People Are Saying (Hour 1)

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It's Monday, so Shaly Pittman, Civic Media News Director will be

here

after the 9.30 news.

Gonna be talking about some of the things that happened over the weekend and that are happening in Wisconsin.

Particularly, we're gonna talk today about ice in Wisconsin.

Yeah.

and some of the reactions to that and some of the things that have happened here.

Again, that you may have missed because there is so much going on in the world.

Shaly Pittman will be here after the 9.30 news.

In hour number two, we're gonna talk to journalist Jackie Leiden and also author Kathy Giorgio.

They were both on many months ago.

We were talking about book bands.

And Kathy Giorgio is a graduate of Waukesha, Waukesha High School.

North.

And she was on their alumni...

star of fame.

She's on their wall

of stars

because of a book that she wrote.

And then they banned her book.

So there is an event on Wednesday night in Waukesha about book bans.

Wisconsin, tragically, according to an article that I have from them, is the state with the second highest number of banned books.

And I think if you asked a lot of people and you said, name the top five and if they named five, I bet you they would all go Southern.

They would not put Wisconsin out there.

Yeah, Wisconsin.

I would say this Wisconsinites wouldn't because I don't think Wisconsinites know I

agree with

you

Yeah, one of the reasons why we're gonna highlight that coming up in hour number two Also, then in the second hour of the show as we always do for the last half an hour We talk a little audio Sorbet is what we call it where we lighten things up Oh, I needed

to get away

from the news and just take a breath And we were talking off the air.

We have a whole bunch of people here now

There's a lot of people here.

There's a lot of folks in this building

now.

I feel like my old man said, like, get out of my lawn.

Exactly.

The rock and roll music's too loud.

So we were just talking about alarms.

And

how do

you wake up in the morning?

And not everyone uses an alarm.

Some people live by an alarm, snooze alarm.

I lived by the snooze alarm.

I would hit that

thing at

least three times.

You, your, your history with the alarm clock with regard to this industry waking up at.

ungodly hours.

I don't, like right now, if I sleep until seven o'clock, I'm like, well, that wasn't bad, but having to get up at like three to 30.

Yeah.

That's not even, that's not fair.

But I mean, I dated again, this is obviously years before I got married, but I dated someone who never set an alarm.

Yeah.

He said, I just, before I go to sleep at night, I think about the time I have to wake up.

I know.

And I do.

And I'm like, I would be late for ever, or I would never sleep.

Yeah.

If I didn't have an alarm clock, I would not trust myself to wake up on time.

So where to talk about how do you alarm today for Audio Sorbet?

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Sounds like a plan to me.

Absolutely.

So that that's that.

I guess.

I wanted to start off with this.

Of

course, we're in day six now.

The government shutdown.

Yeah.

Glenn growthman.

Who?

Wisconsin's own farm

breakfast fan.

Ah, the pancake breakfast cake.

He was pancake pocketing before Pat Murphy ever was.

Long before it was cool.

But he was like, is that guy stealing pancakes?

This is from the Wisconsin Public Radio.

The headline reads, Wisconsin GOP representative Glenn Grossman lay off 100,000 to 200,000 federal workers.

The Eastern Wisconsin representative says, regardless of the government shutdown,

The federal workforce is too large.

Yeah.

Of course.

Len says, regardless of the shutdown, the federal workforce should be cut to reduce spending, quote, a lot of these people are not working very hard at all.

To keep hiring people, many with over six figure salaries, when they aren't working that hard, that's just irresponsible, unquote.

174

thousand dollars a year plus plus is per diem plus health insurance he makes a nice amount of pretty good living yeah we pay

for it and then

Because he's off right now, right?

Because Mike Johnson sent all the House members home.

Oh, yeah, they're shut down.

They're off.

They're making sure they can't do things like get the government open.

They make sure they can't release the Epstein files.

They're just getting a nice relax.

It'll probably be done for the rest of the year, honestly.

But think about it.

It's October.

Why even go back at this point?

Well, and the

Republicans refuse to negotiate and have, through this whole process, just an important reminder there.

Yes, Glenn says, quote,

Well, we have too many people working in the government right now.

Let's say in the Department of Defense itself We have over 700,000 employees who are not uniformed people sitting in cubicles on a computer There is a lot of anecdotal evidence out there that these people aren't working that hard So I think whether or not there's a shutdown is irrelevant.

We should not be hiring people who are

unnecessary

Anecdotal evidence which is just a fancy way of saying I've heard from people I looked it up People

are saying many people are saying that these people aren't working hard.

There has been no statistical study They're looking at this.

No, it's just

Some guy who works in this department called me and complained and said the person sitting next to them at their desk isn't working hard.

I mean as far as I know from what I've seen as far as pictures go and lack of stories and lack of legislation.

Glenn Grossman isn't working that hard if you ask me.

Why don't we fire him?

Because if we fire him, we get $174,000 back.

We'll make sure whoever gets in after him has far less staff.

So that way people in his district are far less serviced.

It would just make it easier.

Why don't we get rid of some of these non-working congressmen and senators?

If they're not worried, they're government employees.

They are government employees.

Our employees they are our and Jane like what I see from his social media presence He's not doing a lot either.

