Thems Are A Lot Of Nickels (Hour 1)

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Civic Media News director Shaly Pittman joining us after the 9.30 news.

Of course, Governor Evers announcing last week he will not seek a third term.

We have two names.

One is in, another one is expected to jump in, but there's some other people in the background yet that we are expecting to make announcements, so Shallie will be talking about that along with many other things related to state politics in Wisconsin.

Oh, we're number two.

He is the new chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

Devon Remaker is gonna join us.

Looking forward to this.

Haven't had a chance to talk to him yet, since he slid into the spot that was held by Ben Wickler very successfully for a long time.

So we will talk to Devon Remaker and find out what his vision is going forward.

We have some important elections coming up.

Just a few.

Just several hundred.

It's fine.

It's all gonna be fine.

At 1030,

Friday's Audio Sorbet was about losing your car in a parking lot or a parking ramp.

And you thought you were the only one?

I was really relieved to know I was not the only one.

And then we had an email come in that came in just after the show.

It's kind of an addendum to the earlier Audio Sorbet.

So we're going to do an update with that.

And again, I know there are more stories out there, but people have lost their cars.

Yes,

just like Wisconsin Jane, you're among friends.

I'm among friends, exactly.

So if you would like to share your story about losing your vehicle, parking romp, parking garage, maybe just on your block, I don't know what happens.

Yeah.

Happens I left it somewhere.

I left it somewhere a moment ago.

My car was right there and you're like nope It's parked over

there.

That's coming up after 10 35 and then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing today.

It's the extra padding edition It's a good one stick around for that.

I wanted to congratulate I saw this on the text line over the weekend because we do I I check the text line over the weekend because I'm nosy yeah

You want to know what's going on?

You want to know the haps?

The haps?

What are the haps?

What's the skinny?

Shout out to Jim from Brookfield.

Jim and his wife picked up those tickets for Wednesday's game as part of Free Ticket Friday.

Yep, so Jim from Brookfield and his wife got those tickets.

Brewers club level seat tickets for Wednesday's game when the Brewers host the Cubby should be a really good game.

Jim, if you're going, I'm sure you're going going with friends.

Take a picture, take some pictures and text them to us via the Civic Media app.

That's the great thing about the app is you can call us, text us, leave a voice note and you can send us those pictures if you about with your seats and the fun you're having because we'd love to know.

And if you are a Brewers fan right now, this is going to be an anxiety written series because.

The Brewers didn't do so hot this weekend.

And they lost their lead in first place.

So it's like neck and neck.

And it's neck and neck between first and second place of the Central Division.

So it's going to be crazy.

And when the Cubs fans are in town, it's always an extra layer of awesome.

I'm taking a different approach to this.

I think the Brewers intentionally held back over the weekend because they're saving up their good stuff for this series against the Cubs.

That's what I am choosing to look at this.

Your conspiracy theories are weird.

And we're going to get the conspiracy theories to a little bit later on.

But I wanted to start off with this.

And this is from WPR.

Greg and I were talking about this off the air from a Korean has has the byline UW extensions, food wise nutrition education program, shutting down after federal funds eliminated or the 90 people now losing their jobs with the 30 year old program.

We were told that there were not going to be any nutritional cuts There would be no cuts to snap no cuts to all of these things.

Well, this is kind of this This educational thing is part of all of those.

It's

referred to as

snap ed.

Yeah, right the national education and obesity prevention grant program their funding ends at the end of September for more than three decades this program called food wise has been providing people with nutrition education

community-based strategies to support healthy eating, because we've talked about this a lot.

It's much easier to do things in advance to protect your health rather than wait until you get sick.

Proactive is always better.

Proactive is better than reactive.

So this program has been reaching over 133,000 people.

It's been a big help across the state.

and it is tied into other programs like Food Right, Hunger Task Force, which is a huge, huge program here in southeastern Wisconsin, and I've talked to them numerous times over the decades.

The need for assistance isn't going down.

No.

No.

It's

not.

No.

The the need isn't going down one in seven people will struggle with finding the right nutrition many of those people and that's Children and elderly elderly people and it is it is baffling to me that this program would be cut or I'm sorry Let me refer to that.

It's baffling to me that the funding to this program would be cut These are jobs.

This is a good service.

This has to do a snap

And, I mean, what it makes me think of immediately, and I can't think of the exact name and the acronym, is the program which paid farmers to grow food and then take that food to local food banks.

That funding was also cut.

I don't understand how this makes any sense.

This does nothing but good for the people.

It helps people, and they said,

Nah.

Yeah, we don't have the money for that.

Food Right educates more than 1200 MPS students on how to cook and appreciate affordable whole food plant-based meals.

There's a lot of just basic nutritional stuff that a lot of us don't have.

Yes.

And could use a little education about.

Yeah.

I have access to food.

I have the ability to go to the grocery store right now.

I could use this program.

Right.

This is not just about, honestly, these programs aren't just about helping those who suffer with food insecurity or getting nutritious meals.

It's an educational program that can help us all as far as making the best meals possible to stay healthy.

So yeah, this is another thing that's the victim of the big bill for billionaires.

And exactly so because in a...

A statement released by Tammy Baldwin, Gwen Moore, Mark Pocan and Tony Evers.

They said, sadly, we are watching vital resources that Wisconsin families rely on to stay healthy and help put food on their table being stripped away.

Also Republicans in Congress and President Trump can give out tech breaks to the wealthy.

And that's what it is.

Pretty much never forget that, too.

This is not this is.

There is no version of cutting this program or the farming program or anything else that deals with nutrition or helping people find food that is Those cuts can't be spun as patriotic Helping America making America great again.

No, none of those things.

It's it's because they have to find the money They so desperately need it because doge didn't do the job.

Yeah

They need to find the money.

And so they're just going to cut everything.

And they're going to cut it from the people who have the least amount of power and the least amount of voice.

