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Jim Santel is here.

Normally, Jim, you join us after 9.30, but you squeeze us in because you are, again, a working lawyer, so we really appreciate you doing some adjusting for us.

I want to jump into this right away while we have you about Jeffrey Epstein and the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Now, yesterday,

U.S.

Senate Democrats started a little-known legal path trying to force the Trump administration to release these files using a century-old law requiring the executive branch to comply if five senators on a committee sign onto this request.

So, what's your feel?

I mean, where are we with this?

What's going to happen with the Epstein files?

And so this is an appropriate aspect for the Congress to undertake, right?

It falls very generally into the view of oversight, right?

You want to have the Congress was looking at the executive branch.

We do this fairly routinely.

They're invoking here, Jane and Greg, a longstanding procedure.

that contemplates that if you've got the requisite number of senators or members of the House of Representatives, you can make this request.

And yes, indeed, and here's the rub as you can anticipate, the government, the executive branch is obliged to respond to that in some way.

They can make certain objections to certain national security things, so things may be privileged.

The question, of course, is, again, you've written a letter.

They'd written a letter to the Attorney General saying, produce these materials.

We'd like to see everything.

We'd also like to see those reports of the interview just last week, this very curious thing involving our Deputy Attorney General going to Tallahassee to sit down with her.

We can chat more about the curious nature of that.

It went all things.

And again, it's an appropriate request coming from the United States Congress.

The question that I have, as you have had and Greg's had and all listeners have had,

Will this government comply?

Will the Attorney General say, as apparently others have said, inside the Department of Justice, including a fellow who's apparently going to the Third Circuit of Court of Appeals, judges and authorities don't have to be followed.

And so my strong sense is that they will write back and say that they, meaning the Attorney General and others.

Thank you very much for your inquiry.

Maybe they'll produce some information, but probably more likely not given the fact that this is all so much embroiled in, I hate to say it, silliness on all sides.

We can bring this to an end very quickly.

Release, again, it's going to be thousands and thousands of pages.

These are not the grand jury materials they never were, but they're all kinds of reports of interviews and all kinds of things, maybe photographs, maybe records of writings.

all of that related to the underlying criminal investigation and the charges against Maxwell and Epstein.

You're not going to find in even that file, unless somebody's thrown in some odd notes here, things about these conspiracies within conspiracies that somehow it is Hillary Clinton who's responsible for the Epstein death or that there are other things going on out there that just make no sense at all.

It's going to be an investigative file that reflects what the investigation found.

that's also reflected in the grand jury indictments against Epstein and Maxwell.

She plainly convicted of that.

He commits suicide before that that conviction can be had and the trial can be conducted.

And that's what you're going to get.

I think it's good to produce it just to bring this craziness to an end.

It goes to the larger issue of what are we doing here?

What are we doing here as a country?

If you're just joining us on Matt Nair on air, Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review Saturdays from 9 to 11 across the network is our guest, and we're trying to break down a little bit the dread Jeffrey Epstein story.

He's still dead, and this story still won't go away as much as some people might want it to do so.

My question, Jim, among many, this whole argument

that they cannot release these files because they don't want to re-victimize the victims and they don't want the victims' names released.

Those can be redacted.

That seems to me a pretty disingenuous argument.

It is.

And it's disingenuous across the board, all kinds of things, even in grand jury indictments, public pleadings, criminal and civil.

Typically the most you do, I spend a lot of time practicing in children's court as well.

You can protect the identity of people by indicating what their initials are.

You can do those infamous black blocks that eliminate the information itself.

We've seen that a lot in the past.

That is not an argument against the production of this.

Again, is there any continuing law enforcement purpose as to any of this?

I don't think so, but perhaps to satisfy or probably not satisfy an awful lot of Americans Produce these things with those redactions other things may be in that file that should not be produced investigative results those kinds of things but the reality is that

there's nothing more to do here.

And it's concerning to me, number one, that our Department of Justice and all of us, Canada, are spending all this time focusing on, what is a tragedy?

Undeniably, a tragedy.

I've always said this, criminal prosecution of everybody out there with respect to whoever your defendant is, it's a human tragedy.

My recommendation to the Attorney General and to others here at the Department of Justice, produce those files that you can produce without compromising the integrity of the file.

Let people go through them.

We'll spend another week sorting through things that perhaps have not been known in the past, and then we can move on.

The other thing about this, as I indicated, that's a great concern to me is this notion that my deputy attorney general spends some time, maybe a couple of days, curiously, sitting down with Lane Maxwell.

Alone.

alone.

I'm hoping there was somebody in the room, but as per his, he was alone, which is very curious.

You never do that.

You don't have the deputy attorney general.

It's not an investigator.

He can do it.

He's a lawyer.

But that's not

typical.

That's not

typical, right?

Right.

Right.

You when Eric Holder was working for Janet, you know, he was not out there doing investigative interviews.

And frankly, applies to everybody down the road.

