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Jocasta Samaripa is a older person in the city of Milwaukee, and she is running for Secretary of State.

So she's going to be joining us after 9.30 to talk about her candidacy and what she would like to do in that position.

Hour number two.

Frequent guest and friend of the show, Karine Hendrickson is going to be joining us right after the 10 o'clock news.

Karine, of course, ran a daycare center in Nouglaris for many, many years and was a big proponent and supporter of obviously daycare providers and had to close.

She had to close after all these years because it simply wasn't financially viable anymore and she has been inspired to run for office.

It makes sense for Corrine.

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And I think there's a lot of folks like her too, or finally like, I've had it.

We're not getting anything done.

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So Corrine Hendrickson joining us in hour number two to talk about her candidacy.

She's going to be running against Howard Markline.

Long time, long time Republican and there will be a primary as well because she's not the only dem running in that area.

But Karine joining us after 10 o'clock, last half an hour of the show, we will lighten it up as we always do with the segment we call Audio Sorbet, where we take a breath to get away from the news.

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This is something we've talked about many times.

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Doesn't seem like it should be a hard thing to get done.

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Representative Scott Krug, Republican, appeared on WISN's up front yesterday morning.

Republicans set to propose sweeping changes to ballot drop boxes ahead of the midterms.

Now the Supreme Court ruled.

Yes, they did.

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Scott Krug, vice chair of assembly elections committee, said on Sunday up front,

We've worked really hard with stakeholders across the spectrum.

Democrats and the legislature even talked to the governor's office about almost everything that's been in these bills.

To say we haven't done our homework on these are just Republican wish list ideas.

I think that would be a stretch.

Krug says, I think it's fair to say some of these things Republicans may not like either.

This bill includes multiple election related issues, including.

allowing election officials to start processing absentee ballots the day before election day.

This has had bipartisan support repeatedly.

It's passed the assembly before as well.

Repeatedly, and then goes to the Senate where they kill it.

In my estimation, they don't want this because this takes away one of their completely bogus claims.

Correct.

A ballot ballot dumps.

in the middle of the night in Milwaukee.

Something that they've used many, many times.

And there have been many, many ways to fix the problem, whether you're talking about what we're just discussing now, which is a bill to allow people to start counting ballots the day before.

And actually, it's not even counting them.

It's just processing them.

Yeah.

So it is a different thing and will include these articles in our show notes.

So you can read this for yourself because it's not even counting them.

It's just getting them checked

and ready to go

and ready to go.

Yeah.

And there has been, you know, we had numerous opportunities to do this and they've killed in the Senate.

They've poo pooed it.

They've said all sorts of terrible things about it.

And really it always comes down to the fact that

Wisconsinites agree on this one.

I think a lot of Republicans agree on this one.

It's finally just becoming overwhelming to the point where they have to do something because

The narrative of ballot dumps and, you know, all the bad, all this bad actors doing these bad things, it's just never proven.

And it's a waste of time.

And it makes it harder for these people, especially at places like Milwaukee, Madison that have a lot of ballots.

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harder.

I mean, do you remember 2020 when people were surrounding these buildings, screaming and yelling at them when they were just trying to do their job?

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three things for this topic.

There's going to be two articles on it.

And then I also included the interview that's, that Mr. Krug did with upfront as well.

And I will say the interview is interesting because while they want to do this, there are some provisos and one of them being that drop boxes have to have 24 hour surveillance via live stream.

Via camera live stream on the municipalities website at all times.

Yes.

So basically what you will see is a camera pointing at a mailbox waiting for people to put their ballots in which I assume that you know a municipality has more than one so

They'll have more than one camera available.

Well, and not necessarily.

There might only be one Dropbox.

But yes, if there are multiple Dropboxes, they will need multiple cameras.

There you go.

And that means that that's going to cost money.

And Mr. Krug addresses that point in the interview saying, how about some of these municipalities that can't afford all that technology?

Well, I guess there's grant money now.

is there yeah you mean grant money like was offered by mark suckerberg's foundation the old

version of mark suckerberg when he cared about democracy right no yeah yeah yeah they got rid of that one we can't do that because uh oh because we voted on a constitutional amendment which did away with all outside not outside money to influence our election outside money to help process to run elections

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give resources to these local county and city clerks that

would allow them to run their elections easier and simply, yeah, we got rid of that.

But now there's grant money, and it's coming from probably our surplus.

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Before we went to the break, we were talking about ballot drop boxes.

Republican Scott Krug was on WISN's upfront yesterday talking about, and this is a quote from Representative Krug, because of the makeup for the Supreme Court, we know Dropbox isn't going

anywhere.

