We Still Have A Voice…Use It (Hour 2)

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It's going to be a, it's going to be a thoughtful show.

We're going to be having a lot of discussions.

And I wanted to open it up with someone who I dearly love and respect here at civic media.

He's not only a coworker, but he's a friend.

He is the host of the Todd Alba show Monday through Friday is 2pm to 4pm.

Todd Alba.

Thank you so much for joining me at the top of the show today.

Greg Kelvin, I appreciate the invite and, you know, difficult day news wise, but it's good to hang out, have real discussions and conversations with people that you equally admire.

Thank you very much.

And before we get into the topic that I think everyone knows, we're going to get into the horrible shooting in Utah yesterday, which claimed the life of right wing, a podcaster, firebrand, however you want to talk about him, Charlie Kirk.

It's September 11th, and we want to take a moment to remember and keep in our hearts those who were the victims of the attacks, the families, the friends of those who were part of the attacks.

This marks 24 years since September 11th, 2001.

I'm sorry.

When 2,977 people were killed in terrorist attacks at the New York's World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a plane crash in Shanksville,

Pennsylvania.

As we're doing the show right now, President Trump is at a memorial service in New York City, commemorating those who lost their lives, whether they were victims of the actual towers, the first responders, anyone who was involved.

We are remembering them today fondly because they certainly gave their lives for this country.

Whether they knew it or not, whether they were in the buildings where they ran into the fires, they are remembered forever.

They will never, ever be forgotten.

So

On that note, I invited Todd here today because he had the unnecessary honor, not honor, but the responsibility, I should say, the responsibility of breaking the news on civic media as far as what was going on with Charlie Kirk.

And you always have an amazing way to put things like this into perspective.

And you were the first person I thought of.

So I just wanted to talk to you about it and say, you know, there's a lot going on.

And at the heart of it, and I know it's not popular because if you're on social media and following the people that I follow, it's not popular.

But I, the first thing I can only think of is that this was a person who was a father and a son and a friend, and I didn't agree with him at all.

Most of the things he said, I disagreed with vehemently.

I had a lot of problems with the things he said, but it, it did not warrant political violence.

Yeah, Greg, I appreciate the opportunity to be here and I think this is healthy, you know, I think it's healthy to have thoughtful conversations at difficult times and and that's partly what we're called upon to do to lead those discussions and I can only speak for myself, you know, I'm not here because I have all the answers and and I I really tried to Last night take the advice of

our own with Mathers and and take the advice of of Trivi Olsen, a longtime political strategist out the Lincoln Project that comes on our show a lot.

And I think our own Pat Kratlow is the same thing, you know, where none of us are obligated to live on social media, none of us are obligated to to put out social posts at time like these.

And I think that was really good advice.

And so I think on a day like today, at least for myself,

Maybe a little less pontificating and a little more listening and a little more thoughtfulness Goes a long way because there's there's gonna be time to pontificate.

There's gonna be time to Have feelings out there and I think the the really important thing at least and this is you know and shout out to Luke Mathers and and Dan Schaefer our political editor and Aaron Zomer is our fantastic producer because

You know, I get the privilege and the honor of being behind the mic and being on the air, but it takes everybody in breaking news situations like that to bring it to our listeners.

And I think it's really good to be based in fact.

And one of the most disturbing things during yesterday and even now into this morning is so many folks out there are making, are putting social media posts or opinions out there.

And we don't even know who the shooter is yet.

The two people that were detained and then let go have been cleared.

And now the latest press conference this morning from Utah, I believe there's the FBI director or the regional man said that these two individuals that were cleared, they have now been getting death threats of their own because they're out, he's like, stop it, knock it off.

And so I would just,

I get there's a lot of emotion right now But I and I look at myself when I say this as well Take a step back Take a breath.

Let's let the the truth suss out a little bit and figure out exactly what we're dealing with Before all of us just rush in with judgments about what the motive was who did this what's going on and I think the important thing at least for me today I'm speaking only for myself focus a little on the humanity and what I can personally do to

uh, tone it down a little bit.

Yeah.

I don't just agree.

I, I first and foremost think that, you know, we, we are a media network and we live on the media, the social media and to say, put the social media down for a moment.

I'm hoping I don't get tagged by

the

management, but you know what I'm saying?

I, you know, trying to bring the

levity to

any moment I can, but I had to do that too for two reasons.

One, for what you just said, as far as just like, Hey, I gotta, I gotta.

You know, I'm just going to watch Wednesday on Netflix.

That's what I'm going to do right now.

And that's literally what I did.

I had to escape for a moment because, and also the amount of people who felt it was necessary or appropriate to post the video of the tragedy happening.

I just, I got tired of hitting the hide button on my social.

So I just finally said, nope.

And our friend, Kristen Brie had some great posts on her social media platform about.

The fact that, and I will say it again, I am not canonizing this man.

I'm not saying he is a saint.

I will be very, very forthright in saying that the things he spoke about online, live, wherever, I pretty much, I don't know if there was a single point that I agreed with Charlie Kirk with.

But we both work in media, and we both are allowed the privilege of speaking our minds and speaking what we believe is truth to the power.

And whether you like it or not, Charlie Kirk was speaking his truth.

And that shouldn't come with such a consequence.

And that makes me think about, what am I saying?

Am I, am I inflaming people?

Am I angering people?

Now there's a point to which Todd, I say, I have to speak my truth.

I have to talk about this.

We are, I am a pro-democracy individual.

I want, I believe in America as a democracy.

But that thought,

Followed by those events are never far from my mind

Yeah, I appreciate you bringing up our friend and former colleague here at Civic and and she's at as they say another network now Kristen Brie She has an own social media as well She writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and what I love one of the many many things I love about Kristen is that she's so open and she's like this is who I am I'm sharing my emotions because

I think a lot of, or my thoughts, because I think a lot of other people are feeling the same way.

And that's what she did on her socials yesterday.

And then immediately somebody in her feed said, oh, why are you crying tears for Charlie Kirk?

Because he said so many terrible things.

And she did another social post and said, look, it's not so much that my tears were for Charlie Kirk specifically, but it's for our country and this moment that we're in and our society is kind of broken.

My paraphrasing, those weren't her exact words.

And at the end, she said, dancing on his grave is not helpful to anyone.

And she called that out.

Yeah.