The other concern I have about this is why him and of course, the reality is he was

president's former attorney, he still has an attorney-client relationship, a private attorney-client relationship with the president of the United States of America.

That never goes away.

The things that Donald Trump told him in connection with the prosecution in New York, that continues.

Now, we don't know what that is.

We never should know what that is, Jane, because that's the nature of the privilege.

But Todd Blanche does.

And the concern that I have is, what things does the...

An investigator here who is the deputy attorney general know about the president's past history that could animate his present official work here.

There's so many curiosities about this.

Why are we doing this?

We're doing this as you've indicated in other broadcasts.

Because apparently, Elaine Maxwell is making these demands now.

She wants everything and then she'll talk.

And that's hopefully not going to happen, but this is all political.

It's not law enforcement related.

It's curious.

It's contrary to the way the Department of Justice works.

And I'm still scratching my head and we'll continue to do so.

And Jim, that's something that keeps on going on in my mind.

I can't believe I didn't realize this before, but let's just play a scenario that Ghislaine Maxwell says what she needs to say, gets a pardon.

That doesn't make the case go away, right?

Like the crimes have still been committed or does that just mean everything in the files are just like We have the files but nothing can be done to prosecute anyone on anything because if she is if she is found or she is pardoned There's nothing to prosecute or even investigate in the first place

Right, it's so it's it is so odd right Greg that we're even having this conversation A pardon again doesn't erase history you're absolutely right.

Are those crimes still committed you bet and talk to the victims out there?

Do the files reflect that investigation?

Of course they will and that will remain the case for all time as to her a pardon and order of clemency from the president if he chooses to do that

unwisely.

This is not a merit-based pardon request at all.

If he chooses to do that, her conviction and the judgment against her, which he's now appealing, that gets removed.

Again, not from the annals of history, but from legal records.

And so the effect of a pardon is to lift from her

all of the burdens that go along with a federal criminal conviction.

She also wants, apparently, she wants immunity, which of course would go along with that.

She obviously asking for all kinds of things, and she said, I'll be happy to talk if you'll give me all of these things, get me out of jail.

She's complained about that.

And this is an approach that, again, what is she bargaining from?

She's been convicted.

She is spending time right now in prison.

What is it that the administration with the Department of Justice wants investigatively from her?

There's nothing more to look at here, aside from some political animation.

By the president, who's already told the Department of Justice, look for anything you possibly find out there, and that maybe what, exonerate me, would minimize my relationship with them?

Or make my opponents look bad.

make my opponents look bad, is any of that law enforcement way to know?

It's partisan politics, which Washington and other places do.

I get that completely.

So many things about this, including frankly, if we do go down the pardon road, pardons, they're produced and they're given for people, typically five years out after a conviction, showing something about your life, that you have put that behind yourself, you've done good things in the community, you've enhanced yourself, you've helped other people.

This is a conviction where the ink is still wet and she's still seeking remedies.

Habeas Corpus, she wants to review by the Supreme Court.

This is not someone who would typically be in the category of receiving a pardon.

For now, a life well lived in the wake of criminal conduct, but this president has issued pardons in that capacity in that way for many other people.

This would be just the latest one.

Attorney Jim Santel is our guest on Matt Nair on air.

We're talking about the ongoing Epstein Files case.

My big question, Jim, is...

On both sides, Democrats and Republicans seem to be going around who they should be calling to talk to.

Why haven't we subpoenaed Bill Barr?

Why hasn't Alex Acosta been subpoenaed?

Alex Acosta is the

a Florida official who made that first sweetheart deal with Jeffrey Epstein, where he was able to go out and spend his day out with no ankle monitor, no nothing, all of this stuff that he got.

Alex Acosta set up that deal and then went to work in the Trump administration in an agency that oversees sex trafficking.

That to me is, why isn't anyone asked to talk to him?

And the answer is yes, yes, and yes, right?

All that should be done as a part of what?

Not anticipating the criminal charging of anyone, but Congress finding out how the Department of Justice is working now has worked in the past.

That's its oversight capacity.

Does that sometimes partake of political aspects?

You bet it does.

But that's the kind of thing that Congress can do.

It's not a matter for grand jury criminal investigation anymore.

And so pursue that.

Absolutely.

Another justice has been appointed.

That should give us all pause.

We'll talk that.

We'll kick that around with Jim Santel.

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In the time we have left, Jim, we wanted to talk a little bit about

Emil Beauvais, I believe is how you pronounce his name.

He was just confirmed this week by the Senate for a lifetime tenure on the Third Circuit Appeals Court.

And there were several, at least three whistleblowers that came out against this man.

Three whistleblowers inside the U.S.

Department of Justice at the time of meetings, maybe other conversations.

in which a man who is now, Jane, as he accurately said, going to be in a court, just one below the United States Supreme Court, what did he, with some fair reliability now, say to the Department of Justice lawyers about how they conduct themselves in our federal courts?

He said, you know what?

You don't have to follow what

federal judges tell you to do.

