Policing Words Is Where You Find The Freedom (Hour 2)

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No, Greg, I'm doing fantastic.

It's Friday.

We made it.

We certainly did make it.

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The weekend has arrived and we have a packed super packed show for you at 9 35 this morning.

We are going to be welcoming retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein, who is the executive director of law enforcement action partnerships.

She will be here to talk about

the recent attack from the president on cashless bail.

We're going to talk about what cashless bail is, why it's important, how it serves communities, and what getting rid of it will mean for those who are incarcerated in jail awaiting their trials.

So Diane Goldstein will be on the show at 9.35.

And then of course, it's Friday, Calvin.

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There was a story that came out last week and I want to cover it today because everything's happening so quickly.

Everything's happening all the time and it's I wanted to tie it in with JD Vance coming to Wisconsin last Friday.

where he had plenty of things to say about Milwaukee.

He felt like we were not taking the quote, offer of help from President Trump to occupy the streets of the city, because apparently the crime is so bad, it's not that we need federal troops on every corner to police our police, to police our people to, you know, just be here as a overarching, I think almost a threat, but you know, yeah, let's stick with that.

because if you don't know already they're in DC and I have friends who live in DC and they're not keeping the streets clean and safe in the way I believe it's being portrayed they're hanging out I mean they're they're walking around they're on the corners they're

showing a presence, and of course it intimidates people, it probably keeps individuals from committing crimes, but they're also hanging out at the train station, asking people for their identification, asking them where they're going.

That's not what they're supposed to be doing, and we heard from a Los Angeles judge this week that the president, quote, cannot be the country's police chief.

My point being is that JD Vance was in town last week, and he was talking about that, but one of the reasons

We thought it was very interesting.

He was here, especially in La Crosse is because there was a release last week from Governor Tony Evers saying that the big bill for billionaire will cost Wisconsin taxpayers more than 284 million dollars also kicking around 270,000 people off of their health care coverage is going to affect rural areas

rural hospitals, we're going to kind of keep that theme going through the first half hour.

And I want to hear from you, everyone listening right now, I want to hear from everyone who is on the, you know, listening on the live stream, who are listening on the radio or listening on the app.

Do you live in the rural areas?

How is your access to hospitals right now?

How are you doing right now in all of this?

Because as we've been talking, we've been talking on this show, how the bill is going to decimate the rural areas as far as access to hospitals.

Possibly access to voting because they want to get because the president wants to get rid of mail-in voting and vote and change the voting machines So I feel like We're just seeing the rural areas be hit and hit and hit and I want to hear from you Do you live in the rural areas?

How is your access to hospitals?

We've had some closures in the past year It will only get worse apparently and that is because of this big bill for billionaires and if you are on

Socialized medicine, whether it's Medicare or Medicaid, how are you preparing for what's coming down the pike?

Because as we've said before too, as well, this does not stand to take effect until after conveniently Calvin, after the 2021, 2026 midterms.

So right now, no one's going to see much of a change.

So people are going to say, Oh, I don't see a change.

The thing is great.

We're doing whatever, you know, but after 2026 into 2027,

That's when we'll see a lot of the damage being done.

And if you are in the rural areas, I want to know how you're doing.

I want to know how you're preparing.

I want to know if you see a change already just in your everyday life, because people are starting to ask questions.

Governor Evers said that the taxpayers will lose about $284 million in future budgets, $142 million annually.

because we do bienniums will force 270,000 Wisconsinites to lose their health insurance and tens of thousands of Wisconsinites to lose access to basic food necessities because.

They're not there.

I'm sorry, I don't want to say canceling.

That's not it.

They're not canceling, but they're greatly reducing the access to things like snap.

And I bring up snap specifically because that has a tie in directly with the state because

Congressman Derek Van Norton said that snap benefits wouldn't go down a nickel.

I'm not going to make you listen to the audio again.

Take my word for it.

He said it.

Snap wouldn't go down a nickel.

Well, because of the big bill that he voted for, the first version, the second version, the third version, three times he voted for this.

Snap is going to go down.

So your access to food.

benefits will go down or go away.

The Wisconsin Department of Health Services released a statement saying there were the big, beautiful bill will have devastating impacts on access to basic health care and food services that Wisconsin seniors, families and kids depend on every day.

By the way, this is coming from WEAU 13 news written by the staff has the by has the byline on this one, but

The budget passed.

It's not old news.

We got to keep talking about this because if anything, I don't want anyone to be surprised, but when next year we're just sitting there going Doesn't seem to be bad.

Everything seems to be fine because we're waiting for that 2027 new year This big bill for billionaires is going to hurt all of us and it's going to hurt

Rural people specifically and I want to hear again eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic Leave a comment on the live stream.

I Want to know do you live in the rural areas?

How are you doing?

How are you faring?

How are you preparing for what's coming down the way here?

Tony on the live stream says DVO is the worst plate play it until it's ingrained in people's brains Don't let people forget he lied over and over again about cuts.

It's true

And Calvin, if you'd like to find that clip, go ahead.

We can play a little bit of it, but it's true.

He sat in a room with professionals and said, snap would not go down by a nickel, his words.

And he grew up a young man poor.

That was his whole milieu about the entire thing is I grew up a poor man, a poor boy, government cheese, government assistance.

And so he believed he quote had a vested interest in anything, but he didn't.

He voted for the bill

that's taking away the benefits.

He voted for the bill that is going to close more hospitals.

He voted for a bill that is going to take away health care from the people.

And by the way, he's not the only Republican who voted for it in Wisconsin.

They all did.

But my heart right now is in the rural areas and saying, how are you doing?

