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all moving around the screen.

It was making me a little nauseated.

Oh, my God.

I almost choked it out of my coffee before the show this morning.

Oh, it wasn't because I was so funny.

It

was because you were hilarious.

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We have a busy show coming up for you today.

Pat Crichtlow from Mornings with Pat Crichtlow across the network from 6 to 9 a.m.

joining after the 9.30 news.

He spent some time on his show this morning talking about one of the Republican candidates for governor of Wisconsin, Bill Barion, and had some interesting comments in an interview he did with a Madison reporter.

So we're going to talk to Pat a little bit about

Bill Barion and his effort to take over the governor's office from Tony Evers, who has announced he is not seeking a third term.

Speaking of that, Wisconsin Secretary of State, Sarah Gottluske, joining us after 10 AM.

I'm going to talk again about the governor's race, whether or not she is interested in the governor's race, whether or not she is potentially interested in another position.

She's also here to talk about a town hall.

She's holding tonight with Gwen Moore.

Exactly.

Congresswoman Gwen Moore in Racine will have more information on that as well.

But yeah, there's a lot going on.

Her name is definitely in the mix.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then for audio sorbet today, after 1030, this

is

where we like to try and lighten things up a little bit.

Get away

from the

news.

The hops.

Most overrated tourist spots.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You see signs for it.

You're on the road.

You know, go online.

What can we do when we're visiting this town?

Go to X. Go to this thing.

Most overrated tourist spots coming up after 1030 for audio sorbet.

I have one in particular

in mind.

If you've ever traveled across South Dakota, you know what I'm talking

about.

Oh, no.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, please

don't.

No, don't.

It's off.

No.

And then we'll wrap it up as we always do, very end of the show, around 1051-ish.

This shouldn't be a thing.

Today it's the Bite Me edition.

My husband sent this to me.

You'll go, what?

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I wanted to start off just with an acknowledgement of what happened last evening in New York City.

Four people were killed, including a police officer, another person seriously injured after a gunman opened fire inside an office building in Midtown Manhattan.

The suspect then took his own life.

It is believed.

And this is depending upon various reports that are coming in because this is still a developing story.

But the suspect has been identified as Shane Devant Mora as the man who opened fire yesterday, killing four people.

He had a note on him claiming he suffered from CTE and making references to the NFL.

The NFL built offices are in that building.

So again, this is a developing story.

But we did want to acknowledge this starting off.

This mass shooting again happened yesterday in Midtown Manhattan.

Shane Devin Tamura has been identified as that suspect.

Closer to home, wanted to start off with something from the Wasaw Pilot and Review.

And if you remember, the Wasaw Pilot and Review is this little independent publication.

Correct.

Yes.

Yeah.

Online newspaper.

Online newspaper.

local reporting local reporters on the ground There was an effort to essentially sue them into oblivion.

Yeah within the last couple of years.

Yes Because a lawmaker Republican didn't like one of their stories and So yeah, they almost got sued into oblivion managed to survive and is now out

With this story that we will include in our show notes, fiscal facts, Wisconsin education spending falls further behind the national average.

So as much as Robin Voss and all the other Republicans like to pat themselves on the back and say they're such good guys for increasing education funding, that's because we have been so far behind for so very, very long.

Robin Voss was on upfront earlier this year and when asked about education spending, he did not want to really increase it at all.

As you remember, now in her second term, secretary of, sorry.

superintendent of DPI, she called for $4 billion increase in investment.

Robin Voss said that was a non-starter.

His contention is that they gave the Wisconsin educational system the greatest increase in a generation.

That's paraphrasing, but he did say in a generation, that is a quote from what he said.

And we've discussed it before, the matter of

Yes, of course.

If I've never, Jane, if I've never given you any money in my life.

If the amount is zero.

If the amount is zero, and then today I give you $5, I can say, well, I gave you the most money I've ever given you in my life.

I

increased my money by my donation of money by 100%.

It's still a true statement, and I'm still a jerk.

But Robin Voss made that statement, and it's because they

They wildly strangled the educational system here in Wisconsin out of money, and they have been underfunding it for so long.

So any little bit in his head helps.

But as we're seeing in this article from the Wausau pilot in review, that...

it is still not enough.

No, we're still behind.

Wisconsin spent about $14,000 per pupil on public elementary and secondary education in 2023.

That's the most recent year that's available.

This is almost 10% less than the national average of about $16,000 a year.

So we're still behind.

We're still behind.

And what I would love to see, because this is a statement, this looks like a press release or a story from the Wisconsin.

policy forum.

And this also then brings me into, I mean, cause when you look at the numbers here is it is really, really disappointing that we talk constantly about the education system in Wisconsin being not good enough.

It's because they're not getting the funding they need to teach them being paid enough, but also we can't talk about this without bringing up the fact that

That we have a second school

system.

I was

just gonna say that yes, we are running two school systems with our tax dollars Yeah, yeah the amount of money we send to private schools now voucher schools It's pretty astonishing.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and that is your tax money being given to and The conversation on vouchers is interesting because one thing it has

Roots and Milwaukee and the original Howard Fuller was the one

who started it.

