Weaponizing The National Guard Is Fascism (Hour 2)

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Welcome back to Matt and air on air.

My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane Matt and air who'll be back before you know it sooner than later and she misses you and she loves you You are here today on the show.

We got an amazing show for you before we get to anything else I want to introduce our co-host today the executive director and founder of black leaders organizing communities Miss Angela Lang is here Angela.

How are you doing this morning?

I'm okay

It is Friday.

Yeah.

Yes.

Absolutely.

It is Friday.

It is here.

The weekend has finally, finally arrived.

And before we get into all the news of the day, we're going to be talking about this in a moment.

We want to give some breaking news coming out of Utah that there is a

suspect in the shooting of Charlie Kirk in custody in Utah right now.

Currently there is a press conference happening.

The Utah governor, the governor of Utah is speaking on it at the moment.

If there, we will possibly be playing clips from it as we have them to share.

But again, a suspect in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, which took place on Wednesday is in custody.

And I believe his name is Tyler Robinson.

He's 22 years old.

And as far as we know, that is the most we have of it right now.

They are giving more information at the press conference, as we said, in Utah, taking place right now.

So I was going to talk about this a little later in the show, maybe in the second half hour, because we got stuff to talk about.

As I want to make it clear, one of the reasons why I want to talk to you today, and I wanted you to be on the show, is that you have a new article in the recombobulation area dealing with your beliefs on what

uh, constitutes fascism as it applies to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the United States.

And I feel like when we're talking about Charlie Kirk, we're talking about gun violence.

We're talking about occupation of cities by federal troops.

It all kind of mixes into the same pot eventually.

And, you know, something you said to me before the show started this morning, and I want to reiterate it because we talked about it with Todd and we talked about Jim.

I spoke about it with Dr. Liarley as well.

And that is and Dan Schaefer to Dan Schaefer was here yesterday, but It's possible to have two thoughts that are true It's called nuance details and I think While everyone is rushing and tell me if I'm wrong and I'm I don't think I am because you know Everyone's rushing to social media to issue their opinions as it is some sort of determining fact or determining

persuasive effort for people to understand where they're coming from.

We're still finding out what's going on.

We don't know anything more than the guy's name at this point.

We don't know his motives.

And for us, as civic media has said, we are 100% opposed to political violence.

And I hate that I have to say that out loud.

You think we just assume that, but we are.

We do not endorse it.

We do not support it.

It solves nothing.

It helps nothing.

But Angela, I know you said something that really struck with me is that I'm keeping it to myself my thoughts right now because putting it out in the world, I don't know personally what that helps.

And that's not a judgment on those who are doing it, especially if you're connecting and opening up.

But for me, it wasn't about saying, well, this is what you need to know, because I don't know anything.

Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of us have been processing the last few days of

what this means for our society and what this means for our country.

And if you are on social media, you can't get away from folks talking about it on both sides.

I kind of made the mistake of just scrolling through Twitter.

And that, I always said that Twitter is the wild west anyways, and that is very much true in this situation as well.

I think that we can hold multiple truths.

We can say that political violence does not have a place in this country and in this world.

And I'd be lying if I said I didn't think about my own self as someone that is outspoken that very, you know, very outspoken.

We just did a whole action against the Milwaukee Police Association on Friday at City Hall, calling out the National Guard, right?

So I'd be lying if I, you know, didn't have a little

a little worrying concern about myself and other activists, but also at the same time, I think we've seen this concept of, you know, don't speak ill of the dead.

And I think it's important to have a full understanding of his views and his beliefs and his quotes, even if people hadn't known who he was before.

I think that, you know, there is a way to say, you know what, what happened?

is wrong and that does not have a place in this country.

You know, you've had everyone from Barack Obama to George Bush saying that.

And at the same time, I don't need to feel the most empathy and compassion for someone who hated me, right?

I think that it's okay to feel neutral and to say this is terrible, but to also feel a way about how hurtful and harmful

His words were and I think multiple things can be true.

You can hold those kind of conflicting tensions and I think that's okay And lord knows I will be processing it in therapy But I think that you can hold that tension and that doesn't mean you are Celebrating necessarily

what happened.

No, absolutely.

And I think I think the processing at all and I think that goes to a larger conversation that we talked about every time there's an instance of gun violence

whether it's politically driven or not, is that mental health is always something we need to take into account for.

And it's always important to say, if this is something that is really affecting you, because I felt very affected the day of.

I was like, why am I affected?

We texted a little bit.

Yeah, exactly.

And I wanted you to come on and do a drop in with me and talk about it.

And I could feel the tone and you're like, oh, you're not there yet.

So let's not do that.

Let's, I was like, I'm thinking myself, let's just wait until Friday because you're right.

And I think that people who say things of, you know, don't speak ill of him.

Like I'm not speaking ill.

I'm speaking truthfully.

Like these are the, these are the words he had said.

These are the things he stood behind.

And if anything, you know, he, he didn't back down.

good, bad or indifferent.

He didn't back down, but those words still exist in the annals of history.

They are still things he has said, pointing at people such as yourself, such as me in certain instances, because the values that I held as a person, especially I'm sure as a white male in America, we did not jive with what he thought I should be doing.

But it doesn't mean that we have to one, not process, especially if you're at a place where like you said, you're feeling neutrally, like you're not crying for.

him, you are feeling it inside for yourself, for what you're going through.

And, and also, we cannot, and it is already starting to happen, we cannot whitewash his legacy as far as his influence in the political sphere as the blogosphere podcasting, everything.

I mean, the Packers had a moment of silence for him last night.

I not personally, I won't lie, not a fan of that.

I don't, and because we're not doing moments of silence for so many other people out there.

Exactly.

You know, that's, it's, it's like, I know, I know people won't believe me when I say this, but if we had, if we only did moments of silence, silence for those I agreed with and we didn't do one for, and we didn't do one for Charlie Kirk or if, or if it was another, uh, elected official, I wouldn't like that.

That's not fair.

