You Have A Voice, You Have A Choice (Hour 1)

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The deployment of troops onto American streets and we're also gonna learn the definition of a word.

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Something it's something

it will leave you it will leave you speechless

plenary authority.

What is plenary authority?

We're gonna learn about that with Jim Santel coming up after the 9 30 news next hour right after the top of the hour news Retired Major General Randy Manor is gonna be joining us.

He has been on the show many times before more than 30 years in the US military He has some thoughts about the recent speech

that pete hagseth and donald trump made in front of our generals that was interesting

yeah

and uh yes we have a clip we have a compilation clip of some of the president's comments to our gent our nation's generals uh that will be in hour number two then for the last half an hour we will lighten it up as we always do jimmy kuska civic media news director news director sports director

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Today it is the Museum of What Edition.

So I would encourage you to stick around for that.

Did want to start off with this is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Microsoft.

I'm sorry, this is from WISN.

Microsoft drops Caledonia data center.

after community pushback.

We're hearing more and more about these data centers.

AI, artificial intelligence, requires a lot of power.

Yes,

they do.

And a lot of water.

And we have access to both of those.

And we also have a lot of farmland that's no longer being used.

If you drive up and down, I mean, I drive up and down Kenosha to Racine to Milwaukee all the time.

acres upon acres of land that aren't being used that are for sale that are being I mean if they're not building data centers there they're gonna they're building gigantic warehouses there

storage units and

stuff

like that but yes the tech giant Microsoft pulling out now from a

244-acre development near Douglas Avenue because of this pushback from the community about building a data center in Caledonia.

At least some of the folks who commented in this article who live near the site, Prescott Balch says he's ecstatic.

We think it's the right decision.

We're not gloating because we won.

We think we've come to the right conclusion for the village.

This gentleman and other fellow people who live in Caledonia have spent the last two months forming this coalition to fight against this data center.

They're worried about long-term environmental concerns.

They require a large amount of water being used every single day, taking water from Lake Michigan.

Millions.

Millions of gallons.

Millions of gallons.

A medium-sized data center from what I could find this morning consumes about 110 million gallons of water per year for cooling purposes because they have to cool all these things.

Larger data centers can drink up to five million gallons a day or almost two billion dollars or two billion gallons a year equivalent to a town of 10 to 50,000 people.

And the other thing too with these data centers is the amount of electricity that they consume and this is a concern to folks because our grid, our power grid, was not designed for this.

And so if you get a lot of these data centers in one area, I've read that Virginia in particular right now is kind of leading the way, their homeowner's electricity rates are going up.

Yeah.

I mean, then the other thing too, I'm looking this right up.

I'm looking this up right now is the average amount of jobs too, because data centers, as far as I know, it's not like, you know, like if a factory comes to town, they're going to employ a lot of people.

It's going to be good solid jobs.

for it for a long time for a long time.

I'm looking at the average data center employs dozens to a few hundred per minute staff.

It's nothing to shake a stick at that's still jobs, but it's not like they're going to be bringing in 10,000 jobs.

They're not going to be bringing in a lot of contribution to the community.

Right.

It's they're here to take

They're gonna take our water and electricity and they're gonna think that slapping their name on a community event a parade or a Park that will be like oh, we want to give back.

No, they're going to take our water They're gonna take our land.

They're gonna the electric the electrical the your Power bills are gonna go up

Well, they're gonna have to they're gonna have to make improvements to the power grid.

Mm-hmm.

We're gonna need more infrastructure going into the power grid

And this subsequently, as we've all seen, our companies don't tend to just suck that up themselves

or

cut back on executive bonuses.

No, they pass that on to the consumers.

Yeah.

And we also live in a state where Madison isn't big on helping to pay for things.

So who like.

what portion is the community gonna pay for?

What portion does the state pay for?

Are they gonna go for federal dollars?

Are there federal dollars available?

I mean, these are a lot of great questions that need to be asked because really, since the announcement of Microsoft taking over the Foxconn land or leasing it out to do their data centers, this has become a huge thing.

This has become a, I mean, I hear lobbying firm commercials for data centers on the radio.

Now they want to make Wisconsin probably a Midwestern hub for data centers because the lake accent, actually, I didn't say Wisconsin, southeastern Wisconsin or the Eastern corridor of Wisconsin, that area, because there's so much lake access.

I'm not against this completely.

What I'm against is that they should just be able to walk in and do it, and that's why I say kudos to the people of Caledonia.

Well, it seems that the folks in Port Washington got onto this a little bit late.

This

is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Port Washington's $8 billion AI data center now sees swell of pushback, but this is coming too late.

Yeah.

Port Washington Common Council Chamber filled up past maximum capacity at a meeting on October 7th.

A lot of folks talked about they were concerned about the enormous energy pull, how much it's gonna be built, about the transmission lines, about water, all of those things, but they're kind of, the project's already underway.

Yeah.

I'm trying to think, where are you gonna put a $8 billion data center in Port Washington?

That's all.

The mayor Ted Nitsky said the company is set to break ground in the next six to eight weeks.

Yeah.

And this is something, you know, I'm going to take this moment to focus on a point that we've made over and over and over on the show and other people have made to raise your voice.

Let your leaders know what you are thinking.

If you live in an area that is even remotely close to the lake,

You know, even, I would say people in Waukesha, you're, you're 30 minutes from the lake, but you're 30, 40 minutes from the lake, but this still affects you.

And my point being is that you go to my vote.wi.gov.

Find out who your local leaders are.

You know, we talk all the time when we're talking Congress and the senators and the president.

But find out who your common council members are.

Find out who your county supervisors are.

If you see something like this coming on up, you call them and tell them.

And you show up.

You voice your opinion.

We still live in a country where our voices can be heard.

And these are the moments kudos again to Caledonia for standing up.

Because you think about it, I mean, nowadays everything feels like David and Goliath.