Yep.

And if you listen to the drop, if you live in WA UK, I've been playing actually clips of Earl's interviews with Dr. Fuller on this topic, talk about the original history, which was based in a lot of, it was based in like, we want to get children a good education and here's a way we can do it.

Here's a pilot program.

What it has morphed into is an ugly version of just rich families.

Getting money from you the taxpayers to send their children to private schools Also schools that will take your money your tax money Take in students throw them out and keep the funding.

It is not what I Is I know for a fact because he says this is not what dr. Fuller envisioned I'm sure it's not so when we're talking about the the the funding of schools here in, Wisconsin I'm sure a big reason why

Excuse me why the funding is almost 10% less than the national average is because So much of has been siphoned off to charter and public schools and I will include once again from the Wisconsin Education Network Their their breakdown which you can go on to you can look up your your school district and see how much of your tax dollars have been diverted to charter and private schools and I have heard from public school teachers in the past and years before

Their problem isn't as much with the voucher system itself.

It's the fact that there are no standards to which they get to hold those voucher schools versus the public schools, which come in an incredible scrutiny and are constantly being used as a punching bag to just basically blame why our kids aren't being taught well enough, which is because it's way more nuanced than the schools

suck.

Well, and I go back to, I do not understand how we can shell out millions and millions and millions of dollars to private institutions.

And yet there is no state body to which they have to answer.

Who are they accountable to?

Exactly.

Doesn't

seem like they're accountable to anybody.

And in this article, it says the Census Bureau's annual survey of school system finances collects finance information from public school systems and some charter schools.

but excludes charter schools operated by private entities as well as private schools, as well as all private schools.

So we're not getting the full information on how much is being spent on students, but we do know that those charter schools that are brought by private entities, most likely in Wisconsin, are getting something from voucher programs.

And again, I don't think voucher programs are evil in its conception.

I just think the way they're run

is backwards because if there are parents out there who truly can't afford to send their kid to a good school and we can work out a system where you get the money, there's checks and balances, there's standards to be held, and if they're not, then there are consequences to be paid, not the child, the schools.

Okay, also.

If you are a parent, if you are parents, if you are a parent or a family and you make over a certain amount of money, you are no longer eligible for the voucher program because you can afford to send them there.

Rich people getting our money to send their kids to private school, to me, I don't understand how you can support that.

Well, and this has been looked at in states around the country

who

have voucher programs.

And at least from what I have seen, the vast majority of people who are getting this state aid already had their kids enrolled in these schools.

So they could afford to have their kids in these schools already.

Yeah

going to what you said.

I think that This is one of those, you know, I we wanted to share the story because it's it's it's it's upsetting It's disappointing, but we need to remember that one anytime Robin Voss talks about the greatest investment in our education wonderful thing they did that it's not as great as he thinks it is and we're still lagging behind by a great

and it's important to go to myvote.wi.gov and let your elected officials know this.

If education is important to you, if you have children in school, public schools, call them, talk to your representatives, and tell them what you think about this.

Hey, I don't have kids in schools.

I'm a tax payer.

I'm helping fund this.

I get to weigh in on this too.

I voted for an increase in my property taxes to fund this stuff, and I don't have kids.

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Bad, bad Bob.

Naughty, naughty Bob.

All the details coming up.

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Two things.

I just want to say, first of all, go Brewers.

ruined the Cubs last night.

It was wonderful to watch.

You had to stick around through the whole game

though.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

It started off, it started off as one of those.

Oh man.

And then I looked at the score later.

I'm like, Oh wow.

And then I woke up this morning cause I fell asleep before the game was over.

I'm like, yeah.

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We don't have a lot of time to spend on this, but it just kind of jumped out at me because he just has been around forever.

Yeah, in one form or another.

It literally bobs and weaves all over Milwaukee County.

If you live in in Milwaukee County, this is in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from today, Daniel Bice, who loves to be a thorn in pretty much everybody's neck.

It's his job.

The headline reads, Representative Bob Donovan was paying himself $850 a month from his campaign until he got caught.

Yeah.

In 2022, Donovan, a longtime Milwaukee Alderman, was elected to represent the 84th Assembly District in Greenfield after defeating Luann Byrd.

At the time, Mr. Donovan had homes in both Milwaukee and Greenfield.

of the people.

After the legislative boundaries were redrawn last year, Donovan said he would run for the newly formed 61st assembly district, but his home in Greenfield was outside of that district, so he got an apartment in the new district while keeping his other home.

Now, this doesn't end there.

In November, Bob Donovan narrowly once again defeated our friend Luann Byrd

He voted using the address of his new in-district apartment.

His wife used the old out-of-district home to vote.

A month after he won, Donovan began paying himself $850 a month from his campaign for staff lodging at his old house.

He totally paid himself about $6,000.

in the seven months after the election.

Who is supposed to be living at this apartment?

And why was he paying himself this again from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel?

He did have two legislative employees, both have their own homes.