Yeah, that

one hit me pretty hard in the face too.

I felt like that was his way of saying, if the makeup of the state Supreme Court were different, this wouldn't be a problem.

In fact, if the makeup of the Supreme Court were any different,

We wouldn't even be talking about this bill either because they would have.

The voting, the voting they want, the way they want, which by the way, Jane, I don't know the way they want.

They want in-person

day of

voting only.

But do they?

Because Brian Schimming spent the better part of a year getting people to bank their votes with the understanding that we need to embrace early voting, embrace alternate ways and legal ways of voting that are protected and not new.

I think this is the thing, Jane, for me that if you hear me talking about this story, you should be

excited.

All right, cool.

Scott Krug, a Republican, is putting forth a way to help expedite our election process.

That's great.

But unfortunately, it comes with caveats and all these little sprinkling in of words that say things like, well, because we don't know what's going on.

No, our elections are safe.

We know this.

There's no proof of widespread fraud.

There's no proof of like, medium fraud.

There are people who get arrested for, for illegal voting and they get thrown in jail or they get fined.

But

Pass a law that helps central count to their job Keep these ballot boxes where they are because they are illegal.

They are protected and they are safe.

I'm talking to you Doug Denny and Wausau Stop science trying to sew not fear, but that basic, you know

distrust, which grows into fear, which grows into, well, I heard, Jane, that they were taking those ballots and they were throwing them in the Mississippi River because they made sure that all the Trump ones

were Jettison.

I still would like someone to explain to me how people who are on the same ballot won their election, but Trump lost that election and they want to toss out the results because Trump lost, but they won.

I would really like someone to explain to me how that works.

I would like someone to apply cold hard scientific logic to that idea.

And I'm waiting for the calls, I'm waiting for the texts, I'm waiting for the emails, but they never come because, and let this be another time I have to say, if you have information, send it.

If it's real, verified.

written by a credible news source or a scientist or a group that did the research, send it along.

Jane, would you love to blow something wide open and be like, oh my gosh, we found out blah, blah,

blah?

But it never happens because it doesn't exist.

I gotta take a moment.

Good.

The bill, it does, again, in return for this allowing processing one day early in return for this.

As you mentioned, the bill includes numerous security changes for the Dropboxes,

24 hour video surveillance must be live streamed on a municipalities website.

Ballots also have to be transferred from the drop box to the storage facility under the constant supervision of a law enforcement officer.

We'll see what happens.

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Good morning Alderperson.

How are you?

Good morning?

Thank you so much for inviting me this morning.

Absolutely.

We're delighted to have you.

Tell us, first of all, Alderperson, what is the role of Secretary of State?

What would you bring to that role?

Why is this important?

Well, I would love to try to fill our current Secretary of State, Sarah Godlowski's shoes and be in our Secretary of State.

Although over the years, the Republicans have removed several of the duties of the Secretary of State, including many staff of the Secretary of State's office.

I know after meeting with Sarah Gadluski, there are still a tremendous amount of important duties under the Secretary of State.

And I'd like to continue the work she started.

And I would also like to grow the office.

We have a chance to pick up the majority to hang under the executive branch.

And I believe Democrats want to restore

on many of those duties as well.

What are some of those duties?

What would you like to see be restored to the Secretary of State position?

Well, you know, right now, we know that the Secretary of State does some really important things like maintaining the oaths of office.

Republicans tried to pull some shenanigans around the oaths of office, particularly I'm thinking about Supreme Court Justice Protozejic.

They tried to play games and asking for an oath of office.

We have to make sure there's no

I want to continue to maintain our oaths of office.

I want to continue to maintain our vital records.

The Secretary of State still maintains all the vital records in the state.

So I want to continue those duties absolutely.

And we'll see what the electorate wants.

to see restored into the office, what the Democratic majority will want to see restored.

But there was a time going way back when that we over saw elections.

So we'll see what the electorate says to me on the campaign trail and what they'd like to see.

I would think in this day and age preserving records is kind of a vital thing when it feels like information is being intentionally disappeared.

Oh, absolutely.

And especially with unfortunately the election denying

and whatnot that the Republicans have unfortunately been playing around with.

We have to make sure we maintain the integrity of the Secretary of State's office and keep it in democratic hands.

You are in the City Council of Milwaukee.

You are running for office.

I imagine you are talking to people all the time, whether it's knocking on doors or going to events.

What are you hearing from the constituency, the voters on what they want to see you bring to the office as well as what do they want to see brought to

Madison as far as passing laws, education, things of that nature, what are you hearing from our voters?