Absolutely.

And the ones who need it the most.

Yeah.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh,

I know you're not wrong.

Derek Van Orden.

Yes.

Who sits on the Agriculture Committee.

Correct.

The

Congressman of the Third District.

Yeah.

He took great issue when this came up months ago.

Yeah.

that these cuts were going to be affecting the SNAP program and associated programs.

And as he always does, Derek Van Orden remained calm, completely composed, professional.

When this came up, I believe there is a clip, Calvin, from Derek Van Orden talking about cuts to SNAP.

Can we play that well-composed clip from Mr. Van Orden, please?

No problem.

We're talking about an article in WPR this morning about UW Extension's food-wise nutrition education program is being cut.

And this affects hunger task force, a whole bunch of other programs that are tied into this.

All right, now we have that clip ready from Derek Van Orden talking about cuts to SNAP.

Let's hear it, please.

I want to clear the air.

And I'm going to dispel some things.

If you're receiving

benefits from the federal government, lawfully, as an American citizen, your benefits are not going to be reduced by a nickel.

If you're an American citizen that is lawfully receiving benefits from the federal government, your benefits will not be reduced by a nickel.

Write that down.

I was raised in abject rural poverty by a single mother.

We're on welfare food stamps, we had a stamp, stick it on a card, go to the grocery store.

I had subsidized lunches and government cheese.

I was the hungry child that my colleagues are talking about, okay?

Things have changed.

And the same people that told you during the last budgetary cycle that Republicans are gonna cut Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, WIC, SNAP, they lied to

you.

They lied.

Openly to the American public.

What do they do the same people that lied to you?

Okay, and our fear mongering with hungry children And those most in need in our country

and it's

unacceptable and it's despicable.

Please don't not

yell

This should be a nonpartisan committee.

They're lying.

He

yelled I'm over

it.

Okay.

Stop it.

I always love how when he gets revved up his final words are always something very like knock it off

Just siap it That is Derek van Orton sitting in front of a group of people on video lying to you lying through his teeth Lying lying lying about snap wick medicare medicaid and social security They're all being cut and because of those cuts that he voted for three times Snap benefits are being cut and because of that this program is being cut and you grew up in rural abject poverty should know better

Why are you not the first person in the front line fighting for them to have these benefits?

And while we can't afford nutritional programs, you know what we can't afford?

What, Jane?

You know what's in that big budget for billionaires?

What's that?

$45 million for that statue of heroes.

Oh, boy, can't wait.

They managed to keep that in the budget because that's really important.

Do you know what we had money for, Jane?

What?

$45 million as well for a parade.

A big birthday parade.

And we also had another $10 million.

So the president of our country could go golfing over the weekend in Scotland.

And

cheat.

And cheat.

And

while the others video that too, that's a whole nother.

You don't even have time to go down that road.

I'm never going to let up on this because, you know, look, he's a Republican.

That doesn't mean he's.

I don't disagree with him because he's a Republican.

I disagree with him because he's doing terrible things and lying about it.

He is not helping the people.

He says he's going to help.

He sits on the egg committee.

The Farm Bill is two years behind.

He does nothing to help anybody.

And when you ask him a question, he gets angry.

And there is video proof on many occasions of him not being able to handle being questioned, because he doesn't like his authority question.

Well, guess what, folks?

He voted three times to cut funding for all of these programs, which he said specifically SNAP would not go down, quote,

a nickel.

Troy and Monhorib just texted in listening on WLAK.

Van Orden is right, they aren't being reduced by a nickel, but by lots and lots and lots of nickels.

And Casper and Madison also texting and also tax cuts for billionaires.

Yep, we got money for that.

Oh yeah.

And $45 million for a statue, a garden of heroes.

But hungry kids, yeah, well.

Going to fields.

There's things to pick kids.

Come on.

Where's your motivation when we return?

He's still dead and he's still being a pain in the neck That's all on the way.

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Of course, Governor Evers announcing last week he will not be seeking

a third term.

And we do know at least one person, Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez has already announced that she's in the race.

We are highly expecting Milwaukee County Executive, David Crawley to announce in the next couple of weeks.

But we will talk about others who might also be joining the field and on the Republican side as well, because we have a couple of candidates now who have already announced.

Gene from Eau Claire is on the line.

Good morning, Gene.

Thanks for joining us.

What's up?

Hi, I think.

Thank you for getting the information out to the people on our side.

You know, um, that guy, Van Orden is a bully.

Yes.

He is not being paid to bully his constituents.

He's there to work for him.

And I am sick of that guy.

And God darn it.

Everybody in our area needs to get and vote that son of a gun out because he is a bully.

He thinks he orders things and you have to listen.

I'm sick of that kind of.

of representation and guys get ready to vote for the candidate that you want to fill his position.

And that's all I got.

Gene, hang on for a second.

Gene, hang on for just one second, because I'm curious, because you live in that area, you live in Western Wisconsin.

Are other folks as tired of DVO as you are?

Or are they just unaware of the stuff that he pulls?

I think a lot of them are unaware of the stuff that he pulls because he goes on TV, he sends his own clips to the television for the news, all the stuff that he's doing, and whenever stuff comes out about him, they always have a response, and it's just sickening.

Keep up the honesty and integrity because people can't put up with this kind of stuff anymore.

We're going to, you know, wearing a handbasket.

So thanks, guys.

Thank you very much for the work you do.

Keep working.

Thanks so much, Jean.

Really appreciate it.

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We don't have a lot of time to spend on this, but it's just because he won't go away.

As much as Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and the President of the United States, Donald Trump and all these other Republicans would really just like Jeffrey Epstein to stay dead and go away.

He's not going away.

No.

When Donald Trump landed in Scotland over the weekend, this was among the first questions he was asked.

Mike Johnson, of course, the Speaker of the House, adjourning the House a day early in order to avoid a vote on bringing a vote up that would require the release of the Epstein files.

