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Busy show today.
Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters Wisconsin joining us after the 930 News.
There is a new proposal to have a nonpartisan commission draw map.
That sounds like something that should be done.
What a wacky idea.
Right.
That just says correctly.
So we'll talk to Deb Cronmiller about this proposal that would bring in non-partisan people to draw up our voting maps.
I mean, that just sounds...
almost logical?
There seems to be a logic involved with that.
Yes, so that's after 9.30.
Hour number two, our friend, colleague, host of the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show on weekends here across civic media.
Dr. Kristen Lyrely is going to be joining us.
We're going to be talking about Dr. Oz.
It was either last week or the week before.
Yeah.
Said that America is under-babied.
We just don't have enough babies.
We need more babies.
So we're going to talk to Dr. Leier Lee about what would actually perhaps encourage families to have more children.
Yes,
absolutely.
I believe there's an economic component in there.
Where Dr. Oz, who is once again for whatever you think about him, he is a doctor, says we are under-babied.
It's not a word.
Dr. Lyrely can put the real problem into perspective with, once again, nuanced, logical, and medical and professional language.
Factual things.
I
actually
would say
under-baby.
Like, translate that, Dr. Lyrely.
What does that mean for the layman?
I'm not a doctor, so I don't know
under-baby.
You
don't
speak that medical.
I don't speak doctor.
Medical terminology like that.
No.
Speaking of medical terminology, there is another measure that has been proposed.
Here in Wisconsin, they want to change the definition of abortion, essentially.
Shocking.
This has to do with women who have problems in their pregnancy at some point in their pregnancy, and they may need to terminate the pregnancy.
Yeah, of
course.
So there is a new measure out.
They want to change words because they don't want the word abortion used, even though the medical definition
of say a spontaneous miscarriage is abortion.
It's spontaneous abortion.
It's a spontaneous abortion.
That is, yes.
That is the medical definition.
You
can't get away from it.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So Dr. Lyrely will be joining us to talk about that in hour number two.
Also, last half an hour of the show, we will lighten it up as we always do with, this shouldn't be a thing.
And audio survey.
Audio survey.
We're gonna be talking about
movies.
Movies, yes.
So we're gonna be talking about, so Calvin, I'll give you a brief overview.
Calvin brought up a movie that is being made off of a popular board, very popular board.
I would say one of the most popular actually.
And it's just that idea of why do they make movies about certain things?
So what is a movie that they made where you said, why did they do this?
Who asks for this?
And more importantly, when it bombs, you sit there and go, I don't know why you even did it in the first place.
Yeah, this movie should never have been made.
I have so many examples.
Is our audio sorbet coming up at around 10.30.
And then we'll end the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Bear with me now.
Yep.
That is the addition.
coming up at the very end of the show.
And if you have any movies that you want to suggest and you can't stick around for the show, you can always send it to us via text.
You can email it in.
Jane says at civicmedia.us.
Throw it in the text line right now.
We'll read it later.
But yeah, we want to know your thoughts even if you can't be around.
Tell us.
Yeah, let us know now.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Wanted to start off with talking about the government shutdown.
We're in what?
Day 20, 21.
Day 21.
Day 21.
And the big sticking point is the Democrats say the Republicans need to fund.
Oh, day 22.
Day 22.
They need to fund the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act.
Correct.
If they do not fund these subsidies,
People's.
Monthlies are going to skyrocket.
Yes, if you want to premiums are going to jump.
Yes.
If you want any proof about that, go back to our discussion last week with Will Westmoreland.
He is a farmer in southwestern Missouri, and he talks about.
not only him being on it, but farmers are the biggest user of the ACA in the country.
And he talks about what his premium is going to look like if these subsidies on top of another subsidy that's not going to be renewed either gets cut.
That's subsidy.
It's like a 28% subsidy for farmers specifically.
Right.
Once all that's done, it's going to be like a 60 to 70% increase for him.
And if you go back and listen, civicmedia.us slash shows.
It's very
clear.
It's a great conversation.
This is something that is needed.
Yes.
Period.
Yes, it is.
And the Republicans say, of course, no, no, no, no, just sign off on this on this deal.
Yeah, sign off on this measure and then we'll talk about it later.
We'll get to it in two weeks.
I have a things to do list.
We'll get around to it.
Yeah, it's not important.
Yeah, you know, we got a ballroom to build and give more money to Argentina.
East Wing to destroy Ron Johnson.
Wisconsin senior senator appearing on some cable channel because that's what he does now.
He's certainly never here.
He has an opinion about people seeing their premiums jump.
Rojo says, let you don't have to worry about that.
Calvin play that clip from Ron Johnson, please.
You know, let's bring free market competition back into the healthcare.
We'll get to that one.
This
is going to be a kind of gut wrenching problem if these hand subsidies just go away.
We will practice whether the lies told by the Democrats.
But again, we're happy to work with Democrats and fix the broken.
Play that.
Play it again, Calvin, please.
I don't think this is going to be any kind of gut wrenching problem if these hand subsidies just go away.
Not a problem.
That's all we need.
It's just not a. So your premiums double triple.
Meh.
Ron's only worth, what, $66 million?
Oh, I
think that's a low ball.
Is that a low ball?
I'm not
looking up here, but that's just, once again, we hear this all the time, these rich, powerful people talking about how things just aren't a big deal because, yeah, to Ron Johnson, a $2,000 a month payment for his health insurance, if he had to do it on his own, if he had to do it on his own, he could afford that.
That's not a problem for him.
Sure, sure.
But your...
lack of a problem doesn't translate to everybody.
There's a lot of people where their premiums are going to be, okay, well, now I can't pay for groceries.
I can't pay for rent.
I can't pay for, well, I could never pay for daycare because daycare is too expensive.
Well, and what I think they're going to do, what folks are gonna have to do is they're gonna have to make a choice about what they're gonna spend their money on.
Yes.
And most likely they're gonna opt for rent and food.
Yes, yes.
Over paying a massive hike in their premiums.
And the ACA, by the way, is not perfect by a long shot.
It's not.
It was a compromise because, and I'm not going to get into this very deeply, but in a time when so much more could have been done when they were trying to pass health care, everyone got scared of their own shadows.
But we have what we have, and it's helped millions of people.
And if you are one of those people on the ACA, we've talked to you before about this.
Tell us again, when you think about the premiums going up.
What are the choices you're going to have to make is what is that going to mean for you?
What is that going to mean for you for your family for your living situation?
I mean we want to know because Ron Johnson said it's not a big deal not a good punch.
No, it's not got punch Just you know, just don't don't another couple hundred dollars
a
month if you just go get a third job Maybe you'll be okay, but that's on you.
You be a good American.
Don't see roadblocks see the path forward well and Ron has kind
of a
a great answer.
