Stop Trying to Make “Rigged” Happen (Hour 1)

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Stop Trying to Make “Rigged” Happen (Hour 1)

Matenaer on Air · Mon Aug 4, 2025

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Jane Matenaer

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you.

Jane Matenaer

After the 930 News, Civic Media's news director, Shaly Pittman, is going to be joining us for a little recap of the many, many, many things that are going on.

The Voting Rights Act turned 60 this week.

We're going to talk about that and what appear to be some efforts to change the Voting Rights Act.

Also, we're going to talk about the cuts for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which announced last week that it will be shutting down now that the federal government has pulled funding and talk about some of the ramifications that's going to have, especially for people who live in rural areas.

Yes.

Yeah, it's this is going to be impactful.

Yes.

In our number two, we will lighten things up a little bit.

We're going to go beyond the cheese with a poppy bakery in Milwaukee.

Amy Gorski is the owner.

She started as a little pop up and then started doing some farmers markets.

And now she has this their own.

She's only on weekend open on weekends in Milwaukee, but it's killing.

It's killing it.

Greg Bach

Is there a more Midwestern name than Amy Gorski?

Probably

Jane Matenaer

not.

Greg Bach

Amy Gorski.

Jane Matenaer

She

Greg Bach

owns the bakery down on Turr

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Street.

And

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the best popovers in the game.

Jane Matenaer

I just love them.

There's no comparison.

I love them.

We're going to wrap up the show as we always do with this.

It shouldn't be a thing.

Today it's your worst nightmare edition or your worst nightmare edition.

So stay tuned for that.

Did want to start off with this, though.

The Department of Health and Human's Department of Health Services here in Wisconsin

has confirmed our first cases of measles in 2025.

Nine cases of measles have been confirmed by the Department of Health Services and the Ocanto County Public Health.

This is from wisn.com.

Sam Schmitz has the byline.

All of those impacted were exposed to a common source after they traveled out of state.

The DHS didn't say where they had traveled and they are not releasing any other information about those because of HIPAA laws, which I understand, but we're gonna see more of this.

We're gonna see more of childhood diseases that had essentially been eradicated.

But now there's so much vaccine hesitation being supported by our federal

Head of the Department of Health and Human Services Bob Jr.

Greg Bach

Definitely not a doctor.

Jane Matenaer

No, definitely not a doctor and now We have some Republicans who apparently want to help this along so more of us can get measles This is from the Wisconsin examiner Baylor Spears amid falling vaccination rates GOP lawmakers now want Wisconsin to highlight exemptions That's essentially ways to get out of giving your child

Vaccines because a lot of schools require them.

Yeah, so that all the kids don't get sick

Greg Bach

That seems like a basic once again like Bob, Jr.

Not a doctor myself.

Jane Matenaer

Hmm.

Greg Bach

I would say that vaccinating children when you're around other children and adults Seems like a good idea.

Yeah

Jane Matenaer

kind of

for the common good.

Yes.

Greg Bach

Oh, yeah.

You know, that that that weird word we don't use anymore.

Jane Matenaer

That old that old attitude we used to have.

Coauthors of the bill, Representative Lindy Brill, Republican from Sheboygan Falls and Senator Rachel Cabral-Govera from Appleton, also a Republican, say there's a lack of transparency around the exemptions that can create confusion and unnecessary barriers for parents.

and increase administrative burdens on schools when immunization documentation is incomplete or delayed.

Can't you just say they want to opt out of vaccines?

Let's let them.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Wisconsin law does require kids in elementary, middle, junior, or senior high schools.

Childcare centers or nursery schools get vaccinated based on their grade or age.

The schedule covers all the stuff we had.

Growing up, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus.

Greg Bach

The stuff that a Republican god even just 10 years ago would have said, well, yeah, of course I'm going to get my kid vaccinated because that's just what you do.

This wasn't it.

It was a

Jane Matenaer

gift.

Yeah.

If you go back to the days of polio.

And they came out with a polio vaccine.

Parents couldn't wait to get their kids that shit.

I mean,

Greg Bach

there's Jane.

There are so many feelings right here.

It's just like this profound sense of sadness.

This profound.

I mean, the arrogance too.

It's just the pure uncut arrogance of it all to say.