Absolutely

big company comes through a billion dollar company comes through like what voice do I have?

Well, here's a perfect piece of proof showing that when the people of Caledonia had a problem They raised their voice and something was done.

Is it over?

I don't know but this is proof that the people's voice can be heard a

five to two vote earlier and had advanced rezoning plans for the site

with the matter set to go before the village board, but after their decision by Microsoft not to pursue this, it's unknown how this will go on the pending rezoning.

But the other thing I've seen in regard to the data centers and all of that stuff, one of the ways that just regular homeowners can combat this and the rising energy prices is by solar panels.

Unfortunately, the Trump administration has cut all the

help for people who want to install solar panels.

I believe that expires next

year.

And if you are interested in knowing more about that before before governments tax credits may be going away, there are programs out there.

You can find out more.

You can go to rewiringamerica.org.

You put in your information like where you live and it'll give you all of the opportunities to get yourself

solar or wind or whatever and it has it has rebate offer it has it has information for rebate offers it won't offer you anything directly but this is like one hub where you can find all the ways of getting yourself maybe a little less on the grid as far as you know it rhymes with

but yeah, rewiringamerica.org.

I'll put it in the show notes, but that's a great resource.

And if you don't know where to find the show notes, it's super easy to do.

You go to our website, go to civicmedia.us.

At the very top, you click on shows that will take you to all of the shows across the network, scroll on down to Matt Nair on air, and there will be about two months worth of archived shows.

you look for the date and then Greg includes links to all the articles that we talk about if you would like to research further and we will include that in there too that that rewire.

Kurt from Eau Claire by the way texting in listening on WCFW says a data center was stopped by citizens in Monomony Wisconsin great in Dunn County so again you can you can make a difference we are not completely completely without options

and the local level is where it affects you

the most and directly.

That's where things happen the

most.

It is.

Like you

said, your common counsels and your village boards and

all that stuff.

These are people you can call at home and they'll answer you.

If they're worth their salt as far as being a public servant, they're going to answer those calls or call you back or email you back.

But yeah, contact them.

Get in touch with them.

Let your voice be heard.

That is our power.

Myvote.wi.gov.

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This is not a laughing matter what's been going on in Milwaukee, and it's happening for a decade, if not longer.

Because when I worked on Capital Drive, I saw it every day, the reckless driving, and the number now of fatalities we have because of reckless drivers just keeps growing.

And so they've tried bump outs, they've tried traffic calming measures.

Traffic calming.

Now the city of Milwaukee is considering red light cameras.

If this is a bipartisan bill, if it would pass, drivers who run red lights or speed more than 15 miles an hour over the limit could get tickets by mail.

I got one of those ones.

You got a ticket by mail.

Did you ignore it in Chicago?

Oh, because of a red light camera.

Yeah, my husband used to work in Chicago.

Yeah, the same thing.

They're I mean, they can be very twitchy because Paul used to complain about.

If you went slightly over the line at an intersection, it will nail you for that.

I am of two minds on this one.

And actually, just so everyone knows, we have Dan Schaefer on the show every Friday in the second hour.

And this is something he said he wanted to talk about as well.

So we'll expand upon this topic with him tomorrow.

I'm of two minds with this.

I personally feel like this is going to ding a lot of people who make simple mistakes.

And like you said, if you go up to the line and they, I don't think that's fair.

I don't think that's right.

And it's just another, it's another annoyance in someone's life to either have to go to court or just to fight it, pay for it.

And it's on your record and it dings your insurance.

I think the, the people that they want to target.

And by the way, I would love to see Kenosha and Racine maybe adopt something similar because while

I won't disagree.

Milwaukee has a reckless driving problem.

Kenosin Racine are developing their own.

Their runners up.

Their speeders up is what they are because it's, you know, I haven't seen accidents, but that doesn't mean you don't do anything.

The people they want to target.

I don't think we'll care that they get a ticket.

If you are running red lights and you are speeding at such a, I mean, yes, some people might be like, oh, geez, oh, darn it.

But I think that when we talk about reckless driving, there's like two, three places everyone talks about.

And I feel like a lot of the individuals who drive at that speed and that kind of that level of recklessness, they're not going to care about tickets.

They're not going to care about repercussions.

They're just going to do their thing.

So I don't know what the true fix is.

Well, yes.

And I don't either.

And there's,

two mindsets, two about police chases.

And some have called now for police chases to stop because reckless drivers don't care who they kill when they're running from the police.

But at the same time, there are those who say because at one point Milwaukee did stop police chases, that emboldened bad guys to take off because they knew they weren't going to get chased.

Yeah, it's really, I don't

I'm all for the discussion.

I'm all for trying to bump up the bump outs call traffic calming.

I honestly try everything if you can, but we also have to realize at some point there's just some people in this world who don't care and care.

And that's a different discussion.

Let's make it safe.

Absolutely.

As I get older, Jane, you know me.

I only drive like, I think I do no more than 10 on the freeway over.

I don't even like doing that.

And I don't, I rarely do it five over on regular streets because I just would rather, I would rather be safe and get to where I need to go.

And if you're annoyed by that, that's your problem.

But yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a big conversation that affects more than just the big cities too.

Oh, without a doubt.

Well, as I've often tell my husband, if everyone just drove like me, there would be no problem.

Just all

just all drive like me if you ever see Jane ask her about her highway anxiety

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Absolutely.

All your rule of law, all your justice-related issues, they all derive from the script for the Princess Bride.

Inconceivable!

You go.

Boy, and is that an applicable word these days, but...

Let's start, Jim, with talking about the federal judge in Chicago today, who is having a hearing on the president's use of sending in the military to what, right now, are predominantly democratically run cities.

So where are we with this?

Where are we?

You know, this is an important day in the rule of lobby caused by my count.

Somewhere in about the next 90 minutes, there are going to be two hearings in America.

They're very important on this issue.

