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One of us start off with this because we've talked a lot about farmers and Wisconsin farmers.

Darren Van Ruden, who is the president of the Wisconsin Soybean Growers Association.

Darren Van Ruden.

Darren Van Ruden.

I'm sorry, Darren.

It's so tough when you have a Derek Van Horten and Darren Van

Ruden.

Yeah, it's just, it's so

anyway.

Only one of them I really want to talk to.

Darren.

Darren.

We'll be here next Wednesday.

And I'm looking forward to talking to him about this.

But this came up yesterday.

Donald Trump suggests farmer bailout will be coming

from tariff money.

Wait a minute, is this 2018 all over again, Jane?

It certainly seems like that, because the last time Donald Trump did this to our farmers, he had to bail them out with, what, $200 million?

No, no, it was 12, it was started as 12, it

ballooned up to $16 billion.

And that only covered about half their losses.

I mean, it just, and yeah, it doesn't, it...

Yeah, and he thinks he's doing the world a favor He thinks he's doing the farmers a favor by bailing them out with and by the way the tariff money isn't guaranteed So if he says we're gonna give you money Will they either be will give you money no matter what or only if the tariff money comes rolling in because now the tariffs are so aggressive and almost comic book villainy That it seems like you're not gonna get as much as you say even though you're slapping

100% tariffs on

everything.

So yeah, this, we've talked to Darren about this.

We've talked to Hans Brighton Moser about this.

And yeah, money is good, but they just want to work and do their job and be able to get the things done.

I don't know, maybe throw in a, throw in a bailout and a free farm bill while we're

at it.

Well, which by the way, still has not passed.

Correct.

The farm bill is still languishing.

two years overdue.

Yeah, two years late, the Farm Bill would really help our farmers a whole lot, but we can't seem to get anything done on that.

Here is the president.

Yesterday, Calvin, we have that clip, please, from Donald Trump talking about his great idea to help our farmers.

We want to take our money.

We're doing well because of tariffs.

We're doing unbelievable.

We're making more money than we ever have made.

And by the way, we're going to take some of that tariff money that we made just to get off the subject for a second.

We're going to take some of that tariff money that we made.

We're going to give it to our farmers who are for a little while going to be hurt until it kicks in.

Tariffs kick into their benefit.

So we're going to make sure that our farmers are in great shape because we're taking in a lot of money.

So we're so rich for a little while.

Two years of pain, Greg.

Well,

just two years of pain.

I mean, if there's a farmer out there listening, have you been through two years of pain or has it been 20 years or 20 generations?

I mean, this country's not been good to our farmers from both sides of the aisles, I will say

for many years.

But this is patronizing to the point of.

I want to say laughable like once again, if it was a movie, I'd laugh at this, but it's real life.

And yes, some of those farmers will enjoy the money they get.

I'm sure all of them will enjoy the money they get.

They can use it for what they need, especially since this country was cutting off contracts with them for funding to buy equipment and maintenance and upgrade their farms.

But, you know, we'll see what happens.

We'll see, you know, the country isn't this government's in the in the in the game of bailing out, I guess now.

And

Brendan on the live stream says isn't this socialism sounds close to it.

I mean kind of socialistic

But I keep thinking about that farmer in Arkansas was it Arkansas was Missouri that young man who went viral and then we spoke to Will Westmoreland about it and because he wasn't because he had one of it he had a contract cut off from the Trump administration after he'd purchased all of his equipment invested all of this money and Then he had nothing well.

He got the money

Eventually, cause that's what happens.

Well, if you can become viral enough and get the

attention of the administration, then they might do something.

And then once he gets the money, they're like, oh, okay, I'm fine with this now again.

So that's, I don't, and maybe that's a conversation with Darren too, is to say, look, I understand that farmers want to do their job.

And I understand some of the farmers voted for Donald Trump.

Some of them didn't.

But what I want to, I want to understand is, can they keep it in front of mine to say, oh, this is,

We're used to getting the shaft from this government, but this is even worse and we're seeing it again like this happened in 2018 and 2019 during his first administration So they're just gonna do it again because he just says I'm gonna give money to the farmers I'm wondering did anyone in that room on his staff know he was going to say that because he said specifically I'm gonna get off topic for a moment, which is the first time I think he's ever said it out loud

that he's going to go off topic, but he just sort of said it.