Even though two CBS mornings he did say to

the interviewer that he believes in transparency.

We need to know about these.

We need to know about what's going on.

And

justice must be sought for those who are surviving this terrible, terrible thing.

Mike Johnson

said that.

Mike

Johnson that

we played a clip.

And then he said he knows nothing about it.

I know nothing.

I've never seen the report.

He's only the third most powerful guy in the United

States.

Not his lane.

No, not his lane.

There was something that happened over the weekend that really jumped out at me that I think is worth highlighting.

We have a clip from Jake Tapper interviewing Mark Wayne Mullen over the weekend and the Epstein report came up.

Calvin, play that clip, please.

But remember there was a plea deal that was struck in 2009.

Yes way before I was in office way before Trump is even considering to be in office way before Pam Bonnie was office way before cash for tell was director 2009 there was a sweetheart plea deal that was made underneath the Obama administration No,

it's not

no, it's not

and that that sweetheart has not been exposed.

No, it was 2000 not well when I was

third It was 2008.

Yeah, it was the US attorney at the time was a guy named Alex Acosta

He was a Bush appointee.

He went on to become President Trump's Secretary of Labor.

It all took place in 2008.

Who was in

office at the time?

2008, George W. Bush.

Who was in

office at the time?

George W. Bush.

No, 2009 is when the case came out

and

it was in,

and

Obama was in office at the time.

It's not true.

But let me ask you a question.

That's enough.

Yeah.

Sorry, Mark Wayne, you're wrong.

Yeah.

And Alex Acosta, I don't understand why we're not subpoenaing Alex Acosta.

who again is the one who gave Jeffrey Epstein that remarkably lenient deal in 2008.

Incredibly lenient deal.

2008 when he was

the U.S.

Attorney

under George W. Bush.

Under George W. Bush, yes.

And then Alex Acosta went on to join the Trump administration.

Epstein was arrested.

under the Trump administration, Bill Barr, the attorney general under Donald Trump, is the one who searched all of Epstein's properties.

Why aren't we subpoenaing him?

Well, are we

subpoenaing?

That's a really hard word to say.

That

might not even be a word.

Why have we not subpoenaed anyone?

I don't feel like we are doing that for anyone right now.

I feel like they're closing down shop.

They're leaving.

They're not coming back until September,

folks.

They really want us to forget about this.

And I beg it.

the MAGA listeners who are listening to us right now cursing our names and calling me names.

I know you do.

Don't let up on this.

I know this was a concern of yours.

And I said last week, liberals, Democrats, independents, we agree.

We got your back on this one.

Don't let up the fight.

We're here to fight with you on this matter.

We can come together on this, that at least we should know whose names are on that list, regardless

of party.

And then this morning,

This happened 23 minutes ago.

This is on Twitter.

Donald Trump in Scotland.

Trump on Epstein, quote, I never went to the island.

Bill Clinton went there supposedly 28 times.

I never had the privilege of going to the island, unquote.

What a privilege.

What a privilege.

No thanks.

We have news coming up next.

When we return, Civic Media's news director, Shali Pittman, will be joining us.

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Just to take a breathing break little cleansing for your brain Audio sorbet coming up next hour, and we're gonna have a audio soup a follow-up from Friday Our guest is shali pitman she civic media's news director and you were with us last week shali when we had our all-host meeting in Madison and After our meeting was done.

I couldn't find my car in that parking lot for 40 minutes

I'm

not surprised it took me a month to figure that out.

Thank you.

I told you you weren't I Charlie We will get to the important news of the day But let's talk about something even more important the fact that Jane for a moment thought that she was the only person on earth who had ever done this and

I feel like you think that no one's been to the airport before.

It's

challenging because there are multiple entrances and exits and they don't they don't line up.

Yes.

You lose what level of the parking garage you're on.

I completely understand and I will say that the parking garage is actually a great hangout right outside the civic media offices.

I like to sit out there and do work.

Well, next time I'm trapped in there, I'll just keep shouting to that area and hopefully someone

will hear me.

I'm using my key fob and the sound is bouncing all over the walls anyway.

So we had a follow-up

email that

came in after we did Audio Sorbet last Friday.

This is involving a snowstorm and a vehicle.

So, we'll do a little update with that.

It's good.

Audio Sorbet, the addendums edition.

The addendum

edition.

Right now, though, we're going to put, yes, our attention back on actually important things happening in the world.

That's why Shali is here.

Big news, of course, last week Shali was Governor Evers announcing he is not seeking a third term.

We do know that Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez had a really strong video, I thought, coming out of the gate.

Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley has also hinted that he will be formally announcing in the next couple of weeks.

Where are we with some other potential Democrats entering this race?

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

There's been a lot of turnaround in the last, what, five days?

So Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez, a day after Governor Tony Evers announced he won't be running for a third term, did come out with this kind of punchy video where she gave her life story in about three minutes.

Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley also

said he would be taking steps toward entering the race for governor.

He said in a press release, the stakes are simply too high to sit on the sidelines.

But there are many other people considering a run.

If you remember when Governor Evers first ran for office, there were what, 10 people on the ballot for Democratic?

I

had forgotten that there were that many, but yeah, there was a whole bunch of them.

Yeah.

Including where I am, former Madison mayor, Paul Soglin.

So that was interesting.

You know, I haven't called Paul, so maybe I should.

There are, though, many other folks probably considering a run who we have some development on that I hope to share with you.

So in the category of folks who haven't declared but are widely assumed to be running is State Senator Kelder Royce.

I called her up last week.

I want to say it was Thursday.

Can't quite remember sometimes last week.

Yeah, it is wibbly wobbly timey-wimey stuff.

So And so if it's okay if you have the clips she I asked her what what she thought of the governor's announcement and and where she was so we can go ahead and play that

Kevin you got that clip

here we go

My overwhelming feeling is just gratitude for Governor Evers for not just his two terms of service as a governor, but his lifelong service to the state as an educator.

