This Isn’t New, It’s Always Been Happening (Hour 2)

Good morning and welcome, welcome to Matt Nair on air.

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Busy show lined up for you today.

Andra Watkins, who is a New York Times bestselling author, and she also grew up in a Christian nationalist household.

She's going to be joining us once a month for some updates.

A lot of Christian nationalists were involved in the writing of Project 2025.

And we are seeing now some of the fruits of that.

And that I would say is pretty easily evidenced by the head of the Department of Defense, Pete Hegseth, retweeting his pastor.

And Pete Hegseth's pastor wants to see the 19th Amendment repealed.

His women shouldn't be voting,

Greg.

if you would just be in the kitchen while having babies, barefoot, making dinners and meals and stuff like that, you wouldn't have time to vote, or I'll tell you what, we'll compromise.

We'll give every household two votes for every adult and then the male can cast that vote.

For me, because I don't

have the...

But I'm just not smart enough.

I know that JD bands put it out there like everybody in the house should get a vote and then the parents should get but that's crazy.

So let's just start with You entrust your vote to your husband, right?

because he knows best as P. Hexeth is the perfect example of

Guy knows best.

Exactly.

So we're going to talk about that with Andra Watkins coming up after the 9 to 30 news.

Hour number two, haven't talked to him in too long.

Robert Pilot, who is with Native Roots Radio, is going to be joining us.

We're going to talk about the decision to cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Public Radio has been a big...

resource for native populations across the country, including here in Wisconsin.

So we're going to talk to Robert about what that's going to mean going forward.

And then in also an hour, number two, as we do, we'll lighten it up a little audio survey.

Oh, baby.

Get away from the news.

Take a breath.

This is coming from yesterday.

I created this huge controversy.

Oh, it's all I I kind of feel like I'm the one who

Well,

it was Casper.

Yeah, let's blame

Chris.

We'll blame Chris Casper.

There you

go.

We're gonna do Dill Pickles versus Sweet Pickles.

Yeah, I don't know.

The war is on.

The war is won, people.

The war is on.

The war is won.

We know who wins.

We know who's the best.

I'm

not the only one who goes both ways.

Come on.

You're just going to keep saying that.

I am.

Yeah,

you're just going to keep saying

that.

I

am.

So that's that's audio survey and we'll wrap up the show as we always do.

With this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the Sleeping Beauty Edition.

There's a clue there.

OK,

stay tuned for that.

We are continuing to recover from the flooding over the weekend.

Every time now I drive around the city of Milwaukee, I see more people with stuff out on their curbs even coming down to Racine today.

I saw a number of folks who had stuff out on their curbs.

If you are still dealing with flooding, like thousands and thousands of people are, do know that the city of Milwaukee will collect flood damaged couches and carpeting from the curb.

You can't leave, though, small electronics, TVs, big gas appliances like your water heaters and stuff like that.

That they ask you to either

call for a pickup, a special pickup, or take it to one of the two drop-off centers, which are expanding their hours and they're waiving all the fees

as

well.

So that is through this week.

Take advantage of it.

The city opening up their drop-off centers until tomorrow at 7 p.m., no fee to drop off flood-related debris.

Yard waste is canceled this week.

Obviously, so crews can focus on picking up the debris.

It's just a mess.

Yeah, it's really just an unbelievable mess.

This from TMJ for free cleanup supplies available today at Lowe's in Franklin and in Walworth, Hossa.

That's great.

I mean, yeah, I feel, you know, I've got friends who are, you know,

dealing with this stuff as well.

And I'm just, once again, just feeling incredibly lucky that we did not have to worry about this, but my heart goes out to everybody.

And please, please, please take advantage of these services if you can.

And also, as we said yesterday, if you're someone who wasn't affected or has the ability, if you can offer up your laundry, offer up your shower, if they need to a couch, just, you know, there are ways you can help if this hasn't affected your life that are very, very simple.

And the laundry thing probably is going to be

the biggest one because some people are, as you said, without power and therefore you can't do anything in your house if you have no power.

Well, without power and you also can't use your washer and dryer

if

they have been submerged.

I have a washer dryer guy coming tomorrow.

We got off, we were so lucky.

We only hit six inches of water.

I think Earl Ingram was on with Pat this morning.

They had three feet of water

in their

basement.

Three feet.

Again.

We had six inches.

We got up super easy.

What happened with Earl is he's not alone.

There's lots of people seeing more stories this morning about folks whose basement walls collapsed.

Yes.

That's massive structural damage will cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars.

And apparently won't be covered by insurance possibly.

So

there's that.

Each Lowe's store, again, the Lowe's in Wauwatosa and also in Franklin today, they're going to have more than 190 Lowe's buckets filled with supplies, with sponges and flashlights and water and trash bags and hand sanitizer.

If you can find a good, squeezy mop and hang on to it because you're going to need

it.

And they're, they're at a priority.

I had to go to Elm Grove on Monday.

When I, when I was off, I had to go to Elm Grove to find a decent mop.

Geez as everything was gone.

So also the one thing that they are asking Even for us and again six inches that was nothing Compared to what everybody else got but they do want you to report if you had water in your basement This gives them an opportunity to at least know how much damage

how widespread the damage was.

So we're going to include these links in our show notes.

A lot of it you can do online.

Or you can call 211.

You can also call the city.

They're being inundated with calls.

We'll find stuff and put it in the show notes.

You're looking at me like, what?

There's stuff available, but they do want you to report if you can.

So again, at least they know how far the damage was, how extensive it was.

to go as we go forward.

Moving along.

Bill Berrien has put his name in the ring to run for governor of Wisconsin.

He's one of the two Republicans that we know of right now, three-ish if you count Tom Tiffany.

Whitefish Bay Manufacturing CEO Bill Berrien says he wants to eliminate state permit requirements for gun owners who want concealed carry.

Quote, I believe that every American is granted a carry permit, and that's in the form of the Second Amendment, and I think we need to get back to personal responsibility, freedom, and this focus on constitutional carry is one of those examples.