I know better than doctors.

And because I watched some person on TikTok or Instagram or Facebook.

Because those people are never wrong.

Influencers are

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never wrong.

Or

Greg Bach

got an email from a guy who talked to a guy who knows someone who's pretty sure that their kid got a vaccination and now they have mumps filled autism.

Well, that's it.

I'm not, my kids are, it's just the absolute arrogance.

And you know what?

You don't want to, you don't want to vaccinate your, I will, for one thing, I'm just really surprised that we still have a law.

I'm really surprised at this point.

We still have a law.

And if we don't have one in six months, don't blame me.

I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm really surprised.

We still have a law in the books that requires children.

And if you don't want your child to get vaccinated, then I feel bad because the consequences are in you.

But also, why don't you just homeschool them then?

Jane Matenaer

But then what if they go on a playground?

I mean are you gonna homeschool them and just confine them to your yard?

I guess you could we have children who died in New Mexico Whose parents did not get them vaccinated.

Yeah, and they died from measles Measles is a highly contagious disease

that can spread from person to person through the air and stay in the air for two hours after the infected person coughs or sneezes.

It is so contagious if one person gets measles, up to 90% of the people around them can also become infected if they're not vaccinated.

And the symptoms include runny nose, high fever, could be over 104.

That's not good.

Cough.

watery eyes, pink eye, a rash.

It can also cause serious health complications, including pneumonia, brain damage, deafness, and can also cause death.

Greg Bach

On the live stream, cause Cassandra is, is one of our regular commentators and also a nurse.

She says, uh, Rachel, I think it's, is it Rachel or Rochelle?

I think it's Rachel, one of the.

Cabral Gravera, she is the Republican who co co co authored this bill.

She is a nurse practitioner She is a nurse practitioner and she is authoring this I Don't I Don't get it.

I don't honestly.

I'm at the point Jane where now when I hear these things I no longer even have any sort of like witty retort

or a bevy of information because it doesn't matter the information you had.

They just do not care.

They want to live their lives in the most illness-ridden freedoms they want.

Jane Matenaer

Freedom.

It's all about

Greg Bach

freedom.

And that's, I guess, the point of the whole homeschooling thing is if you want to be unvaccinated, okay.

But then be away from other people then.

You have a responsibility not to be around people if you are unvaccinated because

You will get sick and you can make other people sick and it just it just doesn't make sense to me at all that none of this

Jane Matenaer

But they have the freedom to infect others.

Yeah, Wisconsin does allow parents to get the requirement waived for vaccinations if they submit a written statement objecting including health religious or personal conviction

Greg Bach

Well, that just covers everything then.

All you have to say then is like, I don't like it.

And you don't even have, if it's health or religious or personal conviction, that doesn't seem very... The claim of it's very vague.

There's a lot of problems with people trying to access.

No, it isn't.

It's

Jane Matenaer

either, I

Greg Bach

can't do it because I have A. I can't do this because of the Lord, or I can't do this because I just don't feel like it.

I know.

I don't want...

I don't want to be chipped.

I don't know how less vague you can get in this matter.

Jane Matenaer

The bill would not change current requirements for vaccines.

The bill would require schools, childcare centers, and nursing schools to create a process to give a vaccine waiver form with every health related form it requires before a student can be enrolled.

So they just want to make sure that it's that much easier for parents to opt out of getting their kids vaccinated.

Greg Bach

We talk about this a lot on this show and I think it's never been more important because especially at the state level, the local level, all politics are local.

But if you don't like this, if this bothers you, if this makes you uneasy, if you are, I don't care if you're a parent or not, this just, cause if you're, if we're out in the world, we're all together, it doesn't matter if you have kids or not, but go to my vote.wi.gov, put in your information, look, and they don't have to represent you by the way for you to call them, call the co-sponsors of this bill and tell them what you think.

And as

Cassandra also put it, and this really makes me nervous.

She, Cabrera, is a primary care provider in the Fox Valley.

Jane Matenaer

So I- Is she just advising her patients not to get vaccinated?

I don't know.

Greg Bach

So yeah, go to myvote.wi.gov and put in your information, find out who represents you and call them up as well because it's important for you to-

to have your voice heard on these matters.

Jane Matenaer

Two doses of the measles vaccine are 97% effective at preventing it.