So I have anecdotal evidence via social media that Glenn growthman isn't doing his job Therefore, I think he should be fired as well.

See how that logic works Glenn Just because someone tells you something or it you feel it.

It's inherent.

It's in your gut Mike Johnson.

Well

You know, my gut also told me to eat ice cream last night at 5.30 and now I'm paying the price.

Your gut's not always right.

People sometimes lie.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 Wisconsin's own Republican Representative Glenn Grossman says, yep, good, fire a whole bunch of people from the federal government.

People are telling me they're not working very hard.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Join us like Mike from Oshkosh.

Texting in, listening on WISS, what has Glenn done for our district since he's been a congressman?

How hard is he working for us?

I would love to know any legislation that Glenn has penned that has actually gotten anywhere and brought something home to his constituency.

I would like to know if there's any major legislation that he has authored, been the lead author, led through the process, not just thrown his name on as well.

It's it's really just They get to just say these things now and people just agree with them because they've always thought that the federal government was to blow they always thought people in the federal government were lazy But it's them who are

lazy.

Yeah, it's that not me and not my department and not my staffers It's that person.

Yeah, isn't doing it and Calvin you make a really good interesting point that he be signal he

Signaled on or focused on the Department of Defense which Nobody touches no Department of Defense hasn't been able to pass it in audit in decades Yeah, and yet we still keep writing them blank checks and nobody blinks an eye on either side.

Well, no because if post 9-11 to to Not even criticize but even say like well, let's look at the Department of Defense's budget and what they know

Do you not want freedom, wrapped in safety, wrapped in freedom, wrapped in more freedom?

I mean, it was always just a, you do not even question what the DoD gets.

And now he's saying this.

Yeah, that was kind of a surprise.

I thought they were against defending the police.

Yeah, I know.

So I really did not expect him to zero in on the Department of Defense.

The other side of the argument is that Glenn growthman isn't smart.

I'm sorry.

He's just if you've ever listened to him speak He doesn't know anything on the issues like he just said anecdotal evidence

That's not a study.

That's not backed up with any sort of research.

It's just you hearing stuff from people down the hallway.

And if you look at the picture on the article that I've put in the show notes, it's a perfect picture, Glenn Grossman.

It does not show a man who really is concerned about his district.

He just loves the free pancakes.

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Richard from Waukesha.

We don't have a whole lot of time, Richard, but thank you for joining us.

What did you want to say?

This is a scheme, you know.

You complain about everybody else while you're doing nothing.

And then you stop everything.

Yeah.

Yes.

You know, it's a stone wall.

Yeah.

Thank you, Richard.

Appreciate it.

Thank you for listening.

Tim on the live stream says that Glenn growthman has authored, oops, there you have it, has authored five pieces of legislation, four of which were to name post offices in the district.

He is absolutely useless.

All of his Facebook posts are at

free food events.

And it's true.

If you want to contact Glenn, how would I do that?

You're going to go to myvote.wi.gov.

You're going to go and put your information in there.

Actually, I would say you can go to myvote.wi.gov.

But what you can do also is just type in like I'm doing right now into the Google machine's Glenn growth man office.

phone number, and it's going to come up because that number is for us the people because we are the ones who actually employ him.

920-907-0624.

Call him and let him know what you feel about cutting hundreds of thousands of

jobs.

And what a great job he's been doing for that $174,000 a year.

When we return, smiley Kevin Hassett has news for our farmers.

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Yep.

Couple more to go.

Not going to worry about any of those other ones.

I'm glad.

We have baseball tonight.

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It's gonna be a late game, folks.

Yeah.

And it's a little

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Like you think that it would be like maybe an hour earlier, but it's,

yeah, it's going to be late and expect traffic too, especially if you're coming up on 94s, 94 is going to be busy.

Just keep that in mind and go crew.

Uh, right before the break, we were talking about Wisconsin's own Republican representative, Glenn growth.

Checking in on how, yeah, we should fire 100,000, 200,000 federal workers because people are telling me they don't work very hard.

And just one more comment.

Couple more comments I wanted to get in from listeners on the live stream Debbie says the irony of having an all-demanded Military meeting spending millions of dollars to insult our highest ranks that was last week when Pete Hegseth called of all all our generals So we could tell them they were ugly and and fat.

No fat.

He's no bearded guys Okay, good to know thanks cousin Debbie and Tim Jacobson says he didn't care about union workers at Oshkosh when the postal truck contract

Got moved to South Carolina.

Yeah, Glenn doesn't... How much does Glenn work on behalf of Wisconsinites?

Doesn't... And I'd love to show me the evidence.

I mean, if you want to count it in going to pancake breakfast and

things like that.

I don't know that that counts.

Brief, while we have time, before we get to the bottom of the hour news, I wanted to talk a little bit more about tariffs.

Darren Van Ruden is going to be joining us this week.

Correct, Wednesday.

Wednesday, we had a little snafu last week.

But this is not going away.

This issue with our soybean farmers that Donald Trump reiterated last week, he's going to use

Our tariff money, we found $15 trillion, he said.

We found $31 billion,

but there are, and it's on the tariff shelf.

It's on the

shelf.

I

cannot get over the tariff shelf

part of that.

Tariff

shelf, yeah.