Both of them 11 a.m.

are time, 2,000 miles apart.

One of them, Jane, is what you just mentioned.

That is a hearing in front of Judge April Perry, P-E-R-R-Y.

She is a federal district court judge.

She is in the Northern District of Illinois.

She's in the Dirksen building.

She's appointed by the president.

Lifetime tenure and early this week she was she was presented assigned to this case involving the challenge to everything that's going on in Chicago this notion of bringing in again the National Guard from places local and not so local and she said you know I want some briefing on this I want the lawyers to tell me what's going on here so she established a briefing schedule they're supposed to submit all their papers by last night and yes indeed in about less than 90 minutes she's going to be opening a hearing in Chicago on

on all of these issues.

Interestingly, while she said, you know, I'm not going to preclude the president from going ahead right now, I would recommend that you wait until after the hearing before you do anything, which is kind of not all that strong order from a judge, but plainly sending some signals, even as we know, even as of this morning.

reporting, obviously, that literally hundreds of national guard troops perched, ready to move into Chicago, awaiting that result.

Again, 2,000 miles to the west, you have in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

This comes up from a judge, another federal district court judge.

Her name is Karen Immigate.

I-M-M-E-R-G-U-T.

She is the one who is very busy.

last weekend when she was presented with a like lawsuit there in Oregon, in Portland, and she determined that this is an overreach by the president.

You can't do this, Mr. President.

Nothing gives you authority, constitutional statutory.

Knock it off.

Do not bring in National Guard soldiers.

Oregon, a National Guard.

And this strikes me, what happens next strikes me, Jane is one of those things that you and of course Greg and all your listeners will be outraged by.

My guess is Stephen Miller back in the White House looks at this and he says something like, hmm.

She told us we couldn't bring in Oregon National Guard.

What about from some other states, right?

Let's

bring in Texas.

Exactly, bring in Texas.

Let's try to do an end around this judge, which I can tell you federal judges just love that when you try to twist their words.

I like to say I never did that, never even thought about doing that.

And so sure enough, she gets on the phone on Sunday night.

Sunday night, she says, everybody back in.

Let me be very clear about this.

Not only

as the Oregon National Guard not coming into Portland, but if there's a National Guard from any state in the union, any place in the galaxy that may have a National Guard, they're not to come in to our city, knock it off, stay away.

And that is the order, of course, that Stephen Miller and folks of the White House have now appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and they're having an emergency hearing on it almost at exactly the same time, within the next hour and 15 minutes or so, as the judge in

the District Court in April, Perry District Court in Northern Illinois is having.

So we're having these two.

very similar, if not exactly the same issues, different jurisdictions testing the president's capacity to do this.

And I know what all your listeners and you will ask next, which is, okay, federal judges say, can't do this.

You've got no power.

We now ask this question in America of the constitutional crisis and you shrug your shoulders just so appropriately, Jane, because the question is, does the president care?

Does the attorney general care?

And if a federal judge says, don't do something, are we going to follow it?

That's authoritarianism.

That's a constitutional crisis of the highest order.

And we'll see what happens.

Again, if this White House decides to take on one or two federal judges over this issue.

Well, and again, who's going to stop them?

If you know that the court says you cannot do this.

And Trump says, I don't care.

And he just goes and does it anywhere.

And I just want to point

out to the many, many examples going back quite a few years now.

They're shirking the courts subpoenas testimony things of that nature I mean straight out lying under oath if you ask me because like they're just lying all the time so

For them to disregard the courts now is nothing new.

It's completely on brand.

And I think it's interesting that she had to call them back in to tell them, look, I have to clarify because that's what they also do.

If you say one thing, they say, well, you didn't say this.

Exactly.

That is

the logic of a nine-year-old child.

Yes.

And what's funny, Jim, and I don't mean to make it a joke, really.

It's the fact that you say,

not another, not another national guard in the galaxy.

They'll be like, well, what about in the universe?

We'll find, you

know, that's how far they take

it.

And they don't

care.

They're going to do whatever they want.

And I just, from a legal standpoint, Jim, I ask you this, who has the power then to say no, is it the governor?

Is it honestly a, maybe a general who says, I will not do this.

I mean, they will be punished for that, of course.

But at this point, it feels like if we can't, if we can't have the courts,

take care of this, or if they're not going to listen to it, who is the next level of dissenters who can actually have a little bit of power against what is growing to be an authoritarian

rule?

invoking a former president much admired by our current president Andrew Jackson saying, with respect to the Trail of Tears, you and whose army,

Supreme

Court, right?

And so is it going to get to that?

And yes, I think both of those, we know that Pritzker, we know that Gavin Newsom out in California, they are hot about this issue.

That's a very superficial way of describing it, but they're angry.

And again, to the extent that this White House doesn't, if they don't follow these orders,

They will issue their own orders.

And yes, governors do have authority to do this.

And yes, indeed, all those folks were gathered at Quantico a week or so ago who stood their stone faced.

We know what they're all thinking.

Yes, they cannot say something out loud, but they're also required.

They took an oath of office, Greg, to the Constitution.

And when a federal court tells the military, as they sometimes do,

Do this, do not do this.

They're also obliged to follow that.

And balancing what they know as an unconstitutional directive from a president who is exercising powers he does not have against judges who are having reasonable hearings, making these determinations, invoking the rule of law, I think it may come to that finally, where you've got generals saying, in pursuit of my oath of office,

I am going to choose the rule of law.

And we hope, we hope it doesn't.

I mean, here's the other aspect.

We've got these hundreds of National Guard right now perched outside of Chicago waiting for this hearing this afternoon.

Please tell me, we're not going to have armed conflict on the street between what?

National Guard members and domestic police, I don't even want to raise the specter of that.

That can't be in America, can it?

And yet it's being set up, even the fact that I say that hopefully just rhetorically, without any reality here, but it underscores the fact that as we think about, what are the remedies out here?

