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Wanted to start off with this, though.
I want to surprise Republicans.
This from WISN set to propose sweeping changes to ballot drop boxes ahead of the midterms.
I didn't.
OK.
OK.
Few things, Jane.
Sure.
First of all, wasn't it just last year where they had suddenly and out of nowhere embraced the change of other forms of voting that is not on.
the day in person, like drop boxes, mail in, all that stuff.
You know what comes to mind?
Bank your vote.
Yes.
I seem to remember bank your vote.
Bank
your vote.
And Brian Shinning, the head of the Wisconsin Republican Party, was very big on taking advantage, voting absentee, voting early, using drop boxes.
The experts agree that drop boxes worked in the Republicans favor last election because there are a lot of folks out there who need.
They need more options.
They need to be able to vote early.
They need to be able to drop the drop it off in a drop box.
Like this is just helping keep our democratic processes in place.
Although in this past week or two, I can see how democratic processes really just get in the way of power and and you know, not wanting to leave your office.
But this just doesn't also.
The other question I have, Jane, didn't the Wisconsin Supreme Court say this year that dropboxes are fine talking to you, Doug Denny in Wausau?
Yeah, I believe they did.
Yeah, I believe the Wisconsin Supreme Court did decide that there was nothing evil about dropboxes because there's nothing evil about dropboxes.
So wouldn't we qualify this then?
And this I'm using technical parlances and election.
in the election industry.
Wouldn't this be classified as beating a dead horse?
One could say that.
Cool.
Just wanted to know.
Great use of our
tax dollars, folks.
Wisconsin Republicans set to propose sweeping changes to how ballot drop boxes are used and monitors.
Monitored, rather, in legislation they will introduce next week.
Assembly Assistant Majority Leader, Republican Scott Kluge.
says he will detail this coming Sunday on WISN's Up Front.
Great.
The bill will also allow election officials to start processing absentee ballots the day before election day.
We've talked about this repeatedly.
This measure has failed over and over and over again and it has bipartisan support.
Yes, and it fails.
because it allows Republicans to complain about Madison, but more specifically Milwaukee, because ballot dumps, because, you know, in a town with more than, you know, 50,000 people.
And in the case of Milwaukee, 550 plus thousand people, it takes a little bit longer.
It does.
And will it, will this portion pass?
I don't know what I've been hearing a lot in.
I reported not reported.
Let me let me I recited I the stories we talked about with regard to things coming out of the GOP in Wisconsin.
They love to tell us this is what we're going to do and then it's always followed with few details are known.
So Clue is not giving us anything right now other than this and he'll tell us more on Sunday and we can follow up on Monday about this because I want to know so you want to limit dropbox usage but then expand the ability to count ballots I
When I say I'm not being snarky, I don't understand the logic of it all, but make it make sense.
Scott Krug on up front.
Scott Krug
told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel the bills aimed at codifying new election practices will be released next week, including the measure giving poll workers more time.
to process mail and ballots, again, which we have tried to get passed over and over and over and over again.
But it's a really handy thing for one side when the election isn't going their way to then be able to say, oh, but they dropped off all these ballots in the middle of the night.
No one knows where they came from.
They just came from the sky.
It makes you look kind of crazy.
And, you know, at this point, we're at a place where no one really cares when they.
Act crazy.
We just sort of our shoulders We shrug our shoulders and we move on because we have lives and that's kind of the dangerous part But we do we have lives even even us who spend our time in the news There are other things we have to talk about and look at whereas other folks who have like Jobs kids other responsibilities.
They they don't even they don't pay attention because they it's not on their radar so and my point being is that last year Brian shimming and
many of the GOP members nationwide and state said, bank your vote, vote early, bank your vote.
And then Donald Trump was still saying absentee balding, anything that's not traditional on the day in person is corrupt.
And then finally he stopped saying it.
And it worked for them.
It works for everyone.
Period.
And now we are eight, nine, almost 10 months.
Yeah, we're nine months into the year and we're back at this.
The measures will include a ban on fixing errors on ballots called ballot curing, which has been happening for a long time.
We'll also codify rules governing the use of ballot drop boxes.
Another measure will change how many hours clerks have to be available for early voting based on population size.
Smaller the population, the shorter the voting time period.
According to Krug, if there's a community that has less than 100 registered voters,
They only have to do five hours in person during the two weeks before Election Day instead of 20 hours.
One other measure which I do agree with would include grants to boost security measures for poll workers.
Yeah, let's protect these people.
Let's also bolster just staff of these these.
polling places too.
So they continue and to work smoothly.
I mean, I don't know if it would still be happening now because Mark Zuckerberg is in his villains era, but he was providing grants to municipalities all over the state, all over the country.
Oh,
the infamous Zucker
Bucks.
Yeah.
And those went away because, you know, the Republicans love democracy.
So now we have to find it in other ways.
And okay, we're going to get, safety is important.
I'm not against safety.
I love safety, especially for poll workers.
We need to take care of them and we need to thank them.
But we also need to
give support in the way of funding to staff, to locations, to all the things they need just to make it easier for them, which makes it easier for us.
A spokesperson for Governor Evers says the Evers wants to sign into law a bill that allows poll workers to process ballots ahead of election day, thank you, but will not support measures undermining and sowing distrust in existing election workers and practices.
Not a surprise Senate Majority Leader Devin Lemahue did not immediately respond to questions about the chances of the new bill becoming law.
Oh, yes, of course, because he's the sticker.
He's the sticking
a lot of times that he's the guy who's either not he's he's the gentleman who doesn't even bring these votes to to up for a vote or I'm sorry He doesn't bring these bills up for a vote and in a couple of instances.
He has said out loud.
That's not my job.
It's like it's almost
All of your jobs, sir.
Pretty much.
So on the live stream, a young person named this chick loves the squad says many people in Wisconsin work away from home.
You need to vote at your town hall by mail was the only way to vote for me.
No way I was driving home to vote to go back to work.
Yeah, exactly.
And I
just
think for elderly people.
I mean, people with special needs, all kinds of folks take advantage of drop boxes and voting by mail.
This is
just a convenient alternative for everyone, not to mention, you know, the way that the way they want.
I mean, I'm going a little bit outside of the GOP of Wisconsin, but like the attitude now is just that.
You know, you will vote on the day in person.
That's it.
Well, guess what?
All your military don't get to vote.
All those people who work out of the country don't get to vote.
All those kids who are voting at home, even though they're out at school, don't get to vote.
And that's exactly what you want.
This is voter suppression and voter intimidation.
So I'll be interested to see what he has to say on upfront this Sunday, because, you know, I'm all about bolstering security and I'm all about opening them absentee ballots early to vote, to count those votes.
But this whole dropbox thing gives me the ick.
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With the time we have left before the bottom of the hour, Superintendent of Schools Jill Underly calls the Trump administration the biggest schoolyard bully that Wisconsin schools are facing.
Yeah.
State Superintendent Jill Underly calling a Trump administration a big schoolyard bully.
Her address yesterday, her first during her second term in office.
Dr. Underly says public education in Wisconsin isn't just a system.
It's a living story written daily by the people who believe in its promise.
And as we've learned, it seems like most of us love our public schools if it's our public school.
Yes.
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much.
No, and I would say that Dr. Underly is correct in her...
Not assumption, but her description as Donald Trump is the biggest school yard bully.
I mean, he put Linda McMahon in charge of the department of education, but I would also say don't, don't, uh, don't sleep on Robin Voss and his cohorts.
They've done quite a bit to slowly choke the life out of public school.
And
it's very intentional.
Yes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's almost with, with, uh, there is a level of.
pride they take glee because they think whenever they give them money, that's enough.
And really it's never enough.
And looking back, her request for $4 billion, while seems crazy expensive, when you think about how long it's been underfunded $4 billion for then and now would probably do the trick and it will never happen.
So thank you for that, Dr. Jill Underly.
This is good for speaking out.
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How are you?
Fine, man.
How are you?
We are great.
So can you be a little more specific on what is Wisconsin's East Coast?
It's everything that's on it's on that's along the shoreline
everything.
That's a very large piece of property you have Bob
Well, I covered it I started working in fundraising in 1977 I'm originally from a place called Sturgeon Bay.
Yeah And in the fast foods industry I worked in Milwaukee Port Washington in Kenosha.
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You're doing the stretch.
I like the way you do that, Bob.
That's how I feel.
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I lived in Milwaukee, but I've lived in southeastern Wisconsin and all these counties.
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I like your style.
Thank you for calling to clarify, Bob.
We were just really curious about that.
He runs from Sturgeon Bay down to the state line.
It's like, what's Wisconsin's East Coast?
the coast that's on the east.
I feel like Bob, you were very nice in telling me.
I feel like I've said everything I need to say.
We appreciate that.
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you,
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It's Friday.
It's time for a little re-combobulation from Civic Media's political editor.
And it's a movement now in the governor's race, Stan.
A couple more.
hats in the ring.