$31 billion found, just found, because when you find five bucks in your pocket, trillions of dollars

in

tariffs being brought in.

We're flush with cash, everybody.

Apparently.

Do

you need a farm loan?

Do you need some money farmers?

We've got you covered.

Except there's no one to answer the phone because the government shut down.

American Soybean Association President Caleb Ragland says a bailout is not the golden ticket that Trump has made it out to be.

He said American farmers still need markets to sell their products, but never fear.

Smiling Kevin Hassett is here.

So creepy from the Trump administration.

No matter what he's talking about, he's always got a smile on his face.

Here he is talking to MSNBC's Money Guy about the tariffs.

Kelvin, can you play that clip, please?

Could you see tariff money being used to support the farmers who obviously are being hit hard by, I think, you know, China retaliated against some of the tariffs recently.

Maybe they had slowed buying soybeans last year, but certainly they went to zero in May based on the tariffs.

Is that an option that it's going to happen?

Right.

The president has already said that he thinks that the tariff money is going to be useful for helping us find the funds that we need to help farmers.

We've had numerous meetings over the last week or two about exactly what we're going to do to help the farmers.

But we're taking big measures and those big measures are going to be public really, really soon.

And yes.

So for sure.

China has especially for soybean farmers has stopped buying U.S.

soybeans right now.

The silos are full.

and there are soybeans sitting on the ground with harps over them.

That's unacceptable to the president.

We're calling up

all our

soybean customers around the world as part of our trade negotiations, and we're also getting ready to have really strong policies to support our farmers.

Really strong policies really soon, probably two weeks.

Probably two weeks.

First of all, is the person who did that interview, are they okay?

the guy on MSNBC.

Yes, because it was just like, I felt like it was a kid asking an adult a question.

It was like, do you think, it was weird, but also, no, sorry, I don't buy this.

I don't buy that the president for one single solitary second cares that the soybean market has collapsed in this country.

I don't think he cares that they are in, he thinks throw some money at them and that'll shut them up.

Cause that's what it happened,

happened last time.

Yes, it is.

whether or not it's going to work this time around.

And again, let's not forget, it is because of the Trump tariff policies that our soybean market has collapsed.

And so he is going to take the money that we're all paying in tariffs on higher goods because we're all seeing it now when you go to the store.

Things are more expensive.

So we're going to take the money that American taxpayers and American farmers are paying.

to pay back the farmers that we screwed by these tariff policies.

Yet at the same time, we're giving $20 billion to Argentina, who dropped their tariffs to sell their soybeans to China.

And we all went through this before when we had this is because don't forget this is the second tariff war, second trade war we've had.

And the US farmers suffered under the first one as well because

Other countries took their business elsewhere and didn't come back and did not come back So I do not believe for a solitary second the president actually cares that anything has happened He's just like if we give him some money, it'll shut him up, right?

Well, and where is the pre-planning about having a plan in place before you blew everything up?

That might have been a good idea, too

you're

hilarious.

You'd be fired immediately.

News is coming up next and then Civic Media news director Shaly Pittman will be joining us.

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Take a breath, get away from the news.

Essentially, we clean your ears with fun.

Yes, that's what we do in Audio Sorbet.

And today's question for Audio Sorbet is how do you alarm?

Do you have an alarm clock?

Do you have is it on your Apple Watch?

Maybe you don't need an alarm.

Or maybe it's a different brand name of watch.

We're all not bought out by big Apple Watch like Jane is.

I don't have an Apple.

But anyway, how do you alarm?

Is our audio so big question?

So start thinking about that.

You can also text in your response right now if you're not going to be around at 855-752-4842.

She joins us every Monday to update us on the constant fire hose of news that is happening.

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Shelly Pittman is here.

Good morning, lady.

How are you?

I'm okay.

Thanks, Jane.

You know, I working in radio sometimes set multiple alarms on different sources just to make sure that I get up at the right

time.

Do you ever do you ever do that?

I used to very early on when I was working early mornings I had an alarm right next to my bed and then I had one across the room That you have to get up.

But yeah, and then I would get up and I would turn it off and I would go back to bed.

That did not work I did it was

Yeah, that was a failed, a flawed plan.

The most powerful thing that will get you up is fear, I think.

Waking up

and

see, oh yeah.

I want that put on a plaque somewhere.

The most powerful thing to get you up is fear, Sholly

Pittman.

I'm going to put that on a pillow, I think.

Something to lose by.

Yes, absolutely.

Anyway, there is a lot to catch up on and we wanted to start off with ice.

in Wisconsin, seven people in northeastern Madison were arrested by ICE on Thursday.

No confirmed reports of ICE activity anywhere else in the city so far.

Yeah, so there's been a lot of ice activity in the last week and a half two weeks So thought we'd spend our segment this morning talking about that Here where I'm based in Madison.

There were seven folks Detained arrested by ice at last Thursday.

This was first confirmed confirmed by Centro

Hispano Dane County, and you're seeing advocacy groups being the kind of the first line of folks reporting when there are detentions because ICE does not usually talk with local police officials, law enforcement officials.

ICE confirmed with the city of Madison Police Department after the fact that they had conducted a raid.

don't believe they gave details like names, but they only are able to confirm after the fact.