What could happen next if this goes so badly?

It's all put in motion by a president who has no respect and no understanding fundamentally of how this works.

He doesn't know about government.

He's never read the Constitution.

He doesn't know anything about his powers and the things that are being discussed before the Supreme Court.

He picks up little bits and pieces.

I know, Jane, you talk about, you know, the references to, you know, getting rid of the First Amendment and free speech, that kind of thing, which we should chat about as

well.

He doesn't know what that means.

He doesn't know it.

But somebody told him that and so he throws that out.

The recklessness and also say one more thing and then I will be quiet and that is just this.

The cynicism.

We've talked about this before because what fundamentally he's relying upon is the notion that Americans in his mind are stupid and they do not know how things work and they do not know what the institutions require and in fact Americans do.

I'm not saying they were able to teach civics courses at the college level tomorrow, but Americans do.

The cynicism from this president believing that people will believe whatever he says as gospel truth is simply not the case.

But he relies upon it and we will see it's going to be tested maybe as soon as this afternoon, tomorrow over the weekend, we are at a critical juncture right now in America as we have been, as we have been.

frankly, since certainly March 15th, but January 20th of this year.

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We are talking about two cases that are being heard in court this morning, different parts of the country, about whether or not Donald Trump has the authority to send in National Guard troops into states which are not requesting them.

And I guess one of the big areas of frustration, Jim, is, and I've seen reporters on the ground in Portland, there is a one block area.

where this ice facility is located, where actually I've seen videos of people dressed up like dinosaurs dancing.

So when I see the president said yesterday, all the burned out cities and all the burned out stores and everyone has to put card, you know, wood up over their windows to prevent them from getting smashed.

That is not what is happening on the ground in Portland.

And the governor told him as such that this is not happening, where he responded,

That's not what my people are telling me.

So I want to connect that to your point, Jim, of he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He says the last thing someone says to him, and he is told by the highest official in the state, no, these aren't a problem.

And he says, well, that's not what I've been told.

Are you telling, literally, are you telling me that I'm being told other things?

Yes.

Yes, they are feeding you things to they are feeding you things mr. President to keep you happy that will support your own narrative That's what they do.

He's like a five-year-old.

Yeah, we have to give him something give him another cookie So he doesn't have another tantrum or he's gonna embarrass us in the store.

That's where we are Among the many other things he does not know Apparently this is kind of a problem among some of his cabinet members and including Stephen Miller

Who does not know or does know what the word plenty or plenary authority means?

This came up and this is kind of an important this is kind of an important thing We are going to talk about that with Jim Santel and we have an

audio clip.

It's amazing We we do

have an audio clip You may want to look it up while we go to break plenary authority Yeah, and just see if you can find a definition for that and then we're going to talk about Pam Bondi's appearance

Before the House Committee, she had all her insult lines written down.

Like a bad comic.

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Right now, we're joined by Jim Santel, our friend, colleague, host of Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings across the network from 9 to 11.

We wanted to talk about words, Jim, and what words mean.

We have a clip from Stephen Miller's right hand guys, from President Trump's right hand guy, Stephen Miller.

Uh, appearing yesterday on the, uh, network it was on CNN.

It was on CNN.

Yes.

Let's play this clip, uh, for Mr. Santel, please.

You've called the district judges ruling locking the deployment of National Guard in Oregon legal insurrection.

Does the administration still plan to abide by that ruling?

Well, the administration filed an appeal this morning with the Ninth Circuit.

I would note the administration won an identical case in the Ninth Circuit just a few months ago with respect to the federalizing of the California National Guard.

Under Title X of the U.S.

Code, the president has plenary authority... What?

Stephen?

What happened?

Hello?

Stephen?

Hello?

Stephen Miller.

Oh, nice.

Stephen

Miller went into buffering mode.

Stephen Miller was buffering there after those words came out of his mouth.

It was almost like he realized, I shouldn't have said that out loud.

What does that mean, Jim

Santel?

Yeah, somebody probably in the West Wing there was banding that about, as I'm sure they do.

It is, comes from Latin.

It's one of those things that lawyers like to bandy about when they talk about the full, complete, unfettered authority of a government entity.

And so what he basically said is, we have a king.

We have an unbridled executive who can do whatever he wants.

Anything.

I'll

give you some examples.

But there are a couple of them in the Constitution.

Maybe it's the only one.

President has plenary authority to issue pardons.

We know that.

Unfettered.

He can do whatever he wants.

It may well be that Ghislaine Maxwell will sometime soon be

The recipient of one of those, now the Supreme Court has denied her appeal.

But you know what else is a plenary authority?

Stephen is the Commerce Clause also establishes the right of the Congress, not the President, to establish things related to trade.

There's another word for you, Stephen, and that includes a thing called tariffs.

That's also a plenary authority.

What?

Full complete, right?

So lots of education going on here.

It is, Jane, Greg, listeners of yours.

It's a part of this same mantra that goes back to this thing we talked about.

I know it sounds very wonky.

The Unitary Executive Theory comes out of Project 2025.

It's this notion that the president has powers well beyond what the Constitution says, yes, with respect to other agencies that are not governed by the executive branch, can do it every once.

But basically,

it is an unfettered executive.

And you know where else it comes from?

You know where else the word plenary comes from?

It comes from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who you may recall.

talked about this a lot.

July 1 of last year, not this past summer, issues that order in Trump versus the United States, yes, giving him immunities from criminal prosecution, but also saying we got to have a president who is powerful and muscular and be able to respond quickly and can't be, I can't be annoyed and diverted by things like, oh, I don't know criminal prosecutions and let lost stuff.

Yeah.

That doesn't

allow him to pump his plumpy muscles over America.

There you go.

Right, right.

And that was the point I was going to

make is that the Supreme Court has given him the right.

The fact that Stephen Miller tripped up at anything was like, just admit

it,

dude.

That's what you want.

Right.

