The Path Finds You (Hour 2)

Good, good morning, everyone throughout Wisconsin, listening on the Civic Media Radio Network.

My name is Greg Bach.

You were listening to Matt Nair on air.

I am guest hosting for Miss Jane Matt Nair, who is on a well-deserved vacation.

She will be back sooner than later.

And she wanted me to tell you something.

She misses you already.

So you've got me for the next couple of hours today.

And we have a wonderful, wonderful show for you.

At 9.35, the host of the morning's with Pat Critlow, I always, Calvin, want to call it the Pat Critlow show, the Crite show.

That's Calvin, by the way, on the board.

Does everyone say hi to Calvin?

You can hear him.

Calvin, say hi to them.

Hello, everyone.

Yeah, you know, the Crite show has a

certain ring to it.

I agree with that.

But Pat Crite low, who is the host of mornings with Pat Crite low will be joining us at 9 35.

Followed by in the 10 o'clock hour, secretary of state of Wisconsin, Sarah Godlowski will be on our show this morning to talk about her run for lieutenant governor.

She made the announcement.

recently that she will be running for lieutenant governor next year in the race in 2026.

And we will have her on to talk about the campaign, talk about her story, talk about her background, and also, you know, just find out what she wants to accomplish as lieutenant governor and what she does in her job as secretary of state.

But we're looking forward to having her on there.

And then at 1035, Jane may be on vacation, but that doesn't mean the Sorbet stops.

It's audio Sorbet at 1035.

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You know, it's Calvin.

I don't know if you noticed.

I'm sure you did.

Uh, it was 55 degrees last night before I went to bed and I thought to myself, oh, summer is truly over.

So I just wanted to find out from everyone here for audio sorbet.

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Or maybe you have one still lined up before.

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Just wanted to give you a really quick update.

We've been talking a lot about this since the floods.

FEMA is still in southeastern Wisconsin just yesterday in an article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Drake Bentley has the byline just talking about sinkhole sinkholes erosion buildings with damage are the most issue are the are the among the issues that the Milwaukee County Parks are seeing after the historic flooding FEMA is going through the parks over the next few days surveying the damage and I just also want to say to anyone out there in southeastern Wisconsin if you have been affected by the floods

please go to 211 and file a report.

You can call it in or you can sign it in electronically.

It really helps with research.

It really helps the county.

It helps the state.

It helps, you know, if FEMA does anything about it, we'll see.

It helps them with their research.

It helps them with possible monies to be given.

And it also just helps them predict for the future, possibly as far as where you live, how you were affected, maybe looking at floodplain.

updates, but yeah, go to 211 and we will put a link in the show notes for that.

But yeah, if you have that, if you have damage, please go there and make that report.

So they will be doing that.

And we'll be reporting more, of course, as we come to find out more information on that.

But I want to switch this one, Calvin, to out of Dane County, Henry Redmond writing for with the Wisconsin Examiner.

Dane County judge refuses to dismiss case against fake Trump electors Calvin remember when we had an election in 2020 that was some time ago we were There was a group of individuals in Wisconsin some in Georgia and other states as well who wanted to put forth a slate of fake electors they wanted to Write in Donald Trump's name even though in Wisconsin Joe Biden won and these people are on trial right now

Attorney General Josh Call, in my opinion, finally filed charges last June, June 24.

But there was an order to dismiss the charges against the three men, those three men being, of course, the very famous Kenneth Chisbrough, Chesbrough, I call him Chisbrough, Jim Trupas and Mike Roman.

And Calvin, you'll never believe what

What the judge said in the response as far as trying to get the files dismissed, what do you think they filed dismissal charges for?

Like what do you think the grounds for dismissal was as far as like, Hey, we don't think this is right.

We don't think this case is good.

It should be dismissed and the judge fires back.

Do you have any idea what he may have said?

Well, I can't play along too much because I

snuck ahead and looked at the plan, and I believe I know the answer.

Go ahead and give the answer, Calvin.

Go ahead.

You know it.

I believe they're going to claim that this is a violation of their right to free speech.

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, it happens all the time.

People file motions for dismissals.

It happens all the time in court.

And, and it can be of various reasons why they are doing that.

But I, when I read that, I really could, they, they filed, Mr. Trupas filed for dismissal because he felt that this whole case was a violation of his first amendment to, and his right to free speech.

I never thought I'd see the day where someone said, Hey, I want to forge a ballot

I want to forge an election slate to overturn the election, and that is my right under the First Amendment.

Folks, what do you think about that?

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Jim Trupas thinks that he has the right to disrupt and overthrow our U.S.

election, or Wisconsin, I should say a Wisconsin election, which is part and parcel to the U.S.

election, and he says, you know what, I can do that.

I got first member rights, Calvin.

I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

Well, I mean, it's, it's ridiculous, but of course, I mean, it's not surprising.

What other defense would there be?

I

mean, I guess, yeah, I mean, you got to, I guess you're right.

To me, what that says is we have nothing else left.

We have to throw everything at the wall and see what happens.

I find this to be apps.

I don't know.

Like, I don't want to say it's offensive.

It's not offensive.

It's just, it's ridiculous.

But there are people out there though, Calvin.

I know, and we all know that there are people out there who are going to be sitting back in their chairs crossing their arms saying, well, yeah, you should be able to.

I should be able to forge a ballot.

That's my right.

Is this an American citizen?

Cause that's what we think of the constitution now.

That's what we take.

And I just, for me personally, I found this to be a wild, wild, our article, a wild.

arguments.

And I'd love to know more about what you're thinking here.

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The charges actually, which is interesting though, is that the three men, as it says in the article, the three men each face 11 criminal related charges to felony forgery.

Each charge carries a maximum penalty of six years in prison.

and a $10,000 fine, which I would think that doing that also, Calvin would be a way bigger crime.

I don't know.

Trying to overthrow an election seems like way more than a $10,000 fine in six years in prison.

But I mean, as far as I know, Kenneth Chesbro, he got a five year suspended sentence and I think paid $5,000 in restitution, got community service.

So not really a huge

penalty for trying to upend our democratically elected process here in the country.

But Galvin, at least you now know that you can use the First Amendment.