So I'm wondering if anyone in the room knew that was happening.

Cause if they didn't, this is a massive commitment.

Well, Brooke Rollins, who is the agriculture secretary

has been,

she's been dancing in the last couple of days because they're hearing from our farmers who if, if you take a look around, you can listen to Maggie Dawn's show from yesterday.

She was at a local farm in Wisconsin.

All kinds of stories about the struggles that our farmers are going through.

And what I just find so ironic about this, again, Trump is the one who did this to our farmers by imposing these tariffs.

And now we're all paying for it.

We're all paying higher prices because of these tariffs, including our farmers.

So essentially, the farmers are paying themselves back.

Essentially,

yeah.

Yeah.

Right?

Yes.

It's kind of a circular.

It's an

oral course.

It's a circular.

A circular payment system or a Boris.

It's a snake eating its own tail and As mentioned before Yes, they will probably utilize and when I say enjoy I don't mean like happily enjoy I mean in the most I mean most Prussian version They will enjoy the money they have and they will use it to for what they need But really when it comes down to it and this goes this goes out to everyone in that in in Washington on Capitol Hill what the farmers need

are partners in good investments in their work because, as they say, every time they go near a podium, the farmers are the backbone of this country.

And then they continually screw them.

Yeah.

Also,

just to kind of tag onto this.

Oh, I'm fired up.

It's Friday.

We are giving Argentina $20 billion.

Argentina.

Because, I'm sorry, sorry.

Por qué?

Because Trump likes Malaley in Argentina.

Oh, you mean, oh.

And so we're gonna buy their bonds, I believe.

Ron Filipowski on Twitter said this yesterday, we are bailing out Argentina while Argentina's farmers sell soybeans to China in the place of American farmers.

That's putting them out of business.

So now we have to bail out American farmers while farmers in Argentina make bank.

So he's bailing

out two sets of farmers, essentially.

I should say they're investing, they're giving.

So, two things.

One, this is on top of the fact that Donald Trump, and we talked about this story before, and I found an egg web, which is a great app on farming news, was begging China to up their soybean game with us here in America because it has been decimated since his first term.

Also, what happened to America first?

What happened to cutting foreign aid?

What about us?

What about it's all about America?

We got to put us forward now Argentina gets 20 billion dollars of our money Cuz he likes him boy.

Oh, howdy does he

John from West Bend texting in and the farmers voted for him again?

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Before we went to the break, we were talking about Donald Trump announcing yesterday that we're going to use tariff money to bail out the farmers who are suffering because of the tariffs, essentially.

Yeah, it's terrific.

Yeah, just terrific.

Yeah, we were talking about that.

We were, you know, we're going to talk to most likely Darren Von Ruden about this.

I cannot give it.

Darren Von Ruden.

See, you did this to me.

I'm not.

I'm

sorry.

This is

your fault.

We're going to speak to Darren Von Ruden, who is the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union next week.

I'm sure we'll be talking about this matter to really understand

How what farmers attitudes will be towards a bailout?

Yes, there will be some relief that will come if this happens at all by the way This is not for sure.

This is not he has simply said he said on a live event

right

that we're gonna give some of this money away to Farmers from the terrace because we're making more money than we've ever made We're winning till the cows come home for the farmers that's a pun for farmers, but what I wanted to bring up is

If you go to civicmedia.us slash shows, look for Maggie show.

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Yesterday she came, she went to the, the Rezinger, Rezinger family farm in spring green and talked to a bunch of individuals about what's going on.

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that and also and you brought this up Jane and I believe it was someone on the on the text line brought it up as well John from West Bend said he's listening on WA UK He said and the farmers voted for him to get again, and if you want an insight Into why this is there's a wonderful book.

I read it in college

by Thomas Frank called, what's the matter with Kansas?

And it's basically, what's the matter with Kansas?

How conservatives won the heart of America?

And it's about messaging and getting out there and making them forget their greater needs in place of patriotism and fear.

So what's the matter with Kansas as the book?

If you want just a small insight into why this, but this book was written in 2004.

So things have very much changed, but

that message still

resonates in the quote,

Heartland where we live.

Yeah, you go drive 20 minutes from Racine due west You're gonna see nothing but farmland you will see Trump signs and every time I see it I think the same thing I I want to knock on the door and say politely Why tell me why this is what is it about him that makes you feel better about?