Oh, what's that?
For how to fix our health care problems.
Hit me with it.
Let's play that second clip from Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson, please.
You know, let's bring free market competition back into the health care industry.
Let's bring back, you know, way more consumer choice.
You know, Rick Scott, an expert in health care, right?
He's working with people like myself, leadership, the White House.
Let's design the Republican plan.
We completely blew it.
Did you say
Rick
Scott?
All right, let's just go ahead here and I'm gonna type in there we go perfect Rick Scott
Rick Scott By the way case you missed this before he became a US senator Rick Scott was running a hospital in Florida a federal Medicare and Medicaid fraud investigation that resulted in a 1.7 billion dollar fine
against the health care company that Rick Scott was running.
That is the biggest fine in history for that kind of group.
And he didn't go to jail?
He didn't.
And he, in fact, if he did the most American thing for rich people, he stepped down, they paid the fine, he became governor of Florida.
And now he's Senator in Florida.
Oh, he got a big payout on the way out.
Oh, he got a big
payout, too.
So, yeah, Rick Scott might not be the best.
It's definitely the best choice in the Trump administration.
He ticks all of the boxes to run something.
But also, let's just address a fallacy in Mr. Johnson's statement here.
By the way, can we stop calling him the senior Senator because it feels like that's a respect I don't want to give him.
Can we just call him the Senator who's been around longer?
Ron Johnson.
Cool.
Thank you.
The ACA has done almost nothing to threaten the free market of medical insurance.
The ACA is not medical insurance.
It is simply access to other companies that sell medical insurance.
Those companies are free and flourishing.
Those companies are free to not be a part of the ACA as they have done.
Doctors don't have to be a part of the ACA.
The ACA does not strangle free market competition at all.
So if anything you're telling us you want
more insurance companies.
Is this like yesterday when we're talking about beef production?
Rollin says we need more cattle ranchers.
We need more beef producers.
So we need more insurance.
ACTA does nothing to harm free market medical insurance access.
Period.
It just narrows the scope.
And also the government helps people afford it a little bit.
Is that their
job?
No!
In 2014, back to Rick Scott when he was running this company in Florida, they're buying almost a billion dollars.
In 2014, the whistleblower who helped the federal government investigate Columbia described a company that ran two sets of books.
And he said he had, quote, no doubt in my mind that Rick Scott was the leader of a criminal enterprise, unquote.
Yeah.
Again, he resigned under pressure.
Yeah.
He cited the incrimination.
I don't have to test.
I don't have to answer because I might incriminate myself.
Fifth Amendment.
Yeah.
He claimed that like over a hundred times during the trial about this.
And then again, he walked away with a huge payout.
Huge payout.
Even though this fraud that was perpetrated hurt actual people.
Yes.
It hurt taxpayers, it
hurt seniors.
And that's just another point of this whole argument about waste fraud and abuse when we talk about the fraud of Medicaid and Medicare.
There are individuals who can do it.
That's absolutely true.
People can fraud the system as individuals, but the lion's share, the biggest money is always coming from these companies who are defrauding the country out of billions of dollars, thus putting people in harm's way.
So again, we're not focusing our attention correctly and putting Rick Scott in charge of anything having to do with health insurance is
Completely on brand of stupid for Ron Johnson to say, but he always thinks everything is fine.
And if you're poor, it doesn't matter if you're poor, you'll be fine, because he's not poor, so it's fine.
Everything is good.
Everything is good, everybody.
Everything's good in Rose Joe's world, so it should all be good in ours.
When we return, we're going to talk about snap benefits.
How long are they going to last?
Here in Wisconsin, not long.
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We were talking about the government shutdown now in day 22.
Republicans refusing to negotiate, they say there's nothing to negotiate.
Everything is good.
Mike Johnson this morning talking about how much they're saving people in their premiums and improving access to health care.
I'm not sure what planet he's on.
We played a clip from Wisconsin's own Ron Johnson saying this, you know, so people's premiums for the ACA gonna jump.
That's no gut punch.
It's gonna be fine.
Greg suggested that we not call him our senior senator
anymore.
No, no, no.
I feel like that denotes a level of respect I should give him and I don't want to give him that because he says things like this.
Christopher from Beaver Dam listening on WISS has a suggestion.
Yeah.
He said, you keep saying senior senator.
Try Senile Senator.
That's
good.
I wouldn't, I don't even want to call him.
I mean, I get that.
I like it.
It's good word play, but calling him.
Nice alliteration.
Yes, very much so.
Calling him senile though almost seems like an excuse because like when your, when your grandparent gets up there in age, you're like, yeah, they're just saying some things.
This is a Senator in, in, uh, the US government who is, who is lying consistently.
Yeah.
Uh, but we'll put that on the list.
He's not senile.
He's not senile,
but but but I think Christopher for the suggestion.
Yeah, Christopher you're under something.
Yes, you're under something.
By the way, I do think that there are cracks starting to show 11 House Republicans signed onto a letter yesterday calling for Speaker Johnson to make a deal on the subsidies for the ACA saying their districts are going to suffer without them.
Yes.
Yeah
Yes.
And there are Republicans who realize that a lot of their constituents use the Affordable Care Act, including farmers.
A lot of farmers.
A lot of farmers.
And I'm going to put that article in the show notes.
And when you read that article, I want you to think about what they're discussing.
They are discussing in closed door meetings the viability and the acceptance and how it will make them look.
as far as doing the things they're doing, and if I'm in the room, I would just say, why not then just fund the ACA?
Just do it.
It's a win.
You've given the billionaire so much.
No kidding.
Give us some crumbs.
To give the people the crumbs that you can't see.
will mean so much to them.
And I'm talking about like from a political strategy standpoint.
You want to be able to go back to your district and say, we save the ACA.
Look what I did for you.
You might not like Obamacare.
That's fine.
But we saved it for the people who's including our farmers.
Instead, they're strategizing in a room and losing the battle, even a battle they knew they were going to lose.
They knew this was going to happen.
But it's interesting because I've noticed how the algorithms are changing on my Twitter feed.
Yeah.
And yesterday, there's two things you can have.
You can have the people you follow,
and then there's the
for you.
And my timeline was full of nothing but Republicans calling it the Schumer shutdown,
or the Democratic
shutdown, and all that stuff.
So they're pushing that narrative really hard.
But if you also look at the modern history of shutdowns from back to just even Barack Obama.
the Republicans always get kicked in the teeth on this because they're usually the ones in charge when it happens.
Whether they've controlled the presidency or just the Senate and the Congress, when they're in charge and it shuts down, they always, I mean, right now this whole Schumer shutdown, it's sort of the thing where you're like, are you okay?
The Schumer, you realize that's not, he's not the guy, he can't do anything, you're in charge.
There
is a sound bite.