Right, exactly, exactly.

And again, he recognized plainly what he is saying, which is he's declaring what I think many of us believe that we're an authoritarian system

right

now, constitutional crisis in the rearview mirror, but probably not authorized to go on CNN and say that out loud because we're still engaging this facade that we will follow what district court judges and appeals court judges are doing when in fact everybody has said, we don't care so much.

Emil Beauvais, one of our favorites right now in the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, told so those folks inside the Department of Justice, Judge tells you what to do.

I won't use the word on this fine radio program, but he basically said, blank you.

That's what you tell federal judges.

That's the tone of this administration.

That's what Stephen Miller was really talking about yesterday.

Yeah, it's Donald Trump's world, and we just get to live in it.

Because they're all they're his agencies.

They're not the United States agencies anymore.

They're his agencies and they do what he wants.

There's a wonderful breakdown of the unitary.

Say

it again.

the military executive theory, right?

I'm ashamed to say that comes off my tongue now.

It shouldn't, right?

It should be obscure and nobody should know about it.

There's a great breakdown on last week tonight when they talk about Bill Barr because he was a big pusher of this back in the day too.

This is not a new thing, by the way.

And I think he's seeing it happen in front of him and he's like, this is not what I even wanted, this version at least.

Bill Barr?

Bill Barr, because he wants, he wanted to be the guy behind the guy and he's not anymore.

Not anymore.

But

it's a great breakdown, the history and what it,

all entails in it really describes what's happening now so.

Right be careful what you maybe wish for what you plan for because sometimes you can't control what happens and that's what we're in right now.

We uh we're not going to have time Jim to play the entire clip of Adam Schiff mentioning all of the things that Pam Bondi refused to answer when she appeared before a house committee it was unbelievable have you ever seen

Any attorney behave like that in front of

a House committee?

Never.

I'm going to say it's unprecedented, not only not to respond.

You can say things like, you know what, I can't talk about that.

Can we talk about that in camera?

That's sensitive, that sort of thing.

But to refuse to answer any questions and then go on the attack and say, well, you know, you've got that bad thing in your history.

This was a political event.

horrified, horrified that an attorney general, unlike any other attorney general in history, would behave that way.

She did it just yesterday.

She essentially did an hour of, that's what you said, but what am I?

It was unbelievable.

Jim Santel hosts Amicus, a law review Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 across the network.

He joins us every Thursday.

Thank you so much, Jim.

We will see you next week.

We got news coming up next, and then when we return, retired Major General Randy Manor is joining us.

It's going to be a great conversation.

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Retired Major General Randy Manor is our guest.

Good morning, sir.

Thank you so much for making time for us.

Good morning.

Always great to talk with you, Jane.

So many places to start.

Really, so many places to start.

I wanted to ask you, first of all, the training that's involved with our National Guard troops and our military troops.

And again, you were a major general in the U.S.

Army.

You were in the Army for more than 30 years.

Is the training that our troops receive the same training that local cops get?

Absolutely, positively, no.

Local police, state police receive four to six months of training according to the local city or town or state.

And that covers a wide variety of areas from local law, how to deescalate situations, what are their duties or responsibilities, as well as, of course, police activities and actions.

which includes firearms training and so on and the proper use of firearms according to the local laws.

Our military receive no training like that whatsoever.

The most they receive will be a handful, I mean 10, 5, 15 hours of instruction of whatever things they need to know for the particular mission they are doing to support

in this particular case, ICE.

So the answer is hell no, they don't receive that kind of training.

They also receive huge amounts of training in combat operations, which of course would never be used in American cities.

Well, I guess that's kind of my point, sir, is that, again, our military is trained to make war.

Local police get different training on how to de-escalate situations and how to write and try to, I mean, it's a different kind of training.

Absolutely.

It's also important for all your listeners to understand that this administration is trying to escalate tensions in blue cities and blue states.

He is not an administration.

He is not a president nor an administration who wants to de-escalate violence.

he actually wants to create environments where let's just pour some gas on that little tiny fire, or he'll start a fire where there is none whatsoever.

It was rather shocking.

I was doing a CNN interview last week where the commentator was saying, look at these national guardsmen, how they're treating those protesters.

And I said, first of all, those are not national guardsmen.

Those are ICE and other federal agents.

They are, quite frankly, Trump's Gestapo.

They are poorly trained.

They are in military uniforms.

They vary by their uniform.

Many of them have face masks.

It was a mob.

So whenever I was talking about it, the mob was not the protesters.

The mob were these untrained, poorly trained.

Again, I use this term so everyone understands it.

These are nothing more than Trump's

Gestapo

and I think it's I don't think that can be said enough That we don't know anything about these off these ice officers We don't know if they were formed if they were all January 6th defendants that he pardoned they could be made up of The Patriot Front the three percenters the people who marched in Charlottesville who said Jews will not replace us we don't know anything about these people and

The fact that we are allowing them to be masked adds a whole nother level of menace to this.

It's

meant to intimidate and it's meant to deny accountability.

I say again, those masks are meant to intimidate the people on TV and to withhold their identity.

They do not want to be held accountable for how poorly they are treating the protesters and or

immigrants or even US citizens and that is unconscionable relative to local police and to federal and to state police who do have rules who are accountable whereas it appears ICE agents are not accountable and in fact the Attorney General has and others Stephen Miller they're basically making comments that quite frankly are close to those in the past who were defined and convicted of war crimes

The Secretary of Defense is in the same category.

Rip the arms off of our enemy and feed them to the hogs.

That, those words are the words we would perhaps have heard from those people who have been convicted around the world in present and past situations of war crimes.

It's absolutely demonic what is happening with many of the leaders in this administration.

And I want to spend some time talking about

the secretary of defense.

That's what I'm going to call him.

He is the secretary of defense.