I will not use the word on this fine program, but he said when they ask you to do something that is contrary to our plan, our policy, the president's practice, and by the way, the Department of Justice is now the president's lawyers, not our lawyers, you can tell that judge F you.

And again, the one of the attorneys who was there filed this initial whistleblower complaint corroborated now by others, putting aside the language itself.

It is the significance of that direction to anyone inside the government, including lawyers of the Department of Justice who have an oath that they have taken to provide honest and truthful information.

If you don't know, you say you don't know.

If there are things that are protected, you identify that.

But you don't simply tell judges, as we have seen since, well, frankly, early on in this administration, this notion, you go into court.

If a judge asks you a question, you deceive, you don't answer, you make up responses, you can get fired for saying things like, oh, Mr. Abrego Garcia, he was administratively removed.

That can get you fired for being honest, as we know.

And that I would offer to you, I think your question is so important, Jane, because it reflects on what's going on inside the Department of Justice these days.

If you can't trust the Department of Justice lawyers to be honest and straightforward,

That's the core of our entire government right there.

And this was the concern well over a year and a half ago when we started talking about Project 2025, which essentially lays out the blueprint to fill the federal government with nothing but Trump loyalists.

And this is what's happening.

And as you said, Jim, it's no longer the American Department of Justice.

This is Trump's Department of Justice, and they are working for Donald Trump, not the American people.

Absolutely, it is stunning to know that our Attorney General Pam Bondi has said that explicitly she has said we work for the president and He has also said that the department

says

these are his they're mine.

They're they're his lawyers This is his Roy Cohen

so to

speak he is again erased of for Years and years generations there has been this arms-length relationship that has not been the case you represent the people in the interests of the United States of America and

That is a dramatic change, and it has an impact upon what happens in our courts and on the rights and positions of all of us.

That's why this is so important.

Now, now, Emil Beauvais on the Court of Appeals, I wonder out loud if there is an attorney for private sector, public sector, who was directed by the Court of Appeals to do something.

Does that attorney invoke what Emil Beauvais said when he was inside the Department of Justice?

Sayurana, I

I don't I'm not going to do that.

I don't have to listen to

you

We we are just about out of time Jim.

You already have an event in Wauwatosa tonight

Yes, it's so open to everybody.

We're gonna talk about the Supreme Court all kinds of cases I can just show up.

It's at the city hall there the firefly room

Public library public library

public library public library exactly and Open to anybody don't have to register.

I'm delighted to have any guests who would like to show up

wonderful and they'll be cookies

There's

cookies.

And some beverages, too.

Jim Santel tonight in Wauwatosa at the Wauwatosa Public Library.

What time does it start, Jim?

Six o'clock.

Six o'clock.

Six o'clock.

Tonight, join Jim at the Wauwatosa Public Library in the Firefly Room and join him every Saturday morning, 9 to 11, across the network for amicus law review.

Thank you so very much, Jim.

We will see you in a week.

Always a pleasure, Jen and Greg, take care.

You as well.

Thank you very much.

We have news coming up in just a little bit.

Then when we return prices, we have prices, but Jim's got to go.

Yeah.

We know.

Yeah, we're going to talk about the prices are up again.

And we saw this coming down the pike.

We knew this was going to happen.

Prices rise regardless.

But CEOs, they have a darn good reason, Jane.

are really during good reason

as to why they're rising and raising prices.

Oh, absolutely.

Yes.

And we're going to explain that really, really, really good reason after the news.

And then next hour, right after the 10 o'clock news, Ron Johnson is back in the news.

We got a good clip.

We have a we have a wonderful, wonderful clip from Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson.

That's coming up after 10 o'clock and also a little Derek Van Orden update.

That is all coming up in the next hour.

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Exactly.

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Prices.

Yes.

Washington Post out with an article today just came out about five minutes ago.

Shoppers are stressed, but some brands are raising prices anyway.

Citing tariffs Procter and Gamble now will hike many of its prices in a sign that other major retailers will be following suit Procter and Gamble, which makes, I don't know, a third of everything.

Yeah, right.

Dawn dish soap, Charmin toilet paper, crest toothpaste, tied detergent.

Procter & Gamble announcing today will raise prices on about a quarter of its product starting in August, partially because of the $1 billion hit in tariffs it expects to shell out annually.

Say that again, Jane.

The $1 billion tariff hit it expects annually.

I thought the other countries paid.

Yeah, that's not how tariffs work.

Oh, sorry.

Company has not specified which products they'll be hiking their prices on, but said increases will be about 2.5% on average.

And then we found this article from Brad Reed from Common Dreams.

And this headline says, great cover.

CEO is caught admitting they're using tariffs as an excuse to jack up prices.

They wouldn't do that.

Yeah,

that turns out they would.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's

what we expected.

It's what we knew was going to happen.

It's what's happening because this is what they do.

Aaron Jagfeld is the CEO of Generac Power Systems.