And I think at a time when so much of our political culture is about cruelty and then the chaos and corruption that we see out of Washington, it's just been very reassuring to have such a steady, calm, kind person leading our state.

I

mean, all right.

And then, and then I asked her the million dollar question, right?

Are you considering a run?

And here's what she told me.

There have been kind of dribs and drubs of her appearing in the media.

So, but here's what she told me.

Well, I've been, you know, very flattered and appreciate all the folks who are reaching out to me and urging me to run for governor.

It's certainly something that I'm seriously considering.

But what I can say for sure is that I am going to continue spending the next year and a half traveling around the state, talking with voters and doing everything in my power to make sure that we have a Democratic governor and a Democratic legislature in 2026.

Non-answer.

Wait.

Not answer, but her on record saying it.

So I had the tape and wanted you to use it.

Also consider possibly considering a run.

State Senator Chris Larson in the kind of lawmakers camp, which we also saw in in 2018 when folks are running some state senators stepped up.

The list, though, of possible contenders is long.

We have Mandela Barnes, former Lieutenant Governor.

We have Serak Oblusky, Ben Wickler, although he's writing.

book, Tom Nelson.

So we have a bunch of names, but you know,

This is all really to say, we just have to hurry up and wait for the next year plus.

Another contender though is Attorney General Josh Call.

He also hasn't announced, but I did see him at the state capitol on Friday during a press conference on something wholly unrelated or maybe not.

But here's what he told a scrum of reporters who descended on him outside the assembly parlor.

No comments or no announcements today but what I can say is first of all the governor just made this announcement yesterday and I do think it's important that we take a bit of time to reflect on the significance.

of the last six and a half years in Wisconsin.

When Governor Evers took office, our state was moving in a very different direction with attacks on workers' rights, attacks on teachers.

And that has fundamentally shifted over the past six and a half years.

And I've been proud to work with Governor Evers on a number of different issues.

And you can see the progress we've made on things like fighting the opioid epidemic, where we've now helped secure over $800 million that's going to go to fight that

epidemic.

We've worked to restore access to safe and legal.

abortion in the state of Wisconsin.

We have fair maps in Wisconsin and there are so many other important changes.

We're also dealing with a federal administration right now that is trying to dismantle opportunity and personal security for people across the country.

So I look forward to continuing to work with Governor Evers in the year and a half ahead as we work to stand up for the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

But if you're just joining us, we are talking to civic media's news director, Shaly Pittman about all the, all the breaking news from the past few days, especially over the weekend, we always miss the big news over the weekend.

And that was a current Wisconsin attorney general, Josh Cole, making no comment, but then making a lot of comments.

That one, I think it's funny.

He's like, it just happened.

Like, well, Sarah, Sarah Rodriguez didn't wait.

Why can't you all not wait?

But yes, that was a very.

Answer, non-answer.

Well, and with all due respect to Attorney General Kahl, yes, he just announced it.

We need some time to reflect on his wonderful, oh, give me a break.

There's things going on behind the scenes with all of these folks.

It's not like we need to take a week and just reflect on all the wonderfulness of Governor Evers.

Come

on.

But for you, Shelley, like this, now it's just the beginning, I imagine, of that.

If there were what, you said 10 people in the last time,

I imagine...

How many I think on

the ballot.

Yeah, or

even more who later dropped out.

Yeah

before before the primary I want to take a second though to dissect that response from the the Attorney General for someone who hasn't announced to run He did mention several items that are part of Tony Evers record for sure But that the Attorney General also had a hand in lawsuits recouping money from opioid manufacturers and distributors

abortion, we've certainly seen in the last couple of months, right?

Press conferences and rulings from the state Supreme Court.

So, you know, perhaps those were strategic things to mention, but that's the news of where we are.

Meanwhile, on the other side, right?

On the Republican side.

Right.

We have at least two folks who are definitely in the race.

You guys know Bill Barion and Josh Shulman.

However, we got some news yesterday that after some cryptic tweets that involved a 45 to 47 on the side of a hat, a parent allusion to the Trump presidency or the number of governors in the state or

The number 47 appears on the side of a lot of hats.

Anyway, Scott Walker, former governor of Wisconsin, announced that he won't run again in 2026, at least.

He said he wanted to focus on the YAF and that he didn't rule out a run ever completely in the future, but at least not for 2026.

Well,

Scott Walker is a relatively young man.

late 40s, early 50s.

So he's got time, certainly.

He just misses people talking about him.

I think he really really misses being in the public eye.

He's 57.

Oh, he's 57 But he's always any making like $800,000 a year is the head of the young young Republicans group that he leads

I

make it pretty good bank in that job

He's making private sector money, which is old but a lot of politicians do in this situation, but it is interesting to see That he has made that clear to everyone that he's not going to be running and if not, I'm not mistaken even though they were brought up into the mix

neither Eric Huvde nor Tim Michaels have said yes or no to a run for the governor as well.

Are you hearing any rumors about that, Shelley?

As far as Huvde or Michaels, jumping

back in here.

Just like in the Democratic primary, who knows what is going on and what conversations are going on behind closed doors.

We also have Congressman Tom Tiffany potentially.

feeling out of run.

He came out with

something on Twitter this morning talking about how Wisconsin's energy costs are too high.

So here I'm feeling like he's trying to craft his message.

Should he

decide to jump in?

Was he the one who also posted a fish photo?

That was Tom Tiff.

Yes, one other website said, from now on, everyone who wants to run for governor of Wisconsin must show themselves holding a fish, which Tom Tiffany responded with a picture of him.

uh, ice fishing, holding a fish.

And then I immediately thought, well, isn't that, isn't that infringement on branding for Eric Hovde who loves to sit in lakes?