So was Donovan using his campaign account money just to pay off the mortgage for his old now out of district house or to cover the rent at his new in district

apartment?

Donovan did not return calls or emails according to Daniel Bice.

He did however last week Reimbursed his campaign for $5,100 that it had paid him for that so-called staff lodging and also refiled a campaign finance report

Isn't it amazing how you can do that like our

lawmakers and not just in Wisconsin, but on the federal level yeah with this whole

Hinky reporting on campaign spending and then going back and rewriting it.

So it, it's astonishing.

It's the closest thing we have in this world to chime travel.

You can go back in time and say, Oh, I did that thing.

Yeah.

Uh, I personally have a lot of.

I have a lot of problems with any politicians and I can think of politicians on both sides of the aisle Yes, who have done this thing up.

Well, I can't win here anymore.

So I'll just move I'm gonna move four blocks away I don't look that that is like carpet begging on any level whether it's local state or federal is something that I really do not enjoy and I think it's insulting to the people and Unfortunately in this situation, they voted for him.

I think Lou Ann Bird was a better choice.

I agree But at the very least we can say no to people who care company and Tim Michaels, but yeah, this is

finances alone, which to me calls for an investigation.

And they just

shouldn't be at the rest of us wouldn't be able to do this.

No, not at all.

And I, if they're going to be our elected reps, they shouldn't be able to do stuff that we can't get away with.

Yeah.

And they shouldn't be, they shouldn't, they shouldn't be able to quote, pay it back.

And, you know,

and just skate away.

It's like, oops, I made a mistake.

Money's back.

New report.

All good.

I'll see you next month.

Bob Donovan's been around long enough to know what he can and can't do with campaigning money.

And he knows

what he can get away with.

Apparently.

Exactly.

Exactly.

We have news coming up and then Pat Crichtlow will be with us.

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They are holding a town hall.

She's holding a town hall here in Racine along with Gwen Moore that's happening tonight.

So she will have all the details about that and what's going to be happening at tonight's town hall, among numerous other things.

Wisconsin Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi joining us after 10 o'clock next hour at this time.

It's the segment we call Audio Sorbet, where we like to lighten things up a little bit, take a breath, get away from the news.

Today's Audio Sorbet is the most overrated tourist destinations.

We've all gotten sucked into something.

Go see the blank and you get to the blank and it's not what you were expecting.

Look

at the great blank of the

blanks.

So most overrated tourist destinations coming up after the 1030 news right now though We are joined by our friend and colleague and host of mornings with Pat Crichtlow from 6 to 9 a.m.

Weekdays across the civic media network Pat Crichtlow is here.

Good morning, sir.

How are you?

I'm great.

I'm great.

I love a good road trip and I love a good tourist destination.

And I know the one that you're hinting at, Jane, and I'm going to be so sad next hour when you talk about how overrated you think it is.

It might come on.

I mean, there's so much buildup as you cross South Dakota.

There is so much height because there's nothing else to look at.

Exactly because you're traveling across South Dakota.

There is nothing else to.

grab your attention.

So yes, that is one of my most overrated.

I

can't wait for this

one.

Jane also hates

joy.

Tune in at

1035.

And puppies and butterflies and

flowers.

A crack about South Dakota actually got me in more trouble than anything else as a TV anchor.

Really?

It

was just the most innocent thing.

It was a very windy day.

And I made some comment about there's nothing in South Dakota to stop the wind, you know, from blowing here.

And my goodness, one or two people with South Dakota roots, you're called in and like, you can't insult South Dakota like that.

And like, tell me what's not true.

Yeah.

But

seriously.

Yeah.

So I suppose they wouldn't like my suggestion that North and South Dakota be fenced off and turned into a large animal risk.

My God.

Wow.

I

just want them combined because there's no way they deserve four U.S.

Senate seats between them.

There's that

too.

You talk about the intentional gerrymandering.

Hey, everybody, listen to us wherever you are on the app, especially if you're in the Dakotas.

I will say this really quick, because I know we're going to talk about the governor's race.

I was really surprised that in Sarah Rodriguez's video, she made quite a swipe at Arkansas.

Because she's talking about the expansion of Medicaid and that we're one of 10 states

that

don't have it.

And he goes, Arkansas has it.

Arkansas, I'm like, oh dude, you might have to work with her

one day.

The place gave you Sarah Huckabee Sanders for governor.

for goodness sakes.

So I think, I think in this case, the swipe was deserved.

I would agree.

I mean, the

states voted for two Huckabees for governor.

What are we talking

about?

I

know we can't, we can't, we can only help you so much.

Okay.

Sorry,

I didn't mean to derail.

Send in the right direction.

What you do after that,

it's out

of our hands.

If you have complaints about our conversation, send their emails to pat at pat crite low.com.

at arkansas.gov or South Dakota.

As I was listening to your show coming in this morning, as I always do, I've heard you talking about Bill Berrien, who is the businessman who has entered the gubernatorial race.

And you were

that's my qualification.

I'm a business.

Right.

Exactly.

And the one thing that you kind of focused in on a little bit was he was asked about.