I've shot tens of thousands of rounds during my time in the SEAL teams, and a gun's safe full of guns and all that.

We should not have government assuming that everyone is incompetent, really, until they prove otherwise it is their right under the Second Amendment."

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I'm not a gun owner.

I have family members who are gun owners.

I don't think that is a stretch that we ask that people have one training class.

before they can concealed carry a weapon.

Why is that such an egregious

ask?

Well, I just want to look at the entirety of this statement, which is, I will say very odd.

Because, first of all, the assumption that we are incapable of handling firearms, we have enough gun violence in this country to show that

I don't want to say it's incompetence, but it's definitely ignorance in how to handle firearms.

Well, maybe it's maybe, maybe ignorance versus incompetence is the same thing.

But I, I don't want to insult gun owners, but we, as a country, we have a, we have a problem with usage.

Yes.

And correct me if I'm wrong.

Cause I, I, I, when this, when Wisconsin came to the whole concealed carry, uh,

game, which we were one of the states that came to it latest back in the day.

From what I understand, the permit process is not a week long, rigorous, multi-thousand dollar thing.

There's one being held at the Elk's Lodge by my house almost every month for concealed carry permit.

And yes, I'm sure there's training in there.

but they're not going to the back of the building to arrange to do that either.

They're literally just looking at the rules that they need to do, checking off the boxes, probably taking a pretty simple test and then getting your concealed carry permit.

And from what I've been told by a friend of mine, he said, you don't even have to be a licensed trainer either.

Like you can just say, I'm gonna do concealed carry permit classes.

Even though you don't have

Any kind of

certification

yeah, I would love to I honestly if you've been through concealed carry training Please call us and tell us I'd love to know like the ins and because I I'm also not a gun owner I don't plan on going to conceal carry training, but but frankly like I Don't think it's too much to ask for a small bit of one-time training to allow yourself to carry a weapon on your person This isn't infringing on the second amendment to to

enforce this.

I mean, we've been over this over and over and over again.

People agree that we need stronger gun laws.

We need background checks, red flag laws.

We need those things.

We should have those things.

That's what we believe.

And

the vast majority of Wisconsinites agree.

Yep.

And

I think what he's, I mean, if you read the article, see where he is when he's giving this interview.

It's a very pro-Second Amendment platform he is on at the time when he's talking about it.

I also find it interesting that in this instance for these big Second Amendment fans, they're very adamant that words be taken in context.

Shall not be infringed is something I hear all the time.

These rights shall not be infringed.

That's written in concrete.

That can't be changed.

But when it comes to the census and the census saying all persons should be counted, not citizens, that's not in concrete, though.

Well, and the same thing can be applied to the viewpoint of habeas corpus.

All persons on this land are availed due process, regardless of your status, regardless of your citizenship.

Yes.

Yes.

It's always, the goals, the goalposts always change for them.

And the other thing I want to say really quick is the quote, I've shot tens of thousands of rounds during my time in the SEAL teams and a gun safe full of guns and all that.

We should not have government assuming that everyone is incompetent until they approve otherwise.

I'm going to assume, sir, first of all, thank you for your service deeply and respectfully.

Thank you for your service.

I'm going to assume tens of thousands of rounds shot during your time at SEAL was during your training to handle a gun in the Navy SEALs for the

government.

So we handle it safely.

Unless you were just running around shooting guns.

One wonders.

Yeah.

Coming up.

Rewriting history at the Smithsonian.

As one pundit puts it, this is bad.

That's coming up.

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This is bad MSNBC host alarmed by Trump's really dangerous new order the White House ordering the Smithsonian Institution

to align its exhibits with Trump's vision of American history.

This is the man who said that our Civil War troops were storming the airports, didn't he?

Oh, I believe it was the Revolutionary War.

Oh, was it the Revolutionary War?

And then they were storming the airports?

They stormed the

airports.

Yeah.

We're going to go along with his vision of American history.

That's just great.

Eight museums are covered under this order

They have 120 days to replace divisive or ideologically driven language with unifying, historically accurate, constructive descriptions.

So we're going to change history to make him feel better, essentially.

SE Cup on MSNBC, they were talking about this last night.

Calvin, can we play that clip, please?

One of the first things Russia did after it invaded Ukraine illegally was have the Ministry of Culture review all the museums to make sure that they were sufficiently pro-Russian exceptionalism.

It took over around 40 museums in Ukraine.

It turned one museum in Mariupol, Ukraine, into the Museum of Andrei Zvanov, who was Stalin's propaganda minister.

This stuff

happens all the time in totalitarian and authoritarian countries that want to whitewash history for the benefit of propaganda.

It's not about highlighting, putting one thing in this corner versus that corner.

It's the difference between history and propaganda.

We already saw this.

He removed, they removed his impeachments from an exhibit.

And I was

impeached twice by the way that happened

in a year.

What a what an accomplishment Yeah, I also just always want to point out that and I'm sure to many will they'll say rhino But se cup is a Republican a conservative who is talking about this as well.

So this is not some liberal rag.

This is se cup who is a a respected and lauded journalist who is a Republican and this is Frightening and we talked about this we talked about this before

These are the distractions they are going to cause to keep you away from the big bill for billionaires the Epstein files But those distractions now have to elevate and escalate in their in their attention seeking to make you take your eyes off of what's really important which is adding to our deficit and you know

Eventually, letting a woman who took part in the Epstein crimes just go eventually.

She has work released now.

She'll have work released.

Yeah.

She has work released.

Yeah.

So honestly, we could probably ask Andrew Watkins what she thinks those museums will look like with regard to a vision of American history.

Yeah.

This is very, very troubling.

Very, very troubling, as Jonathan Lemire said, on MSNBC, this is really bad and really, really dangerous.

A nation needs to know its history.

It has to be honest about its history to learn from it, honor it, and grow and improve.