I don't know if you've ever thought about overthrowing elections, if that's on your things to do list.

You know, it's not something I've ever considered.

It kind of goes against my values.

Oh, as an American, but you know.

And it works for some people.

Yeah.

I just, I don't know.

This one really stuck out to me because I, you know, once again, when it comes to our elections here in Wisconsin, and we've said it before, and I will say it again to people who want to push this narrative.

And we want to talk more about in the coming days about this once again, taken up flag of the.

mail in ballots, not being safe that they are somehow a way that we are going to, it's going to harm our election process, make it unsafe, lead to, lead to voter fraud.

It's not.

Wisconsin has very safe elections.

It shows it every single time.

And if you want any proof to it last election in 2024, in 2024 for the presidential election, Ron Johnson himself, Wisconsin senior senators said it that

Wisconsin had that the election was safe.

He went to Milwaukee's city center.

He took a look at what was going on because there were some problems that were that were taken care of by the wonderful incompetent staff.

And he said that the elections were running smoothly.

Wisconsin has smooth elections.

We don't need people like Jim Troupas, Mike Roman and Kenneth Chesrow trying coming in and trying to upend that.

And frankly, should not be able to use the excuse of

First Amendment free speech to do it as well.

I see, um, Mary and Tosa on the, on the text line says consistent with their law breaking.

Yeah.

I mean, that's, they will, in order to win, and we're seeing this too with the expansion of congressional maps on both sides.

Now we're just seeing they're going to do anything they can to win.

And we, it's, it's not just in Texas.

If people are looking at it in Indiana, there's other states that are looking at it.

We're going to talk more about that too in the coming days, because we're finding out more information.

California is now doing something, as you all probably know, to combat Texas.

But the question I have is, where does it end there?

Where does it end?

Texas does it, then California does it.

Then who's next?

Then who's next?

Then who?

Jack from Merrimack is on the phone.

Jack, thank you so much for calling.

What do you say to this?

Oh, well.

First of all, this sort of stuff will continue, and especially from the MAGA, unless we pass a federal law, preferably a constitutional amendment, states absolutely unequivocally and clearly.

every adult American citizen has the absolute right to vote without interference and have their vote appropriately counted and that any law or regulation or activity that interferes with that right is null void and illegal and it should include but not be limited to things like.

egregious gerrymandering, ridiculously demanding voter ID like passports or that a person's legal aid must match their birth certificate, atrociously demanding mail-in or absentee ballot rules so that, for instance, a wife

can't even hand in or legally mail her husband's ballot, or disabled or senior person needs a doctor's note, purging tens of thousands at a time from board rules.

That's ridiculous.

You know, we just...

had 190,000 orders removed from Wisconsin's rolls.

And, and it was excused as, Oh, this is routine maintenance.

We do this, you know, every,

and Jack, I'm gonna, we're coming up against, we're coming up against the time to get ourselves some water and get a snack, but

Thank you so much for calling back.

I can address that on the on the other side of the break as well.

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In the previous segment, we were talking about the folks who are being, folks who are in trial for trying to upend the Wisconsin election by putting in fake voter slates, fake, you know, trying to basically make Donald Trump win an election that he didn't win in Wisconsin because the people in 2020 voted for Joe Biden.

I know some of you listen to that may, it may hurt your ears to say that, but Joe Biden won the 2020 election in Wisconsin and in this country, but

We were talking to Jack from Merrimack and we were talking about, uh, uh, voter roles and whatnot and what you need to do to register.

And we've talked a great deal about that topic, especially with Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin.

And I wanted to clear something up really quick and I, I understand it can seem nefarious because there are a lot of states out there that try to.

Pull one over the people by getting rid of names on the voter rolls.

Wisconsin does have what's called routine maintenance.

If you have moved and you have not re-registered to vote and you have not voted in some time, I believe it's four years, your name will be taken off the voter rolls.

You will need to re-register and

You can do that by going to myvote.wi.gov.

If you want to re-register or if you want to just register your vote, go to myvote.wi.gov and you can put your information there and you can register to vote.

You can take care of it real simple and that way it's out of your way.

You don't have to worry about it on election day.

You can also find out who your representatives are.

You put in your information and it'll tell you who represents you from the president down to even if you still vote for it, the dog catcher.

That's right.

I believe there are probably some municipalities out there that are still a dog catcher.

I want to at least.

But yeah, I understand that we live in times of great mistrust, distrust.

We just don't believe things.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories out there.

And unfortunately, when people are doing such things like trying to throw names off the voter rolls, it creates a great deal of tension and

I really, you know, after speaking to Deb Cronmiller and if you want to go back and listen to the episode, you can go do that by going to civicmedia.us slash shows, look for our show, the matinee, matinee on air.

And you can look for that episode talking about the voter rolls and getting re registered.

But I don't, I want to believe personally and call me naive, but I want to believe that that is a process of routine maintenance.

I don't want people to get very

spun up in that conspiracy.

There are things happening, but that one is, you know, I trust Deb.

I trust her word.

I trust what they do.

And if you need to get re-registered, just go and make sure, check your registration on myvote.wi.gov.

Now, what I also wanted to talk about next was the fact that according to a story in Raw Story, Brad Reed and Common Dreams have the byline on this.

The headline, Calvin, I know you'll love this and you will not be shocked at all.

profits soar to 1.2 trillion for America's top 100 companies as billionaire owners get tax cuts current tax cuts and we'll get be getting more tax cuts because of the big bill for billionaires that passed earlier this year.

I mean, are you even surprised?

I mean, it's 1.2 trillion dollars.

That is a ridiculous amount of money.

And one of the biggest topics we were talking about

here in Wisconsin for folks like me and you, folks who work for a living is the kitchen table economics.

How are you affording things?

We've talked, talked about it that a back to school supplies are going up lots by massive percentages.

And you got to send your kids to school.

You've got to, you got to get them the supplies they need.

And it's not getting cheaper and it's not staying the same.

It's getting more expensive, but these don't worry.

Do not worry.

These folks, these big

captains of industry, these Titans, they are going to pass that savings, that pass that money locked in via trickle down economics is going to trickle all over us.

And we're going to be safe and ready to go.