And at least this is what jumped out at me when you played this interview he did with a reporter in Madison.

And she was asking him about the 1849 abortion ban.

And he said he is very pro-life, obviously.

And she said, well, what, you know, right now it is 20 weeks.

in wisconsin you can get an abortion up to 20 weeks and she asked him about that and he said i just don't think they should be you know in late they shouldn't be late this tells me he does not know how many weeks a woman is pregnant

no

And it tells me that he has a number already, but he won't dare share it.

And I sense it may be when you say, as he did, quote, so my philosophy is I am pro life.

If I find out later after he wins and is sworn into office and the first bill he introduces is a six week, in other words, total abortion ban, I will not be the least bit surprised.

Yeah.

I mean, honestly, like the way he talks, it doesn't sound like you would even allow six weeks.

No.

Well, and what frustrates me is that where are the follow-ups on this?

We have seen enough cases now of women who are beyond whatever the limit is, be it 20 weeks or 12 weeks or whatever it is.

We have seen numerous instances of women who are past that date, who are either going to die,

or they're going to get the health care that they need, which in many instances is a form of abortion.

Sure.

Let's ask, you know, again, the rich white... But nobody

asks them about that.

Right.

No, let's ask the rich white guy.

Like, you know, if the law were such that, you know, you could not be treated for your prostate cancer if it were found to be so far along.

well, but I didn't know I had prostate cancer until then.

Well, I'm sorry, but that's the law.

And I know what the response is from the anti-choice folks, but the fact of the matter is you're talking about taking away a

person's choice on what to do with their body before they know they have a particular condition in this case being pregnant, which is a medical condition with all of the complications that can come with it.

Why would you not have comprehensive reproductive health care for every woman?

And we have now spoken to not one but two women on this show who have come forward with their stories about being mothers.

or wanting to be a mother, having a family.

Wanted pregnancy.

This

is a wanted pregnancy and because of tragic and horrible circumstances, must, should, I shouldn't say should, buy a doctor's decision, should go through an abortion and are being told, sorry, no, you can't.

And it's, it comes down always to the fact that the...

the anti-choice people, or as I call them, anti-freedom, have done a great job of writing the narrative of the wayward woman who is using abortion as birth control.

And if she just found herself a husband and she's settled down and had a real baby, everything will be fine.

And there'd be no problems whatsoever.

And isn't life grand, Jane, when people just do what we want?

No.

This is not the case, and I don't know what the number is.

I believe Dr. Lyrely said it, and we can ask her when she's on the show, but the amount of women who have to go through the...

the medical procedure because their baby is not viable is the higher number versus women who are just like, I'm seven months pregnant.

I think I'm getting an abortion.

That's just not a thing.

No,

it's not.

And in

terms of the number of, in terms of the number of weeks at which, you know, an abortion ban could be considered, and I've asked Dr. Leighly this is, you know, six weeks, nine weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks, what are those based on?

And their answer is always the same.

Nothing.

Nothing.

Nothing.

Right.

There is zero medical science or knowledge behind that number.

The only standard you could theoretically use is viability.

Right.

To survive outside the womb, which is in the 21 to 22 week range, which is why you've had viability as the standard.

Anything less than that.

is a made-up number for political convenience.

It's interference between, you know, in a woman's life and in the relationship between her doctor and her patient and her healthcare, and it needs to stop.

Pat Crichtlow is our guest.

He is the host of mornings with Pat Crichtlow across the network weekdays from six to nine a.m.

We are talking about Republican candidate for Governor Bill Berrien in an interview that he did with a reporter in Madison covering numerous things including abortion bans and Bill Berrien was very vague about it and he's against late he's he's against late and Cassandra

On the live stream, I think has a good point.

This language is intentional.

Everyone has a different idea of late.

It just gives them permission to be even more strict.

And she also says, but viability has also changed over time because of medical technology.

And that's something that I think of because it was a conversation I can't remember if it was with you and Dr. Liarley Jane or you and Dr. Liarley Pat, which was you see billboards all over the state, all over the country that say.

Eyes since it's 16 days after conception conception is a

is a construct.

Well, it's an amorphous thing.

Yeah, it's not something we're like, we're like, Oh, the people, the people did the deed, the conception happened now.

So therefore, no, it there's no, there's no timeframe you can put it on.

It is not something that science.

This is when this is this is the moment conception happens.

No, and they

do they people that want to know they want to nail that down.

Well, from that moment of conception, which you can't possibly know.

And if you're going that way, if conception is where you want to go, then

you are walking right into the Monty Python bit every sperm is sacred.

Yes, seriously.

And I know maybe that's a little too much for morning radio.

But where's the next step after that?

You know,

well, one of the big complications that has always been actually heard it as a joke once.

But then the moment of like, okay, well, if I may

20 year old and I get busted for underage drinking and you believe life begins at conception.

Well, then I'm nine months older than what you have told me on my birth certificate because that's what I'm playing by your rules, guys.

That's what I'm doing.

You say I'm 20 because I was born on whatever date, but you say life begins at conception.

So really I'm 21 years old and your case falls apart.