Yeah.
of our current president of the United States.
Oh, yes, there is.
From
a number of years ago, talking about whose responsibility it is.
From 2013.
In the case of a government shutdown.
Yeah.
And you know what he said.
What did he say?
He said it's the president's fault.
And he should be fired.
He should.
He should be fired.
And this is, and if we're going by that measure, I mean, this is the first, no, no.
Third shutdown under Donald Trump in both of his terms.
Third one.
And we're not even a year in.
No.
And we're marching towards the longest shutdown in US history, which was held by, wait for it, Donald Trump.
That's right.
So again, mega supporters, tell me how this makes sense.
Tell me how this helps us win.
Tell me how this is 12D chess that I just don't understand when he's destroying the White House, giving money away to Argentina.
And our current Congress is doing nothing to open the government up.
fund the people who need health care and just sit there and say, well, not my fault.
Well, and this whole excuse that Mike Johnson has about, well, of course, I sent the House members home.
There's nothing that we can do.
The government has shut down.
Senators are meeting.
The Senate is still in session.
Timie Baldwin's in the
office.
In Washington.
There is plenty that they could do.
Yes.
And the whole thing about not ceding this newly elected Democrat from Arizona.
Oh, we'll do that, you know, after the shutdown.
Yeah.
And these are all excuses to prevent the release of the Epstein files.
That is absolutely what that's about.
Because she could have been...
sworn in before the shutdown, because she was elected before the shutdown happened.
Well,
and, and Johnson has said, well, why aren't you working with your constituents?
She doesn't have an office.
She doesn't have a
budget.
Did you see the video?
She
doesn't have any of the things because she hasn't been sworn in yet.
She doesn't have a government email.
There's a great video of her in her office.
Here's a pile of laptops.
Can't sign in.
Here's a computer.
Don't have an email.
Can't make calls because I don't have the ability to do the things.
Yeah, I mean, and every excuse he's given has been countered by the media with, well, that's not true at all.
And here's an example of you doing the thing you say you can't do.
Mike Johnson, I mean, are you the speaker of the house or are you just the defender of the king?
I mean, there it is.
You're just, you're not speaking in the house of the people.
You are just defending the guy in charge.
It's the second thing.
There it is.
We have news coming up next.
And when we return, Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters Wisconsin will be joining us.
There's a suggestion on having non-partisans draw on maps.
Craziness.
What a nutty idea.
What does Ron Johnson
think?
That's all on the way.
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Good morning, Deb.
Thanks for joining us.
Good morning.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
Let's talk about there is a proposal for an independent commission.
to draw maps in Wisconsin.
What a crazy whacked out idea, Deb.
It's a great idea.
And we've been working really hard for over two years to put this proposal together.
Well, let's hear more about this.
OK.
Well, there's an ad hoc working group of the League of Women Voters.
And it contains many of our advocates who've been in the fair map space for years and years and years.
And the idea after we had fair maps signed by the governor in February of 2024, we pivoted.
These are good for now, but we knew that coming in 2030, another census cycle would begin.
And if nothing changed between now and 2030, whoever had power in the legislature would be drawing maps again.
And we know whoever has power in the legislature is going to draw maps that favor them.
So we pivoted to let's figure out how do we get a fair.
a map drawing process in Wisconsin that is independent of that political influence.
And the, so we researched, we talked to folks in all the states that have independent redistricting commissions.
We talked to all the think tanks that do the research on this.
And we put together a proposed piece of legislation that gives Wisconsin what it needs to create an independent redistricting commission.
So it is not somebody else's model.
It's not like Michigan.
It's not like California.
You know, for years we've been talking about, we need something more like Iowa.
Iowa is still a partisan process and we don't need that.
We needed something that was cleanly independent.
And so last Thursday, actually at the Capitol, we held a little rally, then I always loved to be at the Capitol rallying, but the,
Purpose of the rally was to announce to the legislature that we have finished our proposed draft and that we are going to deliver it to all of you and we did just that and Every legislature Legislature now has a copy of our proposal The LRB now has a copy of our proposal and hopefully it will without many changes It will become a bill and then we can really start moving it along
Can you tell us, Deb, what states do already have independent redistricting commissions?
I'm curious.
Yeah, Michigan, Colorado, Arizona, and California.
And there are others that have high breads, if you will, where the legislatures and the independent committees work on things.
But those are the ones that have truly independent commissions that have the authority to enact the maps that they draw.
That is the second phase of our initiative because in Wisconsin, our constitution actually gives the legislature the power to enact our district maps.
And so this is a two-phase project.
One is to get the legislation right now that will give us an independent commission that will be in place for 2030.
And then secondly, we will work on amending the constitution to give this commission
the power to enact the mams.
We're talking about a proposal to form an independent commission to draw up fair maps in Wisconsin.
Our guest here on Matt and Aaron here is Deb Cronmiller.
She's the executive director of the League of Women Voters.
In those states that you reference Deb that already have this type of independent commission, have there been a lot of screeches that this is wrong and this, you know, we're being robbed?
And it seems like it's working pretty well for those states that are
already have this in place?
It
is.
In Michigan, the state that most recently has enacted a commission.
In their first cycle of map drawing, they had some, what I'll call, little glitches, all have been repaired.
And that's what's so wonderful about having all these experts at our access.
You can see what
potholes there might be and how we can get them filled.
And really, we worked with folks at Brennan Center and Pew and different organizations.
And what we learned was that there's not a cookie cutter.
for how to do this because every state is different.
You know, we're suggesting a commission with 15 active commissioners and three reserve commissioners in case somebody would drop drop off.
We're also suggesting that the commissioners would be in place for the whole 10 years between the census cycles.
And so what's happening, for instance, in
California where they're taking a question to the people to whether or not they should enact a new commission to redraw maps at this moment and this time.
we're going to make that impossible.
So it would be the same commission, the same people.
So there'd be no motivation to draw a different set of maps.
They've already presented the best set of maps for Wisconsin and gotten those enacted.
So we tried very hard to be critical thinkers about what could happen, what could potentially be a glitch.
in this 18-page proposed legislation, there's a lot of detail.
And we talk about how the commission will be administered by the state, at the Department of Administration, that it will get a budget, that it will avail themselves of experts, not only in map drawing software and testing software, but what we want at the end of the day are maps that have been
contributed to by communities across the state.
You know, when we had the People's Maps Commission before the, you know, during the time when the Clark case was going, the, that commission was unpaid, did not have the experts that actually needed, came up with
pretty darn good map actually, but it could have been better and we know that.
And so we didn't want to...
just repeat a process that had some stumbling blocks
in
it and really be thoughtful about how to bring together 15 people and three reserve commissioners to ensure that the maps represent the communities across the state, that they would keep together communities that need to stay together, communities of interest, and that they would meet all constitutional requirements of what our
district maps need to be.