Because as we're mentioning here right now,

The governor put out a statement saying that the bill will cost $284 million to Wisconsin and kick 270,000 people off of healthcare coverage.

And in another story on a spectrum news one, Charlotte Scott with the byline, it says reports show three rural hospitals in Wisconsin are at risk of closure.

And you know how we knew that this is a big deal is because after Derek Van Orton voted for the blueprint,

Then the bill and then the finalized bill that came from the Senate He then called governor evers to say you've got to save the hospitals At what point was he ever going to stand up like a man like a man he claims to be

and say, no, not for my people, not for my district, not for my state.

We need to help our people.

We need to help those farmers because he believes he's of the farming class.

He is sitting on the ag committee.

Well, nothing happens with the farm bill.

And he did nothing.

He voted the way of Trump.

He essentially voluntarily and knowingly put us in harm's way.

because you are going to see a decrease in budget monies from the federal government, most likely.

You're going to see a decrease in your healthcare.

You're going to see closures of hospitals.

Tony also on the live stream says, my wife works in a slightly larger health system and they are looking at potentially buying up independent hospitals when the cuts force independent hospitals to potentially close.

Well, at least someone's doing something because right now our congressmen, our representatives, our quote, leaders are doing nothing.

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How are you coping right now?

There's going to be a lot happening with this bill coming down the line, affecting our rural folks.

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But we were talking about the effects of the big bill for billionaires, the big, beautiful blob of a bill.

And I want to connect this in with the fact that a Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

appeared on Capitol Hill yesterday to be essentially grilled by the Senate.

Republicans and Democrats alike, and we have a small clip of that really quick.

If you have any idea of how it went, this will give you a representation of the tone.

Calvin, can we play that clip?

Mr. Secretary, do you agree with me that the President deserves a Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed?

Absolutely, Senator.

It also surprises me.

because you've canceled $500 million in contracts using the mRNA vaccine platform that was critical to Operation Warp Speed.

Again, an accomplishment that I think President Trump should get a Nobel Prize for.

The reason that

Operation Warp Speed was

genius.

It is something nobody had ever been done.

I don't think any president, but President Trump could do it.

Do you accept the fact that a million Americans died from COVID?

I don't know how many died.

You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID?

I don't think anybody knows.

How can you be that ignorant?

Just for clarification, the Secretary of Health and Human Services thinks that Operation Warp Speed deserves Donald Trump a Nobel Prize.

even though he doesn't believe in the vaccination.

There were 103,436,829 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 1,226,351 COVID death.

This comes by way of papers from our world and data, as well as Johns Hopkins University.

The fact that that man does not know those numbers is frightening to me.

The fact that he does not understand

That the vaccination actually served a wonderful purpose that all vaccinations serve a great purpose and the fact that we are we are looking at a world where we will We have been looking down upon that is a hold of the conversation by the way That whole clip is two and a half minutes long and it includes straight-up arguments But my the reason why I wanted to bring it up and it connects with what we were talking about before is

The New York Times put out an article about the five takeaways of RFK Jr.'

's appearance on Capitol Hill, and one of them being rural hospitals and pharmacy benefit managers rounded out the discussion.

$50 billion has been bandied about in funding the Target's hospitals and clinics and rural areas, because by the way, I just want to bring up one other point too, and I think we don't talk about this enough, everyone, is it's not just hospitals that are closing, it's clinics.

Clinics in rural areas also close and they serve a specific purpose for specific services.

They are closing as well.

$50 billion in funding targeted to hospitals and clinics in rural areas.

Sounds great, but $50 billion will only go so far.

Unfortunately, Bernie Sanders brought up the fact that the legislation that was passed was expected to result in a net loss of $100 billion

in funding as a result of Americans losing their insurance because of the rollbacks on the programs.

So I just wanted to bring that up again because we are looking at a bill that is going to be hammering on our rural areas, closing hospitals, closing clinics, throwing people off of their health insurance.

We've talked to Dr. Kristen Lierly about this a lot.

They will have to travel further for access to health care, and that is difficult.

Some of these individuals may live hours from a hospital.

But that is what our Wisconsin legislation, Republicans at least, that's what they voted for.

They voted for a bill that would do that to us.

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I am so very, very excited, happy and honored to have our next guest on the show retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein is the executive director of law enforcement action partnerships.

And she is on today because we received

A press release from their group regarding cashless bail and the attacks from the president on this matter.

But first, I want to say welcome to the show, ma'am.

It's great to have you here.

Thank you so much for sharing your time with us this morning.

You know, Greg, my pleasure.

We're incredibly honored because the way that we change our communities for the better is through public education and

fun and rational discourse.

Absolutely.

Now tell us about you.

You are a retired lieutenant.

You are the executive director of this group.

Tell us about you and tell us about the law enforcement action partnership.

Sure.

So I started policing in 1983 because I'm old and I retired as the first female lieutenant for the city of Redondo Beach in 2004.

So my career really set the stage for the future advocacy work because I saw the failures of the criminal justice system to treat and prevent crime because we were criminalizing socioeconomic issues that we would never be able to fix, right?

We're like we should be the last

straw into that big punch bowl of criminal justice world, not the first.

And so I did narcotics work.

I did gang work.

My narcotics work was I ran an eight man surveillance unit.

I started a school resource officer program so we can laugh about about bail because I had an egg thrown at me kind of similar to the sandwich issue, but we laughed about it, right?

It's like, you know, I look at the sandwich guy as a

Hero almost kind of in a banksy type way in DC.

There's all sorts of Street art popping up with the sandwich guy throw throwing sandwiches at certain members of the administration, right?

But so I saw the distinct failure very specifically around the issue of our drug control strategies that have never been based on saving people's lives.