There is no way rewriting history to fit one man's vision is good for a nation's health or good for our country's democracy.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And there is ones

One shining bright light in my heart about things like this is that when the age of Access to information more voices being able to be carried out into the world for now.

I understand for now We can

still put that history out there in the world.

The things that actually happened are true.

Sometimes shameful past needs to be out there and to reckon with it.

It's called owning it and

acknowledging all of it.

Personal responsibility.

There you go.

Coming up, taking away women's right to vote.

It's all part of the plan.

According to Project 2025, Andrew Watkins joins us next.

Stay with us on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Like shining in the dark Leading me on towards a change of heart

Good morning.

Welcome.

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For such a time as this, Andra Watkins is here.

Good morning, Andra.

So good to see you.

Good morning, everybody.

It's great to be here.

There's a lot to talk about.

There always

is

these days,

right?

Yes,

there certainly is.

Andra, by the way, in case you have never heard, Andra, she's been a guest on our show before.

But Andra grew up in a white nationalist household.

And so has really interesting insights, I think that a lot of us don't have just because of your background.

We've talked to you in the past about Christian nationalism and how important they were in the writing of Project 2025.

And now we have Pete Hegseth, the head of the Department of Defense, who made headlines last week.

He shared a video on social media showing his church pastors, the communion of reformed evangelical churches.

His pastor thinks that women shouldn't have the right to vote.

And many white Christian nationalists men subscribe to this view.

I applaud CNN for

featuring these people, even though they featured them as some sort of really extremist outlier group.

But what I want people to understand is there are millions of Americans who subscribe to these viewpoints.

People have done, the Pew Research Organization has done a study of how many American Christians are radicalized Christian nationalists.

And I ran some numbers and it could be anywhere from 20 million to 60 million Americans who are radicalized.

Maybe every single one of them don't think that women should have the right to vote repealed and the 19th Amendment repealed.

But there are millions and millions of Doug Wilson's.

and his weak, pathetic, Christian nationalist brethren that you met on CNN in the United States today.

So please don't take that interview, and Pete hags this response to it as being, well, these are just a few wackos.

It's millions and millions of Americans, and we have to take this radicalized religious extremism seriously.

And the preparation for this has been going on for decades.

This movement has been around and kind of operating in the background for a long, long time.

50 years.

They've been working toward this for 50 years.

So this kind of indoctrination is very commonplace in Christian nationalism where men are the heads of the home.

And women submit to them which they talked about in the interview talked about it very proudly but they Expand that to all women are supposed to submit to men that that's the common order of society We you know in my lifetime Women have gained a huge number of rights that for much of history women did not have There were rules from medieval times at least that were called Coverture

that governed women's existence and so women were owned by the men in their lives.

They

weren't separate people.

Women went from being their fathers being responsible to them for them if they didn't have a father than an uncle or a brother was responsible for them until they married and then their husbands were responsible for them and they were subsumed into their husbands.

asset class of things that they owned and if they lost their husband and weren't remarried right away then their father or their brother or their uncle or some other man became responsible for them.

So in my lifetime we've seen women be able to get away from that kind of ownership and do things like own property and have bank accounts and get their own credit.

and be able to have jobs and careers.

And these are all things that these Christian nationalist men want to take back and remove from women.

So it's not just about being in the home and submitting.

It's women submit to men everywhere, all the time, just like.

you know in Afghanistan with a tower being

back to the good old days essentially

yeah yeah good old days for white christian nationalist men

yeah for white men yes that times were great when you were me uh great

i got nothing to say i don't represent the white men of any i'm just i'm just me i'm i'm i'm no i'm i

i

Two things one I whenever we talk about the context of white men, which I am one of those individuals and I apologize I always try to put myself into that thinking of How do you even come to that place?

I guess I can never because I was never and I'll say it indoctrinated trained you think that way the notion of

Women as property or women as subservient or I am the head of this or I am in charge I was never raised in that kind of household from start to finish So it makes no sense to me But one of the things I really want to push home on this Andrew is yet that the calculations of how many people believe in this but also the fact that Pete Hegseth would retweet this 10 15 years ago, this would never happen You you you may believe it, but you're not dumb enough or bold enough or maybe both

to say something out loud.

What we are seeing now are politicians, influencers, journalists who agree with this and say it either like, well, I don't know.

It's of every family's different or they come right out and say it.

So it's not, it's, it is absolutely not the fringe wackos.

It is in our politicians.

It is in our journalism.

It is in our everyday life.

And I'm not saying, oh, you might, the person on your right might believe in that.

But what I'm saying is, is you can't, you can't discount the idea that

People who are voting on laws that represent us have these opinions because as you said, Andrew, it's been 50 years.

It has been it has been though.

It has been waiting in the tall grass.

So don't think these people are wackos who should be ignored.

They are not the fringe.

They are the they are the mainstream to a certain extent.

Yes, they are and or they're being mainstream,

right?

Yeah,

no one of the things that they've done really well.

that I've talked about a lot is they had this private way of talking where they'd say things like this amongst themselves and they wouldn't get in front of a camera or a microphone and say them.

Now that they're consolidating power, they feel like they can bring more of their private crazy, their private extremism out into the public sphere and pound their chests and be proud of it.

And so that's what you see Pete Hegseth doing even three years ago, Greg.

They would not have gotten in front of a microphone or a camera or put something like this on social media.

The head of the Department of Defense would not have done that.

But now they feel like they're consolidating enough power and there are enough of them in the right positions that they can say things like this, that they can try to even more mainstream these thoughts and these beliefs and try to force them into our public spaces and into our laws.

And that's what their goals are.

You know, that's what Doug Wilson wants.

Yes.

He wants a Christian nationalist theocracy and he says that readily, but so does Russell vote who's the head of the Office of Management and Budget and controls now the purse strings of the entire federal government.

He only believes that white Christian nationalist men should be politicians and should be working in government and he's gone on the record is saying that.