What a wacky idea to actually look down the road at potential problems and potential stumbling box and, you know, like consequences of that's just so crazy.
Well, and we saw, you know, with the Clark case, we saw that the
you know because the maps you know were not contiguous um they they were declared unconstitutional so we need to make sure that every single constitutional requirement plus you know we want to undo what happened um in 2011 when our map process got flipped upside down you know for for decades
municipalities, wards, districts, precincts, they worked first, and then the larger cities, then the counties, and then the state.
And that process...
is sensical because that makes sure that the the locality who is you know where the people are that are going to vote um they're represented their voices are being held together um when the state flipped it on its head that the state was going to draw it's as we as we know very gerrymandered maps and new municipalities you just have to conform now you have to figure out your districts that will work in our map drawing
process.
And we want to flip that back because it really is sensical that at the smallest unit of government is where we would start because the voices of the people are at the smallest unit of government, not at the state level.
I worked for the mayor of Racine back in 2009 into the redistricting, and our city administrator was in charge of giving his input feedback.
And I remember him saying to me one day, he goes, it doesn't matter what I say, they're not going to do this at all.
Because he knew, they knew already, because they were talking about it, that these maps were going to be gerrymandered into something that is almost comically bad, but it was really, really affected people's lives.
A question I have for you Deb is,
This has really come out of the wake of the fair maps fight that happened here in Wisconsin, but I mean the the the The story of it all but how long have you been how long have people been talking about getting an independent commission in Wisconsin?
Is it something that did come out of the fight or has there been conversations even before that?
You know five ten years ago or even going back further and just wasn't a thing that seemed feasible especially in that
10, 12 year process where it just seemed like the maps were going to be like this forever.
I think there have probably been discussions for 50 plus years.
Going back to 1971, that was the last time that our legislature and our governor actually agreed on maps.
All the other maps have been decided in the courts because they couldn't come to a consensus.
There was so much partisanship, so much political head bedding.
And so I think there have been conversations
We have had legislation introduced that would give us different models for a number of cycles.
No floor hearings.
No, no.
no real consideration of it.
At our rally, Jeff Smith, who's been in this fight for a long time, he indicated that it's really hard to move the needle when you have such political opposition to doing what's right
for
the people.
And we are going to try to the best of our ability to make sure that this isn't
a political sided argument.
When
we hit the floor with this discussion, this public hearing, there will be strong Republicans and strong Democrats who are supporting this legislation for the good of Wisconsin.
And I think it's really important, Deb, that when we very first started our discussion this morning, you pointed out that both Democrats and Republicans do naughty gerrymandering.
It's not just one side, both sides have done this naughty.
Naughty.
I'm just saying.
In Wisconsin, we've had the Republican gerrymander, but if just look to our south border, Illinois is one of the most extreme democratic gerrymanders in the nation.
And we don't want that either.
Nope.
No.
We want fair, fair maps.
And when we have fair maps, the very
topics and policy that people want will actually come through the legislature.
We've been waiting for years, for decades, for background checks, for energy policies.
public health, you know, that really needs the needs.
And we're not getting those things.
So now's the time.
We need fair maps.
We're to continue our conversation with Deb Cronmiller, Executive Director of the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin.
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And we're, as I said, we're talking to Deb Crommiller from the League of Women Voters Wisconsin.
And one of the things you also wanted to talk to us today was about Unite and Rise 8.5, a campaign to defend democracy.
Do you want to talk more about that and what you seek to do in this event?
Sure.
Back in April, the National League of Women Voters actually declared that we are in a constitutional crisis.
We have three branches of government that are all failing the people of the United States.
the response of the league was to create a campaign that would help mobilize eight and a half million people.
And that number is significant because that represents 3.5% of the electorate.
And what we've learned from think tanks like Pew and, you know, different organizational think tanks that when you can get
3.5% of the population, the electorate, behind something, you will move the needle.
And we are behind getting...
government that works for the people, not an authoritarian regime.
We want a judiciary that actually makes decisions based on law
and
constitution.
We need a legislature that holds our Congress, that holds both the executive branch and the judiciary accountable to the constitutional oath that every one of those folks have taken.
They took it to the Constitution, by the way.
Their oath is to the Constitution, not the president.
And also the whole, the whole design of the Constitution and this country was based on a really good idea, checks and balances.
We, we really knocked out of the park checks and balances for, for a long time.
And in nine months, in nine, 10 months, we have, we have reversed it into a place where we are on the same par with.
some other countries out there, but how do people become involved in this in this Unite unite and rise 8.5
Correct.
Um, well, there's lots of ways.
Yeah, you know, we were sponsored of the sponsor of the no Kings rally So you can go March
and 8
million people did across the United States You know, we have commitment forms that just indicate
and individuals saying out loud that I am going to participate in this resistance.
I am not going to be silent.
And that's something you can do.
You can do simple things.
You can write a letter to the editor and voice your opposition to what might be happening in your community or state, in the nation.
You can call your legislators and say, do your job.
We think you can even reach out, you know, be a letter to judges across the nation, asking them to do the same.
This is, we're in a critical time, Greg, as you just mentioned, and we have to do something.
We can't just watch it happen to us.
We have to resist it actively.
And I think, unfortunately, there is, at least for the side that wants to see authoritarianism in this country, there is the hope that people are just going to get exhausted and they're going to give up.
That is kind of the goal is to just keep up the pressure and keep wearing people down and they're just gonna eventually go, I can't take it anymore.
I'm not gonna do anything.
There's nothing we can do.
There are things that we can do.
Don't let anybody
tell you the otherwise.
And I think the momentum to do something is going in the right direction.
You know, the first no Kings rallies were well populated across the nation, but
this last weekend, we surpassed that in droves.
So more people are watching.
They're engaging.
And there are, of course, some people who just don't feel comfortable in those settings for a lot of good reasons.
But we've got to give them something else to do that's meaningful and important.
And on our website at the State League, we have
toolkit, if you will, that has ways that you can participate that are more behind the scenes, subtle, but will have impact.
And then there are ways, you know,
If you write a letter to the editor, you're putting your name in front of your whole community.
Some people are comfortable doing that.
Some people are
not.
And we recognize that.
And there's got to be ways for every person to be able to contribute.
We will include links in our show notes to the League of Women Voters Wisconsin.
And again, you've got a great toolkit there.
Again, and I think you make a good point, Deb.
Not everybody wants to get out there.
Not everybody wants to have their face out there.
There are lots of things you can do behind the scenes.
and still get your voice heard and still be part of this very important process.
Like going to myvote.wi.gov.
You can put in your information and it'll give you all of your representatives from the president down to the dog catcher and you can write them a letter, give them a call, visit them, be respectful.