They've always been based on turning people through the system.

And my brother, who, my older brother, who, you know, there's kind of the joke in law enforcement, you know, what separates cops and crooks?

Not much.

We veered right.

Somebody else feared left and that was the story of my brother and I but he suffered from mental health issues.

He was bipolar substance use disorder and So he got in trouble.

He was a risk taker and I saved him on a number of occasions then he became a person in recovery and

after 20 years of being a person in recovery and being successful is he died from a drug overdose because he lost access to his health care, his psychotropic meds, his therapists, and started self-medicating again and got stuck back into the criminal justice system.

So, you know, it's not that I joke and kid and try to poke fun at his death, but sometimes that's just the way that I deal with issues is that could have been me.

And we joked about it for years.

I became a cop in some aspects.

He became a crook because he was cooking math for really bad people at one point in his life.

So the law enforcement action partnership, I mean, the name can conjure up certain, like you can hear it, law enforcement action partnership.

People can make assumptions on it, but really, and during our break, you kind of gave me a little taste of what you do and more so what you are.

uh endorsing or you know what you believe in tell us more about that group but what you

do sure the law enforcement action partnership was uh founded in 2002 but back then we were a single uh focused non-profit educational group that four retired american cops one active duty canadian cops um

Understood the damages of the drug war and started the organization called law enforcement against prohibition So we were the outlier cops that were dismissed as being the crazy cops because we would you know, they would stand on on Capital steps across the country and across the world and say cops say legalize drugs ask us why and back Right and back then it was really like people were really taken aback

And so from there, we ended up recognizing in 2017 when I was a member of the board and not the executive director, is that we actually had a lot of folks in the criminal justice system from police chiefs to attorney generals to AUSAs.

to the the gamut of the criminal justice system anyone who touched it who were like hey we love your message and we completely agree but we can't say those filthy words

yeah right that's so so that's something that you know i think when we talk about the relationship and the fraternity of the police force the the policing in like

You know, what, what, what did, what did, uh, Eisenhower call them?

The military industrial complex, the, the policing industrial complex, there is definitely a line that seems to be towed, that needs, that has to be, has to be agreed upon or else there are consequences.

And I don't really, we're here to talk about cashless bail, but I think that's important because I think what you're bringing up is the fact that while policing as an entity may be a monolith.

Police officers and police work with the humans within that organization are not they have opinions and unfortunately they can't Always say them out loud and I cannot believe and I know for a fact cuz

I used to work at a place and I remember listening to a young police officer and we're seeing 24 years old saying, do you think I want to arrest people for carrying a joint?

I don't.

That's not why I signed up.

I don't care if

they get high.

But this is, I think what you're saying is what people need to hear because it also brings nuance to the discussion of the policing industry.

Yeah, and getting to cashless bail because this is a very controversial point in policing right now.

There's a lot of very similar rhetoric that's being used by criminal justice professionals, but there's a lot of law enforcement professionals.

And I think to the point of where our organization is now, we provide public safety solutions that are innovative forward thinking.

And what our organization has done in many aspects is we've dragged the policing profession kicking and screaming into the 21st century on a significant number of issues.

And I'm incredibly proud of that.

I have countless stories of messaging.

What you do is you message.

And we can change the narrative of policing and make them critically think of what's the proper role of policing?

It's about gaining the trust of our constituents and thinking about wielding and enforcing laws with a scalpel, not with a cudgel.

Right?

And cashless bail, I think, is right for that discussion because I think that people

think about cashless bail as it's going to release all these really bad criminals and I would suggest to you it's actually the opposite that what we should be doing is cashless bails provides the criminal justice practitioners and very specifically judges the ability to design systems that are threat based bail.

decisions and that's what's going to protect the public and as I recall in Wisconsin a few years ago there was a lot of controversy around this issue because you had wasn't wasn't at the parade where it is he had been released on cashless bail for a low level offense and then this happened and there were calls to change the Wisconsin bail system

we should really look at who's the danger first and foremost.

And then the secondary issues should be, are they going to appear in court?

Well, and so if you're just joining us right now on Matt and Aaron, we're speaking to retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein.

She is the executive director of law enforcement action partnerships.

And we're talking about cashless bail.

And the reason why we're talking about is because your group put out a press release.

Either earlier this week or I think was last week about the fact that President Trump has focused his target on this system and For me personally, I had never heard a cashless bail until a few years ago And I think at I know I know at first my my first thought was wait What what do you mean cashless bail and all it did what it took like a half an hour of reading to realize Oh, this is this is a system based in criminalizing being poor.

It is about right

Packing are not just our it's not even our prisons.

It's our jails because it's people who are awaiting trial and When we look at if we're setting bail for somebody We look at their threat.

Are they a flight risk?

Are they do they have previous do they have do they have a do they have a record if someone isn't Fitting that there is nothing.

There's nothing there to say.

Well, you are out until this date for your courts your court date, then you must come back

If you don't, you are then going to be arrested for jumping either jumping bail or whatever.

But that was the thing for me is is having my mind blown by a very simple fact that not only can cashless bail exist, but it's not detrimental to the community because it's not just letting everybody out of the door saying come back in a month or two months.

It's more nuanced than that, of course.

Yeah, and I know that we're probably gonna be taking a break shortly is I think you just said something that's so critically important is we have to start looking at the totality of the criminal justice system as multiple

layers that all need to be connected and instead currently we silo public safety away from everything else that is more efficacious is based on empirical research and actually leads to public safety.

So we need to stop thinking and using rhetoric to define what public safety means.

