I want to open up with a question because, James, you said the magic words, do process.
We heard earlier this year, Stephen Miller say, we can do away with due process on a case-by-case matter.
But what we have found out...
Jim?
James.
Jim, if you could clarify and tell me if I'm right or wrong, due process isn't a case by case.
It's a binary.
It either exists or doesn't exist.
And when it exists, it's for all.
When it's not, we all don't get it.
It's exactly right.
And you know who said that, Greg and Jane, a guy named James Madison and others at the founding of our nation.
It's a part of our Constitution.
It is a right, frankly, not just of citizens, but of residents as well.
That's why the discussion that you're having about immigrants, including Abrego Garcia, appearances in court, all these things, it applies across the board.
you undermine or you eliminate due process, and we no longer have a basic foundational tenet of our nation.
And to your very good and appropriate exposition of the problem here, with the two of you, Jane and Greg, are discussing right now, this is the constitutional crisis that we have been in.
I've dated since March.
We're talking about, again, a Brego Garcia's appearances in front of a judge named Paula Zinnis, who has been
beyond frustrated with the failures of the government to provide it with accurate information.
But it goes back even before then.
There was this judge named James Bosberg in the District of Columbia.
He was the one who first dealt with these 238 people transported to El Salvador without due process.
And this has continued ever since then and now to put a very fine point on another
Horrific aspect of what our Department of Justice is doing here in other situations.
We appear in court and by we I don't mean me.
I don't mean you I mean Representatives of the people of the United States and they will do one of three or four things They will simply say I'm not prepared.
I'm not prepared to go ahead I don't know what I'm doing, which is the least problematic Frank is horrific, but least problematic
They will simply say things that are not true.
That is in violation, again, of an oath of office that undermines the system.
And again, we've seen that they will make things up.
There's a case involving the Dominican children.
in which the Department of Justice had to go back in and say, yeah, it turns out that the parents did not, in fact, want them back.
We just made that up.
That is beyond a constitutional crisis.
That is a violation of everything we know to be good and right.
Don't it be a lawyer or a judge to appreciate the horror of these kinds of activities?
Well, and that leads us directly into, we're blowing boats out of
the
water.
with no evidence that these people are drug dealers.
It's an instant.
It's an inherent film.
Yeah, Mike Johnson knows everything and is gut.
So we blew another boat up last week.
Not everyone was killed.
So rather than bring the two survivors back to the U.S.
to face charges and testify, we're letting them go back home.
Sorry, Jim, you're gonna have to
talk, James.
James is rebooting right
now.
She's buffering.
Greg, I hate to say I'm equally apoplectic, if that's the appropriate word to describe our response to this.
Would you just call me?
Right.
And because there's so many problems with this, including, again, due process, even getting there, of course, it raises all kinds of issues about what this president is doing.
We've got, I see there's a representative of Congress.
Finally, he's from
of one of the Republicans who has said his name is Todd Young as late as just yesterday, indicating that indeed he has constitutional problems with his decision by the president to bomb boats.
I think we're up to number eight now.
We're in two oceans.
And again, who declares war?
Let's all say it together.
That's the Congress, right?
That's in the Constitution.
The president has certain limited powers, but not under these circumstances.
This is not law enforcement that we would identify.
Again, there are interdiction capacities of some law enforcement agencies, but they don't bomb boats.
They don't kill people on the high seas.
And so the confusion once again of law enforcement and military action makes this not just wrong.
It's illegal.
It's unconstitutional.
And one of the concerns is okay.
We repatriate and so these people don't even have the forum in which to discuss this, right?
And so we send them back and again, even the courts, which would otherwise recoil in horror at this, don't have that capacity to do this.
It is just another example of this president engaging in conduct for which there's no legal authority.
We're talking to Jim Santel, who's the host of Amicus Law Review, which you can listen to 9 to 11 every Saturday on the Civic Media Radio Network.
It's a wonderful show talking about all the news coming out of law.
It's a masterclass.
It's law school on Saturday morning.
It's amazing.
You should listen to it, get it in your life.
The thing I wanted to say really quick, Jim, before we go and got some snacks, is also the fact, I just want to make it clear that people understand, the president can declare war for a moment in time.
Then he has to get approval from Congress.
Congress can approve war?
president can declare war, but then he has to go back to Congress and say, may I do this or can you stop me?
I say that simply because we get smacked all the time on the show for saying one thing and not explaining everything.