Right now, and I'm just starting the race, as you guys know, I'm a couple of weeks in.

We have just begun Hispanic Heritage Month in the last week, so I find myself going to many events centered around our Latino community.

I've been attending quite a bit of Democratic party events.

And they are excited about the prospect.

My DEMs are excited about the prospect of making sure I help to get out the vote for Democrats up and down the ballot to make sure that I help whoever is our candidate for governor, that I'm committed to helping them.

They know that I'm a team player and that I will help us to get that trifecta that we're hoping for.

The Hispanic Heritage Month events that I find myself going to in this last week, honestly, the pride that it instills

and many Latino-Wisconsinites at the possibility of electing the first statewide Latino to elected office.

I can tell them still a lot of pride.

They hope that I'll continue to be a voice for this growing community that finds themselves, frankly, under attack on particular immigrant families from our federal government right now.

If you're just joining us, we're joined by Milwaukee Alderperson, Jocasta Zamiripa, and she has put her hat in the race for Secretary of State.

I'm glad you brought that up, Alderperson Zamiripa, about because famously a larger proportion of Latinos voted for Donald Trump this time around.

Even with all of the mass deportation now signs that we saw at his rallies leading up to the election, is there a lot of

What surprise do you think at the way the Trump administration has gone about this?

There is another article I saw this morning that said that the number of people that ICE has taken into custody are still not, they're not criminals.

They have not been criminally charged or they have not been convicted of anything yet.

What are you hearing from the Latino community about the way this is being handled?

There is surprise.

There were Latinos, as you noted, that supported Trump.

They believed that he... I think that they believed that he would only deport the bad ones, or the criminal element.

But the truth is that Trump sees us all as the bad ones and the criminal element.

And so he is following through with his campaign promise.

And I think that some Latinos, I hope that they feel... Those that supported him feel...

and understand that regret and that it was the, he was the wrong choice.

And again, it is part of the reason why I want to run for this office.

I'm hoping to galvanize Latino community here in the great state of Wisconsin so that they see if they have the right to vote, they need to vote in every election and that they should be voting for Democrats.

The party that has stood with immigrant families at every turn, I hope that they see that we are the party

that wants to welcome them and weed them into the fabric of the great state of Wisconsin.

Where do you think the messaging went wrong?

Because again, obviously a larger proportion of the Latino population voted for Republicans last year.

And as you said, it seems Democrats are the ones who are actually bringing forth policies that help people on the lower economic scale, but yet there is a disconnect in the messaging.

Well, you know, I think that there unfortunately is blame to go around, you know, the I represent and as you probably know, I served a decade in the state legislature before becoming an older person here in the city of Milwaukee.

I represent a supermajority Latino district and as proud as I am of that fact, it is also the lowest voter turnout district in the state.

It was when I was a very young volunteer for the Democrat Party and I discovered I

lived in the district below voter turnout is the reason I got was the catalyst for me to get in to this work.

It's when I realized that this would be my life's work.

And so my goal has been to increase that Latino voter turnout.

And yet, you know, it's hard to make that pitch to the Democrats when money is so tight and they want to focus on those higher voter turnout areas.

We end up being, you

know, we get skipped over

last on the

list.

Yeah.

Yes.

And so

My hope too, don't walk into this statewide position, is to be able to really implore my state party, my Democratic party and my state party to make this investment.

We have to invest in this community or we are going to lose them.

And I think we're starting to see that, unfortunately, as you noted, Jane.

I think that message of being skipped over or forgotten about is so very true in what you're saying and also can be applied to so many places

around the state, rural areas, farmers, folks who are just small business owners, they feel like they're being talked at by certain politicians, but not spoken with.

And I'm wondering how that fire that you have for your community and making sure they are counted and they are looked at and recognized, how do you plan on bringing that message to those other communities around the state who want to vote?

to say we see you, you are heard, and we want you to be part of the conversation and part of the election and get out and vote.

How do you plan on getting out there and have those conversations?

I'm honestly good by physically getting out there to every corner of the state because that's my concern too.

Yes, I have this tremendous responsibility to the Latino population in this state to be a representative for them.

I was the first Latino woman elected to the

state legislature.

I was the first Latina woman elected to the Common Council in Milwaukee, but I want to represent and I do represent all of my constituents.

So thank you for asking me that.

I know that it starts for me with me getting out there across the great state of Wisconsin so that they understand that I want to represent them.

no matter what part of the state that they reside in.