Greg Bach

See, Jane, it's about that 3%.

Oh, that's what it is.

That 3% that causes all that

Jane Matenaer

junk.

If you would like to find out.

more about the measles vaccine.

The DHS does have a measles webpage.

We will include the articles that we're referencing in our show notes that you can find at civicmedia.usciviccivicmedia.us.

Again, now we have nine confirmed cases of measles in Wisconsin in 2025.

Greg Bach

Are you happy?

Does that make you happy?

Is that what you wanted?

Heard immunity.

Yep.

Jane Matenaer

Oh, yeah.

That's what we're shooting for.

Yep.

When we return, I went grocery shopping over the weekend and the receipt I got was wrong.

It was miscalculated.

Oh, okay.

So I just, I told her cashier, I want a new cashier.

You did?

Yeah.

All the details coming up.

Greg Bach

I'm just finding this out right now.

It's a joke.

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And want to give you a reminder, we got baseball later on today.

You're pretty happy, aren't you?

It was kind of a good weekend.

Fourth sweep in a month.

And boy, were they hot at the bats.

Greg Bach

Oh, yeah, they're the best.

They're the best record in baseball again.

Jane Matenaer

That was something.

Brewers at the Braves tonight, our broadcast starts at 540.

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The crew at the Braves tonight, our broadcast starts at five 40.

I forgot

Greg Bach

to mention this last week, last, uh, the Friday game, I believe was on Apple TV plus.

And if you get it, I believe in certain parts of Wisconsin, it stays still do blackouts.

If I'm not mistaken,

Jane Matenaer

probably

Greg Bach

so civic media is a great alternate alternative for getting those brewers games.

listening to them, you know, if you, if you were within the range of one of those stations kicking back on the porch listening to a game on the radio, there's really fewer things that are better.

But yeah, it's a great alternative.

If you can't get it on your TV, which I know is with all the access to baseball on TV, they still have blackout rules and it's still very, very inferior.

Jane Matenaer

Yeah.

It annoys numerous people.

Yeah.

Yes.

Uh, so this happened on Friday and it might have just, you know, might have missed it.

There's lots of things that happen.

Donald Trump on Friday fired the head of the BLS, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Erica McEnterfer, and almost the entire Senate supporting her to lead the agency in 2024.

The widely respected economist was confirmed on a bipartisan 86-tape vote in the Senate.

Greg Bach

Well, that's where you lost me is widely respected economists.

That's where her first problem

Jane Matenaer

is because she was widely respected and an economist.

Yeah.

Well, the revisions to the jobs numbers came out on Friday and Donald Trump said they're rigged and he didn't like them.

So he fired her.

This is what we do in North Korea.

When you don't like the news, you fire the messenger, kill the messenger.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Well, you make it eventually so you don't even report that news out of fear of being

fire, jail,

Jane Matenaer

deported worse.

No, you adjust the news to show the administration what it wants.

This was in Project 2025 when they talked about science.

Here is the result we want.

You come up with how we get there.

And that's what they're doing now with the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Greg Bach

Jane, how easy is it for the director of the BLS?

to go in there and tinker with numbers and go

Jane Matenaer

and

Greg Bach

rig them.

Yeah, take a wax pencil and be like, here we go.

There we go.

Take them and do all that stuff.

How easy is it?

Jane Matenaer

Let's hear from the former commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bill Beach on CNN.

Calvin, play that clip, please.

Why should we trust him?

happens.

Always.

But they don't.

That is the former head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bill Beach, on CNN explaining how the head of the BLS, there's no way for her to rig numbers.

Sorry, President Trump, the numbers weren't good.

That's a

Greg Bach

fact.

And like every other president before you, who's had these numbers be published, you just have to deal with it and do better.

No,

Jane Matenaer

you fire her.

You fire her and you put in a loyalist who will give you the answers that you want.

That's why I said, yes, I went to the grocery store over the weekend.

And after I got my receipt and I looked at it and I told the cashier, this is rigged.

I want you fired.

And then they laughed at me and threw me out of the store.

But that's my life.

Greg Bach

See, I wouldn't have thought it was real had you delivered that the first time.

Jane Matenaer

When you did it before, I

Greg Bach

was like.