So I have heard that the individuals detained were, at least some were construction workers, but I learned that through something we'll talk about in a second at a press conference, but that's not confirmed or verified either.

And I'm assuming that we don't know anything about...

what these people are accused of or charged with or no details whatsoever.

Not to my knowledge.

The Department of Homeland Security will put out breast releases sometimes, and I don't see one related to this raid.

I'm not sure if people want us to call it a raid, but this enforcement action.

So yeah, we kind of don't have a lot of details right now.

It just, when I saw the form come through, Shaly, when you sent it to us, I feel like this didn't hit.

I feel like news of ICE and cities doing these things are major news.

Like they're happening around the country.

I feel like this almost, for me, and this is just me, maybe not other people, of course, it almost flew under the radar as far as reporting goes because we have so many bigger actions, as you say, taking place around the country that this sort of just happened.

And now we're hearing about it now and we're getting the details.

And it's in that part of the state as well, the fact that it's in Madison.

That's also to me personally surprising.

It's hard to report these things out because it takes time to track folks down and connect with families.

And so I think that's part of reason why you're not saying a lot is because it's hard to get the information.

But there was a larger operation of ice in Wisconsin about a week and a half ago on September 25th.

And I think that's where a lot of the attention has been focused.

So this was a raid of mostly...

dairy workers in Manitowoc, where there is a high concentration of factory farms.

And if I can give credit to the Wisconsin examiner, I think they've done a really good job of outlining what this means for farmers, dairy farmers, and speaking with farmers who say, hey, we can't get anyone of them.

anyone else to do these jobs.

And so it has implications for Wisconsin's dairy industry as well as...

obviously the human cost for immigrant communities.

So in the Manitouac parking lot, where folks were getting ready to go to work for the day, so far what I've been able to triangulate from other news sources is that at least one man has been deported within four days of that action, and it could be higher according to, again,

advocates, advocate organizations, it could be three, which we'll again talk about in a second.

The Department of Homeland Security did put out a kind of press release for this, and they mentioned that they mentioned one man who is a part of the

the raid, except that that man has been in ice custody since July.

Okay,

so I'm going to stop you right there.

One of the men they claimed they grabbed during this most recent raid in September has already been in custody and he's been in custody since July.

Correct.

Okay.

Right.

So their record keeping obviously is really good.

You know, I don't know what's going on.

He

has not been convicted, but he's been detained.

One other thing I wanted to note about this, there's been a lot of good reporting about these raids, but the detention hearings that result...

quickly after sometimes after these raids are not likely to be paused under the federal shutdown that we're in right now, even though in previous shutdowns they have been.

So kind of forecasting that it's not likely that these will stop even though the rest of the federal government is shut down.

That's interesting.

Do they have to do a special carve out for that?

How does that work?

You know, I'm not really sure.

Yeah.

Also a great question, Jay.

And this is just, well, first of all, if you're just joining us, we are speaking with Shaly Pittman, who is the news director of Civic Media.

She joins us every Monday at this time to go over all the news that we may have missed over the weekend.

And she is right now, we're talking about a, what is, remind me again, Shaly, what is the official term?

Not a raid, but a...

Immigration

enforcement.

Thank you.

I just, I honestly, when we're talking to you, I want to keep the language professionally in that sense and resist the urge to get angry.

But I personally, and this is just my assumption that of course, ice raids would not stop with their budget increases, with their desire to do these things, especially with the shutdown happening.

They are going to keep doing them because

Why not?

That's just me making a speculation, but yeah, it doesn't surprise me that they haven't stopped during a shutdown.

Well, no, but what she's talking about is that the hearings to deport people, those will continue as well, even though, again, the vast majority of the federal government has been shut down, except for this little part.

Yeah.

Wisconsin Watch has some reporting, and that's where I'm getting this piece of information from, that the DOJ has not...

called off these hearings.

They also haven't really clarified whether immigration court will continue if it's a longer shutdown.

But they're sourcing this based off of a press release, I think, from last Wednesday from DHS, where the Assistant Secretary, Tricia McLaughlin, said that deportations will continue.

She says thanks to the Trump administration's one big, beautiful bill.

I'm not sure

If that's again, this is really vague language.

So it's hard to understand exactly how they're able to continue.

But they're finding a

way.

Yeah.

Yes.

I wanted to bring up these two actions, right?

Again, you know.

We gotta talk about them.

And also last Friday, there was a press conference in Milwaukee kind of in reaction to multiple events happening in Wisconsin in the last week or two then.

So there was coalition of Hispanic leaders who had a press conference to condemn ICE activity in Wisconsin.

It was led by Ford Latino.

Darrell Morin is the national president, but it also had

folks from all sorts of advocacy organizations, including, you know, Vosis de la Frontera, Micah, Milwaukee Turners, and so on.

It also had local and state elected officials.

And I wanted to bring you some clips of that because our very own community manager, Jenny Brand.

did me a solid and did us all a solid and went to this press conference to get audio.

And so we had some of that on our very own Stuart J. Waddell's report this morning, but I wanted to kind of bring you an extended report.

So, because I think it's important to hear the voices of folks who are from the community and not just me.

So, well,

kicked us off on the other side, but we could do the first one.

So Jose Perez is the Milwaukee Common Council president.