He said on an earnings call earlier this year, quote, even if we have metals that weren't impacted directly by tariffs, the indirect effective tariffs

is that it gives steel producers and the mills and fabricators great cover for increased pricing in some cases.

Great cover, Greg.

This is great.

Did you ever ask yourself, why do they say things like this on earnings calls?

Because I feel like whenever we hear insider information of a, of an embarrassing sort like this, I don't even know if they're embarrassed.

They probably feel no feelings, but it's always on earnings calls.

And I'm like, you know that.

People can hear that right like the words you're saying can be heard by other

people

This isn't just like a I'm calling my mom type of thing.

You're on a phone that's designated to talk to Hundreds if not thousands of people so maybe watch yourself or reword it or I Don't know send it in a letter to somebody but they always seem to admit it on earnings calls,

but again, what's gonna happen?

Nothing,

you're right.

Nothing so white white

Hide it.

Why try and cover it?

It's like, this is great cover, dudes.

Let's celebrate.

Way to go, Wisconsin-based company, Generac.

Some retailers have already started raising prices according to the Washington Post.

Walmart has targeted baby gear, kitchenware, and toys, stuff mostly made in China.

Industry experts expect some groceries will soon follow.

I don't know if you've gone shopping for beef lately.

Yes, yeah.

That kind of caught my attention the other day.

And to me, and I'm not paid by Big Beef, I'm just saying that if the prices are going up right now, it's time to explore your options as far as finding your meat from local sources then.

Because

yeah, you will pay a little bit more for locally sourced meats.

It's worth it.

But I don't know if it's going to be such a great price disparity now.

that it just doesn't make sense to find yourself a good butcher or a good farm and get your meat there because it's fresh, it's local, you're supporting directly to them.

And you know what you're getting your money's worth.

I have friends who do that.

You know, they'll go in with two other families and they'll buy half a cow.

Yeah.

And then

I'll

split that up.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And yes, this is exact.

This was going to happen regardless.

Prices always go up.

That's just what prices do as things get.

more expensive to make, prices go up.

That's understandable.

But this is not the first time they have used an excuse to raise prices.

And I'm just going to ask the public now, because last year and years before that when prices were going up,

They were happy to point their fingers at Joe Biden.

Absolutely.

And say it's Joe Biden's fault.

It's the Democrats' fault.

I'm paying $9 for toothpaste because of the Democrats.

No, it was because the companies raised their prices.

I mean, there were outside forces.

There were supply chain issues.

There was COVID.

There was high demand.

They took advantage of us.

How do I know they took advantage of us, Jane?

They admitted

to it.

Yeah, there's kind of that.

That little pointer.

The Trump administration's 50% steel and aluminum tariffs will lead to higher food and beverage packaging costs because coffee tins and beer cans and soda cans.

All of that stuff can be affected.

The tax foundation is a non-partisan Washington based think tank.

It projects tariffs will affect almost 75% of U.S.

food imports.

Lickers spirits baked goods coffee, especially coffee coffee fish and beer and not to mention $27 avocados.

I think that I think all Jane is just the simple fix to it all is we just got to start

Making coffee in our own land.

If

we just would make coffee.

Make the steel for the cans in our own place.

I got to manufacture our own toothpaste.

We got to manufacture our own toilet paper.

All that needs to be done in the United States of America.

Jane, the toys that we get our kids make them in the United States only and will be great.

I

don't know

how we're going to do that.

I have no idea.

But

if I say it out loud, it sounds really good.

you will manifest it into reality.

You just have to say it out loud.

Yes, exactly.

Another executive quoted in this report about CEOs sharing the little secret that they're going to hike prices because they can.

Matthew Stevenson is the CEO of Auto Parts Maker Holly.

He said, quote, in the marketplace, we've seen price increases well in excess of what we put out into the market.

adding that we've seen increases as high as 30% or more on some categories from some competitors.

And again, they're saying this out loud in these earning calls.

This has given us great cover to hike our prices.

Yeah.

The tariffs.

The tariffs are going to be, I mean, the tariffs were, yeah, the tariffs were going to hike our prices regardless because that's what tariffs do.

That's, you know, it's not a smart, beautiful plan.

It's not an elegant solution.

That's for darn sure.

But

Yeah, this is, this is going to allow them to raise those prices to a little bit more and a little bit more.

And we'll keep paying for them because those things from Procter and Gamble, our lives won't end if we don't have them, but you

know,

toilet paper, detergent, those are the things you need for everyday household kind of staples,

you

know, exactly.

But

In I mentioned before, this is not the first time they've done this.

And the reason why I say they've admitted it because in 2024, a story came out in Newsweek that Kroger admitted to price gouging because of the pandemic.

They used supply chain issues.

They used they use the pandemic.

They use high demand.

They used all those as reasons to raise their prices above the rate of inflation.

They came out admitted this.

And what we need to do as a collective society is

I know that the immediate thought is to have outrage towards the government.

And there is plenty of outrage to go around

without a dose.