But tell them what you expect from your leaders.
If it's a leader who you like, tell them they're doing a good job.
They need to hear that too, but if it's someone that needs to do their job, tell them myvote.wi.gov.
and check
out the league.
I'm sorry, go ahead, Tim.
Oh, I was just going to say, also, when you're on my vote, make sure you register.
Yes.
Check your status.
There's, you know, the WEC does four year maintenance.
They do things, you know, it's not a sure thing.
Check it.
Yeah, make sure you can also track ballots.
You can request ballots.
There's
You know, a lot of people sat out in November of 2024.
We may need to make sure that no one sits out going forward.
Deb Cronmiller is the executive director of the League of Women Voters Wisconsin.
Always appreciate your time, Deb.
Thank you so very much.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Stay tuned.
We have news coming up next.
And then when we return, Dr. Kristen Lierly will be joining us.
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So we all don't crack up.
Today's audio survey question, what movie should never have been made?
Yeah.
It just was a mistake.
Why did you do that to us?
What movie?
should never have been made, and we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this.
Shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the Bear With Me Now edition.
Stay tuned for that.
Right now we are joined by our friend and colleague and host of the Dr. Kristen Lyrely Show.
Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here.
Good morning, my friend.
Good morning.
How are you guys?
Good, good.
We are glad to see you.
This just kind of really jumped out last week.
I know we did talk to you about
Sperm last week.
We're gonna get back to that in just a second.
But Dr. Oz, who is part of the Trump administration, has a comment about Americans and our family size.
Calvin, let's play that clip from Dr. Oz and what the problem is in the United States.
But it turns out that it's about one in three families, a much higher number, that don't have the number of babies they desire.
They're under-babyed.
They're under-babyed,
Dr. Lyrely.
Under-babyed.
Not location-wise.
They're not located under a baby.
Are
they located in the placenta?
Where are they?
Don't come to me with that medical
talk, doctor.
Which, by the way, there's a reason she says that.
Bob Kennedy Jr.
Oh, boy.
Oh, God.
Okay,
one crazy person at a time.
He
said that women are taking Tylenol with the baby in their placentas.
That's not where the baby is.
I
think he did gobbling Tylenol.
And the placenta is like, you know, it's part of the complex.
It's part of the complex.
It's part of
the structure.
It's part of the baby arena.
So I just, okay.
Why do Republicans know so little about what actually, they're so interested, yet they know so little?
It's amazing.
Because it gets them elected.
The question I have for you, and I asked this question a while ago and you laid it out because
When he says under-babyed, I actually hear what he's trying to say because you laid it out very clearly months ago.
For me, because I just wanted to know, in this country, we do actually have a childbirth.
I don't want to say crisis, but there aren't enough children being born.
To
replace the people who are
dying.
Exactly.
And you said that's a thing.
And I didn't think it was.
And you are a doctor.
So please be our Dr. Oz Whisperer.
I don't think it's a doctor thing.
I think it's an economic thing.
We have an aging population that is large, and we are not having enough babies to be able to go into the future workforce and grow the economy to support our aging population.
But I mean, here's my disclaimer, I myself have four children.
We should have as many babies as we want.
we should be supported in having those babies, not just in getting pregnant, but in having a safe pregnancy, delivering these babies in a safe place, being able to raise and grow a family, being able to send our kids to college.
There's so much more to it than actually just like fertilizing an egg and saying go.
Well, you know, I think it's important considering you are an actual OBGYN.
So you see pregnant people like literally face to face, you actually talk and deal with pregnant people.
So you must hear about people's situations and what kind of situations they're in.
And economics plays a big part in whether or not you choose to expand your family, doesn't it?
It's huge.
Even when I talk to my own kids who are young adults, they can't even imagine what it would be like to buy a house, much less have a kid.
Do you know how expensive it is to raise a kid in this day and age?
Even if you're putting them in public school, which is getting less and less desirable these days, even if you're not thinking about saving for college because maybe they're going to take a different path, when you're looking at what it costs just to feed and diaper them, it is, you can't do it.
That's why we have the Milwaukee Dipermission.
That's why food banks are bursting at the seams with people who need help.
We do not have a society that is welcoming, that is actually encouraging people to have more babies.
So hey, Dr. Oz, you can do something about this.
You are part of this administration.
If you want people to have more babies, create a better society for us.
And I want to make something also clear about this.
When you talk about things like the Milwaukee Dipermission and food pantries,
which are all wonderful, like Milwaukee Dipermission
is all
over my Instagram with all the wonderful
things they are doing.
But I also wanted to spell this thought because we were, I at least, I don't know about the two of you, but I was raised of this notion of if you go to a place like the Milwaukee Dipermission or a food bank, you are poor.
And it's not just people who can't afford it.
It's regular folks who have
decent jobs who have actually have a home and children who need to utilize these services out there because they are having a tough time in this economy too.
I mean, when gas prices rise 30 plus cents overnight, this is a problem that affects everyone, not just the poor and the meek and the unwilling and whatever else you want to paint them as.
These are all folks who've fallen that working middle class, blue collar, working poor, who are utilizing these services.
And yeah,
You see the problem right in front of you, Dr. Oz, and not Dr. Kennedy and President Trump and Mike Johnson, but you choose to do nothing about it.
Instead, you point fingers and say, well, just have babies and just you're fine.
Yeah.
And they say the craziest things.
And it's not just nationally.
It's what's happening here in the state.
I mean, Jane, I know you wanted to talk about this new legislation that has recently been introduced that.
provides exemptions to the abortion bans here in Wisconsin.
And it is just crazy to me that a child care provider and a career politician from the North Woods want to define the kind of health care that you can get.
And the sentence that really, really brought it home for me was, so this is a representative who's close to me in northeast Wisconsin, they're literally trying to define like it wouldn't apply to a molar pregnancy.
It wouldn't apply to this kind of pregnancy.
And here's the quote.
She said she would also be open to discussing amendments, which would include exemptions performed, exemptions for abortions performed because of other medical complications like preeclampsia,
or maternal sepsis.
Are you kidding me?
You would need to get an exemption if you are dying from a blood infection that has the potential to not just, I mean, it could kill you, but it also could permanently maim you if, if you don't actually get to the point of, it is.
unbelievable to me that these politicians want to interfere, want to micromanage our lives in these so unre, such unreasonable ways.
If you're just joining us on Matt and Erin air, we're speaking with Dr. Kristen Lyrely, who is the host of the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show right here on Civic Media's on Saturday and Sunday.
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But I'm sorry to say this, but yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
When I see states like Texas who are just saying, well, let's just see what happens.
I mean, if she lives, she lives, but it doesn't matter.
It's the baby.
It's always about the baby.
So if she's going through the worst pain, the worst problems, she could be maimed, dismembered, or died.