So they're like, well, you don't understand.
We understand.
But what he's doing right now and the overarching for me is the kids, the people going immigration court.
These are not the people they promise to get rid of.
These are not the worst of the worst, the criminals of the criminals.
These are innocent people who just made a mistake and are trying to do right or their children.
or fishing.
So this is not what people voted for.
And this isn't normal.
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We were talking right before the break about us blowing fishing boats out of the water.
That doesn't seem legal.
But Carmella from Milwaukee is on the line with a question.
Good morning, Carmella.
Thanks for joining us.
What do you want to ask?
Good morning, Carmella.
Good morning, Jim, again.
The other day, I called in a Maggie show and one Jim was on, and I was asking about the international.
Again, I don't know what the term is, but Maggie pointed out that there's a dispute part, and then there's, I guess,
war crimes part.
Why can't somebody internationally indict Trump on this?
I'm not understanding that part of it.
Appreciate it,
Carmella.
Thank you.
Right.
Carmella, as you know, and again, your question is right on target.
There is an international criminal court that we have seen in other areas.
We know that the fellow named Putin right now has an outstanding arrest warrant.
If you engage in these kinds of things, yes indeed, there's a criminal court out there that can, in fact, investigate and has and has found that chiefs of state have been in violation of international law.
We do not recognize that court.
It becomes a much more complicated as a result of that.
But Carmella, you know, underlying your very good question, these fundamental things that Greg and Jane have been saying, number one.
all of these things, how have we traditionally dealt with these kinds of things?
It's the Coast Guard, sometimes the Navy that interdicts suspected drug smuggling boats.
We don't blow them out of the water, right, Carmela?
We don't do these kinds of things.
And if in fact, if in fact there is a war type event,
All right, there's a thing called the war powers resolution right Vietnam war era thing right Jane and the notion is the president's got very limited capacity to engage in wartime activity as Greg and you just said you've got to go back to the Congress in 60 days and explain what you're doing
This has been going on since September 2nd by my count and again, I know the president's doing this again because of Venezuela and and the the political and mr. Maduro there and his animosity with the government there This is not a basis for this as change has reaffirmed in the simple and straightforward and completely accurate way This is unconstitutional.
Yes.
It is contrary to law.
It is illegal and again the question is
How does it get enforced?
Well, Americans like you, Carmella, need to be articulate.
You are articulate, but be forceful in demanding that our government do better.
But now this is right.
But the
Supreme Court essentially gave him free reign to do whatever he wants during his tenure as president.
He cannot be held accountable for anything.
Thank you, Supreme Court.
Right, that's the larger issue Jane in ways big small in between if this somehow were to reach the Supreme Court They would find a way to describe this somehow as a war that we're at with Venezuela or others or even drug cartel leaders and permit this and and subvert and Construe in ways that no common sense person would construe the law to say that this is a wartime Activity it is not and yet you're right
the Supreme Court in all these ways has given this great authority.
That began on July 1 of 2024.
It continues to this day.
That's, again, that also the constitutional crisis, and it goes on then to the authoritarian government seizing upon that and doing
whatever you want to do.
By the way, I just want to share some quotes from the president of the United States about these boats that were blowing out of the water.
Quote, we call them the water drugs, the drugs that come in through water.
They're not coming.
There are no boats anymore.
Frankly, there are no fishing boats.
There are no boats out there.
Period.
If you want to know the truth, we're saying, does anybody go fishing anymore?
The fact is, we knocked out, probably saved at least 100,000 American lives by taking out all these boats coming in.
The water drugs problem apparently
has been solved.
And J.D.
Vance even cracked a joke, too, saying, like, well, I wouldn't go fishing out in that area.
Well, guess what?
Some of those people who are fishing are fishing for their lives.
Yes, it's their livelihood.
And it's not funny.
And you know what?
Well, the president doesn't need the court to do.
I mean, they're continually doing it.
All he needs now and he has are the leaders in the GOP and the mainstream media.
And I'm including all of them to either justify or fully back up on a consistent basis saying, Oh, what he's doing is great over and over.
And then people either.
say, yeah, or they tune out.
So you have this constant barrage of dis and misinformation coming from all from all sides that you can't do anything about to the point where it almost feels like it's better to tune out, which you shouldn't, but we understand.
I understand the temptation.
Trust
me.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Absolutely.