But one of the things too, from a procedural standpoint as well, and I'm thinking of Washington DC, you have National Guard troops, you also have police, but when they're also sending in other agencies as well, you have ICE, FBI, they're roaming the streets, looking for problems, they're getting each other.

I mean, the police are there to take care of the city.

It doesn't probably help them to have the National Guard on their back.

And then when you have in DC,

Agents just roaming around the streets with guns that perfect that gives a problem for just not only enforcement but keeping situations calm in the first place I'm thinking I keep thinking about a simple car accident that happened in DC and before they knew it there was two dozen various agency members With guns that doesn't help anything.

It doesn't help the police certainly doesn't have help the national the National Guard and it just seems like

As you said, it's just an intimidation factor and an escalation factor

Yes Yeah, I have to really challenge all your listeners to ask ask yourself Which part of history do you want to be on?

For your children and your grandchildren to say oh, yeah, I fully supported Trump in his thug tactics And I'm proud of it or I made a mistake I voted for him for various reasons and

how he started to implement it was against everything that I have ever taught you, my children and my grandchildren.

And you should never act like that.

And I was wrong.

Or are you going to look at your children in their eyes or your grandchildren and say, I stood up for what was right and I did the very best I could?

Or even worse, I did nothing.

and said nothing.

And said nothing.

If you're just joining us on Mattnair On Air, retired Major General Randy Manor is our guest, spent more than 30 years in the US Army and just talking about sending US troops into American cities, among many other things.

I assume that you watched Pete Hagseth address our generals and all of our flag officers essentially

insulting them and fat shaming them.

And what was your initial reaction after watching that?

So here we have a disgraced major who was kicked out of the National Guard, as well as a draft-dodging president who paid a doctor to say he had burns, bone spurs.

Neither of those people, neither of them is qualified in any manner.

to be able to address those combat veterans in the way that they did.

Every man and woman, every officer, every senior missile leader in that room has had the lives of our sons and daughters in their hands to do the very best they could to train them and prepare them for combat and to be able to treat others with dignity and respect independent

of their race, their color, their national origin, their religion, or of course their gender.

And here you have, and again, they're very well educated as well.

Everyone in that room has advanced degrees.

Everyone has been around the world.

Everyone knows what Wright looks like.

They sat there and they listened politely to the Secretary of Defense and to the President spew the political rhetoric and their warm

war criminal language and Played applause at the end But that was it no hooting and hollering because that's not what our senior leaders in our military do they don't pledge allegiance to the president they Refuse it is absolutely wrong to think that our military is serving the president They serve the constitution and they serve the American people.

That's why I mean I've talked to a few people in in Oregon I've talked to them in in Chicago as well as in Memphis

Fact that the National Guard is showing up actually is a good thing.

They are first of all They should never be there to begin with but I'm telling you they should not be afraid of the National Guard because the National Guard is Disciplined they are going to do the right thing and that they will not put you in harm's way Compared to the ICE agents and again the thugs that are

apparently called ICE agents.

I want to take this topic back about a week or so from when actually the event happened.

What was your first thought when you heard that the Secretary of Defense called for this meeting?

Because when we heard about it, there was an immediate of what is going to happen.

Also, and Jane, you brought this up, not a very good idea to tell the whole world where our, well, at the time the president wasn't going to be there.

It was going to be Pete Hegseth and all of these

Upper echelon military folks not a really good idea to put that out in the world What was your first thought when you heard about just the announcement of this meeting?

I Knew in my head that it had to be for 100 political show Whenever it was going to be televised that just sealed the deal it was 100 theater because you never ever ever Bring in all your commanders from around the world because not only is costing the taxpayer not the president

It's your money, and it's my money, millions of dollars to bring all those people in.

Not only, of course, for example, a four star commander, not only do you bring him, you bring a couple of his executive officers to manage all the tasks that have to go on, independent of the travel and the fiasco of being forced to sit in that theater, you also have to bring classified communication teams so you can stay in contact with your command.

And then you also have to bring a small security detail, because these people are targets for obviously the bad guys.

And to put them all in one room, not only has it never been done, it should never have been done.

It's dangerous.

It's a misuse of American taxpayer money.

And of course, even worse, all of those generals and admirals know that they were absolutely props, again, as part of political theater.

Although it did blow up in the face of the president who

was shocked that they were not hooting and hollering.

Yeah, he's never had an audience.

Yeah, where's

my

where's my applause?

He's used to walking into lunch and everyone at Mar-a-Lago stands up and applauds him.

Please clap.

Yeah, please clap.

Exactly.

But essentially, Major General, Pete Hegseth gave them permission in that speech to commit war crimes, right?

It was like we're removing the shackles from all these behaviors that you that we were prevented from doing.

Right.

I will tell you that if any war crimes do occur under his watch, I'm going to say with a high degree of certainty, he will be prosecuted by the International War Crimes Tribunal because he actually said it publicly around the world.

It'll happen.

We're going to continue our conversation with retired Major General Randy Manners.

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Baseball is fun.

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So, uh, that's coming up after the 10 30 news right now that we are joined by our guest retired major general, Randy Manor, who served more than 30 years in the US army.

And Greg, you had a question for him.

Well, first of all, again, I always want to thank you for being here, sir, because you said something before when you addressed our listeners and I want the listeners who disagree with us to really see it in themselves because I know they're out there and I appreciate their time.

They don't have to listen.

But you are not a super left ultra hippie liberal.

You are a career military person who sees what you do as an oath of the Constitution protecting our freedom in our country.

And first of all, thank you for that.

But also, the fact that you're asking those questions, I think it's important to look into yourself and ask them of yourself.

Because if you are saying it, I think it's important.

Earlier we had Jim Santel on who was a U.S.

attorney, and we were talking about this very thing, about sending troops in, and I asked him, is there, if the Trump administration doesn't listen to judges, who's left to say no?

Is it governors?

Is it generals?

I asked the same question for you, but more of the military.