That's not a balance, but.

We're not doing moments of silence for all these other individuals, regardless of their party, all of a sudden for him and just really just irked me.

I

mean, there was a school shooting in Colorado.

Yeah,

exactly.

That is

getting buried that no one is talking about.

I also think a detail that folks aren't talking about is that this happened on a college campus.

This is another another university.

Shooting right whether the students that were there to listen to him speak or were just walking the class or going to their dorm like They were now also a part of a school shooting and like that is not being talked about because school shootings tend to be normalized Yeah And I'll say too That was the topic of conversation.

Yeah

Which I don't know what to fully make of that.

Yeah,

like this man who?

stood his ground for the Second Amendment and we can pull the quotes and I don't want to get into them here died by gun violence While answering a question about school shootings while the school shooting happened like I

Can't fully wrap my brain around This is where we are and I think we knew that this is where we are but this is this was the case when you say it out loud.

It's like Why are we not doing anything and we've had this conversation?

Well, and that's and that's the thing is we I talked to Todd about this and I spoke to Jim Santel specifically we discussed the ideas of how gun

regulations can exist.

It's like two things happening at the same time.

They can exist without threatening the Second Amendment.

We've seen, and it's not, and this is not an idea we just poof out of our brains.

It has real precedent and evidence behind that shows that one, gun legislation can exist because it has in the past.

And two, the violence

goes down in places where there is more, there was more restrictions and more regulations.

Again, I'm not talking about getting rid of every single gun.

I've never said that.

I will never say that, but when we talk about this topic, it is to, to walk away from it without discussing the inherent American connective tissue of it all is irresponsible.

I think, and, and, and maybe not having it exactly this moment.

Cause they're still, they think they're still doing a press conference about

the shooter, like there's things to work out before we get to that, but we can't walk away for that.

And I want to, and I want to read for you just the headline, right?

Cause it just came through.

And I think this is a very, very important collection of words that specifically speaks about our attitude towards kind of everything when it comes to these matters.

After this is the New York times today, Sean Hubler, Edgar Sandoval, Audra Diaz, Birch have the byline it reads after Kirk killing

Americans agree on one thing, something is seriously wrong.

When I read that, all I hear was it took this situation.

Let's look at who was the horribly the victim of this, leaving behind a wife, children, family, friends, all those things.

I hate that I have to reiterate that fact, Angela, that I have to tell people that I understand all those things exist.

And I want his family to have closure.

I want his family to be able to grieve.

I kind of want us to leave them alone because they deserve the privacy.

But I understand that there's a tragedy here.

But I think it's very simple.

The subtext of that statement, after Kirk killing, Americans agree something is wrong.

Great.

You've all come to the party and we're going to keep this party going.

Listen, that segue going on the other side.

We're going to keep talking about this.

Carmel, I see you on the, I see you on the line.

I'm going to take a call.

And then after the, after we come back from getting some snacks and some water, Angela, I want you to talk about your direct feelings after hearing that headline.

Cause I know you have them.

Oh yeah.

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No, I hear you.

The more you keep saying it, I'm one of those people have to write out.

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Yeah.

And before we went and got ourselves some snacks and got hydrated cause folks stay hydrated.

We were talking about the breaking news out of Utah.

There has been a alleged, a acute of someone who is suspected of

shooting and killing Charlie Kirk this past week on Wednesday in Utah.

They are in custody.

All we know right now, all I know right now, they're currently having a press conference and they are talking about it.

We know that he's 22.

His name is Tyler Robinson.

And that apparently a family member had it, saw the picture and turned him in.

So that's all we know right now.

As we know more, we will report it, but keep it locked here for civic media for more information.

And before we did go and grab a snack,

I read the headline of a New York Times article, and I do want to get your thoughts on this, Angela, in a moment, but I want to take Carmella first because she's been waiting so patiently.

Carmella on the phone line.

Thank you so much for calling in.

What do you say, my friend?

Well, happy Friday, Angela and Greg.

I'm

trying to say

my happy place.

But when Angela brought up about the moment of silence at the Packard game, that just triggered me because

immediately President Trump, what do they call it, a flag at half mass for Charlie Kirk.

And that upset me because there was a senator in Minnesota, lastly,

or a health

speaker.

Nothing said about that, no flags, half mass.

And I realized he was a political activist.

He actually wasn't a politician.

But then my thought went to

all the children that have been shot horrifically.

And where's the outrage for that?

And it's just like, how are we going to get out of this?

I'm just so distraught by this situation.

And then everybody on the right, denigrating the people on the left, and especially our president.

Before they

even have a suspect, he's saying the evil

Left and whatever word you use and it's like that messaging is just constant and I I'm just so afraid for our country because I Believe it is coming to a civil war.

I mean the way it is going January 6th way I think was just the tip of the iceberg and they're prodding this on and on and on and it's coming from the top down and it just makes me So distraught about it in our future

so

Thank you, Carmella, for calling.

We always appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.

Yeah, there's a lot to unpack and process.

And one of the things we were talking about earlier was social media.

But before we can get to that in a moment, and I do, and we will, Angel, we're going to get to your article and talking about kind of another piece of this whole puzzle, the messaging.

As Carmella was putting it, the messaging of it all, of this consistent vitriolic accusations, horrible language.

And look, I understand that people on the left are saying,

things I do not agree with at all either.

Digital footprints are real.

I think people are forgetting that.

Absolutely.

Yes, that's it.

Put that in your group chats or something.

There's some content right there.

Digital footprints.

But I read that I read that headline, Angela, and just give me really quick because we've got about a minute.

No, we've got about yeah, we've got about a minute.

Your gut reaction when you hear that after Kirk killing Americans agree on one thing, something is seriously wrong.

Yup, took notes during the break.

One, people have been murdered for their beliefs for a while.

And a lot of times it has not been white men.

It has been men of color or other folks that people deem radical or leftist.

No one batted an eye.

Police murder people.

No one bad in the night.