And the bottom line, my friends, of course, is that you're killing people and you're probably killing people who have not done anything wrong.
And this is not a matter of policy or decisions about how we go about enforcing this.
This is a violation, as Carmel indicated, of international law, domestic law.
And the president has no authority to do this.
People are dying because of what he is doing.
Commercial entities are being undermined.
Our relationship with Venezuela, obviously hugely compromised.
Well, all
of our
allies now,
well,
former allies.
Yeah,
yes.
It just doesn't, um, there's the justification.
Like I didn't feel, I didn't feel unsafe with these boats in the water.
That's how they always made it feel when, before they did something huge, there was a big bad who was going to do something that was going to undermine a country or us.
And, but all of a sudden I hear we're bombing boats.
Why?
Cause water drugs, what are those?
Doesn't matter.
Don't worry about it.
It's, it's just absolutely to once again, distract us away from.
Tax is going to billionaires and the Epstein files.
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We'll see you next week.
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Madeleine Anderson is the Director of Communications, and James Flores is the Manager of Tribal Relations.
Good morning to you both.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Good morning.
Thanks for
having us.
Absolutely.
Madeleine, we're going to start with you.
Halloween is next week.
And I know that there is a lot of affection for the streets of Old Milwaukee.
You're doing something special for this Halloween at the Milwaukee Public Museum.
Yeah, so we, fortunately, the streets of Old Milwaukee is already kind of set on a fall evening.
So we've just added to that.
that ambiance with some Halloween decorations, some fall decorations.
But the best part is that it's all very, you know, it's focused on what Halloween and fall would have been like in the early 1900s.
So, you know, much more historic than what you see today.
So we don't have, you know, the flashy lights or the gore.
It's, you know, more crafty decorations.
Everything back then was homemade.
So we'll have some of the businesses with little Halloween decorations and then Granny's house, for example, it's all decked out for a Halloween party.
The mantle has some artwork, some streamers.
She has some candy apples in the window.
She and her granddaughter are both dressed up for the party.
The granddaughter has a vintage Halloween hat on.
And then outside her house, we have some trick-or-treaters.
as well as a corn stalk made of crepe paper.
One of our exhibit artists made that.
And that's actually what people did back then.
They made corn stalks for fall out of crepe paper.
So I get very, very inappropriate.
Was there a lack of corn stalks in early 1900s?
Right,
I don't know, but that was what they did.
And then, you know, we've added a few, we did this last year for the first time.
This is the second year we're doing it where we're decorating for Halloween.
This year we added a few more things.
So some of the props, you know, they're not just eye level, you have to look up.
We have a hundred crows.
to kind of add to that spooky vibe.
So a lot of those are on the telephone poles and the wires and windows that are on the second floor, some more black hats around the exhibit, some bats, so lots of fun.
But you have to kind of know what you're looking out for.
It's not going to be completely in your face.
And then we also have some vintage from our collection.
These are over 100 years old, some vintage.
cards that people would have sent back then for Halloween.
What kind of Halloween messages were they sending each other in the 1900s?
Right.
You know, witches, a lot of moons on the cards.
So you got to come to the museum and see what they were of.
Yeah, sending each other, but it's really fun.
I love the idea to Madeline that you actually have to take a little time to really look around.
So if you're going to go visit the streets of Old Milwaukee, don't go whipping through there because you're going to miss some stuff.
Right.
You got to really be intentional and look in all the windows and then you'll definitely notice, oh, yep, there's that and there's that.
That's definitely for Halloween.
Well, and what I love too is the things that you display have all been donated over the years, right?
That's that's how you
Come up with this stuff.
Yeah, most of most of the items in streets of old Milwaukee and throughout the museum are what we call our collections items.
So these are the items either have been collected by our staff, curators, researchers, or have been donated by the community.
There are also props, though.
Those are not collections items.
Sure.
A mannequin, for example, or fake food is a prop.
But
Yeah, a lot of them are these priceless collections items.
It's very, very cool.
I
love the treats of Milwaukee.
The old Milwaukee is so much fun.
I've been there so many times and I still go there and I can spend hours just looking around.
It's very, very fun.
And Halloween sounds like a blast there.
So when can people get in and see this, Madeline?
Yep, so the decorations are up and it is included with admission and it goes until November 2nd So you have the rest of this week and then of course all of next week And next weekend too and then after November 2nd we take it down and we start decorating for Christmas
Well, at least I mean at least that's it.