You know, this is all lick adjacent for these people.

Tony on the live stream makes two very important comments.

Um, he says, I don't, I doubt Tom will run, but I very much, and it'd be a very uphill battle, but I like Tom Nelson believes him unions, workers, rights, love it.

He is a gentleman who's always been in the mix here and there, uh, but it's never really made that push and something even more important.

He said, and it's true.

I noticed, I noticed Greg hasn't, well, hold on here.

This is more of a joke here.

Well, now it won't just load.

There we go.

I noticed Greg hasn't said no to his run for governor.

That's right.

Are you just holding out until a very, very last minute?

I'm deciding whether or not I

want to be Republican or Democrat.

It depends on where the money comes from.

But this, I mean, it's going to be very... We're starting, folks.

We've started.

I would just like the idea of a candidate coming out and saying, who's going to pay me more?

Yeah, that's the way I'll vote.

I appreciate

it.

Let's just be honest.

Let's just let's full disclose.

Just buy me.

Just buy.

I'll wear your patch.

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Shallie Pittman is here to break down all the news we might have missed.

over the weekend, and there's always lots of stuff going on.

And this Shelly, I think, is really important.

This missing, this new task force for missing and murdered African American women, the statistics are really pretty shocking.

Staggering.

Wisconsin has the most disparity across the country, according to a study for black women, black women aged 25 to 44 years old, according to a study in the Lancet, were 20 times more likely to be killed than white women.

And those are some of the statistics that were raised at a press conference last Friday.

happy to answer questions if you want me to dive right into it.

But Dane County Representative Sheila Stubbs has introduced similar legislation before to create a missing and murdered African-American women task force.

It hasn't gotten traction.

It hasn't passed outside the legislature for a variety of reasons.

She described the battle to get

this past last session when it came the closest.

It didn't come out of committee and then she had to get it reassigned and then it was never taken up for a vote in, I believe, the Senate.

This task force would analyze the issue, take a look at why black women and girls in Wisconsin have these disparities both being killed and

Disappearing yeah disappearing exactly and at the press conference at the Capitol on Friday there were posters of Women who had been missing or killed including as we'll get to the mother of Shade Robinson was was also there and spoke but

This task force doesn't necessarily need the legislature, and I think that's a little bit of a nuance that's interesting.

The Attorney General, Josh Call, whom we were just talking about, doesn't need the permission of the legislature to create his own task force.

But he was asked about why go through this process, and he had two responses.

One being, look, we want the state legislature to be part and parcel of

finding solutions to this crisis, and we want to be funded.

We need money

for

one person in the State Department of Justice to coordinate this task force, to track down testimony, to get 17 members in a room, and to help prepare a report.

So that's where we are.

But as I said, there are...

was very powerful personal testimony from a number of affected family members.

I want to highlight Sheena Scarborough.

She's the mother of Shade Robinson who was killed last year and dismembered.

And she spoke, you know, this case received high national attention, was very high profile.

The person convicted of killing her is facing a sentencing this Friday.

Maybe we focus too much on the trial and not the systemic solutions out of that.

And so let's hear from Sheena Scarabar, the mother of Shade Robinson, after maybe some of that media coverage has ebbed.

You know, there weren't many other supports during this time.

I didn't really have anyone to guide me through how to...

even understand what I'm going through.

I've never even been arrested before.

We've never dealt with the law system.

We've never dealt with law enforcement.

It's been so severe all across and it takes every layer of both ends of the table.

It doesn't matter what your race is.

It doesn't matter if you are...

You know, Republican, Democrat, religion.

It doesn't matter.

These are our babies.

This was my daughter.

She was a granddaughter.

She was a sister.

She had her whole life ahead of her.

My angel worked two jobs.

She had her own apartment.

She is just graduating from Milwaukee Area Technical College.

She had just received her Associate of Arts degree.

My youngest daughter had to walk in her honor.

So many things have been taken from us.

She was taken away weeks before her 20th birthday.

We had so many plans and so many things to do.

I've worked so hard to raise two beautiful, intelligent daughters.

And we have done nothing but put out and put out good into the universe, helping others, being advocates, and then for somebody to come and tragically take your child in the worst way is the worst nightmare anyone can imagine.

That's the mother of Shade Robinson, who again was murdered and dismembered last year in Milwaukee.

And I would have to think too, Shallie, one of the reasons why this case got so much attention is because of the horrific nature of this case.

Yeah.

And Sheena Scarborough described the amount of support she got from the community and from her family, but maybe a lack of infrastructural support.

And that was a theme that other speakers hit on, including Tanisha Howard, the mother of Janiah Walker.

And yeah, they're all, despite these horrible tragedies showing up to advocate for a task force to prevent these things in the future.

You can find...

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Good morning, Devin, congratulations.

Thank you, and thank you for having me on.

I'm excited to be

here.

Absolutely lots of things going on.

Of course, Governor Evers announcing last week he is not seeking a third term.

We know that Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez has already entered the race.

Rumors that Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley will be the next one to throw a hat in, but we are expecting numerous others.

How does the party handle this going forward?

How does the state party handle this going forward?

With neutrality.

is the simple answer.

So the state party doesn't have a favorite, isn't going to support any specific candidate in the race.

Ultimately, we will make sure that we abide by the neutrality required by our state party's constitution.

And also, I think, is in the best interest of producing a nominee that folks can rally behind once the primary is over and march on toward the general election.

So I really am looking forward to seeing how the candidates who are already

talked about, some that may come out still, you know, engage with voters and present a vision for the future, for the party and for the state of Wisconsin.

I'm curious as far as when someone is going in to take over this job as the head of the Wisconsin, the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, one of your biggest roles, correct me if I'm wrong, is fundraising.

That's got to be exhausting.

I just think it must be exhausting.

Well...

I actually enjoy it.

So here's why.

When I was in college, I worked at Sears.