I mean, that's something someone's going to have to bring into consideration that if quote unquote life begins at conception.

That means we're all, sorry, you're all nine months older.

Well, and the other thing I've seen within the last couple of days now, Bob Kennedy Jr., who is the head of our Health and Human Services, is now talking about taking away women's ability if you are pregnant to be on antidepressants.

Of course, because again, what is this all really about?

It's

about

control.

It's all control.

We can control your decision making.

We can control your bodies.

We can control your health care, your education, the taxes that we're making you pay.

It's always been about that, not about governing.

but about ruling.

And when you're going for arbitrary numbers or arbitrary standards like whatever, whenever, you know, conception happens, that's the giveaway that it's about controlling people's lives, not actually doing anything to make life a little easier or better for people who are not.

you know, clumps of fetal cells that are convenient for a political discussion.

God forbid I take care of you after you're born, however.

Well, and we talk about that all the time, Pat, this big mantra on the right that we're the party of life and we love life and we love babies and we love mothers, except when it comes to all the whole, oh, you're born now and now you need services.

Again, if you just talked to Senator Ron Johnson about childcare, the elegant solution, Pat, is for women just to quit the workforce and voluntarily watch other women's children.

That's Ron Johnson's solution.

Right.

I mean, there's all this talk about how, you know, children do better if they've got both parents at home.

But

God forbid you help them, you know, afford child care.

Right.

Because that's often why one of the parents is working outside of the home.

They always want to have it both ways.

And when you see any politician trying to have something both ways, it is normally about control rather than policy or service.

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before

You joined us if you were just joining us.

We were talking about Bill Barion, who is one of the latest Republicans now to throw his hat into the ring for the governorship.

And we were talking about his stance on abortion.

He doesn't want late term abortions, didn't go into much detail about that, I think by design.

But we had a couple texts come in that I thought were important to share.

Pat Sue from Franklin.

Listening on WAU case as I had a tubal pregnancy and the doctor had to remove my fallopian tube along with the embryo.

Without that surgery, I could have died if my tube had ruptured.

It's crazy.

These people don't get that because of that surgery.

We turned to IVF to have a baby.

It worked out.

We have a beautiful 26 year old daughter, but those same people want to outlaw IVF as well.

And Isaac from Biribu also texting in, this is why it's important to know the policies of the candidates.

Democrats, for the most part, vote to protect a woman's right to choose.

Any vote for a MAGA far-right politician is a vote to strip rights away from women and the LGBTQ and immigrant communities.

And I do think it's important to point out, I have heard more than one Republican politician, male politicians, say there is no reason or need for an abortion ever.

And that simply is in that simply wrong.

It

shows a level of ignorance that is perhaps best illustrated by an ectopic pregnancy, as you first described, that is happening outside the uterus.

And it is a depressingly astonishing number of politicians, overwhelmingly male, who say, well, they can just fix that they can just put the ectopic pregnancy into the uterus.

No.

No, no, no

doesn't work that way

Maybe some time in the future the far future they'll find a way to do that.

That's not how this works right now It's not how the human body works and it is that Intentional ignorance about human sexual biology, especially

women's especially women's

biology that is such an impediment to good public health care policy

Well, and you make a very good point that about right now you cannot

reinsert in ectopic pregnancy, you cannot move it from the tube into the womb.

As you said, Pat, that is simply not medically possible.

Maybe someday that will happen, but that would require investment in medical research, which we can't, which we're not doing anymore.

We don't wanna do that anymore.

And something I wanted to bring to light with what Sue was saying with regard to IVF really quick is that

For the longest time, Republican, Democrat, everyone agreed IVF was great.

There are Republican lawmakers who are the

beneficiary

of IVF.

And we kind of all thought IVF is fine.

And then the chatter happened.

And then a group of religious figures voted against it.

So now it's this thing of like, it's not even on the table because I know why, but people say why.

And so my point is like, you can't

The trust then is that like, okay, you don't want to abortion.

That's fine.

I Agree with that, but IVF is great.

It's not great now.

What's the next line?

What is the next thing you can't do?

Like are you gonna say adoption isn't good anymore because well, they're not your real baby

Yes, there that here's the thing Greg the the situation that we live in now where people are people who normally

sat on the sidelines because they were so out of the mainstream.

I would go so far as to say some people whose beliefs, you know, were best left under a rock, are crawling out from under the rock now.

And getting elected and they're getting

elected and waving their red hats.

And it is only going to get worse as these folks who are emboldened continue to draw support from people who previously understood

that their view, they were all dead set in their belief, but they also knew the overwhelming majority of folks weren't going to jive with them.

But as fewer people tune into the political process or get educated about human sexual biology or anything like that, it enables these fringe beliefs to take root in ways I never thought we'd see in our lifetime.

And it, sadly, is going to get worse before it gets better.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, if you'd like to join the conversation.

Cassandra from New London is on the line.

Cassandra, we only got about 90 seconds left.

Thank you for joining us.

What did you want to say?

Good morning.