Trans people are murdered by gun violence, school shootings, but yet it took a conservative white man for someone to finally say, you know what?

Maybe we should do something when he believed that we shouldn't.

We're going to keep the conversation going with Angela Lang, who is our co-host today.

Always love having her around.

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My name is Greg box sitting here for Jane Matt and air who is currently vacating resting, relaxing and we'll be back before you know it while you're here.

I want to introduce you to my co-host.

It's Angela Lang.

She is not only the founder of but also the co-director of black live black leaders, organizing communities here in Milwaukee block is how you can find them and you can find out everything they're doing.

And we're going to talk in the moment a little bit about something they did as you said, Angela, on the spur of the moment to little

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But before we went to the break, I had, I made you rattle off your thoughts on this, just the headline.

And like I said, I want, I'm going to read it, but it came across very quickly before we came on the show.

The headline said a lot to me.

And I'm sure if it speaks to me in this way, I know it speaks to you in a much deeper, but same.

Idea that is after Kirk killing Americans agree on one thing something is seriously wrong I want to know who they were talking to because obviously they've been asleep for a long time and Tony on the lives livestream says

I think America agreed something was wrong before Kirk high approvals for red flag laws, waiting periods, et cetera.

This has been a thing for a while.

It's a minority opinion to oppose common sense gun reform.

I don't think the NRA has changed their stance.

I don't think lobbyists have changed what they're lobbying for.

DBO hasn't changed his stance.

Speaking of DBO, he is really.

Letting loose on Twitter and a way that is not

tacky.

I'll just say that

our friend.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely for real.

She is a doctor has put out there.

She's like, I'm legitimately worried about him right now because it is, it is taking that what we were talking about before that right wing messaging of attack, attack, attack to a different level.

Tony goes on to say, which is why the only path forward is voting them.

Is voting them in their stance?

Oh, I would say there.

Is voting them in their stance is that they don't reflect voters out.

Exactly.

And that's the thing I wanted to say to Carmella.

I know it's easy.

I don't say this next thing lightly.

While we still do, and I will not go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories at this moment, there's no evidence to show at this.

The moment it does, I recognize and I'm fine.

I'm bored.

I'm not gonna sit here and tiptoe through the tulips like, it's everything is fine.

But right now we still have a voice.

And that voice is raised at the ballot box.

That's how we do political discourse.

That's how we make change.

And that's why you need to go to myvote.wi.gov.

Find out who your leaders are.

Put in your information.

It will give you your representatives from the president down to the dog catcher if you still vote for them.

And you can call.

You can write them.

You can visit them.

Always be respectful.

Especially if you're calling, you're not talking to the rep, you're talking to an intern or an aide or somebody who's getting paid way less than they are.

And tell them your thoughts.

They don't know unless you tell them.

And then, if they're not the people you want in office, myvote.wi.gov will have the information you need to see who is on your ballot, what is on your ballot.

And you can, as Tony says, vote the people who don't represent you out of office.

That's how we still raise our voices and we raise them as a community and tell them to stop and be leaders finally.

I also want to flag since we had the My Vote website up.

Hold on.

Let me look.

There it is again.

Conveniently.

Next week on September 16th is National Voter Registration Day.

And so this is a time that you can double check your voter registration status if you happen to move or you changed your name or what have you, you will need to re-register.

And so what a better time than to do it on National Voter Registration Day on September 16th.

And guess what?

If you're already registered, why don't you just maybe make a social media post or text five of your friends if social media isn't your thing and say,

Hey, I'm registered.

Check your voter registration status at my vote.wi.gov because today is national voter registration day on September 16th.

See, I'm always in organizer mode.

Boom.

I'm always in producer mode.

I'm like, yeah, seamless transitions, baby.

Tony earlier even said with our, our, with our outro in the first segment, he goes seamless transition.

That's why you guys are pros.

That's right.

My vote.wi.gov.

And we'll talk more about that next week as well.

And

You know, if we had seven hours, we could get into all the nuances of this.

We could talk about everything that's going on.

It would be very robust and non FCC compliance edition that we'd have to put on the internet immediately.

But I want, I want it cause I wanted to open the show with this.

And it's the fact that yes, you're an organizer.

That's what you do.

That is your, that's your stock in trade.

And you

Yeah, you're very good because you organized, you organized an action, a protest at City Hall this past week.

And I want you to, I want you to tell me more about that and how it, if you feel it connects to the article you wrote for the Reconpopulation Area, because when we're talking about police, we're talking about policing, we're talking about

federal troops.

We're talking about in my opinion, occupations of cities.

As far as I know, Cavalier Johnson has, has yet to write a letter to the president saying, please help.

Although the president of the Milwaukee's police union is as far as I remember thinking about it, but tell me more about the action that took place last week at city hall, Angela.

Yeah, so one, we had found out earlier in the week that the Milwaukee Police Association, MPA, was gonna have a protest at City Hall because they were upset about the contract negotiations with the city, AKA the mayor's office.

So they were gonna have a protest at City Hall.

And we were keeping an eye on it, not gonna lie, some of us joked around and said, I wonder if we should just drive by it just to see how many people are there just to like check it out, right?

And then it was, I believe that Wednesday afternoon is when the MPA presidents made that threat of potentially calling or asking President Trump to bring in the National Guard to Milwaukee.

That was the tipping point.

It was about four o'clock a bunch of organizers all got on a phone and in various group chats and You know, we immediately talked through what does something look like and we ultimately said, you know what?

We think we should counter protest their protest and I think what also Was an added detail that I think is getting buried but we want to highlight is they started in Red Arrow Park, which has been nicknamed Dante Hamilton because

In 2014, for those that don't know, Dantre Hamilton was an unhoused black man struggling with mental health, but was sleeping at a park bench in Red Arrow Park in the middle of the day across the street from City Hall and things escalated and he was shot and murdered by the Milwaukee police.

So to have the police union start the little rally at that park felt like a slap in the face and incredibly disrespectful.