So they're very publicly saying things now that they would only say privately even two or three years ago It's frightening but Americans have to stop being complacent and realize that this isn't just a small cadre of crazy people it's millions and millions of Americans

If you're just joining us, you'll listen to Matt Naranair on the Civic Media Radio Network.

We are speaking with Andrew Walkins, who is a New York Times bestselling author, also has a wonderful sub-stack called For Such a Time as This.

And Andrew, I think also, I think that's a great way you put it, the mainstreaming of this idea.

I also think something that we need to combat

is also the fact that we just have so much information coming at us at all time.

It's every day there is a controversial thing out there.

Someone has said something that's surely going to get someone in trouble and they don't get in trouble because two hours later something else happens.

So Pete Hegseth tweeting this retweeting this person out.

It's awful, it's terrible, but

an hour later, the people who are outraged are moving on to something else because they're either picking their kids up or they're watching a different news story.

So I guess the question I have is how do people then engage in these topics in a, in a meaningful, relative way to keep them fresh, essentially, because like we're trying not to let people forget about Epstein.

We're trying to not let people forget about the big, beautiful bill for billionaires, but it's tough.

But it's all connected.

So, you know, the people who are pushing all of these things are pushing all of these things at once.

And a lot of these things are being done as distractions to keep us from paying attention to the MAGA murder law now that's stripping our safety nets and our health care and other things away so that billionaires can have tax breaks.

A lot of this other stuff is theater for that.

But you have to understand that the people in the background in the administration who were really in charge who were really implementing this Use the president because he's really good at keeping people distracted

and

outraged and giving us things to chase So you know my advice to Americans is don't even pay attention to him

I very seldom write about him or talk about him.

You know, I keep the attention on these people in the background who were really in charge of implementing this stuff.

So rather than talk about Pete Hexeth, I try to talk about the Christian nationalist men who are behind people like Pete Hexeth, who are encouraging them to have these opinions and keep the pressure on them and keep people paying attention to them because

They are the real problems, and that's who we should be talking about every day.

As

part of the attention.

Of the bigger picture, yeah,

most

definitely.

And I think it's important.

Going back to something you said, that this effort to mainstream this Christian nationalist view has been going on for decades.

That's been going on for 50 years.

And the Duggars, remember the Duggar family with their 9,000 children and all the controversies that followed that.

Amazon has a great piece called Shiny Happy People about the Duggars and that whole movement.

That was the quiverful movement.

They're all kind of interconnected, right?

As far as women being second.

class citizens.

And essentially, we're just there to have, we're there to deliver babies, which Pete Hegg says, favorite pastor says, requires no skill.

Right.

And women are just, you know, people who produce other people, it just doesn't require any talent.

Yeah, yeah, we're just vessels and chattel.

And that's really all we're good for.

So, you know, that is a key component of whatever flavor of Christian nationalism.

you're touting or they're touting um one of the things that I say a lot of the times when I come on here though is these people all hate each other internally so Doug Wilson doesn't believe that women should have any leadership role in the church as an example so he hates

the dominionist new apostolic reformation faction where people like Paula White Kane who have the ear of the president can be in leadership positions.

So there's going to at some point be a huge ruption between these factions because they don't agree about a lot of things.

Or to continue our conversation with Andrew Watkins, best-selling New York Times author and the owner of the substack called for such a time as this.

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Good morning.

Welcome back to Matt Nair on air.

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We are joined by Andrew Watkins.

She is a New York Times best-selling author and also has a great sub-stack called For Such a Time as This and has been watching very closely the increasing

Influence of Christian nationalism in the Trump administration thanks to some of the authors of Project 2025.

We now have these Christian nationalist members within the Trump administration working in the administration.

Pete Hegseth, the head of the Defense Department retweeted his favorite pastor last week, Doug Wilson, who doesn't think women should have the right to vote.

Let's go back to the good old days, like the 1800s when everything was ducky.

Andra, you have a really good column that you shared about what we can do to fight back against this and who our defenders need to be.

I think this is really an important message.

And I want to go back to Greg's comment about apologizing for being a white man.

You shouldn't apologize for being a white man, Greg.

You're one of the men.

who could be standing up to this right now, which you are, but Christian nationalist men are trained not to listen to women.

They do not listen to women speak.

They do not give women opportunities to talk.

They do not hear women.

I said earlier today to someone else.

Women to them are like the Charlie Brown cartoons.

And when adults talk in the Charlie Brown cartoons, it's,

It's a second annoying annoying noise and to white Christian nationalist men That's women talking and also to white Christian nationalist women They are indoctrinated to only listen to men and to the other white Christian nationalist women that those white Christian nationalist men tell them to listen to so they don't listen to any other women either besides the women those men tell them to listen to

So it's really important.

Women can fight back against this and we are.

But men have to stand up to this and say, this is not acceptable.

We are not going to sit back and watch you white Christian nationalist men attack our women, attack other women, remove rights from women.

oppress women, tell women they can't vote, tell women they can't have bodily autonomy.

And it's really important for men to get that message right now because Heather Cox Richardson wrote a few months ago about the Taliban and how when they first came in

in

Afghanistan, they took rights away from women.

Women are practically enslaved in their homes now in Afghanistan and can't even leave their homes without a male relative who's an escort for them.

But now in the past few months, the Taliban have switched to men.

They tell men how to wear their beards.

They tell men how to dress.

They give men tickets if they don't go to temple, to Islamic temple, a certain number of times a month, because they're required to be there.

And if they miss a certain number of times now, they can be jailed and fined.

I bet they don't like that.

And the men, the men are saying, what is this?

You know, we didn't want this kind of control and we wish we had stepped up a couple of years ago or more when they were taking rights away from women now.

We didn't realize they'd come after us.

So men realize that these men will come after you too and step up now and defend women because you're the only people they might listen to and you're the people who might be able to stop them.

And that's something that completely aligns with an idea we have talked about for a long time now, which is, yes, you may support this.

You may think some of these ideas are great coming out of the Trump administration, but eventually they will affect you too.

And then we're already seeing people who were saying, I didn't vote for this.