It's been a little bit of a busy week here with some of the announcements that we've got going on in the governor's race.
Not just the governor's race, a few other announcements this week, and we can get into that too.
There's 2026 outlook is heating up a little bit, but two candidates
Both from Madison each announced that they would be running for governor this week.
So on Monday, Calderoy, state senator announced that she would be running for governor.
And then I believe it was Wednesday that state representative Francesca Hong announced that she would be running for governor.
So last week we had David Crawley announced his candidacy.
Mayor Cavalier Johnson got behind it.
Last week was Milwaukee week.
And this week is
Madison week.
know, we're making our way around the state with some of these announcements here.
Um, but, um, yeah, what, what do you guys think of, you know, some of the house, some of the, I guess announcement videos about how some of these landed?
I guess let's, let's start with Kelda Roy's.
I
mean, I, I, I, everyone I've talked about Kelda is excited to see what she has to offer.
Cause I think the thing that I think, well, I, I honestly think that Kelda Roy's Francesca Hong and Sarah.
Rodriguez all have a similar quality of good energy.
Kelda doesn't hold back night of those Francesca Hong.
So there, I think there was a lot of excitement for, from to see both of these individuals jump in because now it feels like there's going to be a discussion.
And it feels like there's going to be ideas.
And, and, and everybody I know who, I mean, everybody I know who loves Francesca Hong is really excited.
But when it comes to Kelda, I think that, you know, she has a little bit more work to do as far as getting her name out there.
But I think that I was, I'm happy she's, they're both in it.
I was unsure with Francesca just because I feel like sometimes her message could, I don't want to see people trying to label her as like some.
Socialist Kami and all of her but I think that's what's gonna happen.
Absolutely.
I mean she's part of the Democratic Socialist Caucus So it's not like she's running from that either like it's it's a voluntary choice that she made to be part of that caucus but I think you know
Calvin I'd like your take on this because in talking to younger Democrats and younger leaning Democrats I think they get tired of What they see are the regular old run of the
in the middle of the road, let's all get along, kind of Democrats, and Francesca is different.
What do you think about the energy that she brings, Calvin?
I had this discussion with Greg off the air yesterday afternoon, and I'm not sure how I feel about the primary going forward.
I'd like all of the candidates, well, I'll save my thoughts for the fifth member of the field for...
Another day necessary.
Oh, yeah But yeah, I think it's torn between Do you vote for someone that you like and are confident?
They can win an election or do you vote for someone that you like and think is more The direction you'd like to see the party move and I think that's kind of the dichotomy of kelba Royce and Francesca Hong for me is
I think Calderoy has a better chance of winning the general election, but I think Francesco Hong's progressive policies have a potential to speak more to the younger people.
Yeah, and I think there is, right, Calvin, there's this, I forget who said the quote, but it's just like this quote about primaries and elections, and it's just like, in a primary, vote your heart, and in the general, vote your head.
And like, vote who, you know, which candidate speaks to you most in a primary, but once you're in the general election, like it doesn't necessarily have to be that, it's just about, you know, especially in the two-party system that we have, it's just like, you're making a different type of calculation with that.
But yeah, I think that's interesting, and I do wonder if there's, you know,
if there's a certain lane for a progressive candidate that had not yet been claimed and that it can be claimed now by a representative Hong.
But I do think, you know, and I wrote about this in a piece a few weeks ago and I had, you know, kind of like the top contenders I had in the group and in Keldoroy's I had in that kind of top four potential contenders for governor.
you know, of that Josh Call has not yet announced.
So we'll see what exactly he has in store for his plans for 2026.
Attorney General Josh Call.
But I think, you know, I think Francesca Hong would start outside of that group, outside of the group of top contenders.
But one of the things about, you know, knowing Francesca Hong for a few years now is
No one's going to outwork her on any of this.
And, you know, she just announced yesterday as she was, you know, at the, what, the second day of her campaign that she's going to be going on this like statewide tour.
And she had like a dozen different places that she's going to be over the next two weeks going to and speaking to people and rallying support in her state tour.
And I think the fact that she is going to be coming out of the gate and working super hard, that's going to make everybody else in the primary kind of need.
to up their game.
Work that much harder.
Even if, even again, I consider myself a political realist in a lot of ways.
I don't think she has the, you know, best chance of winning this race.
I'm not ruling it out, but I don't think she is one of the top, you know, most likely to win this race.
But I think her entry to it is going to make everybody work that much harder.
And I think that is definitely a good thing.
Tony on the live stream says, if only we had ranked choice voting.
You could vote your values and then everyone wouldn't have to be a pundit.
Yeah.
There's that too.
There
is.
Yep.
But we are
not
there yet.
We are
not.
And I think when it comes to what's interesting to me about Kelda and Fran, and saying that I want to tack on a question for you, Dan, regarding David Crowley,
is
that...
I feel like even though Fran has like, she definitely has those progressive democratic socialist values that she is, she is standing up for and she will not back down on.
And that's one of the things I love about her.
Kelda too, isn't like to me some centrist character.
I mean, when she came on the show after the budget,
We were kind of expecting a few days of you, Ra Ra, we did it.
And Kelda came on like, this is, I know this is bad.
And
both of us were like, Oh, is it bad?
I'm so sorry.
Cause, cause Tony Evers had proposed this budget being an end, and Diane Heselbein.
Like it was, it was good to see the Democrats walk in and take some control, but at the end of the day, there were Democrats, including Francesca Hong and Kelda Roy's who were not at please.
So I do feel like where it for.
Going back to what Kelvin says, if you're looking between those two, I feel like it is a good combination of your head and your heart.
You can vote for one or the other and feel represented and or feel like you're going to be spoken for by one of those two.
But I feel like the announcement from Kelda and from
Francesca have kind of muted David Crowley's announcement.
He
came out and it was, it happened and we knew it was going to happen because he said early he was going to announce and then he finally announced and I've seen things, but now we are focusing our attention on the two of them rather
than
David Crowley.
And he's sort of just, I mean, that's not a bad thing.
He's going to do great.
He's a great campaigner, but I feel like he kind of lost some of the thunder because you had two candidates in very close amount of time come out and announced they're running and
with Francesca, it was sort of like, yeah, but she did it and with a really great video
too.
Yeah, the video is good.
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into the gubernatorial race here in Wisconsin.
Talking about David Crowley, I certainly think he might have a little bit better name recognition.
He is Milwaukee County executive.
He's had that role now for several years.
But I also think he's an almost a tougher spot because he has to come forward and talk about all the wonderful things he's done for Milwaukee County.
I would think that's going to be challenging.
Yeah, I think that, you know, the
Milwaukee candidates have a certain level of baggage to them fair or unfair.
I think mostly unfair And but I and I think Crowley in the five years that he has been at the helm in Milwaukee County I think he's done a very good job like he was able to get the you know shared revenue thing and sales tax fix over the finish line They've been able to they have so many just like smart under the radar wins, but I just don't know how those like
How
to highlight
those?
How to highlight some of those types of things in a statewide race.
And I also wonder if like, what is his name recognition outside of Southeastern Wisconsin too?
Because I think there is like this quality of he's well known here where we are in Southeastern Wisconsin right now.
I don't know how well known he is in the
rest of the state.
Well, and one of the recent things I heard, and I can't remember where I heard this interview with him, but it's, how do we address the needs of our, you know, it's like he has,
He asks all these right questions.
I'm not hearing the answers
for those questions.
And as a candidate, you are there to provide the solutions for these things.
So I don't know that coming out and ask, you know, coming out with a lot of open-ended questions is necessarily the best campaign tactic.
It's like, yeah, these are all valid concerns that people want to address.
Now, what are you going to do about
it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You've got to be specific.
And I think, you know, Crawley is kind of more of a, like governed by consensus type of, type of leader as well.
He's not just like everybody get here and listen to me type of person.
He's, he surrounds himself with really smart people.
And
he's kind of like governed by consensus there.
And, you know, he's been able to have a really good.
relationship with the Milwaukee County Board that has not always been the case.
Which is kind of astonishing actually.
And so I think he is not somebody who's going to just get out there and be like, Hey, my way or the highway, I'm going to ruffle everybody's feathers.
He takes a little bit of a different kind of approach.
And you know, it's going to be interesting to see how that translates in a campaign sense, because it's not typically what you see in a campaign.
Well, and I think of all of the candidates thus far, and I don't mean to disrespect Mr. Strand.
But I'm gonna you know, we got these these people who have been in public office David Crowley is the one with the most experience of running a thing like you have Exactly and on top of that too and I've said this before and I'm gonna keep saying I think one of his biggest strengths is that man had to convince the county of Milwaukee and now granny You can say Chris Ably was behind him and that does mean a lot, but
People's reservations, whether it's racism or his location, whatever it was, he convinced the people of Milwaukee County that he was the best choice for their executive.
And I think that on top of the fact that he has executive experience goes a long way for him.
And he is, I think of all of them personally, of the ones that I have met, he's the best at campaigning and governing.