I think one of the things too is we have to destigmatize or maybe the better term is

take I'm gonna get I might get comments for this but please let me say it folks take public safety law and order off the pedestal because when we we have put it there so any changes seems like we're trying to upend the system whether it's saying we don't want to defund the police I'm not talking about that we don't want to do X Y and Z it's more about the fact that we're trying to modernize the system and when we come back after the commercials I want to talk about the benefits

cashless bail actually has on the lawyers, has on the police officers, the buildings that hold them.

And the fact that this doesn't just benefit the people who are arrested, it benefits the community on the whole.

But we are talking to executive director of law enforcement partner, law enforcement action partnership, retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein is our guest today.

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retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein, who is the executive director of law enforcement action partnerships.

We're talking about cashless bail.

And the reason why we're talking about it is because recently, President Trump has aimed his bullseye at cashless bail.

It is a program that has been coming that's been that was started years ago and is becoming more and more popular.

And we're talking to the retired lieutenant here about

their groups endorsement of cashless bail.

And one of the things I wanted to discuss is that this isn't something just designed for the people who are arrested.

This lessens the amount of people in jails.

This lessens the workload for those who work in those jails, for the lawyers.

This has a overall benefit for everybody involved in this process, not just the people who are going through the court system, right?

Yeah, and you know, there's so much to be said Let's take a look at like economic arguments,

right?

just as a start is from economic arguments on both sides of the fence is I don't know the exact cost of what it

takes to detain someone in the state of Wisconsin at a county jail pretrial, but I will tell you in California, it's over $50,000 a year if you remain in pretrial detention.

And then so you look at overcrowding issues, you look at the creation of unsafe environments, not just for people who are detained,

but for those correctional officers or those deputies or the civilians that are working in that type of environment.

So that's number one, is when we look at policies, there should be beneficial aspects for not just the people that we are managing through the system, but the public.

fiscal resources, safety resources, and also the overcrowding also causes huge issues within jail populations as well.

We see a lot of injuries, you know, police officers or correctional officers and those working in county jails are unable to manage those populations in a safe manner.

Over time, there's like so many issues, but then you start thinking about the economic factors

Most county jail most people in county jails are not necessarily there for violent crime and we should be saving our resources for people in The system who harm people not because you failed to appear on a misdemeanor and that happens a lot So then you start thinking about the war on poverty, you know, you have a low-level offense You forget to go to court

It ends up in a failure to appear.

You get rolled up.

You lose your job.

You lose your housing.

Your kids then get put in foster care.

I mean, there's just these escalating consequences to people.

And what we know, and all you have to do is not saying that Illinois is a better state than Wisconsin in any way, shape, or form.

Go Brewers, right?

I'm a Brewers fan versus a Cubs fan.

Okay,

you're welcome my house anytime.

All right

Okay, okay, but but you know, they just Chicago went through this they passed or Illinois went through this they they passed the free trial fairness act in 2021 there were Lawsuits filed against it.

It was finally declared constitutional implemented in 2023

So now we're looking at evidence.

Let's look at data and outcome.

University of Chicago at Loyola, not known for their liberal tendencies as a university or research, right?

Finally, start doing kind of some outcome studies.

The data is limited.

It's ongoing, but it is promising.

They took the first six months of 2023 as a comparison to the first six months of 2024 and saw no increase in crime because of cashless bail.

But what was really interesting, Greg, is that

they also looked at the failure to appear rate.

And so before the act was passed is the failure to appear rate was 17%.

It's actually dropped down to 15% because one of the things that states across the country are doing

is looking at technology to get people to court.

So there's better use of attorneys or other, you know, human capital that is very cost intensive.

And so a lot of states, counties, municipalities who are working within this realm have developed systems that reminds people.

Oh, by the way, don't forget, you got a court appointment.

And they're seeing that also contribute and help.

So there's multiple ways to skin the cat.

Right.

It is.

I joke that law enforcement, we're the best plague risers in the whole entire world because why do I want to develop and do all the research on the new policy if another state has a piece of legislation or a policy that has already been effectively implemented with the proper outcomes.

And this is something I'd love to have you back to talk about because as we're seeing, you know, all this information, all this evidence provides nuance to the discussion of what the president is trying to attack, which, you know, you can basically say.

an attack on poor people who can't afford bail.

And we see the evidence that shows that this is not the case.

This is not criminals running free.

So Lieutenant, thank you so much for being here.

I appreciate your time.

We're going to have you back to talk about this and the other things that your group discusses.

Retired Lieutenant Diane Goldstein is the Executive Director of Law Enforcement Action Partnerships.

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Dan, how are you today?

I'm a little discombobulated, but I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm glad it's Friday.

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We got Packers football this weekend.

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time.

Well, I mean, and there's a lot going on too.

I mean, usually what I do is, you know, we'll talk to each other days before and say, here's the things we want to talk about on Friday.

And it's usually like, I don't know, like.

two or three things.

Just keep it simple.

You sent a lot.

I don't know

if we can get to all of it,

which is fine, because we can always re-combobulate later, but...

You wanted to kick it off with a story out of Madison involving a lawmaker from Milwaukee.

Yeah, a weirdly busy week in the Wisconsin state legislature.

A number of the stories that I sent you this week were about happenings in the state legislature.

They basically since the state budget passed into early July, they've been off for much of the last two months.

Now back at least holding a certain committees are holding public hearings and whatnot.

And, but that's not the first story I want to.

be talking to you about today.

The first story I'm going to talk to you about, uh, broke, uh, the other night and Milwaukee Journal sent a little reporter, Jesse Appoian, wrote the story with the headline, Milwaukee state lawmaker, or Teasville as loses capital access during investigation.

And so what it sounds like, what happened here, uh, is that, uh,

State Representative Sylvia Ortiz Velez, who was a Democrat from Milwaukee.