If you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'm willing to just give you something that, that really hit in this article that, you know, it speaks to our, our, our leaders voting for things.

for their own good and voting for a guy who's telling them to vote for them as far as the president.

Most Americans know in their bones that huge corporations don't need any more tax cuts, but the newest data on the revenue and profits of the nation's biggest firms confirm that hunch.

Among the giveaways to the rich and powerful in the recently enacted Trump GOP tax scam are roughly $900 billion in loophole.

Openers ranging from accelerated depreciation to more generous interest deductions.

All these goodies were part paid in part by denying family's healthcare, taking food from hunger kids.

That's snap.

Look at you, Derek Van Orden, boosting household utility prices.

The trade off couldn't be more clear or more cruel.

And that's what we've been saying for the longest time too.

This is all based in cruelty.

They don't care about you.

And if you voted for them, they don't care about you either because to them,

We are nothing more than a conduit to getting our money into their pocket.

But if you, if you look at my vote.wi.gov, look at who represents you, then look at their voting record.

If you like what they're doing, tell them that.

If you don't like this big, beautiful bill that they voted for, tell them that too.

Be respectful.

But we want to let them know what we're thinking.

You got to let your representatives know what you are thinking in this democracy because we still have a voice, whether people like it or not, or whether to admit it or not.

you still have a voice.

Once again, my vote.wi.gov.

I'm also going to throw in there a link into the show notes about a timeline for the big bill for billionaires.

What's going into effect?

What starts?

What ends?

It's going to be there.

Go to civicmedia.us slash shows, Matt Narenair.

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We're going to be speaking with Secretary of State for Wisconsin, Sarah Godluschi about her bid for lieutenant governor.

We have a very wonderful conversation with the admitted, these are her words, numbers dork.

She called herself a numbers dork on her shows once and I never forgot that ever, but

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Who is this this is this is not greg bach the greg bach i know has a big shaggy beard And this this there's not a you are not greg bach i am not greg bach i'm batman

You know, Calvin, I really should have opened the show today with that because I've had more people on the live stream in real life in this building at Radio Park in Racine say to me, what happened to your beard?

I had technical difficulties blamed on my beard last week.

They said, you shaved your beard and now everything goes to heck in a handbasket on Monday.

It must be because you're rocking a mustache.

You sit on a throne of lies

I will say I got back from vacation and it was a little bit of whiplash.

I've Bet I think I've worked at civic media for as long or a little bit longer within Greg

Oh,

he's had that beard for the entire time.

I've worked with him

Yeah, I still have a beard if you if you go in the livestream you can see it now I just look like I have a very dusty face Because it's no law in no longer contains

color in the hair follicles is just mainly greys and

greys.

You try to have a powdered sugar dough in it and then you accidentally sneeze, you know, and that's the look that Greg's got going right now.

So it is you.

Hi,

buddy.

How are

you?

I'm doing really well.

It's great to see you as always.

I love talking to you and there's lots to talk about and something that I threw your way was

And I know this is a national story, but I think it has implications, especially for Wisconsin, specifically in where we are with, with the topic of fair maps.

But Texas and Texas and California are in a fight to redraw, redraw their congressional maps.

Texas seems like they're going straight ahead for it.

California is not far behind.

And I kind of just wanted to get your thoughts on this because

I talked to Dan Schaefer, who's Civic Media's political editor, and he put something out there saying he wasn't a big fan of California, like retaliating, because this is what it feels like.

But I mean, where does it end?

There's, this is not a, this is, Texas doing this is not a well laid out plan.

What happens next and then next and then next also doesn't seem like a well laid out plan.

Well, no, I mean, no, now this is not war in the physical sense.

This is a political war and no war

is no war makes sense, but when one side is aggressively trying to kill you, in this case, kill your electoral chances.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, there's there's really not much room for pass pacifism there.

And I get that there there are pacifists, they're saying, well, we need to seek an alternative and not sink to their level.

And I, I understand that concern right up until the moment

you know, Fort Sumter is fired upon or Pearl Harbor or whatever the case may be.

And so the answer to where this goes next may be Missouri, which says, okay, California, you did that, then we're going to make our state even more Republican as if that were possible.

And then Maryland is going to respond and say, well, you know what, we've got some lines that we can shift to.

And that is how this is going to happen.

And what Republicans who believe in this and

Thank God, there's still Republicans who don't.

I wish they were more vocal.

But the Republicans who believe in this, what they're hoping for is that as Democratic-led states retaliate, that voters will say a pox on both your houses.

They'll see both parties as being equally complicit.

They'll say, oh, look, you see everybody does it.

And that's part of why it was good that Texas Democrats left the state for a couple of weeks to make the point

This, this is not a chicken and egg thing.

There's no confusion about how this started.

This started with Texas, with Republicans, with Donald Trump.

There that is indisputable.

You can shout Illinois from the from the rooftops, but we've never had a sitting president in the middle of a decade.

Demand redistricting

as a way to cheat and call it what it is, folks.

This is cheating to try to stave off midterm election losses.

It's corrupt AF and somebody's got to blow the whistle on it.

Texas Democrats did.

Well, and that and that's I don't disagree with what you're saying as far as you could only let someone hit you so long before you start hitting back.

The problem from the point of view of, you know, unless the courts can get involved,

There aren't a lot of democratically run states in this country.

And also, yeah, and really quick, what you just said as far as

Yes, this is, this is Donald Trump coming down from, from a top of his golden escalator and saying, find me five more congressmen.

And then having the nervous say, I deserve it.

And then someone like Greg Abbott, who leads a state that their literal slogan is don't mess with us.

He's allowing the president to mess with them.

It's just, I'm hoping I'm maybe I'm just being naive, Pat.

I don't know.

It just feels like this, this goes against also,

overall for everybody, the fight to keep gerrymandering, because you have to gerrymandering in order to do this, you have to redraw your lines and create new seats, and that's just a part of it.

Meanwhile, Wisconsin just gets into fair maps, and we're trying to put together a possible independent map, congressional map drawing committee that keeps politics out of it.

But now we've hit the gas pedal.

And it just seems like this is going to hurt everyone.

It is and and it's going to be that way until or unless enough voters Do something about it in places where they may not normally vote against

Republican candidates and ideas.