Is there someone, can there be someone who says, I swore an oath to the Constitution, not a king.

I will not do this.

There will be repercussions, I understand that, but

Do you see that happening?

Is that possible or do we just do they work through it because they are orders?

Couple comments first of all about my own political innings.

Yeah, I have been registered as an independent my entire life in the state of Virginia They no longer require you to register your party in Virginia, but I've already always regarded myself as an independent I have voted for president and for local leaders

for Republicans as well as Democrats in my entire life.

In fact, in Virginia, we had one of the greatest senators of all time, Senator Warner, until he retired as a Republican.

I voted for him every single time.

I'd vote for him today if he was running.

So I want to make sure your listeners understand.

While I say some things that are hard-hitting, I am speaking from the middle.

I am somebody who believes in our country.

I am somebody who has at least 10 times taken the oath of office to defend the Constitution of the United States.

And I take it very seriously.

Do I know a lot about this because of my requirements of my position?

Yes, I do.

Do I believe I understand more about what I'm going to call our governmental system and the relationship of the military?

To being led by civilian leaders.

Yes, I do It's not trying to say that other people don't know as much.

It's just the fact that this was my career, right?

So I want to make sure people understand that Yes, I know a lot about this subject material number two.

I am a centralist and I know also a dictatorship when I see it or when I say a dictatorship even though the president was duly elected The way he is acting is like a dictator because I have seen

Dictators around the world.

I have been in Russia.

I've been in China I have been obviously in Iraq and many other locations where there are or have been dictators and as well as Eastern Europe I've been to the Ukraine so If people have been around the world and seen these things to see what What kind of administrations send the military against their own people

they would have a far clearer understanding and perspective, not only of current events, but even of history.

The second part, what are the guards to keep the president in line?

The legal is the best way, voting is the second best way, and peaceful protest is another way to do it.

There's a lot of concern though, Randy, that

The protesters are if protesters show up outside of ice facilities and things like that That gives the Trump administration more justification for sending in more troops and can help feed this problem

So a good point when I was saying peaceful protest yes outside of ice facility short But what I'm really trying to say is let's gather in the city in the city Let's gather in the towns in the town squares.

You don't have to be anywhere near

the ice people and I would say, stay away from them.

So we can, for example, October 18th is no Kings Day.

I'll be speaking at a rally in Virginia about that.

And those are not going to be near any ice agents.

And I would say, show up with your family, show up and say, what does right look like?

So that's what I meant by protest.

I'm not trying to say you should confront.

Right.

That is not

what I'm saying.

Right.

Yeah, and that show of the American people, but not in that manner.

We need to get in the town squares.

We need to be in the cities.

We need to say this is not the way America is supposed to.

Well, and I would I would assume also that with your experience and your experience and seeing other authoritarian countries for people who think what's happening right now is good.

At some point, you're not going to be good enough.

And they're going to come for you.

Right.

It will come for you.

Just like just like that quote, World War Two.

You know, they came for everyone else, and I said nothing, but they didn't come for me.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to say anything.

And

that is well documented.

And that will happen.

Thank you so

much to our guest, retired Major General Randy Manor, more than 30 years in the US Army.

We really appreciate your time, sir.

Thank you so very, very much.

Thank you so much.

Thank you

so much for what you guys do.

Thank you.

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Good morning, okay?

We lost last night.

Game four, it's gonna be okay.

Tell Greg Bach, Jimmy, that everything's gonna be okay.

Everything is going to be okay.

Thank

you.

Everything's going to be okay.

Thank you

much rather be up to one in a best of five series than down to one of the best of five series and the Brewers find themselves a pretty good shape going into tonight You got to consider though the Brewers had their chances in the game yesterday and everything gets magnified so much in the postseason and in Elimination games and in a postseason series all these little things people are talking about the decision whether to bond not to bond the base fronting the pitching choice like

All these things get so magnified in a single game.

And you got to remember, it's a long series.

It's a long haul.

And the Brewers still have two more chances to get this done, including today.

So not pressing the panic button yet.

Tonight, I think the tension will be a little higher on the Brewers.

But it's still good for the Brewers.

They're still up two to one.

They need one win to advance.

OK, I would like to make something perfectly clear here.

Cause Jane is treating me like I'm an invalid, incapable of handling

anything.

Very sensitive.

Very

sensitive.

Don't tell men to feel their feelings.

And the moment we start feeling our feelings, tell us, stop feeling our feelings.

I have no problem with you being sensitive.

But

my, my, my point is, is that in exactly in a five game series is a sweet possible.

Absolutely.

Is it likely?

I don't know.

I don't know statistics.

I don't math very well.

But what I did say to myself is that if we lose tonight, we lose tonight.

There are other chances.

My.

For me, and I don't know, and you're far more into this world than I am, but the melting down, and not even of CubsFans, like Cubs, okay, I get it.

CubsFans, you want another World Series ring.

I get that.

I'd like a World Series

ring.

Yeah, that'd

be nice.

And I don't know if you saw this specifically on Twitter, Jimmy, but the melting down of the Chicago sports writing intelligentsia, I mean,

When they won that second game, these guys were saying things that were, I mean, this is from a guy who wrote in the Tribune.

I'm not even gonna say his name because he doesn't deserve my words.

He said, I took one psychology class at Mizzou.

And my theory is the Brewer's fans resent the fact Chicago is a world-class city with great architecture and restaurants while Milwaukee is a place with a statue of the bronze fawns.

Everyone has their heart broken at some point, but even,

But eventually you move on Milwaukee refuses to move on from Council snub even though Murphy has been a remarkable efficient replacement I don't know what those words mean because And that is like that is the most put-together thing I could find right now.

I can't read them all but like from from

Making fun of Jacob Mizorowski for being excited from accusing from saying the brewers don't deserve any of this and also some of them are even going for the cheating aspect quote juiced balls I mean it is wild Jimmy.

Are you seeing this and am I am I have I've been missing this for years?