What

Jane Matenaer

wait a minute

Greg Bach

you didn't say anything about this tell me more how this works because I have no idea I thought computers did this stuff, but yeah I'm gonna throw and you're gonna hear this for me a lot more going into the future is Mega supporters make this make sense.

Why is this a good thing?

Why does this make sense?

Why is this?

Jane Matenaer

Is it all rigged?

How does

Greg Bach

this make America better?

How does it make it great?

How is it rigged?

Show your work.

Show me the science.

I want to see it because right now, if we're just firing people who disagree with your leader, then that's not democracy at all.

And you cannot redefine that because, sorry, that's not, that's not how words

Jane Matenaer

work.

fans of democracy.

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Like, Shaly Pittman is Civic Media's news director, and she joins us now every Monday.

Good morning, Shaly.

How you doing?

Good morning.

Hey, wildlife rescue is important.

So I look forward to hearing it.

It

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kept me awake until one o'clock this morning.

I couldn't stop thinking about that bird.

It's driving me nuts.

So that's coming up next hour.

But we want to talk about there are always things that happen on Fridays.

We get off the air at 11 o'clock and it's like everything breaks once we leave the air.

But something that kind of got skipped over among all the other late breaking Friday news was Susan Crawford is now.

Justice Crawford.

Absolutely.

Well, this one we knew was coming.

This was scheduled.

We like when that happens in the news business.

We can plan around it.

So, Susan Crawford, after being elected in April, is now Supreme Court Justice.

She's taken her seat on the bench for a 10-year term, and she was sworn in at the Capitol Rotunda on Friday.

Radio listeners can't see us, but I have this program scheduled right here.

I held on to it.

Very nice.

Yeah, it was a celebration, the very crowded rotunda.

She was presented the robe by her family, which was very sweet, and she delivered an address, and you can find more about what she said on civicmedia.us.

continuation of the the Supreme Court kind of liberal majority it further bolsters it and Six out of the seven Supreme Court justices in Wisconsin are women.

Greg Bach

That's amazing.

It is amazing and for me personally, it's a fun little family connection because I found out this weekend that Now justice Susan Crawford was a partner an associate at Pines Bach, which is a law firm in Madison that my

I believe my cousin is a founding partner, if not a partner at.

So I just saw that they wished her well and good luck.

I'm like, oh my goodness, that's so, so cool.

It just makes sense that cool people hang out because the lawyer box and my family are amazing.

And then there's the radio box down here is just like, we don't

Jane Matenaer

talk about him.

Greg Bach

It's

Jane Matenaer

a lesser branch of the family, a lesser box of the family, as it were.

This guy, it's interesting because this kind of goes along with new FEC filings regarding Elon Musk and Elon, of course, famously poured

millions and millions and millions of dollars into the Supreme Court race.

So what's up with this new filing?

Yeah, this came, I think, a day before or the same day as her investiture, as it's called.

But was was politics was on this, of course, and they found that Elon Musk's PAC spent more than $27 million on petition.

incentives this spring.

Now those filings don't say that PAC spent it in

Wisconsin on this race but the dates align with the Supreme Court race and our listeners will well remember Elon Musk coming to Wisconsin putting a cheesehead on in Green Bay and handing over these you know checks and and all the the things that had to change he initially announced something that didn't seem entirely legal so he had to change it for to sign a petition against activist judges and that promised a hundred dollars to to folks who promised to vote

against that.

And then we had those sweepstakes.

So that brought legal challenges even at the time.

Attorney General Josh Call filed a lawsuit asking for an injunction with the Wisconsin Supreme Court who denied it and didn't say why.

But there is another

another lawsuit challenging that last or earlier this year that was filed by another progressive legal group Greg Law Forward which filed that in Dane County Circuit Court and just to make your brain spin right Dane County Court was where Susan Crawford

served right

Greg Bach

right I feel like now as you play the X file theme song it all connects man it

all connects it all connects and Greg that's that's you really are connected I had no idea thanks for sharing that I also want to share that Susan Crawford was chief legal counsel under Jim Doyle and he spoke and it's been a while since

I've seen

Greg Bach

him he kind of like he

When he was done, he said goodbye.

While you said the name, I had to be like, oh yeah, that governor.

He was out of the woodwork.