And for people to go, well, that never happens.

I would say this.

We're not going to have the same seven swing states all the time.

We have had years where Republicans have won lopsided.

We have had years where Democrats won lopsided, not quite as lopsided.

But there are there are years when the number of swing states actually expands quite a bit as people in a state, whether it's Texas,

Florida, some of the other states that we used to think were swing states, but they're not currently right now, but may get to that point where enough voters go, you know, enough of this and and put power back in the hands of people who are going to run on a platform of reform, not a platform of, hey, vote for us Democrats, because then we're going to we're going to do the same thing when we're in power.

But instead, who say when

When we get power again, we're actually going to fix this mess once and for all.

If you're just joining us on Matt and Aaron air, we are talking to Pat Crichtlow, who is the host of mornings with Pat Crichtlow, which you can listen to Monday through Friday, 6am to 9am on the Civic Media Radio Network.

And yeah, I mean that what we what I want to see happen is out of the ash pile of all of this is the the Phoenix of our democracy.

And that sounds real, I guess Harry Potter like, but like

There's that hope in my heart that we get to a point where we look at each other and go, we can't do this anymore.

This doesn't sustain.

This doesn't work.

And we're seeing, you know, if you're on social media, you see little by little, there are people out there who say, I voted for Trump and it was wrong.

I voted for Trump and I regret it.

And they voted for their reasons and their reasons are their reasons and you can't take them back.

But I'm also going to say, cool, he lied to you, admit it, come work with us and let's try to restore this.

The thing that I want you to make perfectly clear, because you're way better with the words than I am, and you've also been in politics longer than I've been doing it, I want you to tell us, the listeners and the viewers, how, and you mentioned it just a moment ago, how absolutely extraordinary, and I don't use that word in the positive sense, how absolutely extraordinary that a president would call on a state to all of a sudden read district their entire

Uh, they're all their lines to suit him so he can so he can keep power

And I don't know how much more clearly to put this we have a criminal in the White House He is a convicted felon.

He will do whatever it takes to quote-unquote win an election He asked officials in Georgia to find him a certain number of votes He's now trying the gerrymandering approach in Texas.

Don't think for a minute

that the guy who put troops in Los Angeles and the guy who just put troops on the streets of Washington isn't gonna pull something close to election day next year of announcing that federal troops will be in certain blue cities to monitor election integrity or something like that, which is nothing more than, again, trying to intimidate voters, which has been tried in Wisconsin before, by the way.

There was a group here.

uh, that funded billboards and it took the folks at one wisconsin now to expose it but they are putting up these billboards it's something that basically inferred to and of course only put up in black neighborhoods saying that you know in so many words even if you have a speeding ticket you know you could be convicted of voter fraud or things along that nature which are not necessarily true but are meant to intimidate people well

Now the billboards have been exposed.

So let's go with troops next or something else or something else, because that's what this president will do.

And at the moment, the checks and balances aren't working in Congress, in the Supreme Court.

Trump's not on the ballot next year.

So for every lack of a guardrail, like a Derrick Van Orden,

That's somebody that's got to be replaced with an actual guardrail on this president until we can get somebody who is, what am I trying to say?

Not a criminal, you know, in the Oval Office.

Carmella on the phone, you're calling in.

We love, we love hearing from you.

We've only got about a minute and a half.

What say you to this topic?

Oh, I have a lot to say, but I want to applaud Pat for what he said once.

Okay.

Once we get it, let's say they vote Democrat that we are going to change the laws and I think that message has to be pounded in almost like an oath from the Democrats

that

and this is the first time I've heard that and It's something that I want like okay, so as we get in we'll change the laws and make it correct or right or in the right direction and I'm not hearing that enough and I think that needs to be reiterated constantly that should be our messaging because

We all know that GOP has messaging.

That's all they do.

And we need to have a consistent message, and I think that should be it.

And that's a, that's a, that's a great point.

Carmella, there is a lot of work that the Democrats seem to be in a flailing.

I just saw an article saying that the new, the new leader of the DNC, there's, there's, there's some discord with him that he's not doing enough.

We're actually going to be having Emily Sefos on the show tomorrow to talk about her new article for the recombobulation area, discussing what the Democrats need to do to really just get their house in order.

But we're going to keep this conversation going when we talk about a couple more things regarding this matter and also how things like this,

are influencing our perception on what is and what isn't normal and or acceptable because 24-hour news cycle and it's everything everything everything is on fire but it's not we can do this together we're gonna work together we're gonna keep the conversation I got Pat Crite low from morning's Pat Crite low on the program don't go anywhere get yourself some water stay hydrated get a snack you're amazing you're listening to Matt in there on there on the civic media radio network stay tuned and stay close

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And before we left you for a moment to get ourselves hydrated, Pat and I were talking about the, what seems like endless now effort to maintain power for the Trump administration.

And now they're doing it through redistricting in Texas.

California has fired back by saying they will do their own redistricting to counteract the move of Governor Abbott.

And as you mentioned earlier, Indiana, I heard Ohio as well.

And before we came back from the commercial, I actually, we have the news playing right now.

And you mentioned Republicans who are speaking up about this.

And there was a list.

I wanted to take a picture so I could read it.

But Indiana Republicans are not thrilled about this either.

They think it's a bad precedent.

They think it doesn't do what it should do.

And we should just, you know, how about we just

keep it going the way it was and let the people actually decide.

Oh, God bless Midwestern sensibility because who, who, which Indiana Republican was kind of first to want to stand in the way of all this?

Mike Pence, who was, who was not, he was not down with the fake electors plot.

that you mentioned earlier.

If JD Vance had been vice president on that fateful day in January 6, 2021, he would have taken that fake ballot from Wisconsin, of which Ron Johnson was the mule delivering it.

He also had the fake ballot from Michigan as well.

And JD Vance would have read them off that way.

He absolutely would have read them off and said that Wisconsin awards its votes, its electoral votes to President Trump.

even though Joe Biden had won the election.

And in the last second when I mentioned that Trump will go beyond gerrymandering, there may be, you know, intimidation efforts on election day, but also don't think for a moment that there won't be efforts to do something on January 6th of 2029.

when the electoral votes are counted in the next presidential election.