I sold appliances, you know, fridges, ovens, washers, dryers, whole nine yards.

And really what it was and what sales boils down to.

And I think what fundraising boils down to is helping identify a problem, you know, the change that people want to see in the world and then sort of presenting the solution, which is for a lot of folks, the work that we do at the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and helping

folks plug into the change that we are making that aligns with their own values and what they want to see in the world.

That actually gives me a lot of energy.

I enjoy it.

you know, dove right in to the fundraising component of this job, in addition to all the other things that come with being chair of the party.

But genuinely, I do enjoy it.

And I think that there are so many people that are eager to see change in this state and across this country.

And I think being able to engage with more of them over the past month and a half has really been a pleasure.

In the first time, it's been about a month now since you took over.

What are the things you're doing now to establish your new leadership, talking to the standard bearers of the party, as well as just the people of Wisconsin throughout the state?

What are the first steps you make as the new head of the party?

So we have a lot of work to do here in Wisconsin, right?

And I think that part of that is building on the infrastructure that we already have at the Democratic Party year round, organizing, communication, fundraising.

Yes, a really big part of that to make sure all that work can continue.

But I do want to build upon the foundation that our former chair, Ben Wickler, laid down and make sure that in addition to traditional organizing, we are looking at new ways to communicate with voters.

I think that knocking on doors is fantastic.

It's something that we're going to keep doing.

But we also need to make sure that we are in their social media feeds, in their text inboxes.

And we're showing up at community events.

So one thing that I am really focused on is raising the resources to stand up a 72-county strategy program, where we essentially really engage with our party units and with local activists on the ground in every county in the state to make sure that in this moment in time in which there is immense energy.

all over the state that we're able to harness it and let folks know if they're taking action for the first time through a group like Indivisible or 5051 that, hey, we're on the same side.

We're fighting for the same thing.

We're fighting for the same change.

And make sure that they know that they also have a home here with the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

So I think that's sort of a new program that I'm hoping to stand up in addition to being able to talk a little bit more about my

upbringing and background, coming from a working class family and growing up in a working class community, and trying to sort of convey a message of possibility and optimism, but also as a bit of an antidote to Trumpism, where Trump has made major headway in communities like the one I grew up in.

And I think just a little more firmly ingrained in that in our messaging and what I bring to the chair role has been a focus of mine in the first month

and a half.

If you're just joining us, Devin Remaker is our guest.

He's the new chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.

taking over for Ben Wickler.

I know that one of Ben Wickler's big focuses was on the ground game.

Devin, you know, with the door knocking and all those things, but I think you bring up something very important is the right has been very good at utilizing online communications.

Absolutely.

Yes, they have.

They had a very intentional strategy.

And now I think that strategy is kind of being aided and abetted by some of these Silicon Valley billionaires that went groveling to the Trump administration as soon as he was elected.

And I think that in some ways the deck is a little stacked against us.

But that doesn't mean that we should step back and disengage, whether we like it or not.

folks are getting more of their news, more of their information online.

And there's also more flooding it than ever before.

And I think that if we want to remain competitive, it has to be in all of the above strategy.

It has to be doors, it has to be phones, it has to be community events, it has to be Facebook feeds.

We have to remain competitive and we have to find messengers that actually reach people, it can break through all of the noise.

One of the advantages that I think that the Republicans have though, Devin, and there was a story about this a couple of months ago,

The message is decided upon.

It goes out to Fox and all the right wing influencers.

They have a whole machine built.

They send one message out and it gets disseminated in 400 different ways.

Do the Democrats have anything like that in place?

We're working on improving our messaging infrastructure to help

not only get a message out, but make that message resonate locally.

And I think that one way that we can sort of, you know, take down Goliath here and their giant sort of machine to be able to get their message out is by making our message more resonant and more engaging than their own.

And I think that a way that we do that is by localizing and individualizing it so that in each county or each city, folks have the information about how the things like the big awful budget are impacting them, right?

If you're in the third congressional district, you

can know that Derek Van Orden's vote for that bill, 30,000 people in his district could potentially lose their health care.

30,000 people could potentially lose their food assistance as well.

Within his own district, there is a rural hospital in Osio that is on the chopping block.

It is one of those hospitals, right?

And I think that a way that you can sort of, you know, beat the system, which the Democratic Party of Wisconsin is really prides itself on doing this, figuring out creative ways to overcome the odds is to just

use our message that is more engaging, more localized with messengers that actually break through to people, even if we don't own a cable news station.

Because you mentioned Derek Van Orden's district in the western part of Wisconsin, we did have a text come in a little bit earlier from Curt Nocler, who says the people that support DVO in this area think he's doing a very good job.

I saw an ad on Facebook over the weekend, huge thanking Derek Van Orden for cutting taxes in Wisconsin.

I don't see much being put out by the Democrats.

telling us what they're doing or saying, they need to get their act together.

As a senior citizen, I would like to see DVO gone.

We have heard from other listeners, Devin, in particularly Western Wisconsin, because of their media landscape, they get a lot of their stuff from TV in Minneapolis.

And so they're kind of an information desert, essentially.

So we have heard more calls about

Spend some more money in District 3 because we're not getting all the information.

Absolutely.

And, you know, the Throne Congressional District is a little quirky in that regard.

I worked for Congressman Kine for four years, so I know it quite well.

You actually have four media markets.

You have Warsaw, Rhinelander, Minneapolis, La Crosse, Eau Claire, and then a splash of Madison in the southwestern portion of the district.

So it could be really difficult to communicate in traditional ways.

But, you know, something that we did last week was we held a town hall in the city of La Crosse.

You know, Derek Van Orden, despite the fact he took the time to tweet 75 times and his

and basically on a Twitter Bender.

Well, I don't know when he started.

He's been on it for a while, but he really ramped it up after he voted for this budget.

Yet he still won't just hold a town hall.