And he kicked off the press conference while commenting that we're in the middle of Hispanic Heritage Month.

And, you know, he urged celebration and also urged immigrant communities to prepare.

So let's hear that.

So at a time when we've been celebrating and lifting up our cultures of various Hispanic descent, it should come as no surprise that we find ourselves

under increased attack at the federal level.

Ice agents and so-called blue states all around the country are being deployed and sowing seeds of fear and desperation throughout immigrant populations.

So given that we are literally under attack, I'm asking people remain diligent, look out for your neighbor, help your neighbor, and know your own rights.

If you can meet,

with or consult with an immigration attorney do so.

Have contingency plans named guardians for your children and try to be ready for the worst as we always hope and pray for the best.

I think an emphasis on preparation knowing your rights and thinking ahead was kind of a key theme of the press conference.

Well, and it's just it's interesting because

I have seen footage on social media of people confronting ICE asking for warrants, and it does not always go well.

And as far as consulting an immigration attorney, I certainly think that's a good idea.

But again, you have to have a certain amount of resources in order to do that.

Again, precisely.

I think Council President Perez also urged folks to...

If you need to dial 911 in the city of Milwaukee to still do that, to not hold back from dialing 911 in cases of medical emergency, just because that's

something that they've also seen.

Good morning.

Welcome back to Matt Nair on air.

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Give us a little update on things we might have missed.

I know there's always things that I miss.

Shali, we're going to talk for this segment about ICE in Milwaukee and the facility they currently have and one they would like to move to, correct?

Yeah, I would like to play a couple more clips from that press conference last last Friday led by Ford Latino very quickly so Christine Newman Ortiz who's well known in and outside of immigration circles is the head of Osis de la Frontera and She also gave an update on the workers in Manitowoc.

So I want to make sure we get to that

Christine

Newman Ortiz from Vos's De La Frontera.

you know, they're going to move faster for you.

If you have been here for years as these workers have been, the ones that we've connected with, that connected with us, you know, they've been, they come from mixed immigration status families, so they have like some kind of a spouse that's a U.S.

citizen, children that are U.S.

citizens, good moral character, essential workers.

And if you've been here for many years as they have been, you can fight your deportation.

But people need to know that and not be tricked or conned into signing voluntary departures as we are witnessing as a kind of standard ICE protocol.

One thing that Vosis de la Frontera has also done way back at the start of the year is establish a hotline to confirm or deny rumors of immigration enforcement activity in neighborhoods and that hotline is 1-800-427-0123.

I've used it in a news gathering capacity in order to confirm again because local officials are sometimes not as helpful as you might think not because of them but just because I

is not communicating with them.

So that's another resource.

The last clip I want to play is Darryl Marin, president of Forward Latino.

He talked about his kind of personal interactions in assisting those facing deportation orders.

Let's go ahead and hear that.

Number one, I was literally on the phone when an individual, an immigrant who was detained, who had no criminal history, was on the phone with a significant other.

and was with ICE official in detention.

And that ICE representative was literally screaming at the detained immigrant saying he needed to sign that self deportation order.

And we were very loudly instructing him not to do it because it's his right not to.

And that they had to allow him to talk to his immigration attorney.

That's happening on a daily basis.

The violation of constitutional rights are happening right now on a daily basis.

That's just one of many examples we have.

Okay, so I'm not able to externally verify that, but the president of Ford Latino chairing his personal experience, that's Darryl Marin.

So you wanted to talk about the ice building in Milwaukee, or I wanted to talk about

the ice

building in Milwaukee, because that's another thing that is kind of in the air, but also kind of unclear.

So there are ice offices in downtown Milwaukee.

They've been there for almost 25 years.

It's possible that that's where deport...

deportation meetings happen where detainees are processed and transported to other facilities, Dodge County facility frequently, but it doesn't actually hold people.

And they're hoping to move this to an office park in the...

way northwest corner of Milwaukee.

And I was in Milwaukee over the weekend and I just tooled around to go and look at this.

I have some photos in our shared dock, which our listeners can't see, but it is in an office park.

And, you know, it's the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that this is where detainees would be processed and transported.

There are plans to have like an eight foot tall fall, eight foot tall fence and a Sally port, which is what

you see in jails.

And I, you know, I just went there and can confirm that construction is underway.

It's kind of, it looks like they kind of just dug up the parking lot to start, but it is kind of a surreal place, very much an office park, completely quiet on the weekend.

You know, there's a daycare across the street.

It's right off of I-41.

So, yeah.

There you go.

It's happening.

I just want to reiterate that we were told the Trump administration

told America that they were going after the worst of the worst.

Rapists and criminals and murderers and the worst of the worst were the ones that they were going to target, not these very generalized sweeping up of a whole bunch of people and then denying them due process and potentially encouraging them to sign self deportation orders that may not necessarily be applicable to them.

This is all happening.

There was a raid in Chicago that we're not going to talk about, Shelly, because we just don't have time.

There was a raid in Chicago on a building where they used a Blackhawk helicopter and zip-tied children and put them in a van for several hours.

We don't have time to get into it, but it's important that we all realize what is going on in our country.

This is happening in Wisconsin.

Yes, it is.

It's happening here, too.