And if things, again, are close or dicey or whatever, last time he asked Georgia to find him 11,000 votes.

And they said no.

And right now, Indiana Republicans are saying, I don't think we want to do this.

He'll find people that will say yes.

Unless again, in this next election, 2026, you put some guardrails back on this road and, you know, take away the people who have just been

Absolute, I don't know how else to put it, bootlickers about this.

You know, a Greg Abbott type of character who, like you said, the don't mess with Texas?

Oh, please.

You know, the obsequiousness is nauseous.

That was a lot of syllables.

That's

no worries.

I appreciate your equations.

There, uh, Jim from Appleton listening on W I S S says, I am not a fan of gerrymandering.

In fact, I have been fighting against it since the 1970s.

That being said, I have one question for the people who don't want democratic states to redistrict.

How often has unilateral disarmament worked for one side that worked for the side that disarmed?

Look at Ukraine for an example.

And I want to make something very clear.

What California is doing, I'm not sitting here myself going, no, don't do it.

It's just, I understand why they're doing it.

I understand in a time like you, like when someone's hitting you, sometimes you have to fight back.

And the question I just raised is what is the next step after that?

And then the next step, and then the next step.

And the problem is is then,

Mid mid decade gerrymandering becomes the new norm.

It's oh, we did that back in 25 We'll just do that now in 37 and then in 49 and 52 and so on and so forth.

This is not normal That's the bigger problem is this is not normal and he somehow along with all of his minions and all of his sick offense have allowed these things that are happening that seem ridiculous 10 15 years ago

to become a, well, yeah, we're just going to do it.

That's how you do things.

No, that's not.

You don't just say, I want five more seats because I deserve them.

Right.

It's, it's how you, it's how you become, you know, a so-called banana republic.

And when you mentioned unilateral disarmament, it just made me think of what JD fans said on Sunday on Meet the Press when he said, well, there's never been a conflict that didn't end with negotiating.

And

which of course is a thousand percent wrong.

So of course we had to play the clip from Animal House because 80 Vance turns out to be no smarter than the John Belushi character saying over.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No, we'll say when it's over.

You are again, you've been hit.

You have to figure out how you strike back.

And then in this case, the winning comes from voters clearly identifying who was actually at fault here and going to people who say

We're going to do better.

And the way I'd sum it up is this.

Democrats and Republicans alike have complained about what I would call BS Mountain.

But from the top of BS Mountain, if you get there, the view is pretty good.

And then they forget their promise to tear down BS Mountain.

So Democrats, it's really on you to promise to tear down BS Mountain when you get there and then actually get it.

going to have the last word on the live stream.

The next step is maintaining enough power in the government to fix the system so this can't happen again.

Well said, and thank you, Pat, for being on the show today.

I love having you on.

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very, very excited to have our next guest on the show today.

She is the Secretary of State for the state of Wisconsin, also candidate for Lieutenant Governor, and admitted numbers dork.

Sarah Godlowski, thank you so much for being on the show today.

I really appreciate you sharing, sharing time with us.

How are you today, man?

I'm good, Greg.

Well, thanks for having me.

And I hope Jane is enjoying her well-deserved vacation and tell her she's, she's missed.

Yes.

I will, I will pass that along.

I'm going to get like a poster and people can just sign it or I'll just sign messages for her when she comes back and I'll just be like, where are you?

Why this guy?

He has a mustache.

It's weird.

I don't know.

I was just going to say, but I love talking to you and hanging out anytime,

Greg.

Good save.

All right.

It's wonderful to have you back in the show.

We always love talking to you.

And since the last time you were here, you made a big announcement.

You are running for Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin in next year's election.

that is correct.

I

just announced on Wednesday

and we're on the

trail on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and it's been great.

Now, before we get into the campaigning, because that's, you know, we want, we want to talk about that.

We want to talk about, you know, what you see for that role in that office and what you plan and what you're kind of continuing the work you've already been doing for Wisconsin for so many years as, you know, in all the positions you've held, but.

Tell us about you.

Tell us about your story.

Tell us about where you come from and, you know, what's led you to where you are today.

Yeah, I mean, like they say, there's sometimes no straight line to where you go.

And I feel like for me, that's exactly true, Greg.

I mean, I was a political nobody from Western Wisconsin.

And, you know, my kind of entree, I guess you could say, into politics was Scott Walker.

you know that guy um

but

it was it was not just about you know i'm the product of a union family um my parents are public school teachers but it was more about some of the things he was doing behind the scenes and so at the time i was um helping folks with access to capital and i realized the amount of money silicon valley was getting in one day is what wisconsin was getting in an entire year and i'm like

This is wrong because we run on Main Street, not on Wall Street.

And so I reached out to the state treasurer because state treasurers across the country were doing more to empower their Main Street and didn't call me back, didn't call me back.

And I come to find out it's because Scott Walker was trying to get rid of the state treasurer's office, Greg, because who needs checks and balances in government?

Let's just get rid of the chief financial officer.

And that just seemed really suspicious to me.

And so I started asking folks, is there anything we're going to do about it?

They're like, Sarah, there's nothing you can do.

The governor and the legislature has made their decision.

They're going to get rid of this office.

And I found myself leading the bipartisan committee to save our fiscal watchdog.

And despite everybody saying there was no way we could do it, we won with a vote no with this.

with the majority.

Well, and that's, you know, that we were talking about this earlier with Pac Crite low.

It just seems like when you, why do you want to get rid of those things?

You know, like you said, like getting rid of the treasurer, that's it.

That's, that's getting rid of your accountant.

Why would I want to get rid of the person who is going to keep, who wants to make sure that we're spending our money correctly and taking in money and just

While it doesn't make sense, it makes complete sense if we're talking about the Scott Walker administration.

Well, I mean, and that's a, that's an important aspect of the story too.

It's like you come from Western Wisconsin, you come from folks who work for a living, you understand what it's like to, you know, look at the checkbook and go, okay, well, we can afford this for groceries and we can afford this for the school clothes and we can afford this for the car and budgeting and making sure that we are spending correctly and just being physical and truly fiscally responsible, not.

how that phrase is sometimes weaponized.