You know,

he is screwing his constituents and won't even look him in the eye after he does it or before he did it.

And I think that's just a disgrace.

I mean, when I worked for Congressman Ron kind, he made it a point to go to every county, every single year to have a listening session with folks.

This guy's too much of a coward to leave a safe space down in Prairie Duchenne to come up anywhere else in the district.

This not only was a way for folks to be able to express their feelings about his betrayal, but it also helped get our message out.

And I think that we have to be a little bit scrappier, especially in a district like the third, because we don't have the resources to be up everywhere year round in a place like that when you're covering four markets.

But if we show up and we can get people excited and engaged and capture the press's attention with an event like our town hall, that does help get our message out.

And I look forward to figuring out what else we can do to hold them accountable.

I promise, Kurt, you know, Claire, we are going to stick it to Derek Van Orden now through election day.

And going back to the 72 County strategy,

One of the things that's been very beneficial for the Democratic Party and Democrats and people of Wisconsin, I believe, is gaining more seats in the Assembly and the state Senate and moving forward.

And we see a lot of energy coming from those who want to run and those who are excited about what fair maps have brought the state.

Devin, can you speak more about the state Senate runs, the strategy that you have going forward for at least the next cycle?

We have tremendous opportunity.

in 2026.

This is the first time in a long time that we have the opportunity to win a trifecta to retain the governorship.

win the Senate and win the Assembly.

And I am bullish on both the Senate and the Assembly.

I think that we are in the process of having candidates emerge that are going to be incredibly strong in a variety of districts in both chambers.

And at the end of the day, I think that the sort of betrayal of their constituents, a theme that I was hitting on with Derek Van Norton, is true of these folks as well.

If you want to look at...

Howard Markline, trying to gut education funding, especially for rural schools.

His community has a lot of them.

Rural schools are the beating heart of many communities.

Absolutely.

It is the gathering place.

It is where people go to find community.

And many of them are already facing difficult decisions about cutting sports programs, about cutting band, about consolidating districts, and all of a sudden you have bus routes that take over an hour to get kids to and from school.

I think that we need to hold them accountable on that.

You have Rob Hutton in the Senate as well, who was part of the Foxconn Boondoggle, giving them $4.5 billion in subsidies to

basically plow a field and build a facility that didn't do anything.

And thankfully, Governor Evers was able to make something out of nothing.

deliver a fantastic deal with Microsoft.

But I think that, you know, their sort of track record is going to really come back to bite them now that they are actually being held accountable to their voters.

And I think that it's just a little unique for the Senate in some ways, because these folks may not have been up before, right, because it's staggered every two years.

But also in the Assembly, I think that Robin Voss may be in for a bit of a surprise with just how far down his list he needs to go to defend his incumbents.

We're not just going to focus on

the seats that get a majority.

I think we can reach deep in 2026 and hopefully have a by a resounding vote with a margin to spare.

Speaker Greta Neubauer and a Senate leader, Diane Hesselman.

Devin, can you stay with us for another segment or do you have to go?

I can stay.

Wonderful.

We're going to continue our conversation with the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.

Devin Remaker is our guest.

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He is the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, Devin Remaker.

Good enough to give us and stick around for another segment.

Thank you for your time, Devin.

I'm sure you have several other things you need to get to, but I wanted to talk a little bit in the time that we have, and we hear from listeners around the state who live in very red counties, Wisconsin.

in his 72 counties.

What do I do if I'm a blue dot swimming in a sea of red?

Is there who do I reach out to if I would like to get to talk to someone in the Democratic Party because we're in the Democrats are in all 72 counties, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

There's Democrats everywhere.

And I would really encourage folks to first reach out to their county party.

And if you're having difficulty reaching them, some people are on different wavelengths when it comes to responsiveness through different means.

You can also reach out to your congressional district chair.

We also have those in every single congressional district in the state.

And they can help provide a little nudge in case that email inbox wasn't checked recently or something like that.

You can also get involved with the neighborhood team.

to mobilize dot us forward slash with stems W. I. S. D. M. S. You can find organizing events near you.

We have over 270 neighborhood teams across the state in addition to our county parties that are organized locally to help take action and communicate on the issues that voters care about.

You know, I will just answer the editorial note as well.

It can feel lonely.

being in a red area.

You can feel totally surrounded.

Heck, even in places that are purple, it sometimes feels like Republicans are on surround sound.

You know, it's on social media.

We have this sort of right-wing media ecosystem that we talked about earlier.

You know, there's signs, there's hats.

You know, it feels like you're outnumbered.

Oftentimes, I think that there are more Democrats than folks may realize around them.

If a county is voting 70% Republican, that still means 30% of that is Democratic, right?

And trying to build community, reaching out to your neighbors.

making that dot a little bit brighter blue is incredibly important work.

And I think that sometimes I have this own experience where I live outside of Reedsburg, Wisconsin, township of Excelsior to be specific.

And we put out a Susan Crawford yard sign recently in the Supreme Court election.

And one of our neighbors stopped my wife as she was walking our dogs and said, hey.

It's brave of you to do that.

Just so you know I'm a Democrat and so is that person three doors before we knew it we had like kind of power map the neighborhood And I think that uh, you know

reaching out to folks and just like we did after that of having conversations and trying to plug them in and get them involved and put the sign out the next time can help show people that Democrats are everywhere and you have nothing to be afraid of because you are on the right side of history fighting for people.

That's so important though Devin that that folks realize that

You are not completely alone.

It might feel that way, but there are quiet Democrats.

I think there are quieter Democrats than there are Republicans in some of these 72 counties.

And as you said, a good starting point, just look for the Democratic Party of your county.

Start there, start there, or find some other group.

When I drive around, I was running for groceries yesterday, and there are little groups I see in Wauwatosa that do not protect democracy.

You know, it's just little groups like that.

Maybe that's something that that would interest you.