We can, we can get into some of her political leanings after the fact, but there was a, a, she, she, um, uh, basically there was, it sounds like she made some sort of a threat.

Okay.

Uh, and Greta Newbauer, the minority, Democratic minority leader thought it credible enough to send to Capitol police.

Oh boy.

Capitol police has said since.

And in that they revoked her access to the capital they revoked Ortiz Velez's access to the capital So she would try to go up and her key card wouldn't work to go into her office And so from there they have since determined that the

Uh, that the threat was not credible.

Capitol police, uh, said that yesterday in a statement through Robin Voss's office.

Um, and, uh, meanwhile, Robin Voss and the Republican assembly members were holding a fundraiser yesterday in Lake Geneva.

Little side story there for you.

Uh, out yawning.

Um, yes, indeed.

Yes.

Uh, and so Ortiz Vales, it sounds like what has happened since is that she has now.

Has her access back to the Capitol, but she has also in this process has said she is leaving leaving the Democratic caucus So she has you know been elected as a Democrat a number of time.

I think believe she's in her third term Representing a South Side community of Milwaukee a very heavily Democratic district on the South Side of Milwaukee.

I think I looked up the numbers last night It's like a Harris plus 50 district in the 2024 election.

So now she is no longer part of the Democratic caucus it sounds

like I don't really know.

I don't think there's been any reported information on what exactly the threat that was being investigated was.

There's been mentions of something about.

using guns, some sort of talk of guns.

I don't know, I don't want to speculate on what exactly happened.

But a pretty bizarre story, and now, you know, there is one fewer Democrat in the Assembly, Democratic Caucus.

Ortiz Velez has kind of been, you know, I would say probably one of the more moderate members of the Democratic Caucus.

She has sided with Republicans on a number of different bills, ones relating to school choice.

Uh, I believe she decided with Republicans on a redistricting bill.

There were a couple others as well.

I've had people in the legislature mentioned to me, well, it's kind of say, well, she's kind of basically a Republican.

Uh, so.

That's kind of the reputation that she's had and I as I've talked about it in this show many times I think the Democratic Party needs to make room for a bigger tent and that includes Progressives moderates people from all stripes, right?

And so but I think this is this is pretty bizarre I'm hoping that we get a little bit more information about what exactly happened what this threat was how you know what what's what the nature of it was and it sounds like Ortiz Velez is also pointing to wanting to deliver some sort of

testimony in an on an upcoming bill next week that would be critical of Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley before she was on the in the state assembly she was on the county board and I think you know maybe disagreed with some of the

practices that Crowley was taking during the pandemic.

So I think, you know, it was some some there's some bill being critical, or some bill talking about emergency powers or whatever it might be.

And I think she'd had some criticism of David Crowley and

and has since, she says she's still a Democrat.

She endorsed Sarah Rodriguez for governor.

She's on the list of, yeah, it's a little bit all over the

place.

This is a very,

this story has all levels, all layers.

Yes.

A lot of layers to this.

And so yeah, pretty bizarre overall.

I'm not exactly sure where this is headed.

I do think this is a pretty important story to be following now.

Okay.

Because honestly, when I first saw it, I mean,

we live in this news world where it's like, there's news being thrown at you.

Like, okay, I'll read this one.

I'll read this one later.

And I saw this one kind of on the side at first.

And then I started to read some of it.

And I honestly figured it was kind of not a hit job so much as it like, I didn't know the fact that a Democrat actually called it and said, Hey, this is what happened.

We need to do something about this.

Or at the very least it needs to be investigated.

The fact that she has cited

with republic which isn't you know it's not a crime it's

not

a crime to side with republicans but on these aspects you're talking about that's a school choice that's a pretty big deal and

Also the fact that she wants to make a testimony against David Crawley who I mean who has said he's all but thrown his hat and officially he said he's going to run for governor That that will I mean whatever she has to say will definitely be probably part and parcel of the fodder that will be used against him when he makes that official announcement So

yeah, this

is this I mean this is a this is a very developing story with I'm interested to hear about as you said What the actual threat was because

yeah,

if it does involve

a gun, I just think about the, you know, whatever the context is, I just think about the quote that Chris Kappenga made where he said, as a lawmaker, I should absolutely be able to carry a gun into that building

because I have to

protect myself.

So I would love to see what she said in context to what, what the concern was.

So that's, yeah.

Okay, more following that one now.

Yeah, definitely a story that I think we should all be following.

Yeah, I think there's gonna be a little bit more to this as the story continues to unfold.

And then, you know, she might be delivering some some critical testimony next week on a bill.

you know, relating to, uh, some criticism of somebody who might be running for governor.

So, you know, there's, there's some spice to this

one.

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What else is going on in the news that you know we need to know?

Another one here is that a group of legislative Democrats are introducing a package of legislation relating to labor issues.

Obviously Monday was Labor Day.

I think the big picture of this is that they're looking to do things that we've seen in the past that Democrats have proposed, repealing Act 10, repealing right to work, a number of other raising the minimum wage.

I don't know if that was in this particular package.

I'm pulling it up right now.

But there are a number of things that they're looking to do here.

Now, here's kind of the path forward for a lot of it.

These bills, this package of bill does not have a good chance of going forward now.

There it's a Republican majority You know they are unlikely to get even a public hearing for much of the like a repealing right to work is not going to get the public hearing and Robin bosses assembly No, it's not happening But I think the way that we need to be looking at this and bills that are introduced by Democrats over the next 12 months are this is what could be possible if Democrats win a trifecta next year So as these bills are introduced restoring prevailing wage restoring the use

of project labor agreements, repealing right to work, all of these different things that have been proposed in the past and are being proposed now.