He spoke and he gave some of the main remarks.

So did retired, I guess, Chief Justice, former Chief Justice, Ann Walsh Bradley.

She had a celebration in June.

in the exact same place in the capital Rotunda and I think they pulled up the same like screen that they used on Friday right in the back.

So that we also covered that and that was you know she delivered a pretty long and lengthy speech just talking about the representation of women on the court and her and the role of

of judges and justices in a time of kind of deep political division, which is something that Susan Crawford also spoke to in her remarks.

I

Jane Matenaer

think former Justice Ann Walsh Bradley will have an interesting book coming out one day.

That's just my that's just my speculation I think she would have some interesting stories to tell about her time on the court

Greg Bach

And this is a question in the moment I don't know if either if if someone can find this out Is there another state supreme court in America that has more of a representation of women on the bench than Wisconsin?

I think we might be the one

That's a great question.

Yeah, I apologize I should have I

Greg Bach

should have prompted everyone else, but it just it popped in my head when you said that and I was just like, oh I

That feels like that's pretty important that there are six of the seven justices are women.

I mean, that's I think that's cool.

Wow.

What a what a grand statement to make.

But yeah,

other states also have different selection criteria for their state Supreme Court justices.

So it gets complicated.

Jane Matenaer

It all works differently.

I do find it interesting, though, that that these cases against Elon are still going on.

I have never understood how what he did was considered legal.

In any kind of business, if you have a raffle or a sweepstakes or anything, there are all kinds of things that govern how you do that in order to keep it legit.

And I just, that is remarkable to me that he's just, it's like, yeah, well, here's a million dollars.

It's all fine.

Go ahead.

Greg Bach

And as I said, I always thought that it's,

He's Elon Musk.

He's probably got, you know, 40,000 attorneys on retainer.

And they probably went through all the things that, here's what you can do, cannot say, not say.

Jane Matenaer

Here,

Greg Bach

try this.

So yeah.

Jane Matenaer

Pacific Media's news director, Shaly Pittman is our guest.

And we're just doing a little recap of things going on in the news that we might all have missed.

The Voting Rights Act turned 60 this week, Shaly.

What was the goal of the Voting Rights Act?

What did it do?

Yeah, that's a great question.

It turns 60 on Wednesday, and it was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, and the goal was to end racial discrimination in voting, especially in the South.

It banned things like literacy tests and voter suppression tactics, and it gave the federal government the power to come in to oversee elections in states when...

some things might be happening.

So, you know, I thought it was interesting when we're talking about voting and voting access that this law is 60 years old.

Now, it's taken a beating, right?

It has been...

renewed and amended along the way, but it was weakened by a 2013 Supreme Court decision that Shelby County Reholder.

And so as we're continuing to talk about things in 2025 related to voter access, voter ID, and how our elections are administrated and who benefits, I thought that was a little known.

I didn't know that.

I was looking at my planning calendar and I was like, oh wow, it turned 60.

Kudos to the League of Women Voters who will have a celebration at the state capitol this Wednesday for thinking ahead and planning that.

Jane Matenaer

And

by the way, a

Jane Matenaer

League of Women Voters is a great organization if you are ever thinking

What can I do?

I'm a blue dot or even a red dot because League of Women Voters is a bipartisan organization.

If you would like to get involved in some way, they'd be a good place to start, at least to talk to them.

Greg Bach

And one thing that's great about the League of Women Voters is that they provide

great explanations, especially on ballot measures.

They have a toolkit on their website that shows you exactly what the language is, what it breaks down to.

And as you said, this is nonpartisan.

This is a group that just seeks to expand democracy and understanding.

So yeah, actually, I didn't know that, Charlie.

That's a great thing.

I think I'll reach out to Deb Cronmiller and see if she wants to come on to talk about that celebration, because I think it's important to celebrate.

What a wonderful thing to celebrate.

That's

totally in danger, in my opinion.

Jane Matenaer

Well, and it is still under threat.

The Voting Rights Act is, they're still trying to chip away at it and say that, you know, we no longer need, we no longer need this is the claim that everything in our system works just perfectly.

So we don't need this anymore.