Yes, you did.

Own it.

and let's move on together but you have to own the fact that you voted for this and it'll affect you eventually someday and you standing there going well I didn't know this was going to happen I don't like this you don't but here we are let's move together and let's go forward but yes that is an amazing example and

We yes, we see it all the time people was like I just I just didn't know this was gonna happen to us I'm like well, that's that doesn't matter anymore.

We got it.

We got to work well and admit that you were lied to yes that

you were lied to that's probably the hardest part

Well, and it's funny to me to watch somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green now

who is a woman who has voted for all of this, who has enabled all of this, and suddenly it seems like scales are falling off of her eyes and she's realizing that enabling all of these white Christian nationalist men and supporting them and parroting what they say is not giving her more power.

It's not elevating her any further.

I think she realizes that at some point she's gonna be told, you've served your purpose, go back home and stay at home now.

And so that...

is what a few of these women I think are starting to see.

But they're coming for all of us and they will eventually come for you men.

So stand up now.

Say no now.

It's imperative that you do.

Andrew Watkins is a New York Times best-selling author, has an incredible sub-stack.

I highly encourage you to subscribe.

It's called For Such a Time as This.

We will include a link in our show notes.

Andrew Watkins, thank you so very much.

Really, really appreciate your insight.

We will see you next month.

Bye.

We have news coming up next, and then we're going to talk to Robert Pilot from Native Roots Radio.

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Audio sorbet.

We clean your ears with

fun.

There you go.

Today's groundbreaking discussion will be sweet pickles versus dill pickles.

I started a war yesterday.

I didn't realize this was such a hot topic, but sweet versus dill pickles.

That's audio survey after 1030.

Well, wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the sleeping beauty edition.

Stay tuned for that.

Right now, we are delighted to be joined by Robert Pilot.

He is the host of Native Roots Radio and has one of the best voices on the planet.

In fact, I'm going to be sending you my refrigerator manual, Robert, so you can record it.

And then I can play it at night when I'm trying to fall asleep.

Robert Pilot, I see you.

Good morning, Robert.

Easy, easy.

Thanks for having me on.

That was awesome.

I'm really glad to be here and talk about some things.

And I just got to give a quick shout out to Civic Media for really amplifying native bits radio all over Wisconsin too.

So just want to give a shout out to Civic Media right away before I forget because

I have a good memory, but it's short.

Hey, I'm with you on that.

By the way, Native Roots Radio airs across the network from eight to nine weeknights here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Fantastic show.

Robert is the host again, Native Roots Radio here across the network weeknights from eight to nine on Civic Media.

Robert, one of the reasons why we wanted to talk to you was about the recent decision

of to cut the corporation for public broadcasting.

Yeah, that helps pay for PBS and PR, 1500 local radio and TV stations, of course, programs like Sesame Street and so many more.

And public radio has really been critically important for our native populations for a long time, correct?

Oh, absolutely.

And, you know, we do a native radio does the best of on W O J B in Hayward.

and 45% of their budget has been cut.

And that's 100,000 watt station that covers three different states.

And so that's significant.

And just in Wisconsin, other than tribal stations, there's been 40 stations will be affected in Wisconsin and over two dozen in Minnesota.

And I know specifically for me, I do a show

I'm on five days a week and I do a show once a month called Little Moments Count and we bring in experts about, you know, how to raise your kids and talk to your kids from, you know, age zero to seven years old.

And that's funded by NPR here.

They pay for that when they come on native Ritz radio.

And so it affects me.

just to a degree, but it's also, it's frightening to see our partners out there and people speaking the truth be cut like this.

And it's just, you know, half the game plan or I think I heard three quarters of the game plan of 2020 2025 is completed now.

So we are definitely China right now.

And we're heading towards Russia.

So

We need to be careful and the one thing I always like to talk about a native roots radio to is not only solutions and how we're taking care of ourselves and Caught you know calls to action, but also that Native Americans are used to this.

This is nothing new to us and Not that surprising but also, you know when we try to

You know my tribe specifically Ho-Chunk Nation.

I was a legislator for four years for Ho-Chunk Nation and the week after Trump took over We lost something like eight million dollars and we had to lay off 80 people in the health care system And so it affects everything even though we want to say it doesn't but it does

well, and that's something Robert that

For me, I kind of put it out there into the world on social media and I know first mistake is to say, justify this for me.

Tell me why cutting this funding is fiscally responsible slash making America great again, if you will.

And someone came back at me to say, well, it's because of their model.

They weren't making money and they didn't, they didn't adopt platforms like online and all these fiscal excuses.

But when I looked it up myself,

Donald Trump has flatly come out and said that PBS, you know, where Mr. Rogers lives and NPR are liberal woke bastions of indoctrination.

So this isn't about a business model or about finance.

This is about, as you just mentioned, messages that can be perceived as a threat to power and to a threat to quote their version of America.

So I don't think it's about finance.

It's about about silencing voices.

Well, that's true.

They wouldn't be sending troops to Washington or LA They'd be sending them to Tennessee into these places where crime has gone up So it's all about attacking the blue states and and people that don't Feel the same the way that president does so it's just a it's an attack one of the things Jane and Greg I'd like to ask you as an interviewer.

I I you know

I was a big Bernie guy, you know, and I wonder how he's getting all these things done where our democratic relatives couldn't seem to get anything done.

So how is he getting all this done?

And so that makes me pause too.

And again, you know, there's an old saying with the Native Americans is, you know, the left wing and the right wing are from the same bird.

And so that's what we've been dealing with for 500 years here as Native Americans, but we cannot run now on one issue.

I mean vote we cannot vote on one issue and I think that's what happened the last the last time around is that?

People were talking about Gaza and things like that were no look what's happening right now You know the first presidency that Trump had he was recorded.

I think 65,000 lies and in four years.

Yeah, he was

busy

But well, it's it's amazing too, because all his followers now, uh, appeared to be doing that too.

And I remember there was a hat that came out when he was first elected that said, uh, make racists afraid again.