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It is National Band Book Week.

This is National Band Book Week.

I feel like this is a this is a national week we're going to get rid of.

We're going to ban this one.

Well,

we're going to ban National

Band Book Week.

Probably they do not want us.

They do not want to.

Certain people in certain parts of this country, not big on remembering our history.

I feel like one of the reasons why we have National Band Book Week is because we want to never forget what we and other cultures around the world do to dissenting voices and maybe slowly getting rid of Band Book Week as another way of saying, well, that's- Let's just disappear.

Hey, we were doing it for freedom and love and freedom and love, patriotism.

Yeah.

It is National Band Book Week.

And because of that, the Wisconsin chapter of Writers for Democratic Action, they're going to have a public panel at the Waukesha Public Library this coming Wednesday.

7 o'clock at the Waukesha Public Library, among their many panelists, Jackie Leiden, who has been on our show before, she was a national anchor for NPR, and also a journalist, Barry Whiteman will be there also featuring writers and poets, Kathy Giorgio.

Yeah.

From Waukesha, graduate of Waukesha North.

Correct.

She was on their alumni wall of stars.

Yes.

Until they banned her book.

Well, they banned her book and she asked to be taken off the wall.

Yeah.

I think that's a tremendous and feasible demand.

For her.

You get rid of the reason why they're proud of her.

Yeah.

In 2023, this shocked me.

Wisconsin was the second most banned.

state, band book state in the U.S.

A question for the listeners right now.

If you were to be asked that question on most, the state with the most band books and he said, you gotta name three.

What would be your top guess?

Honestly, and don't say it in retrospect or based on this anecdote, really ask yourself that question.

Two years ago, if you would have said, name the top three states, would Wisconsin be on your list?

I would have said Arkansas.

Mississippi and probably Texas I'd say I would have said Texas I would have said Kentucky I probably would have thrown in Idaho like and that and honest and and and that's not good of me or us to do we shouldn't go assuming there's plenty of evidence to show that states do ban books but I guess for me and I don't know and Jane I ask you this question I want to hold on to this feeling that Wisconsin is still a bastion of

good.

We have so much history that's rooted in good, whether we're talking about union activity, whether we're talking about equal rights, whether we're talking about just trying to live a good life and be of service to our neighbors.

When you hear things like that, I don't know how that makes you feel, but it makes me disappointed.

But I still hold this hope that we're still

good.

The state's still good.

Absolutely.

Our state is still good.

But it's it's about all of this stuff that is happening around us that we may not

be aware of because there is so much happening.

And that's why we're focusing on this right now.

If you live in Waukesha, you live in the Waukesha area, maybe you want to check this out.

Again, Wednesday night, October 8th at the Waukesha Public Library, seven o'clock, they're going to be talking about banned books.

And another point that I think is important, data from 2025, so this year from the American Library Association, shows that most schoolbook bans

Over 70% of schoolbook bands come from organized partisan movements, not from actual parents.

It's

not the parents whose

kids are going

to these

schools.

This is Moms for Liberty and other groups like that who have a very specific agenda, who are coming into school systems and starting this and making these efforts to ban books.

And the amount of times we've seen video or we've heard testimony from people who raise a book in the air and tell you how they dislike it.

And then when their feet are held to the fire, well, where did you come from?

Like, how did you get this book?

It was given to me.

Have you read it?

I haven't read it, but I just don't like the cover.

I don't like what I've heard.

I don't like anything.

Well, okay, so let's break it down really quick.

First of all, in a school library,

Yes, they can get rid of books that they esteem are not right for children.

I understand that.

But there are also mechanisms in place where parents can talk to the libraries and say, my kids can't look at these books.

I don't want my children to access X. Also, when we talk about public libraries, which actually like school libraries, that's one thing and that's another battle.

But public libraries, it makes me even more sick to my stomach and nervous because parents can walk in if you are a parent.

you open up an account, you put your child on the account, you can go right in there and say, hey, what's my kid looking at?

This doesn't have to involve the cops, it doesn't have to involve Alderman, Congress, anybody, it's your private life, your child, you walk in, we do not need moms for liberty invading a town and or trying to ban books from other states.

This is not how we do things.

This isn't a

grassroots effort.

This is not a coming from the ground,

Actual parents who are concerned about this.

These are outside groups coming in with a very specific agenda to disappear things Good heavens, and I'll have to double-check if this is on the list in Wisconsin But in a number of other states they have banned the diary of Anne Frank.

Oh, yeah The diary of Anne Frank people think about that why they banned that book?

That book why?

So I'm looking up right now.

There is no official as it says There's no statewide official book a list of banned books the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel back in 2023 had a story that I'm looking at right now I can even I'll even look it up here, but there's a very good reason why?

They do not want to face history and even though it's not our American history It's one that we are tied to anything has to do with

tragedy, injustice, mass, genocides, we're talking about any of the, we do not want to remember.

Or no, let me rephrase that.

We don't want to admit to.

That is why the Smithsonian is disappearing articles, exhibits and pieces on the enslavement of other humans because this country will do everything it can to try to walk away from it, where in fact, maybe a hundred years ago, if we would just faced it,

and done a little sunlight on as a disinfectant, we'd be in a much better place.

But no, we'd rather just forget about it.