I feel like okay November we're getting closer to the Christmas time whereas I saw
Christmas Oreos last week in a store.
I'm like, not
yet.
You're not even in
Hollywood.
We'll get there, we
always do.
Right,
let us enjoy.
Exactly.
And poor Thanksgiving just gets completely skipped over.
I saw a turkey, it's fine.
We're talking to Madeline Anderson and James Flores from our great Milwaukee Public Museum, talking about all the do-ins they have going on for Halloween.
So make sure you get to the Milwaukee Public Museum, check out the great streets of old Milwaukee and their special Halloween display.
Laura is also here, the manager of Tribal Relations.
James, talk us, tell us a little bit about your Native American Heritage Month and some of the celebrations going on involving that.
Oh, we have a great line of programming coming up for November.
Starting off on Saturday, November 1st, we have our Three Rivers Powwow.
It's a free admission for everyone, Isabelle Bader that day, and then also sponsorship from Port's County Potawatomi Hotel and Casino.
has really supported our programming for this month.
And I mean, the powwow is going to be amazing.
We're going to have dancers, drumming, singing, Indian tacos, crafts and vendors on the museum floor.
It's just going to be a wonderful celebration and kick off Native American Heritage Month.
James,
tell us a little bit.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but tell us
a little
bit more about the importance of powwows and why that is such an important of Native Heritage Month.
Oh, that's a great question.
Yes.
Pals are celebration, social gatherings where we celebrate our history and culture through songs and dance.
And it's really a time for Native Americans to come together, but also for visitors that aren't Native to come and see our culture and share in the celebration, maybe come all for a dance or two.
And it's just really this cultural exchange.
It's really just celebrating Indigenous cultures.
histories and it's really a great social gathering.
So you do actually welcome people who might be rhythmically challenged to join the dancers at powwows.
I'm
just double checking.
Yes, you know, MC usually says dancer style, dancer
style.
I'll just wave
my arms into rhythmic
passes.
Now, Jane's asking the important question about how Powwows are a part of your culture and bringing it to people who are not native.
I'm going to go back to what you just said before.
Tell us more about the tacos.
What is that?
Like what is what specifically makes that like an Indian taco?
What goes into it?
I'm just asking for research.
OK, well, I think we've all had tacos here before.
Yeah.
And an Indian taco is instead of having a tortilla, it's made out of fried bread.
That part is fried bread.
So it's dough.
That's fried.
And it's really a treat.
to have and we'll have Indian tacos there available for purchase.
We have wild rice casserole available for purchase among many other other treats and the benders.
If you're looking for, I know we were talked about Christmas earlier, not to push it, but you know there's going to be some amazing Native American artisans there with different items available for sale and you might find something
For
somebody on your on your Christmas list.
Let's talk a little bit about the regalia James because we've talked we talked to Paul Trebbian and he's gonna be joining us again
to
talk about the holiday folk fair Yeah, and the regalia is is very important and tells very important stories.
Don't they?
Yes, yes, and that's our you know our traditional clothing And each tribe has you know floral patterns
different types of beadwork, different designs, and it shares a little bit of that tribal affiliation, and it's really, I think, a way of demonstrating that our culture is continuing to this day, and that, you know, when we wear these clothes, these are, you know, very, for special occasions, and we really want to go out looking our best, and that, I think, is
If you come to the powwow Saturday, November 1st, you're going to see some amazing, amazing
outfits.
The beadwork is so incredible.
It really is.
What a remarkable skill.
It's so beautiful.
That alone is worth checking out.
And I can just see little kids being so excited about being able to take part in a dance circle.
That would be huge.
Yes.
I mean,
I wish I had the patience for beating.
You know, luckily I have relatives that, you know.
That's a long
process though, isn't it?
I mean, that can take months to finish a vest or something with all of that intricate beating.
That's a lot of work, man.
James, when the month is done, that specific celebration is finished, what else does the museum have?
that offers a connection to the culture of our Native American brothers and sisters.
What can we find when it's not just that month celebrating you, but also just any day of the week, any time at the museum?
Oh, that's a great question.
Well, I mean, just this past year, we brought in indigenous chefs who use indigenous ingredients and prepare high quality, healthy meals.
That's an event that we've had.
Other times, we've hosted tribal members coming to the museum.
for private viewings.
We posted our travel history preservation officers from the state of Wisconsin to come to the museum and beyond the state of Wisconsin.