Well, they're not there.

They're, uh, with the mainstream media and, um, you know, they're, they're getting the thumbs up to do whatever they want.

And that's the really most disappointing thing for me.

And that's why shows like yours.

Ours and being on civic media is so so important is because you as we spit out the you know there's five companies that own 95% of the airs and we know who owns civic media we know who owns am 950.

You're talking to the people that that do that and so it's frightening times but it's important that Jane and Greg and Robert do not give up.

We got to keep talking about it.

I mean, it is about making sure that the accurate information is out there.

And I want, for my estimation, Democrats seeded a lot of territory for a really long time.

And at least in the case of AM Radio, allowed the right wing to dominate AM Radio for decades.

decades and decades.

And so for many areas, especially in rural communities, that became the only source for information.

And Civic Media's goal is to provide accurate information for people who might not be getting it otherwise.

And I think PBS was the same thing.

They reported facts.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Who did we hear that from so many times?

Over and over and

over again.

By the way, if you're just joining us, Robert Pilat is our guest.

He's the host of Native Roots Radio, which airs across the network Monday through Friday from 8 to 9

p.m.

Robert, what you're saying now is so interesting because we just spoke to Andrew Watkins on the topic of white Christian nationalism, nationalism, making its way into the mainstream of our government, our halls of power, whether it's TV, radio, government, all those things and everything you are talking about connects to the conversation there.

You talk about the fact that native folks have been getting this sort of treatment for so long and now

people who you know people who would agree with the the uplift of native folks tribes the issues that you face on a daily basis are now saying you're going how can they do that to us well now native folks saying yeah they've been doing to it for a long time where were you this whole time and also the question of Democrats versus Republicans that is such a huge question to ask and I think for me the immediate answer not not an answer but something that provides

maybe some context of the conversation is I feel like Democrats underestimated so many things for so long.

And I think with regard to what you said, Jane, as for decades, AM radio was the place for this information.

We counted that as the fringe.

We counted that those individuals as well, they're saying crazy things.

That's too crazy.

That's not America.

Not fringe.

And as Andrew said in the previous hour, this is not fringe.

This is mainstream.

That's

who is in charge now, because they were listening to these people for five decades.

I don't know how I could do this.

I, you know, I'm 64 years old.

So I my South Park era was, you know, 20 years ago.

But now, how are they the only media out there?

That's taking care of really what we need to talk about.

It's crazy.

CBS bowed down.

Uh, you know, and again, mainstream media is, is normalized all this and, and it's saying it's okay to be racist again.

Well, and.

The reckoning is going to be coming again.

It's this, well, they're not going to touch me.

I did what he asked.

We did what the president wanted.

We did the thing, whatever the thing was.

So therefore we're going to be safe.

That's not how it works.

Right.

That's not how it works.

I don't know any billionaires and we are with the wrong people, Robert.

We're not hanging out with the right people.

Everybody's fair game now.

So they don't know that, you know, uh, you know, it, it's just crazy.

I have a sister-in-law who's a teacher in New York and guess who she voted for.

You know, I mean, in New York City, where it's a melt out of people, you're voting against your own interests, your own, your own students.

It's, it's just an amazing thing that's happened.

What is,

what is her justification, Robert?

What does she say?

Oh, let me tell you this.

This is what drives my wife crazy because she's in New York or two and.

About her sister and hopefully her sister is not listening, but probably not.

She's listening to Fox is she wanted to How did she put that she she wanted to?

You know support her husband her husband's a raving Republican so Yeah, hello 1950 55

What were we just talking about last hour?

I'm not kidding you, Robert.

Your conversation, the discussion we were having right now is like a part two to what we were talking about with Andrew Watkins.

This idea of the woman's vote reflects her husband because, well, he's my husband.

And that when you say that line says,

He's the head of the house and he's the he is the one in charge and he knows better.

We're going to continue

our

conversation with Robert Pilots on the other side.

He's the host of native roots radio.

Keep it right here.

You're listening to the civic media radio network.

We will be right back.

Thank God for the radio.

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Robert Pilot.

is here.

We were talking about the recent cuts to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and what that is going to mean, particularly for our native populations, which get a lot of their information from NPR.

And we had a text come in from Troy from Mount Horrib.

Greg, when Robert said about your sister,

Uh, we both sighed audibly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was, oh, I don't even know what to do with that.

And before we went to the commercial, you, you wanted to say something, Robert, I wanted to give you the opportunity to continue that thought.

Yeah.

Thanks a lot.

I just remembered what she said to my wife and that was, I want to honor my husband.

And I'm going, what year is this?

1951 and, um,

Yeah, it's just a mind-blowing situation and I just don't know how to respond We don't talk any politics when I'm in New York because I do a lot of my show from New York Long Island and I Just saw them the last time I was there and we didn't talk any and but I did talk to her husband and just say I Did say I'd speak my opinion.

He asked me how are things going and I told him and what did he

say?

He somewhat agreed which kind of really surprised me.

So if that's any indication of what's happening and I believe it is an indication that people are waking up to it and that's why the gerrymandering is going to be happening in Texas.

They're worried about 2026 and they should be but we also have to keep talking about.

keep talking about issues.

And that's the thing that Native Ritz radio in a native perspective, it keeps talking about the issues.

And it's hard because people like I'm sure Greg and Eugene have gotten really worn out by all this going on every day, every day, there's something, you know, I again, you know, there's things like

He wanted the, you know, the Washington team to bring back the racist name,

you know,

all these things.

And I try to, when I post on social media, which I'm on Blue Sky too, and trying to really combat the ex-experience with Blue Sky.

But every time I post something, it's political.

It's like, he's on the list is what I end it with.

Well, and, and that's, I mean, it's one of the reasons why we've started doing audio sorbet towards the end of the show is because if we were to talk about this stuff two hours a day, five days a week, there comes a point of burnout.

So that little bit of time where we can all come together, have a little bit of laugh, have a little bit of brevity and a little or levity, then that's the important thing.