This country and and I listen.

I'm not gonna try to change their mind I truly want to know but what's the matter with Kansas is a great book great insight into why this is the case

you can find it everywhere.

And we'll include this in the show notes in case you're driving in the car or something and you can't write it down right now.

Yeah.

And this just Chuck Grassley, of course, the 9000 year old Republican from Iowa, who is a farmer in Iowa, he's shrieking now about the fact that we are helping out Argentina.

We're going to give them 20 billion dollars.

We're going to loan them 20 billion dollars.

Because Trump likes Millie Lee, who runs Argentina.

And Chuck Grassley said, why is the U.S.

helping bail out Argentina while they take American soybean producers' biggest market?

We should use leverage at every turn to help our herding farm economy.

Family farmers should be top of mind in negotiations

by the USA.

So essentially, China is now buying soybeans from Argentina to avoid the tariffs in America.

And Argentina just suspended their tariffs.

So China gets a better deal.

So we are undercutting our own farmers with this deal that we're giving to Argentina.

Jane, we're winning.

I don't know if you know this.

We're making more money than we've ever made in the history.

I'm confused about

What that went winning apparently

maybe if we you know what I never thought about this before what if we all as Society just sucked up to Trump enough where he just said I'll give them free health care What if we're doing this wrong we don't have enough money Yeah, but if we like them all enough it

may be the amount of people No, no, no, but the flattery will always be second to cash

A close second.

Everyone bring a dollar.

Yeah, we'll all chip in.

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Jack from Miramac texting in $20 billion for Argentina, billions more for farmers.

I thought the tariffs every American is paying were supposed to pay for the trillions in tax welfare gifted to the 1% and rich corporations.

Instead, we're paying Argentina first and now we're using socialist subsidies.

for our farmers.

Kind of seems like that.

Yep.

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He sure seems to have a soft spot for Argentina.

Absolutely.

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Speaking of...

You're going to the brewers game tonight.

I am.

I'm going, Jane.

It's not technically brunch, but I'm just going to use it for the bee, for the bee alliteration, brunch, boat, brewers and my friend, Ben.

Oh, that's sweet.

And my friend Nicole too.

Like she's going to, but she, you know, it doesn't work with the bees.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's honestly, I'm very excited.

I got a bunch of work done.

I'm going to be able to enjoy the rest of the

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I know.

I'm usually like,

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big

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I

know.

I'm getting out like a big boy.

We want to see pictures.

All right.

Greg, we'll take pictures and we'll put them up on our socials after tonight's.

Oh, cool.

Thank you,

Jay.

After tonight's Brewer's Game, when they take on Cincinnati, our broadcast starts at 6.35.

Last weekend of regular play.

Yeah.

We can walk away with the best record in baseball this weekend.

And that would be a historic for the Brewers too, if they do that, right?

Yeah.

Go crew.

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Gene from Eau Claire is on the line.

Good morning, Gene.

Thank you for joining us.

What did you want to say?

Well, good morning.

Great show, guys.

You know, I think I'm hallucinating today.

Whoa.

You know, I think my ears aren't working correctly.

You know.

President have his own checkbook that he can take taxpayers dollars and we'll throw a little here.

We're gonna get a ballroom and yeah, we're gonna do all these lawsuits that we gotta pay for oh my gosh, you know we Well, we gotta get those homeless people off the street.

Come out.

Come on.

Oh All the ice people they get left in money for each person they pick up holy mo

I'm just wondering if I'm living in La La Land.

I cannot believe this.

Oh, and then Mr. Grassley.

Holy s**t. He just praises that guy or maybe he needs a stronger hearing aid.

You know that he didn't know this was going to happen.

I'll tell you something.

I watch these people and they just go along with everything.

I think they just sit there like a bump on a log and don't even do the work.

I hope we get all new people in there.

The people that

with the R after their name.

I see the people with the D after their name working hard every day trying to work for the people and then they're going to get blamed if they shut down.

Oh my gosh, what a twisted world we live in.

You guys have a great weekend.

And thanks for giving information.

Absolutely, Gene.

Thank you so

much.

Really appreciate you checking in.

Actually, Gene brings up something really important.

This might not be a bad opportunity for us to contact some of our lawmakers.