Some people are blessed with one and not the other.
And
he
is blessed
with both.
He can walk into a room and start the conversation.
but then as far as like talking about the winds, I think what you do is you get to the granular level and say, here are the things we need to work on.
What is concerning you?
Great.
I have the answer for that.
I have an answer.
Let's
talk about it.
And that's what we need.
Yeah, that's what we need.
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And before the break, we were talking about the gubernatorial race in Wisconsin.
So we talked a lot about all the Democrats that are running.
And now we have an announcement of a pending announcement.
We
have an announcement about an announcement.
It's like a turducken of announcements and press releases and all of that.
Yeah.
So the Wisconsin College Republicans yesterday on their Twitter account put out a flyer that said announcement.
Congressman Tom Tiffany is holding a very special event in Wausau on September 24th.
Everyone is welcome.
This looks like a good editorial announcement.
Pretty much.
This looks like, I mean, he's been acting like he's running for governor for the past couple of months here.
He was all over the place at Wisconsin State Fair.
State Fair, I was going to say.
He's been praising his profile.
He's been talking about, in conservative media, he's been talking more about state related issues on social media.
It has seemed like he's been running for the last couple of months, maybe next week is when he finally makes it official.
I think he had hinted at the fact that he was wanting to announce a run before the end of, or make some.
make his decision before the end of September, it sure seems like his decision is going to be that he's going to run.
I
think that's a pretty fair bet.
I would say this is a Tom Duckin happening in this next week.
Also, I just want to go over the fact that he took a picture of himself holding a fish so he could put it out there because someone said, I believe anyone running for governor should have to take a picture to show us how you can, if you can hold the fish correctly.
And he did.
Thus, giving us another candidate running for an office in Wisconsin where a lake was involved.
Well, that obviously,
you
know, Eric,
how do you say
standard?
You gotta
check those most important box.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You just
need hatchet throwing and he'll be in the top five.
I can see Tom Tiffany trying to sell himself as the next Tommy Thompson.
Kind of a, you know, moderate, not a screamer.
But
can you do that with
Trump's
endorsement?
That's what he needs to.
He needs that
well, but he can get the endorsement without having to take it to the next level Yeah, he is no moderate though by any stretch.
Oh, I'm not saying that he is but but he could he can try and sell himself that way Yeah, well, would you do you think it's more likely
that he would sell himself that way or if he sells himself as hey, I'm the true
conservative here.
I'm a Trump supporter, a MAGA supporter.
I'm going to be your fighter in the state to try and stop Wisconsin from becoming California or Illinois or whatever.
Minnesota was the target lately.
So I think he is more of kind of just like the conservative firebrand type of guy.
I think it would certainly represent a big shift for
Kind of like where the center of power is for Republican politics in Wisconsin because for forever it has been the Wow counties it has been yes, watch out Ozaki and
Washington
counties and I think we've seen so many candidates from there over the years You know even this year with Brad Schimel
And, you know, Scott Walker ran up huge numbers in Waukesha County when he was running.
I think this, if Tom Tiffany were to run and to be the nominee, I think it would really represent a shift in where the center of power is for Republican politics, because I think it would shift to the north.
It would shift to the north woods or just kind of northwestern Wisconsin more broadly.
And, you know, Tiffany would, I think,
really struggle with crossover appeal in some of those wild counties that have been trending more purple in Waukesha and Ozaki in particular, but he might run up bigger numbers in more rural areas in his own, you know, 7th congressional district.
So, you know, there's a trade-off to be considered there for him, too.
We'll find out more next Wednesday.
He's going to be making his announcement in Wausau.
I'm just curious, is there something, is there a public works project that was funded by the Biden administration,
the town
Tiffany can go stand next to and claim credit for while he's in Wausau?
He's done that before.
Yes, he's done it with the Blotnick Bridge.
I just thought maybe
there's
something in Wausau he could try and tag his name on to,
while he's there.
We'll have to see if there are any Biden.
infrastructure,
he'll
have to avoid when he's in Wausau or something like that.
I think I would love to ask the question of Republicans in Wisconsin.
What do you think?
Cause you're the ones who will be deciding who wins this primary.
Do you want to go with this name or do you want to go with someone new?
Because it's going to be a very, I mean, granted, if we don't get a billionaire guy, like a hubby or a Tim Michaels coming into it,
Who are the who are the people that Republicans want to represent them in Wisconsin?
Is it going to be the Tom Tiffany or is it going to be more unknown?
I'd love to hear from Republicans on this.
What is your thoughts?
Are you gonna vote for this guy or who who's catching your fancy?
It's not a deep bench and we
ran a piece on this at the Reconvibulation area earlier this year from a contributor Josh Clemens He talked about how gerrymandering has hurt the Republicans bench Because they have not had the candidates who've actually had to compete
Oh, you mean actually
run?
Yeah, and actually run and compete for voters in tough districts.
They don't have tested candidates who are ready for a statewide run.
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Very excited about it.
I've been part of putting this whole deal together.
It is publishing on Substack, much like the Reconpopulation area, so a little bit of familiarity there.
But, you know, I think I don't know how many people realize how much content
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daily basis.
It's just a tremendous amount of content.
It is the nine hours of original news talk programming that we have statewide.
We have morning shows, we have weekly shows, we have podcasts.
Our news team is growing and really starting to take off under Shaly Pittman's leadership.
And I think this, and so this newsletter, this brand new newsletter that we launched on,
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It's called Civic Media Today.
It is free to sign up for, so you can go to civicmediatoday.substack.com to go find that.
It is as free as the app.
Just going to be the best way for you to connect with all things civic media on any given day so it has Podcasts embedded in there.
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I looked at one of the preview issues before we published.
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And it's really a great clearinghouse for all of the information that civic media puts out.
But there's clips from Pat's show, and there's clips from our show, and Todd's show, and Tom's show, and Maggie's show.
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Um, and then, you know,
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Shaly also does a lot of work monitoring, you know, just kind of what's going on around the state, what the
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So if you want to know like what's going on around Wisconsin and beyond just like the local market that you might be in, like this is a really great way to see some of that too, because like I was looking through yesterday's and it's just like, Oh, they have, you know, issues going on.
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Of course, the big news after the assassination of Charlie Kirk has been the crackdown of the administration on speech it doesn't like.
And Jimmy Kimmel...
is the latest late night host that has been indefinitely suspended.
There was a piece Stephen Colbert, of course, was the first one who got the ax, although he is still broadcasting.
Stephen Colbert had an interesting opening to his show last night after the news of Jimmy Kimmel being suspended.
Calvin, let's play that clip, please.
If you ever seen the movie Beauty and the Beast, this should ring a few bells.
Listen up.
In light of Jimmy Kimmel's suspension, ABC's parent company's World Disney Cooperation has a little message for all the employees.
Shut your...
Trap!
Shut your trap!
We're warning you to cut C-Crap!
A dear leader's skin is thinner than a sheet of plastic wrap.
Mom's the word, have you heard?
Kissing us is what's preferable.
Don't insult our great dictator or he'll hit you with this turd.
Some people rule at ABC.
Don't make fun of Donatee.
And don't point out that his neck is mostly flat.
So don't you make a scene or mention Jeff Epstein.
All your show will be scrapped.
Shut your trap.
Shut
up.
Taking it, sitting down.
Yeah, taking that line down.
Yeah.
This, it's been interesting seeing some of the response from the right.
Sure has.
It really is.
You know, I think it's, it's so interesting too.
Cause we have these moments where it's just like, uh, you know, oh, Jimmy can't be some on the right, some on the right wing Twitter over the last couple of days have been like, Oh, you know, it's not actually because of pressure from the FCC or the Trump administration or anything like that.
It's just that he, you know, his ratings were bad and this,
and he
screwed up in this.
And then here comes Trump with posts or comments and press conferences being like, yeah, we did it.
We're doing the canceling.
We want to do more of the canceling.
And it's just like, yeah, it's pretty obvious what's happening here.
This is not a very difficult connect the dots puzzle that is being presented in front of us.
It's pretty clear what is happening that Donald Trump and his administration don't like what is being said about him.
on TV, on late night TV, I guess in particular, and he's throwing
a little
bit of a fit
about it.
There are also a whole bunch of things going on behind the scenes that have to do with consolidating more of our media into fewer hands.
Yes.
And that is a big part of this as well.
It's not getting nearly as much attention, but that's a big portion of this.
And I found this this morning, a more perfect union noted in 1983, back in 1983, 50 companies controlled 90% of the US media market.
So back in the 80s, there were 50 companies that controlled the majority of the US media market, meaning television stations, radio stations, and newspapers.
That number is now down to five.
Five awful five companies five people are determining what 90% of us are seeing on our TV Again, these are broadcast television stations not cable news stations, which is an entirely different thing But the airwaves that we get for free in our homes the vast majority of what we're seeing now are being controlled by five companies.
That's not good and
it is
And it seems to be, it's heading towards a worse place
too,
with all of these proposed mergers
that are
happening out there.