And I think that I made, I started that effort back when I was a state representative in the assembly, when I would join my colleagues and go across the state, go to La Crosse, Wisconsin, and knock doors for my candidate, for my colleague Steve Doyle, we were able to flip that seat.

I was held for decades under Republican control.

Steve Doyle flipped it, and it became Democrat that year that he and I were freshmen in 2011.

In fact, they called me an honorary lacrosse, and I was up there so much doing doors.

I've done doors in Sparta, Wisconsin, and in areas of the state where maybe I don't look familiar to them, but I know that once they had a chance to get to know me and meet me and talk with me,

to hear my Wisconsin accent.

And I think that I could win them over, but Greg, it starts with me getting across the state and meeting them and meeting them where they're at.

And I hope when I do that, that I'll be able to win them over and make them see that I want to fight for them as hard as anybody here on the near south side of Milwaukee.

And that's what we heard a lot in other folks that we spoke to who were running in 2024.

And

It is about getting out and meeting people where they are, as you said, and not avoiding areas that typically don't vote for you.

That is not a winning strategy either, right?

You have to go into areas where some folks might take a little more convincing.

Absolutely.

As I said, I represent proudly a supermajority Latino district, but also

The lowest voter turnout in the state still, even all these years later, it's something I continue to work on.

But I know I have to reach out beyond, of course, the city of Milwaukee, the new South side of the city of Milwaukee, and make sure that folks see me as a voice for all of them.

Well, and it's about and we we try to as well leading up to the 2024 election trying to encourage people.

It's not sexy midterm elections aren't sexy.

It's not the big ones that all the attention as is directed at.

And yet we still need to create some enthusiasm and create some desire to we have to make voting cool again.

We

talked about that a

lot.

We're trying to make voting cool again.

It's cool.

Everybody who's anybody votes, you guys.

Boy, when you say it that many times, it really sounds cool, Jane.

I know, it sounds really

convinced you on that.

We're going to continue our conversation with Milwaukee Alderperson, Jo Castez-Amiripis.

She is running for Secretary of State in our great state of Wisconsin.

Stay with us.

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You know, Jane, I don't know about you or our wonderful guest, Jocasta Zamaripa or Calvin, but I'm a child of the late 80s, early 90s.

And I would love to bring the gold chain back to my, my style.

I used to rock them very much with my IOU sweatshirt.

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can't win the contest, but I can definitely, it's really inspired me to get back into the gold

chain.

Yeah.

IOU sweatshirt with some Z-Cavarici pants.

Oh my gosh.

Oh

my gosh.

I don't even know

what that is.

We're going to Skitland.

later.

Milwaukee Alderperson, Joe Castez and Maripa is our guest.

She is running for Wisconsin Secretary of State.

We were talking a little bit about getting out and meeting voters before we went to the break.

And we did have a text come in that I wanted to share with you Alderperson.

Jana from Waukesha says, this is why knocking on doors is so powerful.

Face to face conversation, showing effort and showing up at their doors.

Right?

Because it's a lot easier to say, yes, I am here for you.

And you never go to their community.

Absolutely.

That's the one thing I tell aspiring candidates when they ask to meet with me, ask me for advice.

I tell them there's two things that are a lifeblood of any successful campaign.

And that is door canvassing, talking to the voters, get on the doors and knock them, ask them to vote for you and to

Unnecessary evil the fundraising

company.

Yeah, which has got to be horrible.

It's got to be horrible.

I can't I honestly I can't even imagine and I would think that that is one aspect of going into public office that stops a little people is the is the constant having to ask for money

Yeah, it is it is difficult and even even after taking some time off when you don't you when you don't raise for a few months and then you're getting back at it

It is that much you just

have

to, it's like exercising.

You just have to keep doing it consistently because it is hard.

Yeah, it has to be.

In the time that we have left Alderperson, I did want to ask you just briefly about the reckless driving problem in Milwaukee.

And I know that there are a number of things that the common counsel has tried to come up with.

And they're spending a lot of money on bump outs and speed bumps.

Traffic calming measures as they're called.

Traffic calming measures.

But I also feel like there is a portion of the population that just wants to see the book thrown at some of these people who are doing this reckless driving.

Yes, absolutely.

We have invested in our infrastructure in the very measures that you've pointed out, speed humps, speed table bumpouts.

These things were an investment in our infrastructure that hasn't been made ever.

I mean, they're a very new kind of modern

evolution to try to slow down traffic and not just depend on the law enforcement component, just because it's impossible.

We want to try to prevent it from all angles.

And it's not that we don't also want to hold people accountable.