Again, I don't expect it to be a public hearing.

I don't expect it to be taken up.

I don't expect Republicans to suddenly have a moment where like, yeah, this has actually not really been a particularly effective for us in Wisconsin over the past decade.

Let's get rid of this.

I think these are, we need to look at these and others that Democrats might be introducing on bills relating to healthcare or education or immigration or whatever it might be.

as this is what could be possible with a democratic trifecta.

And I think the opportunity that's there next year to flip the Senate, which seems likely, flip the Assembly, which is less likely but possible and hold the governorship, would set Democrats up for their first trifecta in nearly 20 years.

And so I think when we see these proposals, I don't think people should look at them and think, oh, they're gonna repeal right to work.

This is great.

This is what could be possible.

if Democrats were in charge.

And, you know, I think it's significant that we had both leaders from both the Senate Democratic leadership, Diane Husslebein's office, and Assembly Democratic leadership, Greta Neubauer's office, all behind this one.

And talking about, I think that the name of the bill was the bill to stronger Wisconsin package.

So I think we will see some of these other bill packages over the next few months.

And I think it will be the type of thing like, you know, these legislators are fighting to

bring these policies that would benefit the working class of Wisconsin.

And that's how when I read this article, I saw it as I didn't see it so much as a, a thing that, and I mean this, and I mean this in all respect is thing that can be done right now.

This is a leading point.

This is the package to which other people running for office can say, this is, you want to know what we want to do.

Here's what we want to do.

And here is the way it's affected you over the past.

My God, 15, 16 years now.

So I think it was a smart move because they need a whole, I mean, we're looking at a little over a year before the elections are gonna be happening.

So they need that time to really put it in front of Wisconsinite's faces to say, take this information in, we'll talk to you about it, but let's do this together.

So I think that was a smart move.

And I think I wonder to, you know, given the, the other larger dynamics of Tony Evers not running for a third term, some real dysfunction, it seems like in the Senate Republican caucus for one, they, you know, they had members on both sides of the budget and, and what have you.

And, and I think there was a, you know, kind of some simmering bad blood there.

Assembly Republicans, not so much.

They, they take their marching orders from, from Robin Voss.

Easiest job in Wisconsin.

Right.

And so.

But I do wonder how much is actually going to get done now, because I guess we're more or less in this lame duck period for Tony Evers.

Senate Republicans don't seem to want to be doing anything.

I don't think they have anything scheduled for the rest of the month.

There are a few assembly.

I think there is going to be an assembly session at some point this month.

But I don't know how much is actually going to get done.

Yeah.

And well, I think some of them might be fine with that, too.

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And I heard you talk about this before, another story coming out of Madison, and I'm just going to let you take it from here.

We'll take it from here.

Another story coming out of the Republican caucus in Madison.

Yeah, again, a weirdly busy week in the state legislature coming after Labor Day, getting back to work.

I love to see that.

Don't always love to see what exactly they're doing there.

But so here's the latest thing coming from state Republicans.

So there was a rule advanced from the Department of Health Services this week.

And in the rules committee, the Republicans took issue with a couple of things as they did a few months ago, where there's a line struck out that kind of clarifies some legalese language on some things.

So they freaked out a few months ago when in a measure on relating to IVF,

They struck the word mother and used the words inseminated person.

Right,

so

this is a legalese thing.

People freaked

out about it.

Republicans' heads explode across the state.

Not actually a particularly big deal, but I guess, so I guess this is what they're doing now.

They're just gonna control every bill and measure and rule that comes across them to see if there's any kind of like woke type of language.

They find the woke boogie man hiding in each of these.

Because that's

where the real freedom is, when you get rid of woke.

That's where we find the true freedom of America, Dan.

You don't know that because you don't open your mind.

Open your third

eye, dude.

All these free thinkers who all conveniently think the same.

So basically there's another one that the Department of Health Services was advancing this week.

And basically what it does

is the ruling question is regarding prenatal care coordination and makes a change to essentially reflect the reality that same-sex marriage exists and there are same-sex parents.

And so one of them strikes the word father and uses other parent.

This is what they're freaking out about this week.

This is the big Republican freak out of the week.

Multiple Republican

perspective and likely candidates for governor had talked about

it.

This state Republican party tweeted about it saying that like every Democrat must answer for this far left nonsense.

Apparently they don't realize that it is 2025 and lesbian parents exist.

I know quite a few lesbian parents.

They very much exist.

They are physical creatures that if I

boop their nose, they would be there because all of their molecules form humans and they are also attracted to other women.

They do exist.

And this, Dan, though, is very convenient because all of this freak out allows them to not talk about the issues that really, really affect us, like, you know, health care access and food access and childcare and education.

Instead, they get to take up our brain power and our column inches within our

Sculls with saying Democrats must answer up to this because we do we still love mothers.

Yeah, there was a tweet from Tom Tiffany Tony Evers and Democrats tried to label mothers as inseminated persons now they're replacing father with other parent Wisconsin families deserve better than this woke insanity moms or moms fathers or fathers and Democrats cannot erase that fact look

It's it's just such it's like They hated language policing Republicans hated

the language

policing and that's what they hated so much and now what's out is woke language policing and what's in is I guess Anti-woke language policing.

It's it's just again.

It's just a a rule that reflects the current reality

That same sex marriage is the law of the land that is legal for now.

And there are, so what I want, if I want to, you know, kind of flip things on them and say like, Hey, I'm going to take a very Republican approach to talking about this.

So does this mean Tom Tiffany is opposed to lesbian parents having children?

Is he opposed to same sex marriage entirely?

Are those questions

that we should be asking in response to this?