But yeah, I mean, and that's a great story too, because it's like you, someone said, no, you can't do that.

And you said, challenge accepted.

Right, great.

And I think, and that's exactly what happened too.

So then when we won to save the position, the question was, well, who's going to run for this office, Greg?

And I was like,

I don't know if this is anything I could do.

I've never run for political office.

My parents aren't political.

They're public school teachers.

My, you know, my parents talk about politics around the dinner table, but they, um, it wasn't necessarily like an active part of my life.

And I remember I was talking to my grandma when I was thinking about this and she's like, Sarah, don't ask for permission.

Just ask for forgiveness and do it.

Um, and that's what I did.

I.

through my name in as a political nobody from Western Wisconsin.

And yet in 2018, I flipped nine Trump counties.

Um, despite everybody telling me that there was just no way that this, you know, rookie, um, could do something like that.

Well, and that's something too.

That's a, I feel like a very interesting point of conversation, you know,

The, the national elections always say one thing, but as we've seen in the last two elections that, you know, for Susan Crawford and Janet prose say what's Wisconsin says something very differently.

And it's about we care about.

We care about our laws.

We care about our rules.

We care about the people.

And I think while you may think yourself at the time of political nobody, you're a Wisconsin somebody and that makes your voice valid in what needs to be said and listened to.

So it makes me happy.

I mean, I'm a political science person.

I'm a campaign person.

So I love hearing these stories.

And you chose lieutenant governor.

You want to run for lieutenant governor.

What is for you in the campaigning?

What do you see the envisioning for the office for yourself?

And what are you?

Hearing on the campaign trail as you travel throughout the state.

Well, I think there's a few things.

For starters, as a fifth generation Wisconsinite, Greg from Western Wisconsin, I mean, the state has given me so much, but I want it to be even better.

For the next generation, I think about my son.

And I wonder, is he going to be able to swim in the clean lakes and the clean rivers and play in our public lands?

I mean, is he going to be struggling to have two to three jobs just to stay ahead?

I worry about our public schools and not just thinking about the next generation when I've been traveling the state and I've been all over.

I mean, this is something I hear.

over and over again.

Like folks are seeing a system where they are struggling to like nurses I've been talking to, they're struggling to own homes in the neighborhood that they serve, but yet they're watching billionaires right off their second or third vacation house.

And it's like this system works for the wealthy and the powerful, but not for them.

And in kind of looking at these are complex.

issues, Greg.

It's not going to be one person in this just like magical ideas.

It's really a team of people that are going to be able to have to like roll up their sleeves and really solve these things.

And that's, to me, why I want to run for Lieutenant Governor is I want to be part of that leadership team that's going to be able to provide solutions to these issues that are keeping too many Wisconsinites up at night.

If you're just joining us, we are speaking to Wisconsin secretary of state and candidate for lieutenant governor, Sarah Godluschi.

And we're discussing her story, her campaign.

And I think, you know, that's a very, of course, a very valid point.

We were talking about at the beginning of the show today about the big bill for billionaires.

And it, it's already existing tax loopholes for millionaires, billionaires and corporations.

But the fact that 900 loopholes, $900 billion in loopholes are going to be quote,

freed up so they can take even more advantage and do what they wanted to do from the beginning, which was take money from my pocket, your parents' pocket and put it in their own and buy that fifth boat so they can get to their bigger boat.

We've had about six, seven months, eight months of Donald Trump in office.

You're talking to people on the campaign trail.

What are you hearing from people?

What is the thing that, you know,

That's connecting us regardless of like where you come from and regardless of maybe even who you voted for What is this?

What are the messages you're hearing that connects the the message of the people of Wisconsin to you?

Yeah, I think for me I mean look people lit want to live in Wisconsin because they believe it's the best place to live work and raise a family which a lot of that great comes down to affordability Yeah, and yet they're seeing how costs are rising whether it is from tariffs or

or additional taxes that have been kind of ultimately through kind of tariffs in the way that the economy has been run, it's Wisconsinites that have to pay for it.

And the reality is, is it's only going to get worse.

And let's take example, Greg, like the big BS bill.

I mean, they are cutting from example like Medicaid.

And we have 1.5 million Wisconsinites that rely on that for their health care.

And we think we're going to have to pay up to anywhere between at least a billion plus dollars to make up for that gap.

Whose costs is it going to have to rely on?

We are.

Wisconsin is going to have to figure out how we're going to be paying for this or the 700,000 families on food share.

And now food share is being lost, which is not just about the people who need those.

foods to like help them keep their families healthy.

But the farmers are losing out because that was a big supplier for them.

And so who again is going to have to try to make this up?

It's the state of Wisconsin.

And ultimately that goes back on taxpayers.

And it's not again, the wealthy or, you know, like corporations that are paying for it.

It's hard work in everyday Wisconsinites.

And that's just not right.

And as we've seen these cuts come through and there's more of a, almost a

aggressive demand from states to quote, step up, especially to the governors.

We also have a Madison, a legislator, legislation legislators in Madison who aren't big on spending money too.

So I don't even know where that money is cause they don't want to raise taxes because taxes are evil.

And I don't want to pay more taxes cause I pay enough in my opinion, but there has to be a breaking point.

And if Wisconsin has to come together and do something, then we also need people in that, in that state house.

who can work together and find solutions.

Well, I think what's so infuriating, Greg, is that I get it.

I want tax cuts and tax breaks for middle class and work in Wisconsinites.

We all need that

relief.

But what I get mad about is who's getting it.

Yeah.

And these corporations, not only are they getting a free pass, but they're also, no one's checking them.

I mean, at the federal government, if we would check them and actually hold them accountable for the taxes that they owe,

I mean, that would be billions of dollars that we could make up in these cuts that are happening, but they don't want to hold corporations accountable.

And to me, this is just ridiculous.

I think that we've seen, and you love numbers.

You are a person who crunches numbers.

You are a person.

I'm going to say it again because I just love it.

Numbers, dork, that's your, I think you should have a t-shirt that says that, but the numbers are also out there that say like, even if you just do the smallest bit of increases on corporations and on billionaires and millionaires, it doesn't even really cut into their overall wealth on the long run.