We're going to continue this on the other side, Shali, but let's talk a little bit about the cuts for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Yes, this is might as something you missed last Friday.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting says it's shutting down following a vote in Congress to defund it.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting funds

1500 radio and TV stations across the country, which are mostly non-profits and non-commercial.

It's public radio.

It's community radio.

And I'll say this on the other side, but this is something I have a deep connection to.

Absolutely.

sort of saw coming and the impacts are manifold.

Jane Matenaer

Especially this is going to have a widespread impact and I think especially in some of Wisconsin's more rural communities and I don't think people appreciate just what is coming down the pike.

So we're going to continue this conversation with Civic Media's Shaly Pittman.

She is our news director and we will be right back.

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Yes, they are the hottest team in baseball, the best league, the best.

best record in the league, period.

Take that, the Dodgers.

And yeah, it's very, it's always exciting to be a Brewer's fan, but sometimes it's more excitement, happy, other times it's anxiety.

Jane Matenaer

That too.

But anyway, the whole point is download the Civic Media app, so you are ready when we come to Friday for free ticket Fridays.

If you're just joining us, Shelly Pittman is our guest.

She's the news director here at Civic Media.

We're just doing a little recap of some of the news over the weekend.

you may have missed.

Before we went to break, we were talking about the end of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

This is going to have a much wider impact, I think, Shallie, than people realize.

You worked in public radio for a long time.

Yes.

Well, I worked in community radio, which is sort of public radio, but also its own sort of animal thing.

Animal, right.

But non-commercial broadcasting.

And I worked at W-O-R-T, which does get funding from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

So this is one thing that I...

I'm not maybe objective on and it's also not something that civic media is objective on.

We put out a press release opposing these cuts.

You might have seen that or you might have not, but we said that we stand against funding cuts to public broadcasting.

So just those disclaimers out there.

But the CPB is the single greatest source of funding for not only national public radio, Wisconsin public radio, but also for independent broadcast

broadcasters, rural broadcasters, community radio, including those in Wisconsin.

So W-O-R-T, about 12% of their budget comes from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

I was listening to an interview with the station manager at W-O-J-B, the Lakuta Ray station in the Northwoods, and their station manager...

told WRT that they will need about $200,000 to stay on the air in the face of those cuts.

Jane Matenaer

That's a lot of money when you're up in the Northwoods.

It

is.

When you're a non-commercial broadcaster, absolutely.

And that carries with it restrictions, by the way, non-commercial broadcasters cannot air ads for revenue.

They can air something different called underwriting.

There are many, many, many legal restrictions for what you can say in underwriting versus advertising.

But there are a lot of hoops to jump through when you're applying for a CPP grant.

You have to file grants.

reports on what you're doing, you have to do so many outreach activities you have to take, which is good, anti-discrimination and anti-harassment training.

There are lots of requirements to obtaining CPB funding and that's going away.

Greg Bach

Well, this brings me to a question and I posted something on social media about this and and someone came back at me and said that this has been this is this is the result of a bad business model that they did not adapt early platforms and that They they they could go to for profit instead of me.

I don't think he understands what corporation for public broadcasting actually means I think he thinks of it as a legit

traditional business model, when really it's something that the government set up as a way of funding these public stations.

And I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't saying like, well, you're wrong.

I feel like this is just a matter of, because people have broken down, it's pennies out of our pocket per person funding these stations.

And I just want to make sure that I am not incorrect in my assumption that this isn't about bad business.

This is about the fact that Donald Trump called it woke, liberal, radicalized and

It would finally gave them the push they'd been trying to cut for years.

Jane Matenaer

Well, that evil Sesame Street, you know.

Well, if I can jump in, I hear where the listener is coming from, right?

And in many ways, radio stations, community, public radio stations have adapted.

However, there has been this narrative that they do not represent the full diversity of the ideological sphere.

And in my time in public and non-commercial radio, I have not found that to be true, right?

Everyone is invited on the airwaves, especially at community...

radio, we are open, W-O-R-T is open to everyone to volunteer.

It's also one of those things where it's responsible for those vital services like EAS, emergency alerts, that are the backbone for the rest of broadcasting.

So there's that.

This was also outlined in Project 2025, and we also knew that this was coming.

And if we had more time, we'd get into that section that

says remove CPB funding and also revoke the non-commercial status of

Jane Matenaer

stations.

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