And like that being, you know, in many ways, the kind of the catalyst for a lot of these, this kowtowing to the Trump administration that we're seeing here with Paramount, with CBS as part of Paramount, I believe, right?
With the
merger that they're
trying to put through the merger that is happening.
the Disney related merger that is like happening at the same time as this.
So like you can't, you know, you can't separate that from what's happening here too.
And they're just trying to get these mergers through so they can continue making more money.
And what's actually the impact on the consumers?
And what's the impact on free speech?
And what is the impact on, you know, just this overall, like,
almost feudalist type of relationship that people are having with Donald Trump and you see like Tim Cook from Apple come out and just like, oh, this one's special
for
you.
Let me give you gold.
Yeah, we're giving you all these things and just like the people coming to Trump and just like, you know, showering him with praise and like all of these things.
And it's just like, oh, we have to come bring fealty to the king in order to go about our business elsewhere.
And it's just...
It's not great.
It's not great.
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Some voices I'm seeing from the right are even, there's a far right.
uh, follow I by person I follow on Twitter, who's like, we don't want this.
We don't want the government coming
in and shutting down speech.
You guys, this is not good.
Well, and then here's the thing with this too.
And,
and I, you know, the assassination of Charlie Kirk was such a dark moment and so, uh, awful.
And, um,
But I think, you know, in the conversations that people have been having about Kirk since his passing, you know, a lot of the people who like Charlie Kirk and like what he stood for talked about his advocacy for free speech.
And now I have my own views about Kirk and they're kind of complicated and weird.
But I think if you, if you're.
appreciation of Kirk was his willingness to go out there and put himself out there and, you know, go to college campuses or go on his podcast or whatever it might be.
And say what he wanted to say.
Why would your reaction to that be to limit any criticism of him?
And I agree.
There has been some things said about him that I think that I find rather unacceptable.
Absolutely.
And I think
But at the same time, it's just like, well, this is the system we have.
This is the system we have for free speech.
It is going to allow for people to say some horrible things.
And I don't think that should be in any kind of impetus for these kind of like McCarthyist witch hunts of just like, let's search out people's social media things and get them fired.
And let's use this as a crackdown on free speech.
If anything, what you appreciated about Charlie Kirk was his advocacy
advocacy for free speech.
What we should be doing is the exact opposite
of what's
happening right now from the federal government in there putting pressure on, you know, obviously what's happening with the with the Kimmel situation is that what's happening with the FCC and with the Trump administration.
You know, Trump is just like out here saying we're going to do more of this kind of stuff.
And I just don't think if you are, if you appreciated what Kirk stood for in terms of free speech.
Shouldn't you also be opposed to what's happening in the wake of this?
Shouldn't you not want his passing to be used for these types of means?
I think that is a piece of this that has gone a little bit unexplored as well.
And I think also, and you make a very good point.
Yes, if you believe that he was doing the right thing by going to campuses and having difficult discussions, you should be championing...
Like you said there are horrible things that are being said I'm against horrible things being said, but I am for your right to say those horrible things exactly that's what that was the deal and I think they are using this as an excuse to Consolidate power in fewer hands to control what we're hearing in the media and that's what's
That's what's behind this.
And again, Chris Murphy, who's a senator, has a long explanation on his Twitter feed about Nextstar, who wanted to buy another TV station company.
They announced this in August, but there's a problem there because that would then put them in control of over half of the TV stations in the country.
Right now, you can't do that.
Brendan Carr, the new head of the FCC, is saying, well, I might not.
We totally, we might find a way to make that work for you if you
do this.
And this is like feudalism type of thing.
That's the bigger
danger.
It is.
You have to show fealty to the king before you
are able to do business.
Before you get your deal.
Before
you get your deal.
For our
fiefdom, you know,
yeah.
I personally feel like it just, for me, he didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk and that's not something we're not talking about.
He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk.
He said something about the GOP using Charlie Kirk.
And it wasn't a joke.
There was no laughs there.
Everything that's being referenced is the portion before the actual construction of the ballroom joke.
He did not disrespect the memory of Charlie Kirk and the folks.
And I said this yesterday and it goes along with what you said, Dan is if you've probably, you've probably, if you like Donald Trump and you love Charlie Kirk, you've probably spent the past five, six, seven years saying about
whining about cancel culture.
People will not be able to say whatever they want when usually they just want to say a slur.
If you see Jimmy Kimmel getting canceled, you should be outraged by this.
If you're not, then you have no basis in your argument and you are a hypocrite and you don't, I don't take you seriously then.
And I'm seeing a lot of people do that.
They're saying, oh, did they lock Jimmy Kimmel?
I'm like, that's not the point.
Censorship doesn't mean jail.
Censorship means censorship.
So stop trying to rework the narrative to fit your
justifications, you don't believe in the system and the First Amendment, then we're done talking.
And it's a difference when it's the actions of the government
that is like leading to this
other than just like public outcry.
Because I think most of the cancel culture quote-unquote type stuff that we've seen over the past, you know, however many years that people have been complaining about, a lot of that is like, it's not the government doing something.
It's just public opinion shifting.
But now the
government
is
doing something and that's different.
That should concern all of us.
This affects all of us.
I'll say this really quick.
Cancel culture isn't a thing it never was.
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Yes when our merch is coming real soon Yes, audio sorbet where we just like to talk about something besides politics for once and You just were part of a book club.
I was
I got to, I moderated an event last night.
How does one moderate, are there a lot of fights at book clubs?
Well, it was a book club event that featured both the author and one of the main subjects of the book.
So it was more of a book talk.
Okay, so, okay.
So like there's this thing called the Milwaukee Record Book Club, my friends at Milwaukee Record.
We love them.
Love Milwaukee Record.
And they, Lion's Tooth is a bookstore in Bayview.
And then once a month they do a music book club event there.
And so this one just happened to be by a Milwaukee author about a Milwaukee band.
Cool.
And is the author is my friend, Sahan.
Sahan, I love Sahan.
He's such a...
amazing person.
So, Sohan and I have known each other for a while.
I actually hired him when I was at a publication back in the early 2010s and he became, we became fast friends and he started writing about music and he wrote this story about this band in Milwaukee called The Creutzon, which who I had never heard of, but they are kind of this legendary underground band.
They went around a long time.
They were
around from 1981 to 1992.
Wow.
And, and they were kind of a big, they were,
quietly this big part of the kind of like underground independent move alternative music movement that led to I think a lot of the grunge and alternative explosion of the early 90s.
And so they started out as this very much like punk
hardcore band.
They had their first album, which was self titled.
They had like, I think it was like 20 songs in like 16 minutes or something like that.
And it's just, they're
just ripping through these songs.
But I think they are in many ways this band that like is the connective tissue between the
punk and hardcore stuff from the early 80s
and the
grunge and alternative stuff of the early 90s.
And it was just very cool to sit with Sahan and hear about his book.
And then Keith Brammer, who was the bassist for Decroitson, was also there for the conversation
as well.
So we got to hear some, you know, kind of stories from the road and stories about putting the book together and kind of revisiting this band that, you know, kind of had this very influential bent.
And Sahan was able to get a bunch of,
big names to interview for the book.
He had Thurston Moore from Sonic Youth, Nico Case, Steve Albini, Butch Vig, like a lot of the, you know, the, what's his name?
I'm blanking on the name.
The guitarist from Soundgarden.
Kim Thayle.
Kim Thayle, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, I'm
nodding like I know.
Yes, yes.
And a lot of these big names in the kind of like alternative grunge indie music world.
And this band, you know, there's this famous quote about the Velvet Underground
where it's
just like the Velvet Underground only sold a thousand.
copies of their first record, but all 1,000 people of them started a band.
That's kind of how I feel about like after reading this book and learning about Decroitson because they were this band that like, they never really had the major breakthrough, but everybody who.
like found them and
discovered
them became huge,
huge fans of theirs.
And I think Soundgarden in particular was like a band.
If you listen to some of these like 80s decroits and albums and then listen to some of the like the 90s Soundgarden, there's like a direct line from the sound there.
And it's just very cool that like Milwaukee.
has this unique place in this history, which so, it was a fun conversation.
Decroitson is a band that I came to know when I worked at the Barber Shop is where I met Sahan as well.
He was a client at the Barber Shop and we would talk about Decroitson and that band.
And one of the things I really enjoy about them is that when you listen to that first album, it's like listening to the first replacements record.
It's very aggressive and then over time, it doesn't soften.
It just changes as they go up and become different songwriters.
trajectory of artistic creativity is wonderful and absolutely correct.
They did not get the flowers they deserved.
I liken them to an American version of the yard birds.
I mean, the yard birds are probably one of the most important bands in rock and roll history that we don't talk about, but they gave us all
of these stars.
All the guys that came out of it,
yeah.
And I would actually put another band in that group, The Promise Ring, when you talk to bands who are like bigger.
Another Milwaukee band.