And I think for visitors, we're helping develop programming with our education department where we can have educators go into the classroom for as part of this offsite engagement and talk a little bit more about Native American history and culture.
It's fantastic.
I took my niece and nephew to the museum last year for the dinosaur event.
And after we were done there, we walked around the area that was showing all of the different, the huge powwow circle.
And my nephew was enamored with the colors and everything about it.
And I was like, we should just come here for that alone and let you ask all the questions because he was so fascinated by everything he saw.
I just want to note that, by the way, that Greg wanted to see the dinosaurs.
He used the niece and nephew as an excuse to go see the dinosaur exhibit.
Is
there even a niece and nephew?
Who's to say?
Who's to say?
You don't have to take children.
No.
You can go all by yourself to the Milwaukee Public Museum and check out its fabulous, fabulous displays.
How is the move going?
Anybody want to touch that?
Yep, so we are busy behind the scenes packing still, you know, we as I mentioned earlier, we have these priceless collections items.
We have four million of them.
So a massive undertaking, but the team behind the scenes is doing an incredible job.
A couple months ago, I think they hit the 500,000 item packed mark.
So definitely making good progress there.
And then at the site,
If you guys drive by it, you'll see that also is
progressing
rapidly.
I think it was just what a year and a half ago, we had broken ground.
And now the structure has reached vertical height and we are in the process of hanging these giant concrete panels
that
are enclosing the building.
And that'll be done, I think next month, sometime next month.
So it'll look more or less finished from the outside by the end of this year.
But then all the interior work gets going and toward the end of next year, then those, you know, once the plumbing, the electrical, drywalls up, and we start putting in these amazing exhibits.
Madeline Anderson and James Flores from the Milwaukee Public Museum.
Thank you so very much for joining us.
Really appreciate your time.
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Hey, good morning.
I am ironically at a technology conference, and none of my technology is working.
So there we go.
That it can be better.
That's kind of the perfect thing.
I'm
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That's just the way things don't work.
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Let's talk a little bit about the Packers.
We're going to be facing our ex-boyfriend.
Aaron Rodgers we are on Sunday
He has had a pretty good bounce back season Aaron I will always like as a player not like as a person not a good hang not a good guy to have a
good
hang But I do think Pittsburgh was kind of the optimal landing spot for him in New York He got to run everything you got to hire his friends.
He got to fire his enemies
and kind of ran things how he wanted to, but he's not a good coach and he's definitely not a good general manager.
In Pittsburgh, they run a very good organization.
I think they're like second to the Packers in terms of organizational maturity.
Mike Tomlin is an excellent coach.
No one is going to say a talk back to him.
He is very well respected.
He is one of the best coaches of all time, honestly.
And Aaron has played with himself.
He's been really good.
He's been a top 10 quarterback.
He is not what he used to be, but
He can still swing it every once in a while.
He was throwing some lasers last week.
The Steelers traded for DK Metcalf from Seattle in the offseason.
One of the best deep threats in football, and he's averaging 18 and a half yards a catch.
He leads the team in targets.
But ironic thing about the Steelers is they usually have an outstanding defense and kind of a medium offense, and it's flipped this year.
Their offense is quite good, and their defense has been actually kind of terrible, and it is with his classroom games lately.
Aaron has been good.
He's managed to coax one more season out of himself in a good environment.
And, uh, it'll be tough for the Packers on Sunday.
This is actually going to be a pretty tricky game for them, I think.
Well, and that's something that you, you just said with, with regard to Mike Tomlinson, and I feel like that's a conversation piece that's been happening since the days of Green Bay towards the end, which was, it kind of felt like if you told Aaron Rogers, he was just the, the manager of the, or the head coach of the team.
He'd be like, fine, that's what I want to do anyways, but.
With someone like him, you kind of need to have someone like a Mike Tomlinson who can say, I get who you are.
I understand your brand, but this is my team and we will work together, but you will not push me around.
Period.
I don't want to think that conversation happened in such an aggressive way, but I have to imagine that that conversation had to have happened at some point.
Or maybe does Aaron just know that implicitly?
So it probably did happen to some extent and I don't know Mike Tomlinson.
exact coaching style here, but here's one thing we do know about it.
No team is better at dealing with crazy people than the Steelers.
They have had the most talented crazy people come through their organization over the last 10 years from Antonio Brown who like ended his career by storming off the field for I think the box I can't remember, he ended up
DK Metcalf is not like an easy person to deal with.