And, and.

Going back to what you just said about your brother-in-law or your your sister-in-law's husband We also spoke spoke to Andrew about that and people are starting to wake up and say I didn't vote for this This is not what I wanted but in fact you did He didn't really hide a whole lot of what he was going to do He made it very clear what he wanted to accomplish, but he lied about a lot of stuff too

Well, because that's what he does.

Yes.

And the fact that they don't know by now that he is a pathological terminal liar, that's something that they have to justify with themselves.

But also that notion of what you said your sister-in-law, her reason for voting for Trump was to honor her husband.

And I wonder,

Was she the type of person 10 years ago who would have said those words specifically?

I want to honor my husband or is it because of this administration and this movement?

People are feeling that they need to do these things.

They're feeling an obligation to honor the family, therefore honor the husband who is the head of the household and he is in charge.

Well, and if you're listening to the rhetoric that's going on, you know, we have somebody that's in the administration that wants to get rid of women's right to vote.

Oh,

yeah, we were just talking about that.

Yes.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that that's that's where we are right now.

But again, hopefully people are waking up.

And I mean, when I march to the Capitol here in St.

Paul,

You know after the murders of an assassination of our of our leaders here Hortman and her husband, you know, they wanted to call it off But there was 80,000 people at the Capitol that same day.

So people want to be engaged and do things I just want our politicians to snap out of it and more AOC more Bernie more governor They're from California that governor governor more of that is what we need

And call, call a, you know, call the kettle black.

Yeah.

This playing

nice, this, this trying to play nice to get along, go along to get along is, is not the way to go forward.

That is not the answer to the mess that we're in.

And they're not playing by the rules.

Right.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And I will say this, whatever is happening to Marjorie Taylor Green right now, I don't know what's happening.

It could all change tomorrow, but it's the.

Watching someone's eyes open in real time to what is going on in the world because of the things she has helped put.

That is what we're going to see from more people in the news saying, I didn't vote for this.

I didn't want this.

Well, it's what you got.

Robert Pilot is the host of Native Roots Radio, which you can catch across the network weeknights from eight to nine.

And by the way, Robert Ardeth on a live stream says, I agree with Jane about Robert Pilot's glorious voice.

It is the most soothing sound on radio.

I'll be sending you my Kitchen Man, my Whirlpool washer Kitchen Man or manual so you can read it for me and then I can play it when I try to fall asleep.

I'd appreciate

that.

Well, a big peeney.

Thank you so much for having me on and keep up the good work and keep keep fighting.

Really

appreciate it, Robert.

Thank you so very much.

We have news coming up next.

When we return, sillier things so we can take a breath.

Audio Sorbet, sweet versus dill pickles.

The fight is on.

No fight.

You're listening to Matt Nair on air.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm singing

Pickles, pickles I like pickles Won't you give me a pickle?

We're just gonna go with

this.

Good morning!

Welcome, welcome back.

Well done, sweet Calbee.

To Matt and Air on Air, Jane Matt and Air, Greg Bach, and sweet Calbee on the board.

If

you're listening to the podcast, we played Calvin picked out a wonderful song directly about and solely about pickles.

There's a song about everything because that is what we are talking about on today's audio sorbet.

Oh my gosh, it's time for audio sorbet.

Wonderful.

Let's bring in the harps.

Let's get it going.

Let's have some fun and, you know, do our thing.

This all

the harps.

Calvin's looking there a break

There they are audio sorbet 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 This stems from yesterday.

Yeah,

we were talking about Pat Murphy of the Brewers and his pocket pancakes So we started talking about snacks What are our go-to snacks the pocket pancake wrapped around a chicken tender is Pat Murphy's go-to snacks So we started talking about our own.

Yeah

And one of the things I like is you call them redneck

sushi.

Yeah.

So it's a piece of ham with cream cheese and then you roll up a pickle.

But I do both sweet and dill pickles.

I go both pickle ways, which apparently is just a crime.

OK, first of

all,

people are very passionate about their pickles.

Yes.

We are because in life, I have to be passionate about something in this world.

This is your thing.

This is my thing.

Like, well, it's not my only thing, but it is one where I will not, I will not like a good pickle, bend and or break.

So you're, you're only deal.

Well, I'm not only deal.

I should like, let it, let's be, I love a dill pickle.

I love a garlic pickle.

I love, uh, uh, even a spicy pickle sometimes, but not too spicy.

Cause why bother?

I think that sweet pickles, or as they're also called for some reason, bread and butter pickles, just to make them sound fancy, they're not, they're garbage, are an invention of the devil to divide us, to tempt us, and then to divide us.

Wow.

Yeah.

Love to hear you weigh in on this.

Chris Casper, our friend and colleague here in one of Civic Media's engineers, had come down very hard on me yesterday with my love for sweet pickles.

And see, that's the thing too, is you merely said you enjoyed this delicacy.

Okay, you know what?

You're just saying

that.

You're now just saying that to be like fun.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm gonna get people on the street saying, so Jane, I'm like, don't talk to me about this.

You brought up the snack, which, by the way, I'm a huge fan of redneck sushi.

I could, I mean, it's a problem, because people will make it a party and you're like, I should have one.

It's like when you get pizza that's like cut into small squares.

Oh yeah, you gotta have 47.

Exactly, you're like, oh, I just ate a whole pizza.

But

yeah, you just pop them, they're easy to just, and before you know it, you're like, oh, I've had 10 pickles.

But I was just letting, gee, I was letting you live your life.

I was

letting you, you know, journey your journey.

And then Chris Casper has to come in and throw down the divide and say, now, do I agree with Chris?

Yes, I do.

But I felt like I was brought to this fight.

I did not enter willingly.

I had to say something.

I must stand up.

I must let my voice be heard.

You're welcome, America and WBA.

I

reached out to Casper.

Yeah.

Hoping he would be able to join us this morning.

He's got a dentist appointment, but he did send me his argument.

Okay.