And the diarrhea in Frank, that makes my grandpa fought in the war.

And yes, he fought for Germany.

I don't want to have to deal with that.

It's...

Those books cause a levered level of discomfort to people in power and they want to get rid of that discomfort So they do what they can they use their money and their influence and they disappear them And then they tell you that you're wrong for wanting it to be there in the first place.

Well, and don't forget I mean and I'm assuming that there are plenty of parents who are

specifically buying banned books for their children to read if that is the case in their schools.

Stephen King, author Stephen King is the one when this discussion first started a couple of years ago.

He said you know the best way to get kids to read books?

ban them.

Those are the ones they'll seek out.

It was the same thing when they, you know, I understand the point of the musical artists who were against the explicit labels on their records.

They felt like it infringed on their free speech.

I understand that argument, but there is something to be said that those labels ended up making record sales go up because kids saw them like, well, what's on that record?

Exactly.

And Stephen King is a great, great example too.

He is a man who self

banned his own book because he felt like it was poisoning the minds of the readers, a book called Rage that had to do with a shooting in a school.

And they found that book in some people's lockers and some people's possession.

And he finally said, it's out of print forever.

We're not bringing it back.

There will be no movie about it.

And he hasn't budged on it.

And he, the author said, I can do this.

You can't do it to me.

We're talking about book bands and an event Wednesday night in Waukesha, the Waukesha Public Library.

Stay with us.

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We will take you on the other side.

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7524842 you can leave a comment if you're watching in the live stream on Facebook YouTube and what used to be Twitter it is Band Book Week in Wisconsin in 2023 Wisconsin was the second most banned book state in the US that's according to Penn

That's not good.

There is an event Wednesday night 7 o'clock at the walk a shop public library where they're going to be talking about band book week Ali from the North Woods has been waiting very patiently to join in this on this.

Good morning Ali.

What do you want to say?

Well, I just want to warn everybody about this band book business That was one of the first things that the Germans did that Hitler had ordered was

the banning and burning of books.

Huge, huge burning.

Bonfires.

Yes.

And we are, and Frank is a model for every one of us to be reading.

What's happening to us now is what happened to them.

Hitler's regime went into people's homes, pulled them out, arrested them, harassed them, and those things are happening to us now.

Everybody should be watching.

If you can't read Diary of Anne Frank, watch the movie.

Watch Schindler's List.

learn about what happened then and see how it is happening to the United States now.

And we need to be to learn about that and to speak up.

Yeah.

Appreciate it, Ollie.

Thank you very much.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Read, read the diary of Anne Frank.

And, and it comes back to a discussion point we've had numerous times and I'm going to, I'm going to keep harping on this.

I don't want it to be until it happens, but it's going to affect you one day.

And, you know, let's, let's take, let's take tariffs out of the equation.

Let's take cost of living out of the equation.

I'm talking about this kind of stuff.

the overarching hand of the authority government government to say you can't read this you can't do this you can't write this you can't stay here

and eventually a knock on your door will happen.

I don't care how Trump you think you are, how MAGA you think you are, and you're sitting here listening to me going, that'll never happen to me.

I'm too MAGA.

I'm too rich.

I'm too white.

I'm too male.

It will someday not be good enough for them.

You will not be good enough because you offer them nothing and a knock will come on the door.

I'm perfectly, perfectly aware that a knock may come on my door.

Perfectly aware, but it may come at your door one day and I want to know this What book have we banned that is doing society better now?

What book that that's made it better since we banned it correct Correct.

What book has been banned outright unavailable to the reading public of America that is now making us

better because as far as I know usually and it's funny actually Calvin it's funny that you played the the Beatles because the Beatles in 1965 were the focus of a record burning campaign because of something John Lennon said oh yes and the conservatives of this country went absolutely insane and they said that's fine for us they re-bought our records but the thing is is that

This country isn't better because we try to get rid of the Beatles.

We're not better because we want to ban Anne Frank.

We're not better because we want to make sure our kids can't read books that we might not like.

It's better that they learn.

It's better that we understand.

And by having banned Book Week, we keep in our hearts the history of the fact that we had leaders who said no, and we said no, thank you.

What happened to knowledge is power.

That's what I was taught growing up.

Knowledge is power.

The more you know, the better off you are.

And that's threatening.

And that means knowing all of history, even including the bad icky parts.

Knowledge is

power.

It brings you something.

It brings a reader.

It's like traveling, Jane.

You know this.

It opens the world to you.

It allows you to take in other ideas and other people's experience.

It brings something that scares the living.

but Jesus out of these people, which is nuance.

The moment you introduce nuance into the conversation, they go insane, because they want it to be good, evil, bad, good, patriot, traitor.

There's no room for- There's no gray.

There's no gray whatsoever.

Because the moment you do that, it messes with everything they believe in.

And more importantly, everything they're trying to get their followers to believe.

This event, again, going to happen Wednesday night at the Waukesha Public Library at 7 p.m.

They're going to have a panel with banned book authors, including Kathy Giorgio, who is from Waukesha, Jim Landwer from Wales, Mary Wimmer from Wales, journalist and activist John Nordcross from Aconamwalk, and also Jackie Leiden is going to be there, a past NPR national anchor and journalist.