So you don't feel so hopeless and helpless.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And, you know, while you're on mobilize, there's not just events from the Democratic Party available there.

There are events from groups of all sorts and stripes.

get involved.

And part of the 72 County strategy that I talked about is also figuring out ways that we can partner with those groups to talk about the issues that people care most about and reach out to folks ahead of the upcoming election.

And I think that there are so many people that are getting involved.

During the chair campaign, we were doing a lot of county party visits, congressional district committee visits.

And at almost every single county party without fail, there would be someone that walked into the door, had never been involved before, and asked how they could sign up to be a member.

I was in Washera County in, I believe, April.

And I have that exact experience, which, you know, is a county that historically has been quite red, very rural.

And there in Wild Rose, they have an office year round right on the main drag and having that presence so that folks knew when it was, when they finally had enough, when they were fed up and ready to do something, they knew exactly where to go.

That's the ticket.

And we want to make sure that county parties have the infrastructure and the ability to do that year round statewide.

The mobilized dot US West Dems will be in the show notes.

So if you want to check that out, folks, you can go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

Look for Matt and Aaron there and you can find that link in the show notes.

Also, I just really quick before we get out of here, I just want to share a story.

We were up in, we did a tour this past week, or two weeks ago.

Two weeks ago.

Times of construct.

And we were in Hayward and a gentleman who, by all accounts, we would always assume look like a guy who didn't agree with anything we said, period.

Just didn't look like it at all.

And he came up to us.

said, my name is Steve, I'm a big fan, gave us a small thumbs up because you're doing a good job.

And then he walked away.

And I think that's important for us to know that to what we're doing in civic media, that he doesn't feel alone and he hopefully has friends he can talk to you and share and build that energy that you're talking about moving.

I don't even want to say, I mean, I'm sure you want to say

more left but like to the right side of history, to a better, fairer Wisconsin for all people.

And I just, I will never forget Steve from Hayward for the rest of my life.

It was a wonderful thing to see.

Devon Remaker is the new chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.

If you would like to get involved, as Greg said, we will include all the links in our show notes.

All you have to do is go to civicmedia.us.

Take heart, you are not alone, right Devon?

Absolutely.

We are going to build community.

We are going to win back the trust of voters and we're going to win big in 2026.

Thank you all.

And I think as is the work that you've done to help build that community, especially for folks that may not have that many folks around them, physically being able to sort of hear from folks around the states, different perspectives, different issues.

It really, it really helps.

And I think that is what folks need right now is a little bit of hope and I am confident we can make big change in 2026.

Devin Remaker, the chair of Wisconsin Democrats, thank you so very, very much for your time.

We'd love to have you back on when you're available.

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We'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the extra padding edition.

I would encourage you to stick around for that.

On Friday, well actually this is the time of the show that we call Audio Sorbet.

You know, just kind of lighten things up.

Audio store bay we clean your ears with fun

We need an open for that we clean your ears with fun Yes, where we just try to get away from the news a little bit.

We talk about a lot of news because it's important It's not like we don't appreciate that things are well

always on fire

always on fire frequently on fire We know that but I still also we believe that it is important to laugh

Yes.

And just take a breath and get away from it for a little bit.

So that's why we do audio sorbet to wrap up the last half an hour of the show.

And on Friday, we were talking about my adventure in parking lots.

Last week, all the hosts across civic media met in Madison for our annual meeting.

And after our meeting was over, there's a parking ramp attached to our building, to our office there in Madison.

And I wandered around for 40 minutes because I could not find my car.

Yeah.

And remember Wednesday, it was super hot, super, super hot.

And when it's super hot inside a parking garage that's concrete,

that's just

radiating heat.

It was

so hot in there.

And I was drenched.

I'm just drenched.

And finally, right before I texted you, I thought, I'm just going to sit down here and melt into a puddle and cry.

And I'll just be here forever.

I'll be here alone forever.

Ultimately, obviously, I did find my car.

Update, folks.

She found

her car and she's

here today.

Well, we were taking your calls about similar situations.

Other folks have done this.

Yeah.

Lost in a parking lot.

Lost, can't find your car at a...

Concert, had a great one from Alpine Valley.

Oh

my God, just

wondering for several days.

Alpine, if you can't find your car at Alpine, Alpine now just owns your car.

Pretty

much.

It's just,

you're just gonna look for it on a used car lot somewhere and that's where it's gonna show up.

I'm gonna say, I'm really surprised there just isn't like a secret, like, hey, come to the, this is the secret dumpground for Alpine

cars.

But we got this right after we got off the air on Friday, and it made me laugh so hard.

It's like we need to include this.

So we have a little follow-up from Friday's Audio Sorbet.

Here we go.

I'm a trucker.

I was parked at a service plaza in Ohio.

The highway was closed due to a blizzard.

I went inside for some food.

When I came back out to my truck,

The darn key wouldn't work.

Darn it.

Darn it.

After several tries and much, much frustration, the window opens, a guy leans out and says, try the truck in front of this one.

It was the wrong truck.

It was the same company, truck, same model and color of truck.

the wrong truck.

So they're standing in front of this truck with the key fob going click, click, click, click.

And it's not opening and not opening.

And finally, the guy in the truck opens the window and says, yeah, you're trying to open the wrong car.

You know what

I enjoy about

that story?

Besides the Jane McNair copyrighted laughter right there.

Trademark is the fact that the guy in the truck just sat there and let it happen for

a while.

For so long.

He was just like, who's this guy?

What's he doing?

I'm just going to let it go for a little

bit.

Let's see

how long this lasts.

And then finally he just says to himself, okay, this is embarrassing.

Hey, hey,

hey, hey.

I'm going to help you out.

Now that, okay.

So I had said last week that I had, I've never really lost my car.

I don't know.

I don't, there's no stories that, that stand out.

There are times where I thought I parked in a certain spot and, and