And a conservative radio host, too.

I just don't think it's worth naming in Milwaukee.

And Madison, who rhymes with Old McDonald, goes after her.

goes after her, goes after her, and his producer goes after her, and they're calling her terrible, despicable things.

And I just think, boy, if I were an advertiser over on that channel, on that conservative radio network in Milwaukee and Madison, I'd pull my ads, because to your point, Greg,

I didn't find anything that I agreed with with Charlie Kirk.

I found his language and his rhetoric dangerous.

I think it targeted a lot of vulnerable people in our communities, but I certainly denounced and would never wish death upon him or anyone else.

Violence is not the answer of this country.

It's ballot box.

That's where we have our quote unquote political fights is at a ballot box and

you know, for other radio hosts on the conservative side to use this to attack someone who was just offering a human moment on this and twisting those words, that's despicable.

And I think it's really, really sad.

I think I don't disagree with you.

I was like I said, I put my social media down.

So I saw some of the videos and I reached out to her and we talked for a moment, but I imagine her day was taken up by all of that then.

And I think what, you know,

I like old McDonald.

I like that.

That's what I'm going to refer to as old McDonald on it, but it's It's about the fact that we also live in a world where What she's feeling I saw I did see a lot of on social media people who did not like him who were upset who were afraid who were sick of it we've been through this before over and not just and and and really quick I went I meant to say is up top to and we've said this yesterday, you know It should come as no surprise that civic media deplores and

Pours and does not stand for political violence.

It does not do anything to help the situation.

That is not where we're at.

That's not what we believe in Personally, I was shocked professionally.

I was shocked as a company.

We were shocked but We do live in a in a place now where and we'll talk about this a little bit more after we come back from our snack break But we live in a place where people are forced to

Do commentary on this whether they agree or disagree because they need to get the clicks the likes the rev the the ad buys the revenue and Unfortunately, people then look at those individuals and say well, that's what they think.

So that's what I should think instead of doing what Kristen and did publicly and I did privately which is Just trying to take a moment to think about how this connects us all as humans regardless of what we do or think how does it connect us as humans and you're right The answer is at the ballot box.

The answer is the conversations.

The answer is connecting and finding out

What brings us together?

And what do we as members of community, a state, a country need to prosper?

And that's where the convert, that's what that's, that's the action that has real value.

So I'm going to keep this conversation going with Todd all, but he is the host of the Todd all the show Monday through Fridays, 2pm to 4pm here on civic media.

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to

have the guests that I do today that I have on the show.

I have taught all the with me.

We are continuing our conversation about the horrific tragedy and

in Utah, what happened, claiming the life of Charlie Kirk, talking about how to feel feelings and really being okay with feeling your feelings because we live in a very big social media echo chamber and it's hard to maybe sometimes be honest.

If you want to be honest with us and call and text and we do invite people to be

positive and contribute to the commentary.

I understand that he, Mr. Kirk did inflame a lot of opinions and did make a lot of people angry.

It made me

angry.

It made me angry when I listened to a talk, but we're just trying to talk about how as yet again, another horrific act of political violence has taken place in this country on top of the fact it was gun violence on top of the fact that we, there was a shooting in Denver yesterday that put three people in the hospital.

All we can do is have the conversations at this point.

I mean, I'm waiting for our lawmakers to do something, but I want to start with two things.

I want to start with a tweet from a gentleman.

I don't think I know them, but Xander Moritz who said, and I think this is important because I think this is what you taught, you and I are doing Todd right now, which is looking at both sides of the truth, which is nuance.

I think that's an important discussion point is nuance.

He says, we can handle nuance.

We can agree that Charlie Kirk's rhetoric and actions have caused death and that murder is wrong.

We can agree that the Second Amendment matters that we need safe gun laws Celebrating Charlie Kirk's death will further his harm and I think that's important I don't think we gain anything by making it seem as you put it with Kristen's post dancing on his grave solves nothing and Cassandra on the live stream also said something that's been in my brain as well as my husband said we may not agree with him but the biggest fear I have is that there will be retribution from quote the other side and you

Kind of set yourself, Todd, was that these two individuals who were taken into custody and had nothing to do with it are now being targeted by the others.

And that's wrong

as

well.

No, 100%.

And I think anyone who is celebrating Charlie Kirk's death today just needs to take a long look in the mirror at themselves.

And it's certainly not helpful politically.

It's certainly not helpful safety wise for any of us.

Regardless of how I felt about Charlie Kirk, which is not someone I agreed with at all Our founders did not set up this country to solve our differences with guns or any other sort of violence It was set up to solve our differences at the ballot box.

That's all again.

I completely denounce his killing and there should be about to certainly not be retribution killings.

Here's a couple of quick things a People who are on social media be really careful.

There's a lot of

Russian bots as they say or people of Chinese people from outside the country who are infiltrating social media and Exaggerating on both the left and the right and putting lies out there to pit us against ourselves So that we implode upon each other quick example Laura Loomer Confidant of Donald Trump a big manga person There was something going around.

I took screenshots of it here and I'm like, did you really say that?

So I went to her Twitter feed and scrolled through.

She said about two sentences of what actually got posted under something that looked exactly like her real Twitter feed.

And so it exaggerated and made it look even worse to make it, it pits us against ourselves.

So it'd be very cautious of things being posted on your Facebook or Twitter or whatever feed that's out there.

Number two, I'm just, I don't know, Greg, did you experience this?

All right, you guys were smart.

I kept looking at everything last night.

I was astounded at how many people I have on my personal Facebook page.

They're kind of like quote unquote Facebook friends.

Like, okay, I knew them in high school or I knew them from my community, but we don't hang out a lot.

And I'm astounded how many people that you would say that I know folks.

I mean, you would say, yeah, they're good people and they are.

But they're reposting and putting things out there that Charlie Kirk was a saint.

And it's so connected to this, in my opinion, skewed version of Christianity.

And I just think it's so sad that all of our great institutions of faith, whether they're mosques or temples or churches or synagogues, would do all kinds of great work, communities of faith in this state.

But that has been bastardized by a political party who's using that to advance the agenda.

And I'm just, it impacted me of how deep this is.

And people that we're talking to, there is a very, use the word nuanced view of the intersection of perceived Christianity in politics.

And boy, I I think that's a someone once said a tough nut to crack.