We absolutely do.

But it's just an additional component of addressing the epidemic that is reckless driving.

So absolutely, we believe in a layered approach.

There is a lot of frustration though.

And again, there was another tragedy.

Three people were killed in a police chase and now I'm hearing various discussions about we should stop doing police chases because innocent people end up getting killed.

But at the same time, if we don't do something to step on these reckless drivers, that's never going to stop.

Yeah, that's definitely.

Something that I'm hearing to obviously being here in Milwaukee The the family of the mother and the two sons that was killed.

It's tragic.

They were coming home from a soccer game We do have the perpetrators in custody And I have every desire to see them held to the Absolutely accountable to the fullest extent of the law Because it is just tragic and when I hear

And it's mostly been Chevy, Mayor Johnson, who has been fielding the questions as people ask, do we want to keep doing police chases?

The truth is, is that years and years ago, before Chevy or myself ever got into

elected

leadership at the city, it was a former chief, Chief Flynn, who instituted this policy.

And honestly, I think we're still struggling from that time that he instituted a no chase policy.

I think that it was part of what created this culture.

And now we're still trying to deal with it even today.

You make a really good point.

And I remember exactly what you're talking about.

And that essentially informed people who were stealing cars that they weren't going to chase you.

I didn't know

that.

Oh, yes, there was a there was a because again, innocent people tragically get killed in these police chases.

And that was supposed to hopefully

lesson that, and I think the older person is right, is that that partially led to the mess that we're in now.

We're just about out of time.

If people want to contact your campaign, all the persons are Zamaripa.

How can they do

that?

Yes.

Oh, absolutely.

Thank you.

I have a Gmail account, votejocasta at gmail.com.

I have my website, votejocasta.com.

Please join me in this effort to win statewide office and fight for Wisconsinites across this great state and keep Democrats.

in power and get us into the majority.

We will include all of that information in our show notes.

Milwaukee Alderperson, Joe Castez, Emma Rippa, Rummening for Wisconsin Secretary of State.

Thank you so much for your time.

Really, really appreciate it.

News is coming up next and then Corrine Hendrickson will join us.

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Get away from the news, take a little breath, lighten things up a little bit.

So our question for today's Audio Sorbet, when you're grocery shopping, are you on a mission?

or you are a wanderer.

How do you grocery shop?

How do you grocery?

How do you grocery?

Do you shop on a mission or you wander and wait for inspiration to strike?

That's our audio survey.

You wait for Saint Kroger to bless you with ideas.

And that's what I do.

And I'm still waiting for his to lighten and to come and give me an idea.

Well, they're probably going to get bought up by another company.

So you got to wait, wait, have to wait.

And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do it.

This shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the let me out edition.

It's pretty self-explanatory.

Stay tuned for that.

Right now, we are joined by our friend and frequent guest on our program and a newly announced state Senate candidate.

Kareen Hendrickson is our guest.

Good morning, Kareen.

Thank you so much for joining us.

How are you?

Good morning.

It's always great to be on your show.

And I'm going to answer your last question.

I don't know how I'm going to grocery shop now because I no longer am shopping for eight children.

And my oldest is now in college.

I haven't been there in like a month.

It's super weird.

It's gotta be weird.

It's gotta be really weird.

For people who do not know you, Karine, you are a daycare provider in northern Wisconsin for a long time.

Can you tell us a little bit about your story?

Yeah, so I was actually Southern Wisconsin, Nublaris.

And so a family child care professional for 18 years, I became a strong advocate for kids with disabilities about 13 years ago because over the years, I've had around 70 children enrolled, which again, family child care is smaller.

And a lot of those kids stayed with me from birth until five or six.

But although 70-ish kids, 17 had special needs diagnosis.

Either I helped them get to the process or I helped them get services or I started advocating.

because I had a little girl who she's 12 now and she was here on my last day this summer and she you know really helped me understand that our state does not have the services that are required and taught

me

how to learn the process, how to advocate, how to stand up for these kids and you know ourselves as the teachers.

And five years ago started Wisconsin Early Childhood Action needed to like really make a statewide grassroots group.

We're up to around 2,000 people, parents, providers.

community members, business owners.

And again, this summer, we tried for the third time to get that budget to include childcare funding.

And again, we were blocked.

Did everything we were told to do in any other past administration with sane people, it would have worked, right?

Because we did what we were supposed to do.

We did what has worked in the past, but the goalpost just kept moving.

And so I decided since my business was going to close, because I could no longer justify

sacrificing my own family, my own health, my own everything for the families to be able to continue their career trajectories and take care of their kids.