And how am I going to do that?

I got so much going on.

I'm downloading the Free Civic Media app.

I'm going to baseball games, having a drink and a boat.

It's all in one place for you, Greg.

OK.

Myvote.wi.gov.

That sounds like a...

website.

It is my vote.wi.gov.

All you have to do is type in your address.

All of your elected representatives will appear, including their contact information.

Correct.

So, you know, and we've talked to enough lawmakers.

This does make a difference.

Yes.

If there is enough response.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So don't think it doesn't matter.

And please be polite.

We always we always ask you that because

a lot.

The person answering the phone is not the person with the power.

And I will say this too, if you're at my vote.wi.gov, also check to make sure your voting registration information is correct, updated and up to speed because they just did some maintenance on the voter rolls this year.

If people, I'm keeping it.

This is a conspiracy folks.

If you've moved, if you don't update it, they throw you off.

That's what happens.

So if, you know, if you just haven't voted in a while, first of all, come on, man.

Second,

Just make sure all your voter registration information is correct by going to myvote.wi.gov.

It's a great site, not just for contacting your representatives, but finding out about your voter registration, where you vote, when the ballots are available.

You can request an absentee ballot through them.

You can also see what's on your ballot

so

you can make informed decisions because sometimes those questions are real confusing.

So

myvote.wi.gov, I swear I should just get a tattooed on my forehead.

That would be a

new I'm not doing it.

Nope.

Not doing

I'm not on the forehead on the forehead.

I'll

do it on the five head because it goes up high

You may also want to Contact them about this what's up because the president just announced this last night Imports a pharmaceutical products.

Yeah, if branded or patented a hundred percent tariff

Trump also says the US is now is in point is imposing a 25% tariff on big trucks and Like what huh on big trucks heavy trucks and 50% tariffs on all kitchen cabinets bathroom vanities and Associated products and these kick in next Wednesday

What is going on

he has complete authority to do anything

This doesn't sound like a dictator at all.

No, not at all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So if you were planning on remodeling your bathroom, do it now.

Get your order in today on those kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.

My husband and I did this earlier in the year.

And even before all of this, it took us three months to get these things.

And also, I guess get all your meds from America too.

Well, and of course there are all these caveats in there where these tariffs won't apply if they are promising to manufacture here or start manufacturing here, but It just it just kind of came out of nowhere last night.

Yeah,

it's like he takes a nap and he dreams about it and then he wakes up and he tweets it

Honestly, I was thinking the exact same thing like is are these just fever dream statements?

I

know what I'll do.

This will be great.

Yeah, I mean

There is a great website and we had James van der Luan.

They gave us their website and I'll try to find that.

But for right now, a trade compliance resource hub, all one word.com, you can find something called the Trump tariff tracker.

And that will give you all of the tariffs that are either being threatened.

They use the word threatened, by the way, not me.

I'm not saying that word.

This is what the website threatened, implemented.

There's other ones to exempt, but it gives you a rundown of all the, the tariffs cause there are

so many

happening.

I cannot keep up.

So well,

it was supposed to be 90 deals at 90 days.

Well,

it was all supposed to be end of war day one,

but you know,

Hey,

Oh yeah.

Apparently nine months

later,

that's going well.

Apparently consequences are nothing for them.

But yeah, trade compliance resource hub.com.

I'll put that in the webs and the, in the show notes for today.

But yeah, you can, it makes

keeping up easier.

In 2024, this is from npr.org.

America imported over $200 billion in pharmaceutical and medicinal products.

The prospect of prices doubling for some medicines could send shockwaves to voters as health care costs, including the costs of Medicare and Medicaid, potentially increase.

I'm going to tie this a little bit to

the budget and the potential of the government shutting down.

Just a reminder that the Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House.

They don't have enough votes among their own party to pass this measure.

This, this CV.

CR.

That too.

So they need a couple of Democrats to do it.

And the Democrats are like, unless you make some concessions,

To continue the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, we're not signing off on this.

That's what the Democrats are standing on.

Yeah.

And they're going to blame the Democrats when the government shuts down.

Absolutely.

That's what they do.

They never take responsibility.

They're not the party of personal responsibility.

They push that narrative for decades.

They're not the party of personal responsibility.

Never have been.

They're already blaming the Democrats.