And you know, I'm going to use this moment to plug the show from yesterday.

We spoke with Andrew Watkins, who's a survivor of a Christian nationalist community.

And I'm not going to put those people that you saw into the realm of Christian nationalism.

But what I'm going to say is that she speaks on the fact that, yes, the the religion of Christianity has been perverted over many, many decades and centuries, especially in the last five decades.

And

the teachings of Jesus have been almost abandoned from love thy neighbor and treat all with kindness and inclusion and respect and caring and service to I am saved you are not you're going to hell I am not and while we're at it let's take away women's rights to vote because they don't need it but that's something we talk about and it's like yeah it's that it's that that version of the religion that fits for you and then you

put it out

there

And someone who is a very, very imperfect person of faith on the Christian side, I'll leave it with a partial Bible verse, which is, never grow weary of doing good.

And I think that hopefully that everybody can be reminded of that today.

Do some good.

And because I think, at least I feel sometimes very unempowered.

And so do some good.

It'll make you feel better.

Todd, I appreciate you, and you do good by doing it every day here on the network.

2 to 4 p.m.

The Todd Alba Show, talking to the people.

I appreciate your time as always, and I'll talk to you sooner than later, friend.

Appreciate you, friend.

Take care, boy.

When we come back after the news, we have Jim Santel breaking down all the news from the world of law.

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Good, good morning.

Welcome back to Matt and Aaron air.

My name is Greg box sitting in Virginia Matt and air who was currently out, but we'll be back sooner than you know it.

And we are here today with a very, very a good show because we're talking to friends and we're having conversations.

I'm, I'm joined, of course, by Calvin Butenhof on the boards.

And we're just talking about the events of yesterday in Utah, the, the horrific act of political violence that claimed the life of Charlie Kirk.

who was the founder of Turning Points USA, a political firebrand, a right-wing commentator, an agitator for some, and we're talking about basically what this has left for people behind as far as

For me, personally, the feelings I have regarding my profession, regarding my personal life, regarding everything.

And I think it's important to have these discussions, I think, because we are all Americans and we are constantly being hit with these acts of violence, whether they're political or in schools or in shopping malls or in movie theaters.

But it's something we keep talking about.

And unfortunately, for my next guest, who is the host of Amicus Law Review, former U.S.

Attorney,

Amicus, by the way, is on every Saturday from 9am to 11am.

Unfortunately for Jim, he can't make me in charge.

Even though he's an attorney, he can't make me in charge.

He can't put like a sword on my shoulder and say, Greg, you're in charge.

Go fix everything.

Because it would take me a little bit.

I would do it.

It'd be fun.

But Jim, thank you so much for being here.

You're always here at 9.35 on Thursdays to talk about the pressing matters coming out of the world of law.

Talk about the Supreme Court.

We talk about, you know,

These cases to keep your eyes on and we'll get to one or two in a little bit, but what I wanted to start off with Was reviving a conversation that you and I had I think about two three weeks ago.

Yes when we were talking about gun violence again, right and one of the one of you know I'm on social media.

I see the videos all the time You can't have any sort of gun reform at all that anything Anything impinges on my second amendment you you can't you can't introduce

Uh, you can't ban, uh, bump stock.

You can't ban a weapon.

You can't put in a regulation.

You can't authorize training.

You can't certification.

Nothing.

I should be able to walk in anywhere, buy a gun two day, take it anywhere I want, hold it on my hip, anywhere I'd like.

That's it.

Because anything less would be an absolute infraction upon my constitutional rights.

Now.

I dramaticize that entire telling right there, but we all know people online who do this.

You have a different point of view and that is that.

We can have sensible gun regulations which do not harm our constitutional rights.

That's exactly right.

And like you and like, frankly, all of your listeners, I'm outraged by those people who say that I have an absolute, absolute right under the Constitution.

Greg, as you and I have also observed routinely,

There is no right in America.

There is no constitutional right that is unconditional.

Every single one of them.

Give me the right.

I can tell you what the restriction is on it.

Why?

Because we live in a society of people.

We live in communities where we not only care about each other, but we're concerned about each other's safety and security.

So let's pull back a little bit on that, that basically unfounded notion that there is a basically uncontrolled right for guns.

As late as 17 years ago, 2008, the Second Amendment was not interpreted in that way.

And in that year, there was a decision by the Supreme Court at the pen of a fellow that we talk about a lot.

His name is Antonin Scalia, and he said in a case called Heller v. District of Columbia,

for the first time in our nation's history that you have a right in your home to possess a handgun for self-defense of purposes and went back and basically invested in the Constitution for the first time the notion that there is a constitutional right to gun ownership and use.

That was dramatic.

of dramatic change from the past.

Just a couple years ago, that was reaffirmed a case called Bruin 2023, and it broadened the applicability of that onto the streets and said, yes, you've also got a right to carry those weapons.

Now, what's the point that we're both of you and I are making?

In both of those cases, including from the Pan of Antonin Scalia, what he also said in a major paragraph inside Heller adopted again by the Chief Justice and people like Brett Kavanaugh.

Nothing about that, those cases, establishes an unconditional right.

And indeed, government in the exercise of its proper duties to keep us safe and secure can place all kinds of, yes, I'll use all the words, restrictions, conditions, limitations,

on the manufacture, the transfer, the use, the ownership, the possession, the sale of firearms.

And that's what enables Congress and state legislatures around the country to impose those kinds of regulations and to get to the other point, which I know we want to chat about today, and that is that there are things, and you and I talked about this two weeks ago,

Inside that known constitutional rubric, there are things that we can do that will affect the gun violence challenge, the health care challenge that we have in this nation.

They're easy to know.

We know what they are.

They're bringing together the gun show loophole, universal background checks, safe gun storage, extreme risk protection orders, assault weapons bans.

I can go on.

And we know that these things work.

And that's the point, right, Greg?

We've talked about this a lot.

We know they work because in those states that have implemented these things constitutionally, according to what Antonin Scalia has told them they can do, what happens there?

The rates of gun violence, including mass shootings, there have been 309 mass shootings in America since January 1 of this year alone.

Mass shootings and other instances of gun violence dropped dramatically.

We know in the 1990s that when we had a 10-year assault weapons ban passed by the Congress, what happened again?

gun violence rates plummeted in this country.

It sunsetted.