Yeah, this is the thing that really angers me, and it just shows you that there's no compassion from the right as far as, like, abortions go, especially in, like, what they coined, late-term abortions, which, again, there's really no such thing.

It's just language that they use just to confuse people.

But I think what people don't necessarily realize, whether it's on purpose because of the propaganda or otherwise, when someone ends a pregnancy,

After 20 weeks, generally they're giving birth to that baby.

They're not having this procedure that, you know, the far right evangelicals put on these posters when outside of Planned Parenthood to scare people.

Like women are going through labor and delivery and having these babies that they will not take home with them.

And the lack of compassion from these people who want to take away this right to women is

It's just, it's incredibly ingering because they clearly don't care.

Cassandra,

I'm sorry.

Yep, it is soul crushing.

Thank you, Cassandra, for weighing in on that.

Thank you, Pat.

Quite low.

Really, really appreciate it.

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We are delighted to be joined by Wisconsin Secretary of State.

Sarah Godluschi is with us.

Good morning, Secretary Godluschi.

How are you?

Hi, Jane.

Hi, Greg.

It's good to be with you all this morning.

Great to have you back.

I think the Greg and I were talking about this before we started the show.

I think the last time we were able to get you on, you had such bad laryngitis.

I felt so badly for it.

I felt like we were torturing you every time we asked you a question.

It's like that poor woman.

Let her go.

Let it go.

Let it

go.

I think this is the first time I had to like stop my interview almost midway because I just couldn't.

Get the words out and sign language wasn't going to work.

The dancing of sorts wasn't going to really work either.

So it was, it was, yeah, it was just, you were such a trooper.

Thank you for hanging in with us for as, for as long as you did.

But now you're back in full voice.

And you and Congresswoman Gwen Moore are going to be in our, our stopping grounds here in Racine.

Tell us about the town hall meeting that you are hosting tonight.

Yeah, so Congresswoman Gwen Moore and I are going to be in Racine later today to talk about the big brutal bill is what I like to talk about because literally Wisconsinites I believe has been sold kind of this false all these lies about the reality behind this bill is it's giving corporations and the wealthy 1% these massive tax breaks while

working Wisconsinites are flipping the bill.

And so we've invited Congressman Stiles to come and join us.

He voted in support of this big, brutal bill because I think Wisconsinites have the right to know about what cuts are coming to Medicaid and food share and renewable energy programs that are significant to the first congressional district.

Well, and I find it interesting that

All the Republicans who voted in favor of this are so, it's so good and it's so wonderful and it does so much for Americans, but we just don't want to see you face-to-face to talk about it because it's that wonderful.

Right, well, and like for what Americans?

Right, right.

maybe Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

Yeah,

great for

them.

Great Jeff Bezos, but not for, you know, Teresa the school teacher or Terry the nurse that are critical to our communities here in Wisconsin.

And I mean, just look at the math because, you know, as a former state treasurer, Jane and Greg, I'm kind of a numbers dork, but like, you know, I mean, look, like the math is this bill is going to increase the deficit by 3.

or trillion dollars.

So let's make sure that the apparent party of fiscal responsibility gets that down on paper because that's pretty fiscally responsible if you ask me.

But then how are they trying to like make the numbers work?

Well, the number one program that they're cutting is Medicaid at $1 trillion.

So the seniors here that 1.5 million people that get Medicaid here in Wisconsin are going to be impacted.

Then all right.

Well, what other programs can we maybe cut?

So then the number two program that they're cutting is food share.

So, you know, the 700,000 Wisconsinites that get food share.

Now, let's also talk about 70% of those families have kids.

So, you know, those, those fraudulent kids that are stealing our tax dollars.

Oh God.

So they're going to be impacted.

And then you think about the renewable energy programs, our state gets 2.5 billion.

dollars in investment, thousands of union jobs are a result of these renewable projects.

And they're like, you know what, we're going to put more requirements and make it harder.

And you know what, best of luck getting a job.

So that's what's really at stake with these cuts from this

bill.

And forgive me, you referred to yourself as a quote math dork.

Was that what was the numbers dork?

The

numbers

nerd, I

think maybe.

I am not.

And that's what I find very interesting about this whole thing is that I am not good at math.

But I am smart enough to know when I hear $3.4 trillion increase on a deficit to know that's bad.

And one of the things we've been talking about a lot, you know, there's the Medicare Medicaid Snap Cuts.

Look at you, Derek Van Orden, about this.

But also,

Talking about those small programs, we just talked about yesterday, which was the program that was teaching people in Wisconsin about nutrition, that's going to be cut.

The program for farmers that pays them to grow food, to give to food pantries, being cut.

These are all, it always seems like, as you said, it's great for Jeff Bezos.

I mean, let's face it, he just paid $50 million for a wedding.

So he's struggling.

He's struggling.

He's struggling.

Right,

poor guy.

It just seems like every pro every everything that needs to be cut is always a social program is always a program that helps as someone for people who don't have the voice or the pockets to afford their own car or the lobbyist senator.

Exactly.

It just seems like we constantly take it on the chin.

But yet they get to sell it as this is going to be amazing for America.