But we have to remember that these are private businesses that are making the decisions on their prices, that some of them are doing it based on what the tariffs are going to do to them.

They have to react with this, which has passed those costs along us.

In these situations where we see them artificially inflating their prices due to quote unquote, the tariffs.

That's when we need to tell them without either our dollars or our voices.

This is unfair.

This is not good.

And companies will listen.

Walmart, Amazon and Target last year, lowered prices on items for sale because they saw the demand was high and they saw people were angry.

And they were in especially places like Walmart and Target face boycotts due to like their DEI positions.

But you make a big enough noise.

They may listen.

It's

got to

hurt, though.

It's got

to

hurt.

And it's got to be collective.

It's got to, I'm sorry, that's a socialist word, but it's got to be all of us together, regardless of who you voted for, because we all need toilet paper.

We all need mouthwash.

We all need these things to buy our friends, family and kids and whatnot.

But we can't just simply point our fingers at the government and say, it's your fault.

We can with regard to the tariffs.

We're talking about companies, some companies on earning calls.

with their shareholders, essentially saying, you know, this tariff thing, this has given us great cover to high car prices anyway.

Great.

During Amazon's Prime Day event, according to the Washington Post, sales of backspacks, lunchboxes, binders, calculators, and children's clothing, people were trying to jump on this early to do their back to school shopping.

Those were up 175% year over year.

175%.

People with kids elementary through high school say they'll spend an average of 858 bucks this year.

Down from last year, 874.

They're also moving away from brand names and looking for deals.

And they're looking for deals.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's what you gotta do.

And that, I mean that.

And when I was a young kid, if you didn't have a Jansport bag, you were a social pariah.

You had to have a Jansport bag, but nowadays it doesn't matter because you just got to get what gets you through the year.

And unfortunately, I mean, prime days, I...

I tried to find a funny thing to talk about prime days with us on the show, but at the end of it for me was just like the prices weren't great.

This election was terrible.

And I didn't need any of this stuff.

They were trying to sell me, but people are trying to find these back to school items.

And luckily there are a lot of programs out there where you can get free backpacks from organizations that are handing them out, but 175%.

That's a big jump.

That's a big dent in your kitchen table economy.

By the way, in case you're worried and who isn't about proctoring gambles, fiscal.

situation.

Yeah.

P&G saw its net sales in its last year fiscal year quarter jumped 2% to 20.9 billion dollars.

So they're obviously hurting.

It's tough.

You gotta pinch pennies, Greg.

You gotta pinch pennies when your profits are only 20 billion dollars.

I'm thinking that maybe this isn't the year for me to buy a seventh boat.

Maybe, maybe pulled off.

Just give it a little

time.

Maybe I'll get

a smaller

seventh boat.

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Senator Ron Johnson, Dan Schaefer brought this up yesterday when he was on the show.

Legislative, what did he call it?

Demagoguery.

Thank you.

Legislative demagoguery.

What a good word.

A new bill that would crack down on insider trading among members of Congress and Rojo's against it.

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Yeah, why don't I spend a little time on this?

just because I

found this headline amusing.

This is from The Daily Beast, so I guess keep that in mind.

Eric E. Forster with the byline, Trump struggles to find congressmen standing behind him.

I hate when that happens.

Keep losing these guys.

They're running around everywhere.

Now, yesterday, the president, sitting down, Derek Van Orden is over his right shoulder, and another lawmaker is over his left shoulder.

President Donald Trump briefly lost track of the room on Wednesday, searching for a Republican lawmaker whose bill he was signing while he stood inches behind him.

Donald Trump spoke for good two minutes on the bill that Derek Van Orden co-sponsored about our veterans.

I'm thrilled, he said, to be joined by the bill's sponsor, Congressman Derek Van Orden.

Where's Derek?

Derek, looking around the room.

Standing just over his right shoulder, Van Orton appeared to say, I'm here, prompting the president to finally notice him.

I've

been noticing him for years and I don't get credit.

That's what I'm gonna say.

The thing, I mean, this is a good bill that got signed yesterday.

It actually does help protect veterans from foreclosure, which is a great thing.

Maybe not everyone is aware of is that there was a similar program that was signed by President Biden in 2024.

But Jane, why would they get rid of it?

Because when Donald Trump took office, he killed it in May.

Yeah, there was a very, very similar measure about veterans, so they wouldn't lose their homes to foreclosure.

Biden administration got it done, enacted it in 2024.

Donald Trump comes into office, kills it.

in May and then comes up with this.

Well, this is DVO and John Ausoff, I believe, was the other co-author.

Again, this is a good program.

I'm delighted to see our veterans getting some help because they could use it.

But I think it's a little disingenuous to say, look at this wonderful thing we did.

Yeah, there was that thing before, but it had the other president's name on it and we can't have that.

Yeah, we had to make it better.

The other thing that jumped out at me when I saw this little press conference yesterday, president spent time talking about prices because we were just talking about prices.

And how high they are.

Well, no, how they're coming down.