So we decided we were going to go and lay flowers at the memorial bench where there's a plaque honoring Dantre Hamilton and they were gathering at 9 30 we gathered at nine Some of them walked up very confused like these are our people.

Um, so they were on one side

of the cover or something.

Are you going to cover?

It was like there's too many.

Yeah, um

So it was interesting and press showed up.

We had sent out a media advisory and it was interesting to see the press literally kind of run back and forth from one end of the park covering our rally, covering theirs and going back and forth.

And we knew that we were going to, we had lawyers on deck, shout out to every lawyer I had called for this action.

But they were gonna march to city hall.

We created some distance.

We didn't immediately go afterwards.

We let them go first.

We also marched to City Hall where we turned the corner and they were doing a press conference.

And so we were face to face with just the media in between us.

They decided to go inside.

the plan was not to go inside, but I kind of popped in, saw that they were on the second floor, and we decided all the organizers that we made the call, if we stay downstairs while they're upstairs, we can continue that split screen.

And so what was really important that I said is that we don't think, one, the National Guard should come to Milwaukee, but to have this, and to use this as a bargaining chip, because you're not getting your nearly 13% raise that you want is,

especially in this political landscape that had to be challenged, that had to be called out.

And so we wanted to force the media and force this kind of split screen story in this juxtaposition that they want a 13% raise, but then also at the same time, they say they're not doing their job because they want to bring in the national.

guard to help them.

So we wanted to highlight that.

And it was a very powerful event.

And one of my favorite things was the fact that we were able to force that split screen and to have that counter narrative as

well.

Sorry, I use messages coming back and forth with me with everything going on right now.

I was listening.

I swear to God I was listening.

Okay.

There's two things I want to bring up.

One, I want to direct people to civicmedia.us slash shows and look for Earl Ingram show, his new podcast called What's Going On.

He actually does an episode where he speaks to the president of the Milwaukee police union, Alex Ayala, as well as he speaks to Senator Julian Baker.

I have listened to some of that and they have very

I would say, State Senator Bradley, I heard that.

His very interesting, very loud takes on the matter because Earl was asking very valid questions because his came more from, why is this not being, you know, you don't have a contract.

Why are you protesting?

Why aren't you doing this through the necessary processes of union negotiation?

So go to civicmedia.us, listen to that, and you can hear that.

But also, and I just,

Call it wanting to paint more of a picture when we speak about Mr. Hamilton and his untimely and tragic death by gun violence, by the way.

Yeah.

Didn't see it.

We

don't talk about police killing black folks at the hands of guns.

We don't consider that gun violence.

And I

think that that is also interesting.

Yeah.

And I think the other thing too is, is, you know, what we'll never, I will never forget when it comes to that story about him is that

the phrase that was used to describe how he was murdered was emptied an entire clip into him.

Last time I checked, first of all, last time I checked, there are plenty of things on their belt that can incapacitate a person while keeping them alive.

And usually if you're going to choose a bullet one will do, but whatever.

Yeah, I did not know they started at Red Arrow Park.

I think that's incredibly disrespectful.

I think that was

deliberate or absolutely you know what honestly the if it was deliberate that would be that would be angry if it was ignorance i'd be like oh man that's just offensive but the point is i think what you what you are show right here there in this story is that political violence as we've been saying for days now does nothing you didn't organize a group of people to attack anyone

You didn't organize people to create harm on anyone.

You organized people, the community, to come together, raise their voices, and tell leaders and people of influence in their community, hey, this is how we feel too, and you have a right to do it, and that's how it gets done as the organizer that you are, Angel Lang, because you're amazing.

I mean, it's something, you know, I cut my teeth in organizing as a student at UWM.

in the Walker era, right?

You should be able to retire if you wanted to right now.

I organized during the Obama election.

I mean, that was like walking into a store and they're like, here's a free $500 jacket.

But let's keep the conversation going.

We're going to grab some snacks and some more.

I want to hear more about this because the organizing portion of it is so important and it's the way we get things done.

Angela Lange is my co-host.

From Black Leaders Organizing Communities, we are going to keep talking throughout the show about this.

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So we are talking here today.

We got a lot going on.

There's a lot of news happening always breaking news out of Utah right now.

A 22 year old suspect named Tyler Robinson has been arrested on charges on on suspicion.

I should say on suspicion.

of being the gunman in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, which took place in Utah on Wednesday.

We don't know much more about that at this moment other than his name, where he's from, and also the fact that it was a family member who saw his picture on TV and turned him in.

We are here with our wonderful co-host, Miss Angela Lang.

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And also a really quick thing at 1006, we were, we were going to be welcoming Bennett Goldstein to the show to talk about his article regarding the, the local food share program in Juneau County.

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Something came up and he had to cancel, but honestly, we're going to keep this kind of this first hour.

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Jenny on the live stream.

says, I'd love to hear more from Angela in particular about how we as a culture define, quote, violence.

Is there a clear definition or are there multiple types?

That's a fair question.

And I like that, you know, because I think the fact that you put violence in quotations says that yes, because there are so many versions.

But you talk now, I'm done talking.

Some would argue.

that Charlie Kirk's words were violence.

Some would argue that like harmful rhetoric that we've seen that led to the actual physical violence on January 6th can also be hurtful and harmful.

And I think there's policies that can be violent.

I think a lot of times, especially when I

first started, you know, building my analysis.

As like an organizer, right?

I think a lot of us default in thought violence was only a physical.

aspects, not emotional violence or financial violence.

If there's any domestic violence happening, often those other forms of violence happen as well.

And I don't think that there's a universal understanding of what violence is, because when you have marginalized communities say that the Trump administration's rhetoric is violent towards them,

people don't understand that.

People don't think it's violent because they're not in the crosshairs.

They're not in the line of fire, so to speak, of these policies.

And so I think some people's proximity to privilege will alter how people think and view what violence is.

And I don't think that there is a universal understanding of that just because of people's lived experiences, too.

I think that's a really good question.