Right.

Right.

Well, and I think what I mean, when you look at it, too, there's two kind of significant groups that are paying for it.

One is the state, right?

Because basically what this bill does is it says, okay, so you know how we were helping to cover the Medicaid costs that we know seniors and children, one in six kids in Wisconsin, rely

on

badger care.

20% of at least like hospitals rely on Medicare.

They are oftentimes the single largest employer in rural communities are hospitals that are Medicaid funded.

We know that the state's going to have to at least carry a billion dollars from what we're going to lose.

If we look at food share, we are going to have to pick up the bill for over $314 million annually.

And we just went through the budget process.

It's not like there's quarters or nickels that we can find under state buildings to cobble together this money.

you know we are now put in this position where how are we going to be able to cover these costs because the feds aren't going to be providing this fund that oh by the way we've been paying into um but they are looking at the states and you know our tools and our toolbox are like taxes are making more cuts and so it's just a really um I mean it's going to be devastating to communities across the state.

If you're just joining us, we're talking to Wisconsin Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi talking about a town hall that that she will be holding along with Representative Gwen Moore tonight in Racine.

And I just want to get the actually here it is going to be at the Gateway Technical College, the Great Lakes Room Room R116 tonight at 6 p.m.

And they'll be talking about the big brutal bill, the big bill for billionaires, whatever you want to call it, but it's not beautiful.

And I noticed

on the notice I noticed on the graphic it does say as you mentioned that congressman style was invited and I've seen other town halls where they make mention your congressman has been asked to be here.

I wouldn't hold your hopes up.

We will include, by the way, those details in our show notes.

So if you live in the Racine area and you would like to attend, you're able to track it down.

So go to civicmedia.us right after the show.

And Greg will include those

details

in our show notes.

As you said, Wisconsin Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi is our guest talking about that town hall they're going to have tonight.

The other thing, Secretary Godluschi, that just jumps out at me is

And granted, I'm not an elected official, and I'm sure that there are many, many, many things they have to read.

But when it comes to something like the budget bill, you would think it would be incumbent on our lawmakers to actually know all the stuff that's in it.

Like, I don't know, $45 million for the Garden of Heroes.

We can afford that.

We got $45 million lying around in the federal government for that, but we can't help our kids.

Well, I think that's what's been so fascinating is it seems like when you are able to get these Republican members of Congress who voted for this bill and you ask them and you, you know, look them in the eye and say, okay, um, I'm apparently now going to be cut or my food share is going to be cut, um, or my healthcare is going to be cut.

And if I can't, if I'm not healthy, I can't work.

And so, and they're like, Oh, wait, I didn't vote for that.

And you're like, no, no,

you did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You did vote for it.

And I think the irony is all of this is, I mean, not to take us back, but, you know, Ron Johnson, when he decided to run for reelection a few years ago, said that the reason why is he didn't want to mortgage our kids'

future.

Right.

Because the deficit was his number one issue for our kids and for our future.

And here's this guy just mortgaging $3.54 trillion.

to the next generation.

And oh, by the way, he's kicking them off their health care and not making sure there's food on the table or taking away their job or their student loans.

Who's

really

paying attention?

But he got his reassurance, his secretary, that down the road, they're gonna talk about it.

So that's all he needed.

That's all Senator Rojo needed

was, and life is

good, and he's been assured that we're gonna address this deficit now that's gonna hang around our necks for generations.

But yeah, it's all fine.

It's all fine.

We got about three minutes left with you, Secretary.

I would be remiss.

if I did not ask you about in a report in the Associated Press on your potential future plans.

Anything

you would like to share, Burhams?

I mean, I feel like there's all of this excitement happening right now in Wisconsin when we heard about Governor Evers retiring after two very successful terms here in the state of Wisconsin.

And I will say, look,

I have been so honored to serve six million people here in Wisconsin.

And I think what I'm just really doing now is trying to think through what that looks like for me.

So I will share with you all very, very soon.

But I think as like

You know, I was playing Fleetwood Mac last night, you know, that's on your own way.

I think

there's one thing people know about me in Wisconsin is I always go my own way, whether it's with the state treasurer or the secretary of state.

So we will figure this out and share it all with you very soon.

Appreciate that.

Whenever you want to make an announcement, you can come back to Matt and they're on air.

We will prepare the drum roll.

And we'll get everything ready.

We'll have a little, you know, fireworks, whatever you need.

If you want to make the announcement right here on Matt and air on air, just throwing that option out there.

I

love

it.

I love it.

As we said before, the, the, the, uh, event details will be in the show notes tonight.

And I wanted to say thank you for holding this town hall.

I think one of the most important things we've seen in recent times are.

as Jane said, elected officials who think that this isn't a necessary thing anymore because they don't want to be held accountable to us.

So to see our elected officials out there talking to people, taking in all the commentary, it's important.

So thank you very much.

Well, and we hope and we're so glad you guys are sharing the location and when and I hope to see some of your listeners there later tonight.

So

Secretary of State Sarah Gottluske has been our guest.

Thank you so very, very much.