Calvin, I believe we have that clip from the president of the United States yesterday talking about gas prices.

Can we play that clip, please?

So I just want everyone to know prices are way down.

That's a

big thing.

Groceries, everything.

If you look at fuel.

$2.35 a gallon, a lot of that.

But we actually had three states, four states, where it's down $1.99.

Where?

What?

There's three or four states where gas is a buck 99?

Derek, ask him where.

I'd love to know where that's happening.

You were standing right over his shoulder when he said that.

Can't you just lean up and say, excuse me, Mr. President,

Can you name those states where gas is a buck 99 a gallon?

I'd like to be able to tell my constituents.

I mean, if you'd like, I could give you some gas price information right

now.

I would be curious.

This

is according to gasprices.triplea.com.

This

is a website everyone can go to to check out what the gas prices are in individual states.

You can actually break down much further.

But right now the average gas price in America is $3, about 14, 15 cents as of today.

This is an updated daily ad with the...

highest prices, of course, in California on the West Coast and in Illinois, too, is 343, 344.

But in Mississippi right now, that is the lowest price.

It's $2.71.

That does not sound like $1.99.

That sounds nearly a dollar more than what the president has said.

And grocery prices, in fact, are not going down.

We just spoke about this.

They are going to be going up.

They have already gone up.

And this is one of those things where

My big mistake last year was talking about the economy like everyone understood the economy as if I understood the economy, which I'm not a math guy.

I'm not a numbers dork.

But this is kitchen table economy stuff, your groceries, your gas, back to school prices.

You cannot, with a straight face, look at these stories and say, oh, the president's right.

No, he's not.

Your groceries are going up.

And that's just what's happening to all of us.

Well, just if you're curious.

You might want to call Derek Van Orton's office and ask him, where are those three or four states where gas is a buck 99 in Gallant?

Because we're just curious and he should know he has access to the guy who said it yesterday will include a contact number for Mr. DVO.

You can also find it at www.vote.gov.

My vote.

My vote.

www.vote.gov.

Yeah.

Put in your address and then contact info for all of your elected officials.

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Yeah.

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Dan Schaefer mentioned this when he was on yesterday, and we didn't really have too much time to delve into it.

Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson yesterday, he's not happy with a new measure that would kind of crack down on insider trading among our members of Congress.

Senator Josh Hawley drew up a bill banning the practice of, again, congressmen

Congress women being able to trade on insider trading Josh Hawley drew up a bill banning that practice, but boy that's landing with a thud Including from the president Donald Trump on social media called Josh Hawley a second-tier senator Playing right into the dirty hands of the Democrats.

I don't think real Republicans want to see their president who has had unprecedented success targeted

So Rojo we're gonna play a little clip from Wisconsin senior senator Ron Johnson talking about this measure that would crack down on our Elected officials from using their insider information to trade stocks Calvin can we play that clip please from senator Ron Johnson?

We make it very unattractive For people to step up the plate and run for office or potentially serve an office.

I tried hiring a retired CFO many years ago

this after the pass of the stock act.

Would have been great.

I could have had somebody really expert in international taxation, that type of thing.

I could not find anybody willing to do it.

So this piece of legislation really, it's legislative demagoguery.

We do have insider trading laws.

We have financial disclosure.

Trust me, we have financial disclosure.

The press pays attention to it.

So I don't see the necessity of this.

I can imagine all kinds of unintended consequences.

Really?

You could relabel this law, quite honestly, the Career Politician Protection Act, because it'll make it so unattractive for people to give up their business, sell it.

They have to sell it.

Mm-mm.

Unless some ethics committee says, oh, no, there won't be a conflict of interest.

I mean, when we pass a tax law that lowers tax rates, we all benefit.

It's just an inherent, it's just an inherent issue.

When we pass tax cuts, we all benefit.

It's just inherent.

Jane, that may be the greatest one minute 15 seconds, the most impactful, full of confessions I have ever heard come.

I mean, really, honestly, I don't know if I've ever heard in such a small amount of time so much just.

blatant honesty coming out of one elected official.

I mean,

that was completely inadvertent.

Because when you played this for me, we both saw two, we saw two

different

blaring things.

I want you to talk about what you.

Well, okay.

My question is he tried to hire a retired CFO.

Now, the measure that he was referring to that stock act was developed after the crash in 2008, right?

Yes.

And then wasn't.

enacted into law until 2012.

But that was in response to what happened after the crash of 2008.

So Ron Johnson telling us that he couldn't find a former chief financial officer of a company

which from what I understand is a pretty high powered position.

If you're a company CFO.

Depending on your company, yeah, but you can make, I mean.

You can make some pretty good buck.

Yeah.

Being a CFO.

Exactly,

exactly.

So he couldn't find a retired CFO to work for him because he wasn't allowed to do insider trading.

Yeah, because the stock act specifically talks about, it's about transparency.

It's about making sure we understand.

Excuse me.

It aims at making the people capable of seeing how the elected officials make their money, essentially.