So check that out if you're in the Waukesha area Wednesday night, 7 p.m.

at the Waukesha Public Library, go buy some ban books.

And

give them to your neighbors

and pass

them around.

Loan them out.

That might be a good thing for everybody

to do today.

Have yourself a ban book club.

Great

idea.

Yeah.

The first one, Charlotte's Web.

Who knew?

All right.

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It is the can you dig it addition Calvin found it.

It's good Kind of historical for me

There's a family tie to this story for me.

Oh, okay.

All

right.

All right.

Okay.

Family tie.

Family tie.

I would not

part

of

your family.

No, but my last

name is Bach.

All right.

And we have Brewers coming up later on today.

Yeah.

Game two.

Game one, we won.

We won and handily and was wonderful.

It was a good thing.

Yep.

It was a nine to nine to three.

Nine to three.

It's pretty great.

Tonight, game two.

of the NLDS Brewers hosting the Cubbies, our broadcast will start tonight at 7.30.

You cannot listen on the stream.

You have to listen to actual radio, terrestrial radio.

So listen to the game.

Again, our coverage starting at 7.30 on WRCE in Richland Center, WCQM in Park Falls, WBZH.

Good morning, Hayward and Hayward.

And here in Racine and Kenosha on WRJN,

The crew hosting the Cubs tonight, our broadcast starts 7.30.

I think the first pitch goes out about eight o'clock.

Yeah.

And if you were going to be traveling along I-94 South.

God help you.

South and North from Milwaukee to Chicago expect lots of company.

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, oh no.

No, I should be gonna be all right.

I'll be in Milwaukee tonight But I'll be along the lakefront for the start of the Milwaukee Comedy Festival That's right

which

unofficially kicks off with the roast of Milwaukee tonight the Cooperage Which I think it's like the eighth or ninth annual now our friend Kristen Brian friend Kristen Brie will be hosting the event as well as well as having wonderful comedians from the city

giving, loving, but ribbing tributes to the city that be and the surrounding areas.

So you want to come out seven thirties at the Cooperage.

You can find tickets at MKE comedy fest.com.

Should be a lot of

put on

by the Milwaukee record.

And then we have events going through the rest of the week.

And we'll talk more about that, but we have shows every single night, multiple shows on, on Friday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Amazing headliners, punky Johnson from SNL, a part of non-Sharla, who's been on movies, TVs, author.

Sean Patton, whose new show, English Teachers, premiered second season on FX, and Patton

Oswald.

Patton Oswald.

That's a big guess.

I know you're so excited.

If I get to meet him, it's going to be difficult.

He's going to plot.

Yes.

I'm for clipped.

Well, it will include a link into to the Milwaukee Comedy Festival correct in our show notes So check that out.

You can find our show notes at civicmedia.us Go to the top click on shows go to matinee on air And then there's archive shows there with two months two months with great notes that Greg puts together with all the links that you need For things that we've talked about in the show and articles and all such things All right, this is the portion of the show we call audio Sorbet where we take a breath get away from the news

Talk about something silly audio Sorbet we clean your ears with fun.

I want that on a pillow It's audio Sorbet and today our audio Sorbet is how do you alarm?

Yeah, how do you wake up in the morning 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 do you have an old radio clock alarm?

Is it maybe you have a fancy schmancy apple watch?

Maybe it's just your phone

Maybe you don't use an alarm.

Many years ago, I had a, I dated a guy, a wonderful man who never set an alarm and he was never late for anything.

And he said, I just, before I go to sleep, I think of the time I need to be up and then I just wake up at six o'clock in the morning.

I would, I would never, I would be late for everything.

Oh, awesome.

I would, I would

not.

Could you do that?

Oh, I see what you're saying.

I thought you meant you were just... I thought you meant you didn't do that, therefore you were li... Um, okay,

so... Could you

just go to sleep and say, I'm gonna wake myself up

tomorrow at

5.30?

No, no, not at all.

In fact, well, no, not at all.

I get...

When I used to do a patch show, I had to be here by no later than really 535 35, but I would still be rushing.

So I like to get here like five, five, 15, just so I had some time to space out to get comfy, do the things I needed to do.

Get a cup

of coffee.

Exactly.

Two, three cups of coffee.

I would, I set alarms.

I have an alarm on my phone that goes directly to my watch.

I wear my watch while I sleep and almost inevitably

I will wake up before my alarm goes out.

I will sometimes wake up and then fall back to sleep, and then it will wake me up.

But most times, especially during the week for work, I wake up five, 10, 20 minutes before the alarm goes out.

You do.

Yes.

But that would never tempt me to go alarmless, because I know the one time.

Now, luckily now, there's no chance I'm sleeping till nine o'clock anymore, unless I go to bed, say, like five o'clock in the morning.

You're just going to wake up.

Our show I don't have to be here at seven if I'm 15 minutes late.

It's it's gonna be fine But still I'm not tempting the demons of fate I have to have an alarm even if I wake up before that because I just can't and and and and I don't know how you feel about this when you have say like a flight or You must be up to do something Do you sleep well at all that night?

No, no, no,

never.

Yeah, no

You toss and you turn and you look at the clock every two hours, right?

And it's like, now I have to get up in three hours.