And I couldn't help price them.

So it worked out.

I was able to get all of them in with the group center in

town.

No kidding.

That's great.

They all wanted

to go.

They all got in,

except for

one.

Wow.

But the one that didn't go.

only needed part time and my substitute is now the nanny.

So everyone is

taken care of that makes me so like happy that I was able to do that like one last thing of giving and caring.

And now I'm going to take it to the next level and I'm running for Senate.

That's fantastic.

It really is.

And I I just applaud your dedication.

I applaud your commitment and and how you've been such an advocate, especially for kids with special needs.

And I didn't realize

that you would actually have to go through and help the parents get these kids the help that they need.

That's just another indictment on how difficult our system is to navigate.

Yeah, it's not set up for success.

It's not up for failure.

It's set up, as Reagan said, I'm the worst words you can hear is I'm from the government.

And I'm here to help you make it true.

Right, yeah.

And

that wasn't true before.

But when you take the funding and you cut it and you disable things and you dismantle things and then they don't work,

then you can say, oh, it doesn't work.

We should privatize it.

And that's exactly why we're here today, where we are as individuals trying to do whatever we can to help, but we don't have enough energy and time.

And it shouldn't be this way.

And it shouldn't be this hard.

And we need people like myself who understand that and who are willing to fight, willing to connect, willing to get out in the community and talk to people about what it is that they need and how I can help.

I think that's interesting too, that I remember that line from when I, even when I was a little kid, cause it was, it was spoken throughout the household of I'm, I'm from the government.

I'm here to help, but it's now just, I'm from, I'm from the government.

I won't even try to help you.

I won't even attempt

to help

you.

And I will, I will vilify you for asking for help.

And I want to go back to something we talked about a couple of months ago, when the budget actually passed, because I, and I'm going to fully admit, Kareen, to you and to all of our listeners, when the budget passed and we were given this, this notion that

Governor Evers is signing at 1.30 in the morning and State Senator Dianne Hasselbein walked in and said, we need to get something done.

There was a good feeling there.

Unfortunately, we found out like a day later that a lot of people were unhappy, including yourself, because some people could walk away saying, well, Karine, you've got a lot of money.

Why aren't you just happy about that?

That's something.

But tell us why that wasn't enough.

So yeah, something is why we're here where we are today.

We celebrate crumbs and it needs to stop.

The something that we got was 11 months of 20 some percent less payment per month ends in June.

We're calling it a plank and a pond, not a bridge because it's a bridge to nowhere.

There's nothing on the other side.

And the exchange, the compromise for us to get this funding for childcare was that 16 and 17 year olds are now allowed to be an assistant teacher in a classroom with toddlers because yes, work release and apprenticeships exist.

It's not just after school, before school and seven toddlers.

to one adult.

So in some of those classrooms, you're looking at an 18 year old, a 16 year old and 14 toddlers.

That is never okay.

We

have fought for years and put ourselves in front of these kids and our financial well being to make sure that they are in good, high quality, safe environments.

This does the exact opposite.

And again, I understand and can

Like accept that this was probably the best they could do for funding.

I cannot accept that you're going to pretend it was a good thing because it wasn't.

And so few people trust their elected representatives because they see the press release

that

says this will reduce out of pocket costs for parents.

And then all of a sudden now their childcare providers like I'm closing, I'm raising my rates 50 bucks a week.

And they're like, well, you just got all this money.

We're like, no, we got 110 out of 480 million.

The 330 million was out of a billion dollar.

Right.

Right.

So, you know, again, I don't understand why it couldn't just be truthful.

Brooklyn introduced me yesterday and it was amazing.

I was, did not know she was going to do that.

And so she said, I really want people to understand that Korean has integrity and that she will fight and right is right, wrong is wrong.

And I just felt lost.

I'm going to lose it again because it was, you know, it is true because that's the way I try to live my life.

And for somebody else to see that and appreciate that and like verbalize that to other people was just amazing.

If you're just joining us, Karine Hendrickson is our guest.

She's a former daycare provider in Nuclearis and had to close her long-standing daycare business last year and now has decided to run for state senate up against Howard Markline.

Karine, I want to go back to something that you had mentioned to us a couple of months ago when you were on the show.

And you had an opportunity to be face-to-face with one of our lawmakers who had an interesting response.

on how to solve our child care crisis.

I remember when you told me that I had to wait 20 minutes to pick my jaw up off of the table.

If you want to see it, go to Instagram.

The

video is one of the most popular ones.

It's famous now.

It's still going.