They traded George Pickens away in the offseason.
He's a cowboy now.
He's a very tough guy to get the most out of.
They have quite a few guys on defense who have been sort of off the field red flags and who've all performed well.
So I don't know what Mike Tomlin's secret sauce is out there, but usually people are their best behavior in Pittsburgh.
And when they're once they're gone or before, they are no longer.
So.
Um, they do a great job there.
And it's obviously, it's a competitive advantage.
Oh, there are a lot of stealers that other teams wouldn't touch that performed fantastically for them, uh, because of how they rubbed things.
So he's like the hard high school teacher.
It's like, Oh my God, you don't want Mr. Tomlinson.
He's not going to let you get away with anything.
You know,
that is pretty much correct.
Yeah.
Um, the one thing to look out for this week, uh, in the last team, the Packers played against Arizona.
Um, Arizona made.
just massive hay by picking on Nate Hobbs, the beleaguered current packer, a cornerback, who was signed to be a slosh cornerback.
Those are the guys who play in the middle of the field, but the packers have been playing exclusively outside, where he has historically been kind of bad.
I do not know why they're doing this, but if they do it this week, it's likely he gets matched up on DK Metcalf, and if that happens, they'll probably lose the game.
It's honestly a game losing thing that could happen.
The Packers have a perfectly fine outside quarterback, Carrington Valentine, who they have stopped playing.
He played two snaps last week.
He is, as far as we know, healthy.
And so they're playing this really weird out-of-sequence cornerback alignment that needs to stop really, really quickly.
Hobbs got killed last week, but I have a hard time blaming him.
He's playing a position that he is not as familiar with and not as good at, and I don't know why the Packers are doing that.
Yeah, that's, and Matt LeFluor doesn't seem to make a lot of those mistakes.
That seems unusual that he would do that.
It is a little unusual, but there are a couple of things that the Packers do wrong along these lines.
One is they do stick with highly paid or highly drafted guys, sometimes a little longer than they should.
The guy who does play the slot right now is Javon Bullard, who was a fairly high draft pick for them.
Carrington Valentine, a very good player, was either a seventh rounder or a UDFA.
He's a good story.
He came from out of nowhere and turned himself around.
And they paid a lot for NetHop.
They traded for him, like real assets to the raiders to get him.
And so this may be an instance of just kind of throwing the bad money after good money to try and get the most out of their big investments.
But they got to stop doing it.
They do this on the offensive line sometimes, too, where they try and kind of force like guys like Jordan Morgan
to play, uh, like outside of tackle when he's sometimes well more, he's in right guard right now.
Seems to be a better fit, but they'll try and push guys like to get the most of like, uh, value in a vacuum out of them.
And it doesn't always kind of
off.
If you're just joining us, Paul, noon in from the Acme packing company is our guest on Matt Nair on air to talk all things sports.
And we're talking about the upcoming Packers game where they will be facing Pittsburgh and Aaron
Rodgers.
And.
Paul, before I, before we got on the air, I asked you to send over any articles or anything that you've been working on, the Acme packing company.
And you said something over to me entitled, why does Jordan love not seem quote, seem as good as he is.
What are your thoughts on this?
I mean, it's his third season.
We got a, we got a fantastic first season, completely unexpected.
Last year I felt like as, and this is coming from a non sports analyst.
I felt like, okay, this is feels like, all right, he's new.
He's getting into position, but in the third season, what are you seeing that gives you pause when you think about Jordan Love?
So I know I've fallen on the line of, I don't think he's underrated.
And I think conceptually he's got, he's got, he's got a PR problem.
Here's what it is.
At the height of Aaron Rodgers, Papier Stardom, circa like 2018, like end of McCarthy era, start of the Florida era.
The Packers would run on average about 75 to 80 offensive plays a game.
At the end of the Rogers tenure and the start of the Love tenure, they've been running about 68 to 65 offensive plays a game.
And this year, they're running about 60, 60 offensive plays a game.
So from the height of Rogers to now, they're down about 20 offensive plays a game.
because they run the ball more.
They run the ball about 60% of the time more than any other team in the league.
That shortens the game.
And they take forever to get up to the line of scrimmage.
They almost always hiked the ball with zero on the play clock.
And so one of Matt LaFleur's things is shortening games.