Scrimo bands or pop punk bands or bands that like,
post-alternative.
The Promise Ring was one of the most influential bands and also from Milwaukee, but also never just never made it huge.
Close.
Got
so close.
Yeah, so that was a fun event.
I would encourage everybody to read this book.
It's, I really like the oral history format of a book because you're just like, you're interviewing all the, it's just like he interviewed like dozens of people for the book and you just kind of like stack the quotes for the interviews and he's, you know, he's kind of like steps in at certain times as the narrator of it and all.
It's a really, really good book.
And it's, there's also like, even if you're not a music fan, like there's this Milwaukee history kind of quality
to it.
These venues that were open in the 80s and they just like,
They talk about opening for the Ramones, and they open for the Ramones, and the Ramones, they had a smoke machine at the time, but the smoke machine wasn't an actual smoke machine.
It
was
a board that had a bunch of cigarettes taped to it or whatever, and they just lit all the cigarettes at the same
time, and that
was
their smoke machine
for the Ramones show.
Oh, that is hilarious.
So there's just a lot of good stuff like that.
Fixing a van in the desert.
It's the work and life of a road band that is behind the scenes of being a road.
It's all glamour men.
It's all chicks and drugs and rock and roll and changing tires.
And sleeping on floors.
Exactly.
What are your book recommendations since we're talking books?
855-752-4842.
We've talked in the past about do people read?
I know there are a lot of people who are readers.
I've heard that people like reading.
It's
very popular.
It is a pleasurable activity.
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Any books that you have read recently that you would recommend?
Jane, you get
to do a little
reading
recently,
right?
I did when we were on vacation and we always get lucky because we stay in a place where people leave books behind.
And I'm always grateful for that because I bring my tablet, but I prefer to read
Actual book books.
Yeah, and then read off my Kindle.
So this is an old book.
I want to say this is from gosh the 1990 It's going back a ways.
It's by Nick Hornby and it's high fidelity Oh, one of my favorites which they turned into a movie with John Q said yeah, which I had never seen The book is one of the funniest things I have read
in my life.
It's so good.
It's one of my favorites.
I have so much affection now for this book because we're away, we're on vacation, I'm sitting around the pool and I am bursting out laughing and people are looking at me around the pool like, let me move my lounge chair away from her.
But it is laugh out loud, funny.
There are just things in there that ring so true.
about relationships.
It's about relationships.
Relationships and music.
And music.
And it is so brilliant.
Even if you've seen the film and then I watched the film when we got back, it's good.
It's not as good as the book.
Yeah.
Read the book.
High Fidelity.
Nick Hornby.
You will, you will laugh.
I hope.
It's great.
It's
so
good.
I
like the movie a
lot.
I like the movie too.
Yeah.
But there are just some things in the book that I, the way he has with words, it's,
it's just.
Brilliant.
Nick Hornby's great.
There's also they also did a remake of the movie as like a TV season a one season
with Zoe Kravitz Was it only supposed to be one season?
I think I think it was only
one
season.
Yeah, so they did the one season a few years ago I enjoyed that too.
Like that was pretty good as far as remakes go I don't always like remakes, but that one was pretty solid
Good
book.
855-752-4842.
We're taking your book club recommendations.
Another one that I read that I didn't think I would enjoy, but it was by Michael Palin of Monty Python fame.
And he is a big Ernest Hemingway fan of all things.
And he kind of followed Ernest Hemingway's journey.
Oh, wow.
Which again, I am not necessarily a big Hemingway fan.
Nuttness bullfighting is not let me read more about bullfighting But again Michael Palin's perspective was just so interesting.
Yeah, and it's an interesting journey
Sometimes the stories like about
the books or movies getting made or whatever
are more
interesting than the actual like the documentary about making apocalypse now is kind of better
than the
movies.
There is a documentary called overnight which is about the guy who created the boondock saints and how one man who was so fought over in Hollywood for this script.
did everything he can to destroy everything he was given with just having the most arrogant attitude and the biggest mouth.
I mean, literally, the cover of the DVD is him having a film camera against his head like he's gonna shoot himself because that's what he did.
He killed his career because he just wouldn't shut up.
I don't like Boondock Saints.
I think it's an overrated movie, but that documentary is amazing because you're like, will someone get him to stop, please?
You are telling, you are, you are literally,
You were burning money in front of us.
It was amazing.
Calvin, you're a book reader.
Yeah, so I actually hadn't read a novel since March until this Sunday.
I just I knocked one out.
I read just finished Annihilation by Jeff VanderMeer.
It has a movie with Natalie Portman that I have.
I've heard it's a good movie, but it doesn't have really anything to do with the book that it's based on.
But the book is really good.
It's I guess.
Don't I don't want to call it horror because it's not really scary, but it's kind of spooky a little oh, I like that it's about a an expedition going into this ecological Ecological zone that has weird things happening in it ecological
zone weird things.
I'm there spooky to
what is it called?
It's called Annihilation.
It's part of the Southern Reach trilogy.
All right.
Thank
you, Kelvin.
And Jenny is going to get the last word on the live stream in Oldie, but a goody kitchen confidential by Anthony Bourdain.
Raw, hilarious, introspective.
His voice is missed.
Sure is.
Anthony Bourdain.
All right.
We are just about out of time.
Richard from Waukesha.
You're going to check in on book recommendations.
Good morning, Richard.
Thanks for joining us.
Hi.
I have something interesting.
It's called...
It's a movie I watched called Spinning Gold, The True Story, Anil Bogart and Casa Blanca Records.
Oh,
okay.
Oh, that sounds
interesting.
I would
watch that.
And what's it called?
Spinning
Gold?
Yeah, and he started the record companies that did Kiss and the Isaac brothers and he competed against Motown.
Excellent.
Appreciate
it,
Richard.
Thank you so much.
All right, book club recommendations.
There you go.
Go to the library this weekend.
Check out some books.
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The headline reads, wild chimpanzees consume the equivalent of two cocktails a day in the form of boozy fruit.
In the forests of Uganda and another place I can't pronounce, chimpanzees crowd into fig and plum trees, feasting on the soft sweet fruit, which is just a little boozy.
Nice a new study shows the daily snacks quietly add up to the equivalent of about two alcoholic drinks for humans a team of scientists Research folks research a team of scientists at University of California Berkeley Tested the fruit chimps that's the chimps are snacking on figs Plum like fruits
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When chimpanzees eat 10 pounds of fruit a day and weigh around 90 pounds, that's about 14 grams of ethanol, about two cocktails for a human.
They don't get drunk, though.
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They've probably been eating this fruit for a while.
their bodies don't have the same sort of reaction to alcohol.
And I mean, as in like, if you drink a lot of alcohol over time, you eventually develop
your liver.
But you develop kind of a tolerance for it.
Exactly, exactly.
Researchers say to actually get drunk, the chimps would have to binge on fruit until they balloon.
Instead, they are exposed to a steady low dose, or like a quiet buzz.
from nature's own fermentation process.
Hey man, times are tough.
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It's not easy in the forest.
And I don't see them trying to drive, so don't
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Live their life.
A professor of integrative biology, Robert Dudley, first floated the drunken monkey hypotheses in 2000, arguing our attraction to alcohol could come from our ancestral fruit-eating habits.
Well, we shouldn't talk about evolution or people might get mad.
So it's like...
He argued that it makes sense that primates would be tuned to alcohol since their diets have long revolved around ripe fruit.
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James Vanderloo is the head at OEC Group Milwaukee, which is a global freight forwarder and a leading company in Trans Pacific trade.
Good morning, James.
Thanks for joining us.
How you doing?
Hi.
Good morning, Jane, Greg and Calvin.
It's great to be with you guys.
Hey, I'm doing okay.
I'm not going to complain.
We're almost going to make it through the hump today.
So
well, that's good.
Yeah, it's Wednesday.
It's hump day.
Let's talk tariffs and global trade and supply chains.
Supply chains we learned a lot about, I want to say, during the COVID shutdown.
And that was the first time that I was made aware of just how complicated it is to get things from point A to point B and all the spots in between.
And now with the tariffs, because there is still a lot of certainty out there, is that accurate?
Yes, and that's sort of the biggest thing still is really the uncertainty.
I try to use this analogy.
It's not 100%, but it kind of makes sense for most people.
Just imagine you have to pay your taxes they're due today.
You know that you probably have to pay more than what you think, but you don't quite know exactly what that is.
And sort of the rules are changing day by day, but you're still expected to be submitting your tax payment to the government.
today so otherwise it's late and they'll come after you and tell you that you're you know you need to have more so it's it's that uncertainty is kind of you know i said i would say kind of been the predominating thing this year that's the issue that most people have i think that if you talk with most companies they'd rather just sort of have know what the game plan is going forward and then just
go by those rules versus just kind of having to reassess, you know, every other week or whenever there's an extension or, you know, do I ship now?
Do I wait?
So those have kind of been the issues that I've been seeing a lot of this year.
But I think that's a really good analogy that you made, James.