I think we should start asking and you just ask them right now and that's a great one because frankly this is a matter of and I've been I've been dealing as as both you know just living in the world and living in the world of comedy dealing with this saying how sensitive liberals are and how they can't handle any sort of criticism or any kind of joke when I watch on a daily basis Republicans can't handle gay marriage trans people

Pronoun usage like there is a there is a line a mile long or the things that they can't handle that they freak out

Cracker barrel logos

cracker barrel I saw a thing that said I wish that Republicans would handle would would handle gun with 100 handle gun violence with the same rage that they handle with the cracker barrel logo and That is what this all is though, Dan And we all know this this is allows them to freak out in a 24-hour news cycle to keep from answering the questions that are really

Really important to Wisconsinites and Americans and

yeah,

so

there is an important question that it is being asked right now I know we got to be quick here Democratic state senators this week held a press conference Hoping for a public hearing on a bill that they're advancing to try to keep a facility for homeless veterans open in Green Bay and Chippewa Falls

Yep, we talked about that yesterday.

That's

what that's what they're they're choosing to talk about woke language

while leaving veterans out in the cold.

Yes, absolutely.

That's what's happening.

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Where we lighten things up a little bit get away from the news because the news gets heavy and we're gonna talk about something a little more fun It is football season is here the time has come the Packers are taking the taking on the Lions of Detroit very happy I got that name right and We want to know from you one.

What are you up to this weekend for Packer weekend and two?

What are your packer?

Superstitions is there something you need to wear a certain hoodie or certain hat.

Do

you

have to watch it at a certain place?

What do you do when you watch the Packers?

How excited are you for this team this season?

I know a lot of individuals, including the guy across from me, very interested in seeing the performance of one, Micah Parsons.

That's right.

And so we want to know, it feels like the team is gathering momentum over the past few seasons post Aaron Rogers.

And this feels like a season that can take us even further.

So Dan, first of all,

Give us your thoughts on the Packers this weekend.

Also,

What are your rituals and what are your superstitions?

What do you plan for this weekend?

So I guess first, I am very optimistic about this team, especially after the Michael Parsons trade.

You make a trade like that.

That's an all in move.

You're making that move to try to go win a Super Bowl.

So I think

this is a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

You know, I think they came up a little bit short last year.

Had a couple injuries down the stretch.

Jordan Love, you know, coming into having that.

Playoff game that he did against Dallas a couple years ago made us all think like oh, we've got the guy the next great Packers quarterback is here Yes, a little bit of an up-and-down season last year because but he was battling injury injuries through much of it I really want to see what he looks like with you know the new wide receiver Matthew Golden who they drafted in the first round a couple other new weapons around him I'm really interested to see what how that offense does and then I think of course we all want to see what Micah Parsons is gonna do on the defense

event.

We have not had a pass rusher like that, probably since Clay Matthews in his heyday, running around chasing after quarterback.

So that's going to be a lot of fun too.

And I think this is a really big game

that they're

starting the season off with.

I think Detroit is one of the division, the last couple seasons, the

Packers, Lions games have been hard fought, contentious games over the last few years.

And to start off the season with this one at Lambeau, my goodness, this is a big deal.

I'm very excited for this game.

Well, I think the thing that I had to realize, not realize, just keep remembering that that first season where Jordan Love was our guy.

No one really expected that because it was the team was so young and it was still coming together.

It takes teams, maybe a couple of years to gel, especially young guys to find that groove, you know, that last year while it was disappointing, you had to keep the expectations of, oh wait, this is still a pretty brand new team.

And this year's team, and I want to say this for all the professional teams in Wisconsin, Bucks, Brewers and Packers.

I feel like for the first time in a long time, all three teams

are with a, with a game plan that wants a ring.

I feel like all three teams are making real decisions.

They're going for it.

They're going for it.

It's not, it's not a rebuilding.

It's not a, Oh, well, the Packers are really good, but the bucks are blah and the brewers are this.

It is all three teams, regardless of whether they win the ring or not, I feel like all three teams have that train trajectory forward saying, no, this is not about simply making it to the wildcard.

We want game.

six or seven of that of the big thing and we want that ring.

We want the Super Bowl.

We want the championship and that feels exciting too.

Yeah.

And I think the, you know, the Packers will be on a shortlist and the NFC with some of the other team Detroit being one of them.

Like, so that's why this matchup on Sunday is going to be so important.

You know, the Eagles played last night against Dallas and one, they're going to be in the mix.

They won the Super Bowl last year, of course, too.

But I think since the Parsons trade too, I've been, I've heard that the Packers, I'm not a gambler, but I've heard the Packers, Super Bowl odds have gone up quite a bit.

So that's, that's pretty exciting too.

It's a great time to be a Wisconsin sports fan.

That's for

sure.

Just joining us, we were talking to Dan Schaefer.

He is civic media's political editor, also huge Wisconsin sports fan.

I want to bring Calvin into the mix here because, you know, the baseball is not your jam so much, but you do love the football, Calvin.

You love basketball.

What are your thoughts on this weekend?

Well, I think the Packers are going to have a great season and I think they have the potential to make it to the Super Bowl.

That being said, I'm tempering my expectations for this Sunday.

Michael Parsons isn't I don't think it's gonna be ready ready.

I think he'll be on the field I think he'll play but with requesting a trade from Dallas he really hasn't done much this offseason Yeah, and I feel like yeah, we got our most promising receiver is a rookie So yeah, I think we could potentially have a rough game on Sunday

Okay, Calvin with the reality here potential for that too I do think Detroit is an interesting team to watch this year too because both their offensive and defensive coordinator left for head coaching jobs in

the

offseason So with that kind of turnover like within a team like are they still going to be you know I think they had the best record in the NFC last year They won the division are they still going to be that type of you know top elite level team without Ben Johnson and the offensive coordinator and Aaron Glenn as their defensive coordinator

Well, then that brings us to the, so, you know, we want to keep all the, you know, you bring, you bring the, you brought the, all the glory Calvin brought some reality to it.