Welcome to sports social media.

This

is what it is

every single day.

Oh This is the roller coaster you live on with social media and this is why

You know, not only with just fandoms in general, but with the advent of sports betting, with just all these things you're tossing into the pot, people have gone really off the rails sometimes in how they analyze sports.

And that's.

And I'm not saying I'm above any of it because there are definitely days where a sports team can affect my mood.

But, you know, when you hear things like this or you read things like this, you know, take it with a heap of salt that people are too invested into this day to day.

And it's fine.

People can be fans, but there's a point where it crosses a line of being even a little toxic in a way as a sports fan.

And I can't get I can't put myself in those shoes because.

I get to a point where like, you know, I have other things in my life to feel this strongly about and generally sports.

don't elevate to that except for the sports I coach because I'm in those days.

That's a little different, but

like

a professional team, I have no control over, you know, and I hear things like that when they, when people talk about Milwaukee and Milwaukee gets talked about a lot, unfortunately, negatively by other markets.

We're seeing that with, even with the Yanis rumors, you know, like, why would you want to stay in Milwaukee?

It's cold.

Well, first of all, newsflash, Milwaukee's amazing.

I love Milwaukee and I'm from a tiny little town in northern Wisconsin, but Milwaukee's amazing.

Second of all, when, when, when people from larger markets

are looking, you know, well, how can Wisconsin have this kind of success?

And there's a little bit of envy there because Milwaukee's able to build the best record in baseball out of, out of, you know, half the payroll or a third of the payrolls other major league teams can.

And I think people are just wondering why they can't do the same thing.

Milwaukee sports, Green Bay Packers, you can toss them into that.

I've been remarkably resourceful over the years and, and finding their way to championships to success.

I think just for big markets where they spend.

huge amounts of money on rosters and all these things, they can't figure out why.

Well, if we throw money at the problem, why isn't it working?

Where these teams can go draft develop and be successful in their programs.

I think there's just, that's a little bit of it.

And on top of that, I just, just, just go back to what Greg said.

Yeah.

Milwaukee's awesome.

I don't know what they're saying about, but Milwaukee, just being a.

of broadspods.

He's great.

So well, seriously, the Chicago sportswriters sound like the head cheerleader who's all upset because she wasn't picked to be prom queen over the sax player in the band.

I mean, get over yourself, Chicago.

Give me a break.

And I think and

I think that's a perfect representation of what they sound like, honestly.

What

a bunch of babies.

And what you said to Jimmy is very true.

And I responded to that.

I respond directly called out that writer in the Tribune and said, look, we're not thinking about you all the time.

We

don't have

Chicago in

the Chicago is under the, and this is my theory.

Chicago is under the belief that places like, and I don't hear them say about these cities, but I guarantee you they do.

But, but they do say this about Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Detroit, St.

Louis.

Those are the biggest big cities around them.

I guarantee you, they say the same thing about them, they say about us, is that we wish we were Chicago.

We

wish

we were them.

And

to me, every time I hear someone say that, all I hear is, we're not LA and New York.

LA and New York don't think about you either.

Neither does Milwaukee.

Just live your life.

Chicago, you're great.

You're great.

Your teams are great.

Well, not the white socks, but you know, they're fun.

But like, it's just that thing of, as you put it, I got things to do.

Nowhere on my list of things to do, Jimmy, is wish I was Chicago.

That's not on my list.

I mean, if the, if the Cubs lose tonight, they are going to explode

because

it's because, and as you just said, small market versus big market, they're going to feel insulted.

Big markets feel like they deserve it because they're the ones who pay a billion dollars for players.

They feel like they deserve it and Milwaukee, you're fun to play and, but we have been the best team in baseball for months.

We've had

some of the best pitching we the fact that we couldn't get some runs on the people we had on base last night even we have like one of the highest rates of on base percentage like runs but it is that thing is like is like we don't deserve it because we're Milwaukee we're small the Dodgers deserve it the Cubs deserve it it's like no the best team deserves it unless you're the Astros and you cheat but

That is just, I mean, I could not believe it.

I mean, I expected some Cubs fans to be like, but like professional human beings who are

paid

to write.

Jimmy,

I don't know how you do it, how there's not like seven empty bottles of alcohol underneath your desk right now.

That's true.

I'm putting a lot of trust in you, sir.

Pleading the fifth.

Here's the thing.

You're, you're, you're also going to get this to the next round.

If the rumors advance, the next round is probably the Dodgers.

Now you're talking big market again, big payroll again, and it really feels like these two teams have been on a collision course.

You don't make

the same things that are going to come out of the West Coast market about a Midwestern city.

I mean, this is just what you live with.

We're seeing it with the honest rumors.

Well, you got us going to New York, where we've seen it with the Brewers versus LA versus Chicago versus whoever.

It is what it is.

I mean, this is something that is nothing new for Wisconsin sports fans to deal with.

And honestly, the overall response from Wisconsin sports fans has been, much like you said, Greg, we're not thinking about you at all.

Like we're

just living our best lives here, you know, with our flannels and our, you know, seven bratwurst per mule a day.

Like that's what we do.

Well, and just so LA, by the way, in case it comes down to the Dodgers and the Brewers, we don't want to be you either.

No.

Just get over yourselves, okay?

Just bring your ego down just a little

bit,

all right?

We're fine.

Where is Chicago saying those things?

By the way, if you're just joining us, I'm Matt Narenare.

We're talking to Civic Media Sports Director Jimmy Cusco, who's joining us today.

Happily, we love having you on the show.

We do.

It's so great.

I just have a feeling if they played the Dodgers, which will be a rematch from 2018,

It's going to be a lot of where even is Milwaukee.

It's like, okay, that's the best you can do.

They will say that, but I think it's funny too.

You say that people will, we'll, we'll talk about Yanis.

Why do you want to stay in Wisconsin?

It's cold.