Because again, okay, today I know I'm gonna have to pay $500 more in my taxes, so I put that aside.
Well, and then three days later, it's only gonna be $250.
Well, now do I spend that $250 that I have extra, or do I keep it in case in another three days, it goes up to $1,000 I'm gonna owe on my taxes.
You cannot plan, we've talked about this so many times, about how businesses hate uncertainty.
Yeah, absolutely, and that's kind of been the that's you know, that's the issue that we speak to and again There's these businesses are resilient.
They are working very hard to work with companies like ours to figure out Okay, what's the best way I can do?
Can I use these provisions within free trade agreements?
Can I use these things with an agriculture to kind of mitigate a lot of the tariff impact?
And you know, we've had we've had to learn a lot in addition to our customers that being said they've had to focus on these things versus
Focusing on how to grow their business or ordering more things or focusing on selling their products So again, you know regardless of sort of whether you believe in the tariffs or not That's just something we've sort of seen sort of a day-to-day is just what the companies are having to prioritize and what they're needing to like divert their resources to During these tariff negotiations
and it's something for me It felt like you know as I'm not a person who I am a person
affected by the tariffs and as much as I am a consumer, but I don't work directly with them on either export or importing.
And I would just always in my head figure, Oh, well, James and the people in his industry, they know what's going on.
They'll get a sheet every day saying, this is what you do.
This is what you don't do.
But really, when it comes down to where all sort of in it, because I've, because we do this show, people will say to me, well, what's going on with the tariffs?
I'm like, I have no idea because that's just it.
Like one day we hear 50%.
Okay.
We know this country is getting 50%.
Three days later, that's on hold.
So it kind of feels like now we're all in this together, whether you're in the industry or outside of it and we just have to just wait for, to lack of better terms, wait for the whims of the government.
Yeah, and that's kind of the thing is, you know, everyone's like, you know, can you point to a demonstrable effect that the tariffs have had?
And it's kind of tough to say because
In our industry, things take just such a long time.
It
takes 30, 40 days to even transport something.
Before that, you have to put in your order with the supplier overseas, which can take, depending on the product, 30 to 60 days.
So all of these things take a really long time to play out.
I think you're now just starting to really see the beginning effects of how the tariffs have acted in the market.
It's sort of a tale of two cities.
You're gonna see some some numbers coming out of like Los Angeles saying wow We've we've never handled this amount of or this is you know, we're near record numbers in terms of volume The caveat to that is that a the National Retail Federation and a lot of a lot of industry industries are projecting, you know a very slow end of the
end of the year.
They're projecting that basically by December container volumes are going to be near what they were of lows in 2023.
I think we're just starting to see that beginning phase.
A lot of companies decided when there was that first round of pauses, well, I better bring in everything that I need for the
year.
I
don't know what's going to happen
right
after the fact.
You might have some people that held off, but traditionally there's a little bit of a rush at the end of the year for Chinese New Year, Lunar New Year, which is in March.
in 2026.
So typically there's a rush.
We don't really know if we're going to be seeing that rush that there normally is during that time.
I would say that we're really starting to see that effect of where these tariffs are in terms of the ordering practices.
And we'll really kind of need to, unfortunately, wait a little bit longer to see how these tariffs are actually affecting the entire economy as a whole.
If you're just joining us, James Vanderloo is our guest.
He's the head of the OEC group.
Milwaukee, they do a lot of imports, exports, and things like that.
And we're talking about tariffs.
Is there a deadline coming up in November, James?
uh as far as tariffs correct so there's been there's a there's a few deadlines so
there's i know and it's they like you know a few months ago they said hey we've got something planned with china
It's been crickets ever since.
We're kind of still waiting for some direction on that.
You'll hear, I think yesterday, I've heard there was some type of breakthrough with involving TikTok and all of these things.
So again, we've really had to broaden our understandings of what these trade agreements are meant to sort of accomplish.
But yeah, so there's a deadline coming up in November, and those will be sort of the bigger ones.
I think when I came on here and basically told when you first started talking about this, you're starting to see some of these tariff agreements sort of work themselves out in some ways.
Um, and that's, I think that's been sort of the surprising thing that we learned from some of the people that work in Washington is like, you know, how many of these countries have actually been coming to try to get a deal made.
Um, and I think they're just kind of obviously this is taking a lot longer than I think some people may be anticipated.
Um, my, my thought was that this is obviously a very, uh, huge task and therefore it's probably gonna take a lot of time, but, um, we're starting to see, uh, you know, some of these deadlines come in the 10, the, the 10%
it's gonna affect businesses, but it might not affect their ordering behavior.
When you get up to that 20 to 25%, that's when it really starts affecting companies' bottom lines.
And then so of course, you're starting to see these tariff rates fall in that like 15 to 20%.
So it's gonna be hurting people, I think quite a bit, probably near the maximum of what their threshold would be.
And it's, I think these things will slowly kind of trickle in.
you know, the closer we get to November, but of course there could always be another extension or something that we just don't really know.
90 deals in 90 days.
I seem to recall that that was one of the big things that was touted right after the results of the election.
90 deals in 90 days.
Boom, boom, boom.
It's going to get done so fast.
Everybody can't wait.
We're waiting.
Yeah,
we're still waiting.
We're still
waiting.
Like I said, there's been a couple and then the most I would say the most surprising one that we saw was obviously the 50% one that got hit with that hit India.
Due to their purchasing of Russian oil that was one that kind of I think caught people a little bit more off guard than they were looking for because for a while India had sort of been a Sort of an alternative to using China for a lot of the goods which China obviously is the one that's penalized the most right now with the section 301 the section 232 steel and aluminum
tariffs and then the IEPA, which is the sound that most customs brokers make every day when they
see
the new publications coming from the government.
But that stands for the International Emergency and Economic Powers Act of 1977.
So that's where that all comes from.
So all of these things are stacking on top of each other.
There's some cases where a couple of the tariffs will apply.
There's some where all of them were applied and it's just you really have to dig deep deep and they just keep on kind of like broadening the scope of what's included in these
potential powers.
And then we obviously to make to make things even more confusing, talking about your deadline in November, you know, we even have we have a Supreme Court case coming up to determine whether these are even constitutional in the first place or
not.
Well, well, there's something that I want to and please tell me if this is incorrect.
But I found this on the internet, heard of it.
It's
a
website called trade compliance resource hub.com.
And it's basically a tariff tracker.
And you can go country by country and see
which country, what sort.
So reciprocal or additional, you can see it says threatened, implemented, exempt the percentages.
So you can actually kind of, I found this today on the internet.
Go look for it.
But I'll put it, I'll put that website
in
the show notes.
So you can cut, cause that's, that's the ultimately the problem.
James is that.
I don't know how many countries have, uh, uh, tariffs.
I don't know what, what's being threatened versus implemented versus exempt.
So this will give you a nice rundown on what's going on.
As far as I know, if, if James, if you have a better resource, please let me know.
But like that's really what I think one of the most important things is to, is to figure out because as, you know, the president will say 200% on Tuesday and then it'll be like 5%.
We're good.
And
I guess the question I have and you can answer this on the other side after we come back from our snack and water break is just the, you said that everything runs slower because of everything goes on in the industry.
So therefore it's hard to point to people who say, well, tell me how the tariffs are bad to begin with.
How do point to things?
that are tangible and say, here are the things you asked for them.
Here they are.
But also get people to understand that, yeah, we're not going to see everything right away.
It's going to take months and months
for this to show up.
So like pointing to those tangible effects and saying, right there, there's a thing.
Here's the start.
You know, how do we, is it possible to do that still or, or yet, or are we still just, as you said, waiting?
We're going
to continue our conversation with James Vanderloo.
I want to ask you about what your clients say when they hear Treasury Secretary Scott Bassett say that American consumers don't pay tariffs.
I want to hear about the numbers spit takes that you've heard over the phone talking to clients when they hear the head of our Treasury Department say that obvious falsehood because that's kind of what it is.
Just throwing it out there.
Also, we want to talk about there is a new report this morning that came out in Bloomberg about us Home starting our home starts are the lowest since they've been in months and what that's gonna mean as well going forward stay with us We're talking to James Vanderloo head of the OEC group Milwaukee.
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Our guest is the head of the OEC Group in Milwaukee, James Vander Lewis here.
We are talking tariffs.
I just wanted to recap this a little bit from, again, our head of the Treasury Department, our Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, has claimed for months and months and months that tariffs
are not paid by American consumers.
Finally, in August, he was asked about this on MSNBC.
So the tariff is paid in this country by the importer.
Is that right?
After initially saying, well, there could be substitutions.
It could come from Argentina.
It could come from Brazil.
He was asked who writes the check to the treasury, quote,
Well, the check is written to the person who receives it at the dock in the U.S.
So that means, James, if I understand words, the importer, the person who is receiving the goods from overseas, they are the ones who write the check to the government.