I guarantee you, right now, an elected official from Washington is sitting on some talk show saying that if we could just get the Democrats on board, no, get your own party on board.

Every time the government shuts down, it looks bad for them.

When Obama was president and the government shut down, it looked awful for them.

Now he's gone and you got Trump there, you're in charge.

I'll throw the Supreme Court in there.

You've got everything.

and you still can't get it done.

I just really hope, hope against hope, that maybe some of you who voted for this guy will say, well, maybe okay.

I was lied to.

Yeah.

I was lied to

but no they're gonna be able to easily blame the Democrats because it's always the Democrats fault and then Chuck Schumer will be standing in the back with a strongly worded letter

going

where you need to do something about this right now because I'm a hundred I'm a rich and I don't care

the new tariffs on cabinetry will further increase the cost for home builders yep at a time when many people who want to buy a house are kind of priced out because of the housing shortage and high mortgage rates National Association of Realtors say there are signs of price pressures easing

But still, they say the median price for an existing home is $400,000.

Maybe in some parts of the country, I have to think around here, it's closer to three.

I don't believe it.

I don't think nationwide it's 400 plus thousand.

That just doesn't make sense to me.

But the price of lumber, the price of building supplies are always already going up since COVID.

I mean,

two by four is like tripled in price.

I was gonna say, because we have tariffs against Canada importing lumber.

And so that is kind of ground our housing.

Industry to

all I mean once again folks on the folks listening who voted for Donald Trump Tell me how we're winning.

Tell me how this is making us win 8

5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 that's 8 5 5 7 5 civic talking about tariffs Again, if you were planning a bathroom remodel you may want to get to Home Depot this weekend and pick something out and order it before next Wednesday.

Yeah when the

New tariffs kick in on bathroom and kitchen cabinets bathroom vanities 30% tariffs on upholstered furniture and 25% on heavy trucks starting on October 1st

and Here's also the just the grim reality of it all These prices will never come down even if tariffs go away because once they go up they stay up because people will pay

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escalator gate, which we really didn't get a lot.

We didn't get around to in the last couple days.

Again, there is so much going on and so much happening.

And we kind of have to look at what really takes priority.

And you would think that this was the worst thing that happened in the world if you watched Fox.

Well, and I want to make something very clear.

We've said this before many times.

We said it this week as well.

There are things that come out of the Trump White House that come out the Trump mouth.

that are squirrels, that are distractions, that are built to distract you from important things like the big bill for billionaires, the Epstein files, and that's the two big ones in my opinion.

The reason why I wanted to talk about this has less to do with the actual event and more of the aftermath.

Now, granted,

A day and a half ago, he wasn't calling for the prosecution of those who are part of this apparent sabotage of the president's escalator and his teleprompter.

That got, I mean, it got out of hand quickly, but not off brand, not off brand.

This for me had to do more with reaction from the press.

And I want to just paint a picture here.

Three weeks ago, Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood, undeservedly, horrifically.

And I stand against it as we all do.

And frankly, I'm tired of having to say that out loud.

You should just know I don't believe in political violence.

But after the escalator thing, Jesse Waters, who, by the way, is not a comedic figure on Fox News, he is a pundit, an anchor, and the lead guy.

He is now in the Tucker Carlson slash Willow Riley spot.

So this is not about funny.

This is about having an actual opinion on this.

Calvin, can you play the clip?

of Jesse Waters' solution to what happened at the UN this week.

What's going on with the escalator?

What do you think?

Yeah, they sabotaged them.

Yeah.

And they could have hurt the first lady.

Yeah.

Trump would have fallen and would have gotten back up.

But, you know, the first... They would have

blamed it on his rhetoric.

And then they sabotaged the teleprompter.

Yeah.

I mean, this is an insurrection.

And what we need to do is either leave the UN,

or we need to bomb it.

It is in New York though, right?

Could be some fallout

there.

All

right.

Didn't have to apologize.

Oh, they never apologized.

Didn't have to apologize.

Didn't get fired.

Nothing happened to him.

And he was sitting here listening to people on the right, trying to fire individuals.

for speaking their minds on Charlie.

Now, if they're speaking their minds and saying that Mr. Kirk deserve what he got, then that's a different conversation.

But when people are just speaking their truth, their hearts on the topic of that man and what they feel like he did to them and getting fired from their jobs because of pressure from the outside world through social media, that's wrong.