It wasn't renewed by the Congress.

And what happens?

We go in the opposite direction again.

The point is, we know what works.

We don't have to go back and do more research.

With all due respect to the First Amendment, we don't need more national conversation about this.

We know what works.

Do it.

Make those changes.

And the final point I'll make before I jump on my soapbox is this.

418 days from today, we go to the polls, and we elect 435 members of the House of Representatives, and we elect 33 members of the United States Senate.

If you are serious about responding to the horror, the absolute meltdown tragedy of what happened in Utah Valley University and at Evergreen High School yesterday and in all those other places in America,

absolute tragic of the profound nature.

If you're concerned about that, you elect people in 418 days, not single-issue voters, but...

and reasonable, rational people who will take Antonin Scalia at his word and say, we know what we can do.

We're going to change America.

And we're not going to eliminate all violence, but we're going to make a big, big effort.

And we're going to accomplish something.

And so in 478 days from now, when that 120th Congress of the United States takes the oath of office as the next Congress of this nation, they can introduce language.

They can introduce legislation, the House and the Senate that implement at a federal level just like those many states, not here in Wisconsin, but in other states around the country that have done these things and you will see not the next day, but over time a dramatic reduction in the kinds of horrors that we saw again yesterday.

Americans need to understand the timing on this, the capacity that they have to make the change.

That's what you can do, and that's what you can do under the Constitution of the United States of America.

Our representatives, as you just said in the prior segment, have got to be compelled to make these changes for the betterment of all of us.

And in memory of, yes, the Charlie Kirk's and all the other people who have perished as a result of gun violence in America.

Well, I think the show is done now, Calvin.

We can go home.

Jim has said everything he needs to say.

We're just

going to pack it up and go to McDonald's, I guess.

Happy meals on me.

Uh, yeah.

If you're just joining us right now, Matt and Aaron air on the civic media radio network.

We're talking to Jim Santel.

He's the host of amicus, a law review, which is on every Saturday from 9am to 11am.

Don't catch it live.

Can't catch it live.

listen to the playback on, uh, on the, on the website, civic media.us slash shows or downloaded as a podcast.

It's amazing, amazing show.

I love listening to it.

Jim, a couple of things I want to say about that, all of those points.

First of all, yes, thank you for bringing up, bringing up the fact that in this country, what happened in Utah was a tragedy yet that same day.

Another shooting happened in Denver, sending three people to the hospital and no one was talking.

I shouldn't say no one.

I take that back.

Not no one, but it wasn't a new story on the major news networks because it's not about the tragedy.

It's about what's the ratings who's going to be watching.

And that's an unfortunate piece of the puzzle.

Second of all, when you talk about this, about the second amendment, talking about implementation of gun laws, two things come to mind.

First of all,

We have we have the ability to change another word for change Jim is amend amendment means we can change the Constitution because the founders also never meant for that document to be immutable and finally When we're talking about Antonin Scalia, we're not talking about some hippie-dippy liberal who believes the Constitution's a living breathing evolving document He was the originalists originalist and as someone who believes the text is in is is

applicable to how it was in the time it was ratified, the fact that he can have such open-minded ideas on what we can do with gun restriction, gun laws, and gun safety measures says a lot to me personally, that he was such a staunch originalist, but yet on this matter, he said, no, the Constitution does not mean everyone gets a gun.

Right, right.

Antonin Scalia, for what it's worth, this is going to date me, was my professor at the University of Chicago Law School before he became a member of the Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia before Ronald Reagan placed him on the Supreme Court.

And we saw then, I saw then again at the very start of my legal career, and we saw throughout his career that this is a man who again, you can disagree with him, but he was an academic.

And again, even the Heller decision, awful lot of criticism.

Maybe he gets the history wrong.

There are an awful lot of people who say that he has done that.

The Supreme Court has relied a lot upon history as we know well to justify things.

of all kinds in its jurisprudence, but the reality is just that.

Look at Heller.

and find that paragraph that begins, nothing about our opinion.

And then he goes on to say, nothing about our opinion should prevent any of the traditional long-standing government impositions of conditions on all of these things.

And he gives you a list, but it's plainly just an illustration, if you will, the kinds of things and makes it very clear that restrictions can be imposed.

And that's what we can do tomorrow, Greg, if we want to do it.

Nothing unconstitutional, nothing illegal about it.

It is a matter for legislative action.

Get those people in Congress and in other state houses, including right here in Wisconsin, to act in a way that's legal and lawful and make us more safe and secure virtually, virtually, maybe not right overnight, but in a short period of time.

How many days did you say until election next year, 400?

It's 418 until November 3rd of 2026.

And just as a reminder, we're not just voting for our federal government.

We're voting

for our state

government, too.

And you can find out more by going to myvote.wi.gov.

And we have Jim Santel sticking with us while we go grab some snacks and get some water.

But the live streams, loving what they're hearing, Jim.

Yes, Jim, you know what works.

Do it.

And Cassandra says, Jim is fired up today.

I'm loving it.

And Tom says the great Jim Santel.

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418,

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Apparently we are, right?

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So, uh, yeah, amicus, the law review, nine a.m.

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We were talking about the terrible shooting that claimed the life of Charlie Kirk yesterday in Utah.

Also, you know, really bringing into in the conversation.

And I, and I should have brought this up, but I didn't.

the fact that, you know, political violence in this country isn't a new thing by any stretch since our inception, but not even new or not even, uh, it, it's been happening more and more just in recent years.

And I saw someone post and I can't find it now, but post just all of the, the threats acts of physical violence against politicians and

It's, it goes in the same line, Jim, as, you know, when, when shootings happen, we say, this is a tragedy.

And then we move on.

We don't do anything.

And, and, and I think to what your point was earlier is that while we can sit here and have these conversations and we can agree because as the polling always shows, America agrees that sensible gun laws are not only important, but constitutional.

It's our leaders who are either afraid.

unaware or incapable and or just don't even want to do it because honestly like the gun lobby is strong and they can be bought.

Right and I often think about this question which again Greg you and I have pondered here on air and off when we when that day comes when we are speaking to our children and our grandchildren and maybe even our great-grandchildren and they say and they say gee what was going on great grandpa?

Great grandma.

Way back in 2021, 2022, even before that, of course, 2025.

I'm reading about this fellow named Charlie Kirk was assassinated in public while he was about to speak at a university.