They never even really see those cuts to begin with because

It's such an infinitesimal take from what they already have.

And I want to keep this conversation going about, about this as well as your job as secretary of state, what you do for Wisconsin too, you know, your every day.

I know that you said you've built, you built that department up from a very small operation, but I want to talk more about that department when we come back.

We have a secretary of state, Sarah Godluschi on the show talking about her bid for lieutenant governor.

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We are talking to Wisconsin Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi, who is also

candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin.

And before we get back to the conversation, uh, Madam Secretary, I don't know.

I think it's Madam Secretary after the show.

Yes.

Can I, I'm going to go, Madam Secretary, I, we have this, there's, there's, there's, there's a problem.

We've, we've lost all of our nickels.

Uh, no.

Troy from Mount Horrib on W listening on WLAK.

That's a hard call sign to say, Calvin.

Why'd you make that happen?

Uh, texting and saying the good, the one good thing Walker brought us.

Wait for it.

Sarah Godluschi.

There it is.

So kind.

So good.

What's face it?

There's nothing else.

My God.

Yeah.

No, no, no, I've really cam.

I'm searching my mind right now for all the pros.

Gone.

Nothing.

Nothing.

We were talking earlier about your story.

We were talking about your bid for Lieutenant Governor, what you're hearing from the people.

And I got to say, for me, this is what we hear from a lot of candidates we have on the show.

Everyone's worried about their kitchen table economics.

I think one of the things that happened last year is we had a great economy.

Nationally, the indicators were there to say the economy was getting better and better, but people were suffering at home.

And that's a hard thing to translate.

And we're seeing more of that by paying more for school supplies right now.

And the thing that I fear too is you can't not buy some things.

Kids need their supplies for school.

You need food.

You need to take care of the house or your apartment.

People are going to be putting things on credit cards with high interest rates, and that's not a way to go either.

And you are a person who got into this as the treasurer.

You are the secretary of state.

As secretaries say, what is your job for us?

For people who do not know, what is your job for us?

How do you help Wisconsin?

What is your daily nine to five?

I know there's probably a lot going on, but what is involved at being at the State Department for Wisconsin?

Madam

Secretary.

Um, so when, when you think of the word secretary, this is kind of how I like to explain it when I go into high school classes and talk about these different elected offices and a few things come to mind, right?

One might be the secretary of state nationally.

Yes.

And believe it or not, we do a lot with kind of

international work.

So if you would ever want to expand a business overseas, or if you would want to adopt a child or study abroad, that all has to come through our office.

And you can't go to the Secretary of State in Minnesota or Illinois or Michigan, you have to come to us.

And so we manage about 15,000 cases, at least a year, helping folks.

get what they need because this isn't just good from like a family who have been trying to adopt a child.

And finally get that notification and we want to be there for them to a small cheese company.

This was one of the first ones I did when I was secretary of state that finally gets to sell their cheese to Canada.

And that's like good for us.

And so we deal with a lot of different kind of international cases there.

Um, we also, when you think of a secretary, you think of the administration.

And so we're kind of in that chief operating officer role.

So any of the, a lot of the archives or records that the state needs to keep, whether it's both of offices or pardons, um, we manage all of that.

And one of our big initiatives was making sure that work was modernized, Greg.

So you could get all of these records online and not have to come and visit me in Madison.

Uh, that was like, mm-hmm.

Yep.

So that was a big piece of it.

And then the other fact part of it is we do do work.

We sit on the commission for the Board of Commissioners of Public Lands.

It's a $1.5 billion trust fund.

I actually share that fund and it provides funding for our public schools, particularly for books and technology.

And so that's been another another big.

piece of it.

But my big work in kind of getting to this office is going back to the Republicans, they literally cut off the funding.

And so a lot of our job has been working through modernizing this office, whether it's through accessible services to improving transparency and accountability.

You know, I just want to just say this.

Let's keep looking at the people who are trying to cut things off, cut things out, make it harder for Wisconsinites Americans to get what they need done, whether it's affording groceries or voting.

I just want to say that as a statement to the wind of radio.

It's amazing, the things you must have to deal with as far as just trying to do something, not as simple, but as non-controversial as trying to get a cheese company available in Canada.

And for a while, it was taking a long time for Wisconsinites to get these services.

And so we've improved wait times, and we've tried to meet them where they are.

Because no one should have to drive from Superior or Green Bay to get these services done in Madison.

That's not meeting folks where they are.

And so I'm really proud.

It's not like the sexy thing, Greg.

It's like, you know, it's for just delivery.

But it's what they expect from their government.

And that's what we've worked really hard.

to do.

And I'll tell you, the Republicans have made it very difficult, but we've succeeded.

Well, that we can leave for another conversation because we'd love to have you back in the show because you are absolutely delight.

We love talking to you.

Sarah Godlowski is the Wisconsin Secretary of State, also running for Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin.

Good luck on the campaign trail.

Good luck in the office, Madam Secretary.

And we look forward to having you back sooner than later.

Well, thanks, Greg, for having me.

It's always fun to be here.

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Today we are talking about what did you do on your summer vacation?

We know that the, we know it's still August.

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We opened the windows.

It had a nice cool night of sleep.

It was absolutely lovely, but the autumn is coming.

There's no stopping it.

Time stops for no one.

And as the months and the weeks and the days get cooler,

thinking about the end of summer.

We've already gotten our state fair out of system.

Back to school is starting up.

So I just wanted to know from you, what did you do this summer on your vacation?

Did you go anywhere?

Did you staycation?

Did you did that vacation involve chores or work?

We were talking last week about self care.

And that is a very important aspect of living.

You must take care of yourself.

Do what you need to do, whether it's a massage, whether it's a book, whether it's going for regular walks, but

Self-care also is involved in vacationing and we want to know what you did for vacationing.

And I bring this up actually because last week, and I know, and Jane put it, I don't know who approved this.

I don't know if it was the radio gods or Kevin Feige from Marvel or the other guy from DC, but Calvin, you were on vacation.

Where did you go?

It

was actually Bob Iger himself, the head of Disney, the whole thing.

I knew you were connected buddy.

I didn't know you were Bob Iger connected.