But isn't what he's saying, essentially, the reason to go into Congress is to make money.

And that was to get

rich.

That was my big blaring thing was that, you know, first of all, the whole CFO line basically said this, if this is true, which I don't think it is, but there was a man, I'll just call him a man.

former CFO sitting in his office saying, Hey, if it wasn't for the stock act, I would take the job, which to me is saying like, if I, if I could insider trade, that'd be great, but I can't.

So I'm not going to.

Well, what's the point of doing this?

And the line about, we're not making it attractive for people to run for office.

So what you, so what I hear from that is the people that you believe are running for office are seeking to enrich themselves.

There is no doubt that individuals in federally elected positions,

Become more wealthy over time

look at Kristen cinema

Bernie Sanders.

I think is worth ten million dollars now granted He's probably one of the quote poorer ones, right, but he's still worth way more than me But what he says something the effective we're not making it look attractive That's someone saying well I'd run for Congress, but I only make a hundred seventy four thousand dollars a year and get great health care I can't do anything else forget it and also

Where does it say you have to, I know you have to divest from your business.

Yes.

Or put it

into a

blind trust.

There are ways, but there's no, I don't believe there's a single law in the books that says you must sell your business off.

If you want to, you can, but I don't believe there's anything that says you have to know, you, for the time you're in office, you divest yourself.

Trump didn't sell

all his businesses.

No,

he did not at

all.

His sons are still running his businesses.

So

all of this.

Rojo didn't sell his business.

No.

And all of this being said is that he's searching for a reason not to support this, and every example he used basically just said out loud why some individuals go into politics in the federal level.

They want to make money, and they want to use the information available to them to enrich themselves.

He didn't even say it as like a, oops, I shouldn't have said that.

He literally said,

This is the reason why I'm against this.

By the way, Josh Hawley as a quote, second tier Republican Senator, the man raised a fist to the people who, who stormed the Capitol on January 6th.

Ask Derek Van Norton.

He probably saw him there doing that.

Cause Derek Van Norton was there, was there, but sorry, I didn't mean to go

out there,

but that's that, that line right there is like, it's the whole thing of, I think Josh Hawley is a rhino now.

Well, but that was yesterday.

Yeah.

Today.

Yes.

Josh Hawley had something else to say.

Yes.

He had a 11 hours ago.

The article came out about the second tier senator

because

that's what Trump does.

He reacts.

He lashes out.

He makes a statement to the press and that's what's the headline.

I get that.

We're used to that at this point.

45 minutes ago, Josh Hawley reports to having a, quote, good talk

with the president.

Did he?

Did he have a good talk?

Yeah.

So maybe this will, that will help make this bill go into what the politicians call a drawer.

It will go into a drawer and we'll just, we'll just forget about it.

Pretend it never happened.

Pretend it never

happened.

And the one time

Josh Hawley stood up for us.

I'm right.

My God.

Well, he crumbled like a cheep.

I mean, please.

And the other thing that jumped out at me on that, yes, there are allegedly already things in place that are supposed to police this.

But with their spending reports, their campaign finance reports and all that stuff, how many times have we had lawmakers go back and amend those reports after it was reported that they didn't go about things the right

way?

or they made money that hopes they forgot to include on there.

So that doesn't seem like what we have in place right now doesn't seem to have a whole lot of teeth.

No, and I was I was corrected on the live stream.

Thank you very much, PJ.

And I looked it up myself to Bernie Sanders is worth between 2.5 to 3 million

dollars.

He's practically a pauper.

Well, yeah, exactly.

And honestly, that nowadays, that's that's the retirement fund.

Hopefully have a good

couple who have worked their whole lives for 40 years and

blah, blah,

blah.

And, and we'll still have struggling moments in their lives.

But, uh, yeah, it, it, this whole notion, going back to the whole, um, uh, financial disclosures, the way he said it too, just trust me, they're fine.

No, don't say like it's a burden.

That's part of the gig.

You want to be a public servant.

You have to tell the public what you're about.

You must

disclose.

Sorry, that's kind of them.

Well today you have to maybe we'll just get rid of that down the road and they want to have to those burden some Reporting things they have to do

and honestly just do what Trump does don't do them and see who comes after you because he didn't disclose his taxes He's still being audited apparently but all they have to do is just not do something and we stand back and go hey You're supposed to do this.

They say no and we the regular people we don't have

We don't have the power.

We don't have the power on a regular day.

We have the power at the voting booth.

Absolutely.

We should always exercise that and make yourself available to do that and go to myvote.wi.gov.

Let Ron Johnson know that maybe he shouldn't be able to enrich himself through lowering his own taxes and inside information.

Maybe he'd like to know that.

I'm sure he would.

Myvote.wi.gov.

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It's been too long Civic media's meteorologist Brittney Merleau joining us for a little weather and wine You actually took a little time off for yourself to go to the EA last week.

What a difference that we

makes Britney.

Last week you were sweltering to death in that incredible heatwave we had, and today it's like 30 degrees cooler than it was yesterday.