That is absolutely correct and I will even I'll even give the you know the devil is do and and say where that Idea comes from where other countries pay tariffs where that idea comes from is this idea that then once once the importer realizes that they have to pay a higher duty They then have to go to their supplier overseas
And have the and try to negotiate and that's happening a lot too.
So again, this idea of what are people spent?
What are the companies spending their time on now?
Well, they're spending their time on having to go back to China, India, all these other places where they've been had these relationships for, you know, certain many cases several years and renegotiate say, hey, we're paying a tens of thousands of dollars more for our products than we had in the past.
You guys need to provide some relief to it.
And there's a lot of cases where in especially in cases where China where margins are already quite
thin where they don't really have much room to be able to negotiate that but that's where that idea comes from but in practice it's absolutely not true and obviously the the importer pays
for the duty here and the X therefore pass it on.
Right.
And the exporter may lower the price of their goods, which is where their hit comes.
They may do that may, but ultimately it is paid by the importer and then that is passed on to the consumer.
Okay.
Thank you.
Correct.
Absolutely.
I could have told you that.
That was
terrible.
Class 101.
I just think it's important to keep explaining to folks because there has been a lot of misinformation out there.
from people who you would think would know better.
Absolutely.
I don't know any better.
So
this I mentioned before we went to the break that US housing seen its biggest decline in since May housing starts are down.
This is not good because housing continues to be a big problem in across the United States.
Yeah.
And we're you know you're seeing that obviously in the
the materials and everything like that that come over, you're starting to see that those aren't coming over in the same capacity that they have been in recent months, obviously, with the upstarts.
Yeah, everything from my perspective is there's still, you know, I think around a $4 million shortage in terms of what people are looking for prices.
Continue to be near the highest they've ever been.
I think you're seeing a little bit of a cooling off which is you know, really kind of interesting from a standpoint, but you're but if there if there are some You know, it's it's I think people are waiting maybe for the mortgage rates to decrease I think
we're
maybe looking for an interest rate cut here soon.
I don't know if that will you know spur the spur that up again But yeah, we're seeing it in even the orders of the building materials where you're not seeing those come
as much as in the past.
Well, we've got tariffs on lumber now coming in from Canada and all kinds of things related to the building industry.
So.
And my final question to you for today, because I don't know if we'll have you on beforehand, but you know, the holidays are right around the corner, whether we like it or not, they're months away, but they're, you know, shopping will begin soon, advertisements will begin soon.
What James, do you see will be affecting homes for the holidays as far as.
gift prices, travel, well, not travel prices, but how will these tariffs be affecting our prices for the things we need to consume as consumers?
Yeah, you're going to see some increases, marginal increases on most things that are coming in.
And just so you for your frame of reference, basically, most retailers need to have their goods and
either right now or very, very shortly after it, you know, when you get into October, it's Christmas season.
Yeah, you're getting a little too late at that point.
So right now is kind of the time where if you're not on the shelves, you're probably not going to be making it.
I've been looking at sort of conflicting numbers as to what I think obviously there's always a little bit of an optimism with holiday shopping, but kind of going back to your guys's point earlier is of like really determining like what is the effect of this.
It's really hard because all of these
All of these additional costs, whether it's the inputs or whether it's the transportation, everything like that, all of that adds up kind of behind the scenes where you can't really tie it to necessarily one tariff or another.
It just all of these costs continuously adding up creates problems for businesses.
And we'll see probably in the next few months whether the businesses are able to pay for all
of this.
Well, and Brandon on the live stream actually says, yeah, the housing industry is going to be in a world of hurt because a big part of their labor force has gone.
So
that's another thing to consider as well.
It's all costs going up for us, the American taxpayers.
So yeah, we always appreciate James, you coming by and sharing the information you have because it's great to break this down.
We are not import exporters.
We are not.
We are import exporter adjacent.
This is the time to get into it guys.
We were into imports exports for James before it
was
We've been talking tariffs for months
now.
That's right.
You guys probably know more than I do.
Oh
boy.
That's absolutely
not
true James Vanderloo is the head of OEC group in Milwaukee really appreciate your time James in helping us Navigate through these times and I know we will have you back very very soon.
Appreciate it.
Take care
Thanks a bunch guys.
We got news coming up next and then when we come back audio sorbet talking technology Are you the helper or the helpee?
That's me.
That's all coming up You're listening to Matt Nair on air on the civic media radio network
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Maggie Dawn's show, four to six across the network.
In the five o'clock hour, she's going to talk about insurance premiums and what those could like, especially for people in the ACA.
Yes, when we talked about that last week and right now Senator Baldwin as well as a senator from New Hampshire whose name escapes him right now is trying to help those who are on the ACA.
Because
those premiums could go up.
Double
what ours will already go up.
Yeah.
If you have traditional access to health care, that is.
So again, join Maggie today.
She's going to talk to State Senator Kristen Dessler-Aufheim from the Fox Valley.
Later on today, four to six Maggie Dawn show across the Civic Media radio network.
This is the portion of the show where we try to get away from politics and the heavy things and just take a breath.
We call it Audio Sorbet, where we lighten your
What we clean your
oh Just let me do the line sorry audio Sorbet we clean your ears with fun.
We need an opener.
I think that yeah, I think so I think so oh yes audio Sorbet today eight five five seven five two four eight four two We would love to hear from you Technology are you the helper or are you the help he?
Seems to me there's usually one person in the household.
Can you help me get do this thing that I don't understand?
I can't sign into the thing.
What's our password?
How
do I do that thing?
Why do I have to update the- what's firmware?
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
That's 8-5-5-7-5 Civic.
Uh, we talk about this because I am the help.
I need help.
in so many ways.
The Taylor Swift song, hi, I'm the help, it's
me.
I
need the help, yes.
The call is coming from inside the house.
And you don't know how to answer that call, Jane.
Exactly,
I can't get to my voicemails, which was a thing that came up yesterday with Craig.
I go to get my voicemail
and
it says enter the passcode.
I don't have a passcode for my voicemail.
You don't have a passcode for your virtual voicemail.
Which I never...
Asked for you don't have a choice.
You just get it.
It's on your phone It's been around since the iPhone came out back like nearly 20 years ago.
I don't want it It's not a good or bad thing.
It's not something you pay for it's not like it's coming to take your it's confusing me Okay, all right, okay, just for the record Jane Matt and there is not a thousand years old either you you You make it seem like I don't understand technology.
You're not that
But in some areas, I feel helpless.
I do.
Maybe I am the only one who still thinks that I can break my computer.
So I went to a gaming platform.
Calvin can back me up on this because he knows I'm a legitimate gamer.
Right, Calvin?
Calvin, thank
you.
He is a gamer.
He is a gamer.
I am a gamer.
So I went to Steam.
Which is a gaming platform.
Yeah,
and it's kind of it's kind of like an app store.
Yeah,
and there is a Prototype of a game that's coming out in the 23rd.
I want that I wanted to play and I tried to download it yesterday and
I
I think I broke something
You didn't break anything
that's what Calvin said.
Yeah, you didn't
break but it's not
working The game isn't working and but we figured out why the game isn't working because you're not using the right
operating system or the I should say the compatible operating system for the demo.
Welcome to Greg and Calvin fixed chains technology.
This really isn't an audio survey.
It's more like like geek
squads but for radio.
Yeah, just a geek squad for me.
I know I am not the only one eight five five seven five two four eight four two.
Are you the helper?
Or are you the technology help?
Yeah, maybe I am the only one eight five five seven five two four eight four two pga pj on the live stream since says since I have an it degree I have always been the help desk of my family and friends I bet pj you can't escape it
I you know if you're if that's going to be the case fine you're a good person for helping out but I would go one step further if this is the you know scenario scenario you find yourself in which is all right you want some help
You need to submit a help desk ticket.
Tell me your problem.
I'll get to it when I can.
And then PJ presented them a bill.
They
don't have to pay the bill.
They just have to understand that as Abraham Lincoln once said, a lawyer's advice is their stock and trade.
Know what your stock and trade is.
If you're giving out free help.
I got real I'm getting real mean right now.
I don't know why but I just feel like if people are coming at you for your expertise They should understand that you charge for you
charge for it.
Yeah, Calvin You must be the healthy in your household.
You're pretty
tech
or help or yes You're the help or in your household because you're pretty tech savvy.
Yes.
I I am the helper and I will say Usually you would think the helper is the youngest that's not exactly true.
I'm the oldest of three kids.
Yeah
And we're all pretty close.
So it's not like there's a technological gap or anything, but I Consistently have to help my younger brother.
I'll give my sister credit.
She's pretty self-sufficient But my younger brother is always like can you help me figure this out and I will say The biggest frustration is is when I don't know how to do it and I Google it and is It's like I know he's just as capable of googling.
Yeah,
I
see
And I think we've gotten to the root problem here with this, Calvin, is that your brother says, can you help me?
He knows you'll say yes.
So he's less inclined to simply type into his device that he probably needs help with to say, how do I do this thing?
Because he knows you'll do it for him.