I'm glad that...

that's brought up because I don't think we talk about the different forms of violence often.

And thank you, Jenny, for the question.

I think I don't disagree with you because I feel like we are very much in a recent time where we accept more definitions as far as like, you know, you know, 40, 30, 40 years ago, if you would have said.

violence, it would be automatically connected to a physical action against another person.

And within the word you could have, as you said, domestic violence, all those things.

But I feel like now when we talk about it, we must, because it is true, include those other ways and how they affect us and create traumatic events and how that forms our children into adults and all that stuff.

So that's a lot to think about.

Thank you for the question, Jenny.

You really appreciate that.

Before we went and grabbed some water, we were talking about the fact that Angela, as Tony put it, is great at organizing and recombobulating.

Thank you.

You put together a very quick event to protest the police's.

Yes.

Yes.

All right, fine.

You do.

You work with people.

Well, whatever.

But.

You did that, but also you wrote an article for the recombobulation area and it is a very, you know, very precise, precise title weaponizing the National Guard is fascism and

I won't lie, Angela, for myself, and we're gonna, you know, we're coming up on the, before we go to the news and we're gonna open it up wider for this article, because I want you to go into this and how it affects Milwaukee by way of Chicago, DC, LA, and a president who thinks that he is, as one judge in Los, Judge Breyer put it in Los Angeles, America's police chief.

But I want you to get into that because...

I won't lie.

I was absolutely of the belief is like, well, we're not at fascism yet.

I'm not saying we can never be, but I felt like we were at an American version of it, a fast food version, if you will, as compared to other countries and what their authoritarian regimes look like and how they treat the people.

But the invasion, the occupation of cities by a president who feels they can just do this is something that we all have to reckon with now, especially as

Milwaukee's name is being bandied within that conversation.

So we're going to talk more with Angela about this article for the Reconbobulation Area.

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Lot going on we said earlier that we were going to have Bennett Goldstein on the show at 1006 to talk about his article in Wisconsin watch about the Food share program in Juneau County Unfortunately Bennett was not able to join us anymore So we will hopefully get him rescheduled for another time because I do want to talk about that issue because That program the cuts made by the federal government how it's affecting our farmers our families our community our hungry This is something we need to talk about a lot

But hopefully we'll have Bennett on sooner than later.

And we're going to keep this conversation going in the first hour.

I'll give you a really quick recap.

First hour, we opened up with some breaking news.

There has been an arrest in Utah, a suspect is in custody in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, which took place at college campus on Wednesday in Utah.

Right now, all we know is his age, 22 years old.

He is a white male, Tyler Robinson.

He was turned in by a family friend or family member who saw him on television and

Currently, cable news is spending that into three hours of content, but good on them.

But that is what we know right now, and we'll give you more as we find out.

Stick here with civicmedia.us slash news where we're going to be reporting things as they come in.

And we were talking to Angela about a flurry of things, our thoughts on the whole situation with Charlie Kirk, how it is possible to hold two thoughts that are both true and fair.

what it means for our country, how America is reckoning with our past all of a sudden because of the death of this right wing commentator and what that says to the greater quote unquote, good of our society, all sorts of things, including a protest, Angela, you whip together along with people, you and friends and you and colleagues, you and coworkers, you and supporters protested the police protest.

If you want to listen to all that, I'm not going to give you a total recap.

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You can download the first episode, first hour of this episode today right now and put it right on your device and listen to everything we've talked about.

But I'm going to keep the conversation kind of where we're at in the, from the first hour in the second hour.

And we were talking before we went to the news break, uh, we talked about the article that you wrote for the recombobulation area that was put out on the 9th of September, entitled weaponizing the national guard is fascism.

And I'm going to stop there and let you talk.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

So a little bit of like my writing process is, um, I am not the most creative when it comes to like headlines and titles and stuff like that.

So I always kind of work generally with Dan and try to come up with something, but I put this as a placeholder weaponizing the National Guard is fascism, just like as a placeholder didn't really think anything of it, but it's also like.

That's what it is.

Let's cut to the point.

And it's not lost on me to understand what is happening currently in DC, what has happened in LA, and then now Chicago.

And I'd always been concerned, just given our proximity to Chicago, just a short little train ride up the street to come to Milwaukee.

And to have the police association almost sees this as an opportunity as leverage for their contract negotiation, to me is only another piece of the puzzle in fascism, right?

And I'm not gonna say I'm like our good friend, Matt Rothschild, that's like an expert on fascism, right?

I haven't written books or anything.

But I took a couple of college courses.

And one of the main tenants of fascism is using the military on its own residents and its own citizens.

And so to have already law enforcement that don't really have a good relationship with the community saying, we're going to further militarize your community.

So not only do you have local law enforcement to

Be anxious about but they're also calling in the military and I think it's interesting To say that they wanted to call in the military because it's basically saying that they're not doing their job that they need reinforcements But then simultaneously in the same breath they're calling for a nearly 13%

Rays yeah, so all of that doesn't make sense to me But this this article was really inspired by when I was on the Maggie Dawn show a little while ago I'm on every other Tuesday with her and this kind of started to be the topic and I texted Dan I was like, I don't know if you saw the first 30 minutes of Maggie show.

This is the op-ed I've been kicking around an idea.

I was like, this is it because I think you know

When people think of the National Guard, I think people think of like, oh, yeah, well, there's crime.

And of course, it's going to be helpful.

This has nothing to do with public safety.

And it has everything to do with trying to get residents and civilians to submit to the government and largely black and brown folks.

It is clear that the Trump administration is targeting cities that are not only democratic cities, but cities with black mayors of Milwaukee.

has one.

And so I wanted to kind of connect these pieces that, you know, law enforcement is not a lot of people's friends.

They're not my friends.

And to have them adding to this agenda, right, of basically this Trump agenda of trying to have these militarized occupations of black and brown cities is only just being a tool not only for white supremacy, but for fascism.