Secretary really, really appreciate your time.

Of course, thanks for having me, and I hope to see you guys again soon.

Absolutely.

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You need a pet.

You didn't even know that, but you do.

I do.

You do, and we'll have all the details coming up.

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Our thanks again to Wisconsin Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi for joining us.

I'm going to go back.

I'm pretty sure she called herself a math or a numbers dork.

A numbers nerd.

Something like that.

I love it.

Sarah Godluschi, if you're still listening.

you're wonderful and just fantastic.

Thank you for being here.

Town Hall, Sarah Galuwski will be having tonight along with Congresswoman Gwen Moore.

Yes.

Here in Racine starts at six o'clock.

We will have all the details for that if you would like to attend.

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So check it out right there.

You need a pet.

I do.

Yes, Calvin

and everyone

listening right now.

You know, you do.

You need a pet.

This is from WPR, Wisconsin animal shelters experiencing an unprecedented number of pets surrenders.

Shelter operators say finances, the high cost of vet care are the leading reasons for surrendered pets.

which is heartbreaking.

Just heartbreaking.

We've talked numerous times to the Wisconsin Humane Society.

Hawes here in Waukesha County, Humane Animal Welfare Society of Waukesha County, we've talked to Matic, which is the Milwaukee Area Animal Domestic Control Commission.

They've been having overcrowding problems for months, months and months and months.

So if you are considering adopting please do so if you're considering fostering That's a really important element that I think a lot of folks might not be aware of and I think it's become a much bigger part of animal shelters If you can get a dog out of a shelter for a weekend.

Yeah, that can really help their well-being

To get away from all the chaos and the barking and the noise and the you know all of it.

Yeah, there's we went to So Bridget and I every Saturday we go to a local bar to have our weekly Bloody Mary and then afterwards we go to the Kenosha's Farmers Market, which is right next to the municipal building and there there is a A group that does they're called Mastro mutts

and they do rescues.

And we met a wonderful young woman named Donya who is a foster and her whole job, like her whole work with them, it's not a job she does it for free, but it's her life is taking these pets from them, giving them a home and then helping to find them a permanent, a forever home.

And it is something I've thought about.

Unfortunately, I don't feel like we have the time to do that.

That's important.

But also I think I would

adopt every single dog well there's there's always that danger there's that thing of you can foster I think I know I know for a fact that Matic has programs where you can take them home for the weekend exactly they're a good fit exactly but these these

Good little pets need homes and and these

agencies are hurting.

They really are.

They are the Washington County Humane Society experiencing a 16% increase in pet surrenders so far this year.

The Humane Animal Welfare Society of Waukesha County saw a 13% increase in dogs at 20.

percent increase in cats over the period of about a year.

So they're they're really hurting.

If you can't bring an animal into your home, if you cannot foster, check out their wish lists.

Yes, because you can help out that way as well.

They're always looking for dog food

and

blankets and certain toys

and

things like that.

So most of our animal shelters will again, either have wish lists on Amazon or but but will include a whole bunch of links.

two different shelters in our area.

If you are thinking about it, you can also always volunteer.

You can volunteer and Cassandra Cassandra, you've been on fire today and I'm loving it.

I'm here.

I'm here for the Cassandra fire show.

She says consider donating to cover the adoption fees too.

And that's something that I know that Maddox has done done sale does not sales.

I should say specials where they

greatly reduce adoption fees.

Sometimes they waive them completely.

And these dogs come to you.

I'm going to say dogs because that's what we look at.

But these pets come to you.

They come chipped.

They come vaccinated.

They come spayed and neutered.

Yes.

Those are expensive that expenses that I learned the hard way about with our dog.

And I'm not saying that I don't love having her.

She's the light of my life.

But you know, there are

benefits to getting a dog from a rescue and get some humane society.

And if you're ever up in Hayward, by the way, go to the great store, go to the, the, the humane society of Hayward's thrift store thrift shop.

It is gigantic.

It is lovely.

And so.

clean.

So clean.

So clean.

That was Jane's big takeaway.

Well,

but I've done, I've done a lot of thrifting

over

the years.

I started in college

and

sometimes you go into those stores and there is a very distinctive odor.

No, the one in Hayward run by, I think it's the Northwoods Humane Society.

It's pristine.

I bought, in fact, if you follow me on the Twitter or the Facebook or the social media, I will take pictures and post what I actually bought at the Northwoods Humane Society.

Got some treasures.

I got some treasures.

So, yeah, get out there and if you can't adopt Foster, if you can't Foster, at least.

Consider

making a donation or potentially volunteering.

This, unfortunately, I think is going to continue to be a problem.

We are having more and more hedge funds buy up veterinary.

Is that why that's happening?

That's part of the reason why.

Why that services are becoming so much more expensive is because

Venture capitalists are looking for a way to make more money.

So again, we will include this all in the show notes.

It's one of our big things here on Matt and air on air.

We do love our pets.

I'm going to become a billionaire, Jane.

I'm going to buy a veterinarian place and I'm just going to say it's free for everybody.

I'll take it on the

chin.

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