So you are essentially becoming my mother and telling me to go look it up.
Yes.
Yes.
That is the new.
Yeah.
That is
that is the new go look it up.
Yeah.
Will say okay the you can Google as good as I can excuse for my brother and sister works In a lot of cases it is a lot more efficient for me to Google something as opposed to my dad googling it so I will say I Have some skills with Google that are beneficial to others.
Why and I and I have googled things for help
But sometimes I find the help suggestions more confusing than the problem that I started with.
Well, and that's, I would, I will say this, that is maybe one, one of the benefits of using AI in the internet webosphere.
That's right.
I said that is that when I look up things for instructions, like a lot of times like, like you're using a piece of software, it will lay out.
the
instructions
very well or at the very least give you a link to go some find somewhere else.
So in the in the world of especially in like, you know, if you're looking for a printed version of YouTube university, you want the step by step.
That's where AI can be helpful.
And you kind of can't get away from it nowadays with Google.
They they they shove AI the very, yes.
But yeah, I mean,
Definitely.
If it was my brother or sister, Calvin, I could definitely say Google's free, my dude.
But to your dad, I get that.
Now, I'm very unique in the situation of I never have to help my mother with any of that stuff.
Really?
My mother has been both tech savvy as well as very tech open-minded.
For a long time, we had a computer.
She had to have a computer at home for work.
So we always had a computer.
She made herself aware of how they work so she could fix them if she needed to.
For her?
Yeah.
So I've never had to really help her with any technology.
Maybe something with a television because televisions always change.
And even sometimes I'm stumped because I feel like.
Especially with televisions.
I'm like my thought is I just want to watch this.
Why are you making everything so difficult right now?
So I am very very lucky in in our house in between my wife and I
I would say neither, I don't have to help her either.
Like it's pretty self-explanatory.
Our devices are very simple anyways.
It's not like I'm sitting here cracking codes and rewriting operating systems.
I'm like, oh, just try pressing that button.
It's literally a series of guesses until I get to where I need to go.
But again,
you're doing it with the confidence that you're not going to somehow break your system.
That and also I'm doing it with the confidence that I will eventually, I could eventually get to the point where I have to say, I don't know.
For me, the fix is not the all-encompassing goal.
It's about, well, let me rephrase that.
The fix is the goal.
Getting there without feeling like I don't know something is fine.
If I have to look it up or I say you have to ask somebody else, that's fine by me.
Sure.
855-752-4842.
Our audio sorbet today, when it comes to technology, are you the helper or are you the helpee in your household?
I am definitely the one asking for help.
855-752-4842.
My mother is no longer with us, but...
I know my sister Kathy used to spend so much time
with
her just to get emails.
Oh yeah, that's.
Yeah, I feel like I can't go on right now.
Oh, I don't want to.
I mean, I will say, I will say this.
I know, I know somebody who I have helped a few times, not a lot, but I've made, I've gone with my friends to their house.
special trips to almost do a kind of a, all right, what do we need to work on?
Should we go through the basics?
Getting them a basic class?
Well, not even basic class.
Honestly, no.
At that point, when they did, the last time I did it a couple of years ago, I was like, I'm happy to stop by and help.
Cause you know, it's a good visit.
It's a good hang.
And I'm, I'm fine with doing it.
They're not far away, but it's just about like, all right, kind of give me the roundup of what we need to do.
Do we need to switch the TVs?
Do we need to do this?
And we take care of it.
It's done because honestly calling them,
I might as well just jump off a building.
Seriously.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Trying to relay those instructions is almost worse.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah.
855-752-4842.
PJ on the live stream says, yes, my family and friends do compensate my services with food or money.
I love that.
Well, that's good.
PJ glad to hear
that.
Know your
worth.
Ali from the Northwoods is on the line.
Good morning, Ali.
Are you the helper or are you the help-e when it comes to technology?
but I would prefer when I asked my kids for help if they would explain how to do something rather than get upset and say well you just this is it if they would explain it
so that I could do it myself the next
time.
So if they would take you through, yeah.
If they would take you through the steps.
Well, and Ollie, I would even take it one step further now.
I mean, I'm not going to delve into the interactions between you and your family.
I understand the frustrations on both sides.
But I think in this situation, and I've done this before for other people, writing it down step by step is great too.
That helps yeah, yes, especially if you're face-to-face because you go I mean I think we've all been there where you get on Google and it says all right go to this thing and tap this button and look for the thing that says this and it doesn't say that because they've changed it because the instructions are old so I think Ali like if they if they have to help you like sit down together write the step-by-step that way you have something to refer to you don't have to call them I mean call them if you want they're your family but it just makes it easier for you then then you don't have to be you don't have to be waiting for help or
wait for a response and
again this would this isn't it's empowering Ali right if they if they teach you how to do the steps that is a little more empowering
than just
having it done for you
absolutely
thank you so much Ali appreciate it and our last shout out goes to Casper one of our engineers at Civic who says welcome to my life you signed up for it buddy you signed
up for it
Casper I got a question for you about steam I'll call
you
later
Stay with us when we come back.
We will wrap it up as we do with this shouldn't be a thing today.
It is the Firefest what could go wrong this time edition?
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The brewer is hosting the LA Angels.
Broadcast starts at 6.05.
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So catch our broadcast tonight on WRC in Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, here in Racine and Kenosha on WRJN and on WBZH in Hayward.
The Brewers hosting the Angels tonight.
Our broadcast starts at 6.05.
Coming up tomorrow, it is Wednesday.
Says who it is Wednesday tomorrow already.
We're gonna talk to Bennett Goldenstein.
He is a Goldstein Goldstein Thank you reporter with Wisconsin watch looking forward to that and James Vanderloo.
Oh, he's back.
He is back.
We're to talk tariffs and
More reports that I continue to see, especially now about soybean farmers.
Yeah.
And that's something that, you know, I really quick, and I just want to say this really, you know, if you're interested in keeping up in the farming world and the news, there are great podcasts.
There are great.
We have the Midwest Farm Report here on the network every morning from five to six AM with Pam Yankee, but also AG Web is a great app that delivers farming news from all over the country.
And it delivered me some news like,
President Trump begging China to buy more soybeans.
It really gives you an idea.
And it's kind of unfettered.
Like it's not uncensored, but it doesn't filter.
It doesn't filter.
It doesn't hold back on frustrations coming from that community.
And I think it's a great.
Great app.
AG Web is the name of it.
You can put on your phone, your device, and it will send you notifications with stories that I have used in the past.
It's a great resource, I feel, for this kind of information on the world, because it is.
I mean, we love our farmers, but we also don't always know a lot about what's going
on.
Exactly.
So James Vanderloo will be joining us as well tomorrow in hour number two right now, though, 10.55.
Calvin, that means it's time for...
This shouldn't be a thing.
As
always if you find a thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me at Jane says at civicmedia.usjanes.us This from UPI Ben Hooper comes through for us again clutch we love his bylines headline reads man spits table tennis ball at a wall 51 times in 30 seconds and there's video
A serial Guinness World Record Breaker took some time during an ocean cruise to spit a table tennis ball at a wall in order to break one of his own records.
Wait, wait, wait, rewind.
Read that first sentence again.
A
Guinness Serial World
Record Breaker.
Not a great title.
Took some time during an ocean cruise to spit a table tennis ball at a wall.
in order to break one of his own records.
David Rush holds the most concurrent Guinness World Records titles at more than 181.
He was on board a Disney cruise somewhere in the North Atlantic when he broke the record for the most table tennis balls bounced against a wall from your mouth in 30 seconds for the third time.
The man's got goals.
He originally set the record at 43 bounces, bested himself in 2024 with 47 bounces, and then managed to break the record for a third time, 51 bounces on day five of his Disney cruise.
You know, I'd love to say that his partner was like, Hey, can we just have a vacation?
But I know that's not the case at all.
He was on this boat just to do this.
Just to
do this quote.
To the casual eye, it might look goofy.
To everyone's eye, it looks
goofy.
But trust me, this record is deceptively difficult.
The spit has to be perfectly aimed.
Too much pressure, and the ball rockets back higher than expected.
Too little, and it drops low and slows you down.
Every bounce, Greg Bach, is a split second calculation.
Pressure, angle, timing.
I just, Jane, I know that we're coming up on the, I'm coming up on the wall here and that we need to go to the news.
But I'm just gonna say what I always say in matters like this, especially when it comes to world records, because we're never talking about like really truly amazing ones.
In the matters of this, it just furthers my belief that we were never what God intended.
I don't know, have you seen the video?
You need to see the video.
I have, and it's made me rethink my beliefs and values.
So thank you everyone for this gem of a story.
Ben Hooper, you're on my list.
Ben
Hooper, you did it again.
That wraps up today's episode of This Shouldn't Be a Thing.
You need to see the video.
Yeah, check it out.
You and I have different definitions of the word need.
If you need a cheap laugh.
Okay,
there you
go.
That will fill the need.
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