About pickles.

Go for it.

Casper says sweet pickles are the devil.

Thank you.

Pickles are supposed to be salty, not sweet.

There should be a federal law that restaurants have to warn people in a 30 point bold, capitalized font that a menu item contains sweet pickles.

Yeah.

There's nothing worse than finding that out the hard way.

I got a Cuban once that had sweet pickles.

What kind of psycho put sweet pickles on a Cuban?

Okay, first of all, a couple things.

I will, I support this measure.

The federal law?

Yes.

Yes.

Or many municipal laws throughout the lands to cover certain points, at least where I live.

Okay.

They should also have to include.

an explanation of what bread and butter pickles are because that is that that can be you know it can be like oh bread and butter pickles I love bread I love butter and

see and I don't think those qualify as a sweet pickle art to me it's in the middle what does that mean it's not completely sweet

the bread

and butter

pickles I'm looking at google right now it says yes bread and butter pickles are sweet I disagree well I feel like if there's anything that is I feel like anything that isn't dill spice and or garlic or something that is savory let's say that savory

Then it's a sweet pickle and you can get out of my life, but I Forgot the second part of what I was gonna say, but the point is your argument has no way my argument has the weight of 10 million dill pickles is what it has It has righteousness behind it Jane 8

5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 our audio sorbet for today sweet Versus dill pickles maybe you're like me

You go both ways, when it comes to pickles.

Okay, all right.

Carmella from Milwaukee, I'm with Jane, both are great.

I will dive in when they're laid out as part of a spread.

My sammies have to have lots of pickles, forget the condiments.

Just

pickles,

Carmella.

If I go to a subway, I always get extra pickles on my sandwich.

I like the extra pickles.

I remember what I was gonna say.

And those are subpar pickles.

It's...

subway.

So I don't know what you were really expecting.

I mean, I last time I checked, they took down their Michelin star.

But when it comes to the Cuban or Cubano, like a Cubano with sweet pickles is no longer a Cuban.

It is a trash sandwich, which needs to be thrown into the trash receptacle, because that is where it belongs.

Well, I wouldn't put sweet pickles on a Cuban sandwich.

No,

exactly.

It has to have a deal.

But but

Open yourself to the world.

There's a whole world of pickle them for you to be welcomed.

Don't don't hear the word.

Let me rephrase that.

Don't hear the the correct things that I am saying right now.

as one who has never had a sweet pickle in his life.

I have.

I have been tricked.

I have been duped.

I have been taken to the top of the mountain and promised all the lands only to be seen that it is a hoofed man with a tail saying, here's a sweet pickle.

I'm like, ah, how was I tempted again?

They're just not good.

They're just not

good.

So there.

But my solar pickles are out of this world.

I've been making them for many years.

They last in the fridge for six months.

Ooh, she's got a picture too.

Those look really, really yummy, Judy.

I feel like I can only make a judgment on these solar pickles if I have one.

If

we

eat them.

That's true.

Lou Anne from Wanderos, listening on WLAK in Amory.

I like dill and bread and butter, which are totally different than sweet pickles.

which I

hate.

I did not say that bread and butter pickles are sweet pickles.

According to Google, bread and butter pickles are sweet.

There's a difference in the phrasing.

Sweet pickles are disgusting.

Wanderers, you are teetering right now.

I wanted to visit you, and if you do not come down hard on my side for this one, we will go to a different part of the state.

Still versus Sweet Pickles, the war is on 855-752-4842.

Ben from Richland Center, listening on WRCE.

I love both, but I think Sweet Pickles are equated with a nice relish tray.

You gotta have both.

You

gotta have both.

Why do I have to?

Because there are those of us

who go both ways.

Oh God, I swear to God.

Can we call the FCC and just get grounds of like a tempted something 8

5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2

I personally this is what my thought is I think that Anything I think that that sweet pickles and I'm gonna say bread and butter because yes I've had bread and butter.

I'm like this is disgusting between I Don't like them Do you know that do you know what that means then Jane and everyone else who's saying I love burning more Michaels more for you

That's true more for when I come to that when I come to that tray of various accoutrement to put on my plate as a side dish and Someone and says sweet pickles.

I'm going to leave them alone.

I'm not gonna throw them out I'm not going to run my tongue over my hand over my tongue and then run it over the pickles to say hot now They're ruined for everyone I'm gonna leave them be and they're there for you good have whatever you would like because I believe in a free country that pickled them eggs I believe in

Open pickles.

Yes.

Open pickles.

8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 pickle wars.

Sweet pickles versus dill pickles.

Ted from Appleton is weighing in on this highly controversial subject.

Good morning, Ted.

Thank you for joining us.

Good morning.

Okay, kids.

I am thick and tired of you two bickering back and forth about the day nabbed pickle.

There's only one pickle there is.

That is famous Dave's hot and spicy sweet pickle.

Oh We have we have some of those at home right now.

Oh, I mean, I haven't even heard of a hot and spicy sweet pickle Ted

famous Dave Mm-hmm.

Ask Pat When next time you talk to him Craig low you he'd know it.

That's part of his country.

All right, we will check

in with Craig low Take house, you know that is famous Dave's hot and spicy sweet

Excellent.

Really appreciate that Ted.

Thank you

so very much.

We have a jar of them at home.

Bridget will put them in the Bloody Marys.

I tried them and the spicy definitely undercuts the abomination that is the sweet.

It's an interesting flavor.

I cannot properly describe what it is.

You have to bring some.

I'll bring some in tomorrow and you can try one out and tell me what you think.

I think for me and for my money when it comes to and this is excluding

You know, the pick, the solar pickles are things you might find at the farmer's market, but at a grocery store acquired pickle for me is always going to be the Milwaukee pickle.

Milwaukee's pickles in the refrigerated section.

Well, no, the ones I get are, they're just on the shelf.

They're not refrigerated.

They're in the glass canister.

It is, they are the best period.

I found some in the refrigerated section and I want to say they're called Grillo's.