But the fact that Jesse Waters gets to make that statement on television, that is nothing happens.

That is.

political violence at its core.

It is revenge tactics.

He throws in a real slight 9-11 joke in there as well.

And nothing happens.

So I'm sick and tired of listening to people tell me that the intolerant left is the intolerant left.

When you got people like him sitting there on a TV show getting paid millions of dollars to make a crack like that.

And there are no consequences.

Yet I'm afraid to say anything even speaking my heart.

Because I'm afraid someone will come up from the Woodward said you should be fired.

This is ridiculous.

Well, and the other thing was From reports that I have seen over the last couple of days The person who triggered the stop on that escalator was actually a cameraman for the Trump administration And it's also my understanding that it was a member of the Trump administration who was running the teleprompter So it wasn't sabotage.

It wasn't trying to take him down.

No, this was operator error

Mm-hmm

by mistake.

Yeah by their own people

Yeah, these are mistakes made by human beings and I you know, I'm not gonna make fun of them for being on the Trump side I'm just gonna say these are mistakes made by human people They'll have to deal with the consequences whatever or they won't cuz consequences are hilariously adorable Well, they're only for some but I cannot stop thinking about this man making that statement saying those things

About a building full of people who's made their life's work to try to make it a more peaceful place on this planet He says that and nothing happens yet some guy in some guy in New York Makes a comment on social media and he loses his job.

Are you kidding me?

Don't come at me with I have to be respectful I am respectful not because you tell me to but because I am you start being respectful

Sorry,

I

get that really

I feel you.

It burned my grits.

I hear you.

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Good morning.

Thanks for coming in.

I am here.

Always wonderful to join you here on Matt and Air on Air.

And see you all here in person.

I know.

In studio.

Alive.

It's at Radio Park and Racine.

It's

really been nice having you come into studio.

I really, having people come into studio period is wonderful.

Yeah.

far less technical hiccups can happen,

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the energy is always better when you just have everyone, everyone vibing like jazz.

It's like, it's like the stories we don't talk about.

That's what you got to talk about.

Sure, Greg.

Yes, I had,

I had coffee.

Let's talk about the recombination area.

Let's talk about.

Tom Tiffany.

We'll talk about Tom Tiffany.

We'll talk about a really a wild week in the Republican primary for governor.

There's a lot to get into there.

But I think the headline of the week in Wisconsin politics is that Tom Tiffany, the seventh district congressman.

has made it official.

He is running for governor,

which isn't a surprise.

Not a surprise.

Well, he's been shaking hands at state fair and all over the place.

Can

I ask a question though about timeline?

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there supposed to be an announcement?

Like there was a big thing about Wednesday, but he announced on Tuesday.

So they had an event Wednesday, like the actual, like he had an event in Wausau at this facility or whatever.

But like he broke the news on Tuesday afternoon.

Got you.

All right.

All right, gotcha, okay.

Man, I wish we could have gotten that exclusive.

Next time, next time.

And you feel that he's going to be the front

runner.

I

do.

Well, he's got the name right.

Well, I think

he walks into this race as the front runner for a couple of reasons.

And I do think he is going to be the eventual Republican nominee for governor.

I think he is a Trump endorsement and a strong fundraising quarter away from being from clearing the field, I think, really.

Well, but Tony Weed has endorsed him, which is like being Trump adjacent because he hasn't gotten Trump's endorsement

yet.

He will.

It's like the transitive property of endorsements.

Trump endorsed weed, weed endorsed Tiffany.

It's the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, only just sad.

Yes,

exactly sad six degrees of Kevin Bacon aside here Tom Tiffany You know, I think part of it too is just the fact that this is a pretty lackluster field for

the

Republicans and I think you know, we talked about it back when I had my column about about Tony Evers I think the Democratic bench is a strong one I think there are a lot of good candidates who have already announced many who are considering announcing whatever but I think on the Republican side like there's not a strong candidate who has put themselves forward, you know

Shoman was the first, uh, first out of the gate he announced in May.

I think it's significant that he has not picked up a single endorsement from anyone in the state legislature, any significant Republican names.

Like, you know, Tiffany announces this week, he gets the endorsement of the college Republicans endorsement from, from Tony weed.

Like at least there's something, you

know,

like I know how these campaigns work.