And something that's really kind of

You know rattled around in my brain listening to all of this discussion, especially when it comes to Milwaukee because that's where I live closest to and that's where I'll actually live almost smack in the middle between Kenosha and Chicago between Kenosha Chicago and Milwaukee But and I remember you when you were on two weeks ago We were talking about this we were talking about this thing because JD Vance was in La Crosse.

He was addressing a bunch of people in La Crosse

not people in Milwaukee and I want to play that clip for you really quick Calvin.

Can you play that clip?

Is Milwaukee a super safe city right now?

It's had some crime problems.

It's a beautiful city.

There are a lot of beautiful, incredible, hard-working people who live there.

But let's be honest, Milwaukee has had some crime problems.

So other parts of our community, Chicago, and then we're not too far from Chicago.

Chicago's had a lot of crime problems.

Why is it that you have mayors and governors who are angrier about Donald Trump offering to help them than they are about the fact that their own residents are being carjacked and murdered in the streets?

It doesn't make an ounce of

sense.

Not to make light, but it's like the Mean Girls clip.

She doesn't even go here.

Stop trying to make Milwaukee a thing.

Stop

trying to make the National Guard happen.

Oh man.

Thank you for that.

There's a bunch of, I wanted to play that clip because there's a bunch of things in my brain that I want to unpack from, from what you said to what he said to the whole situation on.

First of all, let's start here because we got a caller two weeks ago who wanted to bring up the crime issue in Milwaukee.

Every community has crime.

And I remember who it was who called.

I remember having the conversation.

I remember pulling up the information from the Milwaukee police department itself.

showing that the crime in Milwaukee, especially violent crime, has gone down.

That's great.

Let's applaud that for one thing.

But if the crime, and you live in Milwaukee, the crime is not bad enough in my opinion, especially if it's going down, that would necessitate the National Guard.

If you would need the National Guard,

It's because I'm thinking of literally like a comic book type of problem happening, like the

big

bomb.

Yes, like Gotham is, or zombies.

And I'm not even saying it to be funny because that's when I think of the National Guard coming into the city.

I'm not, I'm using that to paint the picture of when we bring in the troops is because we have this overwhelming force that is truly getting the better of us and we need reinforcements.

Milwaukee's crime problems, their statistics, I'm not gonna say crime problems, their crime statistics do not suggest that we need that kind of help.

And if you as, whether it's the police chief or the mayor or the, the president of the police union, who I don't know why we're looking at him for like, it's the mayor who needs to talk to the president about this and maybe the police chief themselves or wait, Alex Hale is the police chief, isn't he?

He's the police association president.

Yeah, that's okay.

That's

why so If there are such problems that to me says no don't call in the National Guard Talk to our elected representatives are our local and state and federal and work on a set of Parameters that would have investment from the federal government come in and help with programming that would help

bring the crime down, whether it's substance abuse, whether it is gang violence, whether it, I mean, there's a whole host of things.

There are ways of doing this.

Sending the troops in isn't the way to fix this.

It will stop it for a moment.

And yes, of course crime in DC has gone down.

When there are, when there are two and three people with machine guns on the corner, when there are ICE agents on at train stations, asking people for their IDs and where they're going, of course crime is going to go down.

You know what else is going to go down and what's going to leave?

business, investment, opportunity, people, tourism, it is, I have a friend who has a house in DC, I don't know how they do, but they do.

And they said that their home value has gone down, I think it was 10

or 15%

because of this.

So

you're not only trying to intimidate the people, you're trying to crush their economies.

If you really want to make a real change, if you really want to help with crime, because you care that much,

that you invest in the communities through dollars and activism and organizing.

That's how you do it.

And by the way, as a one last aside, the way J.D.

Vance paints it is so disgusting as, well, I don't understand why they don't want our help.

Shame on you.

Shame on you, sir.

You are not that dumb, the guy who called Donald Trump America's hit lyrics when we were at that point, but... Yep.

You really want to help with crime?

Folks, and folks, I've been wanting to say this for a couple of weeks now, Angela, and I want to say it now here with you.

I've noticed that a lot of people who used to call and say how Donald Trump was doing an amazing job and how he's winning aren't so much because the things we're talking about are becoming exponentially worse in his unfettered and unabashed attempt at taking over as the national cop of this country.

They can't defend it.

because if they defend it, they're in support of it, and they're in support of anti-American sentiment, rhetoric, and actions.

Period.

Phone lines are really quiet on that one.

I mean, it's really interesting that folks that are like, oh, freedom, or even folks that advocate for the Second Amendment because they want to have the Second Amendment against the tyrannical government, what are we doing here?

We're all quiet.

Now, that's the whole argument for the Second Amendment,

right?

I thought we were making America great again.

Nobody out there?

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I had to think about that, Angela.

I am terrible at scrabble.

I saw the look on your face.

Look, good thing it's radio.

But unless you're on the big media app,

you know.

Unless you look on the live stream, which we're on Facebook.

YouTube and the site we still call Twitter.

Yeah.

I had to look a moment where, you know, when a computer reboots for a second, you're like, yeah, there we are.

We're talking about everything going down, including also a protest that block put together to protest the police in Milwaukee, an article that Angela wrote for the recombobulation area entitled weaponizing the national guard as fascism.

And

You know, again, when you're on the show, I wish we had seven hours because I feel like we could fill every minute and still need more because I mean, this is something I want to go back really quick to something I just said.

I know I came off snarky.

I get it.

But we're not getting a lot of people calling to defend him anymore.

I'm not saying they've changed their mind.

I'm just saying they can't outwardly defend him because it's difficult because the moment you defend it, you have to personally reckon with the idea that you are saying that the man who's standing in that office saying vile, hateful, terrible things about various people, groups, cities, organizations, you name it, anyone who wrongs him is

against democracy, against America, the enemy, essentially.

You're all the enemy, whether it's the media, whether it's nonprofits, whether it's city mayors, cities on the whole, they're all the enemy.

And at what point do you become the enemy?