If that baby lives, it's all worth it to them because that's the end goal period.
The baby being born.
What happens to the baby after they're born?
Well, that's not our problem.
It is not the problem of the government.
You know that small government they always want to do.
It's just about making sure the baby is born.
As long as that happens, it's a victory.
We know what happens.
Texas is the canary in the coal mine because they had SBA before we had Dobb.
So we've got almost a year of data that precedes what happened across the rest of the country.
Women die,
that's what happens.
Their
maternal mortality rate, the number of women dying associated with their pregnancy more than doubled.
And it became incredibly hard for my colleagues to take care of their patients because before they could actually provide care, they have to talk to an attorney.
Is that the kind of health care that you want?
If I am
thinking about what the options are for my patients and I know what I have to do and I know that I don't have time.
Do you really want me to have to stop and talk to an attorney before I can take care of you?
I don't think so.
Dr. Kristen Lyerly is our guest on Matt Nair on air.
She is the host of the Dr. Kristen Lyerly show across the network on Saturday and Sunday at noon.
PJ texting in on the live stream says, the cost to have and raise a child to age 18 in Wisconsin is about $220,000 according to recent estimates.
That even seems a little low.
That feels low to me.
As the mom of four kids, that feels low to me.
Yeah.
We even did cloth diapers when the kids were little because we were trying to, yeah, I know, right?
We were trying to cut corners because diapers are so, so expensive, even though we are the diaper capital of the world here in Wisconsin, so expensive.
Well, people forget, again, I don't have kids, you know, and when my friend Kristen had her baby, they go through like 20 diapers a day, easy, right?
Yeah.
And then you add the food and then you add the daycare.
Oh my gosh, daycare in this state.
It is just, it's everything.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be a young person.
And God forbid and God forbid a trip to the hospital.
That's all that is and that is the problem too.
And it's it doesn't matter if we're talking about parents.
It doesn't matter if we're talking about individuals.
It doesn't matter the age.
It doesn't matter anything unless you're rich and you can afford it.
But you can live a completely normal life living working your job paying your taxes just being a regular folk.
at a hospital visit in there.
One medical emergency.
That's the game.
That is the game to a lifetime of payment or bankruptcy.
And that is this country.
And if that happens with a baby, you have to, on top of the stress of your child going to the hospital, then you talk about the cost.
I mean, this is, again, we have leaders in Washington who could just do, I mean, some of the most bare minimum things and they're refusing to do it.
And then tell us to our faces, we're wrong for even asking.
You said the keyword bankruptcy.
The number one reason people go bankrupt in this country is because they have a health condition that they can't afford.
And we know within the next week or so, we're going to start seeing our re-ups for insurance and we know our premiums are going up.
So if you don't believe what I'm saying right now, just wait a week, you'll see it for yourself.
I think a lot of us need to see this.
It actually needs to impact us.
We have to feel the consequences in order to really believe what's happening.
And, you know, I think that the Trump administration thought that they were being very clever when they passed.
H01 by delaying
a lot of
these things until after the midterms.
But insurance companies and hospitals have to plan.
So these things are starting to hit us.
They're starting to be very real.
And it's about to become very painful for a lot of people.
Before you joined us last hour, we talked about Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who said, essentially, I don't think these premium hikes are going to be a gut punch.
It's not a big thing.
Ron
Johnson's
worth $66 million.
78.5.
Oh, sorry.
I undervalued you, Rojo, my bad.
We're going to continue our conversation with Dr. Kristin Lierly on the other side.
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Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here.
I did want to spend just a little time and go back to this.
The new Republican measure in Wisconsin
Johnson will exempt certain life-saving procedures from falling under the definition of abortion.
They just have problems with words, right?
That's
a great way
to put it.
They do.
They have problems with accurate definitions, and they are trying to take procedures which fall under the umbrella of abortion.
That is the medical term, and they need to change those words to make it more palatable.
That's what they're trying to do.
But let's remember these are the same folks who have introduced legislation, not here in Wisconsin, but in other states where you would have to take an ectopic pregnancy, a pregnancy that implants outside of the uterus and move it into the uterus instead of actually treating this condition that kills women every single day in this country.
These people do not understand how it works.
You cannot.
You
cannot
implant an ectopic pregnancy that right you that's not I'm
not trying I am I promise you I'm not trying to be funny But when I think of an ectopic pregnancy pregnancy, which by the way this show taught me what it was talking to you Dr. Lylee taught me what that was But when I hear about someone saying well, we will take
Take the baby and put it backward needs to be I think of movies in it where there are hospital scenes and they use those they use the the Go into the body and they pull a bullet out, but they use the cameras They think they're gonna be able to do that go in there use a screen find the baby and plant it back into where that's not
That was another one.
They wanted to introduce legislation.
They did introduce legislation that somebody would swallow a camera that
would then
end up in the uterus.
That's not how it works.
That's not where it goes, buddy.
The actual common sense stuff, the things that they say, the things that they introduce are not consistent with medicine.
You can not get your medical advice from a politician.
Whether we're talking about reproductive health care or preventive health care or cardiovascular care for your heart, none of this stuff.
And a great example is the fertilization business.
They want to define life beginning at fertilization.
Great.
If that's where your ideology is, great.
But recognize that fertilization means that a sperm and an egg come together.
That's a fertilized egg right there.
It doesn't happen in the uterus usually.
It happens in a tube and about 50% of those fertilized eggs just never implant.
They just fall out of your body.
So if you have to find life at fertilization, what happens when it leaves your body and it doesn't become something?
a crime that you can prosecute?
It seemingly so.
Well, there's two questions I have on this because this one blows my mind.
One, you've said in the past, there's no
Definite time when the egg gets, you cannot clock that.
You can't say Tuesday.
A light doesn't go off.
Fertilized.
Well, if you swallow a camera, you can watch it and see what happens.
There you
go.
Or if you do IVF, you know when fertilization
happens.
That is true.
But then doesn't that, from a legal standpoint, redefine the definition of life as far as, okay, I am 47 years old and 10 months.
Doesn't that mean if that all comes to pass, I am now 48 years old?
changes how old you are.
And again, not trying to be funny.
Really, if you say life begins at conception, that means that when you are born, if it is a healthy, quote unquote, normal pregnancy, you are nine months old when you were born.
And that is the law as some of these people want to make it.
Am I wrong?
No, you're right.
And we need a consistent definition that is based in evidence and reality, not ideology.
So if you're Jewish, then life doesn't begin until you take your first
breath.
Yes.
So then do we have different ages based on what faith we aspire to belong to?
We have to take the ideology out of it because we all have different belief sets.
We have to root this law in law, in fact, in reality, not in this magical ideology that these so-called Christians have
created in this kind of legislation.