They want to play up the endorsement, make it a story,

do it, all of

those different

kinds of

things.

You know, showman's been on the road for.

what almost six months now, uh, campaigning in this and he hasn't picked up any significant endorsements at all.

Uh, you know, so young guy working hard, whatever.

I don't think he has a particularly strong record to run on.

He hasn't picked up a lot of support.

I think there's a reason people were looking for somebody else to announce.

And I think also they don't write, they don't write about him unless they're writing about the whole field and the whole can't, the whole race.

He's not done anything that's really brought the news.

to him.

Right.

He hasn't put out some sort of like bold agenda for Wisconsin or anything like that.

He's just like, Hey, I'm a younger guy and had, have had this job in Washington County and here I am.

For

him, like, you know, putting your head into the ring and running into statewide race takes a lot.

But, you know, he hasn't really picked up steam.

He got his name out there is what it is.

I don't think he's going to be the nominee.

Todd, all by had a chance to talk to him when, when he was traveling around the state.

And Todd, at least from his perspective, thought that he was a pretty

strong candidate.

But again, he lacks the name recognition.

He doesn't have much of a record to run on, although that brings me to my question.

What is Tom Timothy Tiffany's fabulous record that he's going to run on that he stood next to the Blotnik bridge with the infrastructure repair bill that was passed by Joe Biden that he didn't vote for?

I mean, what does what does he have to come forward and say, look what I did for you, Wisconsin?

He likes Trump done.

That's all he

needs.

He's a strong.

Trump ally, you know, he's been elected as a Congressman three times.

He was in the state Senate for a while before that assembly briefly before that.

So he has, you know, strong ties to state government.

He understands how the process

works.

Yeah, he's been there a long time.

He should have a record of accomplishments.

Exactly.

Well, and I think, you know, I mentioned this when I was talking to Todd yesterday as well.

He authored a bill that was, you know, kind of like stripping some environmental regulations when they were talking about putting a mine in Northern Wisconsin.

He was one of the, you know, kind of the lead legislators behind some.

those efforts, I think there are a number of things on education in Wisconsin from the Walker era that he was very much a part of that will be scrutinized.

He went further than any Wisconsin congressman did in 2020 to try to overturn the election results.

Tiffany's case, to be governor, it is not a crossover appeal candidate.

It is not a moderate, bring

people together to the center.

It is an activate the base.

It is the play to try to get as many people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 to come out and vote for Tom Tiffany in 2026.

That's the play for him.

I think there's like this whole, you know, geographic shift occurring if he were to be the nominee too, because the stronghold in Wisconsin for Republicans for so long was the Wildcannies.

The three, you know, deep red counties around Milwaukee that have becoming much more purple over the last decade.

And I think it is interesting to think about how.

you know, okay, Josh, Josh Showman coming from walk Washington County.

We've had other Brad Schimmel was from from Waukesha County.

We've had a lot of Scott Walker from from that area too.

And so I think we've had a lot of Republicans from that area that who have lost.

And I think this is a sign that that the center of power for Republican politics in Wisconsin is moving away from the suburbs and is becoming a more of a rural much more than Northwood's party.

If you're just joining us on Matt and Aaron, we're speaking to Pacific Media's political editor and founder of the Reconpopulation Area, Mr. Dan Schaefer.

And we're talking about his newest article in the Reconpopulation Area talking about the candidacy of one Tom Tiffany, who is running for governor of Wisconsin as a GOP candidate in 2026.

And there's two things for me.

If I'm a campaigner, if I'm if I'm on the left,

I'm going to simply say whether he was in the state house or Capitol Hill, Tom Tiffany has never had Wisconsin in mind for his voting record shows that.

But also the question I have is, you know, he's trying to push the narrative now.

Like he's un-farm gear.

He's next to Kyle.

He's

using-

I know how

to shovel a barn.

He's using manure puns to point out the badness of everybody else.

I just-

I

didn't mind that, actually.

But the thing is, it's like, you know, yes.

Wisconsin voted for Trump in 2024 and 2016 he lost in 2020 and But the two major most major races in Wisconsin both for states Supreme Court Showed a different Wisconsin on the

face like it really like it

was a definite switch and and the thing is it'd be one thing if it was Trump and then nothing but blue But it was Trump blue Trump blue and so my question is

Will Wisconsin stand up the same way they did in in this year or in 2022 or will it be 2016 and 2020 or 2024 because I feel like when it's Wisconsin state race The minds are different there.