Because you won't be good enough one day, one day that your devotion will not, because you, because at the end, because no matter who calls in to defend it in the past, I'm going to bet.

Top dollar.

They're not billionaires, because those are the people who'll be left, the people who can give.

Even those folks who are diehard mega with a picture of Trump next to a picture of Jesus, and I'm not even being funny right now, that's

true.

That's a thing.

They won't have enough influence to keep them from being part of the problem eventually.

Like, do you think he cares about you?

No.

God, I don't know.

No.

We had a, we had a gentleman named Will West Marley, he's a farmer from Missouri.

And his thought was, you know, you don't have to tell me that you were wrong.

Just tell me that you were lied to.

And once you realize that, let's do this.

Let's work together.

Honestly, I am not here, I'm not here to na na na or say I told you so.

I don't like that.

It doesn't do us any good.

The moment you come to the realization that maybe this isn't the mode,

or version of America you want, that's when we come together and we start working.

Because right now, we're slowly having our options being robbed from us.

It's interesting that they're supposed to be the party of freedom and liberty.

And when those freedoms are taken away, you're tearing it

on.

Like, do you not see how those two things are in conflict?

You can't be the patriots.

I want to have this country and then be silent when all of your rights are being taken away as a citizen.

How

is that freedom?

And when you hear people online who happily go, well, maybe we need some authoritarianism or some fascism or a dictator.

Maybe we need that.

Those people are grifters.

Those are the people who want to be called out online so they can say they've lost their job.

They can set up a GoFundMe and make their rent for the next 10 years.

Don't listen to those people.

They're not right.

If you truly believe in your country and you truly believe in the motto of what we do here, freedom, liberty, justice for all, which is another conversation because terms and conditions apply.

But if the same viewpoint you have towards freedom was the same like say 25, 30 years ago,

You got to get on board with the fact that this isn't looking right to you.

You got to finally admit it You don't tell me you're wrong.

Tell me you were lied to

Yeah, and that's the thing is like there was a whole document project 2025.

Yes, and people didn't believe it and we try to warn people and they're like that's so ridiculous

that

can't happen That's not constitutional.

That wasn't the point Yeah, the Constitution clearly doesn't matter to these folks and we try to warn them and I've said this before is that people

we're willing to be played, then listen to black and brown folks, specifically black women, women, when we try to warn them.

And now look at where we are.

Yep.

We are currently in the FO portion of the story, I feel like.

So, yep.

So yeah, we're going to keep the conversation going throughout the day with all of our friends about these topics as we are pro-democracy.

We're here for the, we're here for the discussion, but we're going to turn the discussion to sports with Paul Noonan.

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Welcome back to Matt and air and air My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane Matt and air who is currently vacating relax relaxing and resting and we'll be back before you know it Word is she might be coming back on Monday.

We have to stick around and find out But you got me for the rest of the hour along with sweet Cal B on the boards my co-host for today our co-host not mine our co-host the community She belongs to all of us.

She belongs to no one.

She's her own

woman.

That's Angela Lang.

She is the

founder and executive director of black leaders, organizing communities.

Also a contributor to the recombobulation area for which she has won awards.

So she is here all morning with us and it is Friday, but that's okay.

He couldn't come on.

Well, he wasn't on Thursday.

We had some things going on.

We have him here today.

It's our sports guru, sports writer from the acne packing company, Mr. Paul Noonan.

How are you doing this morning, my friend?

I mean, I'm doing great.

It's probably good.

This is on Friday because we got an extra packer game

and it was a two and one

four five days Yep, two and one four five days and again two of the best teams in football from last season Yeah, things change a lot from year to year We'll see how I think the Lions have to be on fraud watch a little bit

But

it's also possible the Packers are just a buzz saw because they haven't just

won these last two games.

They have absolutely destroyed both teams.

Their defense in particular has been just an absolute buzzsaw.

The Michael Parsons edition

I don't think it could be understated in its importance.

They really just needed a pass rush to kickstart everybody else.

After him, everybody's fast.

This is one of the fastest teams in football.

Edger and Cooper and Kway Walker are like the fastest linebackers in football.

Evan Williams in the safety area is one of the fastest safeties in football.

Gary and Lucas Van Ness are two of the most athletic other edge rushers besides Parsons.

And once he's pressuring quarterbacks, there's no place to throw.

The coverage has been sticky.

The Packers have been an offensive-based team for as long as I've been alive.

They've had, you know, a smattering of good defenses here and there.

This may end up being the best defense they've had since, like, the Lombardi era.

They

looked

that good this early.

Okay, so I'm going to ask a question, and I don't mean to throw, I don't know, I don't know.

No, it's not, I don't know.

I'm not, I'm not a youth.

I don't know how the kids talk.

I don't know how, I don't want to directly contradict you though, Paul, but in the Acme packing company, according to your, your colleague, Justice Mosqueda said Packersby commander, yeah, Packersby commanders 27, 18 and what should have been a blowout.

Now it would, it looked like a comfortable victory when I was catching up.

I'm like, all right, they're winning.

They're winning.

Great.

But apparently.

So justice is right about that.

That is not because of the defense did anything wrong.

Just the the 18 points the commander scored a late touchdown Debo Samuel got one that where the Packers were just trying to run clock That's not the thing.

They left points on the field poor Matthew Golden the Packers rookie wide receiver who?

It looks very very good, but hasn't had production to match yet He had two targets in this game both of them were overthrows by Jordan Love

Both of them would have been touchdowns.

One was under thrown when he was wide open in the middle of the end zone and should have been an easy touchdown.

And one would have been like a 97-yard touchdown that he overthrew by like an inch and a half.

Those plays should have worked, frankly.

They resulted in, I think, a turnover on downs for the first one.

And then there was also just a random holding in the NFL is

A call that I feel like officials sometimes make just to keep things interesting because there's holding on every play

So

they do

On the Packers' third drive, I believe it was, after they had already scored twice, there was a holding penalty that just wasn't.