But can you share what happened in that particular instance for people who may have missed it the first time?

Yep.

So Senator Ron Johnson, he's not the only one.

There were some state senators here that had said that to some other childcare providers, the same type of message.

They're no longer in power.

But basically, weird.

But basically, I went in there with a bunch of other small business owners and we were talking about ways that the government could do better supporting.

Our workers are, you know, and then myself also as a child care provider, making sure that my business is stable and is able to be accessible to parents.

And he said an elegant solution was for moms like me to stay home.

And the implication was it was for free, as I said, for free.

And he did not respond and try changing the subject.

To me, when you don't have a reason to respond, that's exactly I'm right.

And that has spawned some of the most amazing responses in the comments, which by the way, Karine, there has been many times where I've wanted to just text you be like, Hey.

Leave them, just don't bother with them.

They're never gonna believe you.

They're never going to, because a lot of people thought, well, he didn't say for free, so he didn't mean for free.

It's like, okay, that's right, we're all dumb now.

But yeah, I mean, that video, like the looks on our faces, I think my head was in my hands.

Because honestly, it's just so embarrassing that now one of the most prominent senators in the U.S.

Congress.

And one of the wealthiest.

One of the wealthiest is saying something like that as it is just a simple fix.

All of that being said, all the things we're talking about now has led you to make the announcement.

Cause to me, when they said, Oh, Korean's running, of course she's running.

Because once you had to announce that you had to close last month, to me, that just like that, I can only imagine lit a bigger fire for you and that you have to, it's time to do something.

And you made the announcement.

I saw the picture.

There were gentlemen with giant Ricola horn blowers from across the mountains there.

Tell us.

what you've been like, has this been stewing for you since before the closure or once the closure happened, you said, all right, time to keep going because I don't see you resting for long amounts of time.

Yeah, so I have been thinking about it for a while.

As you know, I somebody who as an advocate, I always felt I could do more from the outside, right?

Push from the outside, build momentum, build community,

be an

expert in my one area, right?

But

as a roadblock after a roadblock kept happening, it was like, okay, now we need to do what New Mexico did to get their constitutional amendment passed.

We need to replace the people who are in our way.

And so Brooke and I started talking last spring already about, you know, if this budget doesn't go through, what's next?

And she's like, you should run.

And I love the fact that everybody's like, of course you're running.

And I was like, I'm not running.

So I think I'm the most surprised of anyone about this.

But I'm also one that once I make a decision, I go with it.

So we had kind of talked and laid the groundwork.

If things don't come through and if I decide this is something I want to do, do you have space for my kids?

Because I cannot.

close if I don't have a space for those children.

And so she looked and she said, yes, I do.

And so that's also part of why I announced my closure in the middle of July to make sure that those families had time to find

a

place to find someone.

And then I also, I'm not independently wealthy.

I cannot afford to not work.

And so I had to lay some groundwork to find some other jobs.

And so I'm doing some organizing work.

And I'm also doing the last few years, I've gotten a better presence nationally doing trainings for people to learn

not just advocacy, because there's a lot of them now, but how to read a bill and decide if it's good or not and decide if it actually meets the criteria of what you're looking for.

So like the budget this summer, right?

We were like, no, it's not good.

And here is why.

This is the actual impact.

Many other organizations, big names, jumped on and were like, this is great.

This is great.

Sure.

No,

it's not.

Yeah.

And so the trainings that I've been starting to put together are these trainings about the impact of a bill.

I'm actually getting my master's in early childhood education policy finishing in December.

So yeah, Greg, this last year I was doing all of that and taking classes for my master's.

You know, I was just saying this,

but I was just saying that about Kareem to Jane earlier.

Kareem's one of the laziest

do nothing people I've ever

met.

She's like, she's like, you know what?

I couldn't do that, but I'd rather watch them Ted Lasso for the 18th time.

I'm kidding.

I'm talking about me

right

now.

That's us.

Yes.

And Tony on the.

live stream says I am so happy Kareem didn't just walk away after the last budget and decided to get more involved.

We need a state of people like Kareem who lean in and solve problems.

You've got that right Tony.

We're going to continue our conversation with Kareem Hendrickson on the other side.

Stay with us.

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Welcome back to Matt Nair on air.

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We are delighted to be joined by our guest Corrine Hendrickson, former daycare owner for many, many years now, a state senate candidate

And you can check it out at coreen417.com.

We will include all of her stuff, all the contact information in our show notes at civicmedia.us.

And something, Corrine, you shared in the chat on the break here, you said, so back to not resting.