So I want to know how do we as Packer fans?

add to it.

What do we do to maybe bring the good juju, to like bring the good vibes, if you will?

Dan.

The superstitions.

The superstitions.

How are we

at home

impacting the game in your bag?

Exactly, exactly.

What do you do?

What are your superstitions?

What are the things that you need to or can't do on game day?

Give us a call 855-752-484-2855-75 civic.

Call us or text us.

Leave a comment on the live stream.

We'd love to hear from you.

Dan, do you have any specific things

that you do that you must do to watch a pack of game or is it just like you sit down, get the popcorn, you get some food and you're just going to watch.

Yeah.

I like, so a couple of things that I like to do.

I like to be watched sitting down and watching kickoff.

I like to be there for kickoff.

I like be there for the start of the game.

I might get up immediately after kickoff and like go, you know, finish cooking burgers or whatever

it

is.

But I like to be there and sitting and watching the kickoff.

I also almost always wear the same.

old Packers jersey that I've had for a very long time now.

I have an Antonio Freeman Packers jersey that I've been wearing for quite a while.

He was one of my favorites back in the day.

And so, so I like, I've got my Antonio Freeman jersey.

I like to be there in front of the, be there for kickoff.

I'm not a huge superstitious Packers fan, but like if, if, if I wear the Freeman jersey and they lose, I'm not wearing, I will, I'll wear something else the next week.

I wear just a Packer T-shirt

or

something

like that.

You're not very superstitious, but if they lose,

lose.

And if they win, I keep wearing the, wearing

the

jersey.

Do you

wash it though?

Yeah.

Okay.

Cause I know you, the superstitions of some players, they're like, I never washed my socks during the playoffs.

Playoffs are different,

Greg.

Oh, okay.

Oh, all right.

All right.

Well, and, and I don't per se have a lot of superstitions when it comes to watching the Packers or I feel like, like when I'm watching, I watch more baseball as people know, and I tend to get up and have to walk away or just like change the channel.

Cause it's just,

There's pressure in my own mind.

And so I have to be like, all right, take a little moment, watch something else, come back in about 10 minutes.

All right, cool.

We will reset it all.

My mother, on the other hand, if she's watching a game and they start losing, she'll turn it off immediately because she thinks it's her fault.

She's like, they're losing because I'm watching.

I'm still not sure if she's being funny because she says it with such intensity and such respect

that she's

like, I can't do this.

I can't watch.

They're losing.

This is my doing.

So she will turn the game off and also come back later or watch on her phone.

Look at the score.

But that's, that's her superstition.

Calvin, do you have any superstitions whatsoever when it comes to watching the Packers or any sports at all?

Really don't I don't know if that's surprising or not, but I know it's

not surprising at all

Yeah, I don't really have many superstitions.

I mean it's just like I wouldn't even necessarily call them superstitions But it's like if you're sitting in one spot and they start to do bad you get up and sit in a different spot like that kind of thing I feel like everyone does that

No

Okay, well, I guess that is the super you change your location in the living room when things start to go bad That's always

a good plan.

It works to a locational reset.

I like that Jenny on the live stream says Greg is your mom my mom?

Sister yeah, I think I think there's a lot of people out there who have that feeling of like I am the I am the cause of their downfall for for my viewing eyes are making them lose

Yeah, well, you know, we all do those silly things.

There's just like

Oh, you know, crack a beer if we need to change the

fortunes of

the team.

Well,

gotta have a couple of highlights during a Packers game.

Do you believe a rally cap in baseball helps?

No.

Okay.

No, I don't do the rally cap.

I've seen so many times they lose.

I'm like, why did we turn our hands?

It's just silly.

I do not subscribe.

That's silly.

As I say, like you're saying that like a Miller highlight will give us a better fourth quarter.

Yeah.

It'll make you enjoy a losing fourth quarter more than anything else.

But you know, Hey, if you have any superstitions, please let us know.

Give us a call 855-752-4842 is 855-75 civic.

Dan, do you, are you planning on going?

Well, are you going to the game?

If not, where do you, are you going to watch it at home this weekend?

Not going to the game this time.

I'll probably watch it at home.

I liked it.

We like to get together with folks for Packers games

and stuff

like that.

I think, you know, my wife's not a huge sports fan, but I think she really likes the almost like cultural elements

of Packers games that

come with, you know, everybody brings a, brings a dish and you hang out and you watch the game.

And maybe you don't watch the game, but you just hang out.

But it's, it's just, you know, part of Wisconsin culture.

And then we get together like this on Sundays.

I'm so looking forward to this game.

I absolutely agree.

I, I, yes, I think as a sports fan in Wisconsin, you can, you can enjoy the games, but it's about the hang.

We're, we're all about a good hang here.

And Ardith on the live stream says, I agree with Greg's mom.

I

don't dare

watch it.

If I want them to win.

All right, Ardith, you and my mom and Jenny's mom get together and not watch a Packers game together and know that the win is because of you.

Dan, thank you so much.

What

if it works though?

What if it works?

We've cracked the, they never lost a Super Bowl because all three of these women never watched the game.

Thank you so much for joining us.

We really appreciate Dan always here on Friday to recombobulate the news.

If you want more news, go to the recombobulation area and check out civic media dot us slash news for everything Dan does.

Have yourself a wonderful weekend, Dan.

You too,

Greg.

Thanks so much.

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