It was one of the rare plays when there was not an actual holding penalty that occurred.

And it just doomed the drive.

It moved them from second and two to second and 12.

And that drive likely would have resulted in points, too.

They left points on the field.

I mean, one of the scariest things about this Packer team is that's two games in a row where I think they've left a couple touchdowns on the field just by little tiny.

issues, little overthrows, little things that did wrong.

They can get better.

They have dominated these games while not being perfect.

If they put a perfect game together, like it's going to be like a 40 point blowout.

And I think that's really what justice meant here.

What I think is, is.

Oh, I understand.

I just wanted to start a little tiff because I'm

a

sassy boy.

I feel like, you know, that that can be equated to like how long would basketball games be if they called everyone for traveling?

Cause sometimes I'm like, wow, you're not even, you're not even trying to bounce the ball right now.

You're just walking up to the hoop and just being like, no, I get this cause I'm me.

There you go.

Um, I mean, you know, it's fine to be confident right now.

I think, you know, this victory last night, the victory on Sunday, both described as comfortable, good wins.

And moving forward, is there anything that they need to be on the lookout for besides like, you know, of course potential injury and injuries that, you know, they really need to keep an eye on moving forward.

They don't take their eye off of it so they don't lose sight of what's going on.

So the main thing the Packers have going against them, and the entire NSC North does,

They have one of the hardest schedules in football.

They don't have a ton of easy games.

One of their easier games is their next one against Cleveland.

But even Cleveland is pretty good except for their quarterback play.

They employ, Cleveland famously employs like five quarterbacks right now.

They drafted Dylan Gabriel and Shudder Sanders in the draft and still have Joe Flacco and they like traded Kenny Pickett.

And they lost in week one because of that.

But the Packers also

did suffer one pretty major injury.

Jaden Reed did break his collarbone in this game on a very, very good effort to catch a ball, did a nice job.

He's supposed to be out about six to eight weeks.

It's a blow, for sure.

Jaden Reed is an important part of the offense.

It is also a part of the offense where they are particularly deep.

For all of Jaden Reed's gifts and contributions to the offense,

He's a small guy.

He's limited to playing just in the slot, which is the area next to the line of scrimmage.

It's where the little shifty guys play.

Matthew Golden will almost certainly just step right into that role.

I'm not saying he's as good as Jayden Reed.

He's a rookie.

You never

know.

But he's as good a backup as you could possibly have to step in there.

Their outside receivers are still going to be Dantev and Wix and Romeo Dobbs, who are both off to good starts as well.

And as long as they don't suffer additional injuries.

they should be in good shape and able to weather this until, until he gets back, till he's back.

So that is one thing to keep an eye on.

Reed is, Reed's good.

It like, it certainly hurts them, but it's the position where they can absorb injuries the best of any position on the team.

This is one of those moments where I always say, this is a, a, a reason to watch the live stream because when Paul said broke their collarbone, both Angela and I both went, cause like, you can feel it snapping in your body.

You're like, no, this hurts.

Calvin,

do you have

any thoughts?

It's also an injury that also repeats itself.

When he comes back, it's worth keeping an eye on.

Collar

bones

are one of the bones that do not heal stronger, and they are vulnerable after you break them once.

So it's worth keeping an eye on that too.

Calvin, what are your any thoughts you have on what's going on?

Well, I guess just more of a question as sort of an aside about the Packers receiving depth.

Is there any chance that Christian Watson is going to play this season?

So there is probably a chance, but it won't be until very very late For those who don't know Christian Watson at the end of last season suffered a pretty catastrophic knee injury the Packers Did just extend him this last week He was going to be basically a free agent at the end of the season and both the Packers and Christian Watson don't really want that Nobody's going to pay for a receiver with the kind of injury he had until he shows

that he can recover from it.

And the Packers, honestly, could use Christian Watson.

They still lack for deep threats a little bit.

Romeo's been good so far, but it's not really his wheelhouse.

And so they signed kind of a proven contract for next year.

The timeline for the level of the injury can be up to a full year.

And it's just really

monitoring how he progresses.

If he is back, it probably won't be until like November at the earliest, more likely December, and it is entirely possible he just misses the whole season.

It was a bad one.

There was a lot of damage to a lot of ligaments in that knee, and it's a long recovery period.

So it'd be nice if they got him back.

Like in time for the playoffs, he is a difference maker, but it's very speculative on how really you won't know how he recovers until he actually gets back out there and starts running.

He's done a little bit.

He's looked good so far, but

There's still a ways to go.

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We're talking about the Packers win yesterday against the Washington commanders and

Angela, you, I think you and I are in the same realm of football fandom.

Like we like football.

We'll watch it.

It's not our driving sport, but like as a, as a casual Packer fan, how does it, you know, just seeing the victors, you're like, this is makes my day brighter.

Yeah.

It's great.

Also, um, my big thing is, as long as we beat the bears, I'm good.

It's a good thing that we beat the bears.

There's still stuff.

That's

it.

There you go.

Put that in the headlines.

As long as we beat the bears, Angela Lang is fine.

I am, I'm happy.

We had some revenge to get there, too.

I mean, they were not good against the Bears last season.

The one they won was on a blocked field goal on the last play of the game.

So, you know, it'd be nice to actually hurt them, not physically, but beat them by a significant amount this year.

We would like to beat defeat them on the battlefield of the of the squared rectangle.

So they

are a mess so far, by the way.

Of course they are, Paul.

No matter what a bear tells me in the preseason, never.

It is amazing how

much

history repeats itself with the bears.

I know bears

are a

ways away here.

But they right before this, they drafted a quarterback in Justin Fields.

They had a bad offensive line.

And Justin, to his credit.

So far, a really good season with the Jets has been a fun quarterback for other teams.

But his big problem in college was he took too many sacks.

We have good metrics on this specifically, which is if your pressure to sack ratio is above 25%, you probably can't play in the NFL.

And

his

was.

It was like close to 30.

It was just a problem he had.

He's very fast.

He's fun.