You knew what the remedies for all of this were?

Why didn't you do something way back then?

I think about the legacy of the failure to act today and how history will record and I'll include all of us together because if we're not once again electing people to Congress who will take action on this, we are also maybe not complicit in the literal sense of that word but supporting this when we are compelled by the people who follow us, the generations to come.

asked about why it is we didn't stop this madness.

I'll also call it a health care crisis.

People are dying.

People are in the hospital this morning in Evergreen High School and the Evergreen area and other places around the country.

It is a health care crisis.

The question will come, why didn't you do something?

You knew it would work.

You knew you had test cases where it did work.

and you failed to act, explain that to me.

And I would offer to all Americans that there is no compelling answer to that question other than the fact that we've failed.

We've failed now and perhaps we're going to fail future generations.

That's the argument that you make to all those people who are going back to Congress who are going to our statehouse in Madison in the coming year.

And that just pushes for me the notion, well actually going back to your scenario, first of all, I'll be

great, great uncle Greg.

That'll be very great.

And I will be very, very grizzled on the front porch with my cane yelling at all the kids with their rock and roll music.

But I, when they say about Charlie Kirk, I'll say, well, ask me about representative Hortman in, in

Minnesota.

Ask me about Paul Pelosi.

Ask me about the, the, the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer.

Ask me about the shooting of Gabby Giffords in a parking lot.

we

had over

and over and over again and we did nothing and that is on the that is on the heads of our leaders and that is why we push the power of the voice at the ballot and that is why you need to go to my vote dot w i dot gov look at who represents you tell them what you want and if you don't like what they're doing well we have 1400 if we have 418 days

to find new representatives and vote them in and see if they can make a difference, because the difference is made by us at the ballot box.

As Todd said, that's how we fight our battles.

Right.

And to your very good point about political violence, it does absolutely nothing today, tomorrow, or any time to compare instances of political violence.

We've all got the list.

It goes in all directions and all variations.

All anybody needs to do is to condemn every single act.

Regardless of where it happened, who are the victims of it, it is all condemnable.

It is all contrary to the very fabric of our nation.

Condemn it all and say it cannot continue and then work to remedy it.

The discussions today which are out there to some extent comparing one to another saying, yes, what about

this?

Shame on you, shame on you.

That is not what this discussion is about.

Condemn it all and bemoan the fact that we still have a nation of gun violence that takes all of these lives, injures all these people when we know what we can do to remedy

the problem.

Jim, it's always great to have you here.

Have a wonderful weekend.

I'll talk to you soon.

It's good to be with you.

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He's also the founder of the multi award-winning recombobulation area.

And he comes here every Friday, but it's not Friday.

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It's not happening tomorrow because you're going to be up in Madison tomorrow, right, Dan?

That's right.

I will be, I'm going over to Madison tomorrow for a

Cap Time's idea fest, which has been going on all week, but you know, I wanted to make sure to check it out a little bit.

So I'm going to be there Friday night and Saturday.

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Tony Evers spoke last night as well.

And we carried it live here on Civic Media.

And you can go find that on civicmedia.us and under this special broadcast.

And you will revisit that if you want to.

listen to conversation.

I actually just listened to it this morning.

Cause I was unable to listen to it live last night, but I listened to it this morning.

Is a good conversation with, uh, with the governor.

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Absolutely.

I love it.

I love it.

And we want, I want to talk about that discussion, uh, that, that speech by governor Evers in a little bit, but you know, you can't get away from it right now.

Um,

I was sitting in the studio when I just saw the message come through and my day kind of stopped and it was and at one point I realized why am I this is it was it affected me so hard that I just couldn't understand it like I did my work and the work got done but like it just hit me and I don't know what you were feeling but I also know that in certain instances there are things that connect

I don't think you would ever hear this before, but connect you with Charlie Kirk and as much as you are a person who lives in the media sphere, you are a person on social media, you are a person, you are a father, you have children, you have daughters, and you put yourself out at live events to talk about what you feel.

And that's what I talked about with Todd earlier is that we are afforded the opportunity and the privilege of saying what we feel and that

should never come with a price so high as what happened to Charlie Kirk in, in Utah.

And I was just wondering for you, was there anything that you were feeling that was maybe even outside of the, the shock slash not shock because this happens all the time in America.

I just, I was, I was thinking about you yesterday and I didn't, wasn't sure how busy you were.

So I didn't be like, Hey, talk to me right now.

Yeah.

Well, first, I think, you know, first and foremost, it is just so awful.

The rise in political violence that we're seeing in this country, the shooting of Charlie Kirk that happened yesterday, it's reprehensible.

It must be condemned in the strongest possible terms every time.

We need to be better than this as a country.

We can have disagreements.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

And we'll have people on the show that we'll disagree with here from time

to

time as well.

But we want to resolve those disagreements by talking things through and being part of a democratic free society and not resorting to violence.

And I think this is... I mean, last I checked, they still haven't found...

the shooter, they haven't apprehended the shooter, so we don't really know anything about the motivations, what happens, so I don't want to speculate or whatever, but, you know, this is somebody who was, somebody, yes, I vehemently disagree with a lot of the things that he had to say, Charlie Kirk, but, you know, he was putting himself out there in a public forum and wanting to have a debate, and I might not really agree with what he had to say.

I'd be on the other side of that debate in many ways, but we should...

That type of thing is just so far beyond unacceptable and and you know, he's a father and I relate to him in the sense that he's also that he's a father of young children You know, I saw an interview with him a couple months back when he was a clip going around of him on

Bill Maher's podcast, I believe it was.

And he was talking about, you know, Bill Maher, like throughout the podcast is like drinking and smoking and like whatever and

all

that.

And Charlie Kirk, he's asking Charlie Kirk if he wants anything.

He's like, no, I don't drink, I don't smoke and like all of that.

And he's just, he was talking about how he's a man of faith and he, you know, certain things about becoming a father had changed him.

And like that is something I certainly relate to.

It's just like becoming a father there is certain

chemistry in

your brain

that changes.

And maybe Charlie Kirk would have had the opportunity to go on and live a life that that experience of being a father would have continued to change him in certain ways as well.

And that was something I certainly related to.

I actually met Charlie Kirk very briefly at the RNC last year.

I just was with somebody who knew him and introduced and said hi and that was it.