You closed your business on Friday, October 29th and filed on Tuesday, September 2nd, because the first with a holiday, you would have done it on the first because that's you.

And you have more energy than you did since you don't have 50 hours of working with kids behind you.

So you have the energy to run.

The question I have for you is, Karine, we know you as the childcare expert on the show.

We have you talking about this issue at great lengths and great detail, but on that campaign trail, there are going to be other things you need to talk about, answer questions, and compose your platform for people to vote for you.

What are you going to be talking about besides childcare to really get at the conversation of what the voters are looking for in your district?

Yep, so yes, both yesterday at my launch party at Toffleurs with the Jimmy's that was fun.

We had music and Wednesday and Elkhorn's at both.

They're called Elkhorn's.

Thank you.

So both of those days, I really talked about affordability.

We really need to stop pricing people out of their homes.

And the core foundational reason for that is that our co-chair of the Joint Finance Committee, Senator Mark Klein, who is in a person I'm going to be running against, he controls the state budget.

That state budget lack of investment and cuts to the local, you know, your fire.

your municipalities, your school districts, all of those things and deciding not to invest in child care increases your property taxes.

Because what happens is whatever the state doesn't fill in, you still need those services in your smaller communities.

Your property taxes have to go up.

Well, when you're going from, you know, 6 million people that are paying a little bit in down to your local small communities like Nuglaris is 2,000 people and we're having to fill in that gap.

for what?

It doesn't make sense.

And the reason we're filling in the gap is because the tax cuts for the rich.

So while we're, that's by design too, because instead of us fighting back and pushing back on the government for refusing to invest, we're too busy fighting each other over the same scraps and getting angry and the dehumanization and all of that language that's happening and needs to stop.

We're all humans.

We all want the same things.

As I've been talking to people, that's what I keep hearing.

Affordability, affordability, affordability.

And minimum wage, 750.

Back to women should stay home with the kids.

How's that happening with the husband making eight bucks an hour?

And yes, you know, actually know who makes minimum wage in this state.

Childcare providers.

Yep.

So people do make minimum wage.

It's not, you know, anything to be ashamed about.

It's a shame that that's what we are earning.

It's not that we should be ashamed of the fact we only earn that much.

And that's part of the narrative change that I'm trying to do.

And that's the work I've been doing for the last five, six years when talking to people.

In my launch party yesterday, it was open to the public.

So people were still coming in, like wanting a meal or whatever and listening to the music.

And they all of a sudden find themselves in this middle of this campaign.

Well,

I expected more people to just walk out, right?

Because it's like, ooh, but they're like, this is fun.

Who are you?

And so after I talked and I said, hey, Generation X, you know, all those movies that we watched as kids where we stand up to the bully, now's our time.

Let's do this.

Like, let's get together.

And so this group of people at a table, I have no idea who they were.

From Minnesota, I find out donated to me.

They came up to me and they're like, I heard what you said.

I love what you said.

Can we donate to you out of state?

And I was like, absolutely.

And they're like, we really loved it.

We looked you up.

My wife was a child care professional.

And you have great things to say.

Keep doing it.

Keep fighting.

We need more people like you.

And so that, to me, was like, these people had no idea who I was.

And that resonated.

First person I talked to after I got off the stage the first time is like, are you a Democrat?

liberal or a centrist or a right-winger.

What are you?

Hi, I'm Karine because he's like, you're purple.

And I go, I did that by design because my sign will stick out because there's a primary.

Also, because you see red or blue, you assume you see purple and you go, huh, and you look me up and then you get to know me.

And so my whole campaign is about getting to know people, having people do house parties because the rural, especially it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Absolutely.

And then.

what I know and who I am and if they like me.

But I have to get in that door.

So I'm asking people even out of district, who do you know that lives in Grant, Iowa, Lafayette, Crawford, Green Counties and the rainbow over Green County of Dane County from Mount Hurrup down to Brooklyn and get them connected to me, introduce them to me.

And then we can I can talk, we're gonna have coffee shop stops.

I already have an event down in Plattville at the Black Smock and the Speakeasy 5050 plan for October.

And in October, I'll get you the dates.

And then I've got one of new rows, a witches night in October, because the witches nights are traditionally about women's rights and, you know, having conversations.

So we're going to do a witches night there.

So I've had some really great fun things planned.

I also don't want it to be a paywall.

So many people that were there yesterday have never donated to a political candidate.

They have never gone to a political event because you have to pay for entry.

And I don't want there to be a paywall.

I am going to need a lot of funding.

I'm not going to lie.

That's the part I heard you talking about before.