There's a

different consideration to the candidate themselves and I feel like Tom Tiffany because he doesn't have a ton of charisma in my opinion and he doesn't come with a lot of

Record he's gonna have to push the Trump narrative

and

that may push people away

well again if economically Things continue the way they are

tying yourself to Trump may not be the big win that everybody thinks it is.

It may not be.

And, you know, he was he was a vote in favor of the, you know, one big beautiful bill.

Of course he was.

He

slashed the safety net in this country in many ways while increasing spending.

Don't get a lot of bills that do both of those things.

And also, I think it is really interesting that the, you know, so Democratic Party of Wisconsin already put out an attack ad on Tiffany.

And the focus of that attack ad was the issue of tariffs.

There's a lot of different things you could go at Tom Tiffany on.

You could go on abortion rights, you could go on various different economic issues, what have you.

They went with tariffs.

And I think that's interesting.

And I think tariffs is going to be, I think we're going to see a lot of different candidates have that focus in the midterms, because I think, you know, that is one of those things that people looked to Trump as, you know, okay, let's go back to the, you know, pre 2020, before inflation, before this will get costs down, whatever.

The tariffs have not done that.

They have not made prices go down in any way.

Prices are continuing to go up.

Tariffs are hurting our economy in Wisconsin.

You guys talked about it earlier in the show.

with soybeans and the issue with farmers there, actually Rebecca Cook put out a press release saying that soybeans should be exempted from tariffs, which I thought was pretty interesting this week.

But I think the fact that they have focused on tariffs as the issue, and Marquette University did some polling earlier this year on tariffs in Wisconsin, only about 30% of Wisconsin voters say that tariffs help the economy.

And so I

think you're going to see

this be an issue in the midterms for Democrats saying like, the tariffs are bad for the economy.

It's a pretty simple case to be made.

Like we can all see what's happening in front of us right now.

I'm, you know, I guess I'm glad it did some Kitchener modeling before this happened.

But

you know, I think that is going to be, and I saw some of the, you know, outside special interest groups like do lists of like these are the things that are wrong with Tom Tiffany.

Tariffs was near the top of the list for that too.

And I think tariffs is going to emerge as a.

a major attack ad spot for Wisconsin Democrats in the midterms.

I would also just like to remind folks that Tom Tiffany, when they talked about turning the Apostle Islands into a national park, that's because he wants to mine one of the islands.

That's why.

It's not because he's such an environmentalist.

There is nothing to do with that.

It's about, yeah, let's strip mine it, come on.

Let me I want to ask you both a quote was there there's a text Yeah, yeah good Jake in Madison listening on WXCO.

Why be high-minded?

Tom Tiffany is a complete moron who has a load of tape of being a fool on Capitol Hill along with voting for every Walker policy that people hated and yes No Senate or governor race on the ballot is a big negative negative for the Wisconsin Republicans Fox will ignore the governor's race.

Thanks Jake for checking it

And that's the question.

Another Wisconsin state politics question I want to ask both of you.

I feel, and I think it's safe to say that in 2024, during the presidential election, Democrats failed to really grasp the economy as an issue that was applicable

to the people.

Absolutely.

I did as well.

I was trying to push this grander idea when I wasn't talking about kitchen table politics.

And that was my failure.

Is this a chance for Wisconsin Devin Rimmiker and the Wisconsin Democratic Party to, and putting out a statement of tariffs, that's very,

very

intentional.

Is this their chance to finally try to craft a message that talks about the economy that's A, very truthful, B, not mind-numbingly boring through explanation and detail, and C, appetizing to the voter.

All stripes.

I think you're onto something there.

Okay.

And I think that is, it would.

There's opportunity to strike a real economic message right now.

And if there's things tied to the bill, the big ugly bill, there's things tied to tariffs, there's things tied to all sorts of...

you could call it corrupt activity happening in the White House.

It's corruption, it's corruption, Palooza, come on.

Allegedly.

It's a festival of

corruption.

The scene from the inauguration with all the tech billionaire CEOs there with Trump as well, like there is an economic case to be made, an economic populism type of case to be made that I think we can and should see in the months ahead.

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