He just seemed to me like a tall Republican.

That was really it.

They have a lot of them.

There's a

lot of tall Republicans.

But yeah, just seeing some of the pictures and videos and things like that have been shared of him and his family.

And again, he's not somebody I agree with politically, but he's still a person.

And even I would want even people who I disagree with vehemently to have the freedom and safety to

to live their life the way they choose to.

And I think it's a heavy day.

It's a very heavy day.

Absolutely.

And I'm going to bring into the conversation something, and Calvin, feel free if you'd like to join in.

But I wanted to bring in something that we talked about before the show is that it is possible to condemn the actions of what happened yesterday while still keeping in mind

what you personally felt about his message.

I won't say I didn't like him.

I know it sounds weird.

I'm gonna say two things that are gonna sound incredibly naive, but I have a hard time saying I didn't like him because I didn't know him.

I didn't like what he said.

I didn't like his message.

I didn't like his brand.

I felt I have a lot of feelings in those and they're valid and they're legitimate and I feel right in saying that right now.

But I can also in the same breath say it is a tragedy to what happened.

It's a tragedy for this country It's a tragedy when it happens to other political leaders.

It's a tragedy when it happens at schools It's a tragedy when it happens at a mall.

It's a tragedy when it happens anywhere period Those two thoughts can live in my head and the other really naive thing I want to say is sort of hooked in I don't think it's where you are going, but it's I'll take it further is that in my brain there lives a place and

Please let me know if you feel the same.

Whether it's you, Dan, you, Calvin, or anyone listening.

Where I say, and I know it sounds dumb, what if he just changes one day?

What if he wants, what if something happens?

Not like this, but what if something happens where he just looks at the world differently?

He doesn't have to become my best friend.

He doesn't have to spout everything I believe in, but just something where he says, whoa, because we see people all the time who pull themselves out of the mega echo chamber.

Now granted,

These are regular folks I'm talking about, and they don't have anything to gain or lose.

Charlie Kirk, the brand, turning points USA certainly did, if he would have said one day.

I don't really know if I like Donald Trump.

There were repercussions there that would have messed with his paycheck.

And that's a whole other conversation.

But there is still always something in my brain that says, what if just one thing happened?

And he said, yeah, you know what?

Let's bring it back a little.

And then became a different kind of person in.

behind the mic and said, I

know.

And he

still could have very, very conservative values and things that I might disagree with

as

well.

But like, you know, he was 31.

Yeah.

Like, it's

just,

you know, there should have been a lot more living.

Yeah.

Um, and it's, it's, it's very, very sad.

Yeah.

If you're just joining us, we are Matt and Aaron air currently talking with civic media's political editor, Dan Schaefer about the tragic events in Utah, a gun.

political violence gunmen taking the life of right wing conservative influencer talk show host podcaster Charlie Kirk who died at the age of 31 yesterday and Calvin I see you up there with the mic.

Would you like to add please?

Yeah, I mean obviously this is a horrible disgusting thing that happened and I condemn it where I'm struggling with it personally

is

Charlie Kirk

Three days after a shooting in which three children were killed in a school Said I think it's worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so we can have the second amendment it is a prudent deal and I am horrified that he was killed but According to his own beliefs it is worth it to preserve the second amendment

And the thing is, Calvin, I understand those thoughts.

I think people, and thank you for sharing that.

I think I'm sure if you're on social media, as we are, we see a lot of people wrestling with a lot of thoughts.

I've seen a lot of clips and a lot of memes of things he has said as a way of saying, look, you know, this is who he was.

And I get that.

And the question I have on top of what you just said, Calvin, is that, okay,

what he has said in the past, he has now, it's become a part of that.

Where do we, and he's gone, where do we then take it?

As we were talking with Jim, like you and I, we can have this conversation and we've had this conversation.

We've been talking about it for years on and off the air before I ever got a paycheck from this company.

But at some point it comes to,

The buck stops somewhere and that somewhere starts stops in Madison stuff stops in your state capital start stops in the the federal capital We have 14.

I'm sorry keep on saying the wrong time 418 days until state and federal elections If we want a serious conversation, we'd serious leaders and if we don't have them now we need to put them in office and I've seen people on the comments saying we're not gonna have an election because x y and z and I understand that

But at this point in my mind, we're still having elections and we still have power and we can exercise that power by going to the ballot box.

And that's how we show our leaders what we want.

And then they maybe can actually do something about it.

And I think there's this piece of it too.

And, you know, I disagree with what Charlie Kirk had to say about the Second Amendment,

about gun

violence

and all of

that.

But what I believe is that nobody should have to suffer this type of tragedy.

And that we should have regulations and laws that...

and we should be taking action, there should be public policy to prevent gun violence.

That goes for people who I vehemently disagree with and people who I am in lockstep with on everything.

And there shouldn't be a litmus test that people are just like, oh, you know, like trying these like gotcha memes and stuff like that.

Enough of that.

Absolutely enough of that.

Because if you have certain values that you hold,

you know, live in those values.

Don't say that like those only apply to people who might agree with you politically.

Like that's not actually having any values then.

And I'll say this, and I believe it's just me.

I speak for nobody else but myself.

I feel like you undercut your own values when you celebrate these things or put in light these things, and then you are upset when they happen to you in the circle that affects you, the people who you love or the people you look up to.

If you are upset about them being the victim of tragedy,

But yet you celebrate it on the other side, that weakens the conversation.

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give us a call, drop us a line.

Let us know what that was when it was.

And did you shake your head or did you hold it up proudly and say, yeah, I want to know why these weeds have gotten so long this late in the summer.

But yeah, we're going to be, we're keeping the conversation going with Dan Schaefer, who is the political editor of civic media, as well as the founder of the recombobulation area.

And we've been talking about Charlie Kirk and the horrific tragedy that took place yesterday.

how we can cope, how we can move forward and what we need to do.

And I'm, and honestly, I think what we need to do is I want to talk about the fact that Governor Evers, this is a complete subject change, but I'm in charge.

So we're doing it.

You said earlier, Governor Evers was at idea fest in Madison for the cap times event and he was speaking.

What was he talking

about?

He's got, he put it on a story.

There was a story that came out earlier this week about the three things he can do in his last year.

What were those things?

Are they in this speech?

What is he talking about in?