Yes, the relief has been amazing because it was pouring water all over myself.

That tent heated up so

fast.

No, thanks.

Yeah, it was rough, but you know, it was fun.

It was worth it.

But now it seems like I was so excited for the cooler, more comfortable temperatures, and we just can't get a nice, good quality summer day with blue skies.

The wildfire smoke is just kind of unbearable.

It's hard to breathe.

Well, and there was a report that just came out that I saw on Twitter about

air quality reports.

And this is not good as of nine o'clock this morning.

Six Wisconsin cities are in the top 10 for worst air quality in the country, including Milwaukee, Beloit, Stockton, Traverse City, Waukesha, Rhinelander, Marquette, Madison, Houghton and Green Bay.

So again, these these wildfires in Canada, and I had really hoped

Obviously without hope yesterday because this was a huge line of storms that came across and I had hoped that they would get to the where they need them in in Canada and that didn't happen

No, no it didn't Eastern Canada is expected to have some rain coming up soon, but Western Central not so much Areas that really really needed so a big drought severe drought in some areas I mean there's 70 active large wildfires from this high pressure system that we were looking forward to

is the reason you know it's so dry and drought and calm there now it's moving its way towards us just dragging that smoke at us and I was looking into it it's kind of pretty cool it's at 20,000 feet and it moves at 125 miles per hour.

And we talked about this last year is this something you know with regard to wildfires and whatnot something and the smoke coming down from Canada that's just something we're going to probably be used to now that's something would just something that happens in our region.

Yeah, so that's the new norm Yay, we signed up for this unknowingly It really is and I was chatting with the Wisconsin DNR earlier this week and I was asking the same thing How unusual is this you know and the one thing that she was like it's earlier.

It's bigger.

Yep, you know Yeah, we send she's like usually we send people over there to help we're doing that now now we've got more

already.

And it's just the efforts are just ongoing and ongoing.

And their season runs till September, wildfire season in Canada.

So we've got a ways to go.

Yeah.

Was it two years ago or three years ago, the first time that that smoke moved into Wisconsin, because I'm 65 years old, that had never happened before.

I had never seen that happen before.

And now, as you said, Greg, unfortunately, apparently this is just going to be an annual thing.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

That was three years ago.

Um, you know, it started creeping into parts of northern Minnesota about 10 years ago or so.

But the fact that it's moving further south, more and more frequent, Illinois is starting to see it more and more often.

It's becoming the normal here.

Yeah.

It's not fun.

It's just very off-putting.

I don't know.

Like, because it's essentially it's newer and I don't know how to say this.

I don't forget that it's happening.

I think what I thought was.

I was expecting it a few months ago, maybe like in May and June, and it didn't happen, so I thought, oh, okay, well, maybe it's not that bad.

And then I walked outside, I'm like, oh, it is misty, foggy, weird outside, and it just, so it can just really happen any time during those months.

Yeah, so a lot of these fires were actually started by lightning strikes, so.

There's storm season started up, lightning strikes in the woods, it's remote area, they can't get to it.

It just blows out a proportion.

You've got the winds up there, tons of trees and stuff.

I mean, even today, no, we're not in a bad fire risk, but up north in our north woods, a moderate risk.

There's everywhere else, nothing.

What do we got coming for the weekend, Brittany?

As far as weather-wise, stay out across the state.

Well, I hope the smoke will be gone by Saturday fingers crossed that it will be out of here It'll sure for sure be gone by Sunday I can guarantee you that and comfortable temperatures mid to upper 70s as we close out the week and into the weekend Dry up until about Monday night I think there's a chance for some showers and storms far north and then Tuesday a little bit more likely Monday and Tuesday more widespread here for us,

but no more no immediate 95s coming our way or anything like that

Oh, she's not saying that.

Yeah, next weekend.

Next weekend, it's going to be back into that high heat, high humidity.

All that is going to definitely return.

So this weekend, comfortable.

Next weekend, you'll be sweating again.

So enjoy it while we got it.

The weather 180.

I

don't know why you ask that question every time, Jane.

You never

like the

answer.

Unless it's like mid-December, like, are we going to get 95 days?

No, it's December.

You're fine.

Great.

Enjoy bone cracking cold instead.

But no, yeah.

I just feel like don't ask the, don't ask the Herald of the Weather Gods, Brittany Merlot.

It'll never be the news you want.

That's right.

I just referred to her as the Herald of the Weather Gods.

I love it.

I love it.

Here's the good news.

So with the humidity, ladies, everyone, you age slower.

It's better for your face and the wrinkles and the skin.

There's your positive.

There you go.

She said that

looking at

me.

That's

okay.

She said

she was looking at me, but that's okay.

Men, we just get old and withered over time and we take it, because that means we had a good life.

Brittany Merlot is Civic Media's meteorologist.

She joins us every Thursday for

a

little weather and wine.

Thank you so much, my friend.

Really appreciate it.

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