Because they do this, Jordan Love doesn't have the sort of normal counting steps you associate with a great quarterback.
He rarely throws for 300 yards, but it's not really because he's not good at
passing, it's just that they don't run enough passing plays for you to get to 300 yards.
And I think it's really important to understand that about love.
When you look at his underlying rate stats, like on a per play basis, he's one of the best in the league by the two best sort of advanced analytics metrics for quarterbacks, EPA per play and DVOA.
He's second in both of them to kind of ironically Sam Darnold, who's having a good season for Seattle that people don't realize either.
But a lot of the criticism of love are really based more on the Packers' pace of play than anything he's doing.
He's quite a bit better than the common perception of Jordan Love.
And it's worth keeping an eye on that.
Like he actually has been good.
They could stand to pass more.
They're running game this year isn't as good as it has been in the past.
They give away value by keeping this kind of weird balance.
And they could stand to throw an extra five, six passes a game and boost those a little bit.
We're talking to the Acme packing companies, Paul, noon in about all things sports.
Let's move on, uh, Pat or Paul for the time that we have left and talk a little bit about the bucks
undefeated undefeated.
Yeah.
Um,
how many games have we
played?
We played one.
Okay.
One.
Okay.
We play one game and it was against the Washington wizards.
Um, so it was, it was a, uh, the game, it was against Chris Middleton.
It was good to see Chris again.
who had a very good game and there was honorific handed out.
Yanis was awesome, had 37 points.
Almost every buck starter and top reserves scored in double digits.
It was actually like, the bucks I feel like are kind of tempered expectations wise.
This just had a nice off season, but you know, we've, they're getting long in the tooth.
They are really strapped in terms of salary cap issues.
This was a good first game.
They played really well.
There was a lot of good chemistry, a lot of spreading the ball.
Yanis got 37, but everybody else got theirs too.
Very up and down.
So, you know, you can't tell anything from one game at all, especially against the team, like the Wizards.
I might have said Nationals, I'm still in baseball mode, sorry if I did.
But against the Wizards, but it's a good start.
It was a really impressive performance.
I think if nothing else,
the conference isn't that good.
And so the Bucks still have opportunity if they can kind of bring some chemistry to the table and get one awesome season out of Yanis to go.
And it was a good way to start the season.
Bucks look good and you can't ask for more than that.
It always blows my mind to hear, hear you say, and I know in, in sport, they're old.
But again, for me, it's like, Oh my God, they're getting long in the two.
They're like 35.
God.
I
know the different aging scale.
Well, and something, and I will perfectly met this.
I didn't get a chance to read the story when I was looking up the bucks.
The headline said, who's going to score points after Yanis?
And while Yanis did score 37 points last night, there were 133 points scored, which means the other teammates scored the majority of those points.
Is that really a concern about major scoring?
Or is it just about the fact that they'll just.
Have another person maybe regard if Yanis goes away next season someone comes in his place And becomes that big score, but they still have good scoring behind them being done by other players
They do They I still think could use one more decent three-point shooters But they're pretty well rounded.
They're just they're kind of a weirdly put together team at this point, but they do have a lot of good scores
It is also based on the honest though.
Like I do think without the honest, this doesn't work as well.
He draws so much attention.
He makes things so much easier for everybody else.
And he's a good passer.
Like he's, he's good at setting people up when he's in the mood to do so.
Um, he makes, he makes the whole thing run and he will until he's not here.
Callan.
Callan's our biggest.
He's our biggest NBA fan.
Yeah.
I, I'm definitely a little concerned about having a second go to guy as far as scoring.
Um,
What's his name Kevin Porter junior looked good, but he got hurt in the first quarter.
So hopefully that's not too bad But yeah, I'm interested to see where they go I think they have a lot of length that could contribute to them actually being a pretty good defensive team
Yep, I'll do with that turner addition looks like it might be
really well put together too.
So
Paul Newton joins us every other Thursday from the ACMI packing company to talk all things sports.
Thank you so very much for Paul.
We will see you in a couple of weeks.
That's good.
Thanks guys.
Thank you.
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Toss an intern in addition.
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It's Friday already.
The weeks are just going whoosh.
It's whooshy whooshy.
I feel like anything that rhymes with it sounds weird.
It's just whooshy.
It's I and then before we know it like literally we're talking about it with Madeline Anderson and James Flores.
It's Christmas.
I saw Christmas Oreos on sale.