I don't want to call his lame ducks period yet, but it's, he's got one year left.

Yeah.

Um, you know, I, he, so he had.

Speech last night in Madison with journalist David Moranis who is a biographer He wrote the biography of Vince Lombardi if any of our listeners may have may have read that one.

It's very good So it was just kind of a conversation about his legacy about his background, you know really went went went really deep into like his upbringing in Plymouth, Wisconsin and you know his his first job working at a cheese factory and scraping though his first job was

scraping the mold off of cheese and stuff like, so they really went into Governor Evers' background.

But also, you know, yes, talked about, you know, what he might want to do next, what went into, you know, his decision not to seek a third term, you know, and what

There are some of the accomplishments that he was proud of.

What are some of the things that he's learned in his time as governor?

It was a good conversation.

I was a little bit surprised that it didn't really bring up and discuss a whole lot of the events of the day yesterday about the assassination, about the shooting, and just like, again, it's a...

event with a politician speaking on stage publicly.

I don't know what impact this shooting is going to have on any kind of events like this that might be happening going forward.

So I was a little surprised they didn't talk about that a whole lot.

But yeah, I would encourage, again, encourage people to go listen to that.

You can listen to the full broadcast that we had on Civic Media last night.

You're going to be able to listen to another broadcast with Minnesota Governor Tim Wall tomorrow.

And I think Evers, one of the things that he talked about

But in this Journal Sentinel interview earlier this week, and in the conversation with David Moranis last night, was about fair maps.

And this is a conversation that's been going on for the last few weeks here.

President Trump initiated this call for Texas to say, hey, find me five more Republican seats and this back and forth with California.

And, you know, I think different people on the left have had different views of this and some saying, oh, we shouldn't, you know, unilaterally disarm or, you know, however they want to characterize it.

And Tony Evers said he wouldn't do it when it comes to looking for more congressional seats.

And he's just like, I've spent the last 20 years talking about fair maps.

I've talked about it as one of the.

proudest achievements as governor, as signing into new maps as he did, you know, in early last year.

And so he said he's just not going to do it.

And I think that is the, it's a pretty honorable decision.

And I think Tony Evers so often has a really good North Star about these things.

And it was, it's a, I think it's a smart, smart approach.

And it seems that, you know, he's not the only person from Wisconsin who has had that.

perspective lately.

And I think those of us who have been part of this gerrymandering debate over the past, you know, 10, 15, 20 years have seen Wisconsin crawl out from under these egregiously gerrymandered maps and

get back to, you know, fairer maps and hopefully on a path to having long term path towards independent nonpartisan redistricting.

And I think that is what Evers is looking to looking to do instead of, you know, just get into this arms race of

Hey, can we pick up it?

Can we Jeremiah an extra seat here?

Can we Jeremiah an extra seat there?

And he said he's not going to do it.

I have a lot of respect for him for that.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

He's always, I mean, he says the hard things.

He says the things we don't like.

And I don't disagree with him either.

And, and I know you and I talked about this on your, on your Twitter feed.

You took flack for, you

know,

disagreeing with Newsom

disagreeing with Newsom, but I mean at the end of the day, that's all you were doing.

You were disagreeing.

You weren't, you're not an influencer of policy.

You can't make governor Newsom do what he wants.

You can just simply say what you believe.

And I don't disagree because for me, it's not just about the fact that

It's 20 years of trying to get fair maps in this state, but it's also all right cool Texas does it then California Who's next then who then who

then hurry then Vienna then Maryland then it's just it's this race to the bottom and I think and again It's it's this it's similar to this same type of conversation We're having about Charlie Kirk about people saying like oh that he said this and they did this today deserve that you got to stop aiming for the

you know, just the back and the winning the back and forth batter battle and aim for some higher ideals at the end of the day.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And the final thing I'll say on that as far as like the the redistricting goes is that, you know, while we I agree and I say like the battle plan is bad, we also have to look at the top who said, give me what I want.

And I need people who think Donald Trump is all encompassing correct and infallible to say, maybe that's not the first

That's not the right move.

Just for the president to call the governor and say, Hey, give me what I want.

Cause that's not how you run a country.

It's not even how you run a business.

Honestly.

But what do I know?

I don't, I only run a business and I have a show here on the, on the network, which is civic media.

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And they're still the Dodgers in my heart.

Sure.

Okay.

On the September of the 18th, Thursday, it's going to be against the world champion Dodgers who we just happened to sweep.

We're not talking about the last sweep against the Brewers.

That didn't happen, but that's going to be the ticket you're going to win for.

So you're going to get the civic media app.

You're going to get that keyword.

And it's going to happen throughout the day, every show throughout the day from.

Mornings with Pat Crite low all the way up to night light with Pete Schwabble will have a keyword and every time you hear the keyword you can enter in just once but you can enter in for a chance to win tickets to go see the Brewers take on the Los Angeles Dodgers on September the 18th it will be an amazing showcase as we get closer and closer to that magic number but get that civic media app in life and also you can take it anywhere in the world Dan anywhere in the world

anywhere in the world and you can listen

And you know what I like about the Civic Media app?

What do you like about the Civic Media app, Dan?

If I'm driving across the state.

Yeah.

You know, you might have your local Civic Media station that you have on plugged into your car preset or whatever.

But if you're driving across the state, you know, you might lose the signal coming in and out.

If you listen to the Civic Media app, you can listen to the whole show of Matt Nair on air while you're driving across the state.

That's what I like about it.

That's how you

live a good life.

That's right.

And...

We've gotten text messages from Vienna, Germany.

We've gotten text messages from New Zealand.

I even got one from Tempe, Arizona, all over the world.

You can listen to us, but yeah, get the Civic Media app in your life.

Get ready for free ticket Friday.

And from what I understand, what I've been told by the Civic Media gods above that there is another text to win contest coming soon.

We'll have more details as we, as we have them, we'll share them with you, but that's just good living.

Get that Civic Media app and you can find news and whatnot.

I'm going to keep talking about the Civic Media app for the next four hours.

Sorry, Todd Alba.

I'm taking over.

He's not listening.

All right.

We've been talking a lot about very heavy topics today.

It's

a heavy day.

It's a heavy show.

It's a heavy show.

And I just want to repeat also two things.

One, our hearts and our thoughts and just the remembrance of those who lost their life 24 years ago on September 11th.