And I
want to go back to something that you said, a Republican male lawmaker, and this is on video, you can Google for it, suggested that women swallow a small camera to find out what's going on in her uterus.
Unfortunately, they don't connect.
in
the body.
Throat bone connected to the uterus
bone.
Yeah, no, there's no, no, there's no pathway there that doesn't, it doesn't line
up like that.
Then let us ask Dr. Joel Kitchens, who is a sitting Wisconsin rep, who is a veterinarian.
He knows.
He knows more about birthing than anyone else because he is a veterinarian.
I really wish you two would give these men the respect they deserve for actually trying to provide solutions.
He knows mammals.
I know mammals.
If you want to swallow a camera, you're going to get a great look at your colon.
So that is maybe what they're going for to see, you know, what's in there.
That seems to be what they're focused on.
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We love having you
on the
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Appreciate it.
Thank you, my friend.
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Where we lighten things up, get
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We were talking before the show, Calvin.
You had found that Netflix is going to be making a show about something that they should not be making a show about.
Can you explain that, please?
Yeah, I found this article.
Netflix has acquired the rights, the film and TV rights to the settlers of Catan board game.
They're going to make a movie about a board game.
Apparently.
Yeah, it's very, I'm not sure.
The game doesn't have a narrative.
It doesn't have characters.
The object of the game is you have resources on the map and you roll dice to earn those resources and you spend the resources to build cities and villages.
Okay.
So I'm not sure where a movie is coming into this.
Wow, that sounds like a
stretch.
Yeah.
But that guy was talking about...
They should don't make this don't make this movie and it started us talking about movies that never should have been made Yeah, so that is our audio sorbet question today.
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Yeah, I did yeah this one I mean so I don't know I know the name settlers of a katana And I know how popular it is and if Calvin says that it doesn't make sense to make a movie that actually if Calvin Who you've played that game, correct?
Yes, I actually own it.
There you go Calvin who has played that game can say with full confidence He doesn't understand why it should be made that to me says
That's, that reason is exactly why they will make it because they see it as a fun challenge.
Oh, it's a challenge.
Yeah.
Uh, and this is not the first game to be turned into a movie.
May I remind you of the mid teens, 2000 teens.
movie battleship.
Oh, I've completely forgot about that.
They made a movie based on the nice even a board game.
It was a game that we played as kids.
Exactly.
And
sink other people's battleships.
It was all about warfare and destroying your enemies, you know, America.
And if you were really rich, you had electronic battleship.
Oh, but yeah, they this this is not out of the wheelhouse of Hollywood.
But again, you I just think of these boardrooms.
where these people who are wearing suits that cost more than my car payment times five are saying, you know what we should do.
That's a great idea.
And then you have to listen them talk in business speak about it.
They're like, you know, our internal numbers have shown that a high engagement rate with players with maximum engagement reachage and touch the people with their, it just, and then when it fails, you're like, yeah, we.
Told you not to do
this.
Yeah, we told you this was a bad idea.
What movie should never have been made?
That is our audio sorbet topic for today.
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Roger from Stevens Point.
Texted in early almost all of Elvis Presley's movies after 1963 should never have been made.
You're not wrong.
Everything before 1963 was just Academy Award winning art.
Well, he didn't have.
Yeah,
there it is.
There is a good movie
really name it name it
I'll have to look
at and we're moving on Do you have a Jane what is a movie off the top of your head where it's not even it's it's not even the fact that like you don't like it because there are a lot of Movies that I don't like that.
I understand why they're made Like they make a lot of money other people love right, but what's a movie that just befuddles your brain?
We're like, why did you do this one sex in the city?
Which movie?
The first or second?
The entire thing.
All the Sex and the City movies.
Why did you do that to me?
Why?
And
I
took it very personally.
And here's a little fun fact with Jane.
I don't disagree with you.
I saw the Sex and the City sequel in the movie theaters in Chicago and I along with everyone in the theater
We're upset.
We were very mad at what like this was insulting.
This was like, Hey, we have a budget.
They'll get paid.
Let's just do some, well, that's not even, you don't even look like you're having fun.
But here's the other thing about Jane is that that new show that just stopped and just like that, the three seasons.
Yeah.
You hated every minute of watching it.
Oh, I hate watched it.
You hate watch that show pretty much.
And that's the thing and that and that's the other problem too is that it will provide for you a bitter memory of a thing you love so like if you just would have sex in the city and I'll even give you the first movie for fun Like yeah, and the movie was whatever but then you get the second movie Then you get the reboot and now it's like the last season of Game of Thrones.
You're like, I don't let's not talk about that.
I personally feel like the new
Tron movie that just came out.
They remade Tron?
Okay, so it's not a remake, and it's sort of a sequel, but they did a sequel back in 2010, and that was nearly 30 years after the first one came out.
And that one didn't do so well.
It's actually come back at people, it's regarded reputation of being better than people remembered.
But it didn't make a lot of money, so they're like, yeah, we're not gonna do it.
And then all of a sudden they said, we're making a third Tron movie, and almost everyone in the Tron community, I consider myself part of it.
We're like, no.
Why?
Don't.
So you're gonna, oh, so you're gonna continue the story from the 2010?
Nope, new story.
Oh, they come to the real world.
world, but this movie is about being in the computer world.
Who's going to be a Jared Leto?
Why are we doing this?
What movie should never have been made 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 King Rat on the live stream says open water was terrible and the Blair Witch Project was a terrible disappointment at the end.
King Rat also says by the end of open water, I was cheering for the sharks.
And Halloween three season of the witch also a terrible movie didn't fit into the franchise at all.
Just a money grab.
Well, they felt like they had told the entire story and they're like, let's make it.
They wanted to keep the Halloween title going and say, we're going to make anthology films.
So it's little vignette films in the holiday, a Halloween milieu.
And people were like, where's Michael Myers?
They're like, let's bring him back.
So just to make horror fans mad, I will be like, Halloween 3 is the best one of all of them.
You gotta realize that, right?
Just because I want to be contrarian.
Oh, just because you're being annoying.
Yeah, it just couldn't be annoying.
What movie should never have been made?
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, Brett from Brown Deer, The Fast and the Furious, all of them.
No one is fighting crime by driving cars way too fast all day.
I was an Uber driver in Milwaukee at night.
I've seen enough of that driving to last a lifetime.
I can't even imagine.
That was the thing too, is the first Fast and Furious movie is about...
Cars and car racing and then you get into the later movies It's like we need to rob a bank in Rome and they're somehow jumping their cars off of buildings onto other bills as one does
Ridiculous completely turtle life.
Yes.
I
mean,
it's more of a biography film like an autobiography 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 what movie should never have been made Ollie from the Northwoods joining us on the phone.
Good morning.
Ollie.
What do you think about
this?