I've turned into my mom.
It's too
early.
It's too early.
Yep.
Dan Schaefer will be here.
And he'll be upset about it, too.
He probably will be.
No, Dan Schaefer is going to be here tomorrow.
He joins us at 9.30.
He is, of course, Civic Media's political editor and also the creator of the Recombobulation Area.
Multi-award-winning Recombobulation Area.
I don't know
why I said it like
that.
Lots of awards, though.
He is covered in awards.
Yep, he is covered in awards.
Dan Schaefer will be joining us tomorrow.
Lots and lots of things to kick around, including I see Jill Underly has come out with a
response to the report in the Cap Times.
I think that's where they, that's where it started.
Oh, absolutely.
This report came out last week.
We talked about it like within the day of it coming out, 200 investigations, investigation
of
200 teachers, basically being thrown into a drawer and no one hearing about it until the Cap Times doing a wonderful, I think this is going to win them an award too.
This is some amazing investigative journalism and
It was sort of the thing of where's Jill Underly, who's newly elected to the DPI head and she has come out with a statement
and will
probably be talking about that, but also other things, probably election stuff.
Who knows, maybe real quick, I realized something.
We talked last week about the project, the road project.
Yeah.
There are like five road projects in Milwaukee County happening.
That is
bookers.
You're not going to be able to get anywhere.
No.
Listen to the radio.
You're gonna be in the car a lot.
Yes, we're gonna be we're all gonna be in the car your best friend We will it is Calvin just about ten it is now 1055 that means it is time for this shouldn't be a thing if you ever find a thing you think should not be like our friend did yeah
Send it in to Greg and me.
You're really excited to talk about that tomorrow.
Jim, at Jane says, at civicmedia.us, J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S.
Jane says, at civicmedia.us, this from the Washington Post, Calvin found this one from Leo Sands, headline reads, smart beds flipped out during the AWS outage, and so did their sleepy owners.
Some eight sleep mattress users had a rude awakening after the Amazon web services outrage with reports of beds that got stuck upright and temperatures going haywire.
First of all, I just want to say my, I think my favorite tis bats are always the ones that come from the most respected news outlets where it's like this coming from the BBC.
Monkeys are smoking more.
You know, it's like I love it when I love it when the award-winning papers are like giving us these because all I'm thinking about is how do they turn this into a movie and you might say Greg, how is that possible?
Look up Google something called death bed the bed that eats people and you'll know why I think this could be
Very very financially
sound reboot.
I think you might be onto something for a few hours early Monday There was an outage at the Amazon web services that triggered a cascade of error messages and system malfunctions across the internet Showing us pretty much how we depend on our providers.
Yes, the rudest awakening however failed by those sleeping on eight sleeps
high-spec internet-enabled mattresses.
As the outage caused cloud servers to fail on Monday, people reported being awakened in discomfort by beds that locked upright, became unbearably hot, blinked flashing lights, or sounded wake-up alarms continually.
Or if you put your ear out there, you heard, I must eat my master.
Mateo Franschetti, who is the chief executive of Eight Sleep, says, quote, that is not the experience we want to provide, and I apologize for it.
It's
OK.
Eight Sleep also makes and sells internet-enabled mattress covers and pillow covers.
He explained the malfunctions were the result of this outage.
Engineers racing to build an outage-proof mode should this happen again?
But
if I would just think and I'm not a smart person I am the opposite of smart I would think if the internet service just like like when my internet goes out Jane I can't get YouTube on my TV right if things just stop where it my bed doesn't become Like sentient
and start doing what it wants and it's like I must be hot
now
the eight-sleep
Internet-enabled mattresses allow users to adjust the temperature between 55 and 110 degrees.
Well, you know some people are cold.
Elevate their body into different positions.
Activate immersive soundscapes.
Oh my god.
And also vibrational alarms.
The most advanced product bundles sell for over five grand in addition to a yearly subscription.
Oh!
that can cost between $200 and $400.
It's a Peloton bed.
In order to enable the temperature controls.
Whack-a-doodle.
Just give me a pile of feathers.
I will sleep on that instead.
I'm fine.
$5,000.
Why?
This seems like a bad thing.
Terrible
idea.
Terrible idea.
Computers are relatively dumb, says the creator of this bed.
They'll do what you tell them, but if you don't tell them what to do, they just run around in a panic.
That wraps up today's episode of... This
shouldn't be... We're gonna
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