No, I went to

Las Vegas Yeah, you did you went to Las Vegas and you went you went for a specific reason too

Yeah, so I have a younger brother and a younger sister I'm the oldest of three kids and my sister who is the youngest turned 21 So we took a little family vacation to Las Vegas to celebrate.

That's great And you had a good and you and I this is something I didn't know about you Calvin until you brought it up But you do you enjoy you enjoy putting a little money down on the cards or on the slots as they would say don't you?

Yeah, unfortunately well

I mean, it's fun, but yeah, yeah, it can definitely got to know when to cut it off.

Well, absolutely.

And from what you've told me, you do like you didn't come home with your pockets turned out going, I lost the house.

Well, luckily I don't have a house to

lose.

I lost my parents house and they're so mad.

But you had a good time.

You relaxed.

Was there anything besides, besides, um, besides the tables, besides the.

gambling, did, was there anything else to report?

Was there any, I know that Las Vegas has great meals, their shows, or was your family just like, we're going to do, we're going to go to the tables.

We're going to have some fun and lay down some money and see, see literally where the chips may fall.

Well, so I've been seen on social media that apparently Vegas is like really dead and it's a ghost town.

Okay.

Now I will say we were there Thursday night to Sunday morning.

So we were,

Probably there at a prime time, but if that was dead then I have no idea what it looks like when it's busy because it was packed

Yeah,

I mean Yeah Friday night we went ahead or Saturday night we went and had dinner on the strip and the strip is

It's very commercialized.

Yes.

Yes.

Um, for those who don't know really quick, I mean, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's to set the picture.

Las Vegas has two main parts.

They have downtown, which is the oldest part.

It's the older part.

It's what was developed back in the forties and fifties by the mafia.

Uh, and it's where you had like, you know, the golden nugget was there, the flamingo, the sands, and then it moved to the strip, which is more modern.

It's, you know, it's been around for quite a while, but that's where like, you know, the, uh, what's the Caesar's Palace is there, the MGM grand, and that's where all the big flashy hotels are at.

So you went down to the strip for some amazing time food for what did you, what brought you to the strip?

Uh, yeah.

I mean, we went to, uh, the hard rock cafe for dinner, not overly adventurous, but yeah, it was good enough.

Um, and then for our hotel was down on.

off of Fremont Street, which is downtown.

Fremont Street's really cool.

It's got, I don't know, I almost reminded me of say like the Dells almost.

Yes.

Yes.

It's like the classic Vegas lights.

There's this awning down the whole street that has like lights and color shows on it.

That's pretty cool.

And yeah, just food on the side, little shops you can go into.

So Fremont Street was

a cool thing to walk down.

Fremont

Street has definitely been updated.

In fact, it would feel probably even more like Wisconsin Dells if you saw the old version of Fremont Street without that ceiling that that Fremont Street has.

And it was just, it was just kind of that place where you're like, I'm going to gamble.

I'm going to Fremont Street.

You're not going there for parties.

You're not going there for, for anything other than really just laying down money on the tables.

But I'm glad you did that.

But I think what's really great is that you didn't spend the whole, so your vacation was for about a week.

And I think this is very important for people.

And if you want to share your vacation stories with us, 855-752-484-2855-75 Civic or leave a comment on the live stream.

PJ on the live stream says, vacation, what's that?

Does one need a job to take one of those?

My life is a vacation.

I mean, that's a vacation.

That's some time off.

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We appreciate you.

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I think Pat is an amazing baseline.

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What did you do on your?

Vacation this summer if you took a vacation, but you went to make you went to Vegas But then you came home and you still had some time off and then you did what I think is very important.

You just relaxed

Yeah, I chilled to the max.

Oh Calvin.

Yeah, that was please my attempt to sound like a young kid

No, you actually sound like a young kid from like 1984

Yeah, I don't do

so you said you have younger siblings.

Do any of your siblings say chill to the max?

No, I don't know where that came from.

Okay.

All right.

Good job.

You've hit your first old man milestone.

Good job, buddy.

We're here all for that.

But yeah, no, I just relax played video games

And it's pretty much it.

I tried to paint some of my miniature figures, but I kind of got frustrated.

Oh, that's too bad.

But I, well, you still got to relax though, right?

Yeah.

No, it was a fun time.

Do you have a, so this is my problem.

I have a hard time vacationing.

It's hard to like, in order to take a vacation, I have to think about it.

I have to sit down and look at the calendar, work it out.

If I'm taking a vacation on my own, talk to my wife.

If I'm going on vacation with my wife, talk to my wife and.

really work it out.

Some people can just say, we're taking off for the weekend.

We're taking off for four days.

I can't do that.

It provides a level of anxiety that makes all of that unfun to me.

Are you good at taking vacations?

That's something you easily, you can put the phone down, get work out of your brain and just focus on relaxing.

Yeah, there's some, some people in my life that would probably tell you I'm too good at that.

Really?

Yeah, no, I'm definitely good.

I, I fear to call myself lazy, but that might be an app description.

I, I enjoy just lounging around the house and doing nothing.

Yeah.

I think that, uh, I think that's also like, we did that a few, we did that many years ago.

We, we went to Disney world in 2012.

It was the, like the month and a half before I got married and with my family, my mom, my sister, her husband and the kids.

And

It's, Disney world is great.

It's an attack on the senses.

I don't know if you've ever been, been to Disney world, but it's an attack on this.

It's kind of, I mean, honestly can be like Vegas.

There's so much happening.

There's lights.

There's sound.

There's people.

There's smells.

And what we did after that is we got into a car and we drove, I believe east to the other side of Florida and we sat on the beach and Coco beach for three days and did nothing.

And that was really, really wonderful because,

It just got you really relaxed.

It allows you to decompress from your vacation with another vacation.

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Calvin, do you have any other vacations planned for this year?

Any other like getting away out of town things going on?

No, I'm just probably...

sticking in the house for the rest of the year.

Oh boy.

Hunkering down, getting ready for the cold.

Before we know it, it'll be Christmas.

Oh boy.

I know.

It happens every year though.

You should be used to it by now.

It's going to be happening.

You can't stop it.

Well, Greg, I've only had 26 years to get used to it.

So I'm still, still adapting.

You're still adapting.