If you don't mind, we'd like to change the subject.
You were talking about, um, you were talking about, um, the, there's been a lot of articles out about the, uh, Republicans and ICE, et cetera.
We lost you there,
Ollie.
Sorry.
Oh, sorry about that.
And yeah, we're kind of in the middle of Audio Sorbet right now.
You
can always email us at janesaysatcivicmedia.com.
Jane says atcivicmedia.us is sorry.
Yeah, there we go.
Yeah.
Jane says atcivicmedia.us.
If there's ever anything you would like us to talk about something that you think that we missed.
or something that has jumped out at you.
Let us know about it.
Just email us at janesaysatcivicmedia.us.
Right now, though, we are in the midst of audio sorbet.
Yes.
And the question is, what movie should never have been made?
What movie should never have been made?
855-75248.
Our
guy Casper on the text line, Chris, our friend and colleague here at Civic Media listening on WAUK says, Waterworld.
That was the one with Kevin Costner.
That was his first bomb.
Well, yeah, it was, but it was post dances with wolves where he could do no wrong.
Like that was like the biggest film ever.
And, and he's like, what do you do next?
He's like, I'm going to make a hundred million dollar movie about the oceans being the earth.
And they're like,
Great.
Go forth.
But that's another movie that in the past 25, 30 years it's been out, it has garnered a cult classic cult narrative towards like people really enjoy it.
It just got lambasted in because it was I think at the time it was the most expensive movie that was ever made.
And that opened itself up for a lot of
criticism.
Carmella and Milwaukee listening on WAUK returned to the Blue Lagoon.
They returned to
the
Blue Lagoon.
Oh.
Weren't they trying to get away
from the Blue Lagoon?
Whoa.
That is hilarious.
I can't imagine how bad that was.
J. N. O. Clare listening on WCFW says most of the Friday the 13th movies.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of those hallmark
horror genre.
Well, they tried to milk those franchises
way too long.
You watch the first Nightmare on Elm Street movie and Freddy Krueger is terrifying by the final like by the like the fourth, fifth and sixth.
He's literally cracking one line or jokes the entire time.
It's
not even
like it because if we were in the today world, Freddy Krueger would be the antihero good guy because
That's what we do with our villains in movies.
They
can't be villains.
They have to be
good guys.
We sort of roof back.
Then they're like, well, we love him, but he's doing a murderer.
So let's just make him funny.
Great.
Yeah, exactly.
Great.
What movie should never have been made?
855-752-4842.
Penny texting in Ted and Ted too.
Oh,
with
the bear.
Yeah, I understand.
I like the first Ted, the second one, and the TV show is just miserable.
It's just so bad.
Kelvin, do you have a movie that you think is just not needed, or it befuddles you?
I guess, I haven't even seen it, but the one that comes to mind is the 2010 live action movie, The Avatar, The Last Airbender.
Yeah.
It's a loved animated show that is targeted around, like,
12 to 14 year olds, and they decided to make a live action movie, and it was just lambasted as awful.
Oh, yeah.
Well, and that's the thing I'll never understand, too.
They made a Three Stooges movie in 2012.
A live action Three Stooges movie.
And I don't know who needed to be fired after they did that.
By the way, happy birthday, Curly.
Yes.
Curly
of the
Three Stooges.
It was
fun
today.
We'll put a little bow on that.
That wraps up.
Audio Sorbet when we return.
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We went on to talk about the US blowing boats out of the water.
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It is 10.54, Calvin.
That means it's time for...
This shouldn't be a thing.
If you find a thing you think should not be, send it into Greg and me.
Jane says at civicmedia.us.
J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S.
Jane says at civicmedia.us.
This actually does not fit under the umbrella of this shouldn't be a thing, because we kind of love this.
And we didn't have any place to put it, so we put it here.
I'm just gonna tell you that.
Just being honest.
That's
the kind of transparency we'd like to see in government.
Jane McNair,
you bring into this show.
That's what you get on this program, this transparency.
This Calvin found from the Manhattan Times.
That doesn't sound made up.
No byline, unfortunately, but the headline reads, Bear breaks into California Zoo to play with other bears.
I love that.
Oh, can you not love that?
A young black bear cost quite a stir at Sequoia Park Zoo in Eureka, California, not by escaping, but by breaking in.
Last week, a zoo worker found the wild bear standing curiously nose-pressed up against a fence of the zoo's resident black bears.
What followed was a surprising and harmless encounter that left zoo staff and visitors both puzzled and amused zoo supervisor Christine Knowle
Said the bear was very polite, stayed on the path, kept all four paws on the ground, didn't try to climb any barriers.
I'm just here to see my friends.
He was just spotted walking through a trail, and then he was seen interacting with the zoo's three resident bears through the fence.
One staff realized the bear wasn't theirs.
It's like, how many bears do we have?
One, two, three.
That would be four.
You have four now.
You have four bears now.
We have an extra bear.
One staff realized the bear was not theirs.
They started emergency protocols.
One employee radioed, is this a drill?
No, we have a loose bear.
Not every day, they help with crowd control for a bear who doesn't understand stay behind the railings.
Because he was right up against the fence so we could talk to his friends.
Thankfully the wild bear never came into contact with visitors.
They believe it's a young bear about one and a half years old.
Calm, curious, going nose to nose with other bears in what appear to be polite introductions.
Okay, a few things here.
If the bear didn't get to stay there, that's the thing that shouldn't be.
This bear should be living there now.
Yes!
They can it's fine.
They're an expert still know what to do.
It's a baby bear.
And also it's stories like this that make me want to go pet bears.
I'm sorry.
Don't pet
bear.
I'm
not going to.
But when you hear about cute little bears with their nose pressed, you're
like, I
just
want to be friends with them.
Aren't they adorable?
They don't want to be friends with you.
After playing with some of their toys, a wildlife warden gently guided the bear back into the nearby forest.
They're still trying to figure out how it got over the
perimeter fence which is topped with barbed wire.
They think he may have climbed a tree and then dropped in accidentally and then found himself on the wrong side of the fence.
I really blame my dog.
I don't think I'd have these kind of feelings for the stories like this if I didn't have a dog
because
now I'm just thinking of a tiny little bear being all cute like I just want to play with my friend.
Oh my
god.
Okay.
Everything happened.
Everything wrapped up well.
Yeah.
Everybody was fine.
Good.
online local speculated about the bear's motives suggesting it was looking for snacks friends possibly to be a bear ambassador or an ambassador Thank you.
I was as
soon as you I'm like she's not gonna pass that up.
She's not gonna pass that up at all.
Oh, that's a good story and we love it.
Oh We're kind of pro bears visiting.
Oh, yes, and and and come on back to there Supervised visits.
I don't know.
I just want this bear to be part of their lives now.
They can he can come back
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