We mentioned it up top today is the 24th anniversary.

whether they were the families, the friends, the first responders.

Truly, it's probably all over social media right now, but we shall never forget.

Seriously, we can never forget, and we must learn.

I'll say that.

I also want us to take the time right now to say thank you to Dr. Kristen Lyrely, to Jim Santel, to Todd Alba, and to Dan Schaefer for being not only here with me, but being here for me today because a lot of feelings were had in the past 24 hours or so, a little less.

I wanted to process them in a way that could be helpful.

And I wanted to have conversations with people that I trust and love that would be helpful.

And they stepped up and I cannot thank them enough.

And I thank you guys for being there.

And I want to thank everyone for listening and contributing their thoughts and ideas too as well.

And we thank you, Greg, for holding it down.

Stop trying to give me a

compliment.

I can't take it.

Midwestern.

We're going to take a right turn.

or a left turn, or we're just going to get off

the top.

We're

turning.

We're turning.

We are going

to

find the off ramp towards somewhere that has cheese currants, actually, because

this

is now time for a segment we call audio sore bay.

And the question today on the audio sore bay is when did you start talking like your parents?

When did you start saying things that they say when did you like, you know How old were you where were you remember where you were when you said something and just popped in your brain like oh no I sound like my mom or on the other side of it Hey, that's something my mom says and you kind of like felt a little bit of pride You know, I want to know from you 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic leave a comment on the live stream call up

Let us know.

I want to know, Dan, do you have, you are of an age, you are in your late thirties, you have a home, you have children, you have cars to pay for, you have adult responsibilities.

Do you have a moment when you felt like, oh, I talk like my parents now?

You know, I don't think there is like, I, oh, I talk like my parents now.

I don't, uh, not so much, but I think when you become a parent, you just

Start saying things that parents, your parents said.

to you when you were a child.

I think there's a lot of those.

And I think there's like just like a couple, my grandpa was a pretty colorful character.

And he had a few things that he would say.

And one that I have, I started saying all the time and now my daughters will say it too.

So if you take like a long car trip or something during the day and you come back home at the end of the day, he will stop in the driveway and he'll had this certain cadence with the way he said it to you, go back the same day.

And so now whenever I go on a car trip or whatever and I like, if we're, if we're, you know, just out and about for the day and then we come back home at the end of the night and it's a busy, busy day, I'll pull into the, pull into the garage and say back the same day.

And now I'll turn to my daughters and just be like, who wants to say it?

Oh

God,

that's so cute.

Oh my God.

I, I, you know, I have a few things and

One, you're making me think, you're thinking, you're making me think of the, you know, the car rides I would have with my dad.

And we'd get in the car, we'd put our seatbelts on and he would say, we're off like a dirty shirt.

I can remember him saying that specifically ever, like, and he always said, and it always made me giggle.

It always made me laugh.

And I loved, and I don't say it now just because like, I'd be saying it to myself.

I drive alone a lot, but,

Yeah, that's that makes me really smile now Calvin you are of a certain age you are in your late 20s you are You are young millennial or are you old Gen Z?

I think I'm technically old Gen Z. I was born in 98 I think that puts me in the first year or couple of Gen Z that sounds about right.

Yeah, okay Are you at the point now where you start?

saying things that your mother or father says or repeating phrases or even like, you know, if your mom, if your mom says something, the effect of you got to rinse the dishes before you've been the dishwasher, you actually say to yourself or other people, or you firmly believe in it.

Like I'm just kind of, do you have any of that yet, Calvin?

I can't say that I have anything specifically that's coming to mind, but similar to Cassandra's comment on the live stream about not knowing exactly when it happens, but people telling you that you're just like your parents.

Most of the time it's out of frustration, but my mom often tells me I'm just like my dad.

That doesn't make you feel good, doesn't it?

I think she's wrong, often times when she says that.

Just like

your father would think she

was

wrong when she said

to him.

But yeah, I would say it's mostly man, unconscious mannerisms that I've probably talked

about.

Okay.

Yeah, I definitely have that of my mom.

I have ways of laughing that I, that sound like my mother when she laughs and I, my mother says, uh, yadarhe or haydair.

She also says anahey.

And I for a

while, she's from Wisconsin.

I take it.

Yes.

Very much

so.

Uh, and she, and I used to say, Oh, the other one, actually the one she says more than anything, and this is where the story connects.

There you go.

And I used to say Ufta to make fun of her so much.

And then one day something happened where I went Ufta and I just had this.

I felt like a part of my brain exploded.

Cause I realized she was not there.

I wasn't it saying to anyone and I wasn't trying to be funny.

I had just forced it into my lexicon.

So now is where it sits in my brain.

And I say it

regularly.

Andrew from Maine says, similar to yours, Greg.

your parents said off like a herd of turtles.

I love that one.

I

love off like a herd of turtles.

All right.

He also goes on to say, pulling up this amazing civic media app to listen to the last few minutes of Matt and Aaron air and found out it was the recombobulation Friday with the man, Dan Schaefer recombobulation Friday on a Thursday on a Thursday.

And we want to know folks, when did you start talking like your parents?

What did you say?

When did it happen?

Did it make you feel good?

Or did you go, Oh,

Darn it, they were right about so many things.

I mean, I don't, I feel, personally, I didn't push away from it.

I mean, my mother is great.

My father was great.

So therefore, I don't mind sounding like them, but I will say that I feel more and more like my father now that I own a house.

I have hard opinions on the lawn.

Like,

and

not to be funny either.

Like, I get legit, like,

Frustrated I get like yeah, I hit my father the lawn was his was his was his canvas and I'm starting to every I start I think more and more about like I should get a Chain weed whacker to and we should get out like all these things.

I think you're thinking about hardware store runs.

Yes Dan I'm telling you I live between two ace hardwares and

I think

every Saturday or Sunday today's the day where I buy

you know, some piece of lawn care equipment.

And I'm going to get that burst of serotonin in my brain that says, I've got it.

The lawn is mine.

And then when it looks good,

I mean, you feel good about it though.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, there are problems right now.

There are some weeds growing that you take care of.

There's some landscaping that needs to be handled.

But overall, yeah.

Yeah.

So you've taken that on as much as anything as the...

inherited trait of lawn care obsession.

Frederick Bach,

I am